Supergates Explained | Stargate Lore
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2022
- An exploration of the functionality and history of the Supergate and how this device was used as part of a most unholy crusade threatening the freedom of all intelligent beings inhabiting the milky way.
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I really like the supergates. They're the next logical step after space gates. It's funny, the ancients had a prototype wormhole drive in Atlantis, but the Ori went another direction and just made giant stargates that actually work and can safely transport entire ships between galaxies
The wormhole drive was fueled by the mysterious "deus ex machina" substance
It only JUST occurred to me, in Ark of Truth as the Altarens were leaving the Ori galaxy one of them mentioned to another that he had had "the most wonderful idea". From that I surmise that the concept for the Stargate was never available to the Ori before ascension. After ascension they could have certainly found out about the Stargate technology but then why would they have not already known about Humanity in the Milky Way?
@@EdwardTCBlake Well the Ancients did send seed ships out in to the universe. The Ori could have found em in a diffrent galaxy.
@@KingSnickSnack true, but if they'd captured any of the Destiny class ships wouldn't the Ori have figured out where the Altarens had gone? Pretty sure they'd have definitely started a war at that.
The big difference between the two technologies (besides the WHD being an ass pull to get Atlantis into the fight above Earth when the Hyperdrive would have done just fine for that) is locality.
As shown in the series, a Supergate is a one per galaxy kind of deal. Which means if you want to use it, you have to go to it. No matter where in the galaxy you're coming from. A Wormhole Drive allows you to up and go from wherever you are in the moment. More like a hyperdrive.
No need to fly halfway across the galaxy, requiring time and resources for the crew just to make it to the Supergate, and likely another such trip in the other galaxy from its Supergate to your eventual destination.
Both have their benefits through. While both require huge amounts of power, one requires you to carry that with you at all times, while the other only needs it in a specific location in each galaxy. One can move huge numbers of ships in one dial, while the other needs to be on every ship that intends to use it. So the Supergates are more efficient forms of travel, but less convenient.
Much like a teleporter in your home versus having to drive hours to the nearest international airport.
"Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the gods, ships shall be built to carry our warriors out amongst the stars, and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers."- The Doci
Haloed are the ori .
I mean, at least their religion was based on scientifically observable phenomena that produced real world results. That makes it not even really a religion at all. Its like claiming people would be forced to "believe" in science -- it works whether you "believe" in it or not.
@@deusexaethera I think it's more convert or die which most people have a problem with
Always enjoyed the concept of the super hate and wondered what happened to it after the Ori crusade was defeated. If SGC was able to replicate one in Pegasus, that would be a massive advantage against the Wraith.
A supergate in Pegasus is the worst possible idea. It would be an instant mass exodus machine for the Wraith to focus on for access to the Milky Way. We hopefully already learned that lesson after Midway. Except this time it isn't a few infantry on foot, it's their entire armada. The Lanteans already proved that if you give the Wraith a single target to focus all their effort against, no level of technological superiority will save you.
If the Wraith threat has been resolved, either they are destroyed or no longer feed on humans, then it would make a lot of sense to put a supergate in Pegasus. But during that fight, it is an insane security risk to the billions of lives in the Milky Way.
@@tyrannicpuppy just put it in the void just close enough to the galaxy then then just use normal hylerdrive then so be able bring in supply and troops and ships because normal wraith ships cant really leave without supply and stuff
Yay!!!! Some afternoon Stargate Cookies!!!!!
Fully detailed content conveyed by a calm and clear delivery. Your lore videos are just perfect!
I like your optimism about a new stargate show.
The idea of super gate is good allowing quick long range travel(instead of weeks of hyperspace travel) but the energy cost namely having to collapse a planet to create the connection between gates like we saw the ori do is something most would probably hesitate to replicate.
Just find an isolated lifeless planet, there's trillions of them
@@RSanchez111 true but with the ori's method we don't know the criteria of planet size density etc needed also they needed lifeforms to resist to be able to absorb the energy from weapons fire to powe the shield which collapse's the planet
@@thestanleys3657 I believe the weapons fire only accelerated the expansion and collapse of the shield around the planet. Without weapons fire they can still use energy transmitted through the gate
@@RSanchez111 not 100% sure but carter said something to the effect that it's impossible to send the required power through the gate which is why they provoked the Jaffa and tauri to fire on them
Another great one
Many thanks to Nerd Cookies for this very interesting video explaining another high end technology device from Stargate world.
My pleasure!
It would be cool to see a gate being used. That would be a sight to behold.
I always thought it would be cool if they used the super gate for pegasus galaxy and the wraith. That problem was unsolved. Maybe some joint endeavor with the ori . To make amends for all the damage. They still habe all that technology and the wraith wouldn't stand a chance technology wise
Love your video's!! The voice is perfect and the eye for detail is exceptional. I look forward to anything you put out.
Hi my dear Nerd Cookies girl !! Kudos on this video, like always you make any subject clear and ease to understand with intelligence and sophistication !!
Wow really good video! I thought that the Supergate was a really good demonstration of the awesome powerful tech of the Ori. Our exploitation of the weaknesses we found was demonstration of our cleverness to throw "sand" in the gears of the Ori's attempted conquest of our Galaxy.
Nerd Cookies excellent as usual!
I love your Stargate lore videos !
Now I want to revisit this show,lol
Huge Stargate fan. Glad the Supergates were added to the story arcs which helped create more interesting and challenging plot lines for the main characters, ie SG1 and Allies to battle new threats. Hopefully Star Gate will return which would be absolutely insane. Thanks for sharing as always. Stay safe and have a very Swell Intergalactic Day.👽👽🤘👍🤓🤓🛸🛸🚀🚀
Great vid, love star gate
Enjoyed your video :) love all things stargate, even universe 🥲
It makes no sense that super gates would require black holes as power sources, considering the Ancients already had access to infinite energy supplied by the zero-point energy field of Dirac spacetime. The show writers just decided to use a black hole as a power source because it sounded scary.
We still don't know how exactly zero point modules were maid. While i seem to recall the Atlantean scientist (who helped weir in the alternative-timeline in season 1, scratch that, it was a replicant i think) that they can readily make them, maybe black holes are easier.
when my people made the super gates it was really simple tech for us. we mostly used the gates to go to earth and get mcdonald’s Qp w/cheese meal w/ large fries and strawberry shake w/fried apple pie. y’all just wouldn’t believe how much we craved those things on our planet.
Swing by DQ for a Skor Blizzard. 😋
@@empressoftheknownuniverse sounds delicious!
@@kinggzz I bike past DQ twice a day. It's cathartic to share in random comments. 😄😔😄
great video stargate sg-1 was my introduction into scifi shows( subsequnetly watched and loved both atlantis and universe and really hope it gets the same kind of love of additional series like start trek has gotten ) and when the supergates showed up i was like no way thats awesome. and after finishing SGU after it aired got me thinking. ' could theoretically the parts of a not active super gate been send through a destiny style gate on a planet whilest destiny is in orbit of said planet and be activated to allow the destiny to return home? just curious on your thoughts
All Hallowed Are The Nerd Cookies!!!!
I love this channel.
I freakin' love StarGate. All of the series as well as the film. ( I don't think Universe got/gets enough love). I am remaining hopeful on the prospect of a new series. (Also, apparently Joss Whedon may be attempting to get the Firefly reboot going). And Babylon 5. What a time. As a lover of Speculative-Fiction, the majority of the projects I am most excited for are all extensions of or re-imaginings of series past. And many of the biggest Sci-Fi and fantasy stories these days are all stories that originated back in the 1960's.
I was down with the Super Gates. I thought it a natural conclusion that eventually we'd see an advanced group of douchey aliens using one nefariously. If they do a new Stargate afterall, it would be cool to see one again. I'm open to it.
I hope they do a good job with any future series. Stargate done well, with writing that is original in many respects whilst managing to maintain the vibe and soul of the saga, and top of the line special effects, I am excited for the prospects. I think they might, go darker with a new series. That would be interesting.
i really wish SG-1 hadn't been cancelled. the potential of a Christian analogue as an enemy was immense especially with competing races of ancients. I'm not sure it could ever come back at this point. it's been too long.
I wonder about the power needs on a super gate. It does seem like the powerhouse could have been used as a weapon by itself
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I don't need to see it in other productions (hope to not see more of Ori), but it was an interesting concept in the show
Valla was the pilot, she must be given credit, and a pay raise.
ok, does anyone remember in the movie the scene after the first open the gate and Jackson says the symbols are different? Then the general tells him about the recon mission but unless they can dial home its pointless. Then Jackson says he can decipher them? The camera pushes in on Kurt Russell and the general and the general tells him, "Your call.", and Kurt Russell walks away and the general tells Jackson that he's on the team? Anyone remember that scene? Go watch it now and tell me what you think.
Don't know why the Tauri didn't keep one of those Ori motherships and reverse engineer it's power source.
They tried. It never worked because everything revolves around the artificial genetic marker added to the priors.
My opinion is the entire Ori story arc is one of the most original and compelling in all of broadcast sci-fi. If anything, the Ori were a bit too much for the SG1 universe and the writers had a problem containing such a powerful adversary. "We do not require your blind faith. Merely to believe what you see." This is heavy, philosophical stuff. Needed another season to tie it up properly.
Yay, Stargate!
Ooohhh, SG 1, More More More.
I meant: Your Empress Approves. 🤓
Thanks elaine and nick
Who dat?
@@asfdfdsaasfdafsd the lady who makes the video ( her voice) thats her name. And nick is her husband and he produces the videos, she writes and narrates, he does the rest , nerd cookies, nick cookies. Aka elaine and nick. . ( if you look at the channels section you can see old livestreams and listen to them talk or chat with the chat , or play games. Game channels. Talk star wars , dune or science fiction related subjects) ( it think they put them on a backup channel because of algorithm reasons)
Keep up the SG and you'll have another proposal on your hands (don't act like no creepers haven't asked already 😂😂)
I suffered through a She Hulk ad for this...
Was it worth it?
@@NerdCookies yeah!
It took a long time before there were any shots that gave you a solid sense of scale of the super gate and the Ori ships. Never liked the design of the latter for that reason.
The Ori were OP. I would have liked that storyline if they weren't so insanely powerful.
The standard Stargate, in lore, was limited basically by it's energy needs...so the supergate is more of an engineering challenge rather than a leap of technology. It was the Ori's colonialism that created a need for the supergate, and their crusade pushed them into creating it.
I think they should bring back the Super Gate. Sparringly. With some clever writing they could use it to get Destiny home? ...🤔 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦
I think super gates are too much like the death Star I mean they even made it in the same way first one was smaller than the second one was bigger.
I just watched the She-Hulk trailer. It looks terrible.
I need this video as a pallet cleanser...
your info is flawed. as for sizes, there is the Orlan gate, the regular sized stargates, the PROTO-supergate, and then the supergate itself
The first time we see a kind of supergate, is the PROTO-supergate. With this size, a tel-tak can take the place of one of the pieces.
However, when we finally see an actual supergate, one piece ABSOLUTELY DWARFS an Alkesh
So, the simple understanding is, that the proto-supergate pieces were sent through a regular stargate, so that the pieces of the actual supergate could be sent through