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1/4 Mile TRACK TEST! - How FAST is the NEW 27WON KURO (FK8 Hybrid Turbo)? // 10th Gen Honda Accord
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2023
- DRAG RACING at the 1/4 mile track with our NEW FK8 Hybrid Turbo, the 27WON KURO! We're at Bandimere Speedway in Morrison, Colorado to test how fast our 10th Gen Honda Accord 2.0 project car is now that we've installed the BIG Turbo, the 27WON Kuro. How much quicker, and faster does this new FK8 hybrid turbo make our 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 project car compared to the Phearable Stage 3, Phearable Stage 4, and the KTuner Stage 2 ECU tunes? We're on an eTune from Derek Robinson (DROB) of Innovative Motorworks (IMW) we test our 1/4 mile acceleration times - DRAG RACING agains some nicely modified street cars! In addition to the 27WON Kuro (very similar spec as the MHI Stage 2 turbo) we have our other modifications that include performance mods such as the KTUNER, PRL HVI (air intake), Mishimoto Intercooler, PRL HV Downpipe (PRL Catted Downpipe), PRL FK8 Titanium Air Tnlet, Michelin Pilot Sport 4S (summer performance tires) and Eibach lowering springs. The KURO TURBO adds a HUGE increase in horsepower and torque compared to the Honda Accord OEM turbo, coupled with cool temperatures, and sticky summer only high-performance Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires in a wider 265 footprint, we find out how much faster our 1/4 mile drag times have improved!?! Is the 27WON Kuro Turbo for the 10th Gen Honda Accord (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022) the best street hybrid turbo for the Honda Accord?
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Hey Chad good video! Just a few tips, the first time i went to the track on street tires as well with the Accord i had the psi at 22! And just recalibrate the tpms so that car doesn't cut power. I was able to cut a 1.93 60 ft and 11.54 1/4 mile @ 125mph on about 470 ish whp. Keep the videos coming🔥
That’s some nice times! What kind and size tires were you running?
@@TheLemonFactor federal RS-RR 265/35/19
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Also you should update your wastegate… if you have a bigger turbo the original wastegate is not the best because of the high psi
I ran across your channel recently looking into the Accord as my next car. It's a very well made channel. Keep up the awesome work.
I appreciate that, Brian! Thank you 👍. Have you purchased your Honda Accord?
@@TheLemonFactor hey man i jus got a new honda accord special edition it is a cvt but i dont know anything about performance upgrades but i do know cvts cant handle ad much as the other transmission could you possibly make a video about that or point me in the direction
Congratulations on your new Accord 👍. I haven’t looked into the CVT specifically, but have heard enough that it would discourage me from adding any additional power to the platform 🤷♂️
@@TheLemonFactor good thing its my daily 🥲😓😂🤣
I have learned a lot from this guy. I would definitely start from the beginning. Good luck on your mods
Thank you for yet another Informative video, keep them coming !
My pleasure! Thank you for your support 😁👍
I have another suggestion: If you are running Ktuner, pull your logs from the worst run. Export to CSV, and look at your TPS as compared to your TPS.CMD and see what the delta is. Of course you will see a delta for a fraction of a second at the launch, but if the computer is otherwise pulling throttle out you should be able to see that during the run. I am seeing an unrequested (by driver) throttle closure of 50%+ for around 0.3 seconds at gear change, plus unrequested throttle closure that I suspect is traction control still 'meddling in the affairs' of my two liter dragon.
Good feedback - one of the first things I did when I got back was to analyze the data logs 😁👍
Chad, I would love to see this setup drag in dry 90 degree+ weather at low altitude. Would be a beastly performance from a 10th accord! Hope you’re able to resolve the warnings, an LSD like people were mentioning for the Odyssey would be super interesting. I’d love to see slicks like you were mentioning too!
Me too 😉😁
This is really frustrating and I can imagine it's even more frustrating for you. You're the most informative 10th gen Accord content creator right now, and with the amount of mods you have it feels like you deserve to be making much better numbers. I didn't know that elevation could effect a car that much until I began watching your videos. I annoys me to think I could drop over $3000 into my Accord and not be getting under 13 seconds.... This has me wanting to check what my elevation is now.
Think of it this way… I lost ~20% of my power being at the elevation I’m at when compared to sea-level (all else being equal). But I still love Colorado 😉
Amazing camera work!
I had a helpful hand 😉
Thank you Chad 😅for your hard work. 😊💪🏽
Thank you, Germ 🙏🏻
Thanks for everything Chad.
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The waste gate problem could be from a larger turbo and more boost and the actuator can’t handle it. Also for the power you are putting down on the dyno, your times should be much better so I feel there’s something else going on. Maybe boost is being cut or timing pulled?
I just need to adjust the actuator nut, as the logs show it was only a little out of spec. We’ll get the logs to Derek and see what he says.
Man keep them coming. I make the wife turn off the tv with every video alert i get.
😂. I told my wife and she rolled her eyes 😉
Hey chad, I know you said starting in 2nd gear and have VSA off is for the best performance. But from my personal experience I think just simply leaving the car in Drive , keep VSA on and rev to 2000rpm gets better performance only because You don’t spin as much. I feel like starting in 2nd may or may not have more power but you spin a lot more which causes your 60 foot time to be slower and it’s harder for you to hook on. However , I don’t know what it’s like your car because your car is much more power than mine. I’m still 100% stock.
I’ve never had success with VSA in - it’s always cut throttle immediately upon any tire spin. Less RPMs may help, which is what I was trying on the second run. I wish I had more time to further test with more runs, but I’ll be back to figure out what works best with this setup 👍
I agree- try a lower RPM launch. Or look at tire rack and look at the Hoosier D.O.T. Drag Radial 2. Also, I could be wrong but in the first two seconds of the run it sounds like the ECM is pulling power. Listen to that bog at 2:22 to 2:24.
im thinking the torque mounts would help, and slicks but i like to see how the accord performs on normal sport tires too. ive seen an LSD option for the 10 speed at traction concepts. It states its for the 2018+ odyssey, but they all use the same 10speed i think. I think youd be the first accord to do an LSD conversion if you want to and its compatible
I’m sure slicks would… but maybe we’ll see how the torque mounts fair first 🤔
Someone is already working to get the lsd. For the 10 speed accord.
@@ClineRacing814 i know you have the 6speed, but have you heard of anything about improving the 10speed trans?
@Andy - looking forward to seeing what comes of it 👍
@@latens9479 yes there are a few guys working on stuff. The lsd for the auto transmission is being worked out right now. Making sure it will handle 10 second 1/4 mile passes.
The pain...... Somebody needs to make a locker. Great video keep them coming.
Thank you 👍
Ive cut 1.75 60ft in my accord stock suspension on dr2
Couple things chad the code could most likely be caused by the waste gate actuator out of position which isn’t a big thing to worry about just adjust it manually. Another thing is I think it would be better to laugh at 2k rpm and also I’m not sure if you did a burn out but that would be better for the tires to warm them up right before the run
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Noticed at end of video you don’t have heat shield or turbo blankets, think that might be causing any issues? Great video hope you get it figured out.
We’ll figure it out - it’s half the fun 😁
Chad's testosterone kicking in 😂. Keep your heap up:) You always have the Supra:)
💪 😉. We’ll get that Supra out to the track next 👍
Thank you for the informative content Chad, I have a '22 2.0 sport and curious of how the seat of the pants feel has been throughout the progression of tuning your X gen. At what level/stage do you think is the best bang for buck performance wise, while also not having reliability be a concern?
If I were to try to extract the most gains for the least money, I’d go with the Phearable Stage 3 and an upgraded Intercooler 👍. If I had a bit more to spend I’d add Phearable Stage 4 / PRL Flex Fuel kit 😁
Best bang for your buck is the ktuner 1.2 and pherable stage 3. Got it all from phearable and use my phone instead of the ugly v2 screen. That's what I run on my my car. And flex fuel is a good upgrade from there but netting only 30 more hp for another 1k just doesn't seem worth it to me. I'd do that only if you plan on upgrading the turbo because it would let you take more advantage of the new turbo. Just my 2c
4:04 i heart just fell when i saw those writings popped up in that left odometer section 💔
Not something that you want to see when ripping down the track.
@@TheLemonFactor exactly
Bummer that you had the wastegate problem, hopefully we will get to see a lot more trap speed once you get that calibrated
Best so far with my FL5 turbo is a 2.1 60ft and 12.6@115
Nice numbers 👍
should be in the low 12's or high 11s?
Chad maybe get your tuner to run 12 AFR at WOT
i really think you need to look into some nice coilovers, the proper ride height and camber according to the accord suspension geometry i really believe will decrease the 1/4 time by .5-1.0sec (maybe im being over zealous) but its worth looking into
I think you’re being very overzealous 🤨
I know its counter intuitive but should have tried to run with traction control on. Ive made my best stock runs with traction control on. With sport tires 18x9.5 rsr pro.
I’ve never had luck with VSC on - it’s always cut throttle with the first signs of slippage.
I was just thinking to get all the data that you xan about launching the car from. Like go through all the different permutations of launching: traction on and just roll off, traction on brake boost 3k, 1st gear, 2nd gear etc...
Also those K.con seems alarming. I'm assuming you ran with flex fuel during this run. Perhaps sort this out first.
Bring the tires down to 21-22 psi. That’s what I run. I have ktuner stage 2, downpipe, front pipe, prl intake, intercooler and I have run 13.4 @ 103
The plan was to gradually reduce the tire pressure to find the sweet spot. Unfortunately, it got busy real quick and my K.con values were going up! I’ll get back out there soon 👍
Couple of thoughts Chad. Are you running a top or bottom motor mount? I have the 6 speed 2.0T mount on the top and a Hasport for the bottom. I went back to the stock bottom because the mild vibrations at idle annoyed me. It can be changed out in about 5 minutes. I cut a notch in the plastic undercover. I think you need the top one for sure. I run Phearable Stage 3 and experience low gear wheel spin. K Tuner Stage 2 w/ advanced VSA limited the spin by pulling a little timing. I know you are using a custom tune, so hear are my thoughts. I'd lower timing/limit boost in the lower gears until you can put the power to the ground. Can the Advanced VSA be utilized on your current tune? Phearable doesn't like advanced VSA. They feel it pulls timing too quick, but returns it too slowly. Another option would be to play with the TQ management parameters at the point where the tires are spinning. I bet the car is a beast on the street, but the track is a different animal. Drag radials, stiffer mount/mounts are probably necessary for maximum performance! I have a Hasport lower mount you can borrow to test if ya want! Im not using it right now!
I don’t like motor mounts on a daily car, as I’m not fond of the vibration and noise. However, as so many have been pushing for it, I’ll be testing them out. 😉. Easily removed if they don’t work out 🤷♂️
@@TheLemonFactor You won't experience any vibrations from the Honda 6 speed mount. The Hasport lower vibrations at idle were a bit much. Once you start moving, they fade away. Everyone said the mount would settle in, but not enough for me. If I ever go our 1/8 mile track, I'll pop it in! I honestly think DRs or slicks is the only way to put all the power down w/o torque management tuning or boost by gear.
I wouldn't call that a fail, trap speeds are great! The code should be a easy adjust-out. Not sure why k-con is so high.. hoping drob can figure that out.. may be even more hp potential by adding fuel. Shouldn't have to add any e85 as the custom tune should have afr on point without it. 🤷♂️ great video tho! Love it! I just ordered the prv hv2.. too bad they dont add any hp.. i need sound bad tho! Just too quiet
We’ll work through these issues 👍
Seems like this Accord is begging for a 6-speed manual...with an LSD. Pretty sure you should be able to swap in an Accord 2.0 Sport/Type-R hybrid setup in there.
Have you reached out to traction concepts? I think they make an LSD conversion for the 10 speed
Thanks for the tip 👍
Hey Chad, Are you on 91 correct?!? I’m on 93 and have my k.con went crazy as well, but I was heat soaked as it is hot over here, I think some ethanol will fix the problem, traction is just horrible for us, I am on upgraded engine mounts and that definitely helps, ethanol helped my car out so much, and I don’t even have a flex fuel kit yet, just a gallon of it mixed with 93 did my trick, did many multiple runs with the k.con being 0.52 at the max.
Throwing ethanol into the mix I’m sure will help, but as this is a custom tune, it shouldn’t be necessary 😕
Sad that Bandimere is closing at the end of the season. Good weather ahead. (^人^)
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Hopefully we’ll get a replacement track 🤷♂️
What did you do to solve your P003A error code?
I needed to adjust the wastegate actuator as it was every so slightly out of spec.
@@TheLemonFactor Thanks. Is the specification measurable? and by how much length? Should it measure as an accord or as a type R? Does the waste-gate actuator need to be changed as well to accommodate the extra horsepower?
Impressive trap speeds!
I was hoping for 114-117 🤷♂️
You need to drop your psi to 20
30 psi is way too high
The plan was to gradually drop the tire pressure, but it got busy, and my K.con values were increasing, so I called it quits for the day. We’ll revisit it next time.
6:36 still very impressed on how the Honda quickness over the camaro on take off 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾
I definitely had a quicker reaction time, but he reeled me in and took me in the end.
@@TheLemonFactor cheated. he had Nos in his trunk (just kiddin) I'm sure his vehicle had a few gizmo's in there as well. but man, your Honda still amaze me with no piston enhancements and mostly only turbo and that cooling thing in the front got your car up to so much more power
It’s certainly a sleeper 😁
@@TheLemonFactor o man is it 😁 🚗 💨 💨 💨
Time to install a lsd setup wider tires
Unfortunately there are no LSDs currently available for the 10-speed 🤷♂️. I think a semi-drag tire is probably needed. 🤔
Hi Chad, I need some new tires but don’t want to break the bank. Was looking at Goodyear assurance maxlife for the 2.0T. My car is stock, I don’t drive like a maniac, mostly city driving with maybe a little fun from a traffic light. Would I be making a big mistake by going with those tires? Obviously there are performance tires that give better traction but I just want something somewhat similar to stock tires or close enough.
Switch to continental dws06
If not, Michelin pilot sport 4 or 4s
@@padapaypofx3039 yeah those are good tires but a bit pricey
@John - are you looking for a good all-season tire, with decent tread life, in stock size?
@@TheLemonFactor yessir. Hoping to not spend a ton but want something safe and comparable to stock
I’m partial to Michelin and Continental as I’ve always had good success with their tires 👍. For what’s available for my tire size OEM footprint - the Michelin Sport All Season 4, Continental DWS 06 Plus, and Michelin CrossClimate 2 look good. I’ll probably try the Crossclimate2 on our Highlander as it will need new tires soon.
Those values were going up pretty quick! That’s a yikes 😱
Surprised me too ☹️
How good are those transmissions with the extra power !!!!
🤷♂️. I guess we’re going to find out with enough time 😉
@@TheLemonFactor I just love the 10AT,it shift so smoooooth.
My understanding is it's the same transmission as the TLX type S which puts out 355hp. Have heard however that 400lbft of torque is where clutches start to slip tho.
@@brrepublic8174 Type-S 10AT has upgraded internals.
No shame trap speed almost as high as those C8 vettes now
I didn’t think about that 🤔. I like the optimism 😁👍
This accord is ridiculously fast on paper and should be ridiculously fast from a roll race. It’s suppose to produce 400 whp. Why is the trap speed so low? I understand the time but that’s mostly because it’s FWD but the trap speed should be much higher at least 115-120mph when making 400whp???
This is addressed in the video. 🫤
Oh no I dont like 6,000 feet above sea level make horsepower lost ! why not find about 425 feet above sea level in Austin, Tx area good spot love horsepower get better breath .
We work with what we have 🤷♂️
Car prob needs better cooling also.
Chad,,,I think that's the tune even if your 0-60 is not good because of the traction and after that it should go like a bullet with that 400+ horsepower,,,,you should go with another reprogramming specialist is my point of view
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Considering his tuner has tuned pretty much all the fast accords, his best next move would be to connect with his tuner with a catalog to find out what’s wrong
Just more proof it’s pointless, adding a lot of horsepower, to a fwd daily driver. You could run 500whp in that and you won’t get any more usable power than 300 would give
Speak for yourself 😂
I would beg to differ just need a proper setup.
Did you ever figure out what happened with all the lights kicking on?
It’s from a code P003A which is what you get if you’re wastegate actuator is out of spec. I worked on realigning it today… we’ll see what happens 🤷♂️