This is exactly what I was looking for... Porom's Wowhead guide basically just copy pastes the sim APL without providing any intuition whatsoever for the 70% mana rule, causing it to be worded in an extremely convoluted way. Your intuitive explanation of alternating between burning and conserving mana makes so much more sense. Thank you!
Yeah honestly that wowhead guide is so damn confusing it's a joke. It gives you the list of conditions like do x IF y AND a or b or c but only if d.. It is so convoluted as you say. I am not a robot, I need words not if, else, then crap.
Thank you for saying things in the first 3 minutes that no other streamer or guide has said. I know know when to barrage. Can't believe all the other "pro" guide writers and video creators not one of them actually explained the barrage conditions...... Thank you dude. My DPS just jumped by 35%.
How does Xaryu explain this more simple than the guys who actually write guides lol. My dps went up from a 5 minute video rather than these 50 minute guide reads.
Because that people that make the guides are the theorycrafters that got hit with a suprise tuning hours before the patch released. So they had to actually find out whats best and improve the APL to find the best rotation before quickly adjusting the most important things in the guides. You can probably expect a rewrite on big websites in the next few days.
Idk man I read the same guide you did and I seem to be doing everything just fine, he's literally just reading the advanced rotation section of the guide lol
Porom isn't a good writer. The reason why the community thought arcane from previous expansions required a galaxy brain to play is largely due to Porom being a bad guide writer.
@@juromechang I think that's highly subjective. The way the priority list is written is very logic oriented like the APL (or any code). Conditions and if else statements. With an CS background im probably biased, bit I like it when guides are like that. I realize that some people cannot visualize what to do in specific scenario's simply based on a priority list but that's why there are multiple sources online.
Very good guide. One thing I didnt hear you mention is that you never want to loose arcane tempo. Sometimes you will have to barrage - orb - orb in order to maintain uptime.
Great guide and explanation! Thx! There is a line on the wowhead guide, that confuses me and i didnt see you mention it: An additional barrage condition looks like this: "You have no Nether Precision or Clearcasting but have an Arcane Orb charge and are talented into Orb Barrage." But this looks weird and sometimes will leave me with less than 4 AC, what do you htink about it? should i just ignore this condition?
The Porom Wa says to barrage with Orb up tho so u don't go oom, is this not worth it? It's a little gamble cuz without the lucky orb proc u'd be at 2 charges but that defo helps with not going oom
Great video. Is the dark purple missiles effect from a Weak Aura, can you please give me an idea what the best addons would be to keep track of my buffs? Thanks.
hey man! what you think about stats value for new arcane? sim says it's like vers>crit>haste>mastery... don't we need haste anymore? or we need it about 20% and then vest/crit? help plz(
So, whats the AOE rotation for M+? I feel like i've grasped single target, but god damn I suck ass in aoe situations. I always spend barrage IF i have orbs and touch availables but that doesn't seem to be it. Do I spend barrage with NP up or what?
Thank you very much for this quick guide and the very precise explanations. I played yesterday and noticed that mana management became a problem when we didn't have too much luck... Is it possible to make a short video for multi-targeting? Thanks again man
@@Charlix8o blue = aether attunement proc. When this happens your missiles does more damage + cleaves so you dont want to clip it like you would with the other clearcasting procs
If you hold your barrage you might find yourself going oom before evo comes up. When you are in your surge window I would play 100% aggressively since your mana is not going to drop much.
ok so to me it happens that im above 70% mana, have to aethervision, but no NP, no missle procc. do i blast till the missle procc, missle -> barrage. or do I just send the barrage?
If you have the treacherous transmitter trinket (1.5 min cd, but not cd reduced with shifting power) is it better to wait to use cds so you have the trinket for a bigger burn phase, or just use the trinket on cd without cds. If it is better to wait, is there even a point of using shifting power?
How did you manage to get nether thingy without the arcane missle counting up? Just appearing when it's fully stacked and ready for multi target missiles?
I was worried about Fire, but honestly Sunfury Fire Mage is still fine. I'm 620 ilvl ST sustained on a dummy for 16 minutes I ended at 1.04M DPS AoE on 5 targets for 13 minutes I maintained 2.06M DPS. Fire Mage got some baseline nerf but the talent changes made up for it.
I wanna try out fire to look through all the speccs and find out which playstyle fits me the most. Any tips? Which guide would you recommend to go through the basics? Any discord besides the altered time?❤
@@Spitfiren ok… hmm. But my mage is a twink 610 item lvl. Hero Raiding is fine i dont do mythic raiding. Fire isnt on the top of mage speccs but i think middle of the pack overall currently? So let me try it and master it. Which guide do i use? Preheat the best firemage?
@@Spitfiren I know Fire isn't insane by any stretch of the imagination. I wouldn't say Fire is bad, I still do fine in M+. Also to be fair I enjoy Fire's playstyle the most. I'm fine with being mediocre as long as I'm having fun.
@@Supaa7Battlechair I'm not sure what to recommend honestly, I came back to WoW in Dragonflight Season 3. I don't follow whatever is "meta" at the time. Preheat manages the Wowhead page for Fire mage. I'll check it once in a while. But for rotation I just did trial and error on training dummies until I found something that felt smooth.
Aoe rotation is basically the same as it was in dragonflight, you basically almost dont blast on aoe; if you have 4 charges, you sent barrage on your prio target; if you dont, you try to refresh it with manual orb or arcane explosion.
This video reminded me that Xaryu has the BIS trinket for mage which I'm assuming pretty hard to get? That always bothered me in WoW except WoD, I mostly played pvp back then and pve gear was useless which I was extremely happy about. Even the best pvp pieces didn't have any rating cap on them. I think that if you put some (not too much but some) time in it, you should be easily able to get the exact same gear as the best players in the world, therefore you can only blame yourself if you don't achieve the things in the game what you want. It's not always about skill, a lot of times you don't get invite because you have no way of proving that you know the tactics and you have enough dps etc... you get gatekeeped because you don't have good enough gear.
@@HOBOTw1tcH initially it was meant like that. After last minute nerfs the new sim basically show that Fire is almost as strong as Arcane and since Frost was nerfed by that SS nerf, its weakest. So hes right, fire is actually stronger (or equally strong) on 3+ targets.
My friend just started playing the game as mage and he is completely overwhelmed. Why is this so complicated? Not saying it should be face roll, but come on.
Blizzard needs to change Arcane back to when it was fun to play and you didn't have to be a programmer to learn. Blizzard should take tips from Fire mage.
U literally just explain this so easy and I appreciate it
This is the first updated guide that actually makes sense, thanks! Please also do AOE 🙏
This is exactly what I was looking for... Porom's Wowhead guide basically just copy pastes the sim APL without providing any intuition whatsoever for the 70% mana rule, causing it to be worded in an extremely convoluted way. Your intuitive explanation of alternating between burning and conserving mana makes so much more sense. Thank you!
Yeah honestly that wowhead guide is so damn confusing it's a joke. It gives you the list of conditions like do x IF y AND a or b or c but only if d.. It is so convoluted as you say. I am not a robot, I need words not if, else, then crap.
we got Xaryu bringing the best PVE guides before GTA6
Thank you for saying things in the first 3 minutes that no other streamer or guide has said. I know know when to barrage. Can't believe all the other "pro" guide writers and video creators not one of them actually explained the barrage conditions...... Thank you dude. My DPS just jumped by 35%.
Comment fot pushing yt algorithm. Great and easy explanation
What you explained in 5 minutes, preheat took 25 minutes and i still didn't understand. Great video!
best guide omg. ty yarxu!
Thanks Xaryu, video helped alot!
Great breakdown.
How does Xaryu explain this more simple than the guys who actually write guides lol. My dps went up from a 5 minute video rather than these 50 minute guide reads.
Because that people that make the guides are the theorycrafters that got hit with a suprise tuning hours before the patch released. So they had to actually find out whats best and improve the APL to find the best rotation before quickly adjusting the most important things in the guides. You can probably expect a rewrite on big websites in the next few days.
Idk man I read the same guide you did and I seem to be doing everything just fine, he's literally just reading the advanced rotation section of the guide lol
Porom isn't a good writer. The reason why the community thought arcane from previous expansions required a galaxy brain to play is largely due to Porom being a bad guide writer.
@@juromechang I think that's highly subjective. The way the priority list is written is very logic oriented like the APL (or any code). Conditions and if else statements. With an CS background im probably biased, bit I like it when guides are like that. I realize that some people cannot visualize what to do in specific scenario's simply based on a priority list but that's why there are multiple sources online.
Can you make a video on your weak auras and how too setup
I downloaded it but have no clue wtf I’m looking at lol
Very good guide. One thing I didnt hear you mention is that you never want to loose arcane tempo. Sometimes you will have to barrage - orb - orb in order to maintain uptime.
Can you rely on Hekili or MaxDps for good rotations?
Thank you !!
Great guide and explanation! Thx! There is a line on the wowhead guide, that confuses me and i didnt see you mention it: An additional barrage condition looks like this: "You have no Nether Precision or Clearcasting but have an Arcane Orb charge and are talented into Orb Barrage." But this looks weird and sometimes will leave me with less than 4 AC, what do you htink about it? should i just ignore this condition?
Just ignore this condition unless its a cleave situation
The Porom Wa says to barrage with Orb up tho so u don't go oom, is this not worth it? It's a little gamble cuz without the lucky orb proc u'd be at 2 charges but that defo helps with not going oom
Great video. Is the dark purple missiles effect from a Weak Aura, can you please give me an idea what the best addons would be to keep track of my buffs? Thanks.
Whre come from that Evo proc? on 5:05?
hey man! what you think about stats value for new arcane? sim says it's like vers>crit>haste>mastery... don't we need haste anymore? or we need it about 20% and then vest/crit? help plz(
XAR, the Arcane buff/procs in the middle of your screen, which WA?
So damn useful ! Thx M+ would be cool too
So, whats the AOE rotation for M+? I feel like i've grasped single target, but god damn I suck ass in aoe situations. I always spend barrage IF i have orbs and touch availables but that doesn't seem to be it. Do I spend barrage with NP up or what?
Thank you very much for this quick guide and the very precise explanations. I played yesterday and noticed that mana management became a problem when we didn't have too much luck...
Is it possible to make a short video for multi-targeting? Thanks again man
Could you tell us why the color of your proc missiles changes from the base color to blue from time to time?
@@Charlix8o blue = aether attunement proc. When this happens your missiles does more damage + cleaves so you dont want to clip it like you would with the other clearcasting procs
How much of a dps gain is it to hold a barrage like you talk about at 3:50?
Or how much do I lose if I go the safer route?
If you hold your barrage you might find yourself going oom before evo comes up. When you are in your surge window I would play 100% aggressively since your mana is not going to drop much.
Is spellslinger just overall better now? Also in dungeons?
How do you track the intuition that pops up? I cannot find it in weakauras
Preheat in tears after this guide
Why :)
@@Supaa7Battlechair his inner Xar fanboy just got a little too excited I'm guessing
Preheat can still overcomplicate stuff :)
@@davidw.5984 pickles go on sale sometimes, there we both had non contributing comments :)
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What is weak aura is showing those buffs to the left?
ok so to me it happens that im above 70% mana, have to aethervision, but no NP, no missle procc. do i blast till the missle procc, missle -> barrage. or do I just send the barrage?
can we have a wa like spell/gcd's history on your screen for guides?
If you have the treacherous transmitter trinket (1.5 min cd, but not cd reduced with shifting power) is it better to wait to use cds so you have the trinket for a bigger burn phase, or just use the trinket on cd without cds.
If it is better to wait, is there even a point of using shifting power?
what are your trackers weakaura?
Do you prepare a guide for aoe ?
can you do a good frost eplanation video as
i see that its on par and sometimes better than arcnae for higher keys
Does the mythic+ rotation look generally similar to this?
Amazing what's the aoe rotation looks like?
For everyone confuse, check the Phosphoros guide to spellslinger
So helpful! How does this change for sunfury with burden of power?
dont play sunfury anymore :)
How did you manage to get nether thingy without the arcane missle counting up? Just appearing when it's fully stacked and ready for multi target missiles?
Best guide out there by far! Can we get a guide on aoe rotation aswell? Aoe in m+ specifically.
How can you watch all of that and still pay attention to raid/dungeon?
What’s the M+ rotation? Same as single basically?
Have you ever made a video trying Heklii to see how bad or good it is at mage rotations?
Isnt his Rotation wrong ?
Youre not always missle blast blast barrage if under 70% Mana.
You only barrage if u dont have a CC proc.
and what would be the talents for m+?
So helpful thanks ! Now for AOE
There is one
@@Supaa7Battlechair
Where have I not seen that?
Wowhead make this looks so hard, but ur video makes it so simple WTF. Gigachad video TYSM
my brain hurts now.
Haven’t played the game in 20 years but I’m glad to see mages are still only 3 buttons 😆
wait until you see elem or ret game play. legit 2 buttons top dps tier lol
so the basic rule is to barrage when aethervision = 2 and arcane precision > 0, when low on mana aethervision = 2 and arcane precision = 0
I was worried about Fire, but honestly Sunfury Fire Mage is still fine.
I'm 620 ilvl
ST sustained on a dummy for 16 minutes I ended at 1.04M DPS
AoE on 5 targets for 13 minutes I maintained 2.06M DPS.
Fire Mage got some baseline nerf but the talent changes made up for it.
I wanna try out fire to look through all the speccs and find out which playstyle fits me the most. Any tips? Which guide would you recommend to go through the basics? Any discord besides the altered time?❤
all of those numbers are pretty bad compared to arcane
@@Spitfiren ok… hmm. But my mage is a twink 610 item lvl. Hero Raiding is fine i dont do mythic raiding. Fire isnt on the top of mage speccs but i think middle of the pack overall currently? So let me try it and master it. Which guide do i use? Preheat the best firemage?
@@Spitfiren
I know Fire isn't insane by any stretch of the imagination. I wouldn't say Fire is bad, I still do fine in M+.
Also to be fair I enjoy Fire's playstyle the most. I'm fine with being mediocre as long as I'm having fun.
@@Supaa7Battlechair
I'm not sure what to recommend honestly, I came back to WoW in Dragonflight Season 3.
I don't follow whatever is "meta" at the time.
Preheat manages the Wowhead page for Fire mage. I'll check it once in a while.
But for rotation I just did trial and error on training dummies until I found something that felt smooth.
Ty is there a aoe Version for the New Talents?
how are you tracking your procs?
weak auras addon
@@HampusBergqvist you know which weak aura he uses?
Can you share your WeakAura, please?
I am not entirely sure when/why to use 5 blasts, can someone explain please?
I think the reason for lower dps is that there is a slight lag now in town its even noticable in your video sometimes.
do please make a new M+/Delve talent and rotation guide for both sunfire and spellslingerrrrr. it would so helpfullllll
So Spellslinger better than Sunfury now? And can you make aoe rotation next pls
Does someone have a link to the WeakAura?
bro this is completly new now i rerolled paladin lmao. I enjoyed mage but idk i invested so much and now this😅
I'm a Classic Andy trying retail for anniversary events and no idea wtf is happening here 😂
You are missing the whole part of using barrage and orb if you are under 70% mana and have nothing else?
Thanks for the 70% mana tip to squeeze a little more dps out of the spec. Definitely feels like a much, MUCH simpler playstyle with the changes.
wait how is it more simple, before it was just missiles -> 2x arcane blasts
@@Ghostcleaneru had to Play around your burden of power, otherwise u didnt do good dmg
@@sel6325all you had to do was spellqueue it.
They ruined 3 mages spec in 1 patch
Cry is free
@@johnnygongyretard your class is still bad whatever it may be
@@johnnygongy i don’t care I play ele shaman but it’s true 😪😪
They did and it’s not even numbers it’s design the absoulte worst kind of butchering fun
arcane and frost are both doing good conpared to fire only fire is ruined
I do that but actualy (on dummy) SF still pumpes more damage than SS
do you do any m+, if so could you do a rotation/guild for it?
Aoe rotation is basically the same as it was in dragonflight, you basically almost dont blast on aoe; if you have 4 charges, you sent barrage on your prio target; if you dont, you try to refresh it with manual orb or arcane explosion.
Xaryu ma man, can u make a quick guide for aoe m+ too please ? Im so confused :(
Well, it just become a math equation, thanks blizz, how fun is that
You still do blast > blast > missiles barrage on high mana btw
Thats what he Said?
@@sel6325 well he wasn't doing it lol. he was sending AV with missiles up when he should have gone missiles > barrage
In raid you benefit from aug and buffs while on target dummy you have nothing.
Also logs reset this tuesday with new patch.
Wow 🎉
Hi can you post your Weak Aura on here?
thank you, can u also make a video for AOE? :)
Damn i need to retire my mage for a bit
You better make another video since they just changed stuff 😭
This video reminded me that Xaryu has the BIS trinket for mage which I'm assuming pretty hard to get? That always bothered me in WoW except WoD, I mostly played pvp back then and pve gear was useless which I was extremely happy about. Even the best pvp pieces didn't have any rating cap on them. I think that if you put some (not too much but some) time in it, you should be easily able to get the exact same gear as the best players in the world, therefore you can only blame yourself if you don't achieve the things in the game what you want. It's not always about skill, a lot of times you don't get invite because you have no way of proving that you know the tactics and you have enough dps etc... you get gatekeeped because you don't have good enough gear.
Around 4%, but this only matter when you know your rotation anyway.
hey xaryu can u please make aoe rotation vide for ss mage arcane tnx alot.
what a sad day. from having the most fun in a long time to completely ruined and not playing the game anymore.
Whine
I dont even play game, but i understand combo.
uh yeah? its raid buffs not being present and execute dmg
I need your Weakauras Xaryu
Your DPS on a target dummy is lower because you have 100% INCREASE Barrage DMG on 35% lower HP (check your arcane talents)
Why the 70% mana rule?
because otherwise you BURN mana so to make sure you have enough to blast you barrage more, 70% is about when you wanna barrage
so you don't drain your mana so much i assume
Casting arcane barrage gives you mana, I would guess that's why. Probably more to it that i don't know about though
Enlightened - Damage buff for staying above 70% mana, mana regen for going below 70%.
Arcane is dead. You just go oom. It’s awful. I hate blizzard. They ruin a good thing every time
No
Its weird that u didn’t include any pics or text on ur video and i still understand the whole new rotation so ty ❤
the reason you feel weird on dummies is probably because you dont have all the raid buffs from your party
wowhead says barrage for GI too
We are not playing Sunfury anymore, tho!
@@vaclavkriz2509 oh read the illustration wrong, ty
wow they made this class lame as FUCK now
Now make a vid about AoE rotation pls
Any aoe guide
Such a horrible patch. All 3 specs ruined
Yea it sucks, fire and arcane still a top DPS. Poor mages.
@@mehsterSkeletor fire isn’t top anywhere bro lol
Yeah must suck to have all 3 specs performing above average while other classes as a whole ain't even at average XD.
@@HOBOTw1tcH initially it was meant like that. After last minute nerfs the new sim basically show that Fire is almost as strong as Arcane and since Frost was nerfed by that SS nerf, its weakest. So hes right, fire is actually stronger (or equally strong) on 3+ targets.
@@mehsterSkeletor check warcraft logs again.
Still so hard to understand lmao
My friend just started playing the game as mage and he is completely overwhelmed. Why is this so complicated? Not saying it should be face roll, but come on.
Blizzard needs to change Arcane back to when it was fun to play and you didn't have to be a programmer to learn. Blizzard should take tips from Fire mage.
Hekili 4tw
Back to frostfire then. But mages just suck and are fucked up to play.
Better Nerf Fire mage
Not gonna lie, the specs looks like it feels horrible to play now. Back to frost it is