Cycling Fail #2 | Put Your Phone Away
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2022
- Although it's not illegal using your phone whilst in control of a bicycle is not good.
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Before the onslaught of vitriolic comments commence I'd just like to say that idiot cyclists infuriate those of us who cycle responsibly.
I've seen some total morons out while I've been cycling, and they help to reinforce the stereotype of cyclists jumping lights and generally being above the law. One classic was a guy going through a red light on a pedestrian crossing, and when I pointed out to him that the light was red his response was "I'm on a bike". I don't know how someone can reach 40+ years of age and think bikes don't have to stop at red lights.
The most worrying thing is that he no doubt drives a car with the same level of ignorance.
I saw a major bike pile up the other day. It was caused by a cyclist stopping at a red and the others didn’t
Totally agree. There are loads of people riding with phones where I live.
@@Rover200Power Very true. Equally though, I do think that the sterotype of cyclists jumping red lights comes mostly from the way that those bad cyclists who do jump lights choose to do it - they normally go through red lights at any stage of the phase, even if the other lane is already flowing! However, in my experience (and if I recall correctly, the evidence supports this), cars jumping red lights happens far, far more often...but the majority of times it is only for the few seconds after they've turned red, so perhaps drivers who perpetuate the "cyclists always jump red lights" myth let these sort of infringements go as "only just breaking the law".
Not me. I'm only responsible for my own riding. I can't control what others do.
As if doing a wheelie in traffic wasn't bad enough, he's doing it against traffic. Insane!
Overdue for a Darwin award, that one.
doing what teenagers do, hes just showing off to his friends. Give them a car and they'll be doing doughnuts in a carpark.
@@jadedferret6727 Depends on the teenager. When I was one me and my mates all did some bloody stupid things on bikes, but among my mates only one (Chris) was stupid enough to do exactly the kind of thing shown in the video. All of us got occasional scrapes and bruises, Chris used to get plaster casts.
Hopefully he’ll be removed off road soon. Undertaker
@@ianmason. No it does not depend on the teenager because only teenagers do it. He's a typical peacocking runt who'd would be taking his time in the road if on foot.
He's no more a cyclist than a joyrider is a car commuter.
10:23 - of course I understand why the motorist stopped when exiting the roundabout, but once the cyclists were on the floor there wasn't really a reason for her to sit there and wait for them to get up. If I'd been on the bike and fallen over I'd rather the car carried on, instead of making me feel like I had to rush to get up and cross the road.
I like how when the driver got beeped at she said 'Can you not see the cyclists in the road d*ckhead?!' even though it was only like a 10th of the wheel on a hatched marking, there really was no reason to stop and wait 🤦♂
Agreed i did feel the car needed to crawl forward, set off and bin the cyclists for someone else at that moment. Yes it was a little accident them falling off the bicycle but the cammer needed to keep the flow going. A lot of drivers have gotten into the forced mindset of stopping at a junction or roundabout to let someone cross and not moving until they've crossed. As long as you give them that chance of priority if they delay, you be on your way.
Only reason I can think of for staying that long would be just to laugh at them. But seriously should have made off instead of waiting for them to pick themselves up.
The cyclists should not have been riding at a pedestrian crossing, at least they should have dismounted. The motorist stopped because they did the unexpected and fell over, what else were they going to do? It would not have surprised me that one would have got up and sprinted across the road with little or no attention. I may have been tempted to pull forward when I saw the heap of cyclists but I don't blame the motorist for waiting, at least that way they were in control of the situation and kept themselves and others safe. The fact that the cyclists might have been embarrassed and then pressured to cross may have taught them a lesson especially as everyone was safe particularly as the stationary motorist was a good indicator that something was amiss to other road users, who could be unsighted as well as acting as a blocker.
Patience and courtesy?
"If you've stopped you've hit noone" I love this!!
This thinking was how the "brake check" gained popularity.
@@MrSonicAdvance Isnt brake checking where you quickly decrease your speed. You dont stop. So even then you are still moving.
Sometime you could be hit if you stop. Stopping us not always the safest option.
@@mikemonkeyz brake check can be to a complete stop
@@mikemonkeyz Who says they don't stop? I've seen loads of videos of people stopping dead to brake check the poor guy behind them. (Usually after a dangerously impatient overtake.)
Hi Ash, Clip 9 is another one of mine. Not sure if I said when I sent the clip in but when I watched that back I winced at the overtake; definitely should have waited until after the dip to start it!
I think it was the view ahead through the S-bend that gave me a false sense of security that it was safe; but a vehicle could easily have come the other way at 60 in the time between me loosing that view and getting round the corner. Another one I'll be learning from; I know as a rider for almost 10 years that I wouldn't be a fan of someone overtaking me there.
Sidenote: only got rid of that car (my first car!) last week; when I realised it was my clip it was great to see it again 😂)
9:18 (Clip 18) That's why I do walking pace in carparks. I didn't used to and I never had an incident, but there are too many places to check that are hidden from view so it's best to travel at the speed of the biggest danger -- pedestrians coming from or returning to their cars -- and give way to them when they appear at the side of the isle.
Yes. Drive very slowly in carparks. You can literally stop on a dime, and once I had to when a moron came zooming around the corner against the arrow.
@@davidvanderklauw Indeed, people like that are hypocrites because they rely on others not driving like that or else they'd crash constantly.
Yep - the dashcam car driver was driving dangerously in that car park. Surprised Ashley did not criticize both parties.
LCD theory*.
Always the best practice.
*Lowest common denominator. Design your behaviour around the stupidest person you are most likely to encounter. That way, you are prepared for 'almost' anything.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo Haha, I haven't heard it called that before, but this is how I have always driven. Personally, I can't understand trusting other road users by default when one mistake may lead to serious injury, death, or expensive/irreversible vehicle damage.
Ashley's Halloween message: "Always creep"
A huge and overlooked issue here is just how poor the infrastructure is for cyclists in the UK.
A painted cycle gutter seems to be the very best a UK cyclist can hope for. I'm generally a confident and assertive cyclist, but I'm not sure I'd cycle on UK roads. (And I don't hesitate at all to cycle through Brussels, which is saying something!)
The problem is that most of our towns just don't have room for cycle paths, and squeezing them in to Victorian or Edwardian street patterns means either pedestrians or motorists have to surrender space to them. Some areas are better than others, but it's an issue that's certainly not overlooked, it's just not easily resolved.
@@davidjones332 that’s just it - it’s easy to resolve it. You do what the Dutch have done, with equally narrow streets, and realise that cars in urban settings need to play third fiddle to pedestrians and cyclists.
Have a look at not just bikes for how sensible urban planning is actually a solved problem. We can copy paste it here.
It's the consequence of being an overcrowded island. No doubt the fabled roads of Holland and Belgium are far superior blah blah blah.
@@goodyeoman4534 Population density of the UK is 272 / km2, for Belgium it's 378 / km2, for the Netherlands it's 419 / km2 (all 2020 numbers).
So clearly that's not the issue.
The issue is one of political priorities.
@@kristofprovost What political priorities should cycle lanes displace?
You mentioned the wonderful creep method ... this has often saved me from idiot cyclists and drivers. It, the creep, really does give you more space and time to react. Thank you, Ashley
And it shows intention.
Wow! That first one is a real "blink and you'll miss it," thing. It kind of highlights how nasty it could have ended. Almost enough to put you off driving or cycling for life.
I drive a taxi at night time and the creep when your signal turns to green has been vital in preventing many cars from hitting me, who jump a red lights.
Even if I'm approaching a green light I expect people to ignore their red signals, so I always slow down and look book ways.
Ever since I started watching Ashely Neal, my prediction level has finally increased to level 100!
"Plenty of cyclists in the clip, which one do you think's going to be the problem?" - Me without skipping a beat - "The one we can't see yet coming from the left"! :D
Hah! I said something similar "The one we haven't seen yet."
Try spotting them at night with no lights in dark clothing 😁
Actually I don't think cyclists should be treated as a separate group. They are road users like anyone else, some good, some bad and many mediocre.
... but much more vulnerable than someone in a car.
Yes, it's very tribal and just adds to divisive behaviours. Still, it helps to generate 'likes' and comments on social media, that's the main thing.
@@squicker We need new terminology. Some of these riders are "cyclists" in the same way someone who has nicked a car and is being pursued by the police is a "motorist". Almost every cyclist over teenage I know is also a car owner. The problem is narcissism and lack of self-awareness, on 2 wheels or 4.
A bicycle is very different from a car, however, considering that it's powered by the user rather than an external power source, and much slower and smaller.
Mediocre is something I can relate 😂
9:26 dashcam saved him there. He really did come from nowhere.
he did but the car was driving too fast.
@@SPTSuperSprinter156 only a cyclist would say something as stupid as this. 🤣🤣
Yes your definitely right. Got myself a dashcam last year after years of driving but you have to do everything you can to safeguard yourself of claims by stupid cyclists 👍
@@mintywebb that's more than 5mph surely, I would've thought 10 or 15mph
He'll still get the blame
What exactly are people doing on their phones that mean they need to check them so much? I use mine for time checks and map reading and take some photos. I really dont get this obsession and addiction.
My phone stays in my back pocket unless I have found a place to sit down for a minute when it gets transferred to my jacket pocket. Sometimes I even leave the infernal thing at home.
I think people are addicted to social media, like facebook, tik tok and whatever else. Glad I don't use them
Checking their Tinder matches and scrolling down the Daily Mail side bar of shame, I think.
possibly changing music song, they may be using wireless headphones of some sort, in which case they should slow down if not pull off the road, and don't do it in high traffic areas.
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im a cyclist and alot of people tell me how much they hate cyclists, i never understood why until i saw how some people act in these videos, i agree with all of what you said in this video 😀 not all cyclists are bad tho! 🤗🤗🤗
But it is time cyclists became accountable and had insurance
Put away my phone?! But that’s my primary medium for watching these videos!
What an absolutely fantastic educational episode.
Clip 15 (8:05): You say the cammer should just go around the door, but that's exactly what they do? They seem to keep the same pace before and after. Is it sending in the clip that's the problem?
Yes. The cammer obviously thought it was a hassle to go around the door as he did.
@@jaycee330 It's not _just_ that, I think. It's the sending in the clip *and* there being a fairly good 2-lane cycle way right across the road. If there hadn't been, I suspect M. Neal would not have had this reaction; but I get the impression that M. Neal does not want to encourage people sending in clips just to point out this sort of stuff when they don't show a fairly obvious way of avoiding it entirely and leaving it to being the motorists's problem.
Delivery driver parked on both the pavement and double yellows but the cyclist is wrong for highlighting it...
@@philmoore97 My thoughts exactly. Baffling isn't it?
@@philmoore97 Not just double yellows (no parking), but double kerb marks (no loading) too.
One of the best things I've seen was a young lad on a bike doing a Wheely not paying any attention flying right into the back of a bus his bike absolutely crumpled front wheel was hanging off 🤣 (the lad was fine other than some cuts and bruises) hopefully he learned his lesson.
I'm so glad. you pointed out that it's the person that is a good or bad road user, and their choice of vehicle is not relevant. We need more of this narrative.
Choice is vehicle is ... kinda relevant, Lorries are more dangerous than van's, van's are more dangerous than cars, cars are more dangerous than bikes.
@@Momofan69 Ah I think you misunderstood me there! Of course the amount of damage/injury that can be caused by a larger vehicle is important, and is why the hierarchy has been introduced. However, what I was referring to was that Ashley saying what he did was to debunk the the common, but incorrect, view that it's only cyclists that break the rules. This, along with dehumanising cyclists into some group of 'others', has caused a lot of antagonism, hatred and indeed acts of roadrage and violence towards cyclists. So by saying all road users can be good or bad road users, is refusing to accept the 'group' theory - we're all people, and we all make mistakes.
Had my own cycling fail 5 mins after I purchased a bike from Halford for the first time as an adult. I am only 5ft 4in and it was the smallest adult bike available , the seat was at its lowest level but when I was at a junction I realised I could not put my feet on the ground . Fortunately there were no cars around. They tried for a couple of weeks to get an even smaller adult bike, in vain . So I lost the notion . They gave me my money back. That was my one and only time as a cyclist so it was shortlived. I did ride a moped occasionly the time before that, top speed 40mph
Regarding nr 15 at 8:04, the van has mounted the footpath on opposite direction, with a double-yellow line. It is illegal for a motorised vehicle to mount the footpath. It is also illegal to park on double-yellows. The cyclist is also well entitled to use the normal road over the cycle-lane as they may intend to turn left at some stage where the cycle-lane doesn't go. By keeping to the regular road, this will ensure that the cyclist can flow through rather than having to stop and wait for traffic to pass.
Clip 9. (Just an observation) I have ridden hundreds of miles on narrow and single track roads, I think they are the safest roads to ride on due to the lack of traffic and low speed. positioning is very important on such roads to ensure that you can be seen, but no one has ever tooted me to let me know that they approach from behind, I wish they would because sometimes it is not possible to hear them approaching.
Hi Graham; that one was me, and it's the exact reason you gave for why I used the horn there! I could have, as a lot of drivers would, just forced my way past; but the positioning and then lack of movement suggested they hadn't heard me approach and I didn't want to force my way through leaving next to no space; hence the short, friendly burst and not a lean. Nice to hear Ashley, and read others, approving of the horn use; means a lot when I only passed in March 👍
@@RidgwayBrandon The first thing I say is - well done. With a head wind it is often not possible to hear a car approaching from behind.
In my opinion there are two things to remember/consider as a car driver in these circumstances -
1. Give the toot from some distance back - say 50 meters, so as not to startle the rider/s.
2. On single track roads (roads where it is impossible for two cars to pass) slow and give the cyclist/s time to get to a passing place or convenient spot to stop and let you pass, Be patient, it is sometimes the case that the cyclist can see another car approaching in the other direction which you may not be able to see and will complicate things.
I will very often deliberately ride or move out to towards the centre of single track roads when a car approaches, this is to encourage the driver to slow down or if they come from the opposite direction, stop. This is because it is much safer and easier for me to pass a slow moving or stationary car (clearance can sometimes be less than 20cm)
The worst thing is when a driver does not slow down, I have had drivers pass from behind way too fast with their offside wheels way up over the grass verge (very scary as I knew there was not enough road width) Also some drivers do not give enough time for the cyclist to stop and get over into the side in a safe position before passing - there can be some pretty nasty things growing out of dry stone walls and it can be tricky establishing a secure footing.
I will always do what I can to not hold up traffic flow on such narrow roads, but sometimes a littler patience is required. I know not everyone is this accommodating and some may get triggered by the horn (as I stated in the previous comment I have yet to hear a "I'm behind you" toot) but generally I have found people to be nice and appreciative of a little help.
@@RidgwayBrandon This is a perfect example of exactly what the horn is meant to be used for, namely to alert other road users to the presence of your vehicle. All too often motorists seem to think it's an angry button so it is refreshing to see it being used responsibly for it's intended purpose. Your use of the horn there is the same way that I use my bell as a cyclist when approaching pedestrians on shared use paths when they don't appear to be aware of my approach and I would hope any cyclist would.
There were at least a couple of cyclists in this comp that I think were using clipless pedals which may have been a factor. I’ve been in situations when I’ve struggled to clip out, mostly when I was new to clipless pedals but it happens occasionally when I’ve fitted new cleats and can’t pop my foot out with the same ease as last time I rode and my muscle memory needs resetting. If a cyclist can’t get their foot out, they fall over and it can cause a bit of mild panic which in turn leads to distraction and what appears to be odd decision making to the observer. I’m not suggesting this is an excuse for poor behaviour, I think it’s something worth highlighting to non-cyclists who may not be aware that this can be an issue. Knowledge is power and all that.
Surprised they're not all clips from Liverpool. Went for a weekend break last month and the number of Deliveroo cyclists not to mention the hire electric scooters riding dangerously was shocking. Felt quite at home seeing Delta Cars in real life!
I was turning off the M11 at the roundabout for Stansted Airport today ...and said "for Ashleys sake I better take extra care at this roundabout, it's crazy dangerous traffic" with eight arms and lorries going in all lanes and directions. So we sat there, at the lights, and watched an elderly African man riding a small-wheeled fold up bicycle, crusing across and amongst the lanes of artics, transporters and vans, like he was enjoying a slow spot of sunday exercise in Sefton Park.
Over the months that I have been watching this I've not seen a few of these errors and not been able to spot what's wrong in some films,even when I've viewed it again and again!!! This makes me thankful that I no longer drive😅
7:50 he's in a world of his own checking where his next pick-up is...
It’s scary really
8:44 as a cyclist and a driver, I just laughed quite hard at that. It could have far worse if the other cyclist wasn't there.
That guy looked spaced out, like on something, or a medical emergency even (low blood sugar etc). Weird how he just cycled right out into the road.
I'm such an evil person. All I could think of at 10:14 was "Domino rally!!!!!" 🤣🤣🤣
3:07 my home city of Glasgow. I love it when I see dashcam footage of places I recognise even if what’s in the clip is not appealing
What grinds my gears is when cyclist thing that traffic lights for give way markings done apply to them, seen it dozens of times where they've almost knocked someone over and if someone calls out for them to stop, it's normally met with aggression from the cyclist almost as a "how dare you call to me to stop at a red light"
Yup, ditto.
@Nigel Buckham What, does that make them not a cyclist? Same applies to motorists as well then, naturally?
2:25 The kid was laughing at the VW driver rev'ing his engines and staring at the cyclist even before the lights went green. I would have smiled to myself too, he's obviously not getting enough.
Years ago (20+ at least) I would quite happily ride with earphones listening to music while on the bike, never really loud but enough to be comfortable with while being out. Wouldn't do it now. Not only does it take away a sense of what is around you traffic wise but when down tight cycle tracks where tress may block line of sight can hear what may be in front of you - adults/kids laughing, talking etc and you don't get to hear the birds chirping/singing when out in the countryside. So much of what is out there is easily missed when in a car, why lose it when you are on a bike when you are going at a speed where it can be appreciated
Bone conducting headphones are your friend
3:17 Oh my gosh! 😱 I thought that was a lorry 🚛 🤣!!!!
9. I lived in the country and got to know the roads really well, here's the thing, sometimes you can tell if a road is clear before someone who doesn't know the road would. That looks like a blind crest round a corner however, the road doesn't actually dip down more than a couple of inches below the eyeline and then carries on with a long straight. IF that's what we have here, the driver knew the next several hundred yards were clear by the view they had prior to starting the overtake. I'm fine with that.
Spot on. It's the shadow from the trees that is giving us the impression of a deviation in the road.
Hi Mike, I'm the driver from that one. It is indeed a road I know well, both from driving and cycling it. I think everything you've said is what I was thinking at the time and why I went for it; it's actually a section where I use both lanes when it's clear despite technically being 'blind' as you get a good view ahead before it dips.
However, when I watched the clip back my thoughts were the same as what Ash said and I felt it was actually quite a poor decision; and personally feel I should have waited until after the dip! Thanks 👍
Some shockers in this one. What really winds me up cyclists on the pavement. It’s not just cretins or teenagers on mountain bikes but increasingly middle aged entitled blokes on electric mountain bikes, they’d seriously injure or potentially kill a child or elderly person if they hit them. We also have them treating our local off-road designated footpaths like a downhill mountain bike park you get the entitled man child reaction if you ever say anything to them so just not worth it.
Yes but if the roads weren't made death traps for cyclists by many motorists, then scared cyclists wouldn't be on the pavement.
Cause.
Effect.
ps. It isn't actually illegal to cycle on the footway.
I think it depends on the speed of the bike on the pavement. I see quite a lot of guys riding mountain bikes barely faster than walking pace, with their saddles way too low to get any effective pace up! In principle it's not allowed but if they aren't going faster than say a mobility scooter it's hard to get wound up about. However I agree when the speed is high and they are inconsiderate of pedestrians.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo i agree that many cyclists are scared to use roads, but in the UK it is technically illegal.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo actually it is illegal unless it is a designated shared cycle footpath
@@stephenhill8790 this is not the law.
Whilst it is how most people understand the law. It is not the case. The law does not ban cycling on the footway. The footway can only be dual or multiple use, precisely because there is no legal impairment to make them so. The usage of footways is not set at a national level oe. One rule with local exceptions.. Each footway is allocated a designated usage, there is no "default". This ranges from footpath to BOAT.
Ergo as any footway can have any designation, that designation is made locally, it is impossible to have a nationwide law for footways because every footway is different.
The confusion largely comes because people assume that footways are automatically footpaths unless otherwise designated. This is not the case. It is all ad-hoc. To add to people's confusion: unlike parking, where there 8s a legal requirement to indicate at the site the legal restrictions. There is no requirement to place signs indicating the allowed or restricted use of the footway. Legally, this information need only be available publicly ie. at your local council office or library. So NOT having a sign saying that you CAN cycle does not mean that you can NOT or can for that matter. You literally have to ask the local council, unless your local council operates a default policy. Which some do, making all local footways in their area footpaths or for that matter dual use.
*BOAT = byway open to all traffic. This includes motor vehicles. Typically used in areas where parking on the footway is required.
You fooled me there, with "which cyclist do you think will be the problem" we see 2 and then the problem arrived. Hahaha 😂
This is a long time ago but about clip 15 with the cycle lane. You really can't see from this video how the bicycle infrastructure is built. For example if the cyclist is coming from the left and about to make a left, he/she would have had to step of the bike, walk over a pedestrian crossing, cycle in the cycle lane, then step of again to walk over another crossing (that might not even be in a good place for where they are going), just to get to where they are going.
A cycle lane almost never helps on its own. You need adequate cycling infrastructure, mostly separate from motorists to actually get cyclists to stop using the road.
"not seen chap on floor" yeah they have ! So goo they ain't crossing anytime soon !
See this way to often! Cyclists NEED to be governed by the same road laws as other road users. If only for their own safety and protect them from their own stupidity!
That fine but the laws that govern don't protect them from the stupidity of others.
Why do you think they came up with "Cyclists are vulnerable so is everybody's duty to save them from themselves" aka babysitters on the road ... problem solved
Ashley - an excellent video.
For once I agree with nearly everything you say !
It's a bit vigorous BTL, though.
5:45 Nice
Wearing headphones whilst cycling has also got to be one of the most stupid things you could do. The idea of cutting off one of your most important senses whilst sharing a road with vehicles is unbelievably dim.
They’re looking for their Darwin Award under someone’s car.
So you obviously also believe, that motor vehicles should not have stereos?
Or handsfree phone facilities for that matter?
You can actually hear background noise through a lot of headphones, many are designed like that. Also bear in mind that even with headphones cyclists can hear better than drivers, who even without the radio on can hear almost nothing. Not to mention deaf or hearing impaired cyclists....
@@edj4833 A Darwin contestant? Why, when being one of the most vulnerable road users, would you plug up your ears?
@@wibbley1 I half agree but bear in mind, as I said, that many headphones allow you to hear background noise.
4:05 Personally, I'd never take my children out cycling on a British road, including country ones or urban ones. I'm not paranoid, I've just seen too many things to risk it. It's a shame, but that's just how I feel.
And yet when i was in primary school in the country side the school had an entire class of 30 kids out on there pushbikes on British roads...
I honestly don't have an issue with cycling on UK roads. I must pass thousands of cars on my typical fitness route (which is sadly failing to keep me fit), and the vast majority of those interactions pass unmemorably. But, in the same way drivers are apt to remember the odd cyclist that runs a red light, as a cyclist I am apt to remember the small number of drivers who make mistakes. It's just normal cognitive bias, so I try to to overcome that and remember most interactions on the road are without event.
And of course it's incredibly rare to come across a genuinely nasty road users of any type, of course people make mistakes, but we make allowances for that as none of us are immune.
There is nothing wrong with taking your children cycling as long as you, as the parent properly supervise them which clearly wasn't happening in that clip.
There should have been one adult in front of, and one behind the child in that clip, or at least keep their eyes on them and listen out for cars.
I take my children out on dedicated cycle lanes , such as those created on disused railway tracks - completely away from other traffic ; seaside promenades are other good places .
Carefull Mr Neal,
You will get accused of victim blaming. 😄
His clips don't feature enough joyriders and how they could do things better to improve theirs and road users' safety.
Responsible commuter cyclist here (also passed 5 driving tests - 4 professionally). I found this to be very balanced and I have absolutely no time for the idiots on 2 wheels who give all of us a bad name.
As for cycle couriers, I do think the companies should be held responsible for the behaviour of their staff. I know it's zero contract, agency type work but that's no excuse. While they're in the pay of a company, that company should be liable.
As for cycle lanes though, many are too unsafe to use, especially those shared with pedestrians.
they wont learn until it hurts
No chance anybody would have spotted that on the first one
#6 Stupid cycling, that car just before it absolutely flew through that junction !
I'm a cyclist and I would've gone to the front box and then moved sideways from there (assuming the lights weren't going green anytime soon, must always know the order or don't do it). Definitely don't do this in between cars.
Your clip at 1:50 brought back memories. I - as a pedestrian without a dog - had a close such encounter. One of the issues is that cyclists need no knowledge to use the road; they should need to pass a test to demonstrate knowledge. Another issue is that cyclists generally do not face penalties for breaking the rules. A red light camera will catch a car thanks to the numberplate but cannot catch a cyclist as cycles do not have numberplates. And the chances of a police car being nearby are slim; the chances of the police car even acting are even slimmer.
6:50 I actually wrote to Deliveroo back in 2017 about the poor standards of their local riders and got a standard response.
Not quite sure the logic of this comment really stacks up. Firstly, if you've watched Ashley's other videos on the channel, it's pretty clear that passing a test to demonstrate knowledge does in no way guarantee good driving. Secondly, there are studies that show that drivers tend to be more law-breaking than cyclists. And thirdly, and perhaps most tellingly, the vast majority of cyclists are also drivers and have passed their test! I know it's hard to think that given how much the media likes to create an "us vs them" mentality with drivers vs cyclists. Also, it's worth thinking about just how much damage a cyclist can do vs a motorist. I think there have been only a couple of pedestrian KSIs caused by bikes in the last decade, so are you surprised that the requirement for insurance and number plates falls on the far, far, far bigger risk, the 2 tonne car?
@@alexwoodroffe9477 To take your points in order: passing a test demonstrates knowledge and people can then be held to account. Studies may show that but that doesn't matter: cyclists still need to be held to account for any misbehaviour. Third, so what? As for license plates, even the weediest motorcycles require license plates; if it can be done for them then it can be done for cyclists. We are all road users.
@@alexwoodroffe9477 Regardless of whether cyclist are more, or less, law-breaking than motorists (I'd like to see the studies before coming to my own conclusion on that matter), cyclists know that when they break the laws they're difficult - sometimes impossible - to trace. So, as the OP states, they generally don't face penalties for doing so.
Your logic appears a little awry too: Just because a cyclist may cause less damage than motorists, that doesn't mean that the damage they do cause is inconsequential, or doesn't have to be paid for.
@@QuentinStephens That doesn't work though.
There are more than a million uninsured cars on our roads for whom number plates don't seem to work for holding them to account, and Ashley's video yesterday had a youth on a motorbike doing wheelies through Liverpool with the statement that nothing could be done because the police were hamstrung.
I don't think that imposing solutions that don't work will solve anything.
@@mattwardman A poor argument indeed. A million uninsured out of how many vehicles on our roads exactly? Oh, that's right, I believe it was around 32 million in 2020. Clearly it works fine for 31 million vehicles then.
Now, what were you saying about solutions that don't work?
It's often good to warn cyclists you are behind. But hold back on the beep until it is safe to over take.
No, beeping cyclists is a shit idea, Neal is obsessed with using the horn unecessarily and needs to stop. It's either safe to overtake or it isn't, and if the person in front is doing something out the ordinary, hang back, you don't need to warn a cyclist or a pedestrian by sounding a horn, it just shouts 'get out the fucking way' and people react to that if not unsettling riders also.
Lastly it ignires that some people simply won't hear the horn because they are deaf.
@@ynotnilknarf39 Hmm disagree with you about the use of the horn in this instance, assuming the driver waited until it was clear to overtake. As the family did not know he was there and it clearly did warn them and allow them to move over and be safer. It depends when. I cycle far more miles than I drive. It's sometimes good to have a warning a car is behind. Some of us are hard of hearing and may not hear a car approach until it right on top of us. As for those totally deaf - well they would never even hear it so it would not matter either way would it? If they had not registered I was there and they were moving about a bit like here, I would do so to allow them be warned and stay in. And indeed, that is what happened! I would just use it a little later in this case when clear to overtake. I am sure they would appreciate it, being a cyclist myself. We should be careful of ruling things out totally, the horn can be a good warning tool in many instances. That is what it is there for after all, not to try to shame drivers who did things wrong as most people seem to use it.
For your point about the pedestrian crossing lights: Cyclists actually tend to be hurt more than pedestrians in cycle vs pedestrian crashes, most of the injuries come from landing on the pavement at high speed. This is why I find it truly astounding that so many other cyclists will bomb it through pedestrian crossings.
Agreed. Acetabulum fractures, really horrible and serious injuries, often being the result, especially if landing on the corner of a kerb.
First one was a good clip. You threw me with your commentary, but you're right the hazard perception clue was already there in the 1st taxi holding back, some good driving from the black cabs! The cammer could learn from them: as the lights were on red from the very start he had no reason to not be slower & prepared to stop, or cede to the cyclist who would have overtaken him anyway to get the designated cycle area.
2:24 Yeah of course he does, he's a teenager, they haven't the faintest idea of what risk they expose themselves to, or others either really. That's part of growing up.
Totally agree with delivery companies being held to account for drivers as well as cyclists employed by them - from what I've heard impatience and bad parking is required to keep to the schedules.
With red lights one thing I would say is if I'm cycling and after a while go a little over the stop line and gesture at you to close up I'm asking you to put your vehicle over the loop in the road as it hasn't picked me up for whatever reason, but might pick you up.
That's also the only situation in which I may go through a red light - if I know the sequence and know it's stuck on red for me as the detection system is useless (also a couple of the lights near us don't seem to have a clearing sequence) I might pick a safe time to go through, or get off and walk. The last time it happened though was to get across a 4 lane urban duel carriageway with a shared use cycle path on the far side but no pedestrian crossing so riding was a whole lot quicker and safer.
I think bikes should be registered and have some level of insurance where when this is introduced should have the same 4 categories as normal insurance. Pleasure (free when introduced), commuting (low rate) occasional business, and business
So why in the first clip do you need to approach a red light in a busy area at a momentum that could hurt someone at all?
10:10 I'm not having a go, these things happen, but the term "All the gear - no idea" comes to mind on this one.
Just imagine a elderly person coming out of the shop when that idiot on the payment. Absolutely no sympathy when they get hurt acting like that.
@@mintywebb All I am saying is when you get cyclist going through red lights and on payments and they just don't care if they could knock a child or anybody down.
@Nigel Buckham Well you get cars driving on payments as well.
@@anthonywalker7240 Dumbass! a 14year old girl war recently killed by a car driving along the pavement, are you implying that had there been red lights the driver would have stopped, and the kid would not have been killed. What about the 6year old learning to cycle and was lucky to survive a car the mounted the pavement at 60miles an hour. The work colleague who didn't turn up for work on Monday due to being killed on Friday whilst sat in a bus shelter waiting to go home... Clearly motorists just ''don't care''
@@mikewade777Dunbass! of course I am not you get bad drivers and cyclist now.
@@anthonywalker7240 you went from shop doors to redlights to not caring. In a very antagonistic manner. ''all I'm saying''🙄
7:49 I'm amazed that this far food delivery cyclist used the road at all. Standard procedure in Manchester is for them to use the pavements
04:12 the kid is actully in the correct position to maximize his view, make himself seen earlier and inhbit overtaking him as not safe. If a car came the other way, he would move to the left . Well atleast thats how an advanced motorcyclist would ride.
The viewer was in the wrong as he beeped to get him to move over so that he could overtake at an unsafe place.
8:05 Nothing wrong with what the cyclist did. He clearly only sent the clip in to highlight the poor parking of the van parked on double yellows, facing oncoming traffic, and probably leaving the door ajar.
Considering he did a shoulder check, and did "go around the door", I reckon you're off the mark on that one.
Driver stopped to unload, perfectly legal on double yellows, holding their door as the cyclist approaches.
Complete non-event, no foul by either party.
Yeah Ashley says “just go around the door” and that’s all I see happen in that clip
They won't think it's funny when they get hurt
They just think ££££ as they sue the driver, unless said driver has video evidence of negligence on the part of the cyclist
@Nigel Buckham I already have two thank you, and have experience of the situation described. Funnily enough the only time a cyclist involved in a collision with anyone I know has been traceable.
A another great informative video, there are bad road user’s on bike and in cars, it is this minority that causes problems for everyone else.
I take some comfort from your comments about queuing cars on the first clip, Ashley, having made a stupid mistake crossing the road at a busy junction this morning when I was running. My view of the moving lane was obscured by the lane closest to me where there were cars waiting to filter right. Arguably the junction could be designed better, maybe the car was going a bit fast, but it was my fault and I should have taken more care. Like you say, we all make mistakes, and I'm grateful the driver was alert enough to compensate for my error. If we all do our best as much as we can then one person's lapse in judgement doesn't have to be catastrophic.
As the nights draw in I'd like to ask a question. Which is best a flashing set of bicycle lights or a steady beam or some mix front and rear?
Mix. I always run two rear lights, a steady and a flashing. Then if one battery dies or it breaks for some reason, you have a backup.
On the front I use a single steady beam on unlit roads, but would consider adding a second flashing front light if I were predominately riding in a street lit built-up area.
You need a red rear reflector and yellow pedal reflectors too. Yellow pedal reflectors are particularly effective (unless you've got large rear panniers on), being low down they reflect headlamps at a greater distance than the red reflector and their motion really shouts 'bike' at drivers, even more so than a flashing led light.
As a cyclist and a driver I find the best is either a combination of both or lights that 'pulse' rather than 'strobe'. The main thing to avoid is having them set too bright or pointing directly ahead. Unless you're riding on unlit roads you don't need >200 lumen lights that will just dazzle other road users.
They have different purposes, so its not really better or worse.
The purpose of the headlights is to light up the road so that you can see where you are going, other trafficants in the road etc.
A cyclist is not in a car, and they have no problem seeing other motorists in the dark. They have lights, so that they can be spotted. Which is why blinking is an option (I believe its statistically better, but I'm not 100 % sure).
I use flashing lights in the daytime because brighter ambient surroundings need something other than just a light to catch attention. At night I use steady lights. Two on front two on rear for redundancy. One of the fronts is a very powerful beam basically as bright as a single car headlight. Wouldn't have anything less for cycling after dark. I angle it downwards like a dipped car headlight.
Whichever you use, high viz clothing will do at least as much to keep you safe, especially if you're cycling in traffic.
Lack of consequences breeds this sort of behaviour.
(Yes, we all know they could get hurt or die if hit by a vehicle, but if you're gonna ignore traffic laws, you're not thinking that far ahead)
Your statement covers cyclists and motorists equally id say. Motorists kill 1800 and injure 180,000 every year in the UK, and yet the standard of driving gets worse and worse even with consequences. Is it a case of Monkey see, Monkey do?
@@DasArab you got to be a cyclist. So what's the number of people that get hurt each year as a result of poor cycling. You'll have a job to answer this as cyclist can't be identified unless they are flat on the floor 😉
@@DasArab Just because there are bad motorists, it doesn't mean that the lawbreaking of cyclists should be ignored. Both need to be tackled.
@@mintywebb I see your comment has disappeared. But It doesn't matter, I'll respond anyway: I said *both* should be dealt with.
@@cargy930 Absolutely, my point was your statement is true to both. Its a bit like saying "Oooo another Idiot BMW/Audi driver" Its not the car they drive, or the mode of transport they "pilot", the one common denominator? A human being.
Ahh the Worksop bypass roundabout. tbf they started a cycle path there and it's 15 metres long and just ends mid main road. The council can expect huge problems until they pull their fingers out and give us some real infrastructure. That's not a threat - people are cycling on a shared footpath, joining a cycle path which then dumps them on a bypass roundabout 15 minutes later. If they don't know how to handle it...they don't!
French drivers almost always close up to within a couple of metres before overtaking. That and the few remaining junctions where roads joining from the right have priority are the two things I had to get my head around when I moved to SW France. Rural cyclists are usually on the ball, though I suspect the high likelihood of a tractor appearing at 40kmh round the next bend or from a field could be a factor.
In clip 18 who paid for the damage to the car then ? Bet the cyclist didn't have any form of insurance. I see cyclist like most weeks in my home town but it's always the motorists who gets the blame unless they can prove otherwise
As a driver and cyclist, I'd like to see the law on mobile phone use as applied when driving extended cyclists as well...I'd even advocate for it to apply to pedestrians whilst crossing a road.
there was a video on a different channel pointing out that a lot of these businesses which depend on "gig economy" bicycle couriers for their business model are running afoul of labor laws.
this may result in a higher standard of bicycle courier.
Clip 5 I wouldn't use my phone but I don't even use headphones. As a cyclist my ears are my mirrors
In clip 20, I have no idea what the driver was just standing there for. There was obviously going to be some work for them to pick themselves up, so might as well prioritize traffic flow
I mostly agree.
I believe they were right to stop and make sure none of them suddenly cross, but once one of the cyclists waved her through I would have taken that as the situation sorted.
There looks to have been ample space for a slow and safe pass.
@@conorgreen3384 completely agreed
@Nigel Buckham who ever has what?
Might aswell expect meteors falling while I drive. I can have full attention while I drive, impossible to foresee everything. I’m a cyclist and driver myself but common sense is not common.
Could someone explain that last clip to me? I didn't see anything extraordinary apart from a bad emerge and red light jump
Great video from Not Just Bikes just released about the problem with quick cycling deliveries causing poor cycling and bad working conditions.
I'll check that out. We humans and our individual decisions are often influenced by systemic pressures, in other words there's always someone who's going to feel pressured into dangerous behaviour. As a cyclist the thing that most gives me the creeps, especially in London where they're all over the place, are those construction waste tipper lorries where the drivers are being paid per load. There's little worse on the road than hearing one of those rattling and speeding behind you.
@@alextw1488 Yea im a cyclist in London too and some people drive like theirs someone dying, alot of the time you hear them ebefore you see them ahah stay safe .
Shouldn't it the police who should hold them to account as well?
Top Brass don't want they to vilify large numbers of the population over trivial matters.
@@robertwillis4061 trivial matters at first then they get bigger and bigger.
Hahaha haha!
Top comedy.
The police? Doing their job? In this day and age? Brilliant!
@@fastfreddy19641 what police? Tories have cut them to the bone.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo yes your right that was a bit nieve
Pander around them so they never learn their lesson….
Stupid comment
The problem is that you can't use a car to teach that lesson without dialling up risk of death significantly. Teaching the lesson needs doing in another way. I sympathise with the sentiment though.
much like pop up bollards. Drivers never learn.
That car is going way too fast in the car park, which wiped out the kid on the phone, on the bike. Absolutely no visibility, lots of danger of people popping out of nowhere. It's not too surprising two idiots found each other.
Now I know I know why I went down the mountain bike route, even doing 25mph down a rocky decent is safer than riding on the roads!
I didn't realise it was not illegal for cyclists to use a mobile while cycling and I am frankly shocked and appalled if this is true - and as you are an ADI I have no reason to doubt you. Apart from the obvious impact on concentration, if he needs to brake hard (and therefore needing both brakes) where does he put his phone? Absolute madness. What is wrong with our government that they allow this? Cyclists using a phone while riding should be subject to the same fines as a motorist. Btw, hardly a day goes past without me witnessing at least one cyclist ignore a red light or pedestrians on a crossing. Cyclists know that without number plates the cameras are powerless to catch them. I'm not anti-cyclist - I cycle myself as well as drive but feel embarrassed to be one every time I see such poor behaviour. The latest thing which is proliferating where I live (West Sussex) is Sunday morning cycle time trials (races). It is illegal to race in cars on the road so why is it permitted for cyclists? Such cyclists stop for nothing and are often riding two abreast and leaving no gaps in front or behind too, making overtaking near impossible.
A time trial is something with a specific definition under road law and the requirements are different than for racing. There wouldn't be any 2 abreast riding in a time trial though, only one cyclist overtaking another.
@@ColinSmith2001 OK, I have the name wrong, clearly. Apologies. Race or perhaps just a large group of cyclists, whatever, I'm no expert. I am a cyclist, yes, but am not in any cycling clubs so am not familiar with the nomenclature. But the behaviour I have reported is accurate. The way they take up such a long length of road has to be seen to be believed and on a 60mph winding country road the large group of cyclists are near impossible to overtake as they leave no gaps to overtake them in stages - it's all or none. Nor do they stop occasionally to allow cars to pass safely. It really is quite selfish and therefore not good cycling.
@@Grahame59 No worries - the legal requirements are different for different events, so exactly what is happening will make a difference to exactly what should be done, and if it's a HWC guidance or something with more specific coverage (y)
@@Grahame59 it’s not selfish. The driver is no more entitled to travel at the limit (which is a limit and not a minimum…) than the cyclist is to travel at their speed. Everyone pays equally for the roads as it comes out of general taxation.
If you know it’s happening drive another route.
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Technically speaking, the food delivery cyclist has a mechanically propelled vehicle, and not an Electrically Assisted Cycle. The former is fully self propelled by means of non manual mechanical propulsion, while the latter is mechanically assisted (by electric motor) when pedalling only. The former is Not road legal, the latter Is.
„He didnt not look“, in my country is this big problem, with reckless driving of course. Sadly, many people relies on the defensive drive of others, or they just don't care.
In clip 18, that cammer really is just going too fast for a parking area
Edit: Obviously not good cycling either
I'll bet all the twitter cyclists don't think they make mistakes. The common arrogance and entitlement of the average cyclist puts them, in their own mind beyond any reproach. Laws don't apply to them because, hmm, any reason whatsoever.
I don't think you should blame young cyclists, young people are like that, and it is exacerbated, permitted, even caused by the relentless constant law breaking by nearly every cyclist who should know better. I continue my survey from sitting inside my car and very few cyclists let me down, ever, by obeying the law. The only reason cyclists stop at lights is if there is a stream of cars coming, if not, lights, pedestrian crossings, footpaths whatever, are meaningless to the entitlement the cyclist has that they can go when and where they want.
The evidence is pronounced in these clips and in every observation I make. When it isn't I will change my tune.
Why should the car following the assclown of the bike and the phone deserve any more consideration than that? Someone riding like that has consciously relinquished a degree of consideration by their behavior. And, is typical of most cyclists.
10:09
I'd never thought about it before
but as a cyclist if there's a c]cle path running round the outside of a roundabout it's safer to go counter clockwise so you've got a better view of traffic coming off the roundabout.
0:26 the Merc in the ASL. I know this road well, there's always a Merc there!
I was wondering is Ashley would comment on the driver being in the cycle box or not… both drivers were, the merc mlre so.
@@robclayton9612 all bikes and cars use them in London all the time. Needs a change of law that you can't argue you entered on green
@Rob Clayton I can easily make a comment on the difference in risk between the cyclists actions and the stationary motorist if you like?
@@ashley_neal I think the bigger issue is the perpetual use of the ASL by all motorists. For a while I had conversations with motorbikes and almost without fail they believed they were for motorbikes too. Cars don't see them so much that I've been stationary in the box and a car has gone into the back of me!
But these might be too London-centric. I don't use the road enough elsewhere to know.
@@ashley_neal the motorist, in taking up the refuge space at the lights, directly increases the risk to cyclists not wanting to get caught in the middle of traffic.
One knocked off, but none actually squidged! 😉😄
I think 10:23 shows how the new rules on stopping on the exit to roundabouts just don’t work and cause confusion. The biker at the front didn’t expect to be let across hence the woman behind collided with him. It was a busy roundabout and the cammers actions whilst good intentioned, caused confusion to both the cyclists and the drivers behind.
At least the first one was visible. I’ve had cyclists do similar, but much faster and dressed head to toe in black with no reflector or light.
The cyclists on their phone from France is vaguely familiar. I’ve had several similar,including on riding on my side of the road. When I beeped at him,all I got was a 1 finger wave. I stopped and he missed riding into me by 2-3 feet.
I don’t know what is more disturbing, that it’s so easy to bet this many clips or that nearly every one has happed to me while driving.
To loosely coin a phrase often used by @Gadger Meister......
"Have proof of your innocence; instal a dashcam".
A great catchphrase but there is an important addendum......
Follow the rules.
There is really no excuse for poor Road Use; no matter what you ride or drive. Take responsibility for your actions and you might just stay alive.
OK - Poor attempt at Poetry 🤣.
Keep getting the message out. One day, people might just get it.
Stay safe out there.
@@mintywebb Gadget Meister is not one of them nor, from the majority of Viewer clips I've seen, are his Subscribers.
However, I agree that there are a fair few that highlight very poor Roadcraft from the cammers.
I subscribe to many - in order to have a more balanced view.
Respect 👊👍.
As my late father used to say “what can’t speak, can’t lie”, it’s why dash cams are so important.
@@Bin-The-L-Plates Wise words from your late Father. Thanks for sharing that with us.
Regarding the "motorcyclist" at 7:00, absolutely agree. The delivery riders are a scourge. I'm a bike rider and sometime mechanic in a bike shop. We are flooded with bare-minimum repairs to the Heath-Robinson contraptions they ride, bodged from cheap mountain bikes with nowhere near good enough components for the (illegal) thumb-and-go throttled motors and 10kg of extra batteries they use. More often than not the brakes are worn to the point they literally no longer work - I've seen wafer-thin disc rotors crumble in my fingers and cables that have been completely disconnected. Before we even start on lack of lighting and complete disdain for other road users and pedestrians. Just like AirBnB, the gig economy creates another awful thing that either needs to be regulated or die.
Still don't think this one would actually qualify as a motorcycle looks more like an electric moped (AM) vehicle to me. Frankly putting an electric motorcycle class motor on that thing would likely just spin the tires if it didn't outright break the wheel bearings or other drive components anyway. This thing is not designed to handle the torque output of those things you need quite a bit more traction to have them not just spin out the wheel or worse. I know people that build and race them (legally at track events and such as being custom builds they are not registerable for road use) they tend to use a motorcycle frame, wheels, and brakes for those for a reason. A multi kilowatt motor with the large batteries needed to supply that much power at all much less sustain it for any period of time without promptly venting with flame requires a significantly more robust frame to support it too. Obviously motorcycle frames are more suited to this as you basically end up with a vehicle that is in the size, weight, and performance class of a traditional motorcycle if you attempt this so you need motorcycle grade frames, wheels, brakes, and other components.
@@seraphina985 If it has a thumb or twist throttle you still need a licence so as far as the law goes it is a motorized vehicle, even if is a pile of junk bodged from a bicycle. Electric bikes must be pedal assist and limited to 15.8mph (30km/h).
@@chrisburn7178 Yes exactly, I even mentioned the licence class required to operate them (AM), motorcycles on the other hand are in different classes (A/A1/A2) depending on power and such, they also have different age requirements and such to get a licence for them so there is a legal distinction between them.
As a general principle companies that employ people who drive should have the same level of responsibility that employers have under the HSAW acts. Incentivising or punishing employees in a what that’s encourages them to drive dangerously or providing insufficient training should make employers and companies liable for the acts of their employees
They are purposely organised so the companies have as little responsibility as possible. They are treated as self employed and paid by the run.
@@grahvis if it was applied using the same legal drafting as the HSAW then it would apply to those working in the gig economy or delivery drivers, lorries, buses, taxis and driving instructors😉
#20 Probably shocked by someone giving way to them it was obviously all too much ! 😅🤸😅🤸😅
2:32
“This clip’s from France, and contains something that’s actually legal in the U.K but that doesn’t mean it’s right to do…”
…being French 🇫🇷😂