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The c4 doesn’t make more power than a v6 accord nice try. The old j35 engine was more powerful and with vcm gets better mpg than the new 4 cylinder on the highway I get 39-40 mpg in my v6 Accord
And here I thought I was going around with just a de-tuned Type R motor. Way to kill the dream lol. Good info, glad I know of the differences between the two motors. I really do like the c4 engine in the Accord. You can actually tell it has more power to give than they tuned it with.
@@traktion9 C1 turbo bolts in. Just need a custom tune to take advantage of it. The stage 2 Ktuner map only targets about 21 psi and that’s not necessarily excessive for this turbo size, I ran higher boost than that in my 1.6T Elantra sport (23 psi) for 66k hard miles and it was still good to go when the car was totalled. 21 psi is nothin and the car runs well with that OTS map
4:14 The C4 fuel system has a higher capacity and more power potential, than on the C1. Yes, that means, and has resulted in, higher power limit on the Accord with a CTR turbo installed on it than a CTR with the factory CTR turbo. Pretty crazy, right? Other than that fact, the rest of the info on the fuel system, you got pretty much correct.
@@isaaca.7732 If you want more than 370whp, then yes. The CTR maxxes out at 360whp, and the Accord at 370whp. If you want more, Hondata has a fuel system upgrade for $4000.... you can easily buy the doppleganger to the CTR, which came out 10years prior to the fk8 CTR for that amount, and mod it for much less than a CTR/Accord, and the limit on it's fuel system is 400whp. Same weight, same hp stock with an intake, as a CTR. It's the 07-09 Mazdaspeed3. Very reliable, easy to make, hp gains. About $4k for the car, about $4k in mods, gets you 400whp. Add in some exterior enhancements for about $2k and you easily have a built not bought, aggressive looking, performance 4-door hatch for cheap. I've owned, modded, and tuned all 3 cars, and the Mazdaspeed3 is an absolute bargain up to 400whp! After that, all 3 cars get expensive to mod further, and better to move on to another platform/car.
“Power potential” even though it was literally made for fuel economy. Get outa here. The c1 is better. This is why even Ariel went with the c1. They could’ve chosen any Honda engine but decided to go with the c1 for a reason.
Also, the pistons itself are different in the c1 to be able to handle more boost. The c4 has flat tops lol. Common ones. Not good for handling high boost.
@quicktoreason2722 The RSX-S k20a2 can handle more power with pistons that were never made to handle boost (up to 600whp daily, or 720whp all out). The pistons are better because they were made for boost? Really? How much better? Are they forged? No! They can't handle what a k20a2 can. The k20a out of the ITR actually handles less than a k20a2 because it is 0.5 more compression. Shape design of the piston is just one component of many. In other motors, like the Mazdaspeed3, the piston shape design was also changed, but for the 2nd gen. It was supposed to handle more abuse, but the results were the same. It's not one component that matters, like the piston shape, but overall, what can it handle. The k20C4 and K20C1 can handle the same. My theory is that the shape design is only there to mitigate the effects of carbon buildup or carbon buildup itself... and then, it doesn't make a difference because carbon buildup will always still occur, and you still need to run a bottle of cleaner through the induction tract every 3k miles anyway. When they designed the engine, and pistons in particular, they can't predict the carbon buildup and how to mitigate it, they can only theorize, and then wait for the engines to blowup once on the market. Hence why it's taken decades to perfect the mitigation of carbon buildup, and they are making improvements, but carbon buildup is far from being mitigated entirely, and having to run cleaner through a direct injection engine will always be needed... so far... The promise was that direct injection ran cleaner and safer for the environment, but instead, what has been happening is that instead of burning all byproducts, they are being deposited and then having buildup. Piston shape design is not a major difference in handling boost, but rather for mitigating carbon buildup and its effects... and yes, I am an engineer, and I design these things for a living.
@quicktoreason2722 The reason Ariel Atom chose the C1 over the C4 is because Honda sells the C1 to anyone, not the C4. In other words, it's the same thing in Ariel Atoms' perspective. They just needed a factory turbo'ed Honda motor to try out... and guess what? They offer it with less hp than the turbocharged NA motor they offer, the k24Z7 (out of a Civic Si), 321bhp vs 365bhp. The Ariel atom also used plenty of other non-turbo kseries motors, which they then added a turbocharger or supercharger to, including the K24z7 (NA or turbocharged), K20z4 (NA or supercharged), and some say the K20A was used, although who knows what flavor of K20A, could have been any one of them (K20A2, K20A3, or K20A). In JDM Honda motors, the last digit to differentiate motors is dropped, and you nevet know till you remove the valvecover and inspect it.
Perhaps, with the a C1 crate motor $7k BNIB is sure has to be tempting to go the turn-key route if you can swing the cost. By the time you pay a machine shop to totally go through a C4 you might end up spending most of what a new C1 would cost.
When I flashed my Civic SI with the l15 I just ran 4 extra lbs of boost so it was not Overkill but just enough to help it out a little bit. The little reflash with that little bit of extra boost made a huge difference tho👍👍
you forgot the balance shafts in the engine oil pan to reduce secondary vibration. they dont have them in the type R engine because it frees up some power. having some vibrations are a worthy trade off i guess. the 2.0t accord is more of a quick family car... family car being first so you would want to reduce vibrations as much as possible.
A lot of people like Fahrenheit Motorsports according to Joel my buddy and me are running type are turbos with the new PRL inlet pipe and running a cave tun or hondata and it running e85 and drilling out the fuel rail our cars are running anywhere from 12:11 cute 13 on stock truck
Reminds me of comparing the GTI vs Golf R engine, Almost the same and can be the same if you wanted to go that route pretty easily.. All in all both are great im sure! Enjoyed the video.
@@seanutrera3613 no they come that way straight from Honda since 2016. You can still buy a brand new Civic 2.0 that is port injected. The K20C2 was never direct injection. There are a couple of sources that mistakenly list them as direct injection so be careful of that.
Can you please cover the K20c2 it’s the last of its kind being NA given how civics have moved on to the 1.5T and 2.0T. It would be interesting to see the similarities between the C1 and what engines it is based on
The K20c2 is the same K20C1/3/4 without the steel connecting rods from the type R and the turbo kit. and ofc some cooling mods. If you think about it the k20c4 is the same k20c2 with minors changes for boost.
@@dannyoconer6645 makes sense, i see potential in the engine, lots of 1.5t owners say otherwise.. anyhow 4piston is makes billet core cams and brian crower is offering stage 2 option
Literally the world's smallest differences. If they were difference that drastically they both wouldn't be classified as a k20c. Literally same block and head. Just difference in turbos , vacuum and tunes. Screw off
would adding a the K20c1 turbo on to the K20c4 engine be worth it? or would i have to upgrade all the other internals such as the fuel system and camshaft to safely run the turbo?
Great video!! But I disagree valve lift does matter on turbo charged engines as well as naturally aspirated engines if you gained power with more lift NA you will also gain power with more cam lift boosted if the K20C cylinder head flow numbers benefit from more valve lift !! And I know lift is just one of many aspects of camshaft design that affects power but still important and translates whether your boosted or not I’m not a Honda engineer tho just saying lol
Hey, you should do a video on the base K20C, the non turbo one. Cause it's looking like these will be the future of Honda swaps, not the L15B like everyone wants us to believe. L15B might be an okay engine but it'll never be as good as a K20A swap for the price. That said, I'd like to know more about the NA K20C and see where it lands in this whole ordeal of new K series.
In other words just like in F1 or actually any racing category, it is the little things added together that makes alot of difference. Having said that the differences are revealed conditionally, as in only in extremes or accumulated capitalisation of the advantage. In a school, bread or normal traffic run, there may not be much if any real world gains. It is more in the mind, status, psychological satisfaction and hard core use it becomes evident.
My buddy just bought the 2020 2.0 Accord Sport & he's going to put ktuner I wonder how much boost he should run to where it will be efficient & faster but not superheated the boost? I have the 19 SI & I only run 19 PSI at the most because I don't like running it all the way at the max. Does hella good. 🚗💨 is quick as shit for only having exhaust drop in K&N air filter + ktuner
@DRAJ please do a video about K24A2 vs K24A4, was planning to get the cheaper K24A4 and wanted to squeeze it out. Is it possible or even achievable? Can it outrun the stock k24a2 or even pass it? What are the parts that are different? What are the parts need to change that would make k24a4 a great k24a2 competitor? N/A or Turbocharged applications? Thank you and sorry for my questions😅
i would really like to know this as well, building a k24 seems to be the best option, no? cheaper to build than k20 and more horses, i might have this all wrong
3:02 The Vacuum pump was added to increase reliability of the K20C1 for the notorious direct injection engine carbon build up. No port injection, and only direct injection with carbon buildup, means BOOM!... unless you keep the carbon build up properly in check. Which means both the C1 and C4 need maintenance in regards to it, but the C1 is more likely to last a bit longer without the maintenance. Key word is, more likely. The carbon build up hurts emissions, increases blow by, hurts power, damages the turbo, causes detonation and misfire, and blows up the engine. All direct injections have this problem. The L15 has had serious problems with this. Manufacturers have tried various methods to avoid the issue, but only Toyota does it correctly by always incorporating both direct injection with port injection. Enjoy.
Can you do a video on the K20C2 engine? Can't find any detailed videos on it. I get that it's the Economy Engine but i wanted to know more about how it succeeds the previous N/A Engines. Also the K20C2 has i-VTEC but I'm not sure if it's VTC + VTEC or VTC + VTEC-E. I'm guessing it's the VTEC-E combo.
open deck, yes but less Problems then ecoboost... but there are Problems with the Gasket when pushing the max RPM much hiher then OEM... as i heard from some Tuner..
So if you add PRL down/front pipe, intercooler, K-Tuner, intake, exhaust, FlexFuel, and Type-R turbo to the K20C4 motor, will it fail or blow up more quickly than just leaving it stock?
No. Joel felix is running all of that with all of that + E85 flex and meth injection. It took quite a few runs for months before the R turbo finally failed but his K20c4 is still going strong. He has removed the meth injection until the PLR P600 drops because the R turbo is shot and the P600 is way stronger and should survive meth
@@user117 so he blew his Type-R turbo up after spending all that money? If you don't drive the shit out of your car and race it all the time, would it last longer and don't use meth?
@@Robbie2Fly yes. Technically even just racing it with all the bolt ons and tunes it probably would be just fine. The type R turbo just wasn't meant to handle meth.
Duh, of course you’re gonna wear out the engine and eventually blow up sooner. You’re pushing more power than the intended design and just like the video said, C4 is using weaker cams and pistons.
Cams are the same size, i blew my original k20c4 and wanted to swap to the c1 cams so i went to honda the measure the difference and even their techs said theres nothing different between them
How did u blow it? Accord? Tuning? Im sorry but im asking cuz i have a accord 2.0 and im going towards tuning it and want to get as much information as i can
I want to swap a c1 from ctr fl5 to 11 gen sport hatchback can doy you guys know of someone doing this o any guide online on what will it take to get done other than money
I know this is an older video. What's your opinion on this k20c4 vs like a k20 that people love to swap of like an 06-11 Si. Type R engines are always going to be better at the end of the day, makes sense of course. But getting one. That's always been the thing that isn't realistic. Or just not in a normal budget lol
K20C2 is going to become the most desirable engine when all the turbo fails and k24 becomes a rarity. It'll be a lightweight champ that'll take an endless amount of pounding.
Hey im picking up a 21 tsx. 2.0t awd. 10 speed. Im in canada so thought the awd wld be ok. Kinda sucks tho as it is 4000 pnds. I am replacing my 19 ilx dual clutch. Any thoughts wld be appreciated.
but from talking to people online the main things holding the K20 key back is fueling the fuel pump in the fuel rail I'm confident there be running 11 if the aftermarket company or should I say when they come out with a different fuel pump and injectors would make a huge difference to the k20c / ,4. My friends for instant. Racist 392 E30 BMW turbocharged MR2 stock mustang GT's in stock SS Camaros and beat them all roll racing or dig racing the key is to run 18 inch rims with a fatter sidewall and definitely run that sickspeed aluminum motor mount or that has pot motor mount
DDD well I’m still working 40-50 hours per week at my normal job (just from home now). One video takes around 5-7 hours to make (research, write, edit, release).
Yeah if you’ve driven both you can tell there’s a difference. I work at a Honda dealer. The type r reminds me more of the older vtec Hondas with some maturity. The 2.0t accords hit boost more like a vw or ford, turbo spools fast and punches hard then vtec hits then power tapers off. Type r feels like the power never ends till like the last 500rpms. Both really fun cars but I’ll stick to my jdm h22a swapped 94 Prelude Si and 2011 Civic si…. I also have a 2000 v6 accord coupe (aka mini nsx) ….
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Doesn't the C4 have counter balancers in the oil pan area and the C1 does not have them at all? I have the C4 in my Accord and I love it.
The c4 doesn’t make more power than a v6 accord nice try. The old j35 engine was more powerful and with vcm gets better mpg than the new 4 cylinder on the highway I get 39-40 mpg in my v6 Accord
Se compararmos o motor LTG 2.0 turbo do Camaro com o motor K20c4 do Accord, qual é melhor?
And here I thought I was going around with just a de-tuned Type R motor. Way to kill the dream lol. Good info, glad I know of the differences between the two motors. I really do like the c4 engine in the Accord. You can actually tell it has more power to give than they tuned it with.
Same here. Lol. But still m
The accord is still unique. Top mid size sedan. Definitely beats the TRD. Too. Proud of it.
Check out according to joel YT channel if you wanna see what the accord is capable of
I thought the same, probably get c1 numbers with tuning but as he pointed out it will heat up the turbo too much. I wonder if the turbo will fit.
@@traktion9 C1 turbo bolts in. Just need a custom tune to take advantage of it. The stage 2 Ktuner map only targets about 21 psi and that’s not necessarily excessive for this turbo size, I ran higher boost than that in my 1.6T Elantra sport (23 psi) for 66k hard miles and it was still good to go when the car was totalled. 21 psi is nothin and the car runs well with that OTS map
4:14 The C4 fuel system has a higher capacity and more power potential, than on the C1. Yes, that means, and has resulted in, higher power limit on the Accord with a CTR turbo installed on it than a CTR with the factory CTR turbo. Pretty crazy, right? Other than that fact, the rest of the info on the fuel system, you got pretty much correct.
@@isaaca.7732 If you want more than 370whp, then yes. The CTR maxxes out at 360whp, and the Accord at 370whp. If you want more, Hondata has a fuel system upgrade for $4000.... you can easily buy the doppleganger to the CTR, which came out 10years prior to the fk8 CTR for that amount, and mod it for much less than a CTR/Accord, and the limit on it's fuel system is 400whp. Same weight, same hp stock with an intake, as a CTR. It's the 07-09 Mazdaspeed3. Very reliable, easy to make, hp gains. About $4k for the car, about $4k in mods, gets you 400whp. Add in some exterior enhancements for about $2k and you easily have a built not bought, aggressive looking, performance 4-door hatch for cheap. I've owned, modded, and tuned all 3 cars, and the Mazdaspeed3 is an absolute bargain up to 400whp! After that, all 3 cars get expensive to mod further, and better to move on to another platform/car.
“Power potential” even though it was literally made for fuel economy. Get outa here. The c1 is better. This is why even Ariel went with the c1. They could’ve chosen any Honda engine but decided to go with the c1 for a reason.
Also, the pistons itself are different in the c1 to be able to handle more boost. The c4 has flat tops lol. Common ones. Not good for handling high boost.
@quicktoreason2722 The RSX-S k20a2 can handle more power with pistons that were never made to handle boost (up to 600whp daily, or 720whp all out). The pistons are better because they were made for boost? Really? How much better? Are they forged? No! They can't handle what a k20a2 can. The k20a out of the ITR actually handles less than a k20a2 because it is 0.5 more compression. Shape design of the piston is just one component of many. In other motors, like the Mazdaspeed3, the piston shape design was also changed, but for the 2nd gen. It was supposed to handle more abuse, but the results were the same. It's not one component that matters, like the piston shape, but overall, what can it handle. The k20C4 and K20C1 can handle the same. My theory is that the shape design is only there to mitigate the effects of carbon buildup or carbon buildup itself... and then, it doesn't make a difference because carbon buildup will always still occur, and you still need to run a bottle of cleaner through the induction tract every 3k miles anyway. When they designed the engine, and pistons in particular, they can't predict the carbon buildup and how to mitigate it, they can only theorize, and then wait for the engines to blowup once on the market. Hence why it's taken decades to perfect the mitigation of carbon buildup, and they are making improvements, but carbon buildup is far from being mitigated entirely, and having to run cleaner through a direct injection engine will always be needed... so far... The promise was that direct injection ran cleaner and safer for the environment, but instead, what has been happening is that instead of burning all byproducts, they are being deposited and then having buildup. Piston shape design is not a major difference in handling boost, but rather for mitigating carbon buildup and its effects... and yes, I am an engineer, and I design these things for a living.
@quicktoreason2722 The reason Ariel Atom chose the C1 over the C4 is because Honda sells the C1 to anyone, not the C4. In other words, it's the same thing in Ariel Atoms' perspective. They just needed a factory turbo'ed Honda motor to try out... and guess what? They offer it with less hp than the turbocharged NA motor they offer, the k24Z7 (out of a Civic Si), 321bhp vs 365bhp. The Ariel atom also used plenty of other non-turbo kseries motors, which they then added a turbocharger or supercharger to, including the K24z7 (NA or turbocharged), K20z4 (NA or supercharged), and some say the K20A was used, although who knows what flavor of K20A, could have been any one of them (K20A2, K20A3, or K20A). In JDM Honda motors, the last digit to differentiate motors is dropped, and you nevet know till you remove the valvecover and inspect it.
With these engines being the next thing getting swapped into older Honda's, I can imagine the c4 will be used more often then the c1 due to price.
I can see the c4 being used in the new integra but as a type s
Perhaps, with the a C1 crate motor $7k BNIB is sure has to be tempting to go the turn-key route if you can swing the cost. By the time you pay a machine shop to totally go through a C4 you might end up spending most of what a new C1 would cost.
Great informative content,like always, I’ve been trying to see this for a while
K20c1 rocks, all rigth. I even imagine those diferences between K20c1 and K20c4. I loved when you xplain with graphics
Awesome info and video bro! This helps me explain when people ask me if it's the same engine.
Hey Joel! 👋 love your badass Accord !
@@shellybelly8042 thank you ♥
That's a good ass breakdown bro it's much appreciated
FYI all previous gen accord sports were N/A K24 engines. The V6 was EX-L and Touring only.
Not tru
When I flashed my Civic SI with the l15 I just ran 4 extra lbs of boost so it was not Overkill but just enough to help it out a little bit. The little reflash with that little bit of extra boost made a huge difference tho👍👍
you forgot the balance shafts in the engine oil pan to reduce secondary vibration. they dont have them in the type R engine because it frees up some power. having some vibrations are a worthy trade off i guess. the 2.0t accord is more of a quick family car... family car being first so you would want to reduce vibrations as much as possible.
he didnt say it but showed it on the screen @7:20, I took off the balance shaft belt in my old prelude but its all chains now, still possible.
Yeah. The CTR is not as smooth as the Accord engine.
That was unexpectedly good info. I’ve never seen this channel before, but good job using the right amount of depth. 👍
A lot of people like Fahrenheit Motorsports according to Joel my buddy and me are running type are turbos with the new PRL inlet pipe and running a cave tun or hondata and it running e85 and drilling out the fuel rail our cars are running anywhere from 12:11 cute 13 on stock truck
1:17 previous Honda Accord sport did not get a v6 engine, it was a k24 with around 180hp.
K series are awesome
I drive an Ep3 n/a with K20A2 and it is amazing
Reminds me of comparing the GTI vs Golf R engine, Almost the same and can be the same if you wanted to go that route pretty easily.. All in all both are great im sure! Enjoyed the video.
We are always happy to see more content from this channel 🔥🔥 great vibes everytime
Learned alot from this and it makes sense
Love my 2.0l in my 2020 Accord plenty of power for a Sedan and comfortable. Heard of ppl k tuning them without issues but it's enough for me stock.
I have a K20C2 port injected. Seems very reliable with port injection and a 6 speed manual
did you swap it to port injection?
because if that’s possible i wanna do that
@@seanutrera3613 no they come that way straight from Honda since 2016. You can still buy a brand new Civic 2.0 that is port injected. The K20C2 was never direct injection. There are a couple of sources that mistakenly list them as direct injection so be careful of that.
Great video! You look like a young version of Toni Kukoc that played on the Chicago Bulls in the 1990’s
Very through and informative video, thanks!
Please make a video about the L15 engine.. the civic FC 1.5 TC engine, that was introduced Malaysia..
No.
@@Justin-lc1xz ok
Can you please cover the K20c2 it’s the last of its kind being NA given how civics have moved on to the 1.5T and 2.0T. It would be interesting to see the similarities between the C1 and what engines it is based on
The K20c2 is the same K20C1/3/4 without the steel connecting rods from the type R and the turbo kit. and ofc some cooling mods. If you think about it the k20c4 is the same k20c2 with minors changes for boost.
@@dannyoconer6645 makes sense, i see potential in the engine, lots of 1.5t owners say otherwise.. anyhow 4piston is makes billet core cams and brian crower is offering stage 2 option
Killed it bro!
Super helpful, thanks. I will stop calling the Accord 2.0t engine a "De-tuned" Type-R engine.
So instead of modifying my accord 2.0T with bolt ons and a new turbo. I should just engine swap with a type R?
Great review Sir!
Yo, I see the rubies cubes and megaminx in the background! A man of culture I see 😎
Tell us about the L15 from the Si
Love the videos!
Exactly the same as K20C1 but smaller. Hence people call it baby type R
Dual VTC motor with only vtec on exhaust, even electric wastegate are the same
@@yahtadi5152 10th gen si gas no vtec at all just vtc, my Accord 1.5T has vtec on exhaust though, but that's about to change real soon
Well done mate. Exactly the video I'm looking for.
I hate when people say the k20c4 is "Just a detuned type r engine". No, they are different
Same here.
Or when people say Baby Type R
Cause it is.
Literally the world's smallest differences. If they were difference that drastically they both wouldn't be classified as a k20c. Literally same block and head. Just difference in turbos , vacuum and tunes. Screw off
@@jakeseidel4566it basically is 😂 he said multiple times with proven part numbers it’s 90% the same
Seriously I find it so annoying too
Are the turbo inlets the same dimensions? Can the intake manifold/inlet piping from the typeR swap onto the k20c4 without swapping the turbocharger?
Yes you can literally grab a k20c2 N/A and bolt on the C4 turbo kit
The true horsepower for the stock K20C4 is about 10HP+ more than Honda estimates on a Dyno
a stock k20c4 put out close to 260 HP and 290 TQ.They literally put out 252 at the wheels on 91 octane,many test was done.It is a very capable engine.
@@alpe6228interesting how many HP on 93 octane gas?
Awesome presentation. Thank you.
Accord valves are not sodium filled. That's the reason for the different part numbers. Honda training videos confirm this.
would adding a the K20c1 turbo on to the K20c4 engine be worth it? or would i have to upgrade all the other internals such as the fuel system and camshaft to safely run the turbo?
Many people are running the CTR turbo on the Accord. All over IG and UA-cam. Yes. It's definitely worth it.
So would it be smart to swap a c1 into an accord??
Great video!! But I disagree valve lift does matter on turbo charged engines as well as naturally aspirated engines if you gained power with more lift NA you will also gain power with more cam lift boosted if the K20C cylinder head flow numbers benefit from more valve lift !! And I know lift is just one of many aspects of camshaft design that affects power but still important and translates whether your boosted or not I’m not a Honda engineer tho just saying lol
Hey, you should do a video on the base K20C, the non turbo one. Cause it's looking like these will be the future of Honda swaps, not the L15B like everyone wants us to believe. L15B might be an okay engine but it'll never be as good as a K20A swap for the price. That said, I'd like to know more about the NA K20C and see where it lands in this whole ordeal of new K series.
In other words just like in F1 or actually any racing category, it is the little things added together that makes alot of difference.
Having said that the differences are revealed conditionally, as in only in extremes or accumulated capitalisation of the advantage.
In a school, bread or normal traffic run, there may not be much if any real world gains. It is more in the mind, status, psychological satisfaction and hard core use it becomes evident.
My buddy just bought the 2020 2.0 Accord Sport & he's going to put ktuner I wonder how much boost he should run to where it will be efficient & faster but not superheated the boost? I have the 19 SI & I only run 19 PSI at the most because I don't like running it all the way at the max. Does hella good. 🚗💨 is quick as shit for only having exhaust drop in K&N air filter + ktuner
I’m a little slow, so my 2022 Honda accord 2.0t have a k20c4?
If you haven’t gotten your answer yet. Yes, your 2022 Honda Accord 2.0t has the K20C4
Fun fact a turbo charger from a Saab 93 2005-2007 is an exact match and identical to the turbo on a C1
Love this channel
Can you please do an updated video on the differences between the k20c1 and the k20c6 found in the TLX?
Great video! Very informative.
Can you do k20c4 vs k20c6? I have 2021 TLX and want to know the difference from the Accord/fk8
Literally ! I just picked mine up last week. And been scavenging the forums and internet for what I got myself into. K20c6 Gang!
Terrific video. Very informative.
I got 220k miles on my k20c4 original timing belt pumps and alternator... it's still strong
The C4 also has counter balancers and the C1 does not.
Antifreeze seeps upward on passenger side were exhaust manifold bolts to block.
Can you do a video about the difference with k20c1 & k20c2 ??
Awesome video bro.
I'm glad Honda didn't ditch Vtec since they are now going with turbos nowadays.
Thanks for sharing, great info.
@DRAJ please do a video about K24A2 vs K24A4, was planning to get the cheaper K24A4 and wanted to squeeze it out. Is it possible or even achievable? Can it outrun the stock k24a2 or even pass it? What are the parts that are different? What are the parts need to change that would make k24a4 a great k24a2 competitor? N/A or Turbocharged applications? Thank you and sorry for my questions😅
i would really like to know this as well, building a k24 seems to be the best option, no? cheaper to build than k20 and more horses, i might have this all wrong
Thanks for the info
You forgot about the turbo k series motor out of the Acura RDX. Only the first gen models as far as I know but we now have had 3 k series motors NOT 2
Just what I was looking for, thank you. What does Honda do to combat the bad, long-term side effects of EGR?
3:02 The Vacuum pump was added to increase reliability of the K20C1 for the notorious direct injection engine carbon build up. No port injection, and only direct injection with carbon buildup, means BOOM!... unless you keep the carbon build up properly in check. Which means both the C1 and C4 need maintenance in regards to it, but the C1 is more likely to last a bit longer without the maintenance. Key word is, more likely. The carbon build up hurts emissions, increases blow by, hurts power, damages the turbo, causes detonation and misfire, and blows up the engine. All direct injections have this problem. The L15 has had serious problems with this. Manufacturers have tried various methods to avoid the issue, but only Toyota does it correctly by always incorporating both direct injection with port injection. Enjoy.
Can you do a video on the K20C2 engine?
Can't find any detailed videos on it. I get that it's the Economy Engine but i wanted to know more about how it succeeds the previous N/A Engines.
Also the K20C2 has i-VTEC but I'm not sure if it's VTC + VTEC or VTC + VTEC-E.
I'm guessing it's the VTEC-E combo.
If we compare the Camaro's LTG 2.0 turbo engine with the Accord's K20c4 engine, which is better?
Can either of these engines fit in the Civic Si with any engine mounts modifications?
Just like the:
B16A and B16B
B18C Gsr and B18C R
K20a2 and K20a
are these k20cs open deck designs for the block? if yes, are they going to have similar head gasket issues seen on the ford ecoboosts?
open deck, yes but less Problems then ecoboost... but there are Problems with the Gasket when pushing the max RPM much hiher then OEM... as i heard from some Tuner..
Don’t compare my Honda to a Ford 😂 .
Do you think the k20c4 is smaller and easier to swap in to say a 98 civic coupe HX?
Same exact size
Just an FYI...the K20C4 has balances on the crank and the k20C1 has NO balances on the crank.
The only one I care about is the K20C2 in my '22 civic hb 6-speed manual.
Good job. Now I know the difference. Thanks
So if you add PRL down/front pipe, intercooler, K-Tuner, intake, exhaust, FlexFuel, and Type-R turbo to the K20C4 motor, will it fail or blow up more quickly than just leaving it stock?
No. Joel felix is running all of that with all of that + E85 flex and meth injection. It took quite a few runs for months before the R turbo finally failed but his K20c4 is still going strong. He has removed the meth injection until the PLR P600 drops because the R turbo is shot and the P600 is way stronger and should survive meth
@@user117 so he blew his Type-R turbo up after spending all that money? If you don't drive the shit out of your car and race it all the time, would it last longer and don't use meth?
@@Robbie2Fly yes. Technically even just racing it with all the bolt ons and tunes it probably would be just fine. The type R turbo just wasn't meant to handle meth.
@@user117 meth is bad. Just say no to drugs!
Duh, of course you’re gonna wear out the engine and eventually blow up sooner. You’re pushing more power than the intended design and just like the video said, C4 is using weaker cams and pistons.
Cams are the same size, i blew my original k20c4 and wanted to swap to the c1 cams so i went to honda the measure the difference and even their techs said theres nothing different between them
How did u blow it? Accord? Tuning? Im sorry but im asking cuz i have a accord 2.0 and im going towards tuning it and want to get as much information as i can
Can you make a video of 2.0 ecoboost vs K20c1c4? 🙏🏼
I want to swap a c1 from ctr fl5 to 11 gen sport hatchback can doy you guys know of someone doing this o any guide online on what will it take to get done other than money
What about the k20c2?
You said it came in the sport and exl, I have a accord that’s neither of those with a 2.0t.
Can you DO C2 vs C4 or C1 because i started seeing people Turboing C2 i have a c2 but thinking about selling it for a C4
I got a k20C2 I wanna boost but can't seem to find anything on it
German Estrada people have boosted it just unsure how much
I know this is an older video. What's your opinion on this k20c4 vs like a k20 that people love to swap of like an 06-11 Si. Type R engines are always going to be better at the end of the day, makes sense of course. But getting one. That's always been the thing that isn't realistic. Or just not in a normal budget lol
K20C2 is going to become the most desirable engine when all the turbo fails and k24 becomes a rarity. It'll be a lightweight champ that'll take an endless amount of pounding.
Excellent video
PCV path and system is what I wanted to know
Aww I wonder if the valve head in the C4 leaks from the head too !
Hey im picking up a 21 tsx. 2.0t awd. 10 speed. Im in canada so thought the awd wld be ok. Kinda sucks tho as it is 4000 pnds. I am replacing my 19 ilx dual clutch. Any thoughts wld be appreciated.
I got mine 3 months ago and I just put a phearable stage 3 tune on it. I’m loving it
Idk about the type r but the boosters are eletronic
what about the accord hybrid??? what kind of engine is it using????
but from talking to people online the main things holding the K20 key back is fueling the fuel pump in the fuel rail I'm confident there be running 11 if the aftermarket company or should I say when they come out with a different fuel pump and injectors would make a huge difference to the k20c / ,4. My friends for instant. Racist 392 E30 BMW turbocharged MR2 stock mustang GT's in stock SS Camaros and beat them all roll racing or dig racing the key is to run 18 inch rims with a fatter sidewall and definitely run that sickspeed aluminum motor mount or that has pot motor mount
I recall the LF engine in the hybrids came off of the R series, but does it have anything in common with a K20C?
We need a k20z1 engine
Still waiting for that L15 video! C'mon it's the first non vtec si engine!
Soon :)
@@Dustrunnersauto no excuses, were not allowed outside lol
DDD well I’m still working 40-50 hours per week at my normal job (just from home now). One video takes around 5-7 hours to make (research, write, edit, release).
@@Dustrunnersauto oh damn well that's good news for you then dude. I'm just glad your making the video at all!
Yeah if you’ve driven both you can tell there’s a difference. I work at a Honda dealer. The type r reminds me more of the older vtec Hondas with some maturity. The 2.0t accords hit boost more like a vw or ford, turbo spools fast and punches hard then vtec hits then power tapers off. Type r feels like the power never ends till like the last 500rpms. Both really fun cars but I’ll stick to my jdm h22a swapped 94 Prelude Si and 2011 Civic si…. I also have a 2000 v6 accord coupe (aka mini nsx) ….
do you think is possible to tune the k20C4 for performance?
I'm just wondering, on both engines, where is the water pump? Is it driven by the timing chain, or by the external belt? Thanks
Timing chain
balance shafts are a big deal, at the end of the day both are street application and i dont get leaving it out of the C1
I would like for you to to do a video on the l15b
compare between the 1.5 and the 2.0 engines what is the same and whats different
Nothing is tbh, they are both made ny different manufacturers and are completely different platforms
awesome video
so how much horsepower is too much for an accord. Im tryna get to at least 430
I have the EFR-7163 installed. Currently pushing 473whp/ 432wtq! All documented on my channel.
guy knows his shit!
change the camshaft/pistons/turbo/fuel system/tune and you have a type r engine in an accord
Isn't the brake booster electric?
Best engine I’ve ever owned