The DOWNFALL of DC Animation
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2024
- DC Animation has consistently been a beloved medium for adapting classic DC Comics stories. Series such as Batman: The Animated Series, Justice League Unlimited, Teen Titans, Young Justice, and Batman Beyond have emerged as some of the most popular DC cartoons. However, as time has passed, there seems to be a noticeable decline in the overall quality of DC Animation. The current DC Animated Movie Universe, known as the TomorrowVerse, is expected to conclude with the Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths trilogy in 2024. Inspired by DC Comics source material, this trilogy will feature a wide array of characters from the DCU multiverse, including Batman, Superman, The Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and many more. The closure of this universe is likely due to the emergence of James Gunn's DCU and its highly interconnected nature, marking a departure from the structure of the DCEU.
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They're obsessed with 3 things:
1. Heroes start killing
2. Heroes start dying
3. Heroes turn villains
Like there isn’t a massive wealth of villains to use already! Batman has more villains than the joker and Harley Quinn. Clayface would be terrifying in live action. Metallo would be a nightmare. We didn’t even get Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom in a movie that clearly needed him.
I'm still waiting for the Cowl storyline to be animated. The one where Rick becomes Batman and Bruce is permadead.
That is more a Marvel problem.
@@mayotango1317 on paper maybe, but what I meant is DC did it in an edgy way, like they were serious and think it's cool, but really it's just cringe
Problem is not heroes killing...but not using villians the proper way...
E.g season 1 to 3 joker...giving them troubles..
4 to 6 ...lex luther..
7 to 9 penguin .
They have a glass full with villians...only stuck with joker or lex as if thy dnt hv other villians to give heroes proper challenge
Batgirl smashing Batman was beyond cringe and disturbing. It was akin to watching a father sleep with their sons wife after mentoring and teaching everything
It was the original fans wet dream come true lol. I say let them have their moment
They turned Bruce Wayne into a groomer and expected us to be cool with it. Not only is she her apprentice and has been since she was underage, but she was the daughter of his friend and the ex-girlfriend of his son. That's something I expect to watch in Jerry Springer, not batman.
@@ramonserna8089 facts. The more you think of the depth of the surrounding relationships of the matter. It only becomes worst
Let the og Batman fans have their fun n fantasy come to life lmfao
@@Adoniss99no
The Catwoman short had such deep character work that it took a few watches for me to fully understand it
Did it require as many pauses and loops too?
Sauce? Link? It's for uhhhh scientific research purposes on uh....human anatomy....yeah 🧐
Yo, FRFR, I ain’t never even SEEN that till now!!! What was the name of that??? LOL
10 year old me really went in depth in analyzing that short, so much deep characterization.
0:17 who the hells is that guy
They don't make them like they use to. They use to put heart into the project in the 2000 but now it just about making money
Marvel villains are better than dc villains in my opinion
It was always about the money, they just lost the talents that made these movies, those in charge change and well you can´t keep up a good record for long all the time.
most of the idiots who ran the marvel animated movies ended up at DC animation, that's basically why the more new ones suck, as the old guard are retiring and dying, the new crowd haven't the talent to save their lives and plus with DIE being forced in all entertainment is doomed....
@NHTube1 that's wild to me personally as some DC villains are some of the most thought provoking I've heard or seen of. Mr.Freeze, Captain Cold and the Joker are three quick ones that comes to mind
@@jonathancasais6491 DC has good villains but Doctor Doom and Magneto are the best comic book villains ever made.
Dwayne McDuffie passing away was a huge blow to DC animation. Bruce Timm and Alan Burnett were giving Dwayne more and more responsibilities. Dwayne became the head writer of Justice League and he was writing most of the straight to DVD animated movies. Bruce and Alan were preparing to pass the torch to Dwayne and let him lead DC animation.
Would’ve been great
Paul Dini is also a very capable writer that has contributed to great animated DC stories.
Apparently he was in talks to make a theatrical Static movie too after the success of All-Star Superman on dvd 😔 The man was a legend
Static has been in the Hollywood pipeline for almost 30 years. It's supposedly the reason Static lost the Malcolm X cap.
@deadpilled2942 he looked dumb wearing that cap. His look from the show is iconic along with his lightning symbol.
DC’s animated films and shows is what got me into comics in the first place, so it’s sad to see that the quality isn’t what it should be. I’m not sure what WB is doing, but I really hope they get their act together.
they thought the Nu52 was a good idea and acting as a hedge fund not a movie company.
Completely agree. Animation got me in dc too and some of my favorite dcau movies are very old. Hope they get that
Marvel villains are better than dc villains
@NHTube1 mhmm it really depends if you look at comics, films or others. It really changes
WB isn't willing to spend money on animation. And things are not going to get better because Zaslav has cut WB animation by about 50% since he took over.
I like Kevin Conroy as much as the next Batman fan but every single line in the dark knight returns Peter Weller delivers is absolute perfection!
Agreed. That was a Batman I just don’t see Conroy doing, despite him being the GOAT. Returns Batman needed that certain sound
Agreed, bro those Fims are just perfect.
Kevin Conroy > Bruce Greenwood > Peter Weller all of them are goated
@@raidaz7557 hey don't forget Rodger Craig Smith.
Optimus??
The catwoman film also connected with me emotionally as well
it really connected my hand with my private parts
Less unique art styles is so true. Especially in video games where everyone’s shooting for realism.
ikr pokemon is the biggest offender of this.
Trying to stay realistic & grounded I think is where DC fails in every media regard. Once they understand that’s where Marvel has succeeded where they keep failing, I think they may get back on track.
@@Blanktester685 How is pokemon an offender of this? Its always been pretty generic in artstyle, nothing has changed.
_Deathstroke Knights & Dragons_ was a suprising Masterpiece, But when you consider:
A) It was made by CW, not by Warner
B) Got stuck in Hiatus for 7 months due to Warner interference
*it's no hard to See How much disregard Warner has for DC Animated Media in recent times*
Marvel villains are better than dc villains in my opinion
@@NHTube1imo they’re both great, I wish people would stop saying one is better, they’re both awesome villains
@@brewmaster2912 👍🏿
You're opinion is💩
Knights and Dragons was rough in my opinion. Most of the dialogue was clunky exposition, and it kinda missed the mark on portraying Deathstroke. Not to mention how it handled things with Slade and his wife. The eye already being gone while he’s with her was already a bad sign.
It not just dc it everywhere , it like American animation keep getting lazier, where most comic book animation look like it was ripped off archer
That explains why anime and manga has become more and more popular in America.
@@hermos3602I don't understand the idea that it's a competition. My 2 favorite franchises rn are DC and One Piece. Why can't people just enjoy both? That's why I am baffled by people that say stuff like "Western comics are dead! Manga on top! Out with the old!". When did we as fans decide we can't like two things at once?
@@hermos3602Meanwhile, all anime UA-camrs have the same "modern anime is bad" gimmick. With only One Piece being considered still good.
@sumnahlennon5449 which is bullshit since OP has the same problems as most modern anime of hype, set up, and usually mediocre pay off.
@@jaegerwhatifs4679 because in recent times western creatives/writes and fans have been fighting each other, with one side calling the other woke and another side calling them sexist, and all kind of phobes. I'm not surprised it has turned out like this. ( not to mention dc has been dropping the ball a lot.)
The early DC animated movies were such big events that they had whole Comic Con panels about them. The announcements got the entire hall of people cheering because they used to be so good. The direct adaptations actually emulated the art styles of the original comic. In two occasions, the original comic writers wrote the movie adaptations: Under the Red Hood and Superman vs the Elite. Bruce Timm’s era of the movies were special. People like Dwayne McDuffie, Alan Burnett, and Stan Berkowitz all helped make the movies what they were. The DC Showcases are actually still around and some of my favorite current DC animation.
That's been one of my major problems recently. They don't even bother trying to adapt the artwork of the era. Long Halloween would've been utterly insane with the style from that book, but instead it was shoehorned into conforming to the Tomorrowverse.
@@a_fine_edition2746agreed totally ruined it for me honestly, it deserved same treatment as killing joke and TDKR with art style 💯
@@a_fine_edition2746 Well, animated Long Halloween also sucks for changing the ending. The original comic’s final few pages is personally one of my biggest “jaw hit the floor” reactions, it caught me off guard completely. The animated movie ruins it by over explaining it and ruining all ambiguity and adding so much unnecessary stuff. It’s like the movie writers were too afraid to let a story exist where Batman and by extension the audience don’t figure everything out.
Year One, Under the Red Hood (I badly wanted a sequel or have it be in the Young Justice universe) and Return of the Joker were so damn good.
@@doctordoom85this is the problem with most comic movies now. DC being the worst offender. They have so little faith in the source material that they force the straw man hypothetical “casual fan” feeling for dumbing down the story.
Funny how Flash have so much interresting Character arcs and Sagas in his Comic but DC just says "YO... Y'ALL STILL LIKE FLASHPOINT RIGHT???"
I *hate* Flashpoint
Like Bruh
Man I hated the Hush animated movie. I loved the comic, but as soon as it was revealed that it was part of the DCAMU, I knew it was going to suffer.
just because of the riddler twist? Sorry havent watched majority of that universe
killing joke was worse to me. Didn't even bother, when they defended the batgirl batman thing. disgusting and when i started caring less
@@w1-em4nq fr man i wouldve called killing joke decent if they didnt shoehorn Batgirl and Batman romance
DC shouldn't have split the animated universe so much, it just gave too much reason to be stupid about it, if anythng elseworlds shoulda been the only other universe but they just made it stupid like running the death of superman story 2X....
red son woulda been cool if there wasn't so many versions of evil superman lol it's all become a big joke really just like everything else in entertainment!
@@w1-em4nqFr shit was so unnecessary
Batman of Shanghai was too peak for this world
I'm glad someone is bringing this to light. I still see people saying "DC's animation is unmatched" and sadly that just hasn't been true for years.
But DC Animation is unmatched, atleast at its peak, you can’t tell me any animated project from Marvel was remotely close to touching Films like Under the Red Hood or Superman vs Elite
@skymanxd6366 personally, Hulk Vs and Planet Hulk are really underrated. They were getting into a groove with their movies before they got shutdown after the Disney buyout. I think James Tucker is great but the DC movies they made under his tenure fell off from how they were under Bruce Timm.
@@skymanxd6366 Are we excluding theatrical? Because both Spider-verse films would be better IMHO. But if we are excluding theatrical, then yeah, those DC Animated films, and quite a few others, beat the shit out of Marvel’s short attempt at straight-to-video animated films. Like, a few were fairly good, but that’s about it.
@@dillbert4084 Iron Man Rise of Technovore > the lame ass & boring MCU trilogy
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 I'll take Avengers Confidential over the Black Widow movie
Let’s not forget that the old DC animated movies had Japanese animation studios working with them such as MOI Animations who were a huge part of the movies as well as the first two seasons of Young Justice. With the departure of MOI as well as their head director Jay Oliva, Warner Bros decided to use their own animation studio and out source their animations across Korea.
I been saying the animation and writing has been terrible for years, with only a few good few films like Batman assault on Arkham. I knew they downgraded their animation budget but I didn’t know they outsourced their past animations, that explains a lot and it’s a shame WB replaced Moi with a subpar company.
I wish the Public Enemies added the part when Superman told Batman he's faster than a phone call.
Thanks I'll read the comic now
Tbh, the Tomorrowverse felt like a speed run like,
The 3 films I knew about was
Man of tomorrow, the long Halloween pt 1 and 2, and justice society ww2.
These 3 films i haven't had the chance to watch but was planning to, then next thing I knew dozens of additional films were made and now we are in a crisis event 🤣🤣
you're not wrong because the tomorrowverse came out in 2020 and will end this year
@kingkiryu
yep and I think what is worst the fact, I have heard all the other films follow a very similar story line of having a twist villain, idk if that is true or not but that kinda sounds like they gave all the Tomorrowverse films the Disney/Pixar villain treatment 😂😂😂
Watch em. I personally love showing friends justice society
That’s because the whole of the tomorrowverse only existed to setup the crisis movie
@@briandoyle1168that's like the best movie from Tomorrowverse & the WHOLE thing is trash, because all the events take place in a very fast time-line but where are the SOLO movies?
In my opinion the old DC movies from back in the day had the sauce is because they had people like Lauren Montgomery, Sam Liu , Jay Oliva and Brandon Vietti working on and directing these movies, every since DC movies lost these folks it just gone downhill ever since.
What are you talking about? They still directed the new ones like jay oliva did dark apocalypse war
@@samdeepak1991 Lauren Montgomery and Brandon Vietti last directed movies were Batman Under the Red Hood and Justice League Doom which both came out in 2010 and 2012 so these two are definitely not part of DC anymore, Sam Liu last directed movie was Batman Soul of the Dragon which came out in 2021 so he's been gone for a while now and Jay Oliva didn't direct Justice League Apkolips War that was Matt Peters and Christina Sotta
Anyone else find it odd how the J.L had a problem with Batman's contingencies plans in J.L Doom, even though it was a sequel to Crisis On Two Earths where the literally fought EVIL versions of themselves?
i guess they were like " they're us from an alternative universe, we'll never become this" 😂
Was it really a sequel though? The art style was the same, but I don't think the voice actors were all the same, particularly Batman.
Jl doom was worse than the comic for aure
@@a_fine_edition2746 it was intended to be, footage from Two Earths were shown to be the intro for Doom.
Really the only thing done with Doom that is different is having the iconic actors of
Tim Daly
Kevin Conroy
Susan Eisenberg
Michael Rosenbaum
Carl Lumbly
Khary Payton and Nathan Fillion return to their roles. It was something of a Showcase DC's Best before the Flashpoint Reunion Feature.
It combined the following best qualities.
Phil Borassa's artstyle, the Iconic Teen Titans and GL: Emerald Knights actor with Susan, Carl and Michael joining Tim & Kevin once again, on the villain side the JLU guys also reprised and we got to see one of J'onn's villains for once too outside of the Imperium and a formless drone of white filling in the spot of Commander Blanx. That said...they really should have just done a full JLU reunion thing and made it make sense for JLU at that point...like just have a throwaway line about how offscreen Wally rescued Barry one day and Wally decided to take a leave of absence to investigate that Park Girl he likes instead, and have Cyborg say a "well since John's in space right now he asked me to fill in" kinda thing.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 You mean the story line or how the J.L handled Batman's plans? I haven't read Tower Of Babel
The ending of the dcamu...which could have exploded into something huge if they simply stayed the path that Reign of the Superman was going(spoiler alert, it was headed towards SCW and blackest night). Ending all that for the Tomorrowverse has got to be the biggest disappointment in the history of DC animation.
Damn, seeing Blackest Night done in the DCAMU's animation would have been fire.
@@kira-dk2mx The whole path leading up to it would have been amazing to see animated. Zero hour, rebirth, Sinestro corps war in animation gives me chills to think about.
What is SCW?
@@windghost2 Sinestro corps war
@@joshjones9749 OH! My bad.
It's like a company hears that people like something more and they go." I wonder how we can make this not just worse but absolutely awful?"
While DC animation isn't as good nowadays as they used to be at their peak, DC animation is still better than the live action DC films. I honestly think that the tomorrowverse films aren't bad at all. They just feel rushed because, apparently, next year, all DC animated content will be connected to the upcoming DCU, which I feel is a bad idea due to limiting DC animation and media to just the DCU prevents room for other good DC stories to form. Hopefully, DC animation won't just be limited to the DCU. Side note: Catwoman was definitely unlikable in the Batman Hush animated movie to the point that Batman was just better off without her.
6:28 Batman isn't allowed to go down on Catwoman but somehow _this_ was acceptable.
The Gotham Knight anthology is some of the best anime ever. It's so good in both story telling and animation quality it's insane.
I genuinely wonder if under the red hood didn’t do well or something. Like why the fuck did we never see another animated red hood.
Yea it’s actually insane. I was really hoping for a red hood plot line in young justice after they cameod Jason’s memorial hologram but it went nowhere.
DC seems allergic to giving the time of day to the other Robins besides Dick or Damian
@@bemiatto67well no shit. Dick or Damien aren’t controversial Robin’s. Why would they waste time and efforts on a Robin that exists just to argue with Batman’s philosophy’s every waking second? It’s usually either he and Todd find common ground. Or Todd goes loose cannon. Well no he his still more respected than kate kane. Nevermind.
Under the red hood was the first I watched and it won me over as a result I have watched all over the past few years and he's right it really went down hill. Really wanted another red hood film but D.C. had other plans lol
@@DarkEclipse23I like Damian Wayne tho he's a mini red hood. If he went rogue becasue that Lil kid is an assassin by blood Raj al gouls grandson he got that dog in him lol
Any one else fell the same bout magneto and rouge as Batman and batgirl
Yep magneto and rouge was weird
This is an excellent comparison. The reason why it doesn't make sense is because of the previous XMen '92 series focusing on evolution of Rogue & Remy relationship.
Nope
WB fucking up at the finish line seems to be a running gag at this point. I don't hate the tomorrowverse, but the dcamu definitely could have gone on longer. The fights in those movies were fire and I loved the animation style. The tomorrowverse was barely allowed to cook before they're shuttering it for that half-ass cinematic universe that WB thinks Gunn can save.
I mean, I have a lot of faith in Gunn and most of the projects sound promising compared to the DCEU (which did have some highs, but enough major fumbles that it did need a reboot), but you can’t blame him for the tomorrowverse ending. The people behind it said WB gave them only 10 movies to make before it would end with Crisis, so this was already the plan several years prior to making Gunn one of the heads behind the DCU.
i've wanted a strange visitor superman movie, a dc 1 million movie if not series, a wonder animated series, wildstorm universe series, the rest of the dakota verse like icon or hardwire, a captain atom movie, a martian manhunter movie, a red lantern ova series that based on the new 52 red lantern, DCeased, a flash animated series and gods and monsters animated series. I'm not asking for too much DC. You have the money. Just do it. I'm literally asking for DC to become profitable. They're literally sitting on a fat ass gold mine.
Damn, now I want this too
RIP DCAU, Dwayne McDuffie, and Paul Dini
Paul Dini isn’t dead
I don't really see any problems with that Catwoman scene in Hush movie. It made sense to me. Catwoman was simply too tired of Batman's uncompromising urge to save every single villain no matter how bad they are.
She was even willing to change for the better for Bruce but sadly Bruce would never do the same for her.
Also......Man of Tomorrow movie was pretty damn good tbh.
Surprisingly Xmen 97's is better than most of DC's recent animated movies.
We're on a creative downfall across the board, I don't really see things getting better any time soon.
I too am guilty of rewatching that Catwoman short as a kid
I really dont like Tomorrowverse's Archer looking artstyle, it just doesnt fit an action superhero movie with all the thick outlines.
This is exactly what I was feeling about I don't get excited for DC animation anymore and I was wondering why is that and you did a such a good job explaining things thank you I hope we get the golden days back from DC animation only time will tell
I've literally been saying this for years! Almost everything after Flashpoint Paradox has just been progressively getting worse
Hey the Super Sons and Batman: The Doom that came to Gotham are great examples of what great animated movies should be and another movie I want to add in is Batman: Gotham by Gaslight
James Gunn said he would make animated project that connect with the new DCU.
Public Enemies had a part when Dead Shot runs up to Bat man just to get punched. It was so god damn dumb.
That's funny
It's really weird hearing them curse
I don't care, I'm watching them anyway
Some of us have standards and would rather not consume garbage.
Take yo standards and shove it my boi
I’ve been saying for a while now since the old animated universe ended. I actually enjoyed that universe and thought it was really good. Now I don’t even bother anymore.
13:45 Seeing Wonder Woman actually demonstrate that physicality had me feeling some type of way.
DC/WB just doesn't care they have been lacking in most regards especially where they dominated animationed movies dropped the ball hard as hell (especially the diverse art styles inspired by the artist to the same artstyle) and let's not talk about games.
Toonami home of all DC heroes
The only thing that survived is the tomorrowverse animated masterpieces.
The DCEU failed not bc a lack of 1:1 storylines, it failed bc WB rushed it , kept making changes, admitted to not having a plan but the original guy they hired did. And he wanted MoS2 & the solo Batman movie before BvS. WB wanted BvS , the Trinity, & death of. He delivered and WB botched it. And it’s not the only or last DCEU movie they botched.
Greed killed the DCEU. More times playing in theaters gave the fat cats incentive to cut the runtimes down. BvS, SS1, JL. Imagine if Infinity War & Endgame were cut in half and that was how thy were until the directors cuts came out.
WB not giving enough money to finish cgi/VFX & being headstrong with the release dates, rewrites, etc.
WB sucked ever since Reeves’ 3rd movie. Constant corporate meddling.
There are a few exceptions, the two Keaton Batman films, and the Nolan trilogy. And the first Wonder Woman movie. But otherwise yeah, WB has botched every other film.
12:19 ive been saying this for years all they had to do is just follow what the animated movies did. Just flesh it out a bit narratively
13:45 Once again i agree. Wonder Woman some of the best fight scenes in the animated universe. Her fight against Doomsday in the Flashpoint animated universe was actually top tier as well as her and Big Barda against the furies in the Supergirl movie with Darkseid. She actually cleans tf up
I didn't mind them changing Hush to Riddler in this adaptation...he was behind the whole thing in the comics anyway so it wasn't totally out of left field to just cut out the middle man. Also, Riddler is my favorite character of all time, so...I might be biased. 😆
3:39 I don’t get why the cartoons can’t be connected but have diffrent art styles. That’s literally how comics works. So why can’t it be done in the cartoons??? I think it’s just laziness more than anything.
Because no one should have to fuc king do homework to watch a movie. just because you have all the time to watch all the cartoons doesn’t mean everyone else does.
@@DarkEclipse23 and yet both B:TAS first 3 seasons are in a different style than it's 4th "TNBA" which was redesigned to look like Superman:TAS and both are connected.
@@DarkEclipse23sounds like a you problem and not a writing problem 🤷🏾♂️
I’m enjoying the crisis on infinite earths run. In recent time the long Halloween also stands out as a great film.
What’s interesting about the upcoming DCU Creature Commandos will be done by the French animation studio Bobbypills.
Lmao don’t they make p*rn? Why is dc working with a p*rn cartoon studio???? 😂😂😂
Lore of The DOWNFALL of DC Animation momentum 100
What expect from James GUNN running everything DC over at studio.
dc means don't care
Justice league: Action is actually really good, aimed at a younger audience, but the characters are on point and the fights are p cool
Yeah even there is no story just dc heroes fight bad guys in random episodes still more enjoyable than there last animated content
This is so funny, that I just posted about how much DC Animation has been lacking lately, and this video popped up in my feed. Are you on any other socials?
12:23 I’m surprised that the DC animated movies go straight to DVD & don’t release in theaters.
Dude That CATWOMAN scene made a 100% sense. I loved it because she pointed out exactly how Insane on the other side Bruce is he's Gandhi to an extreme end, because of his PTSD which he calls "The Code" ~ Batman should get over it at some point, ever since Red Hood movie i stopped liking Batman for this very reason.
3:03 📸📸 caught you lacking
I here just to see DC's final downfall so Marvel can buy Wonder Woman ,Bane, Batman, The Joker, Mr. Freeze, Ra's , Hawkgirl, Darkseid, Raven, and maybe a few more. The problem with DC is that they created their entire universe and its ridiculous rules around an outdated overpowered character that makes zero sense.
Wonder Woman bodying Superwoman was so badass
I really had no problem with Riddler being Hush. Honestly, better than Hush being absolutely wasted in Arkham Knight AND also "It's definitely NOT Jason Todd" being Jason Todd. I'd rather be surprised, sometimes, if it mostly makes sense. And I think that made enough sense. Would the original story have been better? Maybe. I'm not a huge comic fan, so sometimes just seeing a comic basically animated is pretty cool... but sometimes tweaking things makes them better. Teen Titans does the BEST version of the Judas Contract, imo. I've also seen the movie AND the comic. The show did it best. (Especially since it didn't have the weird sexual relationship between Slade and Terra. I honestly don't remember if it was just maybe implied in the movie or not, so maybe I read into it and misread it... but there wasn't even an implication to misread in the show, and that's way better, imo)
(Also, 99% sure I at least saw the Comicstorian Complete Story on the Hush comics... but it honestly didn't stick with me that much. Neither did the movie. So I don't really care if people have a preference for one over the other, either way.)
I've also never had a problem with Batman and Batgirl. From what I remember, she seemed to maybe kinda have a crush on him in the series, then it was confirmed in Batman Beyond, then we saw it in TKJ. I get there's an age difference and a lot of people care about that... but for multiple reasons, I don't. 1) Maturity matters more than age to me. Nobody would have a problem with someone who was 1 MILLION years old being with someone 2 million, would they? But 10 & 20 is very different. 20 & 40? Depends on the people. That's where maturity matters. Which basically brings me into 2) She's Barbara freakin' Gordon. Of all the people who could be properly mature enough at 20 to sleep with someone who's 40, she's at the top of the list, imo. And 3) they're fictional characters so it matters a lot less. But also, 4) He didn't force himself on her. He didn't abuse his power or authority or anything. He didn't try to persuade her, with bribery, blackmail, or even honeyed words. False promises of love and commitment. Nothing. She went after him, didn't she?
And although we apparently don't fully mature until ~25 due to our brain still like growing and changing and stuff or whatever... technically, at 18 you can sleep with anyone older than you. Be they 20 or 20 billion. You can sign up to fight and die for your country. In other countries you can drink younger than that. (I don't remember how smoking laws changed. Can't remember if it's still 18 for tobacco but 21 for weed or what but whatever) But in DC comics? In GOTHAM? You mature faster. You have to grow up quicker to survive the crime and corruption. And Barbara had a good dad (or 2, kind of)... and was Batgirl for years. If she wanted to sleep with Bruce, and Bruce consented, too... who are we to complain? Hell, I'm not even sure Jim Gordon would complain. I think he'd trust his adult daughter to make her own decisions.
And again, they're FICTIONAL. I think people care way too much. But even if this WAS REAL, and TKJ was a documentary or something... why do you care what two consenting adults do? It doesn't affect you, does it?
Plus, there's a clip from an interview out there I just saw in a Watchtower Database video the other day where Bruce Timm literally says something along the lines of, "I don't promote this ship. The scene in question is supposed to be a MISTAKE." And I think he said something about the soundtrack indicating that or something? But like, woo, 2 consenting adults made a mistake. Maybe that's why Barbara tells Terry it didn't work out and stuff. She didn't seem to have fond memories of their brief relationship. People make mistakes. Even superheroes. And it's way better writing when they're allowed to make those mistakes and grow from them.
I really think people need to pull their heads out of their asses and get over this.
Honestly, despite me thinking Wonder Woman is the best love interest Batman has EVER had... Barbara Gordon would probably be the best for Bruce. I just don't think he's great for her. Or pretty much anyone. But I think both Catwoman and WW can handle his flaws really well. Selina clearly isn't the best for him, especially after the failed wedding... but they've always been on again, off again anyway... And Talia literally drugged him and forced herself on him to have a child he never consented to. Like, Barbara is 5 million times better than her. And I don't even hate that ship. I think Batman is actually really good for Talia. Almost to the same extent Barbara would be good for Bruce. But those are basically one way beneficial relationships. Wonder Woman is the only one who might be good for both Bruce and Batman, and have both be good for her, imo. (Although Andrea Beaumont was good for a time... that clearly didn't work out)
Barbara is just way too weird from Batman's perspective imo. That's literally your best bud's kid, which in most continuities you've watched grow up for a while. Not to mention half the time she's your adoptive son's ex-girlfriend. He's way more of a father figure to her than anything else, and I really don't think Gordon would be all that happy that his kid is dating his friend. It would not only feel like a betrayal of trust but it would just be extremely uncomfortable.
You care too much about Batman. What about WW with Superman and more love interests for other superheroes? The current ones, like Lois Lame, are boring.
@@patrickmiano7901 If Superman dates Wonder Woman that becomes even more boring than you feel Lois Lane is.
Think about it- if Clark dates Diana...that's the same as saying "only two people with superpowers can date and only because they're super strong".
Essentially by shipping Wonder Woman with Superman you are saying Superman should be a "Zod" and that is what Diana wants him to be as well. Superman himself said he's not "a Zod." Lois keeps him humble and human after he leaves the farm to live his own life, Ma and Pa raised him, and he went on to make his own life with Lois...the two became one when they married...after co-parenting that photographer friend of theirs for so long.
Everything you said is true people just want something to complain about
Batman soul dragon and batman tmnt was🔥🔥🔥
When I look at the recent animated films, especially the Batman ones, I realize DC only knows how to draw the face of one man only 😭
unpopular opinion... we need a season 5 for young justice... or a true reboot of teen titans... actually Static Shock deserves some love too.
Idk maybe im bias but the tommorow verse had some bangers, the justice society felt so good and even though the superman film had flaws, it felt so genuine with its portrayl of the guy that i cant hate it.
I also really liked the art style, more simple yes but the line work gave it a true "comic book" feel. Tho ive had issues with some projects like the john Stuarts green lantern movie trying to cram such large stories into on film and Warworld (would have been better off having them all share Clarks simulation the entire movie due to it having the mose engaing story beats) I think tommorowverse isnt some black sheep.
Personally for me I am hoping really hoping that we get back more Dc animated shows and movies like battle of the super sons young justice and of course my adventures of superman.
I was a fan of Young Justice but since its revival, it just feels like a mix of padding and pandering. Also way too many characters that splits the focus, get too much / too little attention or dilute the storyline.
I think My Adventures with Superman is the exception to this downward trend. Sure, it has some problems, but it NAILS Superman’s character.
That, and Clark and Lois are ADORABLE in the show.
I watched some clips of the tomorrowverse crisis on infinite earths... WHY WONT SOMEONE BLINK, LIKE PLEASE BLINK OR SOMETHING, ITS JUST UNNATURAL
The art style looks really bad and the animation looks like invincible levels of stiff and sliding PNG's, idk I grew up on DCAMU and superman Doomsday so I'm more used to charactere blinking
Even Characters in Video Games like Fighting Games at least Blink.
@@hurricane7727 TERRARIA CHARACTERS BLINK, AND TERRARIA IS ENTIRELY MADE OF PIXEL ART WHERE 1 PIXEL IS AN NPCS EYE AND THE OTHER PIXEL IS THE EYE LID LASH WHATEVER
@@blametheghost How come a Animated movie can't do what a Video game can do then? That's weird
@@hurricane7727 idk, animating a 2 pixel eye takes a Min of 7 mouse clicks
Animating a hand drawn image, digital or traditional, takes over 30 Minutes min
7:40 I don't agree fully with this point, tons of anime end up very different from the source material. FMA03 is a good example
They did that because the manga didn’t have content at the time. What r some other examples
Batman/Superman: Public Enemies was a fantastic movie. I've always believed that Batman and Superman work best together as friends. Their powersets and personalities play off very well. Batman and Superman as enemies or mere collegues is quite boring and played out.
Agreed
DC Animation has still had some amazing projects in recent years. The DCAMU was mostly very good with Death of Superman & Apokolips war being peak as well as some really fun Teen Titans movies. The Tomorrowverse has Superman Man of Tomorrow & Justice Society WW2 as well as the Long Halloween movies which are all fantastic. My Adventures With Superman & The Harley Quinn show has have been fire. Gotham by Gaslight & Superman Red Son were very well done Elseworlds. Battle of the Super Sons was a fun movie. Crisis on Infinite Earths 1 was a little bit of a letdown but still good. The 2 animated Adam West Batman movies were a blast. Even TTG to the Movies & TTG vs Teen Titans were super fun. DC animation has still had great stuff in recent years just not enough focus put into it or consistency put into it
Why are tou talking so fast?
lol ur typing too fast
Just like the comics, it all went down hill after Flashpoint with New 52 designs and PowerPoint slides.
Wow… awesome video here. Well done brother keep it up
Everything went downhill after DCAMU. I loved those movies more than Marvel, Star Wars, DC. Or any other live action cinematic universe. The only reason I read comics now is because of the DCAMU, and Invincible.
My 12 favorites :)
1. Wonder woman 2009
2. JL: Crisis on two earths
3. JL: Doom
4. Batman: Under the hood
5. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
6. Batman vs tmnt
7. Superman vs the elite
8. Superman/batman: Apocalypse
9. Green lantern: Emerald knights
10. Green lantern: 1st flight
11. JL: New frontier
12. JL: Flashpoint paradox
Hopefully, it can pickup the pace now that X-men 97 got people drooling again. BTAS continued in the comics, so we definitely can do this. It can either go like the suicide squad game, or james gunn's animated series can definitely help.
X-Mem 97 graphics and movement sucks.
X-men 97?? HAHAHA *X-men 97 is disliked on channels like this.*
X-men 97 is also ripped apart for bad art
Most UA-camrs are saying "X-men 97 has woke agenda." And you are on a UA-cam channel that is predominantly negative
@@sumnahlennon5449as an artist I don’t get the bad art complaints. I haven’t actually watched the series but I’ve seen several clips and it looks really good imo especially the fight animation. What aspect of it is bad?
I popped for when Wonder Woman just casually gave Superwoman an elbow drop.
What's the name of that anime at 7:29 ? Great vid btw.
Jujutsu Kaisen that specific clip is from the movie. :)
its funny that marvel might be getting the best animation now lol.
Shut up. DC CREATED Marvel. DC is better at EVERYTHING than Marvel
@@karimdavis7065 and yet X-men 97 is doing better
They also have a tendency to drag things out too far. The Light in Young justice, and Miss Martians whole telepathy thing and overusing her powers. Why the heck couldn't they have ended the Light arc in the 3rd season or please the second season? Because they wanted an excuse to milk the story lines. Easy to bring it back when they run into a hiccup or need to shoehorn an excuse when they have too big a roster and some are missing. Miss Martian's sub-plot with telepathy drove me mad. She brain dead's someone her uncle is actively "interviewing" and NO ONE SPEAKS UP!!!?? Talk about inconsistent writing! Had we not gone over how potentially dangerous she could be in the first season? At least the movies I can view as standalone despite being in the same "verse" so I can give them leeway when they are inconsistent... but honestly this is the reason I stopped reading the comics too. I got tired of watching my fav characters being re-written into generic plots that made no sense for the characters.
I will always Defend the BTAS/Superman the Animated Series/Justice League/Justice League Unlimited/the first 2 seasons of Young Justice as the greatest pieces of Animation DC ever made.
But after Marvel's What if series came and despite having average at best writing,the animation legitimately was a major improvement in Western style animation especially when it came to comic book media.
Idk what it is But DC legitimately has stayed stagnant for over a 2 decades and havent really made any true drastic leaps when it comes to their animation styles.
And dont even get me started on the bad writing on the films that took after the New 52.
I swear the new 52 is one of the worst reboots to have struck DC,especially with the media surrounding it forced to adhere to it.
They had DC animation before Batman the Animated Series.
keep the hard work up dawg
teen titans go is peak media that show is so wack that you cant help but enjoy it
I couldn't even finish Warworld. The characters were butchered, and Batman was clearly written as "Dean Winchester with a bat belt buckle" just because they got the actor to do his voice.
Just comparing the writing for the crime syndicate in two earths compared to the ones in the crisis adaptation shows you how much things have gone downhill.
They dropped the ball with Court of Owls as well
This has been the case for 10 yrs now. Everytime someone mentions DC animation movies being good, the last good one they can think of was flashpoint
It seems like everything after Flashpoint was at most, just average. I miss the days of the Bruce Timm-verse, the hard Batman movies (The Dark Knight Returns, Under The Red Hood, Mask of the Phantasm), The Justice League stand alone films (Flashpoint, Doom, Crisis on Two Earths) - it just went downhill after a certain point and hopefully, they can revive the greatness in the same manner as the people behind X-Men '97 did with that show....
Batman and Batgirl was a crime
Marvel is slowly starting to kick their asses in animation with What If and X-Men 97.
The Miles Morales trilogy is all Marvel needs to dominate DC. DC has never made anything at that level.
The thing I loved about Justice League unlimited was how it focused on characters I'd never heard of. The series that focused on the main founding members was cool but superman, batman wonder woman et cetera get kind of old. I didn't think I'd like the cg green lantern show but that was pretty good. Really miss teen titans and young justice too. Although I wasnt a big fan of the team members shuffling out.
Unlimited needs a reboot continuation like xmen 97
The problem with the DCU animated universe is that they rely too much of the trinity. Batman especially. Last time, I checked their plenty of characters that have not been used at all. When was the last if ever their was a solo Firestorm movie or Icon movie? The answer is never either a solo Captain Adam movie. I like Batman as much of the next fan, Batman movies are getting redundant and boring. I want something new and fresh. What is the purpose of having all these characters and don't use them just to collect dust? And don't get me started with the Dakotaverse. The Dakotaverse is treated like a complete afterthought. Fresh new characters are needed for the DC animated universe. Fans would be get excited if there was a Black Adam , or Captain Adam, Firestorm, or Zal Zod animated movies were coming soon. That will show us that DC animated is committed to trying something new, introducing new characters to the new animated universe. Because the old DC trinity is not working anymore. As fans, we have seen that already. Give us something new and different.