Most people don't know how to play HC. They think that their experience in the game is the key, but the only key to HC is to not do anything that increase your % probability to die. I don't care if someone can solo elite mob 3 lvls above him as warrior, the act of it is stupid and it is not how one should play HC. Most people just don't see the math, they don't see the analytics behind every movement and decision
yeah i used to solo farm these on my druid and would need to have my hots rolling the entire fight. They hit extremely hard, even when I had decent gear. King Mosh is at least 2-3x as strong as the other ones. 2 people is not enough.
also lets talk about its not just any devilsaur its KING MOSH a literal raid boss in unguro bscly in the end its a knowledge gap also he does have pet on his frames its above his cam/chat
@@zoogie980 i solo killed Mosh but it was in tbc fairly geared t4 bis and this freak fuck actually put on a fight lmao, even tho i was a paladin So this druid was 100% dead from the start
How do you get to 59 doing things like nova into iceblock? Like now that i've got distance from the mobs with both melee and ranged attacks I better wait for them to catch up?
@@sammy7142 True as may be. It wasn't the question the original poster opened with. You only questions things you don't understand being able to do. Thats about all there is to it. Idgaf about facts.
I mean these people are allergic to warlocks and druids, no healthstones, no imp stamina, no motw, very bad class variety means buffs are minimal. Their fault for trying to meta.
@@EternallyGodif ur blaming healer here ur bad at the game. Soda is overrated too the guy is only good at dueling on a druid he barely knows shit about pve he just acts like he does. He has redditor levels of "knowledge"
@@EternallyGod This is not a healing issue. He got crushed for being the wrong spec in the wrong stance with too little gear. Healing isn't going to save that. Healing is not some catch all that protects people from doing stupid things. It has it's limits and people need to understand that when trying to flex their e-peen on the dmg meters for the sake of "fun". I hope he has his fun releveling.
just a reminder that priests can mind control units at the start of BRS and buff with big fire res and fire tongue should be tanked away from the rest of the pack and merked
Tank should just do what ever he wants, as a DPS you better watch threat, if you just mash your buttons and take agro that death on you, not the tank "failing to keep agro"
Nothing to do with gotta go fast. Its infinitely safer to do it that way than the other way. Its just more difficult. But fight length can and is more dangerous than the defense you lose from your shield.
The patience it takes to carefully pull your way to 60 timing which quest to do and avoiding sticky situations for 60-80 hours of levelling just to be too impatient to wait for the tank to establish.
@@NewMetaTV it's infinitely safer to eat 20% (plus X% from armor and block, depending) more damage? I mean, maybe it's worth it with the right gear and group outside of HC when getting "bad rng" just means a corpse run that's offset by saving 10 minutes each run. But in HC, I would play like we did in vanilla, sword and board and as much CC as possible. When the pull is under control you can still switch out the shield.
I mean... half of the dungeon deaths could've been avoided if people just knew that "run" meant "leave the dungeon fast" instead of "second guess whether you're fighting or leaving at least 4 times." Dunno why people have a tough time with that word...
Berserker stance is not necessary for tanking no matter what people tell you. Stay in defensive stace and tab sunder. Berserker stance has a threat modifier of 0.8 and defensive stance has a threat modifier of 1.3. If you tank in berserker you probably don't have an understanding of the fact that it is almost 2x less threat in berserker while taking 20% more damage. If you want AOE threat stock up on the AOE charges from Ungoro to use while in defensive stance. It's like 700 threat to all enemies. Only time to be in zerker is for one split second to pop zerker rage before assassin reaches you for the gauge immunity.. never for WW threat.
Problem is if youre doing 200 runs of ubrs that means you need around 2000 crystal charges to clear all of the packs. It requires 10 yellow and 10 red power crystals to make 6 charges. that means 3340 of both red and yellow. At that level you might as well just relevel. Maybe if you use furbolg medicine pouch and everglow lantern for overheal threat off cooldown you can make a case for it.
trying to teach somebody wow mechanics in a youtube comment lmao they dont want to learn. thats the problem. just look at tyler1s stream, he actively tries to stay ignorant and not learn
Sardaco died primarily because both healers were focused on Summit on the pull, when you have two or more groups/tanks each healer has to have their focus tank and you need the heals coming in on the pull unless you have very experienced healers. Even if he was in defensive stance, I doubt it would have bought him enough time for the healers to notice his health drop dramatically plus have the reaction time + cast time to do much about it. If a tank can die in 2 seconds you can't afford to have healers be off their focus on a pull. Once you have control of the situation then sure, heal your nuts off but when a tank goes down like that without a single tick of healing then it is a healer/leadership issue. You will need to get the healers sorted out before raiding as that will be a complete raid wipe instead of a single tank death.
Heals were incoming to Sardaco, he literally died in a second Its 100% sardco's fault being in zerker and no shield. You don't need WW to get aggro there, you can easily get it being in defensive stance and tab sunder each mob very quickly with cleave.
Under geared tank in duel wield spec with no shield dies in 2.1 seconds from 83% hp.... healer fault... lol not sure you should be duel wield tanking ubrs in that gear.
That is stupid, it had nothing to do with the healers. He would be alive as a prot tank end of discussion. We've all ran through this pack hundreds of times before, it's not a particularly hard pack, they were just undergeared and incorrectly spec'd. Say the healers had focused him, they would likely rip threat with the amount of healing that would have been required. Even if they pre-faded and pre-cast greater heals he still may have died with that much damage. Say that pull is saved by some miracle of god. All healers would be oom, most likely one would be dead and the whole group would be sitting there waiting for the healers to drink between every pull. So if one of the tanks accidently messes up and loses aggro you probably have a dps dead since the healers have to focus so hard on the "tanks". Waste of time and fully gearing like this would take way longer than necessary. No matter how you look at it, it's inefficient to have fresh 60 warriors dual wielding in UBRS. They need some general amount of pre-raid BIS gear before they tank an end game pack of 5 mobs in zerker stance and that's a fact.
Learning to play a Priest I learned... whenever someone starts to take a LOT of dmg fast, your quickest [non-CD] abilities to save someone would be shield > renew, both of which are only 1 gcd, then start casting a heal, which can be canceled [if needed] if they stopped taking a lot of damage. The hardest for me personally, is when 2 people start taking a lot of damage, prioritizing who and when and what heals are most efficient and fast. Also learning to watch the bubble debuff. How many times I've tried to throw a shield back up on a target with Weakened Soul, and have to pause a sec while my brain calculates why it didn't work. Adding a debuff tracker in some way would be nice. I also used to hate priest bubbles when I played my warrior, but just found out recently that absorbs still count towards rage generation, in classic.
renew is pretty bad actually dont use it if people actually need heals. just shield and heal, preferably something low rank so you can do it fast. only use renew to top people off when you have a lot of mana
The Druid guy was a bad Druid. Instead of using entangling root or hibernate. He used regrowth which got him a load of healing aggro and the hunter who should be able to solo the beastie at max level was to low level to sufficiently tank the devilsaur also his pet was a cat too
The UBRS group had two hunters and they didn't freeze trap any mobs. The safest way is to lay a freeze trap on the bridge, pull the melee mob so it runs in the trap. Sheep an orc mob and stunlock the caster dragon. Instead the group went for one sheep, frost traps for slow and blizzard for AoE.
Exactly the point I just made didn't see this one down here hardcore is a different animal you can't take chances as a tank crushing blows or no joke especially combined with any kind of spells
dude sucks at shammy. he could have dropped healing and stoneskin if he was worried about the rouge dying. could have dropped earthbind at the right time and made an escape.
As someone who mains a Druid since 2005, I gotta say that Druids death was one of the worst plays I’ve seen in a long time… really hard to watch someone just not even trying to survive, while having such a great toolkit a Druid has
in all honesty I've watched a lot of the only fangs stuff and he's right about Bwean he roaches and has gotten people killed I wouldn't want to be in a group with him
Bwean dead was his own fault. They said "run" and he hesitated at least 3 times ⏲️ to heal? The person calling to run? Sorry... no hesitation whilst running, and he would had made it our
I mean, healers could've been aware about the tanks' health, he's been having 6% hp for 0.4s, they could see him being hit 1.0s ago, 1.3s ago, that's not a high reaction time requirement, tbh.
bean is just bad , never try to save a rogue who has multiple ways to escape when you're a shaman who has 0 ways to escape, that's just bad decision making
@@kyin45 it doesnt matter what he knows, even if the rogue has every CD down, shaman has 0 ways to escape out of that situation even with every CD, so you should always focus on getting out yourself in that situation, if the rogue hasnt saved CD for emergency thats on them
I'm SO GRATEFUL for WoW Classic 30th Anniversary 2024 ... it'd be so easy for this to not be happening, and for everybody to be off doing their own thing, playing indie games on their stream, reacting to Gordon Ramsey videos etc... but instead, we have this whole event, viewers and streamers alike are enjoying playing old school WoW, and it's honestly just great!
I mean you don't need to re watch the clip, you can see in his death log that he didn't received one heal. If there were heals they would've been there too with incoming damage. But to be honest he received 3.9k dmg in 2.1 sec, doubt that healers could react that fast.
I mean on pulls like that, his priest should have started a precast as soon as the mobs got into the doorway and began pumping heals into him. At the latest, they should have qued a heals as soon as that charge went out and just kept pumping heals until Summit got threat on his half.
I’ve always done that UBRS pack with either 3 tanks and 1 mage or 2 tanks and 2 mage’s at the minimum usually a sap is involved also If only one poly, I personally almost died by going in also as a tank tried to whirlwind for rage and then got chunked so low, I learned my lesson that day, sword and board for those pulls and massive CC either mage / rogue / hunter / and or all with tanks Separating and not stack tanking them. Pull into the big room and spread them out.
Can you power word shield when you're not in the tank's party? I thought you couldn't, even in a raid. Did they change that in vanilla? edit: I looked it up, yes it was patched, sorry for any confusion, I was a day 1 player: "Patch 1.3.0 (2005-03-07): Now castable on all raid targets."
@@joshholmes1372 You definitely can't pws someone not even in your raid. edit: I went and tested it myself, you can do it if they're in your raid, but you definitely couldn't at one point in vanilla. You also definitely cannot if they're not in your party or raid at all I looked it up, Patch 1.3.0 (2005-03-07): Now castable on all raid targets.
Where's the fire resist totem for Sardaco? I don't see a buff or the totem placed down.Not enough stuns on the mobs, as Soda said no pets tanking... They made it that far so I won't criticize too much, but a shaman who doesn't put FR down every pull doesn't realize how much they're throwing. I learned this in 2006 when my guild was like "Are you keeping fire resist down?" They asked like 3 times despite me answering, so I made a macro to yell every time I placed it. 60 FR doesn't guarantee that 1.5k fire blast does less, but there's no reason to not have it down.
They know enough to know fury tanking is good at some point in the game but not enough to know what that point is. Dunning krueger. They deserve to go back to brill
The sardo clip.. is healers fault.. He got killed with 86 damage overkill which is NOTHING if just 1-2 heals came in and he would've lived. 86 damage is also enough that with defensive stance he would live with like 300-500 HP left, but he got stunned and cant change so thats just bad luck. But the most dangerous part of a pull is the actual pull so healers 100% should be responsible for not healing him
What do Warriors expect I understand vanilla can be ran with two one handers and in Berserker but this is Hardcore you need to come prepared and defensive stances have some defense gear so you don't get crushing blows that's what a critical is for NPCs and certain pulls you'll need to pull out your Shield and one-hander then defense stats is that simple... once you have close to best in slots then you can think about never having a one-hander in a shield.. Better have some tanks willing to go defense Caps or avoidance for later bosses especially in nax are you all going to die.. remember people it's hardcore
Feigning against a mob 5 levels above you will be resisted 40% of the time. You can't rely on feign. Judd should have never pulled King Mosh. That's a 10 man raid boss. All he had to do was look it up when he saw it. That's what I did first time seeing it last year lol
@@TacSav253 well that is true dumb of them to pull the King in the first place , they prolly tought its some normal devilsaur or smth xDDD . Shit happens , go agane . at least its not DC death
Finally bean dies. How many did he kill before he finally fell himself? The 60 population is safer for it. How someone can be such an insane arena player, and such a dogshit HC player I will never know.
For the sardaco clip: they have a shaman, windfury totem is apparently up but no fire-resistance or stoneskin totems? That pull long enough to have everything set up. This alone could've been enough to save sardaco, considering how many "smaller" hits he took, stoneskin could've really done a lot.
if you drop a stoneskin and not a strength of earth, people will scream at you for being an idiot in the same way that if you drop a fire resist totem instead of a mana spring people, especially notoriously sweaty players, will scream at you. Would Stoneskin and FR totem have helped? Likely. Do I know why they weren't out? Yep.
their "pumping" and "deeps" are more important than defensives. if they drop even a smidge on the meter because of it, you are a baddie and probably removed from group and blacklisted. it is what it is. which is why, when people start getting sweats, I just leave, not worth the headache.
I think Soda needs to tell these Tanks that they do not need to fury prot tank until they have actual tank gear. Sardogo sitting in Berserker Stance with very little gear is what killed him. Stupid move. Fury prot is only really needed when your whole raid is geared, potted, and fully World Buffed, and min-maxing dps and you are having issues with Threat. Not for these no gear 60 dungeons like UBRS on hardcore mode. Its literally stupid. Tank with a shield in Prot stance. You will still have no threat issues until later on when your raids or groups are geared and or fully buffed and potted.. Its crazy watching these "vet" WoW players with so little knowledge of the game most of us have played for so long. And yes. Ive Fury Prot Main tanked for high ranked speed running guilds in classic for years and played this game forever too. If you disagree. You are wrong.
i'd argue even further that deep prot is superior to fury for dungeons in the current gear level. afaik you never really went fury tank before at least MC gear.
Sardogo should ask T1 for some help, maybe he wouldn't have died.
I mean where is his priest shield, I'm so confused. 2 priests and not a single shield??
@@Metallijosh100 No shield on tank, no pre-cast, zero heals from the get go. Yikes.
Not onlyy that, I assume they had 3 healers, so why were the healers not assigned? One on each tank, and the 3rd is flex?
Sar is such trash.
Most people don't know how to play HC. They think that their experience in the game is the key, but the only key to HC is to not do anything that increase your % probability to die. I don't care if someone can solo elite mob 3 lvls above him as warrior, the act of it is stupid and it is not how one should play HC. Most people just don't see the math, they don't see the analytics behind every movement and decision
Druid clip is insane. No motw, no pets on raid frames, no innervate to roll hots, no barskin. Mega noob.
yeah i used to solo farm these on my druid and would need to have my hots rolling the entire fight. They hit extremely hard, even when I had decent gear. King Mosh is at least 2-3x as strong as the other ones. 2 people is not enough.
also lets talk about its not just any devilsaur its KING MOSH a literal raid boss in unguro bscly in the end its a knowledge gap also he does have pet on his frames its above his cam/chat
@@zoogie980 i solo killed Mosh but it was in tbc fairly geared t4 bis and this freak fuck actually put on a fight lmao, even tho i was a paladin
So this druid was 100% dead from the start
Massive overheal on the regrowth and rejuv in the first place. Just go bear form until pet can get it, lol.
He pooped when the pet got feared, that happens alot in this.
How do you get to 59 doing things like nova into iceblock? Like now that i've got distance from the mobs with both melee and ranged attacks I better wait for them to catch up?
I guess he is just better than you. 🤡 Born natural in comparison. Don't question it; just accept your inadequacy.
@KJab21512 you're supposed to nova ice block in aoe to give them time to muster up
@@Bleaxz6584 you nova *after* the ice block, not before lol
He should've used barrier out of block tho, then nova... let the ice armor slow. Might’ve lived
@@sammy7142 True as may be. It wasn't the question the original poster opened with. You only questions things you don't understand being able to do. Thats about all there is to it. Idgaf about facts.
Viggy gave Moon Staff of Jordan just for this moment
Sardonko has very few buffs for a level 60 tank in a 10 man run.
Buffs arent going to save ya when the other tank is getting all the heals.
I mean these people are allergic to warlocks and druids, no healthstones, no imp stamina, no motw, very bad class variety means buffs are minimal. Their fault for trying to meta.
sardaco is a braindead dog
@@EternallyGodif ur blaming healer here ur bad at the game. Soda is overrated too the guy is only good at dueling on a druid he barely knows shit about pve he just acts like he does. He has redditor levels of "knowledge"
@@EternallyGod This is not a healing issue. He got crushed for being the wrong spec in the wrong stance with too little gear. Healing isn't going to save that.
Healing is not some catch all that protects people from doing stupid things. It has it's limits and people need to understand that when trying to flex their e-peen on the dmg meters for the sake of "fun". I hope he has his fun releveling.
OnlyFangs, MostlyNoobs
isnt that the point? a bunch of new players doing classic raids?
@@cully7927 it is in fact, the entire point of OnlyFangs 😂
@@TheRyndiculous its the point but not at all what actually happened lol
just a reminder that priests can mind control units at the start of BRS and buff with big fire res and fire tongue should be tanked away from the rest of the pack and merked
Sardaco death is hilarious. 2 rogues, 1 mage, 1 shaman, 2 warriors and no kicks or stuns on the caster, the most dangerous mob...
Not running all your consumes like your in a MC run is crazy to me considering this is hardcore.
Moon moon was that guy soda gave the tribute chest staff of j to?
the staff jorkin
The races choose who gets the items they win, not soda
@@jylounen that's even worse 💀
@@Bleaxz6584 how?
The staff of I swear I didnt cheat on my wife
God forbid you SLOW down and give the tank 5 seconds to get aggro with a sheild... end of the world!
I agree. I fucking hate this gotta go fast mentality.
Tank should just do what ever he wants, as a DPS you better watch threat, if you just mash your buttons and take agro that death on you, not the tank "failing to keep agro"
Nothing to do with gotta go fast. Its infinitely safer to do it that way than the other way. Its just more difficult. But fight length can and is more dangerous than the defense you lose from your shield.
The patience it takes to carefully pull your way to 60 timing which quest to do and avoiding sticky situations for 60-80 hours of levelling just to be too impatient to wait for the tank to establish.
@@NewMetaTV it's infinitely safer to eat 20% (plus X% from armor and block, depending) more damage? I mean, maybe it's worth it with the right gear and group outside of HC when getting "bad rng" just means a corpse run that's offset by saving 10 minutes each run. But in HC, I would play like we did in vanilla, sword and board and as much CC as possible. When the pull is under control you can still switch out the shield.
So far in most of these clips when someone in a group dies, there's always someone not in discord. Make it a requirement to at least be in call
I mean... half of the dungeon deaths could've been avoided if people just knew that "run" meant "leave the dungeon fast" instead of "second guess whether you're fighting or leaving at least 4 times."
Dunno why people have a tough time with that word...
@ I agree with that as well, however you can speak way faster than you can type, and you can convey a situation much more efficiently through speech
Did you even watch the video? This was a repeated conversation throughout. lol.
@ I honestly watched the first clip and immediately made the comment cause I’ve seen so many of these muted people dying because they’re not on comms
Berserker stance is not necessary for tanking no matter what people tell you. Stay in defensive stace and tab sunder. Berserker stance has a threat modifier of 0.8 and defensive stance has a threat modifier of 1.3. If you tank in berserker you probably don't have an understanding of the fact that it is almost 2x less threat in berserker while taking 20% more damage. If you want AOE threat stock up on the AOE charges from Ungoro to use while in defensive stance. It's like 700 threat to all enemies. Only time to be in zerker is for one split second to pop zerker rage before assassin reaches you for the gauge immunity.. never for WW threat.
Stop making sense, man.
Problem is if youre doing 200 runs of ubrs that means you need around 2000 crystal charges to clear all of the packs. It requires 10 yellow and 10 red power crystals to make 6 charges. that means 3340 of both red and yellow. At that level you might as well just relevel.
Maybe if you use furbolg medicine pouch and everglow lantern for overheal threat off cooldown you can make a case for it.
trying to teach somebody wow mechanics in a youtube comment lmao
they dont want to learn. thats the problem. just look at tyler1s stream, he actively tries to stay ignorant and not learn
Sardaco died primarily because both healers were focused on Summit on the pull, when you have two or more groups/tanks each healer has to have their focus tank and you need the heals coming in on the pull unless you have very experienced healers. Even if he was in defensive stance, I doubt it would have bought him enough time for the healers to notice his health drop dramatically plus have the reaction time + cast time to do much about it.
If a tank can die in 2 seconds you can't afford to have healers be off their focus on a pull. Once you have control of the situation then sure, heal your nuts off but when a tank goes down like that without a single tick of healing then it is a healer/leadership issue. You will need to get the healers sorted out before raiding as that will be a complete raid wipe instead of a single tank death.
Heals were incoming to Sardaco, he literally died in a second
Its 100% sardco's fault being in zerker and no shield.
You don't need WW to get aggro there, you can easily get it being in defensive stance and tab sunder each mob very quickly with cleave.
Under geared tank in duel wield spec with no shield dies in 2.1 seconds from 83% hp.... healer fault... lol not sure you should be duel wield tanking ubrs in that gear.
That is stupid, it had nothing to do with the healers. He would be alive as a prot tank end of discussion. We've all ran through this pack hundreds of times before, it's not a particularly hard pack, they were just undergeared and incorrectly spec'd.
Say the healers had focused him, they would likely rip threat with the amount of healing that would have been required. Even if they pre-faded and pre-cast greater heals he still may have died with that much damage.
Say that pull is saved by some miracle of god. All healers would be oom, most likely one would be dead and the whole group would be sitting there waiting for the healers to drink between every pull. So if one of the tanks accidently messes up and loses aggro you probably have a dps dead since the healers have to focus so hard on the "tanks". Waste of time and fully gearing like this would take way longer than necessary.
No matter how you look at it, it's inefficient to have fresh 60 warriors dual wielding in UBRS. They need some general amount of pre-raid BIS gear before they tank an end game pack of 5 mobs in zerker stance and that's a fact.
Zerker stance, no shield, and only 1 poly with mobs being stacked, GG, may he learn from this death.
@@Ravespilloamen , well said man.
Need a full grp for king mosh
You are told not to power word shield as a priest your entire time lvling.
It's bad on pull if warrior or druid needs rage but it sure beats dying
@@Peatopher90 Hindsight andy. 95% of priests don't PWS there
@@keynight7513 i was speaking in general, elitist classic wow andy
it is indeed one of the very few times where pw:shield would have been ok hahaha
A bad priest Spams PW:S every pull. A good priest doesn't use it so the tank can get rage. A great priest knows when to use it and when not to.
Learning to play a Priest I learned... whenever someone starts to take a LOT of dmg fast, your quickest [non-CD] abilities to save someone would be shield > renew, both of which are only 1 gcd, then start casting a heal, which can be canceled [if needed] if they stopped taking a lot of damage. The hardest for me personally, is when 2 people start taking a lot of damage, prioritizing who and when and what heals are most efficient and fast. Also learning to watch the bubble debuff. How many times I've tried to throw a shield back up on a target with Weakened Soul, and have to pause a sec while my brain calculates why it didn't work. Adding a debuff tracker in some way would be nice. I also used to hate priest bubbles when I played my warrior, but just found out recently that absorbs still count towards rage generation, in classic.
renew is pretty bad actually dont use it if people actually need heals. just shield and heal, preferably something low rank so you can do it fast.
only use renew to top people off when you have a lot of mana
Today was rough! 💀
The Druid guy was a bad Druid. Instead of using entangling root or hibernate. He used regrowth which got him a load of healing aggro and the hunter who should be able to solo the beastie at max level was to low level to sufficiently tank the devilsaur also his pet was a cat too
The UBRS group had two hunters and they didn't freeze trap any mobs. The safest way is to lay a freeze trap on the bridge, pull the melee mob so it runs in the trap. Sheep an orc mob and stunlock the caster dragon. Instead the group went for one sheep, frost traps for slow and blizzard for AoE.
Hunter not traping their own mobs and rogue not cheapshotting into kidneys… they were not doing their jobs
RUN
>doesnt run
>dies
I AM NEVER GROUPING WITH CDEW
20:00 Defensive stance, shield and protection spec and he 100 % survives this no problem.
Try telling that to these dunning kruegers who think dual wield tanking in quest gear is the right way to play (in hardcore too lmao)
Exactly the point I just made didn't see this one down here hardcore is a different animal you can't take chances as a tank crushing blows or no joke especially combined with any kind of spells
Sardaco said he was on his way back to defensive stance. He said he got knocked back in during the GC and couldn’t get into Def stance.
Thank God, Bean can finally stop accidentally getting other level 60s murdered for a week.
dude sucks at shammy. he could have dropped healing and stoneskin if he was worried about the rouge dying. could have dropped earthbind at the right time and made an escape.
He never caused anyone to die
@Zayzilla13 I've seen like 3 videos where his bad decision making/indecisive-ness, or running prematurely has gotten 60's killed.
@@QuentinHast77 When you watched them I think you forgot to open your eyes, idktho
@@Zayzilla13 weird cause 34 other people have agreed with me so far. We must all be blind.
Farming devilsaurs without even self-buffing is a way of life.
For the UBRS, you can just perma CC more with freezing traps and focus 1by1 if worried about such
Bwean doesn't know how to taunt totem, druid doesn't know how to sprint and I love warriors who don't use shields tanking in zerker stance lol
Soda better not die. He'd have to level without a dedicated healer.
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Distracting shot is not a taunt.
No but it would have still have ripped aggro
As someone who mains a Druid since 2005, I gotta say that Druids death was one of the worst plays I’ve seen in a long time… really hard to watch someone just not even trying to survive, while having such a great toolkit a Druid has
in all honesty I've watched a lot of the only fangs stuff and he's right about Bwean he roaches and has gotten people killed I wouldn't want to be in a group with him
Bwean dead was his own fault. They said "run" and he hesitated at least 3 times ⏲️ to heal? The person calling to run? Sorry... no hesitation whilst running, and he would had made it our
For ubrs one they could of left some mobs near entrance alive to be MC'd for fire resist for the last couple packs of the dungeon it lasts 1 hour.
I've never seen so many terrible players under a single banner before.
It's a real tribute to what can happen when a circlejerk gets enough momentum.
you can grounding totem the fire blast, its a targeted spell, in the future put down a grounding ahead of the pull
That's a mighty cute hairdo, Boybandpoppin.
Well if you die that fast, you obviously dont tank in berserker stance
The tank death, thats why you always interrupt long casts and kill first
I mean, healers could've been aware about the tanks' health, he's been having 6% hp for 0.4s, they could see him being hit 1.0s ago, 1.3s ago, that's not a high reaction time requirement, tbh.
moonmoon's is funny, it literally says 'do not do this unless your in a group of 2'
bean is just bad , never try to save a rogue who has multiple ways to escape when you're a shaman who has 0 ways to escape, that's just bad decision making
He can't know the rogues CDs are up lol
@@kyin45you can with communication lol
@@MollyLucyMaryJ which is on cdew
@@LMarti13 ye if cdew was in discord he coulda just said "ill try get aggro and vanish, just run" and bean would have lived kekw
@@kyin45 it doesnt matter what he knows, even if the rogue has every CD down, shaman has 0 ways to escape out of that situation even with every CD, so you should always focus on getting out yourself in that situation, if the rogue hasnt saved CD for emergency thats on them
I'm SO GRATEFUL for WoW Classic 30th Anniversary 2024 ... it'd be so easy for this to not be happening, and for everybody to be off doing their own thing, playing indie games on their stream, reacting to Gordon Ramsey videos etc... but instead, we have this whole event, viewers and streamers alike are enjoying playing old school WoW, and it's honestly just great!
Not being in discord is the dumbest crap and I don't play WoW. ESPECIALLY IN DUNGEONS.
totally agreed especially at level 60 💀
I mean you don't need to re watch the clip, you can see in his death log that he didn't received one heal. If there were heals they would've been there too with incoming damage. But to be honest he received 3.9k dmg in 2.1 sec, doubt that healers could react that fast.
I mean on pulls like that, his priest should have started a precast as soon as the mobs got into the doorway and began pumping heals into him. At the latest, they should have qued a heals as soon as that charge went out and just kept pumping heals until Summit got threat on his half.
Healing in classic isnt reaction based.
I’ve shitposted from day one that without mob tagging, an MC raid of nom sweats isn’t going to happen.
I’ve always done that UBRS pack with either 3 tanks and 1 mage or 2 tanks and 2 mage’s at the minimum usually a sap is involved also If only one poly, I personally almost died by going in also as a tank tried to whirlwind for rage and then got chunked so low, I learned my lesson that day, sword and board for those pulls and massive CC either mage / rogue / hunter / and or all with tanks Separating and not stack tanking them. Pull into the big room and spread them out.
In the hardest content you are running at your gear level, a food buff and potion / scroll buffs may be prudent.
Does that mean the mute is probably getting kicked from the guild? lol.
"How are you going to get threat on everything in defensive stance" ok bro, might want to read the ability
Can you power word shield when you're not in the tank's party? I thought you couldn't, even in a raid. Did they change that in vanilla?
edit: I looked it up, yes it was patched, sorry for any confusion, I was a day 1 player:
"Patch 1.3.0 (2005-03-07): Now castable on all raid targets."
Wtf are you on about? You can pws anyone at any time as long as they don't have a weakened soul debuff from a recent pws
@@joshholmes1372 You definitely can't pws someone not even in your raid.
edit: I went and tested it myself, you can do it if they're in your raid, but you definitely couldn't at one point in vanilla. You also definitely cannot if they're not in your party or raid at all
I looked it up, Patch 1.3.0 (2005-03-07): Now castable on all raid targets.
Where's the fire resist totem for Sardaco? I don't see a buff or the totem placed down.Not enough stuns on the mobs, as Soda said no pets tanking...
They made it that far so I won't criticize too much, but a shaman who doesn't put FR down every pull doesn't realize how much they're throwing. I learned this in 2006 when my guild was like "Are you keeping fire resist down?" They asked like 3 times despite me answering, so I made a macro to yell every time I placed it.
60 FR doesn't guarantee that 1.5k fire blast does less, but there's no reason to not have it down.
There is 0% chance you tank in zerk stance in UBRS unless you're in full pvp/naxx gear.
It's not even RNG, this will happen a lot more if people tank those packs in zerk stance
I never liked warrior tanking until Blood and Thunder.
It actually bothers me that chance just says 60 hours for 60, it took me 45 to get to lvl 38 and 10 secs to die in a DC.
moon moon had plenty of mana left for ice barrier and mana barrier to live that, christ
14:45 I mean, he even had a macro called DASH for the cat sprint :D
If hunters and rogue were doing their job that ubrs pull doesnt even require healing
Discord mandatory for dungeon is such a good rule ngl, is really common sense
i think maybe if judd had the owl as a pet for taunt or if thurt used barksin and hibernate to get away ? thoughts?. i think there was too much panic.
For UBRS, I don't get why they don't just go prot. It's hardcore...
Pumping is fun, but seriously. So many tries tanking in berserker stance and dps gear (like devilsaur!) in HC.
You're going to be spending 30+ seconds to get any threat with prot. Prot is really, really dogshit.
@@TheTotalripoff Question is would he have survived those hits if prot? If yes, then the argument falls on its own
The same reason why lot of warriors go to dungeon just to fight orange mobs, they just don't play HC safe enough
@@Dre33Norway No, he wouldn't. Neither of the healers were even queueing up a heal on him. Even in prot he dies to the next auto.
They are all at fault on beans for not being in discord. Could have easily solved the issue talking to each other
as a non-wow player i dont understand any of this but cannot get enough damn it!
I’m suprised Cdew didn’t run an ad in between that speech
It's almost like all these self-proclaimed "veteran" wow players are all hot garbage 🤣🤣
I haven't played a second of wow but have been following this stuff very closely
for ubrs you just need to stun assassins and use gfpp
Onlyfails
Them elven archers ain't no joke
5:35 what's ironic is he was just talking about Free Action Potions lol
Yeah. He made a bad call drinking that mana potion earlier.
Berserker stance no shield... "that's kinda how you tank tho" okay well then you''re fucking asking to die.... its hardcore...... smh
They know enough to know fury tanking is good at some point in the game but not enough to know what that point is. Dunning krueger. They deserve to go back to brill
18:00 no, he healed, and gained aggro, on him 100% brainrot move but bro, he got to 60 props, but yeah, one mistake bro, why you heal the pet, LMAO
4:00 hahahah I was thinking the same thing watching him get like 6 people killed the other day. No way in hell I'd invite that guy to raid.
Why would you capitalize “is” and not “in”?
Tanking black rock in beserker stance without shield bad but in HC horrible.
crazy cause he was literally just talking bout fishing and getting alch up for Free Action Potions something that wouldve saved him here
The sardo clip.. is healers fault.. He got killed with 86 damage overkill which is NOTHING if just 1-2 heals came in and he would've lived. 86 damage is also enough that with defensive stance he would live with like 300-500 HP left, but he got stunned and cant change so thats just bad luck. But the most dangerous part of a pull is the actual pull so healers 100% should be responsible for not healing him
Yea it's really weird that he would start the pull outside defensive stance. Huge grief on the warrior's part
Those last pulls in UBRS are fkn deadly one place i would say Defstance with shield or more CC hunter traps/ pets. that being said he did get unlucky.
Said it before and I'll say it again. They're not clearing MC LOL!
Yes they are it’s so fucking easy
They will
only way they dont is if they overpull packs while not having petri yet.
The trash is the hardest part of mc and as long as they take it slow they’ll be fine.
They will, there's like 600+ players
also warrior rage isnt that much you have to worry about a pw:shield .... bears is a whole different storyw
HC i am no longer dps tanking in UBRS lol
the first 2 fats are the same person tbh
Body shaming as an anonymous person poggers.
This is why you made the guild quit pretending “oh we’re in trouble” no you’re getting the content you banked on.
What do Warriors expect I understand vanilla can be ran with two one handers and in Berserker but this is Hardcore you need to come prepared and defensive stances have some defense gear so you don't get crushing blows that's what a critical is for NPCs and certain pulls you'll need to pull out your Shield and one-hander then defense stats is that simple... once you have close to best in slots then you can think about never having a one-hander in a shield.. Better have some tanks willing to go defense Caps or avoidance for later bosses especially in nax are you all going to die.. remember people it's hardcore
Hardcore is short term my dude, nothing in hardcore will last. Enjoy the farming while it last.
that's kinda the point. These hardcore servers won't update into the next expansion.
retail andies mad that classic hc gets more views than retail has ever had
hunter had pack on, hence the daze
Moon would have lived if he didn't jump off the side and went off the front instead. I guess it's a game knowledge diff there.
honestly. As much beans fault as any. Bro ur a "vet" and u dont use omnicd????????? IT SHOWS UR TEAMMATES COOLDOWNS AND WHEN THEY USE THEM
Fury prot does not tank in zerker stance..
Did the tank even try to save the healer
Hunter could have taken agro and faint . Bark would not have saved druid or anything literally.
Feigning against a mob 5 levels above you will be resisted 40% of the time. You can't rely on feign. Judd should have never pulled King Mosh. That's a 10 man raid boss. All he had to do was look it up when he saw it. That's what I did first time seeing it last year lol
@@TacSav253 well that is true dumb of them to pull the King in the first place , they prolly tought its some normal devilsaur or smth xDDD . Shit happens , go agane . at least its not DC death
Cdew got agro on those mobs so he can then unleash them on bean lol
Finally bean dies. How many did he kill before he finally fell himself? The 60 population is safer for it. How someone can be such an insane arena player, and such a dogshit HC player I will never know.
For the sardaco clip: they have a shaman, windfury totem is apparently up but no fire-resistance or stoneskin totems? That pull long enough to have everything set up. This alone could've been enough to save sardaco, considering how many "smaller" hits he took, stoneskin could've really done a lot.
if you drop a stoneskin and not a strength of earth, people will scream at you for being an idiot in the same way that if you drop a fire resist totem instead of a mana spring people, especially notoriously sweaty players, will scream at you. Would Stoneskin and FR totem have helped? Likely. Do I know why they weren't out? Yep.
their "pumping" and "deeps" are more important than defensives. if they drop even a smidge on the meter because of it, you are a baddie and probably removed from group and blacklisted. it is what it is. which is why, when people start getting sweats, I just leave, not worth the headache.
its not cdews fault bean doesnt do anything for like a solid minute lmao.
80% protection? It’s HC man if you ain’t 100% every pull then I’ll see your ass back in xroads
When you do these reactions live. You should have the player in the discord call with you. So you can shame them during the reaction
when are they gonna allow viewers to boost them at all times.
I think Soda needs to tell these Tanks that they do not need to fury prot tank until they have actual tank gear. Sardogo sitting in Berserker Stance with very little gear is what killed him. Stupid move. Fury prot is only really needed when your whole raid is geared, potted, and fully World Buffed, and min-maxing dps and you are having issues with Threat. Not for these no gear 60 dungeons like UBRS on hardcore mode. Its literally stupid. Tank with a shield in Prot stance. You will still have no threat issues until later on when your raids or groups are geared and or fully buffed and potted.. Its crazy watching these "vet" WoW players with so little knowledge of the game most of us have played for so long. And yes. Ive Fury Prot Main tanked for high ranked speed running guilds in classic for years and played this game forever too. If you disagree. You are wrong.
i'd argue even further that deep prot is superior to fury for dungeons in the current gear level. afaik you never really went fury tank before at least MC gear.
00:39 why would you insult? 😅
Woah, is this Soda new style ;D