*These are the changes from yesterday's upload:* - Mythic+ talent build has a new talent swap. Rather than removing a point in time Time Loop, we remove a point in Eureka and put it into Charged Orb. - Single target filler priority list changed. Mainly mana/enemy HP is no longer a factor in barrage conditions. Rotation demonstration was also updated to reflect that. - New funnel rotation section added. *Pure ST Import String* C4DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYMMbzCmxMmFPAjZGGTzMmBAAAAAgBAABMzstssMzELAAAAAAAglhhZmZmxMMzYMzMmZmxYGD *Raid Cleave Import String* C4DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYMMbzCmxMmFPAjZGGTzMmBAAAAAgBAABMzstssMzELAAAAAAAglZMMzMzMmhZmZMmxMzMGGD *Mythic+ Import String* C4DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjhZbWwMjZmFgZmxYamxMAAAAAAMAAIgZmtlllZmYBAAAAAgNAWmxwMzMzYGMzMGzMzMzYYMA *Written guides:* *Icy Veins by Dutchmagoz:* www.icy-veins.com/wow/arcane-mage-pve-dps-guide *Wowhead by Porom:* www.wowhead.com/arcane-mage-guide
dude! thank you soo much for this guide! it was honestly the most helpful I've come across, the clear and concise explanations as to what to use and when but also why we're using it and not only linking your addon setup but explaining how it works! I have always wanted to play arcane but found a lot of the guilds and discord groups very elitist and snobby, it was really refreshing to come across a helpful guide that doesn't belittle me for needing a long explanation of arcane or using an addon to help out a bit lol. thank you!!
Thank you friend, you don't know how much these helps. After changing rotataion again and again this expansion and we've only started has been pretty daunting, so again thank you.
Not a huge arcane fan but with fire in the dirt, you my friend are my hero haha. Really neat barrage assist weakaura as well! Thank you so much for this video!!
Please bro, I beg of you, make a fire mage guide, I cannot stress this enough, you are by far the best at explaining rotations and priorities and I believe that if you make a fire mage guide I will be able to understand it
@@LgamerYTproplayer give it a go, just generate hotstreaks lol. Jokes aside I promise it's simple. it has min maxing but the general idea is pretty basic. and well, you probably do more damage as arcane because it's tuned stronger right now. 😜
Don't know if you saw my comment yesterday but I suspected that you didn't need to worry about mana or enemy health. Thanks for updating the guide as all the other info is really useful :) Thanks!
Another great guide LETS GOOO! If I could request one thing though, could you show your damage breakdown at the end of your rotation demos? Although it may be kind of obvious what it will look like, I just like to use it to gauge damage % weights and I find it works as a good comparison metric for me.
Top tier guide as always ! Big thanks on behalf of all the mages ! Btw. is there by any chance a way to extract only the upper part of Your Barrage helper WA, and not the HP bar itself ?). Would be nice to have the green icons glowing sorted next to each other in a small pack on my screen.
thanks for putting all the effort in the video. I directly imported your resource aura without changing anything. There are no icons at all above the health bar, nothing to suggest I need to barrage. Does this needs to be used alongside something else?
This video is great content. I already had most of the information (mage since WOTLK) but this is a great informational for new players for sure. The only thing I'd suggest is to make the screen evenly split during the rotational demo so its easier to follow on the eyes. The smaller portion being gameplay kinda feels weird. Keep up the great content, and thank you!
thanks for putting all the effort in the video. I directly imported your resource aura without changing anything. There are no icons at all above the health bar, nothing to suggest I need to barrage. Does this needs to be used alongside something else? Could you please explain further how to get this to work?
Thanks for the guide! Could you please explain why do we use arcane exposion on 0 charges and then use Arcane Blast in AOE rotation? I guess we could just spam one of them until we get back 4 charges - to simplify the rotation without a significant loss in DPS. What do you think?
i apologize if i just missed it or its been asked. But at how many targets do you just start sending barrage at 4 charges? i believe I've seen 2-3 is AOE for SS. And is that the case in raid as well? thank you for the guide! Also with your barrage helper. when its glowing green with just the barrage icon why is that saying to send? if i use it then i dump all my charges. should i then send an orb to help recoup them in ST?
Hello there ! First, thanks for your guide and keep up the good work. I think that i'm not the only one to need your help 😅. I have a question though : in the ST rotation i dont understand why you dont spell queue an Arcane barrage each second arcane Blast to benefit from Neather Precision buff. If i'm not mistaken in your demo of St rotation you do 3 arcanes blast instead of 2 + clip barrage. Since blizzard reverted the nerf, you can clip a barrage like old style, benefit from the new talent Aether Vsion to have 4 arcanes charge garanted, a chance to launch an Orb and get extra splinter in the process. And actually maintain the haste buff. Maybe i'm not very clear or i made a mistake with my english. Just a french guy trying to learn.
Whenever I do a Missiles > Blast > Blast + Barrage, it is usually because I don't have a Clearcasting stack during the second Arcane Blast cast. Because of this, once I complete the cast I will already have 2 stacks of Aethervision and no Clearcasting stack, which fulfills condition 3.a.2 so I queue the Arcane Barrage. Hope this made sense, if you still have any questions just link me a timestamp and I can try to add some more context.
Thx for your answer. I understand your explanation on the conditions for barrage. 3.a.2 is fulfilled But 3.a.1 isnt ? When you Blast>Blast+Barrage, isnt the 3 spells = 2 uses of Neather precision anymore ? What i dont know, and maybe it's the source of my problem of understanding your choice is either : - the barrage queing on 2nd Blast doesnt benefit from Neather Precision. (So it makes sense to wait for 3.a.2) - the barrage spellqueu dont have time to benefit from the second stack of Aethervision. (So the whole condition 3.x.x)
@@lolcat5303 I prefer the SF ST rotation personally, and the SS AoE rotation... but there's no reason to go SF since SS is the same or better damage + has better defensives.
@@MrFuzzemz If you are in content where you need to squeeze every last .x% out in dps, I can understand but otherwise the difference isn't significant, so I would go with whichever I enjoyed more.
Hello Phosporos and thank you for your guide and help! I've been doing the rotation like using blast for Nether precision and instantly barraging after and fishing for more Nether precision. I seem like i have a decent ST dps but its lacking in pure aoe, which is Ofc less overall but more prio target+cleave. How much dps do you approx think im losing to the fact that im sometimes using Nether precision on blast to Stack aethervision instead of using barrage more often? Hope to get better at this, im a healer Main looking to Main arcane mage (again) 😄
I like your “barrage now” weakaura, but it is a little difficult to see. Can you modify your nether precision weakaura? Make it change from blue to red (or whatever color) when you should barrage and you have nether precision. Or, just pop up as red when you don’t have nether precision and you ought to barrage. Not sure how hard this is to do, but it would be awesome if you have time and it isn’t too difficult.
Hey Phos. Is there a way to get in touch with you? I started on Retail 3 days ago after a 14 year break. Your Video is very well explaint but i would love to talk with you as a main arcane mage since TBC. Thanks for the hard work on this video and take care buddy. Keep up the great work. Cheers
Thank you for the guide. Just one question though, shouldn't we use Arcane Orb before Arcane Surge as an opening for Surge Burn? Even if we don't need charges The 1st middle talent of Spellslinger gives 20% damages, 8sec after using Arcane Orb for EVERY arcane splinter. And Arcane Surge give 8 splinters. If not in ST, in my opinion, it should be done in AOE right?
phosphoros ty so muchfor these guide , igot everything and i did understand it but i need to understand 1 more thing please : sometimes u barrage when u have 1x aethervision when i should do that ? that part kinda confused me
With the barrage conditions removed (but still there for Sunfury), it seems like it's more streamlined than Sunfury, although in practice I've noticed that Glorious Incandescence will overlap with the other conditions anyway so it'll simplify the decision a bit... definitely much easier to keep track of Spellslinger's optimal rotation in AOE, though. Is there a reason btw that SF doesn't take Arcane Tempo into its barrage conditions (re the WoWhead guide for it), seeing as it is also a haste priority spec?
Nice guide yet again thx phos, I have a question about the spymasters web priority, I would like to know how do u manage it, for example, do u let it stack to some point, where do u activate it in the rotation etc
Generally you want to have 40 stacks ready for a Surge burn in execute (enemy less than 35% HP). Keep in mind it takes about 4 minutes to fully stack so try to plan accordingly.
I'm getting older, and not really interested in min/maxing and watching every if/then statement in my rotation for procs and such. I understand that I'll lose dps if I don't do this rotation perfectly. But, my question is this. Is there a simpler, more passive, easier rotation build? For example, if I sim my character at 1M dps with this rotation and spec, can I remove like 3 active spells to watch, and add in passive talents that won't get me to 1M dps, but perhaps with fewer buttons I pull 800k? A 20% reduction to simplify things and watch mechanics more seems like a fair trade off to me.
Question.. where do extra clearcasting procs fall in the priority? Based on your list and demo, it looked like you did not use them and cast arcane blast instead, so you only cast Missiles to generate Nether Precision when you don't have it? and never cast it when you have NP up already?
many many thanks to YOU for this guide.. i just have question regarding the usage of barrage.. WHEN to use it.. do i put an arcane blast with an barrage or cast it when the aure tells you? because sometimes i get intuition, then arcane speed, then 2 aethervision procs.. it seems that i just should spam it till all proccs and buffs are gone.. but then my dmg is rapidetely coming down o.O i'm bit confused... a short explanation would be much appreciated =)
perfect guide thank you! but i have a question why should we clip arcane missiles cast ? 2 more proc of arcane harmony and arcane debilitation is not worth it to full cast it ?
Thank you for the guide! I was wondering if its possible to take your wa and apply it to my own icons instead? The logic to determine when to light up icons, but for my modified version of luxthos mage ui.
So what do you do on Single Target in Mythic + (AOE Spec and environment) Spec? Like a boss in a dungeon? Do you still go for the ST rotation even though you are M+ specced?
Can I ask a stupid question? Does the mythic plus build just use the AOE rotation or can I also use your single target weak aura when appropriate? I guess I am asking, is the Mythic+ spec so different that your weak aura won't really work because its meant for mainly AOE?
No, you will still follow the ST rotation where appropriate using the M+ build, as M+ has ST fights, usually bosses. The M+ build sacrifices some ST firepower for more AOE, and it also has more utility spells which are useful in M+, but in ST scenarios you're following the same rotation and so the conditions for barrage that the weak auras outline remain relevant. It's the AOE rotation itself that has different conditions for when to barrage (ie 4 charges.) He provided some cheat sheets in the description of the vid of how the AOE priority works, as well as ST and funnel, but it's also on wowhead.
so last condition for barrage is if you have orb charge. if you're running the talent that gives you 2 orbs, there will eventually be a case where you barrage, orb, have 2 charges, and have another orb. Do you barrage at 2? or do you orb for 4 charges (even though it shows it as a lower priority) or do you just send the barrage down to 0 and then orb back to 2?
Thanks for these amazing guides Phos. I have a question with regard to step 3 in the filler priority would we ABarr under 4 charges? As I was practicing the rotation I realize sometimes I have Intuition/AVx2 but I'm at 0 Arcane Charges and no Orb so I just Blast until 4 charges then continue from there. Do you know what's optimal in this scenario
" I have Intuition/AVx2 but I'm at 0 Arcane Charges " you don't wanna do 4 blasts to get 4 charges when you have aw or int, just do a barrage and get 4 instantly in that scenario. blasitng there would take a long time and not do much dmg
In this scenario you Barrage under 4 charges as Intuition/AVx2 will put you back at 4 so while you do lose out on the extra Barrage damage from having less charges, it's worth because you're back at 4 charges and can immediately continue the rotation.
If you have the treacherous transmitter trinket (huge int buff on 1.5 min cd) is it better to wait to use your cds for it to be off cooldown (it’s offset because shifting power reduces evo/surge cd to below 1.5 min). If it is better to wait, would it not just be better to not use shifting power? Or is it better to keep normal cd times and use the trinket on cd even if it doesn’t align with your cds
What are the stat weights for spellslinger vs Sunfury? I see that vers might be simming higher than crit or mastery by just a little bit. Also I can't import the talents for sunfury from the old video because of the update I'm assuming.
@@Omgitssynd arcane isn't easy compared to frost. Frost you don't need to watch anything, just press buttons and hit the process when they pop up then or after for same dps. Arcane you have to watch 3 different scenarios before you press 1 button while having to do everything else.
I might of missed it somewhere. When he clips his arcane Barrage, that stops the cast therefor you miss out on the damage. So when he gets a barrage that hits more targets, don’t you miss out on a ton of damage?
I would like to support this question, as I am a beginner with Arcane. It would be great if someone could help us. It feels like Barrage is only for buffing purposes, with exception for the Aether Attunement version of it.
I think you meant to say Arcane Missiles, correct me if I'm wrong there. You are correct that you miss out on the damage when you stop the cast, that is why when we get a Missiles cast that hits more targets (due to having the Aether Attunement buff), you do NOT want to clip that cast of MIssiles. We only clip Arcane Missiles casts that are NOT buffed by Aether Attunement. The reason for this is that unmodified Arcane Missiles are very weak, so most of the damage we gain from casting them are from the Nether Precision stacks we generate. When we have the Aether Attunement buff however, the damage gain is worth letting the cast fully channel both in ST and in AoE. Hope that made sense.
Hi, really nice guide. I want to ask something. When i sim my character arcane splinter allways has the highest damage. However when i do the same rotation on a dummy arcane splinter comes out as 5th or 6th on damage. The sim does like 3.2m overall, i do like 3.1m on a dummy. overall dmg output doesnt change but the dmg distribution of the spells changes. ive tried this many times and couldnt make arcane splinter the top dmg spell. Do you have any idea why does this happen ?
Hey Friend. I think there’s a way to simplify the prio list even further on ST. The Subcatagory under 3.a aren’t needed. Hear me out. NP and CC, send it. NP and no CC send it. CC and no NP is covered under 2 on prio list. No NP and no CC send it. So 3.a can be simplified into if you have 2x aether or tier, send it.
It was meant for @PhosphorosWoW but in layman’s terms the Arcane Barrage condition for single target can be simplied into the Arcane Barrage condition for funnel after doing some discrete math on the single target Barrage condition.
"Shifting power when Major cooldowns expire" this line always left my question unanswered in every guide. Does that mean after Magi goes boom, or when Siphoned Storm buff from Evocation expires?
after arcane surge, maji and evocation buffs are all gone - you want to be doing damage during these cooldowns, so when the effects/procs from those spells expire, you shifting power to start the cooldown reduction. you don't want to be shifting power while evo's int buff or magi is up
@@aburcha well you can technically twist any ability to be "unnecessary", but it is helping with balance, becasue instead of CDs just being shorter, you now have to spend some time casting shifting power instead of just pumping big DPS 100% of the time, now you do an AoE spell that deals some dmg, but low dmg, but gived you CDs back faster. It's just the design :) It's a spell that I found clunky to begin with, but now it's a part of the rotation and it's nice to chill out a bit, hahaha. Can like gather my thoughts sometimes furing it
@@aburcha Mainly it allows flexibility for our burns. Depending on fight timings, sometimes you want to Shifting Power after the mini burn rather than before, or even sometimes skip Shifting Power altogether. It also works for our defensive abilities aswell, so you can do things like Prismatic Barrier > Shifting Power > Prismatic Barrier (very useful in intermission phase of Mythic Ky'veza).
Are we farming a cc proc with aethervison or only if we have one at the time? I feel like half the time we’re already in the middle of casting arcane blast when we get the proc from the previous blast while consuming aethervision
These are the changes from yesterday: - Mythic+ talent build had a talent swap. - Single target filler priority list changed. Mainly mana/enemy HP is no longer a factor in barrage conditions. Rotation demonstration was updated to reflect that. - New funnel rotation section added. Sunfury is still viable the two specs are very close but I have to recommend Spellslinger since it is the mathematically best performing atm.
For ST in Filler prio step 3.a, when you say "one of the following" do you mean one and only one of the following (in other words, a XOR condition)? More simply, do I go through step 3.a if 3.a.1 AND 3.a.2 are both true?
I think the option to consume Nether Precision with Arcane Barrage is a great addition to the spec. I'm also a fan of Aethervision and how it changes the flow of the rotation where sometimes you will Missiles > Blast > Blast > Missiles > Barrage rather than ONLY Missiles > Blast > Blast + Barrage. In DF S1, we also had a "nuclear launch sequence" for our burn rotation which was very prone to getting interrupted by mechanics and was overall frustrating when it didn't pay off. It seems like Arcane went from having complex burns and simple fillers to simple burns and complex fillers, and I think that shift was a step in the right direction given that the filler rotation has a big overlap with the burn rotation. Overall I think TWW Arcane is probably my favorite iteration of Arcane so far.
@@PhosphorosWoW I agree, it's nice to use Barrage as a new rotational button. Also I feel like both SS and SF's Barrage conditional cases can be boiled down to the same kind of reactionary play and it becomes intuitive with practice. It pretty much plays the same as double dipping, though it's a shame to be more reliant on WeakAuras for those conditions. The removal of Radiant Spark and Rune of Power (although a step back in theme) makes the spec actually playable in hard fights. Demo is unplayable right now because their burns are 17 GCDs that can't be interrupted or your damage gets slaughtered, lol.
Because there are plenty of better sources for that kind of thing, be it simming or logs. This stuff is too situational for a demo vid to be a good indication of it.
I often have this problem: When I have no netherprecision, no clear casting but have an arcane orb up, I will send the Barrage, leaving me with 0 charges. Then I will orb, which only brings me to 2 charges. I will have to double arcane blast to get back up to 4. Is this correct?
For the weak aura, could you make the buff tracking still work separately from the HP and Mana? I use another aura for those, but I would love to use the buffs from yours.
A couple people were asking for this so I separated it here: wago.io/LdudzMVsh And you can also use Porom's Barrage Helper found here: wago.io/AcHUF7O_G
*These are the changes from yesterday's upload:*
- Mythic+ talent build has a new talent swap. Rather than removing a point in time Time Loop, we remove a point in Eureka and put it into Charged Orb.
- Single target filler priority list changed. Mainly mana/enemy HP is no longer a factor in barrage conditions. Rotation demonstration was also updated to reflect that.
- New funnel rotation section added.
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C4DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYMMbzCmxMmFPAjZGGTzMmBAAAAAgBAABMzstssMzELAAAAAAAglZMMzMzMmhZmZMmxMzMGGD
*Mythic+ Import String*
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*Written guides:*
*Icy Veins by Dutchmagoz:* www.icy-veins.com/wow/arcane-mage-pve-dps-guide
*Wowhead by Porom:* www.wowhead.com/arcane-mage-guide
why is mana/hp no longer a factor
How do you get the barrage sound?
@@СветлозарИванов-ы9ь I'm also curious why it both isn't one for SS anymore, but remains one for SF (according to the Wowhead guide anyway.)
@PhosphorosWoW can you see 1 of my logs & tell me what i do wrong to my rotation ?
how to add that strings . Sorry but im new in that .
It is simplifiying the rotation ! Thank god I was worried about the 70% mana condition and 35% target health. Thank you for the guide
dude! thank you soo much for this guide! it was honestly the most helpful I've come across, the clear and concise explanations as to what to use and when but also why we're using it and not only linking your addon setup but explaining how it works! I have always wanted to play arcane but found a lot of the guilds and discord groups very elitist and snobby, it was really refreshing to come across a helpful guide that doesn't belittle me for needing a long explanation of arcane or using an addon to help out a bit lol. thank you!!
This is best fkin guide i seen on any class rotation ever in 10 years. Best part is highlighted parts of rotation while actually doing it.
The goat of WoW guides continues. Thank you! And please consider making a Fire Mage guide ❤️
Finalllyyy!! the person that we were waiting for to put a guide for us lol thank you for the guide! hope you put more content bro
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One of the best guides I've seen. Very clear and well presented. Hopefully you can do a frost one if you're not exclusively arcane
manather has his up. hes the frost guy
Thank you friend, you don't know how much these helps. After changing rotataion again and again this expansion and we've only started has been pretty daunting, so again thank you.
Seriously THE GOAT OF GUIDES ! Great JOB mate
Not a huge arcane fan but with fire in the dirt, you my friend are my hero haha. Really neat barrage assist weakaura as well! Thank you so much for this video!!
Thank you, man.
I really needed a tutorial that explained the whys as well as the whats.
Goated Guide. This is the First guide, i dont feel like needing a PHD to play Arcane.
"gO pLaY ClAsSiC" nobody wants overly conplex gameplays.
AND THE LEGEND CONTINUES.
All your guides are so clearly explained, thank you bro.
Had to subscribe! Thank you very much for this guide. I'm new to WoW and videos like this make it so much easier to understand and get into.
Please bro, I beg of you, make a fire mage guide, I cannot stress this enough, you are by far the best at explaining rotations and priorities and I believe that if you make a fire mage guide I will be able to understand it
fire mage is kindergarden compared to this man... and way more forgiving.
@ fr? I don’t really understand fire mage, I deal a lot more dps as arcane for some reason
@@LgamerYTproplayer give it a go, just generate hotstreaks lol. Jokes aside I promise it's simple. it has min maxing but the general idea is pretty basic. and well, you probably do more damage as arcane because it's tuned stronger right now. 😜
@@cy2326 lol if you think that fire is more forgiving than arcane u should play pally ^^
Goated guides as always. The side by side for the rotation is so helpful
Don't know if you saw my comment yesterday but I suspected that you didn't need to worry about mana or enemy health. Thanks for updating the guide as all the other info is really useful :) Thanks!
I swear you get about a thousand more procs during aoe than I do
Another banger video from Phosphoros. Appreciate the content friend
Another great guide LETS GOOO! If I could request one thing though, could you show your damage breakdown at the end of your rotation demos? Although it may be kind of obvious what it will look like, I just like to use it to gauge damage % weights and I find it works as a good comparison metric for me.
not the remixed runescape music hahaha what a gamer
Top tier guide as always ! Big thanks on behalf of all the mages !
Btw. is there by any chance a way to extract only the upper part of Your Barrage helper WA, and not the HP bar itself ?). Would be nice to have the green icons glowing sorted next to each other in a small pack on my screen.
Just uploaded a version you can check out here: wago.io/LdudzMVsh
And you can also check out Porom's Barrage Helper here: wago.io/AcHUF7O_G
would love that too
oh my, Phos, finally you back. thanks for the video. goated
I love this guide, better than preheat
Great Guidemaker! Really thank you mate! It is so fun to play but so hard to understand :D
thanks for putting all the effort in the video. I directly imported your resource aura without changing anything. There are no icons at all above the health bar, nothing to suggest I need to barrage. Does this needs to be used alongside something else?
Big appreciation for what you're doing - thanks!!
Thank you for the guide !
Amazing guide, thank you
This video is great content. I already had most of the information (mage since WOTLK) but this is a great informational for new players for sure.
The only thing I'd suggest is to make the screen evenly split during the rotational demo so its easier to follow on the eyes. The smaller portion being gameplay kinda feels weird.
Keep up the great content, and thank you!
10/10 thumbnail
also good video
xoxo
thanks, great video!
Please make frost guide build video there is no high quality content. I feel forced to swich to it to push higher keys and u are the best ❤
thanks for putting all the effort in the video. I directly imported your resource aura without changing anything. There are no icons at all above the health bar, nothing to suggest I need to barrage. Does this needs to be used alongside something else? Could you please explain further how to get this to work?
Very nice Guide! Is there a way to get a sound alert when any of the conditions go green?
Thanks for the guide!
Could you please explain why do we use arcane exposion on 0 charges and then use Arcane Blast in AOE rotation? I guess we could just spam one of them until we get back 4 charges - to simplify the rotation without a significant loss in DPS. What do you think?
Thank you legend!
i apologize if i just missed it or its been asked. But at how many targets do you just start sending barrage at 4 charges? i believe I've seen 2-3 is AOE for SS. And is that the case in raid as well? thank you for the guide!
Also with your barrage helper. when its glowing green with just the barrage icon why is that saying to send? if i use it then i dump all my charges. should i then send an orb to help recoup them in ST?
Thank you very much for this guide, are the specs still actual or?
The legend has legended
Hello there ! First, thanks for your guide and keep up the good work. I think that i'm not the only one to need your help 😅.
I have a question though : in the ST rotation i dont understand why you dont spell queue an Arcane barrage each second arcane Blast to benefit from Neather Precision buff. If i'm not mistaken in your demo of St rotation you do 3 arcanes blast instead of 2 + clip barrage.
Since blizzard reverted the nerf, you can clip a barrage like old style, benefit from the new talent Aether Vsion to have 4 arcanes charge garanted, a chance to launch an Orb and get extra splinter in the process. And actually maintain the haste buff.
Maybe i'm not very clear or i made a mistake with my english. Just a french guy trying to learn.
Whenever I do a Missiles > Blast > Blast + Barrage, it is usually because I don't have a Clearcasting stack during the second Arcane Blast cast. Because of this, once I complete the cast I will already have 2 stacks of Aethervision and no Clearcasting stack, which fulfills condition 3.a.2 so I queue the Arcane Barrage. Hope this made sense, if you still have any questions just link me a timestamp and I can try to add some more context.
Thx for your answer.
I understand your explanation on the conditions for barrage.
3.a.2 is fulfilled
But 3.a.1 isnt ? When you Blast>Blast+Barrage, isnt the 3 spells = 2 uses of Neather precision anymore ?
What i dont know, and maybe it's the source of my problem of understanding your choice is either :
- the barrage queing on 2nd Blast doesnt benefit from Neather Precision. (So it makes sense to wait for 3.a.2)
- the barrage spellqueu dont have time to benefit from the second stack of Aethervision. (So the whole condition 3.x.x)
@@PhosphorosWoW help me with the UI pls
Also, I'd kill to have you do a frost mage guide :D
thats torturing the man, frost sucks
@@hyperrelle haha you're not wrong, but it is pumping at the moment. Real talk - fire just needs a bit of love to come up a few spots then we good
Very well constructed guide thank you 🙏🏻
So in aoe other than main burn and miniburn we don’t use blast? So we spend NP on 4 charges barrages?
Well since Frost seems to be the wave instead of arcane can we get a guide since yours tend to be the best?
Thanks for the update! Hope Blizz doesn't do any significant changes xD
Agree, both arcane specialisations are in a good place rotationally atm. SF is a bit convoluted for AOE but it's still fun IMO.
@@lolcat5303 I prefer the SF ST rotation personally, and the SS AoE rotation... but there's no reason to go SF since SS is the same or better damage + has better defensives.
@@MrFuzzemz If you are in content where you need to squeeze every last .x% out in dps, I can understand but otherwise the difference isn't significant, so I would go with whichever I enjoyed more.
Is there any chance u will start uploading m+ runs again we learned so much from it
thanks for the guide update. any chance of fire and frost guides?
Hello Phosporos and thank you for your guide and help!
I've been doing the rotation like using blast for Nether precision and instantly barraging after and fishing for more Nether precision. I seem like i have a decent ST dps but its lacking in pure aoe, which is Ofc less overall but more prio target+cleave.
How much dps do you approx think im losing to the fact that im sometimes using Nether precision on blast to Stack aethervision instead of using barrage more often?
Hope to get better at this, im a healer Main looking to Main arcane mage (again) 😄
I like your “barrage now” weakaura, but it is a little difficult to see. Can you modify your nether precision weakaura? Make it change from blue to red (or whatever color) when you should barrage and you have nether precision. Or, just pop up as red when you don’t have nether precision and you ought to barrage. Not sure how hard this is to do, but it would be awesome if you have time and it isn’t too difficult.
Hey Phos. Is there a way to get in touch with you? I started on Retail 3 days ago after a 14 year break. Your Video is very well explaint but i would love to talk with you as a main arcane mage since TBC. Thanks for the hard work on this video and take care buddy. Keep up the great work. Cheers
I know this might be asking too much, but maybe if you can just make a short video with a demo of the funnel rotation
I kind of wish NP was also tracked on that wa just so I can track it in the same grouping.
Thank you for the guide.
Just one question though, shouldn't we use Arcane Orb before Arcane Surge as an opening for Surge Burn? Even if we don't need charges
The 1st middle talent of Spellslinger gives 20% damages, 8sec after using Arcane Orb for EVERY arcane splinter. And Arcane Surge give 8 splinters.
If not in ST, in my opinion, it should be done in AOE right?
phosphoros ty so muchfor these guide , igot everything and i did understand it but i need to understand 1 more thing please :
sometimes u barrage when u have 1x aethervision when i should do that ? that part kinda confused me
Great vid, it explains a lot!
May i ask what addon/plater/elvui you use for the dmg numbers to float like that?
It's an addon called NameplateSCT
@@PhosphorosWoW tyvm !
With the barrage conditions removed (but still there for Sunfury), it seems like it's more streamlined than Sunfury, although in practice I've noticed that Glorious Incandescence will overlap with the other conditions anyway so it'll simplify the decision a bit... definitely much easier to keep track of Spellslinger's optimal rotation in AOE, though.
Is there a reason btw that SF doesn't take Arcane Tempo into its barrage conditions (re the WoWhead guide for it), seeing as it is also a haste priority spec?
Nice guide yet again thx phos, I have a question about the spymasters web priority, I would like to know how do u manage it, for example, do u let it stack to some point, where do u activate it in the rotation etc
Generally you want to have 40 stacks ready for a Surge burn in execute (enemy less than 35% HP). Keep in mind it takes about 4 minutes to fully stack so try to plan accordingly.
I'm getting older, and not really interested in min/maxing and watching every if/then statement in my rotation for procs and such. I understand that I'll lose dps if I don't do this rotation perfectly. But, my question is this. Is there a simpler, more passive, easier rotation build? For example, if I sim my character at 1M dps with this rotation and spec, can I remove like 3 active spells to watch, and add in passive talents that won't get me to 1M dps, but perhaps with fewer buttons I pull 800k? A 20% reduction to simplify things and watch mechanics more seems like a fair trade off to me.
Question.. where do extra clearcasting procs fall in the priority? Based on your list and demo, it looked like you did not use them and cast arcane blast instead, so you only cast Missiles to generate Nether Precision when you don't have it? and never cast it when you have NP up already?
@PhosporosWoW wich addon or weak auras is this one that track your casted spells?
many many thanks to YOU for this guide.. i just have question regarding the usage of barrage.. WHEN to use it.. do i put an arcane blast with an barrage or cast it when the aure tells you? because sometimes i get intuition, then arcane speed, then 2 aethervision procs.. it seems that i just should spam it till all proccs and buffs are gone.. but then my dmg is rapidetely coming down o.O
i'm bit confused... a short explanation would be much appreciated =)
Have to start playing old school runescape again after that ST demo tune
perfect guide thank you! but i have a question why should we clip arcane missiles cast ? 2 more proc of arcane harmony and arcane debilitation is not worth it to full cast it ?
Thank you for the guide! I was wondering if its possible to take your wa and apply it to my own icons instead? The logic to determine when to light up icons, but for my modified version of luxthos mage ui.
So what do you do on Single Target in Mythic + (AOE Spec and environment) Spec? Like a boss in a dungeon?
Do you still go for the ST rotation even though you are M+ specced?
Can I ask a stupid question? Does the mythic plus build just use the AOE rotation or can I also use your single target weak aura when appropriate? I guess I am asking, is the Mythic+ spec so different that your weak aura won't really work because its meant for mainly AOE?
No, you will still follow the ST rotation where appropriate using the M+ build, as M+ has ST fights, usually bosses. The M+ build sacrifices some ST firepower for more AOE, and it also has more utility spells which are useful in M+, but in ST scenarios you're following the same rotation and so the conditions for barrage that the weak auras outline remain relevant. It's the AOE rotation itself that has different conditions for when to barrage (ie 4 charges.) He provided some cheat sheets in the description of the vid of how the AOE priority works, as well as ST and funnel, but it's also on wowhead.
For Arcane missiles, do you only cast once you used up the nether precision stacks?
so last condition for barrage is if you have orb charge. if you're running the talent that gives you 2 orbs, there will eventually be a case where you barrage, orb, have 2 charges, and have another orb. Do you barrage at 2? or do you orb for 4 charges (even though it shows it as a lower priority) or do you just send the barrage down to 0 and then orb back to 2?
assuming orb to 4 and then blast to get clearcast and keep going instead of being at 2 charges and trying to pump, but we'll see if prosp answers
You would Orb again for 4 charges
Thanks for these amazing guides Phos. I have a question with regard to step 3 in the filler priority would we ABarr under 4 charges? As I was practicing the rotation I realize sometimes I have Intuition/AVx2 but I'm at 0 Arcane Charges and no Orb so I just Blast until 4 charges then continue from there. Do you know what's optimal in this scenario
" I have Intuition/AVx2 but I'm at 0 Arcane Charges "
you don't wanna do 4 blasts to get 4 charges when you have aw or int, just do a barrage and get 4 instantly in that scenario. blasitng there would take a long time and not do much dmg
In this scenario you Barrage under 4 charges as Intuition/AVx2 will put you back at 4 so while you do lose out on the extra Barrage damage from having less charges, it's worth because you're back at 4 charges and can immediately continue the rotation.
If you have the treacherous transmitter trinket (huge int buff on 1.5 min cd) is it better to wait to use your cds for it to be off cooldown (it’s offset because shifting power reduces evo/surge cd to below 1.5 min). If it is better to wait, would it not just be better to not use shifting power? Or is it better to keep normal cd times and use the trinket on cd even if it doesn’t align with your cds
What are the stat weights for spellslinger vs Sunfury? I see that vers might be simming higher than crit or mastery by just a little bit. Also I can't import the talents for sunfury from the old video because of the update I'm assuming.
Hi. Im sorry i have to ask this, but any chance you will ever make a frost mage guide? Love your approach
Frost mage is too easy
@@Benedict00_ItchyManko arcane is easier now ;)
@@LegitAnouk its not easier than before 11.0.5
@@Benedict00_ItchyManko arcane is easy too and yet here we are
@@Omgitssynd arcane isn't easy compared to frost.
Frost you don't need to watch anything, just press buttons and hit the process when they pop up then or after for same dps.
Arcane you have to watch 3 different scenarios before you press 1 button while having to do everything else.
Can you make a WA for the other rotations?
thank you for the WA but even with that i feel like i'm dealing way less dmg than what i should ...
I might of missed it somewhere. When he clips his arcane Barrage, that stops the cast therefor you miss out on the damage. So when he gets a barrage that hits more targets, don’t you miss out on a ton of damage?
I would like to support this question, as I am a beginner with Arcane. It would be great if someone could help us. It feels like Barrage is only for buffing purposes, with exception for the Aether Attunement version of it.
I think you meant to say Arcane Missiles, correct me if I'm wrong there.
You are correct that you miss out on the damage when you stop the cast, that is why when we get a Missiles cast that hits more targets (due to having the Aether Attunement buff), you do NOT want to clip that cast of MIssiles. We only clip Arcane Missiles casts that are NOT buffed by Aether Attunement. The reason for this is that unmodified Arcane Missiles are very weak, so most of the damage we gain from casting them are from the Nether Precision stacks we generate. When we have the Aether Attunement buff however, the damage gain is worth letting the cast fully channel both in ST and in AoE.
Hope that made sense.
@@PhosphorosWoW Indeed, I meant Missiles, sorry. 😀 Thank you for the clarification.
what do you use for a casting bar?
when do you use supernova or you dont use it at al?
What about tracking the Barrage Orb proc? How do you make surr u use it?
Is the priortiy/rotation up top a WA or Addon?
Could you tell pls how do you compare a math of different rotations?
How can I get the Arcane Blast timer like how you have it at 6:20? I'm still new so I don't know much.
Hi, really nice guide. I want to ask something. When i sim my character arcane splinter allways has the highest damage. However when i do the same rotation on a dummy arcane splinter comes out as 5th or 6th on damage. The sim does like 3.2m overall, i do like 3.1m on a dummy. overall dmg output doesnt change but the dmg distribution of the spells changes. ive tried this many times and couldnt make arcane splinter the top dmg spell. Do you have any idea why does this happen ?
Hey Friend. I think there’s a way to simplify the prio list even further on ST. The Subcatagory under 3.a aren’t needed. Hear me out. NP and CC, send it. NP and no CC send it. CC and no NP is covered under 2 on prio list. No NP and no CC send it. So 3.a can be simplified into if you have 2x aether or tier, send it.
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It was meant for @PhosphorosWoW but in layman’s terms the Arcane Barrage condition for single target can be simplied into the Arcane Barrage condition for funnel after doing some discrete math on the single target Barrage condition.
"Shifting power when Major cooldowns expire" this line always left my question unanswered in every guide. Does that mean after Magi goes boom, or when Siphoned Storm buff from Evocation expires?
after arcane surge, maji and evocation buffs are all gone - you want to be doing damage during these cooldowns, so when the effects/procs from those spells expire, you shifting power to start the cooldown reduction. you don't want to be shifting power while evo's int buff or magi is up
I question why Shifting Power even exists. Our CDs should be 12s less. Why do we need to press 1 more button
@@aburcha well you can technically twist any ability to be "unnecessary", but it is helping with balance, becasue instead of CDs just being shorter, you now have to spend some time casting shifting power instead of just pumping big DPS 100% of the time, now you do an AoE spell that deals some dmg, but low dmg, but gived you CDs back faster. It's just the design :) It's a spell that I found clunky to begin with, but now it's a part of the rotation and it's nice to chill out a bit, hahaha. Can like gather my thoughts sometimes furing it
@@aburcha Mainly it allows flexibility for our burns. Depending on fight timings, sometimes you want to Shifting Power after the mini burn rather than before, or even sometimes skip Shifting Power altogether. It also works for our defensive abilities aswell, so you can do things like Prismatic Barrier > Shifting Power > Prismatic Barrier (very useful in intermission phase of Mythic Ky'veza).
Are we farming a cc proc with aethervison or only if we have one at the time? I feel like half the time we’re already in the middle of casting arcane blast when we get the proc from the previous blast while consuming aethervision
What is different from your previous video yesterday?
And also, do you think Sunfury is garbage now or still viable?
APl changes were implemented so slight things needed to be adjusted
These are the changes from yesterday:
- Mythic+ talent build had a talent swap.
- Single target filler priority list changed. Mainly mana/enemy HP is no longer a factor in barrage conditions. Rotation demonstration was updated to reflect that.
- New funnel rotation section added.
Sunfury is still viable the two specs are very close but I have to recommend Spellslinger since it is the mathematically best performing atm.
@@PhosphorosWoW Did weak aura changed ?
@@PhosphorosWoWcan you add this as a pinned comment please? I’ll watch the whole video for you, but I was just looking for what you changed
Sunfury is still about 1-2% behind spellslinger so it’s not bad. But it falls farther behind in aoe
For ST in Filler prio step 3.a, when you say "one of the following" do you mean one and only one of the following (in other words, a XOR condition)? More simply, do I go through step 3.a if 3.a.1 AND 3.a.2 are both true?
Yes as long as either one of the two (or both) are true then you are free to Barrage as long as 3.a is fulfilled.
on mythic+ with mythic+ talents, which talents I use on boss? single or aoe or funel?
What do you do with 0 arcane charges. 2 nether precisions and clear casting available? No orb or magi
I'm terrible with WAs, so sorry if this is a dumb question. Do you have the barrage WA by itself without the extra resource display stuff?
Here's a version with only the Barrage conditions: wago.io/LdudzMVsh
You can also try out this version by Porom: wago.io/AcHUF7O_G
@@PhosphorosWoW thank you so much
I still do more dips as SF frost lol I can’t figure out arcane
heyo , please what is the addon/weak aura for cast bar ? and also for that upper thingy that shows your rotation on screen ? :) ty
The cast bar is an addon called Quartz.
The rotation display is a weakaura, here's the link:
Cast Timeline by Dorovon: wago.io/cWI3bhMz2
What is your opinion on this iteration of Arcane compared to say, DF S1?
I think the option to consume Nether Precision with Arcane Barrage is a great addition to the spec. I'm also a fan of Aethervision and how it changes the flow of the rotation where sometimes you will Missiles > Blast > Blast > Missiles > Barrage rather than ONLY Missiles > Blast > Blast + Barrage. In DF S1, we also had a "nuclear launch sequence" for our burn rotation which was very prone to getting interrupted by mechanics and was overall frustrating when it didn't pay off.
It seems like Arcane went from having complex burns and simple fillers to simple burns and complex fillers, and I think that shift was a step in the right direction given that the filler rotation has a big overlap with the burn rotation. Overall I think TWW Arcane is probably my favorite iteration of Arcane so far.
@@PhosphorosWoW I agree, it's nice to use Barrage as a new rotational button. Also I feel like both SS and SF's Barrage conditional cases can be boiled down to the same kind of reactionary play and it becomes intuitive with practice. It pretty much plays the same as double dipping, though it's a shame to be more reliant on WeakAuras for those conditions.
The removal of Radiant Spark and Rune of Power (although a step back in theme) makes the spec actually playable in hard fights. Demo is unplayable right now because their burns are 17 GCDs that can't be interrupted or your damage gets slaughtered, lol.
Why not show the damage meter during the demos? Just to see how it compares to other specs and talents.
Because there are plenty of better sources for that kind of thing, be it simming or logs. This stuff is too situational for a demo vid to be a good indication of it.
whats the addon that shows your cast times scrolling across the top? didnt see it in your addon video
Cast Timeline by Dorovon: wago.io/cWI3bhMz2
anyone?
is there a reason to not macro TotMagi to arcane surge and apply it first for more damage?
How is the macro for " Click cast arcane blast" ?
I often have this problem:
When I have no netherprecision, no clear casting but have an arcane orb up, I will send the Barrage, leaving me with 0 charges. Then I will orb, which only brings me to 2 charges. I will have to double arcane blast to get back up to 4. Is this correct?
Correct
@@PhosphorosWoW so it will feel bad trying to get the last 2 charges? That sucks haha
I think I often overspend and end up having 0 charges
For the weak aura, could you make the buff tracking still work separately from the HP and Mana? I use another aura for those, but I would love to use the buffs from yours.
you can grab prom's weakaura for arcane barrage helper, its just the icons
A couple people were asking for this so I separated it here: wago.io/LdudzMVsh
And you can also use Porom's Barrage Helper found here: wago.io/AcHUF7O_G