I’ve started many cold Diesel locomotives. Letting them struggle to start is really tough on the engine. The governor goes right to full fuel which is why the one or two cylinders that fire have such a severe knock. It’s possible to break a piston or bend a connecting rod that way. In the remaining cylinders not firing, the fuel that is injected but not burned cools the air charge making it difficult to get up to ignition temperature. This unburned fuel also washes the oil film off cylinder walls causing excess wear on the cylinder and piston. I’ve found it to be more effective to hold the layshaft in the no fuel position and crank the engine over for 15-20 seconds before introducing fuel. This gives a chance to build some heat in the cylinders. Often the engine will start much sooner this way, with less wear.
As an apprentice back in the '70's we got to play around with some really old diesels, huge hand cranked single and twin cylinders. Can't remember their brands, but one at least was a "Lister" The way to start them was to crank the flywheel as fast as possible with the cylinders set to NO compression, just to get momentum and some lube oil flowing. then quickly move the decompression lever to "high" compression to get them firing, and very quickly move the lever to "low" (more like "normal") to continue running. Getting the timing of the compression lever wrong resulted in some hilarious, and on rare occasions painful events. (hold the crank handle incorrectly and risk broken fingers, wrists and dislocated elbows) As you say, the engines shown here would benefit from being spun over without fuel to get the lube oil moving, and some heat into the combustion chamber. I'm surprised they didn't have an effective "pre-heater" for the incoming air as well. Have seen Eastern European operators soak a rag (and even a stripped corn cob) with diesel, remove the air filter, and hold it lit over the air intake. Very effective.
@@iffracem , i saw your "pre-heater" method being used to start a loco in siberia on a tv show. you can count on siberians to know the best way to start a cold engine. ive seen how they start their cars too. build a fire on the ground under the engine.
I just want to point out, there was a Winter a few years ago in the UK where Modern Technology FAILED as it was so Cold. They not only brought out the old Diesels, but also the even OLDER Steam Engines to run the Rail Networks for a week or so in some areas.
@@nevermindmyname9153 We had similar problems in Sweden with the new French locomotives arrived, they are normally good and reliable locos, but they where not really made up to standard to meet the Nordic winter in the beginning so they had to do a lot of changes to them before they could be put back to service, In northern Sweden there are still quite a lot of old 1970-80s (a few of them are even older) locomotives still running in active duty or serve as active backup, some of them simply because they where still in such good shape that they where bought up by other companies to be used as cargo trains. The old Swedish cargo locos where originally designed to met up to the standard for the old northern iron ore, i am not joking when i say that, that one can certainly even be worse than the Canadian coastline during the winter...
That's all bs. Artificial scandal to German automakers. If US cannot make and sell decent cars abroad, then they will try to ruin the reputation of others who can make and sell. Just look how many German cars roam in the US and how many US cars roam in Germany.
@@ferencszathmary9689 I drive a US car from 1988 Chrysler convertible And that for 26 years. US import with special approval for European roads. There are many cars in Europe from GM Opel. The problem with American luxury cars is the procurement of spare parts. The taxes for muscle cars and power of the engine. But I think any Lincoln or Cardilac can compete with Mercedes on quality as well.
The trick to starting a stubborn Diesel is let a bit of flame go down the inlet manifold. That quickly warms them up to do their usual combustion process
perkins used flame start on there engines,there was a glow plug inside the inlet and when you started them 1st you had to glow 15-30 sec and then when you cranced it diesel was injected by the diesel pump.
I used to work on a lot of a model 3512 cats, 16v92 screaming eagle detroit's, and Cummins v12 mechanical. Nothing like those old barges, screaming eagles like to run away and come apart
I love to hear big direct injection Diesel engines crank up on cold mornings! All of that smoke and flames is beautiful and that knock is like music to my ears!
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz you know you only have to go into the settings of the video and turn off annotations to get rid of them. But yes I agree as Adblock Plus is brilliant and a must have
Lighthouse diesel gensets used to be run for 6 hour shifts. Later this was changed to continuous operation with two extra engines as backup. They would just let the engine run until it died. Lots of stress while the engine pounds away getting up to speed. This method pretty well eliminated the daily pounding.
Respect voor de mensen die dit in stand houden! Prioriteit nr. 1 zou voor mij zijn, het kunnen lichten van de klep van cilinder nr.1. Wat een beestenwerk is het om zo te tornen! 👍🏻
@@vernonmatthews181 I've never seen one but it sounds like you have. they couldn't have been very big, were they? my original comment should have read "heard of some diesel engines"
@@kevinducharme1263 The one I saw was in 1977 in New Zealand, it was a Vtwin that started a 1938 Caterpillar 6x4 Grader, I can still remember it starting up & the two huge levers that allowed the smaller engine to engage the flywheel of the parent engine, the engine partially exposed both sides was a long stroke 4 cylinder diesel. 😎👍👌
My old man did his National Service in the Royal Navy, he remembered starting Napier Deltic engined MTBs - they made so much black smoke tne hulls were repainted black (from grey) to disguise tbe sooty exhausts. They could run at 40 knots all day & night !
Me too. Had one rumble past me years ago when I was a kid walking along the track, felt the heat from the engine, smelled the fumes and oil. Such a powerful beast.....So huge, at least compared to me age 6 anyway.
Three crankshafts in a triangular format, two spinning one way and the remaining the other way. An 18 cylinder two stoke diesel with opposed piston design. Each bore had two pistons in it with a crankshaft at either end injector in the middle and inlet and exhaust port at opposing ends of the cylinder and it was supercharged. Quite an advanced engine and unique sound!
Ian McKinnon they all sound bad because they’re cold, not necessarily badly maintained, the reason some sound better than others is because they’ve been cold less
Not strange at all, the Sulzer engines have a much higher compression ratio than most others. It makes them more efficient but heavier and more expensive, more than double the cost of a comparable English Electric engine if I recall correctly.
I DROVE Diamond T,s in the UK army in 1954 ,max weight 95 tons., Henshall Engine starting ok With the old 14 lt engine we used to heat in in coming air ,started ok even with hard frost. Best wishes, Alan Bunker.
In Canada we give the air inlet a short shot of starting fluid (ether). Starts like a charm. With CAT engines, you switch the glowplug on for 15-20 secs then start it.
My old job, I had some generator sets V16 caterpillars, they had water jacket heaters and started more or less instantly. Would be certainly more efficient having water jacket heaters and a small generator to warm the loco engines up before starting.
hm, the DR877 started public service on the May 15th 1933, not in 1935... the prototype was running in 1931, max speed of the train in public service was 160kph/100mph... ....no wonder it was called the fliegender/flying Hamburger ( thats a city in Germany, the train drove from Hamburg to Berlin )
Flames. I'm not stupid. I want to see flames.
The flames, where are they, we need the flames
Click bait
Still great video
And, of course, *SOOT!*
I came expecting flames…
Нас обманули blyt
I’ve started many cold Diesel locomotives. Letting them struggle to start is really tough on the engine.
The governor goes right to full fuel which is why the one or two cylinders that fire have such a severe knock. It’s possible to break a piston or bend a connecting rod that way. In the remaining cylinders not firing, the fuel that is injected but not burned cools the air charge making it difficult to get up to ignition temperature. This unburned fuel also washes the oil film off cylinder walls causing excess wear on the cylinder and piston. I’ve found it to be more effective to hold the layshaft in the no fuel position and crank the engine over for 15-20 seconds before introducing fuel. This gives a chance to build some heat in the cylinders. Often the engine will start much sooner this way, with less wear.
As an apprentice back in the '70's we got to play around with some really old diesels, huge hand cranked single and twin cylinders. Can't remember their brands, but one at least was a "Lister"
The way to start them was to crank the flywheel as fast as possible with the cylinders set to NO compression, just to get momentum and some lube oil flowing. then quickly move the decompression lever to "high" compression to get them firing, and very quickly move the lever to "low" (more like "normal") to continue running. Getting the timing of the compression lever wrong resulted in some hilarious, and on rare occasions painful events. (hold the crank handle incorrectly and risk broken fingers, wrists and dislocated elbows)
As you say, the engines shown here would benefit from being spun over without fuel to get the lube oil moving, and some heat into the combustion chamber.
I'm surprised they didn't have an effective "pre-heater" for the incoming air as well. Have seen Eastern European operators soak a rag (and even a stripped corn cob) with diesel, remove the air filter, and hold it lit over the air intake. Very effective.
I thought I heard bad knocking. I assumed the engines must have been built for it.
This is true on 6000 cid natural gas engines as well. Let them crank for 30 seconds to build some heat up otherwise too much moisture
Exactly! Diesels need heat!
@@iffracem , i saw your "pre-heater" method being used to start a loco in siberia on a tv show. you can count on siberians to know the best way to start a cold engine. ive seen how they start their cars too. build a fire on the ground under the engine.
I see these mighty beasts and think of the millions of miles they have sailed on steel.
Each one has soul of sorts...
I am honestly impressed by the fact that those old macines just keeps going and going, almost no matter the circumstances.
It’s all in the maintenance.
I just want to point out, there was a Winter a few years ago in the UK where Modern Technology FAILED as it was so Cold. They not only brought out the old Diesels, but also the even OLDER Steam Engines to run the Rail Networks for a week or so in some areas.
@@nevermindmyname9153 We had similar problems in Sweden with the new French locomotives arrived, they are normally good and reliable locos, but they where not really made up to standard to meet the Nordic winter in the beginning so they had to do a lot of changes to them before they could be put back to service, In northern Sweden there are still quite a lot of old 1970-80s (a few of them are even older) locomotives still running in active duty or serve as active backup, some of them simply because they where still in such good shape that they where bought up by other companies to be used as cargo trains. The old Swedish cargo locos where originally designed to met up to the standard for the old northern iron ore, i am not joking when i say that, that one can certainly even be worse than the Canadian coastline during the winter...
when theres no air left in the atmosphere the engine wont be able to run
The thumbnail isn't a cold start. It's a hot fire!!!!
All these locos have one thing in common, great starters 😁👌
Actually most of the older locomotives don’t have a starter. The main generator has a starting winding which is used to crank over the engine.
Are these the Volkswagen tests for the chips that regulate the emissions? It looks good, so that the climate goals can be achieved.😁😁😁🙈🙈👍
Sadly
That's all bs. Artificial scandal to German automakers. If
US cannot make and sell decent cars abroad, then they will try to ruin the reputation of others who can make and sell. Just look how many German cars roam in the US and how many US cars roam in Germany.
@@ferencszathmary9689 I drive a US car from 1988 Chrysler convertible And that for 26 years. US import with special approval for European roads. There are many cars in Europe from GM Opel. The problem with American luxury cars is the procurement of spare parts. The taxes for muscle cars and power of the engine. But I think any Lincoln or Cardilac can compete with Mercedes on quality as well.
@@ottospalt4892 Where do you live?
@@ferencszathmary9689 Germany😃
Love the smell of diesel exhaust in the morning.
Greta would love this upload
that is exactly the way i starup up in the morning but whit less smoke.
Hey cold start gang 🤗
The trick to starting a stubborn Diesel is let a bit of flame go down the inlet manifold. That quickly warms them up to do their usual combustion process
Ha
@@Tactikill44 hello leokimvideo
perkins used flame start on there engines,there was a glow plug inside the inlet and when you started them 1st you had to glow 15-30 sec and then when you cranced it diesel was injected by the diesel pump.
@@MrRichard57000 you kinda a year late but yeah
Drop a match down there and open the throttle
Love to hear those old diesels starting up. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching :) more videos comming soon
I used to work on a lot of a model 3512 cats, 16v92 screaming eagle detroit's, and Cummins v12 mechanical. Nothing like those old barges, screaming eagles like to run away and come apart
@@spiritualawake2984 Wait What are you talking about? We talking about train
Beautiful....Thank You for Not Talking..
So glad to see ad posted covering over the last engine starting. Money is more important
Stupid hey...It makes me mad when most "tubers do that now.
I love to hear big direct injection Diesel engines crank up on cold mornings! All of that smoke and flames is beautiful and that knock is like music to my ears!
The last clip was ruined by link tiles overlaid on it. Put some extra "empty" space at the end.
May reve this yis toma no cu
@@juniorcasat7859 COME ON, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU
If you're watching on mobile, you can tap and hold on the video and pull it down slightly to get rid of the stupid end cards.
Install adblock plus. Then you can block elements.
I really hated those idiotic cards, but with adblock plus you just block them.
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz you know you only have to go into the settings of the video and turn off annotations to get rid of them. But yes I agree as Adblock Plus is brilliant and a must have
i love when the switch of sound when the cylinders start to get some heat in them
Lighthouse diesel gensets used to be run for 6 hour shifts. Later this was changed to continuous operation with two extra engines as backup. They would just let the engine run until it died. Lots of stress while the engine pounds away getting up to speed. This method pretty well eliminated the daily pounding.
This thing creates its own weather systems
Diesel geht immer 💪
Respect voor de mensen die dit in stand houden! Prioriteit nr. 1 zou voor mij zijn, het kunnen lichten van de klep van cilinder nr.1. Wat een beestenwerk is het om zo te tornen! 👍🏻
Now I think I learned how the early Starship Enterprise got its distinctive warp engines sound from!
These explanation really make the video more interesting
Sittimg in my living room in Canada. I think I can smell that exhaust
is Justin Trudeau gonna charge a carbon tax on that too?
Nice channel."thumbs up". diesel dave's .
It's good to know there are a few of the old class 37s still out and about.
I hear one regularly in Hull sound to be savoured and a sight to behold
Yes we will need them when we get dirty bombed….
I bet you don't get many likes from the greenies/climate extremists. I love it. Thanks for sharing.
i cant see how this is good for the environment personally
I find these noises humorous ^^
Amazing sounds❤❤❤❤
*3:17* when your train game has not loaded
I've seen some diesel engines that used a 'pony' engine to get them turning over to the initial starting RPM's.
I remember Caterpillar doing that since at least the 1930's.
@@vernonmatthews181 I've never seen one but it sounds like you have. they couldn't have been very big, were they? my original comment should have read "heard of some diesel engines"
@@kevinducharme1263 The one I saw was in 1977 in New Zealand, it was a Vtwin that started a 1938 Caterpillar 6x4 Grader, I can still remember it starting up & the two huge levers that allowed the smaller engine to engage the flywheel of the parent engine, the engine partially exposed both sides was a long stroke 4 cylinder diesel. 😎👍👌
@@vernonmatthews181 man, you old-school guys rule!
@@kevinducharme1263 Hey thanks brother, have a great day ! 😎👍👌
subbed, great video1
I feel I need to go and plant 100 trees now after watching this.
the first train is the ceo of climate change himself
Love how the engineer at 1:07 sticks his head up to see just how much smoke he's generating!
in a residential area non the less lol
My old man did his National Service in the Royal Navy, he remembered starting Napier Deltic engined MTBs - they made so much black smoke tne hulls were repainted black (from grey) to disguise tbe sooty exhausts. They could run at 40 knots all day & night !
Greta is crying while watching these xDD
True raul therapy....I like it!!!!.....All the best from Romania
Now we know where VW got there emissions advice from : )
It's a shame the deltic clip couldn't have lasted longer. Love that distinctive warble.
Me too. Had one rumble past me years ago when I was a kid walking along the track, felt the heat from the engine, smelled the fumes and oil. Such a powerful beast.....So huge, at least compared to me age 6 anyway.
Three crankshafts in a triangular format, two spinning one way and the remaining the other way. An 18 cylinder two stoke diesel with opposed piston design. Each bore had two pistons in it with a crankshaft at either end injector in the middle and inlet and exhaust port at opposing ends of the cylinder and it was supercharged. Quite an advanced engine and unique sound!
0:29 Train: Greta-Greta-Greta-Gretttttaaa-Gretttaaaaaaaaaa Breathe!!!!!
Strangely, the BR Class 25 seemed to have by far the easiest time starting.
Probably the best maintained. Beats me how the batteries sustain the output to turn over the engines.
Ian McKinnon they all sound bad because they’re cold, not necessarily badly maintained, the reason some sound better than others is because they’ve been cold less
@@class87srule they use air starters
Not strange at all, the Sulzer engines have a much higher compression ratio than most others. It makes them more efficient but heavier and more expensive, more than double the cost of a comparable English Electric engine if I recall correctly.
The Deltic went pretty quick.
"GREAT" footage, I really enjoyed watching 👍
Don't let the extinction rebellion see these.....
I DROVE Diamond T,s in the UK army in 1954 ,max weight 95 tons., Henshall Engine starting ok With the old 14 lt engine we used to heat in in coming air ,started ok even with hard frost.
Best wishes,
Alan Bunker.
Back at it again wooop
Greta loves this❤
On the seventh day God was'nt resting, he was making these locomotives
Hello Greata!!!!!:D
Class 37... surely the divas of cold start (tho that petite shunter was fun)?
Greata dreht durch
Beautiful! Partly because of the old technology that is still working, and partly because it makes Greta Thunderburg cry!
0:18 that’s one hell of a green Locomotive
Excellent. 💙 T.E.N.
Thank you very much for these geil sounds. I love these Diesel sounds!
Greta likes this! 😁
In Canada we give the air inlet a short shot of starting fluid (ether). Starts like a charm. With CAT engines, you switch the glowplug on for 15-20 secs then start it.
The ultimate green machine collection.
Fowler Shunter is my favorite :) //
Diesel are the best machines. They stink in the cold! But when they run .... they run...
Title: Locomotive Crazy Cold Starts
Thumbnail: locomotive on fire...
😝😝😝
these engines feed plants all around the world!
"One cold start is ~30 normal starts"
Nice.
I think the M41's cold start is also interesting. That could have been on this list.
Very Powerfull engines
I loved train because of it's engine sounds.
That 37 is something we cant hate
Hello from Africa
Good👍
2:38
The real Thomas the tank engine
@Widget Drat interesting
The pieces of rust falling off the Fowler added to the entertainment.
4:00 sound like my upstrair neighbours at 4am.
Fridays for Future would be proud
That psz still takes centre stage in german techno raves, ive seen the rave viking cranking it up.
awesome sounds
Coolest train of the lot gets covered by thumbnails!
Goodness! The thick black smoke...some nasty shyt!
Heavy metal at it's best.
I would love to hear one of the diesel trains rumble down a track
My old job, I had some generator sets V16 caterpillars, they had water jacket heaters and started more or less instantly. Would be certainly more efficient having water jacket heaters and a small generator to warm the loco engines up before starting.
They would have to be some healthy block heaters, to warm 400 gallons of coolant.
Extremely cold start with so difficulty that if I would have been trying to start I would pray & start
hm, the DR877 started public service on the May 15th 1933, not in 1935... the prototype was running in 1931, max speed of the train in public service was 160kph/100mph...
....no wonder it was called the fliegender/flying Hamburger ( thats a city in Germany, the train drove from Hamburg to Berlin )
Good
Now I know why they kept the locos running all night at Marylebone station back in the 70s. Also had some cartridge start jobs.
Somewhere greta’s having a meltdown 😂
One cylinder said the the others: “bro, you feeling it today?”
I love British machinery ...It's loud and leaks oil all the place....)))
Junk. Pure junk.
@@paulshafer3415 I see a $100,000 golf cart in you life ....)))
Listen to that Turbo on the EMD SD45 🤩💪🏼
Euro 6 done:)
Where is burning one!!!
This is Euro 0 hehe
Rather Euro -10 🙈🙉🙊
Give it some ether, boys.
Great video ruined by text on upper screen.
Woooow good
Wonderful Coverage.. love from rail fan..
Was surprised how easily the Class 37 started! Fully approved
are they cranking these engines using battery power
or have they started some auxiliary power unit?
日本語で失礼、どの国製のエンジンでその当時のエンジンにはグロープラグは無かったのでしょうか？
あと、ディーゼルエンジン特有の煤煙が凄いですね。近いうちには公共機関のディーゼルエンジンにもアドブルーが使用されるのでしょうか？
this is unreal start! SUPER!!!
Слёзы радости на глазах греты тунберг )))