2022 Toyota Tacoma TRD PRO vs. Nissan Frontier Pro-4X Off-Road Adventure
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- Which is the better mid-size truck for off-road adventures? Ryan and Nick hit the trail to find out.
#toyota #nissan #trdpro
CONTENTS
00:00 - Introduction
04:15 - BDR Trail
21:50 - Technical Off-Road
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I bought the Pro4X in Boulder Gray. Super comfortable on long trips and I think it looks fantastic. I also enjoy not having the same truck as half my city.
I bought the same one in California (high desert) and no one other than me has this truck. Toyota everywhere truck. It drives good and I have taken it to big bear and actually had to get a Tacoma and Colorado out of a ditch!!
Low keys felt that 😂😂 I drive a taco
Yeah but will girls still talk to you?
How's the turning radius?
Nice…handsome truck….
He says Nissan makes boring cars? Did they stop making the Z and the gtr? What sports cars does Toyota have? The bmw Supra? Or the Subaru FRS?
My thought exactly
nicely put
For real if anything Nissan has way more racing icons in history 😏
Toyota makes boring cars too. Popular, yet boring.
Nissan Frontier Crawl ratio 60:1 fully boxed frame Dana 44 locking rear (pro 4X) Dana front diff, Spicer transfer case, powerful VQ engine, rear disc brakes, bullet proof made in the good ol' USA. Tacoma=33:1 crawl ratio, C frame (with on going frame recalls due to corrosion) rear drum brakes, now made in Mexico, reliability declining and Toyota tax.
greetings from russia! wow, this is a battle like Kalashnikov vs AR.)) I love pickup trucks. God bless America
Thanks for watching! Great metaphor 😂
Спасибо! Из Америки
yup
@@DMJ160
Kalashnikov. Easy win for reliability.
God bless Russia 🇷🇺
You should have switched back and forth between the vehicles so you both can compare the trucks to each other, not one person's opinion against the other person's.
On a side note, I hope they make the next tacoma with more room inside so it's comfortable like the 4runner.
they usually do. but I think sometimes there is some paperwork and insurance affair involved so they technically can`t.
Sadly the Tacoma will never be as good as the 4Runner in terms of room.
Agree
They both have driven, tested, and reviewed the Tacoma. And I believe that would be the same for the Nissan. They’ve tested both, but in separate videos.
@@robertmisiuk7137 it's not the size of the cab that matters it's how you utilize it that's important.
I love the looks of the Frontier; it looks like a truck with some edge softening and details to help make it look current. And, I much prefer the simpler dash controls vs. the trend towards big screens.
The big screen in the NEW Tacoma looks horrible, like a Tesla i drove.
Same brother. I love the simplicity of my work truck (with no screens) in a '15. Fewer distractions and less stuff to break over time. Any specific additions that might be needed, such as a backup camera, can still be purchased in the aftermarket.
Also, my dad has owned a couple mid-range Frontiers, and they always seem to serve him well. Definitely wouldn't mind something like that if I ever wanted to downsize.
This is exactly what nissan offers on both their frontier/titan but the consumers want bigger screens and calling them outdated which in reality they making a product that would last longer with fewer thing to break but the consumers 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Physical buttons > touch screens
I have the 2022 Pro-4x and have done some pretty rough stuff with it, no modifications. Totally factory. It does all the stuff I need it to and I love it. Both are great trucks, it came down mostly to what the Toyota dealerships were demanding. A TRD Pro was going to be $63,000+ whereas the Pro-4x was MSRP + $4000 dealer markup. Both highway robbery, but Nissan was far more manageable price wise. I'm totally happy.
I've taken the sidesteps off and that resolved a lot of the side to side clearance issues. Might get a lift when the warranty is up. Other than that, I'm in control of the truck, I don't bother with hill descent control or anything like that. It's the perfect camping, hunting, forest road truck.
And the Toyota is the same price whether made in America or with cheap Mexican labor. I called Toyota and they said any truck on any Toyota lot can come from multiple countries, and you just have to run the VIN to know.
hill descent control in my frontier works flawlessly on hills like that. did you have your foot on the brake or accelerator? it’s only active if you aren’t touching either pedal. your brake lights weren’t illuminated in the rear shot of the truck after you flipped the switch, so I don’t think the system was activated properly. the brakes lights will illuminate automatically if the system is active.
I don’t think he used it correctly either. I’ve never seen it do that before.
The TRD Off-road is the more 1 for 1 comparison when it comes to capability and price to the Pro4x
Exactly!
Yep Pro4x has always been a direct competitor for the TRD Off road......not TRD pro
Truck king channel did the same bullshit comparison too.
@@dontdriveangree it's ok to compare them, but that caveat should always be added. It's a $5k difference, before any dealer markups
@@stopdamadness closer to 20k with every toyota dealership marking them up 10-15k.
The little steps are removable to improve clearance while leaving the rail for a little body protection.
It’s amazing the amount of UA-cam reviews I’ve seen on this truck that miss that fact… just take the steps off!!!!
That was a cool comparison test, good job gentlemen👍🏼💪🏼
The Frontier's running boards steps come off, takes literally 2 minutes, 4 bolts per step, do it while you're airing down the tires and then you have really beefy rock sliders on the side. instead of steps that scrape. I just throw them back on after I get done wheeling because I like how they look and my 5'2" GF needs them to get in the dang truck (Even more so once I get my 3" Nisstec lift on there.)
I have a 22 Frontier with the factory running boards and I would 100% recommend NOT using them as "rock sliders" the running boards attach to the body of the truck and not the frame. I took mine off and will be purchasing actual Rock sliders for this very reason. Just an fyi.
Does the Frontier come in manual?
You gave me a real reason to test drive a new Nissan before just plunking down money on a Toyota because it's a Toyota. Thanks.
I love everything about the Frontier - some may say it’s a dated look and feel, but with everything else getting uglier (the new Tundra, for example), and digital dashboards and iPad looking screens, the analog gauges and switch gear in the Frontier are more preferable. The upcoming redesigned Colorado and Tacomas will likely not be available with a V6. This is it folks.
Oh man the new tundra is just terrible
This is exactly what nissan offers on both the titan/frontier but the consumers are calling them outdated but in reality nissan is giving you a product that is less likely to break and would last you longer but the consumers are just 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ and is true a year later and both taco/Colorado down graded on their engine so yeah this is the truck to get or the ranger if you want to have problems
Just picked up our 2023 pro 4x, and very happy with it so far
What’s really awesome is that both are great trucks. Love having options.
True, but it's too bad the Nissan didn't have a manual option.
Great video! When I was shopping for a 4x4 truck the Tacoma was my first choice without researching anything simply because Toyota just dominates the marketing aspect of this category. However upon doing actual research (reading articles, watching videos, and talking to owners of each truck) I finally decided on the Nissan Frontier Pro-4x. You just simply get more bang for your buck with the Frontier - it's just as capable and according to many, more reliable than a Tacoma. When I would ask a Tacoma owner why they chose that truck the most common answer I would get is "because it's a Toyota!" But they couldn't tell you anything about the engine, transmission, performance, etc. It seemed like most people just buy into Toyota's "legendary reliability" without researching the Tacoma's terrible transmission history. I was able to purchase a 2020 Nissan Frontier Pro-4x with only 2,500 miles that was more affordable than a 2016 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-Road with 40,000 miles lol. It seems like Tacoma's are overpriced based more off of marketing hype rather than actual performance. They are both great trucks but the Frontier has a better engine, transmission, and more comfortable seats.
Good luck with your frontier dood
I did the same thing and ended up with one it's a lease might return ut if I can get something better for the same price
It's hard to talk about reliability of the new gen Frontier, because the engine and tranny are just few years old, and the rest is virtually new (like electronics and stuff). It does not share much with the "older" Frontiers, which indeed proved quite reliable (2010 and over, older had coolant/tranny failures)
Terrible transmissions? Lmao you don’t know tacomas. Yes they shift gears a lot on hills which is annoying, but they are reliable just annoying. The frontier is too new to know if they are more reliable. Good luck on the Nissan
@@eduardomendoza2989 I spoke to people who worked in the automotive industry and even have a friend who's job was to test reliability on many vehicles including Tacomas and Frontiers. According to his personal experience the Frontiers outlasted the Tacomas every time, and the weak point of the Tacoma is that out-dated transmission. True, it might be too early to make the assumptions on the new Frontier but there haven't been any major issues so far. I hope the refresh on the Tacoma (and 4Runner) will feature an updated transmission.
These videos make me want to make a month long trip out to Washington just to drive all these routes. Love the comparison - hard to go wrong with either truck.
Look up the North Cross State, Highway 20. It’s one of the beautiful drives I’ve been on
life is too short ,,, get out there
Love the videos, keep them coming! I own a ‘21 Tacoma Pro and love to get out on the trails. Can you give me more directions on how to get to this one? Where in Nile is the trail head???
Nice to finally see them side by each and to really compare David to Goliath. Awesome video yet again guys.
Great video. You really do a fantastic job…
I do not understand why Pro4x reviewers never remove the side steps, as they are designed to do when offroading, but still complain about it. If you're doing a comparison video, you need to match the trucks evenly in any area you can. Also, unless you go off road everyday, it's actually on road performance that matters most in any vehicle that will be daily driven. I've owned a current gen Tacoma TRD Offroad and a previous gen Frontier Pro4x and there is simply no question that the Frontier was the far better driving truck. The Tacoma was so annoying to drive that I sold it in under a year. With its terrible driving position, gear hunting transmission, bad chassis vibrations, weak engine, etc I just hated driving that truck on the road and that's what really matters in an adventure vehicle that is also your daily driver. I'll probably get another Pro4x, eventually.
You are right....the steps are screwed in. I have a Tundra with predator side steps and they are welded. I like the Nissan design of screws. I tried explaining this to some guy on another video and he told me Nissan steps are not removable. In this video Ryan even mentioned it with text.
Fake news folks, fake news.
@@cruiser_b9779 wtf are you even talking about
I just got the pro4x last Oct. I love it. I like most people drive it on the street 80-90% of the time. But i have taken it off road, and it performed just fine for a stock truck. The difference in price was the main thing that made me buy a pro4x instead of the TRD pro. Was almost 10 grand difference. I am sure the dealerships were just trying to take advantage. . I could spend the difference in aftermarket parts, and out perform the TRDpro probably. . ALSO, the pro4x has a fresh look, while the TRD just looks like the same old bar of soap. KNow what i mean.
@@invisibleazn9330 Same old bar of soap that can perform. Not the bath and body works fragrance poison you call soap, and totally use.
Looks like you guys are in the second section of the WABDR Section 2. Nice trail, nice comparison. Really appreciate for making this segment!
Really great video & review. Well done!
The perfect video for my Sunday
Tacoma has telescoping steering wheel but I can understand why you would think it wouldn’t, you gotta yank it pretty hard relative to other cars that i’ve tried. I didn’t know I had it until maybe 2 or 3 months into ownership of my 2021.
I like this guy but he misses some things. In another he complained about heavy steering.. not knowing it had electrical assist with 3 different settings.
it has kind of a lever under the wheel which lets u easily adjust the wheels position I've never had to yank it so hopefully ur not breaking ur tacoma :)
Lol when he said neither have a telescoping steering wheel I was like 🤨. It literally has a lever at the bottom 😂.
Great video can’t wait to see part 2 when you really get to test them out
There’s a part 2? Thought they have to turn in the trucks
I have a loaded 2024 pro4x red alert , leather , sun roof. It has plenty of technology. I love it , beautiful truck . $48,680
Yay more nick content thanks Ryan I’m so happy. His channel is underrated. We need to fix that immediately. Nick = angel
As I am a big Toyota fan. The Nissan looks really good. A lift and 33’s would be just perfect. And it’s a lot cheaper.
There’s a reason that the Nissan is a lot cheaper….
Though I'm not a big fan of video channel intros...your intro is on par with the best.
BY for one of the best true comparison videos I have ever seen. you guys nailed it 100% for me. I do not want the same truck as everyone else. All the men in my family seem to have Tacoma's and I feel compelled to go in the other direction. i ended up with a used Tundra which really is almost "too much truck" for me. I really really like the Pro 4x. and you guys have done a great job convincing me that it is ok to "go the other way" lol.
Very fun video. Being a Toyota guy, it’s fun to see the Taco doing well, but that Nissan is really impressive. Seems like it’s the better vehicle for most folks in terms of daily driving, and it clearly still does great on the trails. I’d be curious to pit it against the Off Road since they have the more similar suspension, but still. Plus, always fun when the people reviewing the vehicles are having as much fun as y’all are. Clearly I need to road trip and go test out that track for myself! Keep up the fantastic work. Always appreciate the level of detail you put in your videos
Also, y’all hit the nail right on the head with “this is what most people will ever do.”
No comparision. Toyota all the way
Tac8 6 speed A/T is junk. Wish I had not bought a 2013 tacona TRD off Road truck. Should have bought it in the 6 speed manual transmission.
@@josephmulheron652your biased opinion
@@TIJoe-te9qunah taco truck 100% last gen frontier was better then current frontier. But same can be said for 2024 Tacoma
Thanks - a very realistic review for the 99% of owners who will drive these trucks, and not modify them.
You have the greatest job man. I wish I could test drive 4X4's and drive on scenic trails for a living!!
Most driving is done on road, not off, so for me personally the on road comfort would trump any off road bells and whistles. I haven't driven either but the on road comfort would win the comparison. If you really need off road capabilities, and are not buying a vehicle because it looks cool, or for resale value, which is also a factor, then the TRD makes sense. For 90% of real world driving the Frontier is probably a better choice. I've also never experienced first hand the Tacoma's transmission hunting but have driven next to one that was doing so on a slight grade and that alone would make me crazy after spending $50.000 on a new truck with yesteryear's transmission.
I own a trd offroad 2016 tacoma and been driving it off-road in my rocky, grassy, dirty driveway. LOL Live in the city and my home is fenced in with a 1 1/2 acre grassy land. I liked hearing that the Trd Off can handle potholes, cracks and crevices on roads better so that is what I went for. Also been fishing for most of my life and from time to time, I do go fishing with my bro which requires going off-road so yeah.
Airing down would have definitely helped and lowered the risk of tire puncture
You can get upgraded billstien shocks from nismo at the dealership for the frontier & they make a huge difference both on & off road
Will pick up my Pro4X on Monday. I can't wait.
Hey there. I'm a viewer from Canada. Aside from the stock tires, which aftermarket tires would you recommend for the Frontier for the winter season?
If you added the nismo branded upgraded billstien shocks/ leveling kit bringing the cost closer to the Toyota's price point but still a little bit less you might have gotten a surprisingly different review I'd like to see a review like that
I still see the Tacoma TRD Pro with an MSRP of $10-12 more than the Nissan Frontier Pro-4x. And the Taco doesn’t come with skid plates, and they charge a lot if you want an automatic transmission.
I SO love those adventure rides! Perfect mix of gorgeous views and great reviews. Both trucks are quite good picks but I'll take a ZR2 because of Ryan's review :D
(Happy 4th of July!)
The Colorado ZR2? Yeah, I was considering that one. It was between these two, the Colorado, and a Gladiator Rubicon. I went with the Rubicon, purely for the off road performance, but I love all of them.
Gotta love the classically dramatic choir track with these big, clumsy vehicles slo-mo driving through muddy puddles!!
It was great to see you on the other side of the camera nick!
So can we take the Maverick & Compass out here when the trail "officially" opens?
Thanks for the comparison. Next time, I will prefer that both of you would test each truck, even that it will limit the time and the distance. And after that, each one share their experience and preferences.
The frontier may be my next truck. I have a 1998 Tacoma 4wd that I bought new back in 98. I use for gnarly trails. Its totally set up with driveline, suspension, armor and the winch in the bumper for the unknown. Those two models your showing are good for exactly what you’re doing but not much more without mods. I have a 2018 Honda Ridgeline Black Edition that can handle anything you’re showing on this video but it has crappy ground clearance so can do really bad ruts.
Drums music and puddle splashing, oh yeah! What a dramatic off-roading!😁
I bought a new Tacoma 2 years ago and ended up selling it back... the transmissions are very bad, sadly I didn't notice during the test drive :(. I installed a shift sense pro on it, but at that point it just felt like putting a bandaid on a brand new truck
I have that green pro4x, LOVE IT!!! The TRD pro was actually the truck I was trying to buy at first. BUT the stealership markups put it out of my range. In the spec i wanted was starting at above 50k plus tax tag etc etc. I got the pro4x in a higher spec trim then I wanted out the door for less then 50k. I am not a hardcore overlander. I just do light overlanding. I mainly just haul my mountain bike to the parks and help friend/family move bigger things. Was a no brainer for me to get the frontier. Also, Nisstec makes great lift kits for the frontier which will make up for some of the minor deficits to the TRD. May even in fact out perfrom the TRD with the kits installed, and money wise you'd be about the same level. I like both trucks, BUT I am definitely a Frontier fanboy now after owning one.
It’s July 3rd and we are getting steady rain here in north central WA state. This is unheard of for this time of the year. Our mountains are still green. Normally they are golden brown except for the numerous pine trees
No it’s not
@@AdandeJorcoza In north central WA state it’s not normal
@10:00 thanks for the technical info!!! very interesting dude.
I just got the 2023 frontier, I have not seen anyone in my town with one so that pretty cool 😂
Having sat in and driven both, I went with the Frontier. Toyota really needs to work on driver position/ergonomics. It just doesn't feel good, even after short drives.
it's all about personal opinion, I haven't sat in the Frontier, but the Tacoma's position is great for me, i'd like more telescoping, but other than that it's very good. Opposite to the older guy in this video, I prefer my knees above my hip, i don't like sitting on an office chair in any vehicle.
@@gwot I agree on the per person but Tacoma’s aren’t for tall people. The roofline is too low and cuts off my field of vision. Basically everything is too low for a tall individual
I purchased the seat jackers for my Tacoma the added jackers is like sitting in a different vehicle
@@PHILLIPS8822 do you sit lower?
@@jlaw1901 No to me a little higher
I love the look and off road capabilities of the Tacoma , only drove Tacomas from the late 80s and mid 90s ( smaller and less technology ) But i have a 2012 Frontier and a Pathfinder and i highly recommend Nissan trucks!
Wonder how reliable this new Frontier is? Or how reliable was the past Frontier?
@@chrisnguyen4611 they are very reliable..i had 5 have 1 now ....02 .07 .10 13 .2020..
@@ftheturks100 Agree. I'm on my third Frontier. The first two were extremely dependable. (I honestly can't recall a single time either had to go in the shop. ) And now I'm loving my '21. The only reason I sold the first two was because #1 The kids got too big to ride in the jump seats and #2 I needed to buy a bunch of lumber and out of three vehicles, it was the oldest. LOL
@@chrisnguyen4611 Had my Frontier Pro 4x since 2012 (its a 2010). As for reliability, I havent been too hard on it and have had to spend a large sum on the AC, and the cat convertor. Other then that normal stuff like tires and stuff.
The only issue is I have had 4 nissans in my 50 years and every... single... one... has had electrical issues. Nothing major just oddities like batteries dying, sensors going out, etc.
Overall still been a great truck and I plan to get another one in the next 3-4 years.
I believe Nissan did an excellent job all-around for the Frontier pkg. No disrepect to the Tacoma at all, as I am a Yota guy. The Frontier will make you look twice no doubt!
Nice . . . I've heard great things about the road between Nile and Ellensburg; it's nice to see the route from the ground.
I really love what toyota is doing lately with all their models
What? Not improving them. They are getting left in the dust. The ride of the Tacoma will never let me drive another one again. Horrible suspension.
You like Toyota ugliness, like the sucker fish tundra?
Tacoma= c channel frame, rear drum brakes, no power, 33:1 crawl ratio, made in Mexico with Toyota tax.
Frontier= fully boxed Titan frame , real power, made in the USA, 60:1 crawl ratio, Dana 44 rear locking diff, Dana front diff and spicer transfer case.
also just the right amount of tech.
I appreciate this comparison video, as I’m currently looking at both. I’m an avid off-roader and owner of a JLU Rubicon that has been heavily modified. These days I’m doing more highway driving, and the Jeep is way overbuilt for any kind of efficiency. While these two trucks aren’t an apples to apples comparison, I feel the Frontier has the edge in everyday drivability with occasional off-roading. I also like the interior and overall finish of the P4X better. Plus with the price difference I can build a dedicated rig to beat on the rocks. Good video, but the same driver in both vehicles would have been a better comparison. I could definitely see a difference in skill levels.
Now, going down the hill, if you put the pro fx in manual 1st with hill descent, would that produce a different downhill speed outcome, versus leaving it in drive?
Hopefully with the new tacoma toyota plans to release they keep the manual transmission as an option.
Tomorrow July 4th will be 3 years of ownership for me of my TRD Tacoma with almost 55k miles. I have totally gotten used to how the transmission works in the thing but I will say and it does also mention this in the owner's manual that if the truck is upshifting too much for example you're driving up a mountain pass and it's constantly shifting between 4th gear and 5th gear you simply put it over into s-mode and have it in 4th gear and it will not up shift anymore.
Love 3rd gen Tacoma as well.
Yup I figured that out too, people just love to complain lol. Also turn on ect power and it helps
Nice when you guys work together 👍🏼
This is an awesome video and a wonderful comparison! Envy much lol! What I've never heard of before though is letting your "suspension cool off"? Since when did you have to do that? I've never heard that before. What happens if you don't?
Only an issue over long, abusive transits. If you don’t let them cool (or have shocks designed for it) the fluid can break down and cause failure.
@@drivingsports I see! Thank you!
Back in June I was heavily looking into these 2 trucks. I ended up with the Tacoma, but both trucks are just amazing. I couldn't beat the price for my '22 Tacoma though.
DAMN
@21:17 Love how much shock travel Tacoma got on the jump and had more control on the landing.
Well yeah it has Fox shocks, it's basically mid travel set up from the factory by toyota. The nissan here should of been tested against a normal tacoma trd offroad with the same bilstein shocks as the frontier here. I'm a tech, just saying.
@@oldv1288
8.5” front & 11” rear suspension travel for all Gen 3 Tacomas.
“mid travel”… 😂😂😂
@@R_Tower You don't know what you're talking about.
@@oldv1288 Your own Taquito forums say otherwise.
Comment a Toyota link showing Gen3 Tacomas have “mid travel” levels of suspension travel😂
@ralatorre9 No, you're incorrect. As I said. The TRD pro suspension is basically mid travel set up. Just add a good aftermarket upper control arm it will give you even more suspension travel. That's why the Taquito here is better than your frontier. Besides, I've modded and been around Tacomas before your internet made them a cringey fad. Go away, man.
That was some real cute off roading
I would love to see a Toyota Tacoma, Nissan Frontier, Honda Ridgeline, Hyundai Santa Cruz road trip comparison. Climb a trail mountain like, how do they compare on highway
Only downside I can see if the frontier compared to the Ranger or Colorado (other than the parking pawl issue) is the lack of rear seat space for a child seat. The Tacoma, imo really needs some updates. Better mpg, power, and automatic transmission. However, still having a 6spd option is really great, but unfortunately, unavailable on the base model (which is what I would buy and do any upgrades myself).
Thanks tk
I fit a seat with no issue,, so not sure what size baby you need to haul unless you are sitting there in a baby seat
The advantage of the Frontier is that you don't have to have a crew cab.
Bro there is space for a car seat, not sure what you mean tbh.
I have seen this video twice and it is clear to me the Tacoma TRD Pro was way better off-road. I am 67 and have no problem getting into or out of my 2021 TRD OR. Also no problem with the seating position. The Frontier is cool but Tacoma is still King! It will also outlast and hold it’s value better.
Truth!
My two favorite off road midsize trucks!
Have you tried the Frontier in 4L and first gear with HDC?
I looked at both and went with the P4X. More comfortable, better engine and tranny, and no rear drums. Love it so far!
Doubtful a better engine or tranny.
@mysteriousoklahoma777 it is tho. The 3.5 in the taco is high revving engine and lacks power. The tyranny is bad and as you add weight it can't find the right gear. It's a horrible combination and severely lacking. I def wanna see how Nissan's 3.8l direct injection holds up in terms of reliability long term but I've looked and can't find anything bad about it.
There are so many taco videos where peoppe add larger tires and some camping gear or any load (bumpers or w.e ) and the transmission can't find gears and will keep switching on a long drive, that is annoying. Peoppe routinely swap rear end ratio to accommodate. Trucks aren't suppose to have to rev out to 6k for power curve haha, the Toyota does this.
My 2018 Tacoma has tilt and telescope on the steering wheel. Did they lose that feature or is the video just wrong? It's not a lot of telescope, but it's there.
I have a 2017 with tilt and telescope and was wondering the same thing.
2022 also has the tilt and telescope
2021 has it as well
Would love to see you compare these with a gladiator just to see how it is vs these vehicles. Heck throw in the colorado and do a 4 vehicle video?
Lots of wonderful logging roads to choose from...
Both trucks did great but I’m a Toyota guy that’s why I recently purchased a 22 TRD off road! Love it
They both did great. Toyota has more tech, for sure. I'm happy and surprised that just about all the new 4wd stuff from all companies is great! I'm impressed with just about all of it , really.
I get tired of seeing videos of nothing but Jeep Wranglers on trails.
Great to see stuff that's very capable and stuff that probably rides a lot better than a Wrangler too.
4x4's get banged up. jeeps are cheaper to repair, by a friggin mile.
@Vote_Blue jeeps are also far less reliable and breakdown far more often.
@@ranran2218 Brands sort of don't exist anymore.
2.4 Cherokee Trailhawk engine : Fiat
3.2 engine : Chrysler
2.0 engine : alpha Romeo ...
So who makes the Cherokee Trailhawk? Lol...
The transmission is made by ZF. Same company makes the Porsche transmissions. It's also used in the range Rover Evoq. Is it a range Rover ?
Is it a German car , a European car or is it an American car?
Wait a minute the 2.4 engine in the Jeep Patriot was a world engine used in several different manufacturers and was made mostly by Hyundai. So are Jeeps Korean cars ?
What's a Jeep ?
The speakers in my last Jeep were made by Mitsubishi.
Is it a Japanese car ?
It is VERY hard to map a brand to reliability. It's easier to map a particular vehicle to reliability.
@@off-roadingexplained8417yes, and if you look at the wrangler as a specific vehicle it’s far less reliable
My wife and I have a great comparative advantage for Toyota’s crawl control system: I have an 04 Land Cruiser with none and she has a 13 LX570 with the system. My bare bones rig is simple and strong and has no trouble with anything reasonable, just needs some patience and care with ascents and descents. The Lexus with crawl control is surprisingly intuitive but really does all the work for you and I’m honestly not a big fan of it, I’d much rather run my old LC where I have control. But hers has a fridge in the center console to keep a couple beers cold to celebrate a nice run so I think it all evens out in the end!
How much of the hill descent control is down to the tires? The Nissan looks to have more road orientated tires
LOL love the Tacoma but wow that crawl control makes it sound like a mechanic kitten
But it works very well.
Love the country you drove through... I've been on some of these roads in my Toyota Corolla! Going very slowly! Cleman Mountain, Wenas, Manatash Ridge... gorgeous in the spring for sure. Put a lift, better shocks, and bigger tires and get rid of the side steps and the Nissan is a great truck...
I assume you meant Forest Service rather than Parks Service. There's often many managing agencies in surrounding areas but there are typically big differences in protection and conservation status between national parks, state parks and national forest lands. USFS is part of USDA, while the national parks are part of the Dept of Interior. Wilderness provides additional protection status designation.
After tons of research I narrowed it down to the Frontier or the Tacoma. I'd already owned two Frontiers in the past so I went to test drive a Tacoma first. I hated the seat so bad that I went around the block and right back to the dealership. No thanks! Bought the '21 Frontier which has the same new engine/tranny as the '22 but with the old body style (which I prefer...plus I figure it will be easy to find body parts in junkyards if the need ever arises, LOL). Just curious...does that '22 have the option to switch from auto to manual shifting like my '21? If yes, I would have grabbed first gear to go down that last hill. LOL
I like the Frontier! I own a Xterra and I’ve owned it longer than any other vehicle and has been very reliable.
What year?
@@absolute.freedom 2007
@@mlm32809 good to know and thank you. Does it have the 3.3l or 4.0l?
@@absolute.freedom 4.0
I had a Nissan frontier a couple of years ago off road and it was great I should’ve never sold it. I test drove a Tacoma and I felt like I was sitting on the floor very uncomfortable very tight cockpit I would never buy one.
1000% agreed, I test drove a 2022 Tacoma TRD Pro and a 2022 Frontier Pro 4x side-by-side, Frontier is far more comfortable, Nissan isn't joking w/ their Zero-gravity seats, I swore by them in my 2019 Maxima SR (Road tripped across the country and never got fatigued from driving once) and LOVE to see them in my 2022 Frontier Pro 4x that I bought, full optioned w/ lots of accessories, for 52.5k out the door. With the higher price & dealer markups I couldn't get the TRD Pro for under 70k. The frontier is also a lot more refined on road and while towing.
Not sure if this was already mentioned, the Tacoma does have a telescoping wheel, you just gotta pull a little harder than you think.
My 2021 TRD Pro has a telescoping wheel....not sure why this one does not.
I drove both and bought a pro4X. Its more comfortable to drive and more powerful. More bang for the buck. The comparable tacoma for the same cash, did not have a locking diff, navigation sunroof etc. Etc. I lifted my frontier 2", added ditch lights from diode, method wheels and K02's, prinsu roof rack is coming and a bed rack. It looks badass. Rides really well and decent mileage. With these mods, 10L per 100kms
😂 upload some pictures
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The Frontier does have an “aged” feel to it. It’s Nissan’s “new and improved” truck that is too similar to the now “old”Tacoma, it’s like they’re trying to catch up to Toyota way too late.
@John Dough Nissan just recalled both the frontier and titan for the transmission. Something about rolling away in park and killing someone.
@John Dough man, I have griped up and down that the drum brake thing is NUTS in 2016, let alone 2022.
Toyota’s answer to auto journalists has always been “It’s for off roading and towing”…yet their Tundra TRD Pro has discs. Raptor…has discs. TRX, Rebel, ZR2, Z71…all the other off road options have discs. Even the 2500s have discs.
I can’t believe folks aren’t more bothered by the idea of paying todays money for yesteryear’s truck.
To me, they are both very good looking trucks. And they would both go anywhere I plan on going. I don't plan to Rock crawl. I would however like to own a home or Ranch in the type area Y'All were driving the trail. I think it would be nice to get to see that view on a regular basis. Looks peaceful as well.
I tried it but life without museums, clubs, theaters, and quality hospitals gets old real quick.
@@acedia4453 What if you never care for those things?
I would be curious to see how they would compare with identical tires and the silly nerf bars removed from the Nissan. A lot of the slipping looked like it might have been tire choice rather than the truck itself. Would be interesting to know.
Great point. I can tell you however, that those factory Tacoma tires are garbage. I owned them on my TRD Off Road and they are one of many examples of Toyota cutting corners for their bottom line. I cannot comment on the Frontiers tires. I don’t know what they are.
I was thinking the same thing. I barely put 5k miles on my Frontier before I swapped the tires for meatier tread. I hated the highway tires it came with...but I was able to sell the set for "almost new" price. It was amazing what a difference that made, too. It went from being floaty like a car to driving like a truck. LOL!
Trying to hold out for the updated Ranger, but that pro4x is sharp
After seeing reviews for the new 2023 Colorado and Canyon, Toyota better have something phenomenal in mind for the 2024 all new redesign. Available 310hp and 430ft/lb with towing capacity up to 7000lbs. With front and rear lockers and an 8 spd transmission… Better ground clearance, more interior space, more technology.
I've owned chryers ford's gm. Never again. I'd go with the Toyota because it comes in a manual and it's more truck than what I need. The Nissan is nice but no manual option.
That’s Papa John’s
whats the ground clearance and tire size on these vehicles?
Wow this video is fire
I think the pro4x is a much better truck than the over priced and out dated Tacoma, Nissan did a great job on this truck.
Overalll I’d take the Toyota but the Nissan is a very good option. The interior space would be the difference for me.
Pulled my trd side steps off. Was worried about snagging on side road debris but more so our calf’s and shin’s.
I have a Tacoma TRD Off Road and want to try out that trail. Where in Washington is it and what is it called?