Just a thought, Ori probably helped people in their home galaxy more than we think. If famine would start they would easily regrow the fields, if a natural disaster was to happen (tsunami, tornado..) they would stop it, if a pandemic would start thy would easily cure it. Losing believers would mean losing power, so helping them makes sense. Who know, maybe they even terraformed entire planets to populate them with more believers
There's no evidence of this at all. In fact the opposite is true based on what we see. The people we saw lived in small villages - if they were being significantly helped with agriculture they'd have population booms and also excessive free time (that they could have put into 'thinking'). Moreover, they were happy to let people suffer - they didn't bother curing Tomen until it provided a strategic advantage. Also remember that until they discovered the existence of the Milky Way Galaxy (and the Others who they wanted to wipe out) they didn't really need to 'optimise' their power at all times.
The Ori are the prime example of the saying, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believe that when the Ori first ascended and created their own humans in their galaxy, they were going to live up to the promise of helping others ascend. Once the humans began to worship them everything changed as they felt the boost in power they got from their worship. I believe this because of Tomin, he was a devout believer in Origin and the Ori but he saw the best in their teachings where others saw the worst. In 'Line in the Sand' both Tomin and a Prior site the Story of Markon, a story of a man that walked away from the Ori only to return and beg forgiveness. To Tomin it was the tale of the Ori's forgiveness to those who realize their mistake and return to the path of enlightenment. The Prior saw it as the tale of the Ori punishing those who transgress against them and those who would welcome such a person.
I've always thought it would be interesting see we would have happened if the Ori invaded the Pegasus Galaxy. The Ori would have probably easily been able to eliminate the Wrath. In all the humans in the Pegasus Galaxy would definitely worship them other than that.
Possible. I have been fiddling with the idea of a video about if the Ori went to Pegasus. While I agree at fire the Ori would be easily able to deal with the Wraith, I think over time the Wraith would find some way to counter the Ori.
True, the replicators would be the bigger threat. But I do wonder if either side would want to fight the other. I don’t know if there would be a transfer of energy if an Replicator worshipped an Ori. So they might not bother trying to convert them. And the Replicators don’t really care about other groups.
The wraith defeating the ancients made no sense to me at all no matter how the rationalization is presented. The Ori should make quick work of them and you're right, people would worship them for it. As someone mentioned above they will have issues with the replicators. The Asurans had the same tech as the ancients and a lot of it. They also had the potential to ascend. Come to think about it I think they would beat the Ori if they weren't able to find that plot hole SGA found. The other replicators from the milky way were even worse. Who knows what the universe would have looked like if the Asgard didn't hold them at bay for so long.
@@Bitchslapper316 Wraith tech was more efficient than Asuran tech and most likely Asuran tech was not developed for war. There were many details in the show, but presenting to many details wouldn't have been realistic.
the first attempt of the supergate on Kolana, this is a misunderstanding. I think it was intentional by the creators of Stargate, that this first concept of a supergate, a Teltak could take the place of one of the pieces......while concerning the actual supergate, one piece DWARFED the size of an Alkesh. This lends to the idea that, the Ori would use a regular stargate to send these small pieces through, to make supergate-mach-1, and that gate would be activated to send the larger pieces through for the massive supergate-proper As the larger gates were intended, the mach-1's would be more properly referenced as a proto-supergate. And the supergates that were used to send the ships would be properly called supergates.
We don't know how many ancient stargates are active to these neighboring constellations, however, stargate systems seems like volcano in the top of mountains, perhaps every space highway stations are still efficiency.
I've seen the producers talk about the ending of the ori. Originally the original sg1 was suppose to be 8 years followed by a star gate in that fought the ori for 8 years running next to the Atlantis. But stuff happens and they ended up having to press 8 years into 2.
@Logan Nichols interesting. I wonder how early that idea was. I know hey had plans for another season, but had wrap up the Ori story in one of the movies. I wonder if it would had been better to go a new 8 year show instead of continuing SG-1?
Ancient tech an ori tech would be very similar, they were advanced as a society when they split, were not told the ori were low tech, just that they were religious nuts, just means their tech is used for that
Also my interpretation wasn't that they were "religious" nuts, but rather fanatically committed to the idea that ascension could only be achieved their spiritual way. I never understood it as they were worshipping some god or other being - and it's stated to us that they created origin for their followers so I doubt they were actually following that religion.
the issue about the plague brings up serious questions. Did the plague exist BEFORE they knew about ascension.....or did they find out about ascension, and then the plague came about. This becomes a huge issue, even larger of an issue because of Amara, the convert. To be clear, i actually don't like the idea of Amara having created the plague......but i do find it as interesting. To be honest, i prefer the idea of the plague actually being the issue of all of their organs shutting down as they use more and more of their brain In scientific truth, we use all 100% of our brain. Kind of yes, kind of no. "YOU" are not using your brain to make your heart beat. Your UNCONSCIOUS is using your brain to make your heart beat. So, i like the overlooked idea of, the more of your brain you have CONSCIOUS control over, the more all of those involuntary functions fall under your CONSCIOUS control, and if you don't realize this, your organs will fail, all because you didn't realize that YOU have to make them function. I like the idea of THIS being the plague. Something close to this could still be the issue.......imagine a plague that causes the organs to function by conscious thought only. A plague that causes the brain's internal unconscious communications to break down and ultimately cease. And the only way to keep the organs functioning is through conscious thought.....but, if you are not advanced enough to consciously control the organs, you will die of mulitple organ failure. None the less. Consider, a plague befalls the ancients, and ?all of the sudden they turn religious and start hoping that ascension is a thing?.....no. For ancients to try to ascend, they had to know it was a thing. As Daniel said to Jack, being ascended doesn't make you all knowing nor all powerful. Power is STILL LEARNED. And it is about how much you know about nature and how to manipulate it. It is more likely that the Ori ascended first....and leaning more to religion rather than science, it is safe to assume that they didn't know much of how to manipulate nature. After having ascended, they were learning SLOWLY. Amara learned of the signal, and converted to Ori, and thus learned of ascension, and thus the Alterans also learned of ascension. It is also a good line of thinking that the Alterans having learned of the signal, they began theorizing of ascension. And in the same vein, it was this idea that caused Amara to convert I can see the Ori ascending first, but, since the Alterans were so knowledgeable with how to manipulate nature do to science, even after the Ori ascended, they still were no match for the pre-ascended Alterans. It is established that the more brain power, the closer to 100%, the more powers one has like telekenesis. So, even pre-ascended, the Alterans were EXTREMELY powerful, and most likely, the Ori were outmatched by the Alterans, even pre-ascended. And thus, the Ori needed more power, and, probably, due to not all of the Ori ascending at the same time, i can see the idea that some who had not yet ascended, they began revering the Ori who DID ascend......and those ascended, began realizing that they were getting more power BECAUSE of their reverence. And this was also how the Alterans learned of the idea of worship causing a power exchange, and thus, when they finally did ascend, they had a strict rule, IMMEDAITELY, against meddling in the lower planes I find it more likely that the Ori ascended first, but the Alterans had supernatural abilities first. The Alterans were seeming more supernatural, and this could have fueled the Ori belief.......however, those who are religious,....a central concept in pretty much any religion, is the belief in a soul that continues on after a death.....a concept that is rejected by science......so, science will take longer to catch up.....but science will discover more power The Ori had to believe in a soul and the idea of ascension before the Alterans, and thus, probably made it first. But they also probably skipped some natural steps, and thus, were not as powerful.
My the reason the Ancients don’t interfere isn’t the Ori did and the worship they got in response made them monsters and they feared the same would happen to them.
As for the James guy that requested it twice... To be fair, he did do it 3 months apart which is very non fanatical and also just a back up in case you missed the first request. So, glad you rewarded persistence :)
16:25 - 16:32 "The only known gate besides these gates not developed by the ancients was the Tolen-Knox gate. Technically, you might also include the one-use mini gate built in Carter's basement, as that was developed by a single human who was formerly an Ancient but took human form instead (he lacked the super powers the physical-body pre-ascendant ancient's had, and specified he was human, so he technically wasn't an ancient anymore). But that's kinda splitting hairs.
At least in just stage one where they sent priors , i dont see the Ori destroying Earth or even other Earths . All you had to do was convince them you are buying what they are selling and they cant tell the difference because all they want is power
@@sg-24 Look at it this way. If they come to earth and 2 out of 8 billion people worship them that's a win. If they kill the 6 that doesn't the remaining 2 will stop worshipping them. With time that 2 billion can indoctrinate more.
Whether or not their magic was magic or technology they gained it through worship. So they would absolutely be able to tell if you were buying what they were selling.
Watching this video inspired me go go back to a few of my own theories so thanks - The Ancients refuse to take action against Anubis , not to alert the Ori - The Ancients ascended to another plain of existence so that the Ori cant find them Do not believe you can light the candle : Believe that Oma Desala can light the candle which is the same as to believe in the Ori , however a more accurate translation that wont compromise Daniel is Dont believe you can light the candle, believe that Oma Desala can , after all those years in hiding from the Ori. Instead of taking power from Daniel she borrowed it just like the Nox borrow energy from everything
This is wrong. - The 'Others', which include Ancients and other beings that have ascended, DID take action against Anubis. They partly descended him, but did not send him all the way back to our plane of existence because they wanted to teach Oma a lesson of the dangers of 'artificially' ascending people. - The Ancients were on the same plane of existence as the Ori. This is made clear because Morgan Le Fay was an equal match for Adria (when she had her believers taken away)
@@Red1Green2Blue3 So they caused death and despair to teach someone a lesson that they could just....remove...from existence. Yeah...im not for that either. Just solve the problem and the n let others know why you 'had" to. Evil is evil....kill it.
Anyone else notice in Stargate Atlantis that there was a supergate in the Pegasus galaxy. It’s noted when McKay and Shepard go to the cloning facility used by the wraith.
@AncientWonder54 I’m going to need to go re-watch that episode because I do not remember that. I know they tied up a super gate using a small gate in Pegasus, but I don’t remember it being a super gate.
@@sg-24 It was a normal gate in that regard. I’m talking about a different supergate in orbit around that planet. I was honestly shocked that they glossed it over like that. Double checked subtitles and audio, McKay definitely said Supergate
this seems very interesting, specifically Amara the ancient who converted to the religion of Ori. The religion is what interests me most. Before the Ori ascended, they were religious.......who or what were they worshipping? And Amara, having "seen the light", when did this happen?.....was it before the Destiny was launched?......was the signal that was embedded in the fabric of space-time the thing that eventually caused Amara to convert? I love the idea of this signal. Once a person ascends, they basically have all the abilities that they knew of before hand. Or put a different way, anything that they could manipulate while human, they can now manipulate as an ascended. It is confirmed by Orlan that the manipulation of nature is easy as an ascended. And science is all about nature. So, if you have been able to bend nature to science, then once ascended, anything that you could do with science, you can now do on your own. Janus Janus figured out time travel. If he ascended, he would then be able to time travel at will, since he new the scientific mechanisms that would cause it..........I imagine Janus going back in time to witness the big bang. He goes back to, according to his measurements, just before the big bang was to occur. Only, upon arriving at the desired time, his added energy CAUSES the big bang, and his energy becomes entangled with the entire universe.....he himself is embedded, part of the very fabric of the universe. Janus IS the signal that was found in the fabric of space-time. Janus IS what the Ori were worshipping. And the idea of Amara converting to Ori makes this idea even more interesting.
@@sg-24 thank you.......i have a ton of ideas about the signal Janus being one of them another being that our universe is cyclical, and the previous version, there were beings who learned to ascend......but their universe was actually headed for a big rip. Those who had not yet ascended, were trying to find a way to prevent the big rip. they developed a substance that was meant to stabilize the universe.....but, like the ancients causing huge problems....the substance that these beings made, actually caused their entire universe to collapse back in on itself....they created dark matter......and in such an abundance that it was rapidly causing the universe to head for a big crunch......this is when many learned to ascend.....and those who couldn't figure out how to do it, they created a message that would later be picked up in the new version of the universe. The message also spoke of those who ascended.....and it was these ascended beings who the Ori were worshipping
The real question is: Are they toilet paper or bidet people?? We know they force their worshipers to be paper ppl. But the pryers and the soldiers on the ships??? Maybe they mastered the 3 seashells, someone has to.
I'm still wondering where was that Asgard beam weapon during the battle of the Supergate I mean the Asgard were there and they did absolutely nothing to the Ori ships. And then in the episode Timeless they were able to destroy several Ori ships with 3-4 shots from the Asgard beam weapon
We kind of get an answer in Atlantis. During the first battle for the city they made it clear that the Asgard on the Daedalus didn’t like the idea of using the teleportation tech to beam weapons to ships.
Splitting off into a religious faction makes no sense. They only made the religion after they ascended as a means to steal the power from people who worshipped them. Unless they were worshipping a previously ascended race of beings but that was never talked about.
They broke off into a religious path. Just like science of 100 years ago is garbage religions in cement and change. 1 side goes for tech and the other goes for like force like powers. And as said Leadership may have noticed the power grab of worshipers in the mortal universe And created A religion to allow them to a assend. Then change it yo stop more people coming when they realized They had to share worshipers.
I took it to me a more "spiritual" faction, rather than them specifically following a religion themselves. But you're right, they created Origin for their followers.
Oddball questions that occurred to me pondering if the Ori invaded Pegasus. First, would the Ancients protect Pegasus the same way they protect the Milky Way and only allow their mortal followers to cross into the area? Next, can the "free will" if you call it that of an individual still give the Ori power if instead of biological, it's mechanical? More specifically, if the Asurans decided to worship the Ori, would it work? Would the Ori accept them as followers? After all, there were Asurans trying to ascend so it isn't outside the realm of possibility. Even though the Asurans would eventually see through their facade about not sharing power. And their stance about giving technology to lower beings comes into question. I'm also thinking the Wraith would be too much of a nusiance to keep around since they need to keep feeding on other followers and thereby puts doubt in the Ori's power if their followers aren't safe from such terrible harm. This is an interesting rabbit hole.
I didn't like the orai because they were to much of a fantasy antagonist. Sure we had always references to religions in Star Gate but it always turned out to be a cool twist on the reeal life lore. Thor was not a viking but a small alien. The orai felt like christian space wizards and the whole show became very medieval european. At least thats what it felt like to me. I just liked the Egyptian theme of the system lords more.
yeah the orai werent my favourite villain but after so many season i can understand why they would go and just say "What if we had actual alien gods instead of just pretending to be gods". Having actual evil "ancient" to deal with was an interesting enough concept. Maybe they should have made them a bit more alien instead of the medieval aestitic.
perhaps we would have seen more of the fall out if that season 11 that nearly happened did happen at that time perhaps less of a rush job might have given time to explore this further
Daniel and the Prior are both wrong. The key to education and development is two-fold, and has nothing to do with either "hoarding knowledge" or "letting everyone figure it out on their own." 1) Reasonably safe play. Every creature that is capable of learning at all, does so almost exclusively through play and personal experience. A proper obligation of safety ensures the greatest commitment to that play. You'll try more things when you're not worried about being hurt or losing. But, if there's no risk at all, then no gains will ever feel satisfying (for most). Humans are, after all, not sapient entities, but rather just dumb animals with thumbs and vocal cords. 2) Acquisition of skills and knowledge in the correct order. The fundamentals of the concept of communication first, then discipline/self-restraint, then logic/critical-thinking/problem-solving. And finally the conventional topics and such that are currently taught in schools, reading/writing, mathematics, the sciences. History, art, and the like are reasonable electives at that stage as well. Also, all Ascended beings should always be exterminated and Ascension should be banned. If possible destroy whatever "plane" they ascend to to make it impossible at all.
@@sg-24 Just my experience in life and my exposure to various religions and the research I've done in my lifetime. I have a variety of tests to determine whether a given belief has any moral validity. The one I tend to use first, is mostly attributed to Epicurus, but it's not really known who originated the idea. Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then it is not omnipotent. Is it able, but not willing? Then it is malevolent. Is it both able and willing? Then how does evil exist? Is it neither able nor willing? Then how is it god? To-date, no character from any mythos, ancient or modern, manages to make it past even that first hurdle, let alone any of the others. They are all, by definition, evil beings. Some just have a better sales pitch than others. It can be argued that there are circumstances when inaction is the proper course, but to choose inaction as the default, and to punish all instances otherwise, is pure malevolence. It's just sweeter in tone than the facism of beings like the Ori, or the Abrahamic god. I feel the same way about Q from Star Trek. Much as I enjoy the character at times, were such a being to exist, it would deserve only its own destruction.
I really liked the Ori. They were my favorite antagonist. In fact, I hate that we only got 2 seasons with them and got stuck for many seasons with the Goa'uld, who I didn't find nearly as interesting. I would really have liked to have seen the Ancients and Ori battle it out through proxies (similar to Babylon 5), but the ancients for all their wisdom were idiots. Likewise, I really wish we could have got more Ancients on Wraith action in SG: Atlantis.
I wish we got to see more of the Ori too. I know some fans didn’t like them as much compared to the Goa’uld, but I thought they were a good threat to add into the show along with the fallout of the empires fall.
@@sg-24 can you do a video on everything we know about the ascended? In hindsight, they fill a weird role somewhere between faeries and two dualistic gods. Beings of unknown power who are usually aloof from human affairs, but throughout the show they will appear as tricksters, antagonists, and helpful "wizards". Stargate's deus ex machina in the hero's journey.
I think the impact was limited because once you capitulated to Origin the Ori didn't do anything else to you. If the Nazi Party took over Germany but didn't commit the holocaust or go to war but just bullied other countries to follow them (kinda like what Russia and China are trying to do) then WWII might not have happened or might not have gone the way it did. They definitely wouldn't be considered the only group its OK to slaughter in every video game.
Why didn't the ancients ever help the asguard if not technologically to fix their biology spirituality helping them ascend would have been a great gift for protecting their babies they left behind.
@MrDiplomatSwaf I’m not sure. I was going to say that maybe the issue happened after they Ancients left for Pegasus, but the Vanir kind of through of wrench into that. Personally I think there was a falling out in the alliance and there’s so bad blood going around.
The way Thor spoke of them in SG1 it sounded like the 4 race allaince fell apart when the ancients just fled the galaxy without a word to the others. If that was millions of yrs ago like the timeline demands, the asgard wouldnt have messed up their DNA yet. The Vanir reached Pegasus just bedote the ancients wer finally wiped out, so at that point there wasnt anythinf tbey could do for them.
@@ianmckee4726 That can't be true. First, the Ancients left the Milky Way to Pegasus millions of years ago - long before the Asgard were an advanced civilisation. Second, The 4 Race Alliance was stated to be around (founded even) during the time of the Goa'uld. That mans it was created by the Ancients that returned from Atlantis. If anything it is a plot hole
Seeing how natural ascension requires complete peacefulness and pacifism, but anyone could be force ascended by an ascended being, it is likely that the Ori did not ascend on their own. This is due to their aggressive nature preventing ascension. I postulate that the Ancients ascended first and that the first to ascend helped others do so as well. Many of those helped were not of the most noble persuasion. They thought themself superior do to their new status and demanded worship. This is likely where the split occurred and upon being worshiped, both the Ori and the ascended Ancients discover that there is a transfer of power that take place, making the Ori too powerful for the Ancients to stop, but the Ancients too plentiful for the Ori to take on. It is likely that the Ancients refusal to interfere with corporeal affairs or to allow forced ascension comes as a result of this mistake. It is also likely that the first ascended beings came about before the Ancients left their home galaxy but natural ascension remained rare for millions, if not tens of millions of years only becoming a significant interest to the Ancients after they were facing extinction at the hand of the Ori virus.
I love all of what you said. But I really liked the idea that the Ancients had larger numbers (after they ascended) compared to the Ori. But the Ori individual were more powerful than the Ancients. It’s give a good reason why neither side was willing to step in and stop the other.
@@sg-24 I remember one episode, one of the ascended Ancients told SG1 that the Ori do not ascend their followers as promised as that would mean that they would have to share power. That means that the Ori's numbers are fix and unchanging while new Ancients are continuing to ascend. There was likely a numbers difference from the start but that difference continued to widen with time. However, the Ori continued gaining new followers with time. Forming a balance. The Ori takeover of the milky way had the potential to offset this balance in the Ori's favor as there was no new Ancients ascending since their corporeal extinction 10 thousand years ago.
@@chrixthegreat well I wouldn’t say that there were new Ancients counting to ascend. Maybe groups some Ancients helped ascend and where allied with them.
Hello, a thought came to me in reading your theory on ascension. It seems a likely possibility that an Ancient (Alteran) ascended due to a mindset of peace and tranquility. They then, upon seeing the bountiful nature of existence upon ascension, may likely have reached out with an olive branch to their fanatical (Ori) "cousins" in order to heal the ideological divide. This ascended Ancient may then have "helped" (or directly facilitated) an Ori cousin to ascend in hopes that by changing their perspective on the nature of existence. The cousin would then bring this enlightenment "truth" back to their own kind. However the resulting consequence of sharing ascension with a proponent from an adverse ideology, led them to forcefully ascend others of their kind without the need to reach inner peace and tranquility. No, the poison of the ideology which originally lay within them, found a new outlet in which to spread their engineered doctrine through.
hey, you kinda made a mistake, the ancients didn't gain more knowledge die to ascension rather their knowledge was what they gained prior to ascention and the Ori were already technologically advanced in their own right but like the ancients did, they hid their technology as mondain objects, but origin didn't start until after the ori ascended as they were already an dictateral before the Alterens split from them. and when they gained ascension they saw themselves as gods and found ways to use their followers to gain strength. Ascension doesn't give knowldge this is why Danial Jackson didnt posses all the knowldge the ancients did post Ascension
Part of ascension is gaining more knowledge about the universe. Daniel not having the knowledge when he came back was specifically because the others blocked it from him. It’s why he didn’t remember what happened to Tealc’s son in that one episode. This is also what made Anubis so scary as a villain, because he had at least partial knowledge.
@@sg-24 no, the knowldge they had after Ascending was what they learned before Ascending, after Ascension they gained greater understanding of what they already knew but understanding isnt the same thing as knowldge, its more closely related to enlightenment, knowldge had nothing to do with their ascension, we know this because of Star gate atlantis where they found a settlement of people displaced from time where they were all on the cusp of Ascension but they needed to let go of fears and attachments to understand everything better to Ascend and they were no more intelegent than the other humans in the Pegasus galaxy. Oma Desala was exiled by her fellow ancients for helping Anubis Ascend but also helping humans to Ascend and she used metaphor to convey understanding of the universe like "1 rain drop raises the sea" is a reference to how one action can create change no matter how small or large on any scale and the "when you realize the candle light is fire the meal was cooked a long time ago" is refering to a lesson about time in the cosmos. in a nutshell Ascendent beings don't just suddenly gain knowledge but they do gain is understanding of what they know and any knowldge they do gain is through eons of learning and further education by observing the universe and then making such knowldge availible to one another, because we do know Ascendent ancients do hold forums in their Ascendent dimension one of these forums was when they gathered when Oma saved Danial the 2nd time and offered him to re-Ascend Danial where a re-Ascended Anubis toyed with Danial by telling him of the events that were happening which was convoluted but the forum was gathered to determine if Danial was worth re-Ascending and they chose the cafe and to observe him during the ordeal
So I’ll agree that knowledge and understanding are two different things, and I’ll agree that knowledge isn’t just immediately gained when one ascends. So I agree they don’t become all knowing. But they still gain knowledge when they do in some way. Daniel learned about the Dakara Super Weapon when he ascended, either the others told him or he discovered it on his own, but either way he gained knowledge on it. Similar the Ancients probably learned secrets of the universe (like the message in Universe) that they could only learn from ascension (well kind of since that was the point of Destiny but well. We all say how that turned out). To be clear I really do like your comment about ascension, just wanted to offer how I see it.
@@sg-24 the knowldge that they gain would be through observation of other races in the galaxy, the Ori likely became very advanced themselves but likely hid tech similarly to the ancients due to the fact they wanted it to make it look like acts of magic and sorcery to any who were less evolved or primitive and i doubt there would have been other races they could observe to learn from so the tech they used was what they learned prior to ascention but because of their more war like stance in their willingness to go on crusades and subsequent wars, Ori tech while very similar to ancient tech evolved on a very different path and we see it with the prior staffs, the crusader staff weapons, and ori ships themselves. on the inside they hold no control panels, and resemble medieval stonework rather than an advanced ship. like their Alteran siblings and their tech (excluding Atlantis) was left behind in the guise of simple ancient stonework. funny enough the Ori holy city i think has some funny irony and a foil to the Alteran's own city of Atlantis. Ori and Alterans even though they split off from each other ironically seem to maintain a weird summitry to their greatest works like humans
Anyone else think the Destiny succeeded or rather the seed ships harvested so much energy that the Destiny became useless and the Ainchents just accumulated vast amounts of data and used it to create assention tech true biology, If one Anubis kid had his potential to manipulate phisicsdestributed over an entire village then the priors serving as power relays would have the potential of using that power themselves, and if they used this power because they were seen as sgbificant so too would Vala be seen as a segnificant figure allowing her daughter an advantage. If two fighting asendent ended up in the milky way and one was a myth while the other had an armada worshaping her then that means the antichrist can be resurected
My understanding was the Arc of truth was a brain washing weapon that would make you think the way the user wanted you to. This weapon went against everything the Ancients believed for it stoll peoples free will in a way.
@Carl Anderson it kind of works that way. The only about it I remember is that it can only be program to force people to believe the truth. Which thankfully is not subject at all.
The Arc of Truth was a brain washing machine... if you consider believing the truth against your will brain washing. The Arc could ONLY make people believe what was true.
I detested the ori as villians for many many years. I thought they were such a mery sue race especially with how strong their ships were and I hated the excuse the reasonthere ships and tech were so strong was faith power the ironythat my favourite faction and arm in warhammer 40k are the sistersof battle. It never really occurred to me that the ori effectively cheated to create the ships and the pryers I do still think they are kind of lame villians as they have no personality I've always wondered though, if the orgional ori were hyper religious, what did they worship? Was the religion always a lie. Like a hand full of ori were able to figure out that faith provided them with some power and were able to bamboozle the rest of their culture to give those at the very top power. But I have slightly turned around on them in 5he last two or three years. Ever since I watched another youtuber explain them. And it kind of clicked for me I still find it wild that the session starts with Sg1 tackling sudo kind Arthur lore as the back drop for the new season And rather than creating an enemy that would fit with that theme. Say something like Morgan le fay. Or the fairy foke Like create a werid almost lovecraftion fery type, reality benders. Like a race that was even older or just stranger than the ancients. You have space Christians be the enemy when king Arthur is steeped in Christian mythology as much as it is is in the old Celtic and pagon stuff Maybe there could have being two bad guy factions. Take a page out of diskworld. The ori could be all about order and they could be your "big army threat" legions upon legions of brain washed zealots imposing their order on the galaxy. And the fay foke could have very few numbers but be strange tricksters and be all about choas and amusement. Petty and passionate like less powerful q with less of a grand plan
Those are some really good points. I do agree that the Ori lack the personalities that made the Goa’uld fun to watch. I also think your spot on with over mythology point. I always though it was kind of weird to switch to Arthurian mythology. And I could never really say why until you mentioned the space crusaders thing. I also think SG is kind of bad at incorporating mythology stuff sometimes. I mentioned this in my Seth video, but sometimes I noticed SG will try and add in something from our mythology, but get some or a lot of the details wrong. I’m sure there’s a good explanation for this, but it does happen.
@@sg-24 indeed hell even the wrath have a few interesting characters like Todd and Michael and the whole vampire aristocracy of the night and hive politics are more interesting Than the Oris " were space Christians but also Satanists thing." I will say Adrda could be fun at times in that Azula. I belive in my own supiroity so much that I'm a step away from snapping and going coco for koko puffs the moment something goes wrong Kind of way. If only because Valia trying so hard to make something work with Tolin and Adra is both tragic and deeply amusing Also. Think of this to carry on your idea that the people of the milky way would have a grudge against the people of the ori galaxy Think of this. The ori humans have being kept in the middle ages and the ori horderd so much tech and never used the proper scientific method to create their super tech shit. How long before the ori humans forget how to make those ships and their wepions. The pryiers don't seem to understand what there doing eather or never questioned or asked how any thing works And with out the ori God beings now gone to draw knowledge and power from would their tech even work right? All I'm saying , give it a generation or two, and I think the ori humans might be subjected to a counter invasion
@@shmee123ful I love the Azula Adria comparison. So funny and yet so accurate. The idea of a counter invasion is interestingly though I think Earth would try to step in and stop, or the people of the Milky Way would want to. I don’t think most have the tech/ ships for that kind of thing.
It’s not called the The mythical land of Shangri-La (that is a mythical city) it’s called the saint graal (holy grail) in stargate, i dunno 🤷 how you got them mixed up, stargate = saint graal! Pronounced san graal.
@@sg-24 That’s fair enough and I too am guilty of it. I’m quite impressed you took the time to reply to me, not many UA-camrs would! No hard feelings I hope, cheers lad!
I would have loved that the creators of the show would have dared to drag it one step further and say "Last time a prior was on Earth you crucifyed him". Implying that Jesus was a prior and for some reason that they could have explored more to why the priors never went back.
@theblackgoatofthewoods not sure how would I feel about that. Would have been an interesting route for them to go, but not sure if it would line up with the timeline.
@@sg-24 I mean if Sokar was Satan. If a prior got sendt here to inspect what was going on... The timeline is a bit messed up since some Goa'Ulds seems to have been here even after Ra left and didn't he outlaw anyone to come back?
But before i watch this later , they started as a serious threat their powers are real and i dont think it was a good idea to provoke them in a military conflict. You bring guns to a dog fight Earth has the longest strings of religions cohabitating for centuries after centuries of persecution. If you are a catholic and want to visit India , you will buy tokens that represent worshiping Harikrishna . Head over to Spain and you will find idols worshiping Montezuma
This is false and has been stated many times to be so. Natural ascension is simply a biological state of being - the next evolutionary step, once your physiology is advanced enough you will be able to ascend, regardless of your personal morality/philosophy
You do know I was talking about the Ori Crusade in the show right? The one where the Ori launch attacks on the Milky Way that happened in the last two season of show. The ones the lasted two years.
@@Outworlder Only when religion becomes government with a standing army then do you have to worry about a general taking advantage of a religion to further their agenda of world conquest. The Crusade worked for the King the Church was a tool of a king. Technology of warfare makes a King have the power of Technology you can control the media and the church. Technology is the way of war look at Elon Musk, Soros, Bezos and many other high tech companies. Why is Ukraine still fighting it's war? Technology.
@@Red1Green2Blue3 New Bond villain in real life Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum watch his speech. That there is the Globalist NAZI's trying to change the world in 10 years to Communism. Only two ways to to change the world. Really good science that improves everyones quality of life. Or World War. Religion has little to do with this, only the tyranny of evil men have everything to do with it.
I’m a little confused by what you mean. I get what you are saying, but if I am going to do lore video for the Ori for example and I have to cover their history/story I’m going to need to describe what happened. I can’t just change words around as I found that it can lead to me describing a different event than actually happened.
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Just a thought, Ori probably helped people in their home galaxy more than we think. If famine would start they would easily regrow the fields, if a natural disaster was to happen (tsunami, tornado..) they would stop it, if a pandemic would start thy would easily cure it. Losing believers would mean losing power, so helping them makes sense. Who know, maybe they even terraformed entire planets to populate them with more believers
@cRObar that is a good point.
There's no evidence of this at all. In fact the opposite is true based on what we see. The people we saw lived in small villages - if they were being significantly helped with agriculture they'd have population booms and also excessive free time (that they could have put into 'thinking'). Moreover, they were happy to let people suffer - they didn't bother curing Tomen until it provided a strategic advantage.
Also remember that until they discovered the existence of the Milky Way Galaxy (and the Others who they wanted to wipe out) they didn't really need to 'optimise' their power at all times.
The Ori are the prime example of the saying, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believe that when the Ori first ascended and created their own humans in their galaxy, they were going to live up to the promise of helping others ascend. Once the humans began to worship them everything changed as they felt the boost in power they got from their worship. I believe this because of Tomin, he was a devout believer in Origin and the Ori but he saw the best in their teachings where others saw the worst. In 'Line in the Sand' both Tomin and a Prior site the Story of Markon, a story of a man that walked away from the Ori only to return and beg forgiveness. To Tomin it was the tale of the Ori's forgiveness to those who realize their mistake and return to the path of enlightenment. The Prior saw it as the tale of the Ori punishing those who transgress against them and those who would welcome such a person.
I've always thought it would be interesting see we would have happened if the Ori invaded the Pegasus Galaxy. The Ori would have probably easily been able to eliminate the Wrath. In all the humans in the Pegasus Galaxy would definitely worship them other than that.
Possible. I have been fiddling with the idea of a video about if the Ori went to Pegasus. While I agree at fire the Ori would be easily able to deal with the Wraith, I think over time the Wraith would find some way to counter the Ori.
@@sg-24 I think possibly they would have a harder time dealing with the Pegasus replicators than anything the Wraith could throw at them.
True, the replicators would be the bigger threat. But I do wonder if either side would want to fight the other. I don’t know if there would be a transfer of energy if an Replicator worshipped an Ori. So they might not bother trying to convert them. And the Replicators don’t really care about other groups.
The wraith defeating the ancients made no sense to me at all no matter how the rationalization is presented. The Ori should make quick work of them and you're right, people would worship them for it.
As someone mentioned above they will have issues with the replicators. The Asurans had the same tech as the ancients and a lot of it. They also had the potential to ascend. Come to think about it I think they would beat the Ori if they weren't able to find that plot hole SGA found.
The other replicators from the milky way were even worse. Who knows what the universe would have looked like if the Asgard didn't hold them at bay for so long.
@@Bitchslapper316 Wraith tech was more efficient than Asuran tech and most likely Asuran tech was not developed for war. There were many details in the show, but presenting to many details wouldn't have been realistic.
the first attempt of the supergate on Kolana, this is a misunderstanding. I think it was intentional by the creators of Stargate, that this first concept of a supergate, a Teltak could take the place of one of the pieces......while concerning the actual supergate, one piece DWARFED the size of an Alkesh.
This lends to the idea that, the Ori would use a regular stargate to send these small pieces through, to make supergate-mach-1, and that gate would be activated to send the larger pieces through for the massive supergate-proper
As the larger gates were intended, the mach-1's would be more properly referenced as a proto-supergate. And the supergates that were used to send the ships would be properly called supergates.
They’re like the Chaos gods from Warhammer.
We don't know how many ancient stargates are active to these neighboring constellations, however, stargate systems seems like volcano in the top of mountains, perhaps every space highway stations are still efficiency.
I've seen the producers talk about the ending of the ori. Originally the original sg1 was suppose to be 8 years followed by a star gate in that fought the ori for 8 years running next to the Atlantis. But stuff happens and they ended up having to press 8 years into 2.
@Logan Nichols interesting. I wonder how early that idea was. I know hey had plans for another season, but had wrap up the Ori story in one of the movies. I wonder if it would had been better to go a new 8 year show instead of continuing SG-1?
Ancient tech an ori tech would be very similar, they were advanced as a society when they split, were not told the ori were low tech, just that they were religious nuts, just means their tech is used for that
Also my interpretation wasn't that they were "religious" nuts, but rather fanatically committed to the idea that ascension could only be achieved their spiritual way. I never understood it as they were worshipping some god or other being - and it's stated to us that they created origin for their followers so I doubt they were actually following that religion.
the issue about the plague brings up serious questions. Did the plague exist BEFORE they knew about ascension.....or did they find out about ascension, and then the plague came about.
This becomes a huge issue, even larger of an issue because of Amara, the convert.
To be clear, i actually don't like the idea of Amara having created the plague......but i do find it as interesting. To be honest, i prefer the idea of the plague actually being the issue of all of their organs shutting down as they use more and more of their brain
In scientific truth, we use all 100% of our brain. Kind of yes, kind of no. "YOU" are not using your brain to make your heart beat. Your UNCONSCIOUS is using your brain to make your heart beat. So, i like the overlooked idea of, the more of your brain you have CONSCIOUS control over, the more all of those involuntary functions fall under your CONSCIOUS control, and if you don't realize this, your organs will fail, all because you didn't realize that YOU have to make them function. I like the idea of THIS being the plague. Something close to this could still be the issue.......imagine a plague that causes the organs to function by conscious thought only. A plague that causes the brain's internal unconscious communications to break down and ultimately cease. And the only way to keep the organs functioning is through conscious thought.....but, if you are not advanced enough to consciously control the organs, you will die of mulitple organ failure.
None the less. Consider, a plague befalls the ancients, and ?all of the sudden they turn religious and start hoping that ascension is a thing?.....no. For ancients to try to ascend, they had to know it was a thing.
As Daniel said to Jack, being ascended doesn't make you all knowing nor all powerful. Power is STILL LEARNED. And it is about how much you know about nature and how to manipulate it. It is more likely that the Ori ascended first....and leaning more to religion rather than science, it is safe to assume that they didn't know much of how to manipulate nature. After having ascended, they were learning SLOWLY. Amara learned of the signal, and converted to Ori, and thus learned of ascension, and thus the Alterans also learned of ascension.
It is also a good line of thinking that the Alterans having learned of the signal, they began theorizing of ascension. And in the same vein, it was this idea that caused Amara to convert
I can see the Ori ascending first, but, since the Alterans were so knowledgeable with how to manipulate nature do to science, even after the Ori ascended, they still were no match for the pre-ascended Alterans. It is established that the more brain power, the closer to 100%, the more powers one has like telekenesis. So, even pre-ascended, the Alterans were EXTREMELY powerful, and most likely, the Ori were outmatched by the Alterans, even pre-ascended. And thus, the Ori needed more power, and, probably, due to not all of the Ori ascending at the same time, i can see the idea that some who had not yet ascended, they began revering the Ori who DID ascend......and those ascended, began realizing that they were getting more power BECAUSE of their reverence. And this was also how the Alterans learned of the idea of worship causing a power exchange, and thus, when they finally did ascend, they had a strict rule, IMMEDAITELY, against meddling in the lower planes
I find it more likely that the Ori ascended first, but the Alterans had supernatural abilities first. The Alterans were seeming more supernatural, and this could have fueled the Ori belief.......however, those who are religious,....a central concept in pretty much any religion, is the belief in a soul that continues on after a death.....a concept that is rejected by science......so, science will take longer to catch up.....but science will discover more power
The Ori had to believe in a soul and the idea of ascension before the Alterans, and thus, probably made it first. But they also probably skipped some natural steps, and thus, were not as powerful.
The last minute though... Genius !
My the reason the Ancients don’t interfere isn’t the Ori did and the worship they got in response made them monsters and they feared the same would happen to them.
As for the James guy that requested it twice...
To be fair, he did do it 3 months apart which is very non fanatical and also just a back up in case you missed the first request.
So, glad you rewarded persistence :)
Sangral not sangrala.
Carl Jung warned of the hazards of unearned knowledge.
16:25 - 16:32
"The only known gate besides these gates not developed by the ancients was the Tolen-Knox gate.
Technically, you might also include the one-use mini gate built in Carter's basement, as that was developed by a single human who was formerly an Ancient but took human form instead (he lacked the super powers the physical-body pre-ascendant ancient's had, and specified he was human, so he technically wasn't an ancient anymore).
But that's kinda splitting hairs.
That is true, but given he was an Ancient I decided not to count it.
At least in just stage one where they sent priors , i dont see the Ori destroying Earth or even other Earths . All you had to do was convince them you are buying what they are selling and they cant tell the difference because all they want is power
They might be able to tell if you are serious or not. Especially when they ask you to destroy/attack another group who refuse to accept Origin.
@@sg-24 Look at it this way. If they come to earth and 2 out of 8 billion people worship them that's a win. If they kill the 6 that doesn't the remaining 2 will stop worshipping them. With time that 2 billion can indoctrinate more.
Whether or not their magic was magic or technology they gained it through worship. So they would absolutely be able to tell if you were buying what they were selling.
Watching this video inspired me go go back to a few of my own theories so thanks
- The Ancients refuse to take action against Anubis , not to alert the Ori
- The Ancients ascended to another plain of existence so that the Ori cant find them
Do not believe you can light the candle : Believe that Oma Desala can light the candle which is the same as to believe in the Ori , however a more accurate translation that wont compromise Daniel is Dont believe you can light the candle, believe that Oma Desala can , after all those years in hiding from the Ori. Instead of taking power from Daniel she borrowed it just like the Nox borrow energy from everything
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@@timmiller1954 boat
This is wrong.
- The 'Others', which include Ancients and other beings that have ascended, DID take action against Anubis. They partly descended him, but did not send him all the way back to our plane of existence because they wanted to teach Oma a lesson of the dangers of 'artificially' ascending people.
- The Ancients were on the same plane of existence as the Ori. This is made clear because Morgan Le Fay was an equal match for Adria (when she had her believers taken away)
@@Red1Green2Blue3 So they caused death and despair to teach someone a lesson that they could just....remove...from existence.
Yeah...im not for that either.
Just solve the problem and the n let others know why you 'had" to.
Evil is evil....kill it.
Anyone else notice in Stargate Atlantis that there was a supergate in the Pegasus galaxy. It’s noted when McKay and Shepard go to the cloning facility used by the wraith.
@AncientWonder54 I’m going to need to go re-watch that episode because I do not remember that. I know they tied up a super gate using a small gate in Pegasus, but I don’t remember it being a super gate.
@@sg-24 It was a normal gate in that regard. I’m talking about a different supergate in orbit around that planet. I was honestly shocked that they glossed it over like that. Double checked subtitles and audio, McKay definitely said Supergate
@@AncientWonder54 Whats the episode number?
@@Red1Green2Blue3 Season 4, episode 12
@AncinetWonder54 so I checked out the episode, but I hear Rodney say spacegate.
Gotta love a lore video on the space Catholics
space Catholics.... Thats exactly what I called them when I first saw them. We even reffered to them as "here comes The Cosmic Vatican" again...
@@ChrisKhaled83 if the shoe fits lol
this seems very interesting, specifically Amara the ancient who converted to the religion of Ori.
The religion is what interests me most. Before the Ori ascended, they were religious.......who or what were they worshipping? And Amara, having "seen the light", when did this happen?.....was it before the Destiny was launched?......was the signal that was embedded in the fabric of space-time the thing that eventually caused Amara to convert?
I love the idea of this signal.
Once a person ascends, they basically have all the abilities that they knew of before hand. Or put a different way, anything that they could manipulate while human, they can now manipulate as an ascended. It is confirmed by Orlan that the manipulation of nature is easy as an ascended. And science is all about nature. So, if you have been able to bend nature to science, then once ascended, anything that you could do with science, you can now do on your own.
Janus
Janus figured out time travel. If he ascended, he would then be able to time travel at will, since he new the scientific mechanisms that would cause it..........I imagine Janus going back in time to witness the big bang. He goes back to, according to his measurements, just before the big bang was to occur. Only, upon arriving at the desired time, his added energy CAUSES the big bang, and his energy becomes entangled with the entire universe.....he himself is embedded, part of the very fabric of the universe. Janus IS the signal that was found in the fabric of space-time. Janus IS what the Ori were worshipping. And the idea of Amara converting to Ori makes this idea even more interesting.
I really like this theory.
The novels aren't canon though
@@sg-24 thank you.......i have a ton of ideas about the signal
Janus being one of them
another being that our universe is cyclical, and the previous version, there were beings who learned to ascend......but their universe was actually headed for a big rip. Those who had not yet ascended, were trying to find a way to prevent the big rip. they developed a substance that was meant to stabilize the universe.....but, like the ancients causing huge problems....the substance that these beings made, actually caused their entire universe to collapse back in on itself....they created dark matter......and in such an abundance that it was rapidly causing the universe to head for a big crunch......this is when many learned to ascend.....and those who couldn't figure out how to do it, they created a message that would later be picked up in the new version of the universe. The message also spoke of those who ascended.....and it was these ascended beings who the Ori were worshipping
freat job ty the ORI was a great part just perfect
the ori galaxy humans make more sense as less evolved less inteligent servants, more gullable easier to control
The real question is:
Are they toilet paper or bidet people??
We know they force their worshipers to be paper ppl.
But the pryers and the soldiers on the ships???
Maybe they mastered the 3 seashells, someone has to.
The power of the 3 seashells is a power limited to few, and only of great power. So maybe the Ori would know.
I'm still wondering where was that Asgard beam weapon during the battle of the Supergate
I mean the Asgard were there and they did absolutely nothing to the Ori ships.
And then in the episode Timeless they were able to destroy several Ori ships with 3-4 shots from the Asgard beam weapon
We kind of get an answer in Atlantis. During the first battle for the city they made it clear that the Asgard on the Daedalus didn’t like the idea of using the teleportation tech to beam weapons to ships.
Splitting off into a religious faction
makes no sense. They only made the religion after they ascended as a means to steal the power from people who worshipped them.
Unless they were worshipping a previously ascended race of beings but that was never talked about.
They broke off into a religious path. Just like science of 100 years ago is garbage religions in cement and change. 1 side goes for tech and the other goes for like force like powers. And as said Leadership may have noticed the power grab of worshipers in the mortal universe And created A religion to allow them to a assend. Then change it yo stop more people coming when they realized They had to share worshipers.
I took it to me a more "spiritual" faction, rather than them specifically following a religion themselves. But you're right, they created Origin for their followers.
Hallowed be the Ori.
hollow be the ori
Hallowed be the Ori
Oddball questions that occurred to me pondering if the Ori invaded Pegasus. First, would the Ancients protect Pegasus the same way they protect the Milky Way and only allow their mortal followers to cross into the area? Next, can the "free will" if you call it that of an individual still give the Ori power if instead of biological, it's mechanical? More specifically, if the Asurans decided to worship the Ori, would it work? Would the Ori accept them as followers? After all, there were Asurans trying to ascend so it isn't outside the realm of possibility. Even though the Asurans would eventually see through their facade about not sharing power. And their stance about giving technology to lower beings comes into question. I'm also thinking the Wraith would be too much of a nusiance to keep around since they need to keep feeding on other followers and thereby puts doubt in the Ori's power if their followers aren't safe from such terrible harm. This is an interesting rabbit hole.
@Jeffrey Shaffer it is indeed a good question and quite the rabbit whole to go down. One I do plan to do someday.
Hallowed are the Ori🔥
I shall die free
@@xenomorph733 if that's your wish
I didn't like the orai because they were to much of a fantasy antagonist. Sure we had always references to religions in Star Gate but it always turned out to be a cool twist on the reeal life lore. Thor was not a viking but a small alien.
The orai felt like christian space wizards and the whole show became very medieval european. At least thats what it felt like to me. I just liked the Egyptian theme of the system lords more.
yeah the orai werent my favourite villain but after so many season i can understand why they would go and just say "What if we had actual alien gods instead of just pretending to be gods". Having actual evil "ancient" to deal with was an interesting enough concept. Maybe they should have made them a bit more alien instead of the medieval aestitic.
perhaps we would have seen more of the fall out if that season 11 that nearly happened did happen at that time perhaps less of a rush job might have given time to explore this further
Daniel and the Prior are both wrong. The key to education and development is two-fold, and has nothing to do with either "hoarding knowledge" or "letting everyone figure it out on their own."
1) Reasonably safe play. Every creature that is capable of learning at all, does so almost exclusively through play and personal experience. A proper obligation of safety ensures the greatest commitment to that play. You'll try more things when you're not worried about being hurt or losing. But, if there's no risk at all, then no gains will ever feel satisfying (for most). Humans are, after all, not sapient entities, but rather just dumb animals with thumbs and vocal cords.
2) Acquisition of skills and knowledge in the correct order. The fundamentals of the concept of communication first, then discipline/self-restraint, then logic/critical-thinking/problem-solving. And finally the conventional topics and such that are currently taught in schools, reading/writing, mathematics, the sciences. History, art, and the like are reasonable electives at that stage as well.
Also, all Ascended beings should always be exterminated and Ascension should be banned. If possible destroy whatever "plane" they ascend to to make it impossible at all.
Okay that final point just came up. I’m curious why you think ascension should be banned?
@@sg-24 Just my experience in life and my exposure to various religions and the research I've done in my lifetime.
I have a variety of tests to determine whether a given belief has any moral validity. The one I tend to use first, is mostly attributed to Epicurus, but it's not really known who originated the idea.
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then it is not omnipotent.
Is it able, but not willing?
Then it is malevolent.
Is it both able and willing?
Then how does evil exist?
Is it neither able nor willing?
Then how is it god?
To-date, no character from any mythos, ancient or modern, manages to make it past even that first hurdle, let alone any of the others. They are all, by definition, evil beings. Some just have a better sales pitch than others.
It can be argued that there are circumstances when inaction is the proper course, but to choose inaction as the default, and to punish all instances otherwise, is pure malevolence. It's just sweeter in tone than the facism of beings like the Ori, or the Abrahamic god.
I feel the same way about Q from Star Trek. Much as I enjoy the character at times, were such a being to exist, it would deserve only its own destruction.
I really liked the Ori. They were my favorite antagonist. In fact, I hate that we only got 2 seasons with them and got stuck for many seasons with the Goa'uld, who I didn't find nearly as interesting.
I would really have liked to have seen the Ancients and Ori battle it out through proxies (similar to Babylon 5), but the ancients for all their wisdom were idiots. Likewise, I really wish we could have got more Ancients on Wraith action in SG: Atlantis.
I wish we got to see more of the Ori too. I know some fans didn’t like them as much compared to the Goa’uld, but I thought they were a good threat to add into the show along with the fallout of the empires fall.
That guy is the warlock Ori
Do they ever explain how worship gives the Ori power?
Yes, but also no. There’s no scientific explanation for how it work, only that it just works that way.
@@sg-24 can you do a video on everything we know about the ascended? In hindsight, they fill a weird role somewhere between faeries and two dualistic gods. Beings of unknown power who are usually aloof from human affairs, but throughout the show they will appear as tricksters, antagonists, and helpful "wizards". Stargate's deus ex machina in the hero's journey.
@GremlinsAndGnomes I can add it to the list, though I will warn you with my current plans it may take a bit to get to.
I think the impact was limited because once you capitulated to Origin the Ori didn't do anything else to you. If the Nazi Party took over Germany but didn't commit the holocaust or go to war but just bullied other countries to follow them (kinda like what Russia and China are trying to do) then WWII might not have happened or might not have gone the way it did. They definitely wouldn't be considered the only group its OK to slaughter in every video game.
Why didn't the ancients ever help the asguard if not technologically to fix their biology spirituality helping them ascend would have been a great gift for protecting their babies they left behind.
@MrDiplomatSwaf I’m not sure. I was going to say that maybe the issue happened after they Ancients left for Pegasus, but the Vanir kind of through of wrench into that. Personally I think there was a falling out in the alliance and there’s so bad blood going around.
The way Thor spoke of them in SG1 it sounded like the 4 race allaince fell apart when the ancients just fled the galaxy without a word to the others. If that was millions of yrs ago like the timeline demands, the asgard wouldnt have messed up their DNA yet. The Vanir reached Pegasus just bedote the ancients wer finally wiped out, so at that point there wasnt anythinf tbey could do for them.
@@ianmckee4726 That can't be true. First, the Ancients left the Milky Way to Pegasus millions of years ago - long before the Asgard were an advanced civilisation. Second, The 4 Race Alliance was stated to be around (founded even) during the time of the Goa'uld. That mans it was created by the Ancients that returned from Atlantis. If anything it is a plot hole
Woow this is a touch nut to crack. Grats on taking it head on
You don’t know the half of it, the original audio was 40 minutes long. 40 MINUTES!
@@sg-24 a full on Stargate episode minus the theme song
Yeah pretty much. Most of it was just goofs I had to cut, but it was still sooo long.
Seeing how natural ascension requires complete peacefulness and pacifism, but anyone could be force ascended by an ascended being, it is likely that the Ori did not ascend on their own. This is due to their aggressive nature preventing ascension. I postulate that the Ancients ascended first and that the first to ascend helped others do so as well. Many of those helped were not of the most noble persuasion. They thought themself superior do to their new status and demanded worship. This is likely where the split occurred and upon being worshiped, both the Ori and the ascended Ancients discover that there is a transfer of power that take place, making the Ori too powerful for the Ancients to stop, but the Ancients too plentiful for the Ori to take on. It is likely that the Ancients refusal to interfere with corporeal affairs or to allow forced ascension comes as a result of this mistake.
It is also likely that the first ascended beings came about before the Ancients left their home galaxy but natural ascension remained rare for millions, if not tens of millions of years only becoming a significant interest to the Ancients after they were facing extinction at the hand of the Ori virus.
I love all of what you said. But I really liked the idea that the Ancients had larger numbers (after they ascended) compared to the Ori. But the Ori individual were more powerful than the Ancients. It’s give a good reason why neither side was willing to step in and stop the other.
@@sg-24 I remember one episode, one of the ascended Ancients told SG1 that the Ori do not ascend their followers as promised as that would mean that they would have to share power. That means that the Ori's numbers are fix and unchanging while new Ancients are continuing to ascend. There was likely a numbers difference from the start but that difference continued to widen with time. However, the Ori continued gaining new followers with time. Forming a balance. The Ori takeover of the milky way had the potential to offset this balance in the Ori's favor as there was no new Ancients ascending since their corporeal extinction 10 thousand years ago.
@@chrixthegreat well I wouldn’t say that there were new Ancients counting to ascend. Maybe groups some Ancients helped ascend and where allied with them.
Hello, a thought came to me in reading your theory on ascension. It seems a likely possibility that an Ancient (Alteran) ascended due to a mindset of peace and tranquility. They then, upon seeing the bountiful nature of existence upon ascension, may likely have reached out with an olive branch to their fanatical (Ori) "cousins" in order to heal the ideological divide. This ascended Ancient may then have "helped" (or directly facilitated) an Ori cousin to ascend in hopes that by changing their perspective on the nature of existence. The cousin would then bring this enlightenment "truth" back to their own kind. However the resulting consequence of sharing ascension with a proponent from an adverse ideology, led them to forcefully ascend others of their kind without the need to reach inner peace and tranquility. No, the poison of the ideology which originally lay within them, found a new outlet in which to spread their engineered doctrine through.
Good theoryGood theory
hey, you kinda made a mistake, the ancients didn't gain more knowledge die to ascension rather their knowledge was what they gained prior to ascention and the Ori were already technologically advanced in their own right but like the ancients did, they hid their technology as mondain objects, but origin didn't start until after the ori ascended as they were already an dictateral before the Alterens split from them. and when they gained ascension they saw themselves as gods and found ways to use their followers to gain strength. Ascension doesn't give knowldge this is why Danial Jackson didnt posses all the knowldge the ancients did post Ascension
Part of ascension is gaining more knowledge about the universe. Daniel not having the knowledge when he came back was specifically because the others blocked it from him. It’s why he didn’t remember what happened to Tealc’s son in that one episode. This is also what made Anubis so scary as a villain, because he had at least partial knowledge.
@@sg-24 no, the knowldge they had after Ascending was what they learned before Ascending, after Ascension they gained greater understanding of what they already knew but understanding isnt the same thing as knowldge, its more closely related to enlightenment, knowldge had nothing to do with their ascension, we know this because of Star gate atlantis where they found a settlement of people displaced from time where they were all on the cusp of Ascension but they needed to let go of fears and attachments to understand everything better to Ascend and they were no more intelegent than the other humans in the Pegasus galaxy.
Oma Desala was exiled by her fellow ancients for helping Anubis Ascend but also helping humans to Ascend and she used metaphor to convey understanding of the universe like "1 rain drop raises the sea" is a reference to how one action can create change no matter how small or large on any scale and the "when you realize the candle light is fire the meal was cooked a long time ago" is refering to a lesson about time in the cosmos.
in a nutshell Ascendent beings don't just suddenly gain knowledge but they do gain is understanding of what they know and any knowldge they do gain is through eons of learning and further education by observing the universe and then making such knowldge availible to one another, because we do know Ascendent ancients do hold forums in their Ascendent dimension one of these forums was when they gathered when Oma saved Danial the 2nd time and offered him to re-Ascend Danial where a re-Ascended Anubis toyed with Danial by telling him of the events that were happening which was convoluted but the forum was gathered to determine if Danial was worth re-Ascending and they chose the cafe and to observe him during the ordeal
So I’ll agree that knowledge and understanding are two different things, and I’ll agree that knowledge isn’t just immediately gained when one ascends. So I agree they don’t become all knowing. But they still gain knowledge when they do in some way. Daniel learned about the Dakara Super Weapon when he ascended, either the others told him or he discovered it on his own, but either way he gained knowledge on it. Similar the Ancients probably learned secrets of the universe (like the message in Universe) that they could only learn from ascension (well kind of since that was the point of Destiny but well. We all say how that turned out).
To be clear I really do like your comment about ascension, just wanted to offer how I see it.
@@sg-24 the knowldge that they gain would be through observation of other races in the galaxy, the Ori likely became very advanced themselves but likely hid tech similarly to the ancients due to the fact they wanted it to make it look like acts of magic and sorcery to any who were less evolved or primitive and i doubt there would have been other races they could observe to learn from so the tech they used was what they learned prior to ascention but because of their more war like stance in their willingness to go on crusades and subsequent wars, Ori tech while very similar to ancient tech evolved on a very different path and we see it with the prior staffs, the crusader staff weapons, and ori ships themselves. on the inside they hold no control panels, and resemble medieval stonework rather than an advanced ship.
like their Alteran siblings and their tech (excluding Atlantis) was left behind in the guise of simple ancient stonework. funny enough the Ori holy city i think has some funny irony and a foil to the Alteran's own city of Atlantis. Ori and Alterans even though they split off from each other ironically seem to maintain a weird summitry to their greatest works like humans
Anyone else think the Destiny succeeded or rather the seed ships harvested so much energy that the Destiny became useless and the Ainchents just accumulated vast amounts of data and used it to create assention tech true biology,
If one Anubis kid had his potential to manipulate phisicsdestributed over an entire village then the priors serving as power relays would have the potential of using that power themselves, and if they used this power because they were seen as sgbificant so too would Vala be seen as a segnificant figure allowing her daughter an advantage.
If two fighting asendent ended up in the milky way and one was a myth while the other had an armada worshaping her then that means the antichrist can be resurected
good vid. rushed race.
maybe they ascended first got greedy and changed
Hallowed are the' Ori
God fucking dammit! i bet they actually said that when they used the stones😂 they spendt so long protecting our galaxy, and here comes Earth along 🤣
My understanding was the Arc of truth was a brain washing weapon that would make you think the way the user wanted you to. This weapon went against everything the Ancients believed for it stoll peoples free will in a way.
@Carl Anderson it kind of works that way. The only about it I remember is that it can only be program to force people to believe the truth. Which thankfully is not subject at all.
The Arc of Truth was a brain washing machine... if you consider believing the truth against your will brain washing. The Arc could ONLY make people believe what was true.
I detested the ori as villians for many many years. I thought they were such a mery sue race especially with how strong their ships were and I hated the excuse the reasonthere ships and tech were so strong was faith power the ironythat my favourite faction and arm in warhammer 40k are the sistersof battle.
It never really occurred to me that the ori effectively cheated to create the ships and the pryers
I do still think they are kind of lame villians as they have no personality
I've always wondered though, if the orgional ori were hyper religious, what did they worship? Was the religion always a lie. Like a hand full of ori were able to figure out that faith provided them with some power and were able to bamboozle the rest of their culture to give those at the very top power.
But I have slightly turned around on them in 5he last two or three years. Ever since I watched another youtuber explain them. And it kind of clicked for me
I still find it wild that the session starts with Sg1 tackling sudo kind Arthur lore as the back drop for the new season
And rather than creating an enemy that would fit with that theme. Say something like Morgan le fay. Or the fairy foke
Like create a werid almost lovecraftion fery type, reality benders. Like a race that was even older or just stranger than the ancients.
You have space Christians be the enemy when king Arthur is steeped in Christian mythology as much as it is is in the old Celtic and pagon stuff
Maybe there could have being two bad guy factions. Take a page out of diskworld. The ori could be all about order and they could be your "big army threat" legions upon legions of brain washed zealots imposing their order on the galaxy.
And the fay foke could have very few numbers but be strange tricksters and be all about choas and amusement. Petty and passionate like less powerful q with less of a grand plan
Those are some really good points. I do agree that the Ori lack the personalities that made the Goa’uld fun to watch.
I also think your spot on with over mythology point. I always though it was kind of weird to switch to Arthurian mythology. And I could never really say why until you mentioned the space crusaders thing.
I also think SG is kind of bad at incorporating mythology stuff sometimes. I mentioned this in my Seth video, but sometimes I noticed SG will try and add in something from our mythology, but get some or a lot of the details wrong. I’m sure there’s a good explanation for this, but it does happen.
@@sg-24 indeed hell even the wrath have a few interesting characters like Todd and Michael and the whole vampire aristocracy of the night and hive politics are more interesting
Than the Oris " were space Christians but also Satanists thing."
I will say Adrda could be fun at times in that Azula. I belive in my own supiroity so much that I'm a step away from snapping and going coco for koko puffs the moment something goes wrong
Kind of way.
If only because Valia trying so hard to make something work with Tolin and Adra is both tragic and deeply amusing
Also. Think of this to carry on your idea that the people of the milky way would have a grudge against the people of the ori galaxy
Think of this. The ori humans have being kept in the middle ages and the ori horderd so much tech and never used the proper scientific method to create their super tech shit.
How long before the ori humans forget how to make those ships and their wepions. The pryiers don't seem to understand what there doing eather or never questioned or asked how any thing works
And with out the ori God beings now gone to draw knowledge and power from would their tech even work right?
All I'm saying , give it a generation or two, and I think the ori humans might be subjected to a counter invasion
@@shmee123ful I love the Azula Adria comparison. So funny and yet so accurate.
The idea of a counter invasion is interestingly though I think Earth would try to step in and stop, or the people of the Milky Way would want to. I don’t think most have the tech/ ships for that kind of thing.
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It’s not called the The mythical land of Shangri-La (that is a mythical city) it’s called the saint graal (holy grail) in stargate, i dunno 🤷 how you got them mixed up, stargate = saint graal! Pronounced san graal.
Something to know about me is that I am really bad a pronunciations. I probably meant to say San Graal, but my speech makes it sound Shanghai-La.
@@sg-24 That’s fair enough and I too am guilty of it. I’m quite impressed you took the time to reply to me, not many UA-camrs would! No hard feelings I hope, cheers lad!
No hard feelings. I always try and respond to comments in some way, especially if is legit criticism.
I would have loved that the creators of the show would have dared to drag it one step further and say "Last time a prior was on Earth you crucifyed him".
Implying that Jesus was a prior and for some reason that they could have explored more to why the priors never went back.
@theblackgoatofthewoods not sure how would I feel about that. Would have been an interesting route for them to go, but not sure if it would line up with the timeline.
@@sg-24 I mean if Sokar was Satan. If a prior got sendt here to inspect what was going on...
The timeline is a bit messed up since some Goa'Ulds seems to have been here even after Ra left and didn't he outlaw anyone to come back?
@the lackgoadofthewood that’s a good point I suppose. Maybe when SG comes back they can finally do a story about Jesus and what went on there.
@@sg-24 All they need are writers who dares to "annoy" the evangelicals in America.
Because they will be sour
But before i watch this later , they started as a serious threat their powers are real and i dont think it was a good idea to provoke them in a military conflict. You bring guns to a dog fight
Earth has the longest strings of religions cohabitating for centuries after centuries of persecution. If you are a catholic and want to visit India , you will buy tokens that represent worshiping Harikrishna . Head over to Spain and you will find idols worshiping Montezuma
How could they asend? Being good is requirement
@clubx1000 actually no, being good doesn’t seem like a requirement. Anubis was able to ascend, and he’s not good.
This is false and has been stated many times to be so. Natural ascension is simply a biological state of being - the next evolutionary step, once your physiology is advanced enough you will be able to ascend, regardless of your personal morality/philosophy
Oh and the crusades lasted 196 years not 2 years 🙄. Really should take what you say with a spoonful of salt in these videos!
You do know I was talking about the Ori Crusade in the show right? The one where the Ori launch attacks on the Milky Way that happened in the last two season of show. The ones the lasted two years.
@@sg-24 Fair enough point, I was kinda half asleep at the time so I’ll admit I got that one completely mixed up and I was wrong.
Oh that’s fine. All this week I’ve almost fallen asleep multiple times.
One of the biggest problems. Technology tends to War, Religion tends to peace.
The Crusades would like a word
@@Outworlder Only when religion becomes government with a standing army then do you have to worry about a general taking advantage of a religion to further their agenda of world conquest. The Crusade worked for the King the Church was a tool of a king. Technology of warfare makes a King have the power of Technology you can control the media and the church. Technology is the way of war look at Elon Musk, Soros, Bezos and many other high tech companies. Why is Ukraine still fighting it's war? Technology.
lol wut?
@@Red1Green2Blue3 New Bond villain in real life Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum watch his speech. That there is the Globalist NAZI's trying to change the world in 10 years to Communism. Only two ways to to change the world. Really good science that improves everyones quality of life. Or World War. Religion has little to do with this, only the tyranny of evil men have everything to do with it.
😂😂😂😂 you haven’t studied much history
Gee, THIS IS A copy of CHRONICLES of RIDDICK with his kinfolk coverted to dead warriors. Naw. Glad tomiss this part of SG1.
I didn't like the Ori, they were too overpowered.
dUDE, COME UP WOTH SOME ORIGINAL WORDS. wE HAVE ALL WATCHED sTARGATE AND WE DONT NEED A REGURGITATION OF THE WORDS FROM THE SERIES
I’m a little confused by what you mean. I get what you are saying, but if I am going to do lore video for the Ori for example and I have to cover their history/story I’m going to need to describe what happened. I can’t just change words around as I found that it can lead to me describing a different event than actually happened.
@@sg-24 ...its ok brother...he knows not of what he speaks.
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