Years ago, a friend and I came up with "rattlecore" as a goof. Named such because all the strings just rattle around with no discernable notes being played. I'm glad to see someone else discovering rattlecore.
@@kairqka3543 Whoever says that has been unaware of the amount of metal releases in the past 2 years. And also, bold of you to call bands who play this low "metal".
If the strings weren't blocked by the frets, you woudl actually be able to see and here the higher armonics of such not. Guitar strings do not simply generates pure sinusoids
@@rolig9303 Well there really isnt that much to it like you might expect. The octave is present in every music culture although the tones inbetween might be distributed differently (e.g. in old indian music culture over 40 tones where cramped into an octave), just because its the most basic frequency ratio of 1:2, which is simply the most pleasant to hear. Thats why every music culture kinda anchored around it. The Fifth is the next most basic ratio of 2:3 and also used by (pretty much) any music culture (?). On a side note: Distributing the rations of our european tradition 12 semi notes along an octave is slightly imperfect ("pythagorean comma"), which is why different tunings evolved. Until baroque and Bachs famous well tempered clavier, keys further from the tonal center, like F sharp or e flat sounded wildly different from C or a and couldnt really be used without sounding like a honky tonk piano out of tune. But this subject gets crazy complex at one point.
I see a possible use of such low frequencies: they could be used for special effects in rock or metal songs, like having one guitar giving these effects on the back while the rest are giving the actual riffs and melodies of the song. It would sound actually nice imo, I know that's what post processing is for but it would serve as an alternate way to create new sounds or atmospheres
that’s what i was thinking. i can see this as making sense for technical effects, but if anyone tries to make it genuinely musical they’re being silly lmao
Kevin from the channel Said Too Much Productions actually became somewhat well-known by modding a bass to go down to C#0. Since then he has built a massive djentstick-type instrument with a 5ft 212 gauge piano string, and in one of his videos he tuned it all the way down to B-2 (and yes, he also pitchshifted it 2 octaves down to B-4, literally less than 2Hz).
You probably wont get the best effect from something like that in a recording (maybe with post processing) but imagine being physocally around that. You would feel it all just being next to it
E-3 isn’t even a brown note. You have now reached the most deepest of bowels that require surgery to salvage whatever’s left by rockin a colostomy bag.
when you get low enough the string is an LFO (low frequency oscillator), which is used in synthesizers for an audible tempo interpreted sound "wub wub wub" aside from a pitch, with of course the higher audible frequencies from timbre and distortion used to discern actual sound. I've always been fascinated at maybe creating a song where the lowest or pedal tone of a riff is a multiple of the tempo to coincide with that oscillation.
Fun fact if you actually want to hear something like this in use. there was a doom metal band called "Floor" who played down-tuned guitars with the lowest string tuned down till it was barely tight enough to stay on. They called it "the bomb note" and they would basically punctuate big drum hits with it and it was like a giant wave crashing.
I've read the lowest note most (treble) guitar amp's can produce the fundamental of is about A1 (55Hz). I wonder what it is for bass amp's-maybe about A0 (27.5Hz).
I could see it in a break down, the drums just slow, burts of blast beats on a floor tom, static guitar noise crackling randomly, band in debug mode, head banging so low theyre half way into the floor
You can easily calculate the frequencies - for each semitone you divide by root 12 of 2 or about 1.0594631. For example to get from A4 = 440Hz to G#4, you divide 440 by 1.0594631 and you get ~415.3
In 20 years metal guitar will consist of holding an unattached string in your fingers and slowly wiggling it near the pickups, so there is like 1 back and forth vibration per second
You found the legendary tone of the ancients. Used only by the band intestinal atrophy… they are the only band on earth that has a genre so unique to metal we had to make up a brand new word for them. Welcome to “DireDeficationBlood” Core
I can think of one nonmetal application. Steven Spielberg‘s first major film duel from 1971 has a very experimental score by Billy Goldenberg. There are a couple of points where I think they have an electric guitar tuned so stupidly low to create rumbling and growling sounds. It’s pretty awesome for that sort of sound design application.
Each lower octave is half the frequency of the previous one. So your A#-2 would be 6.875Hz (A#0 = 27.50, A#-1 = 13.75) and E-3 would be 2.575Hz. Basically at the point where the noise you're hearing is purely the mechanical function of your speakers/ headphones.
I think you used the frequency for A0 rather than A#0. It should be 29.14 Hz, then A#-1 is 14.57 Hz, and A#-2 is 7.29Hz. Your frequency for E-3 is correct.
I feel like after A/g# it gets too low, anywhere between there and e standard is what I like to play in, it feels like the bass still has a prominent role in the mix (for me at least)
It's interesting you mention bands doing this in 10 years because it's kinda already part of the experience of listening to metal. Music UA-camr 12tone has a video called "Why does Metal have to be so Loud?", and he talks about the concept of listener collapse and other phenomena, but essentially, the lower you go, the less sound you "hear" and the more you "feel" physically, which breaks down (heh) the illusion of sound being a non-physical concept. It's one reason why metal resonates (okay i didn't mean to make that pun) with a lot of people
I have an 11 string bass that is tuned to that low C# 0. It’s what I would consider semi-audible but not really something you’d use musically. It really does add some nice tone to a big chord similar to a piano. I’ve heard of/seen a 13 string bass with a low g# but that’s functionally inaudible. Just neat to see.
7:51 If bands did tune that low, might wanna crank up the gain because it does sound like Static. If the Tesla Coil was converted into a guitar it would sound like that.
@niknocturnal Look up a band from the late 90s called floor. They have their bottom string tuned so low that it sounds like a bomb look up the song iron girl. They hit the bomb string at 0:57. The remaining strings are AAEGB
The thing with anything below A0, is that most people only hear the overtones at that point. Human hearing capabilities are usually generalized from 20khz to 20hz (for young people)
sound its just a perturbation in a fluid, like the air in our atmosphere. yes you can perceive events below 20hz, but not as pitch as they lack the intensity to stimulate our eardrums, but it can be haptically felt like a cat purr
On the song ‘Snocap’ by A Memoria Brooded which is in Drop C#1, you can hear the bass it parts of the song, which I believe is at C#0. And by ‘hear’ the bass you more or less kinda feel it
6:40 The reason is that pitch shifting always distorts the sound in a weird way. Its not that obvious if the pitch is only shifted slightly, but if its several octaves, the difference is night and day. The overtones actually make out a majority of the sound. So an E-1 would sound perfectly fine if the sound quality was actually good. I recommend listening to the octobass (down to C0), the subcontrabassoon (down to A-1), 64 ft organ stop (down to C-1) and gigaracket (down to G-2). There you can clearly hear the actual frequency. Just for the gigaracket you should keep in mind that its a joke instrument and not really built to have good sound quality either. Also rackets are built in a way so that they produce a frequency one octave below what they should theoretically produce which causes certain harmonics to be heavily suppressed (so they do not sound that good).
What pitch shifter did use? Whenever I go below -3 semitones on the pitch shifter on my multi fx the tone gets obliverated but yours stayed pretty good sounding
he often talks about using the Digitech Whammy pedal, but I remember watching a video by Gary Hiebner where he shot out many pitchshifters against one another and determined that the Poly Capo shifter from the Line 6 Helix software was the best in most cases.
I don’t know which one he used but I use the electro harmonix pitch fork and I’m very happy with it, it also goes down 3 octaves for some weird reason lmao (oh and it has a downshift and upshift switch if you wanna go up 3 octaves too)
*That's low*
indeed
It is..
Sweep on it. Its gotta be awesome.
Even for you
Hatebreed should use G0 tuning. Would be interesting to hear.
NASA: "We've discovered a black hole that rumbles at 57 octaves below middle C"
Metalheads: *heavy breathing*
Up this comment xD
"Glorious Valhalla awaits us brothers."
Gold
literally lol'd xD
What has a heavier tone than the low note vibrations put out by a supernova which fuses together atoms into
Heavy metals.
Years ago, a friend and I came up with "rattlecore" as a goof. Named such because all the strings just rattle around with no discernable notes being played. I'm glad to see someone else discovering rattlecore.
Album dropping when?
Album dropping when?
album dropping when?
Album dropping when?
Album dropping when?
Within the next 10 years, this will be standard tuning for metal bands.
I will die on the "D Standard should be the new "Standard" tuning" Hill
That's why Metal is dead.
@@kairqka3543 Whoever says that has been unaware of the amount of metal releases in the past 2 years.
And also, bold of you to call bands who play this low "metal".
@@digitalmortality2001 modern Metal sucks. Guitars with 200 strings but they all only use one of them.
@@kairqka3543 what? 0_0
5:11 “there’s no reason people should go to -1”
The bass singing community: *laughs in G-1*
dont even they’ll all start flooding this thread with their “12 octave vocal ranges”.
by that, i mean all the tenors who are “basses”
Not only can we not hear those low frequencies, the speakers can't produce them well either. Running that through a Spectrogram would be kinda neat.
If the strings weren't blocked by the frets, you woudl actually be able to see and here the higher armonics of such not.
Guitar strings do not simply generates pure sinusoids
@@spite_beeekilled3643 f'n fauci
@@Sadix99 this guy strings
we need the subest woofer
@@Sadix99 any wave is decompasable into pure sinusoids (fourier transform)
1:42 Im in love with that G1 riff.
Same.
Same
Straight out of Doom Eternal
Is that a real song?
9:08 riff somebody use it pls
This is just ULTIMATE DJENT
ULTIDJENT
This is just TENT, literally, being moved a bit with the wind lol
Metal in 20 years is just going to be fart sounds.
@@W0B0N yeah
So DJENT it just became DJON'T
Now go the other way
It’s not static, it’s just Nik crapping his pants and doing an extremely good job playing it off.
You are reaching new lows with this.
Quite literally! 😅
@@thelonewolf7443 thx bro the joke was a lot funnier after you explained it
Funne
God… God damnit
4:15 metal bass in a nutshell
I've never expected this from you, this is a new low.
I see what you did there.
Can't wait to jam out to songs using this tuning in 2083! Gonna be an absolute BANGER.
*rumbler
Fun fact, if you go an octave down, you halve the frequency. So it's not that difficult to calculate it yourself.
What are you? Some kind of a smart smart?
just what I wanted to say👍🏼
Explain it like i was a 5 year old.
@@rolig9303 Here's your crayon 🖍
@@rolig9303 Well there really isnt that much to it like you might expect. The octave is present in every music culture although the tones inbetween might be distributed differently (e.g. in old indian music culture over 40 tones where cramped into an octave), just because its the most basic frequency ratio of 1:2, which is simply the most pleasant to hear. Thats why every music culture kinda anchored around it. The Fifth is the next most basic ratio of 2:3 and also used by (pretty much) any music culture (?). On a side note: Distributing the rations of our european tradition 12 semi notes along an octave is slightly imperfect ("pythagorean comma"), which is why different tunings evolved. Until baroque and Bachs famous well tempered clavier, keys further from the tonal center, like F sharp or e flat sounded wildly different from C or a and couldnt really be used without sounding like a honky tonk piano out of tune. But this subject gets crazy complex at one point.
I see a possible use of such low frequencies: they could be used for special effects in rock or metal songs, like having one guitar giving these effects on the back while the rest are giving the actual riffs and melodies of the song. It would sound actually nice imo, I know that's what post processing is for but it would serve as an alternate way to create new sounds or atmospheres
Yeah some of it sounded like the motor/grinding sounds in Mind's Mirrors by Meshuggah
@@colerougas5137 For example
that’s what i was thinking. i can see this as making sense for technical effects, but if anyone tries to make it genuinely musical they’re being silly lmao
@@evinberube8616 yeah there's no way you can make audible notes with such low frequencies
Isn't that a noise rock/shoegaze kinda thing? Although i'm not sure if it's exactly the same
Once it's just static noise, it sounds like Merzbow. So basically Merzbow is the greatest djent god out there.
He actually likes Veil of Maya and this was a brief controversy back in the day.
Oof, I dunno... I've "challenged myself" to listen through quite a lot of his back catalogue, and *I WISH* they were this quiet lol.
i didnt knew the artist, went and check out. Its really torturous for my ears at least. But yea its pretty much static with an unsettling beat.
@@velhinho_91 It's called noise music - it's surprisingly popular in the underground scene.
I'm glad i found this comment *i'm deaf now*
6:04 Sounds like and old rust hatch opening
Kevin from the channel Said Too Much Productions actually became somewhat well-known by modding a bass to go down to C#0. Since then he has built a massive djentstick-type instrument with a 5ft 212 gauge piano string, and in one of his videos he tuned it all the way down to B-2 (and yes, he also pitchshifted it 2 octaves down to B-4, literally less than 2Hz).
Jesus fucking christ. That’s an amazing idea.
Its very cool but damn the practicality is non existent lmao
You probably wont get the best effect from something like that in a recording (maybe with post processing) but imagine being physocally around that. You would feel it all just being next to it
His channel is criminally underrated. Been watching SaidTooMuch for a while.
Holy Stromboli, they've gone too deep
6:21 That "E" sounded exactly like the "EA Sports" thing wtf
Considering that E2 is 82.41 Hz and every lower octave divides that number by 2 (so E1 41.20, E0 20.60), the E-3 is roughly 2.58 Hz
I'm guessing then that the "wub wub" sound we were hearing was just the pressure from the individual sound waves, then?
@@Metal_Auditor Exactly
It's delta rhythms of human brain
Tuning things that low, infrasonic-sensitive animals will headbang
@@Metal_Auditor nah, your speakers won't even be able to produce sounds that low, because they are only really built for what hbumans can hear
9:12 so that's how a guitar fart sounds like
Bassists: Look what they need just to mimic a fraction of our power!
E-3 isn’t even a brown note. You have now reached the most deepest of bowels that require surgery to salvage whatever’s left by rockin a colostomy bag.
Alternative tittle: "I've tuned my guitar in drop -Q"
You mean drop Z
Drop AZ
8:08 Regular Show intro
Damn.... Those lower octaves make Drop B through Drop G sound like a E standard.
when you get low enough the string is an LFO (low frequency oscillator), which is used in synthesizers for an audible tempo interpreted sound "wub wub wub" aside from a pitch, with of course the higher audible frequencies from timbre and distortion used to discern actual sound. I've always been fascinated at maybe creating a song where the lowest or pedal tone of a riff is a multiple of the tempo to coincide with that oscillation.
When you get tired of people complaining that metal is just noise, so you make metal that ceases to even qualify as sound
Fun fact if you actually want to hear something like this in use. there was a doom metal band called "Floor" who played down-tuned guitars with the lowest string tuned down till it was barely tight enough to stay on. They called it "the bomb note" and they would basically punctuate big drum hits with it and it was like a giant wave crashing.
I just looked them up it rules as much as it is hilarious
I fucking love Floor so much, I was just thinking of the song Sneech about halfway through the video
Thank you so much
Underrated comment
Can’t wait to hear a song that’s all tuned so low I can’t actually hear the song
Listen to hell below by periphery. That's what you're looking for.
Just a bunch of glurgs and warbles.
the sounds you can't hear are playing all the time
3:00 SUNN O))) : "Hello? Copyright police?"
7:20 sounds more like Sunn O)))
I would love a follow up video of you doing this to a bass.
I've read the lowest note most (treble) guitar amp's can produce the fundamental of is about A1 (55Hz). I wonder what it is for bass amp's-maybe about A0 (27.5Hz).
I'm sure the fish would not appreciate that.
@@773Spair I tested it on mine some years back and I remember watching the membrane move at frequencies below human hearing
Davie504's gonna call the police
@@TankleKlaus So they can produce pretty low frequencies.🔈
4:52 That's where I really started laughing 😅 It's where you enter the abyss... Basically.
How many people here want to challenge Nik to compose a song using only minus octaves?
Me
Rob Scallon could do it for sure
dew it
I guess that would sound like a weird percussion song
I could see it in a break down, the drums just slow, burts of blast beats on a floor tom, static guitar noise crackling randomly, band in debug mode, head banging so low theyre half way into the floor
my band's tuning, Burn The Grave, is DGCGCFAD with the bass tuned to D0
bro found the brown note 💀
Nah this the Taupe Brown note 💀
You can easily calculate the frequencies - for each semitone you divide by root 12 of 2 or about 1.0594631. For example to get from A4 = 440Hz to G#4, you divide 440 by 1.0594631 and you get ~415.3
Tunning is so low that music turn into static noise coming from a cellphone placed at the side of old pc speakers....
Bass players will soon combat the guitar players by tuning up to unimagineable heights
6:31 if our speakers could produce frequencies after this point it would be technically possible to count the oscillation
the wobble you hear are the oscillations
In 20 years metal guitar will consist of holding an unattached string in your fingers and slowly wiggling it near the pickups, so there is like 1 back and forth vibration per second
Drinking my morning coffee while Nik trying to hit the brown note is a risky business. Oh well here we go.
It’s as low as my moms standards lmfao
Bro💀
Bro💀
You found the legendary tone of the ancients. Used only by the band intestinal atrophy… they are the only band on earth that has a genre so unique to metal we had to make up a brand new word for them. Welcome to “DireDeficationBlood” Core
I can think of one nonmetal application. Steven Spielberg‘s first major film duel from 1971 has a very experimental score by Billy Goldenberg. There are a couple of points where I think they have an electric guitar tuned so stupidly low to create rumbling and growling sounds. It’s pretty awesome for that sort of sound design application.
Each lower octave is half the frequency of the previous one. So your A#-2 would be 6.875Hz (A#0 = 27.50, A#-1 = 13.75) and E-3 would be 2.575Hz. Basically at the point where the noise you're hearing is purely the mechanical function of your speakers/ headphones.
I think you used the frequency for A0 rather than A#0. It should be 29.14 Hz, then A#-1 is 14.57 Hz, and A#-2 is 7.29Hz. Your frequency for E-3 is correct.
You know what? I think I did too... That was dumb.
your headphones or speakers aren't producing much below 40hz lol it's all harmonics
"Lowest possible guitar tuning," or as those of us with sense call it, "When you're too much of a bitch for bass."
At 2:05, when he's playing E1, the closed captions pick up and dictate the noise as [applause] hahahaha.
We started up with Strager Things soundtrack and ended up with Minecraft Cave Sounds
I'm a modern metal poser. I want E standard to come back so I can actually hear bass. The lower the tuning, the less contrast guitar/bass provides.
I feel like after A/g# it gets too low, anywhere between there and e standard is what I like to play in, it feels like the bass still has a prominent role in the mix (for me at least)
Drop C is still goated imo
@@tuckerkrause5838 my all time favourite tuning
@@tuckerkrause5838 I play d standard, drop c, a# standard and drop g#. I have a baritone and a normal length jabroni. Those are me favs
The lowest acceptable for me on 7 & 8 string or baritone guitars is F Standard/Drop Eb
Next video: The HIGHEST Guitar Tuning Possible
@3:40
Poor Davie, he slapped so well...
The thumbnail promised me 50 octaves below E standard. I demand to hear what 82*2^-50 Hz sounds like!
2:51 Meshuggah has a song called "Spasm" and it has the same tuning and it's released in 2002.
Making some killer sci-fi sound FX there, man.
Honestly, can’t wait for a song to be made in tuning E-3, just sounds like a blown speaker 😂
Fun fact: The A#0 (or Bb0 if you're a normal person) at 2:55 is the tuning for the Meshuggah song Spasm
Nik reaching into Experimental Noise subgenre territory here 🤣
E -3 is pretty ridiculous to think about. Sounds like the Bloop. Slayer plays in Eb and they're still heavy!
Hell yeah. The lowest frequency? That's what my band is using.
As a bass player i have to say, finaly there's a good sounding guitartuning
Every thing after 20hz is just a deftone song
The brown note
Brown metal
Well if nothing else I now know the sound of my stomach rumbling from food poisoning is A#-2
It's interesting you mention bands doing this in 10 years because it's kinda already part of the experience of listening to metal. Music UA-camr 12tone has a video called "Why does Metal have to be so Loud?", and he talks about the concept of listener collapse and other phenomena, but essentially, the lower you go, the less sound you "hear" and the more you "feel" physically, which breaks down (heh) the illusion of sound being a non-physical concept. It's one reason why metal resonates (okay i didn't mean to make that pun) with a lot of people
After hearing this, Meshuggah now just sounds like Oasis
3:22
Nick: But it's very rare a whole song I've seen this low, 'cause it's just stupid!
The future: Hold my beer!
Meshugah's Mind's Mirrors has a 20 hz guitar "riff"
Bro, this video is legit cool. I don't play an instrument, but it's really cool to hear each tuning change.
Them: CRT background frequencies is not an instrument
Nik: Hold my 6 string.
Loathe in 2023: "A#-2 tuning throughout our new album was kind of an experiment for us since we wanted to try out some high-pitched sound..."
You’ll need a bass amp for your guitar now
8:58 that's explosive diarrhea ma friend
should rename this video "the search for the brown note" lol
I have an 11 string bass that is tuned to that low C# 0. It’s what I would consider semi-audible but not really something you’d use musically. It really does add some nice tone to a big chord similar to a piano.
I’ve heard of/seen a 13 string bass with a low g# but that’s functionally inaudible. Just neat to see.
7:23 You have found the way how Doom Eternal soundtrack has been recorded.
These are cthulhulu's preferred tunnings haha
Looking forward to learning a song in the future where G# -2 standard is the required tuning
G0 sounds like a good pre-breakdown or intro tuning. A little tappy taps from the drummer and then chunkdown
“Bassist ain’t gonna have a job soon” BRO THE PICTURE OF THAT OTHER GUY ON UA-cam hahahahahha I love both of y’all
That literally just the Nukes Top 5 intro 7:19
Now go the other way and go as high as you can
7:51 If bands did tune that low, might wanna crank up the gain because it does sound like Static. If the Tesla Coil was converted into a guitar it would sound like that.
That's low, even for you my man
@niknocturnal
Look up a band from the late 90s called floor. They have their bottom string tuned so low that it sounds like a bomb look up the song iron girl. They hit the bomb string at 0:57. The remaining strings are AAEGB
8:02 the frequency of E-2 is 5.15 hz
The thing with anything below A0, is that most people only hear the overtones at that point.
Human hearing capabilities are usually generalized from 20khz to 20hz (for young people)
Not only that, but the signal strength from the speaker most likely drops off heavily outside the range of human hearing.
Not true, E0 is where audibility actually starts to go but counting room for tuning cent discrepancies, F0 is where the limit is.
sound its just a perturbation in a fluid, like the air in our atmosphere. yes you can perceive events below 20hz, but not as pitch as they lack the intensity to stimulate our eardrums, but it can be haptically felt like a cat purr
@@arthursouza420 Do you happen to watch Theoria Apophasis (Ken Wheeler)?
The reason there is a "wub wub" sound is because it is trying to simulate the string vibrating at 2.5 times per second
On the song ‘Snocap’ by A Memoria Brooded which is in Drop C#1, you can hear the bass it parts of the song, which I believe is at C#0. And by ‘hear’ the bass you more or less kinda feel it
Lowest frequency possible: Niks voice
Challenge: make a song with all those tunings.
Awesome video bro.
6:40 The reason is that pitch shifting always distorts the sound in a weird way. Its not that obvious if the pitch is only shifted slightly, but if its several octaves, the difference is night and day. The overtones actually make out a majority of the sound. So an E-1 would sound perfectly fine if the sound quality was actually good. I recommend listening to the octobass (down to C0), the subcontrabassoon (down to A-1), 64 ft organ stop (down to C-1) and gigaracket (down to G-2). There you can clearly hear the actual frequency. Just for the gigaracket you should keep in mind that its a joke instrument and not really built to have good sound quality either. Also rackets are built in a way so that they produce a frequency one octave below what they should theoretically produce which causes certain harmonics to be heavily suppressed (so they do not sound that good).
should have wrote a song using the lowest tuning
1hz means 1 cycle per second, so he got down to three hz or oscillations per second, which boosts the 4th overtone and makes that signature wub sound
What pitch shifter did use? Whenever I go below -3 semitones on the pitch shifter on my multi fx the tone gets obliverated but yours stayed pretty good sounding
he often talks about using the Digitech Whammy pedal, but I remember watching a video by Gary Hiebner where he shot out many pitchshifters against one another and determined that the Poly Capo shifter from the Line 6 Helix software was the best in most cases.
@@FairyCRat thanks man!
I don’t know which one he used but I use the electro harmonix pitch fork and I’m very happy with it, it also goes down 3 octaves for some weird reason lmao (oh and it has a downshift and upshift switch if you wanna go up 3 octaves too)
It'll definitely stop neighbors from complaining about the noise.
Looks like you have proven that dubstep is a subtone of modern Metal ... well done
It ended up sounding like the growl from the predator. Would be great as a horror movie sound effect
I dare you to use that in a Termina track
He used DROP E in Termina track
@@thecrazzxz3383 but not Drop E-3