Is YOUR SUBWOOFER facing the WRONG way? How we locate sounds explained!
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- We all know that with midrange speakers and tweeters it is important to face them in the right direction and locate them in spots in our car audio system that allow us to achieve optimal sound quality. But why can the subwoofer be aimed the other direction? Why can it be basically anywhere in the vehicle? In this video I explain how we hear and locate sounds and why we can place our subwoofer box in different locations.
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Came into this to know which way to face my sub, left with 5 credits towards my engineering degree.
Lmfao 📠
and still don't no what way to face my sub. Of course it is in the back. Were else am I going to put that huge box. Mine is facing up. 20yr old cracked Orion sub still hitting hard.
Haha
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Top tier comment!
Im a medical student, i have also taken a few physics courses about sound. I learned a TON of information here, and you are doing a great job of explaining this in terms where everyone can understand while being accurate, Very good video, wow.
Good to have it appreciated. Unfortunately we live in tik tok society where everyone just wants a 3 second answer rather than understanding WHY the answer is what it is. Glad some people out there still enjoy learning
@@CarAudioFabrication I really appreciate that mentality brother! I love long format and loathe the short format, especially with this topic.
@@CarAudioFabrication well 10 MINUTES later we still have no clue which way our subs should be facing..
Solid gold! I was able to get much better sound in my Jeep TJ after watching your previous two videos. People always say upgrading the stereo system in them is a waste of time, but really if you begin to understand how sound works you can make some drastic improvements fairly easily. Thanks for making videos like this. So unbelievably helpful!
Another great example of why UA-cam is better than our education system. In this environment, the "teacher" is rated by thumbs up so we have access to experts in the field and they get paid for doing a great job. Thank you!
Well maybe we should invest in it just like we do youtube😊
I love the speakers facing back, I feel like the sound wave blends is a lot nicer like this.
Bruh, you went Engineering Explained!
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You never go full Engineering Explained! 😂
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Another great video from CAF. I'm in the process of acquiring components for my first build and I am using the knowledge gained from these videos to aid in my quest for better sound! Thank you for what you do Mark!
Good luck on your first system, now the bass bugs,has got you,welcome to the bassheads, basshead lifer!!!!
There are a ton of car audio shows, welcome !!!
Great video!
The tiny stock sub was in the rear deck facing down into the truck.
The new bigger and much heavier sub is still in the rear deck, but now facing up since that's the only that giant magnet could sit into the original opening.
I had my 10inch Kicker sub located in the boot facing the boot door. I was not so happy with the depth of the bass. So, I made two changes. One to stuff the port with tight faom to covert it to a sealed box and secondly, moved it to one side of the boot, facing side ways towards the innerside of the boot, rather than facing the back of the car. With these two changes, the bass feels lot more deep and cleaner. Not sure if it due to the sealing or due to the change in direction of the sub or both. Eitherway, happy with the result.
Years ago I had a 1990 Grand Am with an ADS sub with 2 10’s(sealed). I had worked for many hours tuning the crossovers and levels to get a balanced sound and I had to face the box down and backwards (swivel brackets included). When I sold the car to a teenager he immediately pulled out the 2 10’s and dropped in a Pioneer ported box with 3 12’s facing forward. It took him a couple of hours of frustration to give up and put he ADS box back in and suck up the loss of ego by having 2 10’s instead of 3 12’s. He was in disbelief that I got such a “small box” to sound that good. Interestingly we listened to vastly different music........
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@@Valverde713 What is ?
I had/will have a 12 inch JBL in the trunk of my Versa facing away from me. Haven't really tested that much into it but it honestly looks the coolest
The wave length is also why we hear the bass from the guy beating down the block and not the highs . The short frequency are absorbed by the walls
Correct!
what does this mean i want my subs to be heard down the block😭
@@noahon2k906 the wave length of "bass" are longer allowing it to penetrate obstacles with less loss of energy . High frequencies are much shorter allowing said obstacle to absorb and reflect better which is why when u hear an echo it sounds different, cause the lower mid range and down are not reflecting as much . Knocking refrigerators over when u come banging down the road requires a s%!+ ton of air movement , which requires many watts and many drivers
Actually it's because most cars with aftermarket stereos simply don't have mids and highs. I hear it all the time on my walks around town,a car will drive by 10 or 15 feet away from me, windows down, and all i hear is "thump....thump thump thump."
@@noahon2k906 I have 2 kicker compvr and they can be Heard pretty far away. I think each one is like 86Db or something like that
Car shape and sound deadening must play a huge role. In my 58 Beetle, I installed its third version of a “system” and this single 10” sealed box turned sideways hits harder than either dual 12” sealed box facing forward ever did. Always had only around 400 wattish amps in this car. Something uniques about the shape of a Bug. It sounds like a 1000 watt amp easily
Mark you have literally taught me everything I use now. Thank you so much for helping me become better at my favorite hobby
I like facing it to the rear. I "hear" the bass bouncing more and getting deeper that way.
Me too. I feel the bass bouncing back with speaker facing rear.
For sure, I have a star 15 in a ported box and had it facing up and it did pound but then I put it facing to the rear right behind the front seats of my blazer and it pounded way harder. Then I put it in the back hatch and it is night and day how hard it hits from the other two ways. Rear facing is definitely where it’s at IMO.
Same
This is the difference between having portholes and not having portholes or sealed box
FWIW, sealed boxes are described as more accurate. The tradeoff is power consumption/requirements.
10 minutes to say it doesn't matter which way you face your subs. 😂 regardless i learned something new.
One JLw7 facing rear in an ho box...1000w's. PLENTY OF BASS!! 👌
@@JrGarcia-dn6mp install the one and see if you still feel that way...lol It hits harder and cleaner than any pair of 12s I've ever had.
I have 2 10s facing upwards in my 2017 mustang and they sound really good .
I'm currently testing a custom box I designed that has the subwoofers facing the sides of the vehicle. The reason is for more storage in the trunk area since we have kids, and we don't want the subs to be damaged, and I dislike grills. Thanks!
Awesome info. I do car and motorcycle audio. We face our LF woofers and subs firing in from saddlebags under rear fender. This is great information....
It’s crazy how much of a difference it makes
Always facing outward for me. Actually right now I have 1 12 facing up and 1 facing the back. Banger.
My F150 Supercrew truck: sealed box under rear seat, subs down-firing . Wife's Fusion: ported box in the trunk facing directly up
Thanks for answering! Yes trucks can sound great that way or with subs facing forwards oddly enough.
i have a 4 th order band pass .the port is facing to the side of the trunk in a hatch back. Facing to the back makes the trunk flex and it loses alot of quality and it rattles and brakes tail lights ..facing forward its very muffled ..the trunk effectively acts as a second band pass enclosure if facing to the side
My sub is firing upwards, because that's the only way I could fit a 15 in my trunk
Same mine is under seat. 66 Toyota Land Cruiser
My 415s is facing up. Only way
My 5" is facing front.
Rear facing port.
Why you laughing ?
My 2 tens are facing upwards I feel like they sound better that way then facing towards the back like towards the twilight's.
I like it faced upwards because it travels directly into your seating area hence getting more bass, though keeping the frequency higher can mess up listening but on 63hz, I feel it pretty much amazing to hear facing it upwards
Eww...... 40hz and below only.
@@casemods i bet your system is just rumble lmfao, shoulda just installed a vibrator
In my experience facing my 12 towards the rear has a better warmer and deeper response, also putting the sub closest to the back gives you better bass as well
My subs face up and port is to the rear. Sounds great in my Tahoe
Very nice!
Same, I also have a tahoe with subs pointed upwards and a rear firing port
I have yet to see a SUV that didn't perform best with subs up Port back
That's the best for a Tahoe. Jeep Cherokees like them faced forward or backwards
I need to build a box like this for the tahoe. I just have a dual sealed with back raised a bit
Sealed under my F150 back seat, upfiring!!!
Nice! Funny how that can still sound great with the bass frequency sound, but now we know why!
Salute always blessings to all the incredible grind and motivation....
I have two 10” sundown sa classics. I built the recommended box from the website and pushed them together. They face forward in the trunk towards the cabin. This is because the box barely fit in my car trunk, and the way my wiring was and wanting to make sure my subs were safe, I had to face them forward
2 12's and port facing forward, in a hatchback, I get better lows this way. I tried back and up. Just sounds much better forward.
i had 3x 12's in a hatchback once. Found facing them backwards gave a better sound. sealed. Faced backwards ever since.
WOW, this was incredibly informative. Very well done
Liked because of the dog head turning fact:)
Right now my subs fire foward ,but the box is way tords ,the very rear of the trunk,port foword, I am testing, so this week ,I will pull the box and fire the subs back and hear the difference between the two, should hit lower back, we will see, love the content mark!!!
I have two Kicker L7S 12's down firing in a sealed 3.8 cubic feet 3/4" birch enclosure.
I have an F-150 and I have two 10in that sit in the backseat right behind of the driver seat
So when measuring the distances for the sub, how is it done? From the sub, through the seat to your body directly or is it from the woofer cone to your ears?
I keep mine facing the rear. I’ve tried placing them on different positions in my Jeep. Facing up, facing forward, sideways… I’ve found the best lows and punch is when they are rear faced. The only time I found different was in the back of my old Dakota. I had the boxes standing up side by side on the back bench. One forward and one sideways. (2 10” forward and 2 12” sideways). That was something else.
Thanks for the info. You answered my exact question. 🤜🤛 I just got 2 12s and am putting 1000w through em and was just curious what would happen it I moved them around.
I am so mad I didn't know about those cables you advertised.
Weirdly enough, I have mine on the rear seat, I did this because 1, it kept tipping over in the trunk 2, the trunk raddle is gone and 3, it’s a tad bit louder and it fits perfectly on the seat. Idk if it’s the best setup, but definitely an interesting one.
Mine we're facing rear but I turned them up as I feel they operate more efficiently and also less rattling for the loose framing of the rear end
In every setup I’ve ever had, sub back/port back always sounded the loudest in my vehicles. All open cabin SUV’s
Another important fact is that by physics, low frequency sounds travel in all directions(even behind the source) while high frequency sounds tend to go in a narrow cone infront of it, and ofcourse our midrange frequencies are inbetween these two, the travel path of the sound is a wider cone. Oh and my sub fires towards the boot.
I have mine facing the inside of the vehicle for 2 reasons, 1 it's in a trunk of a camry so the air flow really doesn't allow it to hit as hard, 2, I drive for uber and don't want anyone hitting or destroying the subs when they have to use my trunk lol
In my crew cab truck when they are facing me they rattle my eardrums and sound much louder. When I have them facing the ceiling the vibration seems to go out in all directions and is not as loud to the driver and passenger at the same volume.
I've gotten the best spl readings with my subs facing back. That includes a hatchback car, and in a trunk. I used to compete regularly, until some health issues. My greatest hit was in a 2012 Kia Soul, back in 2018, was 147.3 dbs, with the subs facing backwards. Regardless, to each their own.
Sub and port facing up in a hatchback. Tried several positions but this orientation sounded best.
Awesome! Its funny how you would think that it would need to face at you, but as we learned in this video it does not!
The two loudest and best sounding systems I've ever heard in my life were both oriented this way. The old '80s Toyota hatchbacks were amazing for acoustics. My buddy Chris had four 10-in kicker still Waters running them ported in his 86 super hatchback and it was difficult to sit in while being crystal clear
I've experienced in the past that facing them backwards may sound more affective if your not running much power let's say 750 RMS but I hate the trunk rattling, so I noticed facing them forward cancels that rattle but chokes out the base, until you fold tour seats down, I think my next choice would be a single sub to the right shooting left so I can feel or hear that frequency, any thoughts?
lol hell yeah , I have a 12' champion pioneer powered by a jbl gto 751ez behind the front seat facing the back of my seat in a holden ute. you feel it kick and watch the front windscreen vibrate.
I say go for it!
The video i been waiting for.
Currently they are down fire but going to build a box that’s forward facing
Highly informative as always
Glad you think so! Thanks for watching!
My XC90 its up. My B5 S4 both, E30, and Gs350 its backwards. My E38 750il is forwards with the port pointed in the cabin. All reach 140db+ and yes placement is key. Each car is unique and air space is king. The reason for the differences are that the air flow are different in each car. The S4s and GS350 share similar cabin and trunk space. The XC90 is an SUV, the 750 is a limo with more air useable in the cabin than in the trunk. The E30 doesnt matter cause it is a drop top.
Sub is facing rear... Non ported 10in 1000w sub with a 1200w amp in a Santa Fe with the stock monsoon amp powering stock speakers and deck.
My subwoofer faces the cabin. I noticed that when it's facing the trunk lid most of the frequencies spread into the lid itself and the surrounding metal (sound treated mind you) so it doesn't reach the front and blend with the front stage. Most enclosures will work better facing the cabin in my vehicle.
Interesting!
Type of vehicle? Thanks
I need help I just installed an aftermarket radio in my car and every time i turn my headlights on all the audio cuts off everything stays on but no audio I figured it would be a ground problem but how do I find and fix that problem thanks!
I know this has limited use to this vid, but can you show a ground up build? say you want to put a system into a 40 year old car. Gotta start from scratch. Where would you start?
for a sedan do you think foward firing sounds best want to avoid trunk rattle and i already put 3 layers of sound damp or is downfire best
Sideways facing towards the center of the car port in rear sub in the backseat end is the loudest.
Transmission line box port and sub firing to the back.
I have the Kicker quad box. 4 12s facing up and the port towards the rear. My roof flexes like crazy. I'm going to have to get sound Deadner and some plywood reinforcement in the roof
It's in a 01 E320 wagon. Btw
My Rockford fosgate P3d410 is facing backwards with the port out the side
Ported enclosure, subs facing up, ports facing up in a 2005 Tacoma. Just recently found your channel, love the videos, very well done.
Just curious cause I have a Colorado, what speakers and air space do you have with them. And I'm assuming with the options you had you chose the best sound.
@@MikeCodere23 Using 2 JL Audio 8W1-V3 drivers, each one is in .5 cu ft of air space.
I have 2 12tw3 downfire with GB60 in my doors in my 2020 Chevy Silverado, makes a lot of pressure, sounds great
Got mine facing rear. I don't like to hear the "punch" of the sub itself. I like it to blend in. For me, backwards is best.
i aim my sub toward the front bumper. i use to face it toward the rear bumper, but i didnt like it that way, too easy for it to get damaged by something in my trunk. sounds about the same either way. cars a Accord sedan. subs a 12" RE SE (sealed). love that thing ;)
My sub faces sorta up and sorta forward it’s at a slite angle forward but is faced mostly up
In an SUV the direction will probably affect mainly the phasing, as the larger space & glass areas would have to bounce the sound waves more cleanly than in a trunk, or the cabin of a sedan or truck!
I've got a pretty basic setup. A couple skar vd 10s shallow mounts in a downfire box with port forward on a 1200w amp. JbL 3 ohm mids & highs running off pioneer deck. Honestly it's pretty dang impressive for what it is. It'll rattle your teeth loose.
Well , I had my back seats up and my box isn't bolted down( shame on me) and my box slid forward just like 2 inches , and I haven't had a chance to really get back there and recreate that situation because I had to shove it back because I started getting a really odd distortion that I think was the sub actually hitting the floor cuz it had slid over a hump in the floor. But before that, OOOOO MAAA GAWD! I don't know what was truly happening but I've never heard it hit so hard. My whole truck I thought was going to fall apart from the vibrations. No lie, it sounded like I had something like 4 12s in some massive box.
I'm gonna try to recreate it. Part of me thinks that maybe some sort of phenomenon happened due to wires being pulled around and stuff getting tugged on from box moving, and I wouldn't think that minor of a move and basically not changing the angle at all, would make such a drastic change. It really was incredible. I've been running systems for 20 years and I never seen anything like it.
If you have the port facing the rear, it'd get even louder.
My sub is face up and its on a sealed box ✌️🏼
in my Exeo:
-Facing port backwards and putting it close to bootlid = No low rumble
-Facing port backwards and pushing it against the back seats = Low rumble but rattling deck
-Facing port upwards and pushing it against the back seat = Even more rattle but lacks definition
-Facing port forwards and away from backseat = Bass covers everything else
So what's the best way to face them
@@worldisDiffirent I had my subs and port facing the bootlid. Sounded the best after tuning the box correctly. On a smaller car like Audi TT i have, making the subs point up was the best.
@StaticVapour590 ok do u think I can try facing mines up I'm running 1 15sub on a 4000amp but I drive a 4 door charger
The last system I had was a lifetime ago in a '91 Eclipse. I had 4 12's in a diamond facing forward in the back seat. The system before that had 6 12's in a ported wedge facing the front (at about 35-40 Hz you couldn't sit in the car with the doors closed and windows up and breathe).
Yeah man, I miss my '92 hatchback 2dr Ford Escort GT. I had 4- 15" subs sealed facing upwards to the hatchback glass and I had another box blended in with that one with in front where the folding rear seats were with 18 6x9's. It looked like one huge box with the top panel over them but it was two. A wedged shaped box like goes behind a truck seat for the 18 6x9's and a sealed box for the subs with each having 1.5 cubes chambers. Oh yeah and 10 pair of "eyeball" tweeters. I use to get them at Cash America Pawn for $9.99 a set. Those were the days.
I hear ya!! Great video
Thanks for watching!
As long as your box is tuned to the resonance frequency of your vehicle, you should hear the bass all around you. If it's a generic box, you are going to hear the source location of the box. Bass is more omnidirectional than directional. The lower you go, the less you hear and the more you feel. That "feeling" is non locatable. In my 07 Avalanche, I took out the midgate and filled the vertical space with the height of my sealed box with two 10 in subs facing forward. 1800 watt system that pounds so hard that I have to crack the windows so I don't vibrate the windshield too much (had to replace it once already).
How do I find the response frequency of my vehicle?
I have a 15 inch emf lowballer facing up in a ported enclosure inside an extended cab Colorado
So should I have my three 12 inch subs facing towards me or towards the trunk? ( they are in the trunk, but my seats fold down so the airflow goes into the cab)
8:46 Lol. Im childish i will go sit down
When installing my first subwoofer in my car(back in the 1990:s ) I made a box that I tried in different directions to see which was best for my car. I found the best direction was backwards, I was at the time installing in a Saab 900 Hatchback from 1981.
Didn't all hatchbacks have better and cleaner sound facing the back?
@@MikeCodere23 No, I had a 85 camaro with 2 15inch Orion's and 2, 1.2k wat power amps and crossover i.the box utilized the whole hatch . Speakers faced forward to push the air away .
Was wondering if this is Brian Love ? 🤔
2 15 susing the whole backseat as airspace, but I think I need more power is still quiet or I'm deaf
Hiya Mark, great channel and I am leaning more depth of what I thought was right.
Where can I please buy some 3inch mids from?
Want to add some 3 inch mids into a project.
Thank you so much, you are awesome, only just found this channel and subbed to it ASAP.
I've had my subs face all different ways and can say that there is a huge difference in what direction it faces. I had to face the seat in my sonic because fitting it sideways wasn't an option and it rattled the truck lid to much. Even with foam and dynamat lol
With my old single sealed box just having it Off by a foot would mute the sub lol. Could barely hear it if it wasn't about 8 inches firing back into the hatch of my 06 suburban.
Hey everyone! Im currently looking at dual 12's in a ported box for my truck, i dont use my backseat so i was going to place the box on the seat, trying to find best positioning... port and speakers facing forward? Towards the back of seat? Facing up? I am beyond lost lol any recommendations would be appreciated, thanks! 2020 ram 1500 Quad cab
My 10" ported is on the passenger side facing the driver side but has more to do with lazy setup and usability of the trunk than sound quality it's almost always empty except for groceries on payday.
I used to have my DC Audio Lvl 2 in my trunk close to the rear seat with the port facing towards the taillights but about a month ago I turned it around and moved it near the taillights with port facing towards the front of the car and it hit noticeably deeper.
Speed of sound is also at the speed of light. But air slows it down.
Facing downward and can be flipped upward. Sealed box.. Can't tell much of a diff. 1 - 10w t3-4 JL Audio shallow.
Interesting most people here seam to have ported boxes. Of course I'm old so kinda thought if you can do sealed it's better. Wondering if a ported would be better now for one 10? Thinking prob. Porter is for sure better if there is a lack of air space. Love these videos always so great yo watch.
So. . . . which direction is supposed to be?
EXACTLY! Bit of bait click, he says he has another video on it but cannot find it …
Bass is omnidirectional. It also bounces of off walls and corners. We all knew this in the hood in the late 80's making our own sub boxes.
Soooo does this work the same for sealed and ported boxes. 🤔
I face mine towards the seat using a sealed box in the trunk. I've also had it facing away but sound quality dies out imo.
Subs face up and port faces up in a trunk they barely fit so it’s the only way I can make them fit
Go smaller.
3:58
You said that if you snap on my left side my left ear would hear fist. This is beyond true because I’m listening to my this with only my right headphone on yet my brain looked for what made the sound on my left side
Port and subs should allways face the same direction. Usually all the bigger cars, works best with subs and port facing back. Sedans facing towards to the center of the car, port in the rear sub near backseat. Hatchbacks everything up.
My subs 12s 2 in one box up to the sky comp c sound good and kicks hard like D comp on the real 600 watts a piece and pushed buy a 1200 watt Sony amp Care facrty door speakers and dull head unit man the second is great
Mark, this was an excellent explanation. Thank you.
My sub as well as the port are facing up, I think its the best option for my vehicle
What vehicle do you have?
@@RandomBlackGuyisrandom 02 GMC Yukon Denali
@@JDL16 so subs up, port back is the best option however, ot depends on how much space you have
@@RandomBlackGuyisrandom Why's that? Unfortunately I physically cant do that as the box was built at CarToys for a Mazda speed3 that I used to have.
@@JDL16 couldn't explain the math but I can attest to subs up, port back "sounding"better
I have 2 db drive G2 8" facing forward in my 2010 Mazda 3.
First off that speaker wire is really nice. Might have to check it out. My sub faces to the rear, mostly just for cosmetics. I don't think I've seen a video on it but what about subwoofer orientation in the enclosure? Most have the cone facing outward but some face it inward. Any reason for that or particular advantage of either one?
Mostly for aesthetics is what I hear people do it for. But also the volume of the driver takes up airspace in the box. So I guess hanging it out the box would give you more box volume.
I got A crew cab 2005 With ported 2 12s Sdr skar system above my seat what way should my box be facing????
Man im just waiting for q class kickers to be available to get Q class kicker 6.5 for my new car. Till then ill have to settle with JBL GX series
I got my box against the seat, sub facing up & port hole facing trunk(taillights). Sound real good to me, hits deep & less rattle in the trunk. Plus I got more trunk space & not worrying damaging my sub having groceries in the trunk.
Subs facing up port against trunk?? Is it louder like that ?
@@Views-xx2wt To be it hits hard. Deep bass. Inside of car sounds real nice.
I have a 2005 silverado crew cab. The stock system is Bose but I replaced the head unit with a nice high end Kenwood, installed by best buy but everything else is stock. My issue is that when the volume is up it gets really distorted and muffled. I'm not looking for a competition level system but I'd like it to play nice and clear at high volume. Are there speakers and components from amazon that are good quality? I'm also looking to put 2 down facing subs under the back seat. What size subs are good for all genres of music?
I got the most even bass response when having the sub facing forward.
In alot of vehicles, especially ones where the sub is pressurizing the cab, it seems facing forward (ported) usually works best for SQ
in my Ford F-150 I use two 15’s on my back seat facing forward right behind my head😎😁😂😂🤣😳🤯🔊 sounds perfect 👌🏼🤩😎
@@Rafael-lg1vw I built a ported box for a JL Tw3 under my back seat, port behind the passenger seat and the sub behind the driver both forward facing. It sounds really good
@@Rafael-lg1vw Silverado Ext.
That’s awesome 👏🏼 I’m going to build a box for under the back seat too, for 4-5 8” 2,000 watt Subwoofers!