Driving Fail Viewers Edition #4
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Driving Fail Viewers Edition #4. Huge thanks to all my viewers who send in clips, and even to those who don't! Was this the closest shave to a cyclist you've seen?
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“Good to see he gave himself a good talking to”🤣
Yup, he messed up big time and told himself off, bravo
I recognise the road, it's Ringinglow Road in Sheffield. If he had waited, further down the road there is a straight section with a clear view. Ideal for overtaking.
Major still its a narrow one, loads of bends and summits. I never overtake there
Not sure why all of you think he was telling himself off because clearly he wasn’t, he thinks he’s 100% in the right and it was the other car he was telling off come on people....
Kyle Shaw it was a joke everyone knows that
Keen cyclist here. I say to others: never ever jump red lights. I hear the argument that it gives a bit of cycling where there are no cars to overtake but it just isn't fair on pedestrians who have to be mindful of you and upsurps the moral order of the road.
Instead become skilled in managing the traffic around you, being either comfortable in being overtaken or confident in stopping overtakes.
Spot on.
I simply look forward to the laws being changed to allow cyclists to ride through red lights when they aren't going to be crossing a stream of traffic, i.e. crossing the top of a T, or turning left. Studies in Paris have shown that this reduces the number of collisions. The only reason not to change the law and improve safety is that many people will simply believe 'it's not fair'.
Saying that the attitude we see here is no different to the attitude of close passing motorists is clearly false. The cyclist sees nothing in front of them and can benefit progress wise and safety wise from getting away from the accelerating cars by riding across an empty junction without endangering others. There's a junction near me where, if there's a red light and sufficient time, I dismount and walk my bike around the corner so I can remount and get a clear start up the hill without being alongside railings on the inside of two lanes of turning accelerating traffic. Anybody claiming that I do that purely out of impatience and selfishness would be wrong whilst I'd be a liar if I didn't admit to appreciating getting ahead of the pack.
A motorist on the other hand, performing a close pass isn't potentially benefitting safety wise and can easily see the person he's putting in danger. Whilst there may be impatience in both scenarios, the attitudes are clearly different, one happy to slow, accommodate and give and take whilst making progress, one happy to endanger a fellow human.
No doubt people may disagree with me. But I'd appreciate any responses to target what I have actually said, not some bizarre interpretation where I'm somehow saying it's okay for gung-ho cyclists to plough through bowling pin pedestrians at will.
There used to be a UA-cam video of a zebra crossing in Denmark. It was lovely, the flow of pedestrians was continuous so theoretically no cyclist could ever progress along the road and yet cyclists slowly filtered through the permeable pedestrians with little hindrance to either party. Such a lovely smooth interaction, whilst in the UK if a cyclist attempts to even pass behind a crossing pedestrian they run the risk of that pedestrian purposefully stepping backwards to block them to prove a point. Why manufacture confrontation? I don't get it.
@@roaduser6438 I agree that a close pass and cyclist RJL are not necessarily of same risk severity, though legally the RLJ is worse. For now obey the law, perhaps some nuance could be brought in. Turn right at American 'intersections' is such a nuance. Maybe an amber light for cyclists for a little while just before main lights turn from red could be modelled.
I maintain there needs to be a period of time for pedestrians to cross and be confident that only a blue light on siren will pass RL. Pedestrians, being most vulnerable and not using a vehicle by choice should be afforded the most protection.
Another scenario I'm faced with near me. There's a short narrow tunnel controlled by traffic lights on either side. The pavement is too narrow to push a bike along unless your bike is in the road whilst you're on the narrow pavement. There are coils imbedded in the road designed to detect vehicles waiting at the lights. They fail to detect cyclists. When there are no cars the lights will never change for me. Should I...
A) push my bike slowly through on the road being in the tunnel for much longer than necessary.
B) just cycle through the red light and be out of the tunnel quickly, visibility is such that should any oncoming vehicle appear I'll be out of the tunnel well before they reach it.
C) wait in the vain hope that a car might turn up soon behind me.
D) take the 1 mile diversion along dual carriageways and through multiple junctions to avoid the whole problem.
Personally I cycle through the red light. It seems the most sensible/safest option.
@@roaduser6438 I'm fortunate to have rarely encountered such an issue, I generally walk them but here walking carries some risk. I assume they don't change as routine every couple of minutes?
The activist in me would call the cops every time to make a point but that's a bit cringe.
If not then I would dismount, walk over the line, so I can still have pride in never having RLJ'd remount and then proceed with caution, feeling tremendously embarrassed.
I cannot stand people using their phone while driving.
After my driving lessons, I would walk to a busy junction. While waiting for the green man, I'd always see people looking at their phones in their hand while doing a turn at that junction. It was incredibly irresponsible and dangerous driving but it was very common.
It was particularily annoying to see after each driving lesson during which my instructor kept saying the importance of observation.
I think the police should confiscate phones when drivers are caught using them illegally and will only get them back after paying the fine.
Same, I don't know how you can. It's hard to drive in the UK fully focused, never mind distracted.
Damien Fenton fortunately my phone goes on to Do Not Disturb While Driving mode, but I would always find somewhere to park before having a phone conversation. I was hit from behind by a mobile phone using driver, who hit my car so hard, that it spun to the right fortunately, ripping both the rear tyres off the rims. I was briefly unconscious, and couldn’t sit or stand for more than a couple of hours. It took over two years for me to recover.
Confiscating their phone doesn't really help, because they'll be straight to the shop to buy another!
Confiscating their phone would be illegal, and a bit like being back at school.
@@davidbrigden4194 It's childlike behaviour, and so it only seems appropriate to treat the offender as a child. Too bad you can't sentence people to a period of being spoken to in a demeaning manner... "who's a stupid little road user? you are! oh yes you are!"
6:12 had a similar situation the other day involving a cyclist. I was the first in a line, waiting for a safe opportunity to overtake on a 2 way road. And the car behind me decides to overtake me and the cyclist as I was about to emerge. Personally I would NEVER overtake a cyclist if I wasn't first in the queue. Plus, drivers often don't indicate when passing a cyclist, so could unexpectedly emerge at any time.
Yeah, I encountered a cyclist on a left hand bend, double whites and NSL. While indicating right to warn other drivers behind that there was something afoot, despite the bend being completely blind, some goat came belting up behind me without slowing, overtook me and the cyclist over the double white lines. Pure chance that there was no-one coming the other way because I didn't have a clear view of the road ahead so it's sure he couldn't have. If he had met anyone, the poor old cyclist would almost certainly have been caught up in the accident. Sometimes, you just can't account for people's stupidity.
Pedro Conejo common sense is like deodorant. Those who need it the most never use it. Seems it should be called “rare sense” with all the idiots behind the wheel
the wagon with trailer very scary ,great clips
It's why a lot of councils have removed them death separators in the middle of the road
I've had a number of similar experiences though usually with cars towing caravans, the drivers not allowing for the caravan being wider than their car.
I actually flinched when it came passed
Mostly , as with the one in the video , are foreign registered , and probably left hand drive . We do have some in the UK , but comparatively few .
Great examples. As a driver and cyclist, I am expected to stop at red lights and I do. I don't get bent out of shape when a cyclist goes through on red though. It's potentially dangerous, it's wrong and it serves them right if they get done for it but it doesn't create the festering hatred for all cyclists that certain drivers seem to harbour.
Same. and on that mega scary double trailer clip I was expecting the usual. Where a line of traffic overtaking gets progressively closer to the cyclist as they cant actually see them through the cars ahead.
@@chrishughes3405 The thing is it doesn't appear to be a line of traffic or that lorry would have overtaken way sooner and we'd have heard it behind the cyclist. The lorry driver would have had full visibility of the cyclist before starting the overtake
But you can see why it creates a dislike for them having almost had one on my bonnet if I set of a second sooner and witnessed another almost be pancaked by a truck they ruin the reputation of cyclists like yourself
@@TheBoro4eva The problem here is a human one. Drivers see a fellow driver do something wrong and if it's acknowledged at all it's only in relation to that driver or group of drivers (audis, BMWs, etc). If a driver sees a cyclist doing something wrong it somehow ruins the reputation of all cyclists. And if a driver passes a cyclist doing nothing wrong they don't even tend to notice or remember. Positive reinforcement is the tendency to only remember /focus on those instances that reinforce your already held beliefs. There's also clearly some resentment felt by motorists who feel cyclists get to use the road for free (not true) and the fact that cyclists frequently make good cheap progress whilst motorists are stuck in traffic.
So whilst I can see from a psychological point of view why motorists can dislike cyclists. The foundations for that dislike are generally flimsy and it's typical of what we frequently see with any outgroup prejudice.
www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201012/in-groups-out-groups-and-the-psychology-crowds
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5:39 Before the truck passed the cyclist, the grey van overtook on the crossing zig-zags. Same offence as overtaking any other vehicle on the approach.
Did a mock test for a colleague quite a few years ago, and 'failed' her learner for just that. Quite a strong discussion ensued.
10 days later, student did same thing on test - and failed as a result.
£100/3 points.
Thanks for the great content Ash. Glad to see you post that clip at 10:45 imho visibility needs so much more attention in road safety. I'm surprised it hasn't been given the attention it needs. I'd like to make a few comments.
There are so many times where I put my low beams on when it's grey and overcast. It just makes it easier for other motorists to see me at a glance, and makes it easier to see that my car's on and moving at a distance (if someone wants to pull out of a side road and is looking quite a way away to make sure the way is clear).
Then, there are also cyclists at night who have just ONE light on which if you're looking at them as a pedestrian you can quite clearly see them, but from the seated position in a car you're much lower down and their lights usually blend in with other traffic around them, especially in heavy traffic. I don't know if anyone else experiences this? Cyclists need more than one light, preferably one on their helmets to make it easier to see them.
One time, I almost knocked a cyclist over because I was parked and pulling out, behind me some way back were a bunch of cars waiting at a light and a cyclist who wasn't waiting at the lights and racing in my direction had their one little LED light on (at exactly the same height as the other cars at the traffic lights some way behind). But thankfully I saw them at the last minute but it made me jump. Again, an additional light on their helmet would've made them more visible.
Sorry for the essay. Really amazed none of this type of thing seems to get mentioned in lessons or as legal requirements. Thanks mate
10:16 there was me "just another BMW driver racing an Audi driver...."
That motorway clip, clearly the red car had missed the junction they wanted as they crossed the chevrons and nearly went in the grass
Imagine how easy it would have been to spin out and involve those pedestrians!
@@ashley_neal Initially i thought you were giving off about the pedestrians, so glad this comment exist to clarify it
I was thinking how he missed that in the first place 😂
Ashley Neal i thought the rule for pedestrians was to stand behind a barrier?
@@jacobg8162 what barrier?
The truck overtaking that cyclist was really scary! As you said, that could have ended so badly! That said, when I cycled, if I heard a truck like that I'd often head check, see that they wont give me much space and just get off the road..
11:00 As a motorcyclist, those people terrify me. I've been rear ended once or twice by people looking at their phones, i'm glad it was really slowly. Now i don't "wait" at red lights anymore, i get in front of the line when it's safe to do so.
One of the worst things possible on a bike is being tailgated by someone looking at his/her phone. Only thing you can do to be safe is pass the speed limit to put some distance between you and the person behind. But sometimes they see it from the corner of their eye and accelerate too, like they morons they are, still looking at their mobile.
Sadly it doesn't work the other way around, they won't pay attention to you braking and you'll end up under their wheels, or flying.
As you said, the perfect driver doesn't exist, how you react to other people's mistakes is what sets you apart. I think any motorcyclist or cyclist will relate. Because even if you're right, you're the one ending up dead when someone else screws up.
Regarding your "Wrong way round a roundabout"... imagine you're on a motorcycle going around that roundabout. Imagine you get clipped by a car driving straight at you coming the wrong way round a roundabout and you can't hit the brakes until you straighten up. You straighten up and head towards the Armco and impact it at a slow speed but fast enough to make you lose balance and end up with 1000cc bike pinning you to the ground. That gives the offending vehicle time to make his escape into the night and hasn't been seen since.
The joys of motoring.
"Good to see he gave himself a good talking to."
That was a joke right? (Kinda bad with this stuff sometimes, so please no one come in with "obviously")
Also, that lorry passing the cyclist.. I was thinking "Well, that's bad but not the _absolute_ worst.."
Then the trailer came.
If I were that cyclist I'd have gotten off the bike at the next opportunity and taken a few minutes to calm down, cause that would absolutely terrify me.
Obviously.
If it had been moving faster the cyclist would be dead. When large vehicles move quickly they create an area of moving, low pressure air around them that can pull you in towards them. I've had this happen a few times when buses have overtaken me close and at speed. It's terrifying but the bus get's past you before you're pulled under it's rear wheels. With this veritable road train you'd meet the side of the trailer before it passes.
The fact that the lorry looked like it was foreign/ left hand drive should have helped the situation there, but no the driver passed to close.
(1) I'm really intrigued py the interesting double-roundabout you show at the end of this series - where is it?
(2) As a cyclist, one of my heart-in-my-mouth close overtakes was by an 'off-duty' hearse! I rather wondered if they were trying to increase trade.
It's in Liverpool - Broadway roundabout, Norris Green.
I happen to live quite near the location of the clip at 3:20. This isn't related to the incident in the clip, but I want to point out the red car just after the crossing ahead, as it is one of my biggest annoyances. The area it's parked on has a kerb a bit in from the crossing, which is covered in white stripes, has double yellow lines, and the carriageway is still within the zigzag markings from the crossing, so you are not supposed to park there. There is often 2/3 cars parked here, and if you are emerging from the junction just after it, you can't see down the road the cammer is on.
That Canadian clip with the cyclist also proves why they need bright clothing and helmets,far to often i drive past "casual" cyclists as i call them who aren't wearing sensible gear
9:47 The pedestrian was a complete idiot for crossing when he did, but the driver's reaction to the situation was not acceptable and shows a pretty poor attitude.
I'd have to disagree. I think the driver showed a great deal of restraint here, and acted in a very forgiving nature.
1. He braked for the pedestrian to prevent a collision.
2. When the pedestrian intentionally collided with the side of his vehicle, he didn't retaliate.
If I was driving the car, I'd stop at the scene, and report that I'd been involved in a hit and run to the police immidiately.
@@dancoulson6579 Lol. "Yes officer, I drove into a pedestrian to teach them a bit of a lesson."
Then it's you in the back of the police car.
@@dancoulson6579 The motorist clearly could have braked earlier. Instead, they deliberately drove into the path of the pedestrian.
On the cyclist thing -- here in the states (or at least in California), cyclists are legally allowed to treat stop signs and red lights as yield signs, because there's some pretty compelling statistics that suggest that it's actually _more_ dangerous for cyclists to come to a complete stop, because they're unable to maneuver to avoid an accident. A car has blind spots and needs to come to a complete stop to be able to see better, but that's not the case with cyclists. Don't know what the relevant laws are in the UK, what the cyclists did there is probably the safer option. Cyclists aren't inside 2 tons of metal to save them in an accident, so going with pedestrians is probably a safer idea (though of course, follow the law wherever you are).
Completely agree with the red light bikes
As a cyclist hate it
Also hate when motorbikes go to the front where bikes have the extra space at traffic lights
motorcycles are completely allowed to filter in front of you
bug siins but they aren’t allowed in the bike boxes at the front of traffic that is what I meant
@@anoncyclist2131 .
The reason for ASLs is to give cyclists the opportunity to pull away when the lights change without having a motor vehicle close alongside them and to make it much easier if the cyclist is turning right.
Motorbike users do not have those problems.
@@anoncyclist2131 .
The ASL enables cyclists to get to the righthand side of the lane, something that can't be done if they are being constantly being overtaken or have vehicles on their right as they approach the junction.
It also enables the cyclist to take the lane ready to move off and to prevent possible left hooks.
6:25 Don't look at the parked vehicles. Look at the gorgeous view!
As a cyclist, I agree, no excuse to go through a red light.
And in all honesty, I will not say that I have never done it. Ash is right, it was for a completely selfish reason, me being late and trying to make up some time.
But I do try to stop at every red light, and 99.9% of the time i do stop, even at the pelican/toucan crossings when there's no pedestrians as they crossed earlier when the light was green for traffic.
In my time driving the speed people drive at in general has dropped a lot. I think the use of phones is a much bigger danger these days. I think if there was an easy to use camera that could catch it we would see as many of those dotted about as speed cameras. They would certainly make more money off it.
When you have your windows down it implies to other road users the vehicle has life to it.it is in use and could well move at any time, you can also listen for vehicle's approaching and pay attention to any fast moving reflections in windows as well as put your hazards on reversing, best reverse into drive ways in the first place up close to the house or another vehicle so its difficult to access the rear doors.
A couple of clips from my home town in this one. I'm surprised there's not more in all honesty. The guy on the red bike who checks for damage is a typical young person around here now
It's clearly illegal to run a red as a cyclist (barring the obvious situations where it would be dangerous to stop). But I mostly consider it to be a VERY bad habit to get into. The best justification that I have seen here in the comments is that it gets the rider ahead of traffic and is therefore safer to carefully ride through with observation. It is a shame that this is the solution some people use when really this can be solved by confident and assertive positioning on the road. However the vast majority of people start riding on the road with no training and see others going through reds and copy them. They don't consider that they can control traffic around them and it is this lack of confidence and riding skills that encourages them to do the wrong thing. Oh, and of course there are plenty of morons on bicycles out there too who simply thumb their nose at the law. I don't go through reds, didn't even when I was a bicycle courier, it is just not called for and is wrong. It is of course amusing to hear people talk about cyclists being given a bad name by a minority of red light runners but I have never heard of car drivers being talked about in the same way. I see the same number of cars go through reds as I do bicycles, and I know for sure which is more dangerous. Not justifying it of course, just highlighting a common perception.
@@alpd7638 Yeah. The reaction whenever a clip of a cyclist going slowly through a red is shown is always overblown. Yes, they are doing the wrong thing, we all know, even us cyclists! When a clip of a car going through a red at speed is shown no-one starts suggesting ways to curtail all car drivers. Again to reiterate, going through a red is WRONG, I am totally against it.
10:08 it’s just a man-child who wants attention and right of way?
How do I view the man punching the car? On the screen of my smartphone
The white car of course is desperate to race ahead and sit behind the red bus. Letting off the throttle for a second would have been easy. Looked like they were actually driving at the guy but perhaps they didn't see him til the last second.
Shouldn't have walked into the road. However the highway code is clear on this, always give way to pedestrians in the road
Hold on the pedestrian bit on the carriage way on the 3rd last video you didn’t see the red car at the beginning ilegally crossed 3 lines to exit?
1:20 I had an electric bus overtake me like this on a steep uphill road with good visibility. I couldn't hear it over the light wind blowing from behind me. Scared the s--- outta me.
3:06 bad drivers never miss their exit
Pleased you're featuring some cycling clips too. I might have a couple to send your way which I'd value your opinion on. Especially one which I reported to the police and was told I wasn't put in any danger.
I’d love to see what you sent them. Thanks for watching, Ashley
@@ashley_neal I'll email the clips and info over now.
Bogler's Lass of the Balls Pond Road (Rambling Syd Rumpo)
Pedestrian was totally to blame at 10:00, white car had the green light.
I find 0:30 to be a bit comfusing myself, actually. They should create a divider there or draw a continuous line to singal, or make it impossible to change lanes at the very end.
It would block the entry to the roundabout from the left. Also very clear arrows telling you where to go and the general rule in highway code telling you that you cannot take exit to the right from the left lane (rule 186)
As always another great video
In Paris to increase overall road safety red lights now only means give way for cyclists* I would credit Ashley with superbly consistent judgement however I think the is-ought fallacy may have crept in here. *it is more nuanced than the short explanation given.
If you believe me, my most favourite was the last one, the lady in the red Nissan on her phone and crashed with her face blurred. Onestly, what if she was going faster? I did also like the shadow of hard to see the cyclist in the trees one too lots though.
Mobile phones are a pain, it not just drivers, pedestrians seem to be just as bad. Seen many using crossings while still glued to their phones.
10:07 Pedestrian should've waited and not just stormed his entitled arse across the road and blame the car. The car was in the right. "Give way to anyone still crossing after the signal for vehicles has changed to green. This advice applies to all crossings." The light was green way before the pedestrian got onto it.
"Are you okay? No, I have severe whiplash." surely? ('Joking' aside, I'm glad they _were_ okay!)
6:18 Very educational clip. The parked vehicles are missable if you lack experience I suppose, just as something like a cyclist might be.
This guy was just an impatient driver, his judgment was clouded so he didn’t recognise the danger. Its s long and windy road with 40mph speed limit rising to 60mph just before the spot where the clip was filmed. Its full of leasure sunday drivers who drive slower anyway. This guy must have known the road and just wanted to overtake whatever it takes.
It's a pet hate of mine when I see people on a cycles who are on the phone ( the law applies to them aswell)
but " yet we can't drive the car on the phone 📱 we will get prosecuted because of our registration but bikes just ride off
The homicidal lorry driver isn't the worst I've had endured.
Without dissecting every single clip, a few that stood out to me:-
@4.15 A classic example of why you should reverse INTO a driveway.
@5.53 (thumbnail) definitely not 🇬🇧 driver but I couldn't quite see (even a replay on 40 inch HD tv) the 2 letters denoting which country this was. It was an inexcusable overtake 🤬.
@6.30 Are you sure that the cammer was telling himself off here Ashley? I think that he might have been 🤬 at the other driver for impeding this ill advised overtake. 50/50 regarding interpretation there but that is just my opinion - I could be wrong 🤔.
@7.31 probably taught by the "Diddy Men School of Driving": certainly not one of your ex-students 😆.
@7.45 Cycling Mikey would have got this one 6 points and a fine for sure. I don't condone mobile phone use at all, regardless of whether it be a 🚲 🚗 or 🚛. Get off your phone!!
@10.05 Pedestrian walks out - didn't even look! Cretinous fool was totally wrong to 🥊👊 the car. That is one of the reasons why I take issue with the potential amendments to the HWC. This was clearly NOT down to the 🚗 driver...... but that person would have taken the blame. Not good at all.
@10.27 the red car left it far too late for the exit - as for the passengers of the broken down vehicle, definitely a very bad place to stand. They should be to the nearside of the slip road in my opinion, behind a crash barrier & as far away from traffic as possible.
@11.03 almost impossible to spot!
@11.45 that reiterates my point from earlier - mobile phone muppet 🤬.
Great clips to showcase. Apart from the one "query" raised I can certainly agree with your comments. Correct me by all means - if there are errors on my part then I can certainly take a few words of advice without getting upset. We're all here to improve 😊.
Stay safe everyone 👍👍
I think "tongue in cheek" describes best ;)
@@ashley_neal 😆😆 No harm no foul 😆😆. Cheers 👍
I think Graham that you mean 'should not reverse OUT of a driveway onto a main road'. Reversing onto a main road is not recommended by the Highway Code.
@@johncranna I stand by my original statement. Reversing into a driveway, regardless of whether it be a main road, side road or whatever, by default means you will exit the driveway facing forwards which, in my opinion, carries a lower risk. Far more chance to see or hear traffic - especially if the window is open.
Perfectly reasonable point made though - no argument 😊👍.
@@grahamnutt8958 you're quite right!! Think I was getting my ins and outs and reverse and forwards all mixed up! What I also find annoying is the number of people who park in a space without reversing in so that again they are reversing into live traffic when exiting.
9:47 Everyone involved is in the wrong. The pedestrian shouldn't have been there in the first place granted, but I was always taught if there's a pedestrian in the road, they have priority. The white car was a muppet for clipping the guy. You could clearly see him, he was halfway across the path of the car before the driver even reacted and nudging him to prove a point could've gone bad in a hurry.
You say an overtake 'has to be done perfectly safely, with no risk'. I think we will have to agree to disagree: you cannot judge what the driver, or driver's of the car(s) you're intending to overtake, are going to do at the point of committing to your manouvre. You 'hope', of course, that they will maintain speed and position. But there is always a risk there: they may speed up, change position, brake, swerve or attempt an overtake themselves (without looking and seeing you). So an overtake has quite an element of risk, and it's about anticipating what the they are, and being able to react to them.
2:35 most confusing positioning. he should've just stuck to lane 2
10:05 Sure, that guy is a completely oblivious idiot, but that doesn't give you the right to run him over. Even though the law says you can't do it, i'd honk him. Scare the living daylights out of him. That'll teach him.
I would like to hear an argument, other than "because it's against the rules", as to why a cyclist should not be able to go through a junction at the green man if safe to do so. Any takers?
I'm looking for a healthy discussion
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cyclist-jailed-pedestrian-met-cctv-b1892789.html
The law for mobiles has now changed. You can't use it, even in a cradle, the only time you can use it while in the car is when paying at a drive through ect. Even using maps should be done before driving off now.
I'm amazed these people passed their tests smh
Think the guy in the little white van was Mr Bean.
10:08 on my mobile
I would never defend anyone going through a red . I have however heard the law could change allowing cyclists to go through them so they can stay ahead of the cars .
There's bad motorists and bad cyclists. No one should be running red lights.
I personally do not run red lights except to get ahead of the line sometimes and make myself visible. I think that was where you got some cyclists saying it is ok in those conditions. I have not seen anyone say an example like in this video is ok. So I feel you are misrepresenting what was said before unless I missed something? That example you gave was terrible from that cyclist - putting themselves at risk. I think that the vast majority of us cyclists will condone that. Also, we will argue against number plates, because if a bad cyclist runs a light like that - they are only really putting themselves at risk. That is another issue entirely. And it is not us condoning running of lights like that in any way. Just putting my side forward!
Using your phone while driving should have the same legal status as driving under the influence.
Was that fool berating his stupidity or the other driver?
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek :)
@@ashley_neal I understood exactly what you meant 😁😁
Comparing cyclists running rad lights to motorists pushing past is a false equivalence. A cyclist actually won't kill anyone. A driver might. The equivalence is that a cyclist might still profoundly change someone's life by injuring them.
Bikers have a death wish im sure of it, I would never put myself into a situation where I could get run over like a pancake. Roads are designed for cars, not bikes.
Yes cyclist not stopping at red lights is annoying but to compare it to a car doing the same thing is ridiculous as the car will be travelling faster and will do a lot more damage than a cyclist.
Well it wouldn’t of been difficult to of let that pedestrian cross. Exp as there was temporary lights in action. You cant punish peoples mistakes by running them over
As a pedestrian the thing I absolutely hate is cyclists coming up to a red light who do the bunny hop onto the pavement o cross at a green man pelican crossing as a pedestrian at 30mph.
Would the guy who tried to overtake dangerously who sent the video in please comment? I would love to know, now it's shown you were in the wrong if you accept that fact. The biggest issue is not people making mistakes but people not accepting and learning from them.
You were about 3 minutes late to upload, but I'll let you be for now.
the white van was annoying... looked like Mr Magoo was driving...
On one of my lessons a cyclist was right up the back of my car he made me a nervous wreck that day because sometimes I could see him and sometimes I couldn’t he was far too close to the car. Normally I defend them but after that he totally changes my mind.
Last clip makes my blood boil. Let's just imagine if instead of the dash cammer it was a child on a bike who had stopped to turn right. Disgraceful.
2:30 "The only person who knows where he's gonna go is himself"...evidently not!
You beat me to it. Lol
It's nice to have a dash cam channel that gives some discussion about the videos, and will highlight when the dash cammer could have done more. The other channels appear to be mostly clips of someone cutting it a little closer than I would pulling out on a roundabout, being accelerated at by a dashcammer to make it more dramatic holding down their horn..
P.S. I'd have definitely hit that cyclist in the shadow..
Drivers tend to overtake cyclists and give them good clearance and wide berth as they go past when there is no oncoming traffic. When there is oncoming traffic, or other off-side obstruction, they seem to think they are forced to go close because of this. The concept of holding back and remaining to the rear of the cyclist until a safe overtake opportunity arises is not considered. I think some drivers give a little consideration to it and slow a bit whilst having a bit of a think but still arrive at the cyclist with more speed than the other party and go past slow and close.
If you're a cyclist and get into the situation, well, you should be riding defensively and closing a small gap to no gap so they have to wait until it is safe for them to pass, giving you a decent safety margin. I would say, if the road is narrow and you, as a cyclist, would be holding up a lot of traffic for a while, if you can get off the road to let the traffic clear, that would be good :D
1:55 will defo be used in the hazard perception part of the theory test
I always have my lights on front & back when cycling, even in the day, for the very reason shown in this video 👍🏻
Same. Also helpful in low sun situation
I always have lights on when driving. Whatever the weather conditions are.
Some aren't bothering when foggy or raining
@@marekvyhnicka7172 Most don't bother until the street lights come on where I live. Even though the council purposefully do it an hour late to save money.
I only cycle on dedicated cycle paths , well away from other traffic .
Easiest way to avoid accidents at a roundabout is to slow down, don't overtake and always expect people to be in the wrong lanes.
You can say this as often as you like but the evidence from dashcam compilation channels is that a lot of drivers think precisely the opposite obtains.
@@PedroConejo1939 Most dashcam channels are full of numpties who spot a hazard and accelerate towards it while holding their horn down to create drama.
@@adg2396 Hence the term 'dashcam warrior'. So many drivers don't realise that being involved in an accident, even if someone else is being a complete knob, is largely up to them.
Road warriors
Some good clips and it's great to have some commentary on them. I use the road as a car driver, motorcyclist, cyclist and HGV driver. Each has it's own requirements but the basic rules all apply and courtesy helps in each one of them. Mobile phone users and people going through red lights are particular sore points for me.
9:16 what would you say to a cyclist getting off and walking across? Perfectly legal and safe, surely, and I would argue that any slightly experienced cyclist is just as safe when cycling through an obviously clear junction as when walking.
I get where you are coming from by mentioning 'what if car drivers had this mentality', but I believe that reaction is disproportionate as cars are able to cause much more damage (and have less effect on the driver).
A bike is one step up from a pair of roller skates, not one step down from a motor vehicle.
They would technically have to lift their bike off the road surface so as to not count as a vehicle.
@@radhanisthebold562 Any evidence of that?
"Pedestrian mode" and riding through an active junction when your light is red are very different things
@@roaduser6438 If I recall, a bike being ridden or pushed counts as a vehicle but I can't ATM go look up the chapter and verse.
@@radhanisthebold562 From what I remember a bicycle only counts as a vehicle if the cyclists weight is being borne by the bicycle. Thus when scooting along on your bike, standing on one pedal, your bike would also be counted as a vehicle. Otherwise it counts as much as a vehicle as this. :-)
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The driver of the white van has a commanding view of the road unlike the other van driver, one wonders if they were being distracted by being on the phone or looking for something.
Love the commentary, especially “not sure how useful that beep was though”. Very droll.
4:17 Reversing from a drive? I was taught, reverse in, forward out.
Great set of clips again, thanks (all) for sharing. "Take more pride in playing by the rules", a great mantra.
My favourites are the incredible manoeuvre across the three lanes and the white van who didn't know where he was going - mainly because I know the roads. Brought back memories of driving in Reading and North London - you think the driving in Liverpool's bad :)
I've been in Scotland for 14 years now but there are few familiar places from my time driving around Reading, indeed I did much of my learning in the area in 1990/91. Was back there when my Mum was ill a couple of years back and the roads around Reading are a complete madhouse now with the theme 'every man for himself' seeming to rule. I won't be hurrying to drive in Reading again if I can help it!
Goodness Rob, we probably passed each other in our learner cars - I grew up in Wokingham but my instructor took me to Reading once I was confident enough and I took my test in Tilehurst (passed second time in May 1991). I actually found Bracknell to be worse than Reading- in later years I cycled round quite a lot until I finally left in 2003 and it wasn't too bad but there does seem to be a special breed of impatient drivers in London & the southeast...
@@MK-1973 I learnt in Wokingham, as I used to work in the unit that is now Halfords next to the station. My instructor took me to Bracknell (for roundabout practice!) and to Reading. I did my hill start practice in Connaught Road, if you could hill start there you could do it anywhere. Passed first time in September 1991 (got very lucky!).
When Mum was ill with terminal cancer I was staying in the Bath Road, but getting to Royal Berks from there is an absolute nightmare having to get in the right lane of three to go around the one way system.
@@robnorth480 yes London Rd could be interesting at times. I'm sorry about your mum, that must have been a traumatic time.
8:19 No such thing. The lights on the opposite side, on the left, are perfectly visible. This is just a case of a completely oblivious driver.
No harm in slowing down when someone starts to overtake you in an awkward spot.
0:46 That's normal driving in US. I could make over 100 similar videos in one day. They only use indicators at Christmas time.
There's a specific circumstance where I've cycled through a red light. At a junction near where I live where the sensor wires under the advance stop box were broken, so at night time, I'd have been sat waiting until a car appeared behind me or on the other side of the junction, which could have been a very long wait. I even tried riding in different positions to trigger the car sensor, but it still didn't work. The road's been resurfaced now, so I assume the sensor is working again, although I've not been through it since.
Even as a car driver over nearly 50 years of driving, I've gone through a red light a couple or three times where I was convinced the sensor/timer wasn't working. Tricky if there's any pernickety coppers around though. Easier to defend with the invention of dashcams.
I've had good success with stopping over the sensors and then leaning the bike over horizontally so that the entire bike can be 'seen' by the sensors in the road. It usually triggers the lights into cooperating. Alternatively you can become a pedestrian momentarily by dismounting, crossing the stop line and then remounting then proceeding through the junction as a give way.
Alot of people do not realise that traffic lights do not always detect Cyclist. Ive been waiting at lights for ages for them to change as soon as a car arrives. But in most cases there is plenty of traffic about so this isnt the case. Its a judgement thing, but as a cyclist it annoys me the lack of consideration some people have.
Likewise - one particular right-turn filtre never used to register me on a cycle, but now [thankfully] it does.
9:00 Unfortunately I have to disagree with Ashley about cyclists and red lights. There are (very rare) times when going through on red is safer. On my regular commute I used to steal a few seconds by going through on red just before they turned amber, so I could clear the junction before the cars. The one time I didn't I was mown down by a Police motorbike turning left from the offside lane. It just ain't as simple as 'stick to the rules.'
I would be thinking of laying the bike down if a lorry with a trailer were to pass me that close. That is so reckless.
Would not even consider overtaking someone passing parked vehicles wide - what if there is traffic oncoming or wildlife happens to be in the way, that can not be anticipated, that is already narrow?
I was on country roads myself and have met cycling people without any kind of lights or reflective cloths .. "you are a driver, your eyes have to be able to pick them off in the distance" . . . I am only human. Always be mindful that someone else may be using the same strip of road, nevermind the vehicle. Be ready for risks.
Foreigner, probably LHD, which should have made it easier for the driver to gauge the cyclist from his point of view.
A lot councils have removed them death pinch point makers in the middle of the road really unsafe for cyclists
We should remember that there is much more variation between individuals within a group than there is between the average of different road groups. We shouldn't conceptualise tribally that "cyclists/ taxi drivers/ BMWs do this", to do so is the same fundamental idea behind racism.
You should be wary so as to anticipate certain behaviours from cues you see; car poorly maintained, taxi may be in a hurry, cyclist in jeans and high vis. But when you interact with someone don't think; "now I know you are X, I know all I need to know about you".
@64Fabby There were 3 blondes in a pub....just kidding ;)
It depends, a certain type of person will invariably be attracted to a certain type of car. I see many, many times on my journey's, people or styles that I know will be oblivious to those around them. If that is a form of racism (didn't realise BMW was a race???) , then I am sorry, "racism" has saved my life many times over. You have but a few seconds to make a decision based on what you see when navigating our roads, experience is something you most definitely cannot ignore just because it might offend someone.
@@DrWhosmate I didn't say it was racism. I said it's the same type of intellectual trap.
For instance, if someone on a bike changes road position without a shoulder check and then turns right. You shouldn't come away from that thinking "bloody cyclists", rather "bloody idiot".
Reason I say this is so many times that say, someone close passes and I ask at lights to be sure to give more space, I get back "well you're a cyclist so you RLJ, ride on pavements and pay no 'road tax' 🙄. Stop doing that and maybe I'll give more space".
@@radhanisthebold562 Sure, post incident it shouldn't be something you draw on, it is however inevitable for me that when I see certain groups I adjust my driving accordingly, at least until I know that this particular instance is not going to be a threat.
This is simply Pavlovian, learned from your day to day experiences. It is helpful to create groups or templates of perceived threats. There is so much information to take in and so little time to react that the brain does what the brain does best, spot patterns and takes shortcuts.
I do agree with you though that after the fact, if you find your self in altercation, those groupings achieve nothing for the argument.
@@DrWhosmate I think we're on the same page.
Great selection of clips. Really fascinating.
Slight point I'd mention about your use of language Ashley - you often talk about the car or van doing crazy things and fail to mention the driver behind the wheel. This use of language is often used in news reports (eg. 'a boy was killed by a car that mounted the pavement'). It's a point campaigned on by RoadPeace and might seem trivial but it plays a big part in minimising the harm caused by people on our roads. Would you, for example, say 'look at what this bicycle does next...' in an incident involving a cyclist?
Not having a pop. Loving your work as ever Ashley. I might even send through some of my cycling videos from Wirral some day soon... :-)
@@FoxDren You're right... I forgot to mention that you should never use the term 'accident' >>> www.roadpeace.org/take-action/crash-not-accident/
I always hate seeing people using their phones while driving, and I've only been driving for a year and a half! I have driven around 40,000 miles since I passed my test, and you see this everywhere, even on motorways! The way I see it, is there is absolutely no single message or notification that is worth risking my life and potentially other people's lives to read! It's worse seeing it on the streets of London with how busy those roads get!
I regularly drive around the country for work and it still amazes me how little people actually care about even their own safety!
5:27 I had a very similar thing happen to me with a bus, he passed me right before a corner, a truck came the other way and he almost crushed me, I had to stumble onto the curb to avoid the situation. I don't think he ever even noticed, sadly I wasn't able to talk to him
Me too with a car transporter, he was behind me as I cycled over a narrow bridge. This led straight onto a motorway flyover. As soon as I heard him rev his engine I was saying to myself as a lorry driver this is not a good place to overtake you can't see far enough. Sure enough half way through his overtake a lorry came the other way. His instant reaction was to cut back left. I had to fall onto the grass verge to avoid being hit. If there is stuff behind me I generally pull over before the flyover and let it clear as I get noone wants to be behind me as I puff and pant slowly up the hill. People shouldn't overtake but it's me who gets injured if they do.
Regarding the close shave with the lorry If the driver of the lorry made a sudden correction of the steering causing the trailer to whip then it could have been tragic. I drive big rigs for a living and one thing that I also often think about is wind turbulence that could upset the balance of a rider and possibly draw the cyclist under the wheels. For this reason I prefer to be as far away as possible when passing cyclists.
It's total blind luck that cyclist wasn't killed. If the bike had hit a small stone or something it could have moved him just enough to be into the path of that trailer. Terrifying.
Not defending people jumping reds on bikes - it's risky and unpredictable for them and for other road users - but it seems a little inaccurate to say it's "exactly the same" when motorists do it. Bikes are typically going under 20mph and don't weight several tonnes, so much more of the risk is towards themselves compared with e.g. car drivers speeding through a light that's just turned red...
Exactly! A bike is one step up from a pair of skates, not one step down from a motor vehicle.
In the very first clip , the blue car continuing around the roundabout was not changing lanes ; the camera car which hit it , was . That makes it his fault .
The blue mini emerging onto the roads - inexperienced perhaps , but there are no L plates , so ought to ba a qualified driver - so no real excuse .
Van driver at 2:39 has no apparent clue where he is going , judging by his erratic course .
At 3:24 the crazy cyclist may be concerned about damage to his bike , but completely unconcerned about damage to the car he hit .
3:45 windscreen reflections make it impossible to see if the driver of the white van was on the phone , but it is a possibility
4:15 no excuse for that van reversing out into the road - it should have reversed in to the space .
5:05 how arrogant of that cyclist to stop all the other traffic - that is not his place .
6:00 the overtaking lorry was a foreigner , probably unused to driving on the left
6:30 utter carelessness on the part of that car that blundered out across the road ; a horn warning by the overtaker was strongly called for .
8:13 the black Polo is stopped in the correct position , AT the stop line ; the problem is that in many cases traffic lights are positioned either too close or too high up to be visible from many cars ; I find this particularly with my Mercedes 300SL if I have the roof up ; with the roof down traffic lights can be completely above the top of the windscreen , but you don't need to be in a sports car for this to happen , so it is bad road design . The lights before the junction could , and should , be further forward , but the repeater set beyond the junction on the left are visible throughout .
traffic light clip , notwithstanding the lights were temporary , the driver was proceeding on a green light and the pedestrian was jaywalking - no different to the red light jumping cyclists in the clip immediately before . Pedestrian was entirely in the wrong and had no one to blame but himself .
Canadian clip - it actually adds to the argument for keeping your windscreen clean , inside and out , at all times - much of the problem there was caused by the filthy windscreen .
That choppy footage clip is the roundabout between The M57, Seth Powell Way and Knowsley Lane isn't it? Just round the corner from my house! Reassuring to know I have maniacs on my neighbourhood roads! :)
Looks like it to me - I've seen cars doing that myself too - then countless cars going into the bus lane!
I like it
Thanks for adding my clip! For anyone who has come to the conclusion that cycling is dangerous - it has risks but the health benefits outway the risks and the more that cycle, the safer it becomes. More people die getting out of bed than cycling... I'll leave yourselves to make the conclusion!
No so called health benefits can outweigh the risk of ending up dead - that is why I never cycle on roads populated by other traffic - there are plenty of safe places to cycle , completely away from motorised traffic , and since most cyclists cycle as a leisure activity rather than actually going somewhere , they should choose safe places to do it .
I would like to know how these people get away with using their phones while driving? If i was to use mine i would end up being pulled for it by the police because i am that unlucky.
Besides because i am a "new driver" that would wipe out my license straight away with the 6 points i am allowed!
The issue i take with the points system is that "new drivers" really do have the potential to lose their license for mistakes quicker than the "experienced" drivers, I would say the points should be the other way around with new drivers getting 12 points allowance and experienced only allowed 6 because they should know better.
Granted the above falls down flat based on the younger drivers doing the whole "i just passed my test now i got to go do a ton up a motorway" Yep my friends were those people when i was younger and i used to get in their cars when they passed to drive around country lanes at stupid speeds of 100mph and through width restrictions at 50mph.
I will not get in cars with people like this now though but back then i was young and nieve now i am old and stupid :D
The way i see it is that the fines for some of these things should increase ten fold because a £200 for using a phone just is not enough of a prevention in my opinion, I know you get the points too but a massive fine would make people think twice or at least i would hope it would.
Any ways these are just my ramblings and opinions and nothing more really but always happy to have a discussion about it and see others views on the system as a whole.
I had a Windows phone. It had a Bluetooth option which, when you linked it to your car, passed incoming calls straight to voicemail and sent a text and a voicemail to the effect that I was driving.
@@triviabuff5682 I know apple phones have that option as well now and i believe Android too.
My phone is usually either in the door pocket or the glove box and connected to my cars android head unit via bluetooth as well as set up as a mobile hotspot for Waze to use the internet.
Other than that anyone that phones me while i am driving generally gets ignored untill i find somewhere to stop if at all lol, yep i will make them wait until i finish my entire journey before calling them back lol
My family and friends know to call a few times if it's an emergency and i will find somewhere to stop to get back to them other wise they are happy for me to call them back whenever if it's not important.
'New' drivers are more likely to make mistakes, 'experienced' drivers are more likely to drive badly. I don't really like the idea of new drivers having fewer points on their license (especially as 'L' plate motorcyclists have twelve on their provisional license), so I can't agree with the opposite being true either. I think a better system would be regular 'assessments', free if you pass, chargeable if you fail (or perhaps the driver would be required to go back to a full test at the usual cost).
@@stuartking agreed assessments would be a good alternative.
The close shave was made by a romanian driver , in that region it's very common to get shaved by those trucks. Even if you drive a car.
Where I live, cyclists are supposed to be able to follow pedestrian signalling, giving way to pedestrians as needed.
My view as an experienced cyclist is that it isn't always necessary to ride in the centre of the lane at every junction/pinch point. But when it's necessary, it's absolutely vital, as shown by the clip at 5:43.