Is E Standard Still Heavy in 2022?
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2024
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#Metalcore #Guitar
Jacob Martin | Gold Coast, AU
Okay so first of all, I’m sorry for the lack of uploads lately! Hope you guys enjoy this absolute riff salad 🤘💁♂️
Holy 🐄 that was juicy 🥩
It’s not okay
Great riffs and amazing tone man. Good job!
Годнота👌👍
That salad needs no dressing bro 🔥
This really shows how important the writing is and how unimportant the tuning can be. Some of these parts are nasty af (in a good way, of course)!
I support this
And good production helps too! This sounds awesome dude!
But imagine if this was tuned an octave lower, shit would have been disgustingly good lmao
@@juliobonilla3104 yep
Well said
Using inverted chords at times really gives it the illusion that it’s tuned lower than it sounds. Incredible playing.
the anime progression made it so that power chords werent used and didn't make it sound old. so it was genius for that fact with those voicings.
Mors Principium Est is great example of this move
Yes it does, I tried it myself and got surprised.
Old school guy here, still in E( mostly) and still use a valve head with pedals. Just wanted say that you youngsters have really done a great job of playing the instrument in new and creative ways. This was fun to watch, well done.
@Soulhazer It is quite fun to feel the heat from those tubes behind your back. I would someday love to try some of the new stuff out. I’ve always been curious if the new stuff feels valve like in a band setting. Someday I’m sure I’ll get to try it out.
@Soulhazer I'm just curious, do these new tech options really sound "feel" like tube? I remember one time trying out a 100 watt Kitana in a band setting and though it was loud it was drowned out as soon as the rest of the band kicked in. My son has a Headrush and I often wondered how that would sound ran through my Marshall cab.
@Soulhazer thanks brada, I’ll do some research on that one. Have a great day.
@Soulhazer I have a Katana 100 Artist and I like it but I see that a Neural DSP would be better. I just feel that for the money the Katana holds it’s own.
Refreshing to see an older generation not hating on newer genres/styles
In my wildest dreams I imagine being able to record something this fucking crisp. Jesus christ dude this guitar recording is studio quality.
Neural DSP Archetype Gojira, a looooooot of bands use it nowadays
@@afunerailles I had doubts about plugin amps (though I own a helix floor and now a QC), but if I had to pick a neural product it might just be the gojira one, the shimmer reverb really sold it for me (without trying to sound too much like a shill lmao, it's just really good)
The fret wrap helps massively, ringing strings ruin clarity
In my opinion the Gojira software is the king among others, got plenty of dynamics and is really good for classic tones and modern metal aswell. We are currently using it for tracking guitars with my band.
@@RetroPlus learn to mute
Sylosis has proven time and time again that E standard can still sound insanely good! Killer riffs, man!
What’s their best album to listen to if I’ve never heard them before?
@@neilwiththedeal they’re all good, but I’d start with “Conclusion of an Age”
Too bad they play in D Standard now
@@landhomer4627 yeah, Josh mentioned on one of his Twitch streams that their new album will even be in C# standard. Not sure if he means the entire thing, or just a few songs.
@@bobbyc_6d they're doing what Trivium did. And both these bands are E Standard kings
Dude, these riffs are absolutely insane. My. God.
Thanks dude!
someone get this guy on the shred collabs. unreal.
Thank you!
I commented him to Jared Dines before to be part of shred collab.
Ooo, that'd Be nasty. Hope to see it.
He would win before entering
The thing I like most about this vs the really low stuff is how clean it sounds and how you can really hear the notes. Still heavy af, still metal. Still 100% modern. Too easy to just super drop tune and just chug. This is epic
Thanks Dave, glad you enjoyed mate!
Okay, I can assure you this is not what I was expecting, but you've blown me away, what the fuuuuuuuu, the way you build chords and these lead melodies is just insane.
Thanks so much man!
There is a difference between sounding heavy and sounding low. Heaviness comes from the emotions behind the notes.
i mean low doesn’t equal heavy, but it still sure helps
@@sebass337 lol not really
@Tollonis lol depends how you define heavy , I think tightness , precision , attitude is massive . Compare acdc hitting g chords cranked through Marshall's , sounds heavier then Korn and their low ass tuned crap but hey that's just me lol
EMOTIONS LMFAO
@@TheGuitargod2269 yeah no thats just not it chief. Ac dc sounding heavy is not even a discussion to be had on the internet. Badass maybe but certainly not heavy
I really like your agressive/melodic playing style! I don't know why but it feels so groovy and different than most players/bands i listen to! You should really consider making an instrumental album, pretty sure a lot of us would listen to that daily!
Yeah I’d love to put out an actual body of work one day! Thanks dude 🙏
@@JacobMartin i completely agree this shit sounds so melodic i love it. I wasnt convinced e standard could be heavy until ab a minute in but you proved it. Sounds amazing keep up!
I get Erra, Sikth and a little bit of Within the ruins from these riffs.
@@alucardvania986 I've only listened to erra and I definitely hear it lol
@@valentinotoscano3944 could just be me but hearing some lamb of god in there as well?
This riff is sick. I'd probably go insane if I saw this performed this perfectly live
You never will. Unless all these UA-cam people finally start playing in bands and tour.
Not to mention these are often not live playing. He's just acting to play over the recording
@@wm1573 Yet I do not think it is less impressive though.
@@TheMauroTelles but its something to keep in mind since many people don't know this.
@@wm1573 I totally agree. Some people might think this is a "live session" recording. The editing and sound processing is clearly there. But will not prevent me from headbanging and being grossed by the riffs lol.
this really just goes to show how important musical context is and the writing and creativity over the actual tuning and little things like that. well done this fucking slaps man.
Ah thank you man ❤️
I have this favourited and I listen to it every time I'm feeling uninspired and lazy with guitar. such sick writing.
E is very much the heaviest…. Especially when it’s an 8 string in drop E tuning
Man I love that tuning. Going from Currents to Metallica in a matter of a few bars is so sick
Even better imo is drop A+E where you tune the B string down a step to A as well. Has to be my favorite tuning ever. I can get it to sound so brutal.
Agreed lol
@@jordanfrancis1074 I usually do that when I’m trying to play drop A 7 string stuff but wanna grab some notes down an octave
This makes me think of ETID. They play mostly in drop D, but in their newer material (last 4 albums) they've got a few tracks where the drop D string is tuned down to A, so that there's an open A tuning effect in the first two strings (Low D tuned one full octave down from A string) making for maximum heavy-duty riffage.
Brutal shreddage. Bulletproof rhythm and virtuostic solos. Hard to a master of both but this guy sold his soul for sure. What an absolute beast!
Wow, I’d be left speechless to find any bands who still play in this tuning who shred like this nowadays.
@@mattanthony2405 Oh okay, I thought they mainly fuck with D Standard.
Sylosis plays standard tuning
Polyphia play a shit load on standard tuning
@@bucket8870 Chon does too but I’m mainly talking strictly metal.
sylosis
Guitar has come so far that even just the riffs are like mini-leads now, lol. Killer playing, dude, and point proven! My go-to song for killer, heavy standard riffing is "Blackened". I know Metallica is old news, but that song really holds up!
their first few albums are not old news, still the gold standard for thrash riffs.
Thats my favorite metallica song!!
The majority of Megadeth songs are that way. The rhythm guitar is basically playing lead the whole song.
Metallica definitely isn't old news though. They are easily the most influential guitar band of today and easily the top 10 of all time. 8 out of 10 of the top Songster tracks searched are all Metallica songs. 8 out of frigging 10 and some days it's 10 of 10. Old news is The Beatles. The God darn world destroying hippies still act like they're the only band worth talking about. These people are delusional. Don't fall for their nice guy attitudes, they're mostly total scum in reality. Don't believe me, try having a real conversation with them and disagree with their opinion. If you dare! All the problems of society right now are completely caused by these literal terrorists.
Thrash style playing is the heaviest six string standard E sound that can be achieved. Six string djent sounds underwhelming.
@@NeonBlazeMusic djent itself is underwhelming. Sounds the same no matter the number of strings. The lowness of a strings tuning doesn't effect the heaviness of a riff, only your perception is affected having heard E standard so often.
The Dillinger Escape Plan who was arguably one of the heaviest metal acts played all their tracks in E standard
Was about to say the exact same shit.
RIP Dillinger 🙏
@@brysonrichey6707 I was lucky enough to catch their farewell tour in NY shit was wild.
Jeez for as much as I’ve listened to them, I just always assumed it was an alternate tuning. The songs’ structures throw me off!
@@bearres nope all standard, Ben didn’t want kids having to buy a different guitar to be able to play along like a 7 or 8 sting and I think that’s super admirable.
I think the tuning aspect is more so down to preference. However I would be interested to see what this sound like in drop G or F for a comparison
I think it would sound more like a mess
@@vayu7613 Loathe plays really technical stuff in modified drop E and it sounds nasty, maybe they’ll change your mind 🤭
You know it would sound fucking gnarly in drop f
It would sound a lot heavier lol
Drip Q
Holy hell man, that was absolutely insane. The riffs were incredible and the melodies were super satisfying. Once again you inspire me to go pick up my guitar and jam. We need a solo album asap. Superb playing good sir!
Thanks for the kind words mate! Really appreciate it
man those palm mutes at 0:38 just hit that much harder when surrounded by the frantic playing that surrounds it. great stuff!
Opeth's songs Deliverance and Heir Apparent are great examples of heavy songs in standard tuning.
Yasss the mighty Opeth!
It's not about what you tune to, it's about how good your riffs are.
I always feel there's a natural compression of the tone in E standard with heavy gain electric guitars. I've played Drop D, C# and C for years, and when I go back to E standard on a pair of humbuckers with a crunchy tight gain sound, it always surprises me. The drop tones just seem to flub out and take more tweaking to get that compression back.
Ive thought about this; i personally think it comes down to the pickups having better frequency response in the E standard range, meaning that the volumes of each string's notes are higher and closer together than if they were tuned lower.
I think this is where active pickups come in, or probably a guitar with a different capacitor/resistance circuit (the cap and resistors often placed in the tone control act as a low pass, and the inductance of the coils would probably create a high pass if my electrical memory serves me right)
@@Pyrohawk All true, and then add to this the neverending saga of string gauge, speaker size, composition and power, amplifier or direct in, and the fact that for decades and until more recently, majority of guitar equipment was s based off of and tuned to E Standard tuning for optimal performance and sound quality.
I love C standard because of Queens of the stone age
it is easy to sound heavy with lower tunings and 7 and 8 strings guitars , playing in e standard needs truly heavy riffs to sound heavy and thats the reason why the bands from the 80's and 90's are so memorable , back then metal was all about riffs in e , eb, drop d or d (c was mostly about death metal ) now is all about how low can one go and the lowest the heaviest...
I love low tunings but things are becoming ridiculous, some bands just sound like a wall of noise. This proves that the most important thing is to write cool stuff. This video is sick. Im a simple chugger but I appreciate all these finger pirouettes.Are there any bands in this genre that still play in E standard? Thanks!
Sylosis, Opeth, Megadeth
yes this is closest to Sylosis, although they play a lot in D standard nowadays too, but they're still insane!
Ten56 lol
Pomegranate Tiger when they were still together
I agree with the wall of noise BS. I can’t stand most new metal bands. Not necessarily because they’re tuned low but because they’re tuned so low the production can’t sound clear.
Monuments plays in a near-standard tuning for a lot of their songs (DADGAD) and they write some of the heaviest riffs in their respective genre.
The Helix Nebula are another awesome example of E standard progressive metal, much like this sound, groovy, technical, heavy, soft all at the same time and just genuinely perfectly written. This is fucking insane though dude I've just listened/ watched this 5 times over! You definitely need to put out an album! 🤘
If the bass has enought low end and subbass its enough to make everything sound heavy, even a indie, latin pop, trap record, etc. Traditional records always used miced amps and there was not too much tecnology for monitoring the subbass frequencies.
Dude this is phenomenal! I’m old school so I still love E standard. You do realise that now you need to do a full album like this 😜
Ahahah, thanks dude!
This is awesome. I love really low-tuned metal as much as the next guy, but if an artist can write music that's legitimately heavy and aggressive without substantially low tunings; that's always just been super impressive to me. It just tends to have this sense of tightness and control that feels very satisfying to me. WRAABB by TDWP is an excellent example, I believe its mostly (if not all) in Drop D. And so much stuff by Monuments is in DADGAD.
Heaviness is almost entirely in the writing, tuning is the gravy on top
I think mixing is what is really important to make something sound heavy. There has to be enough low frequency sound in the mix and It doesn't really matter what instrument is producing it. It could be produced by a bass or a synth or an 8 string guitar, it doesn't matter, but in order to have wide, thick, heavy sound you need low notes to be present.
Absolutely. The breakdown riff in Megadeth's "The Conjuring" off of Peace Sells is still one of the gnarliest riffs in all of metal.
I second this. Thing about that riff too is that its so heavy yet so light on its feet and is groovy as hell.
@@sebastiandelacruz3849 I second this.
opeth's the grand conjuration is nasty too
Fatal illusion and all of the Dystopia album was HEAVY. Megadeth has aged like wine while Metallica like milk.
@@sharrer2 Metallica aged like milk? Delusional
Dude that first tapping riff after the intro riff was very fucking cool & creative
A lot of these riffs are!
The part around 00:25 reminds me of Mors Principium Est style riffing, the chorus-y part has some Aaron Marshall/Intervals vibe, cool shit! And yes, E Standard is still one of my go-to tunings!
Comparison to Mors Principium Est is so on point. Basically to sound heavy in E standard you base riffs on harmonic minor and that's it lol
Hell we don't even need new music to prove this: just listen to 80's thrash, that shit still slaps.
Jacob, you’re a very natural player. Obviously you have skill.., but what I like most is the ease in which you play. That’s a testament to hard practice sessions. Amazing work
I’ve certainly spent countless amounts of hours at this hahaha. Thank you for the kind words mate!
Absolutely incredible, Jacob. I think the answer is a resounding yes!
Thank you Andy! 🙏
@@JacobMartin you’re welcome! Some of your riffs reminded me of Pomegranate Tiger - if you’ve never listened to them they are epic!
Man your creativity is mind blowing. Would love to listen this riffs to a complete song.
It's as metal as you make it... and you *MADE* it - Love it in E
E standard is great, most of the modern heavy bands seem to neglect it but I don't really see a reason for it.
Sylosis, Mors Principium Est! They sound really heavy and cool riffing in E Standard
unreal playing you are a legend
this was SO good!
Yup, that's all it takes. Delicious riffs in one video is all I need to subscribe. This was tasty to my ears, thank you.
Opeth and Dream Theater have some crushing riffs in E Standard. I don't think this tuning can ever evoke the same heavy feelings as D and C simply because of the difference in tone, but as this video proves, melting faces is clearly not subject to a specific tuning. Fantastic as always man!
All Ne Obliviscaris guitars are in E Standard and they're pretty damn heavy at times
@@Sabin41 I never heard of them but you just got me hooked-it's amazing what the Internet can do. Elizabeth from The Charismatic Voice does an amazing reaction to one of their live songs that I recommend to anybody reading this.
@@brandensherman a new NeO fan, yay! Eyrie is one of my favorite songs
@@brandensherman Welcome aboard to NeO! I'm kinda new as well (been introduced to them like, a year ago or something :v)
Heavily recommending Painters of the Tempest (All the 3 parts) for some proggy masterpiece, or Eyrie as mentioned for Tim's wonderful voice.
C is only 4 half steps down from E. That tone difference is nothing really. As a guitar player it is likely all in your head
Yes for sure. Riffs like this in any tuning are badass! Keep killing it!
Love that little part of the riff where the same notes are played both down and up the neck and it's one thing that gives the song it's very specific feel. If it were played on the same fret both times, I feel like it would lose a bit of that. It's not really showy, but it's an interesting approach to writing that I wouldn't have considered.
Right?? Those bits add so much style to the riff it's crazy! I've been using that 'trick' here and there throughout the years ever since I heard it with As I Lay Dying
@@Surokkh It's really, in a way, a scale practice put to use in song. Why not make it more fun too, and if it sounds better anyhow, then it's definitely worth the extra effort!
Ngl that's a standard in modern metalcore writing these days. Jumping octaves is nothing new
I have to remind myself that Hammer Smashed Face is in E Standard. Saucy playing btw!
E standard was heavy since the 80' - IMO the best way to check if your downtuned riff (let's say it's written for an 8 string) is good is to play it in E standard and see if it holds up
One of my favourite metal bands are still playing in drop D 20 years after starting out in the same tuning and they’re still as brutal as ever. Love Psycroptic. Your ideas sound a lot like theirs at points
Edge of the earth from Sylosis is in E standard and that album has one of the heaviest tones in existence. So heavy in fact that most people thought it was recorded with a seven string when it came out.
Man you just made me discover an incredible band. cheers
@@yessirrrrrrrrrr No problem, man. Thr band is criminally underrated even though Josh( the mastermind) plays guitar in Architects.
Mate this sounds insane, I always assumed if you played in E standard you were kind of limited to 80s metal like Metallica and candlemass.
You’ve inspired me, thanks!
Always thought E standard was THE heaviest. It isn’t all muddled sounding with those low drop tunings. Might as well be a bass at that point 🤘🏼
Killer song here btw lol.
Of course man! The feeling no change! Is the way that you play and sound that comes out of this!
Answer: Yes, if it's Jacob Martin playing
Ahaha, ah thank you man
How is this both inspiring and discouraging at once lol great work
Sir, 1:49 is illegal in 19 states, and Puerto Rico.
Possibly one of my favorite instrumental pieces if released as one!! Mannn Badass brother!
Amazing... No, INSANE!!! I need the tabs RIGHT NOW!!!
I would kill for those Neural DSP presets and tabs
I love this. Tired of the shitty modern metal riffs that have no melody, no breaks and just nonstop technical stuff that makes no sense. Like a kid that has ADHD and won't settle down. This was how it should be done instead.
Nice to see someone else who sees modern metal same as me, there's no melody and the technical riffs with the overly dropped tuning is so bad, as they're just written so messily.
Sounds like you don't like progressive metal. There's still plenty of good non-prog metal being made; for example, listen to Alien Weaponry, which is a modern folk metal band (trust me on this one).
Prog, especially very technical prog, is a weird genre. I consider it an "extreme" relative to old school heavy metal just like death and black metal are (of course prog is probably more "listenable" to the average person than death and black metal are, i mean that in a more genre evolutionary sense)
We still need tabs, my man. This is too good to not giving us tabs. Just updating previous comments bout this :)
Had absolute stank face during the whole gosh darn thing. Dirty good riffin’
Also - could you share the Gojira preset 😇
Thanks man!
@@JacobMartin Can you share the preset hihi :D :D ?
Man those riffs. Tabs would be excellent dude. Very well done
Evidently, yes.
Case closed
Jacob, you have a true talent on the guitar, but for me your music writing skill is even more impressive. I’d love to use a sample of this for one of the videos on my channel if that would be OK with you? I will definitely give you a mention if you are OK with that.
Yeah absolutely! I appreciate the kind words 🙏
@@JacobMartin awesome, guessing that’s your brother on drums? Another talent. Keep ‘em coming bud!
@@JacobMartin a clip of this song will be in one of our videos this sunday. ill mention you in the description so you can find it. will be at the end. thanks for letting us use it, and keep the videos coming my friend!
James Hetfield is my best example for E Standard riffing! For me everything below drop c is losing dynamics!
Agree with you but this is why most bands have 2 guitarist
@@yigitcem9893 I’m not sure what that has to do with dynamics
drop c? imo B standard is the limit.
Crispy! Such monster riffs, dude. Wanted it to continue that final riff for a sick breakdown to add an exclamation point at the end. I'd buy the hell out of an album of music like this.
God daaaaamn these riffs are SO nasty!
Thank you!
Freaking epic. Loved every minute of it. Proves how heavy E can be.
E standard is as heavy as any other tuning. The riffs is what makes the difference like you point out here!
Unreal as usual, man. It's crazy how much your playing (which was already stellar) has advanced in the last couple years
Thank you man! I appreciate that
this tuning is definitely still viable, and you did a great job showcasing that! however, personally, i think i would be a little disappointed/bummed if a whole, or most of an, album were written in this tuning. for a song or two, 100% though!
I really don’t get that, if it sounds good then what does it matter if it’s in e standard or something daft.
@@davesiddons8921 i've personally just come to *love* the lower tunings. i think it would be a little jarring [to most/all metal fans] if a band had a whole album in E standard (2022 and onwards). it would just take some time to get used to again after not hearing my main genre of music played in anything above drop C (especially now that so many bands have 7-strings, and go even lower) all this time. know what i mean?
@@LT_Dangles_Music different strokes for different folk. I personally cannot stand lower tunings beyond C, it doesn’t sound nice to me at all, but obviously there’s exceptions like say dream theater for example. To me it’s not the tuning that makes a song heavy, it’s the attitude and playing that makes the difference
@@davesiddons8921 for sure for sure! i feel ya
@@davesiddons8921 fuck, DT are the one band below drop C i wouldnt wanna hear haha
One of my favourite albums is in E standard Sepultura's Arise. Still is heavy to this day
And beneath the remains
Respect bro. This just shows how the only thing that matters is your approach.💯
An axe is only as dangerous as its wielder. In a good axe man's hands, like yours, any axe is dangerous 🤘
With the years I tend to think that it's not a question of note but more a question of interval between the notes themselves like an E can sound heavy depending on everything but the E itself, like for example you could just take same tabs, move them up one string and boom, now your A sound heavy (is that understandable?)
As a bass player, I approve. I get so excited when guitarists tune up so I can finally blossom
yup agreed.. for me, tuning is important for achieving certain chord voicings and to suit the song with the vocalist's voice, key wise without changing how you play the song.
and i am always inspired to write new things when i use alternate/drop tunings
Brother you have just made my day, it doesn’t matter which tube you use if you’re able to compose something like that, bravo
Tune*
Man this was just awesome. Nice riffing, precise playing and a nice mixing there. Im just impressed.
Amazing dude one of the most underrated guitarist I have ever seen
Your chord progression is so awesome!
Monstrous. Love the way this fills out the soundscape, but leaves lots of room for bass and drums underneath.
Voicings and contrasts, not to mention the tightness of your playing. Holy hell. That guitar sounds absolutely beautiful in your hands. Amazing playing, especially from a rhythmic perspective - thems be riffs mate.
The thing i love about standard/drop d tuning is how articulate the notes are and no matter how you do the riffs already sounds aggressive just like this one 🔥
New sub, tone and playing really show how much tuning isn't what makes things heavy. This is fucking amazing tbh, really gives me a reason to pick up the guitar again
Holyshit! this is so good man! composition , arrangement , performance! daaaaamn son!
Shows how the writing and especially tone can make stuff sound amazing in any tuning
Bro you might be one of the best guitarist I’ve ever seen. The precision yet apparent lack of effort is mind blowing
Well done sir. That is some amazingly crafted riffage.
I've always noticed the strongest points of std tuning in metal are fast and "bouncy" riffs, (see Sylosis) which you perfectly showcased here !
it's almost 1am already. came to youtube to relax, y am i suddenly getting hyped??
Top notch video! It shows standard E can still be exciting and heavy enough.. 👍👍
Dude okkk!!!!!! That fucking breakdown is not what I expected, fucking amazing
Love it, nice use of inverted chords and dissonance. It's used differently, but Opeth are mostly in standard on their classic albums. Heir Apparent off of their 'Watershed' album is ridiculously heavy, but is in E standard.