Battle Bond Greninja because Ash-Greninja is my favorite Pokémon and was so cool. I was so excited when I found out that it would be coming to S/V. I’ve never used it before. Later when I found out that they changed how Battle Bond works, I was massively disappointed.
Not that upset about it because it didn't affect me, but Zoroark's "nerf" is easily the most criminal. Zacian is easily the most well deserved nerf lol
From the side of VGC Thunderus Incarnate was the most nerfed mon in the game. Thunderus was responsible for so many mechanic changes 1) Thunder wave got its accuracy nerfed to 90% 2) Electric types can no longer be paralyzed 3) Swagger got its accuracy nerfed to 85% 4) The chance of hitting in confusion was lowered 5) Dark type mons are immune to status moves from prankster mons
its actually so horrible für mono poison, i have to run galar weezing just for some ground momentum and that thing cant even hit ground types for very effective dmg with anything
The souldew nerf was ironically a buff for them in VGC. Prior to the nerf this overpowered item was never allowed but with it’s nerf they gained a new option.
Something I'm surprised you didn't mention was the removal of Hidden Power. You know, that move that gives practically any Pokemon whatever type coverage you want. Jolteon's already shallow movepool got so shallow that any variations are just a puddle. And it also meant that some Pokemon lost their best (or in some cases) ONLY access to coverage outside of their own types...
@@franciscofernandezmedrano9613 you could see it like that, but Hidden Power was removed in gen 8 while Tera Blast is introduced in gen 9, so at least in gen 8 it was a nerve
Metagross was only mentioned in the explosion nerf segment but it definetly had some other nerfs in Gen 6 that I feel need to be mentioned. Meteor Mash's damage went from 100 to 90 which is quite the loss of power. But the more notable nerf for Metagross was steel types no longer resisting ghost and dark. With all the ghost moves and knock off spam flying around in modern gens, its Psychic typing went from complimenting its steel typing into becoming a huge detriment for it.
@@Logans_Login 85% accuracy literally makes it too unreliable to use in an actual competitive set. I'd take 90BP 90%acc over 100BP 85%acc ALL the time
Tbf they nerfed it indirectly, by having a lot of abilities negate Intimidate, Inner Focus specially, since it also prevents Flinching. We got Clear Amulet as an item to prevent stat reduction and finally Covert Cloak, to block secodary effects. He's still good tho. Very very good.
Another very notably nerfed Pokemon is Toxapex going from Gen 8 -> 9. In the transition, it lost access to both Scald and Knock Off, aka the two moves the mon would spam all the time to make progress. Losing these two moves, alongside the Recover PP going from 16 -> 8, turned the mon from one of the best, most despised OU mons of all time, to simply a solid mon in UU. What makes these nerfs hurt even more is that the DLC would later bring Scald and Knock Off back as TMs, giving the moves back to mons that previously lost them (Slowbro got Scald back, Weavile got Knock Off back, etc.). Not Toxapex though, as the mon is excluded from getting these two moves back, which definitely indicates that losing these two moves is a targeted nerf towards the mon. A bit unfortunate to see it get nerfed this hard, but I don't think anyone misses Pex at full power, so it well warranted imo.
Does it make sense to have one? How often do you see sandstorms on the weather news? I get sandstorm is a weather condition but I don’t know if it makes thematic sense. If it does then they have no reason not to do it.
@THGMR-ox7sd Weather Ball, which was originally Castform's signature move, changes into Rock-type in a sandstorm. Castform also has equal Attack and Sp. Atk, despite all of its weather forms being special types in Gen 3. If they were going to go through with only three weather forms from the get-go, then might as well give it 50 base Attack and 90 base Sp. Atk (no one is using unboosted, 50 bp Weather Ball with Normal form Castform).
And the reason it and greninja got nerfed like that is because protean/libero would clash with the terastallization gimmick (with meowscarada not even being able to take advantage of it)
I kinda of think it’s a good thing that Libero got nerfed but could work in its old form but maybe make a gimmick ability for a certain Pokémon line limiting its power to that Pokémon and it’s move pool
Although not an official duo Cresselia got its base stats nerfed to have a bit of 580 while Darkrai kept its 600 bst. I just thought it was interesting how the duo got nerfed but in completely different ways.
Alr glare is just outright wrong. Disable isnt too good on gengar, not too bad either but its so frail,same for pain split and the other ones where not new
A few that I feel like deserve a mention, even if they're not as nerfed as the ones mentioned here: Victreebel: 1 > 2 For the uninitiated, partial trapping moves (Wrap, Bind, Fire Spin, and Clamp) worked differently in Generation 1. In Generation 1, the Pokemon affected by Wrap could still switch out, but they could not move. Victreebel had the unique combination of a Sleep move, Wrap, and a guaranteed crit Razor Leaf (crit rate based on base speed + elevated crit rate of Razor Leaf) to make it a niche pick in RBY competitive, but losing Wrap cheese AND the guaranteed Razor crits really hurt in the transition to GSC. (Cloyster also lost this when Clamp got reworked, but Cloyster is a top 3 Pokemon in GSC competitive, so I don't think it's missing it that much.) Dragonite: 2 > 3 Losing ExtremeSpeed. Do I need to say more? Sceptile: 3 > 4 Admittedly, this is a personal sore spot for me. I don't care if Sceptile technically ended up better in competitive because of the physical-special split (its special movepool is more powerful than its physical movepool); making all of its fun moves it learns in single-player like Dragon Claw, Thunder Punch, or LEAF BLADE physical is painful. Weavile: 8 > 9 (pre DLC) Weavile lost Triple Axel and Knock Off before the DLC released for Scarlet and Violet. Those were its two best attacking moves, and Weavile was stuck using stuff like Icicle Crash or Night Slash before it regained them. It also didn't help that Chien-Pao, which was just better Weavile, was in the game. It eventually got these moves back (and Chien-Pao is banned in OU), so Weavile is actually doing pretty solid now, but man it was rough for that first year or so. Edit: lmao I forgot Fire Spin existed, RBY OU player moment.
Yeah, poor Sceptile got screwed. Focus Blast sucks, Dragon Pulse and Leaf Storm got nerfed in Gen 6 and Hidden Power and Mega Evolution got axed in Gen 8. Sadly, if I'll ever use a Sceptile again, it must be in Emerald if Nintendo ever decides to release old Gens on their systems again.
@@robertlupa8273 As of me writing this, on Smogon's SV OU Viability Rankings it's in A rank with Pokemon like Deoxys-Speed, Garganacl, and Gouging Fire, so yeah, it's very good! It's not seeing the same heights as it did in Gen 8 (mostly because in Ubers you're just using Chien-Pao instead, so Weavile's days of terrorizing Ubers in Gen 8 were made obsolete) but it's usable!
IIRC, extremespeed didn’t get +2 priority until gen 4, which is also when Dragonite got ES back (in HGSS at least). Since ES wasn’t that impressive of an attack, and Dragonite really wanted to use other options, it wasn’t a huge deal
I hate it when developers take the nerfs too far... It happens EVERY TIME, not just in Pokemon. You're really good _one time,_ and the devs nerf you so badly to make sure you're never on top again.
@@gabrielevalentini4438 That's uncalled for. Saying developers are bad at everything just because they nerf something a little too much is just disrespectful.
nah you just remember it more when something is nerfed to death. If it's just nerfed a little you don't even remember the nerf and just think "wtf why have they barely done anything about this"
Maybe in a quantity sense, but Zam has also gotten many tools over the years to play with. The reduced recover PP is not even affecting Zam, because it doesn't use it since Gen 1 or maybe 2 anymore. Encore in Gen 3, Special Coverage in Gen 4 through Focus Blast and Grass Knot, Magic Guard and Psyshock in 5, and it's Mega is insane in 6 and 7. Exeggcutor and Tauros were hit way harder, these two are are borderline unusable
@@SuperSajayin2Gohani agree. I think Exeggutor is the biggest nerf. As for Tauros i think the nerfing of blizzard and its own spc atk was unforgiveable
Yes Banette lost physical Shadow Ball, but it finally has Poltergeist now, so who's laughing?! Still other Ghost types because for some reason Banette doesn't get Play Rough.
Obviously focus blast has its issues but giving Gengar and Alakazam fighting coverage is still an upside to the physical/special split for them. They'd prefer something like Aura Sphere but fighting complements psychic much better than the elemental punches. I also would like to point out that the physical/special split also did affect Houndoom who was the only special attacking Dark type with Pursuit
A often Overlooked nerf in Gen 1 was 100% Crit Persian with Slash. Chansey got a big offensive nerf from the Special split. Her 105 Sp in Gen 1 allowed Chansey to dish out some Damage with Tbolt and Ice Beam. gen 2 nerfed it to 35 locking Chansey into her Gimmiks of Toxic and Seismic Toss The Special Physical Split wasnt a Nerf for Gengar. It lost The Elemental Punches sure but it gained a 2 Powerful Stabmove that finally benefited from Gengars Huge SpA Stat. Shadow Ball and Sludge Bomb
Some other Pokémon I think are worth mentioning: Reshiram: Dragon/Fire is no longer an unresisted type combination starting in Gen 6 (remember that Flash Fire Heatran doesn’t count thanks to Turboblaze), and White Kyurem entirely outclasses it. Plus, Drought support from Groudon was effectively removed. Not like this Pokémon was ever a top-tier mascot Legendary anyways, but still. Zapdos: While not nearly as nerfed as Articuno was, this thing was an absolute menace in Gen 2, teaming up with fellow Legendary Electric Raikou to warp the meta around themselves and their Hidden Power coverage options. Gen 3 slashed maxed out EVs in all stats and nerfed the RestTalk set, all while Rock-Type STAB became more common with Tyranitar and Aerodactyl’s buffs and Zapdos’s best frenemy Raikou fell out of OU entirely eventually. Oh, and before you say that it got Baton Pass from Gale of Darkness, that move has been suspect tested and banned in so many different ways over the years that it’s almost a complete non-factor. Mimikyu: In Gen 7, this little guy would be used especially well in Doubles thanks to Disguise helping enable the use of support moves like Trick Room. Disguise would no longer operate like a built-in Focus Sash starting in Gen 8, and it also lost its Z-Move access along with everything else. Perhaps more importantly, this thing’s best Doubles teammate by far, Gluttony Snorlax, suffered a devastating nerf with the removal of Return and the nerfed “Pinch Berries”. Every Steel/Psychic Pokémon: This specific typing used to have a unique quality- save for one resistance becoming a neutrality, you (the Pokémon) were basically a Psychic-Type without any of the drawbacks of being a Psychic-Type, not unlike what Mega Rayquaza’s Delta Stream does for Flying-Types. Come Gen 6, though, Steel lost its resistances to Ghost and Dark, and Metagross and company have never been the same, even with that Pokémon’s Mega form added in ORAS. Incidentally, this nerf might also have something to do with Metagross’s single player performance in Black & White 2, a game where you can catch this evolution line with a Master Ball before the postgame and has Dark and Ghost-Type Elite Four battles paired with other Types Metagross has winning matchups against. Ninetales: In almost every generation this thing has gotten some kind of nerf, from a nerfed Special Attack stat to Tyranitar’s Sand Stream to Stealth Rock and nerfed base powers of special moves. Even the one significant buff it ever got, that being Drought, was nerfed in Gen 6 and made irrelevant by Torkoal in Gen 7. This thing might be up there with Exeggutor and Thundurus as one of the most nerfed Pokémon of all time across its entire lifespan.
Yeah, Thundurus alone caused like, half a dozen nerfs. Paralysis got nerfed twice by both making electric types immune to it and making the speed drop go from 75% to 50%. Thunder Wave got its accuracy dropped to 90%. Swagger got nerfed twice by both having its accuracy dropped and confusion having the chance to hit itself dropped from 50% to 33%. Dark types are immune to Prankster moves.
12:30 Wasn't it simply that Rillaboom relied on move tutors and certain TMs to get those attacks? Hence, they weren't taken away from it so much as not available until the moves returned as part of the expanded list of TMs.
I'd have to say that Snorlax was the most nerfed in the gen 2 to 3 transition not only because of the Rest + Talk mechanic change, but also because of the limitation on EVs that started on Ruby/Sapphire. Before every Pokemon could have all its stats maxed, but the 510 limit meant that every Pokemon was effectively a lot less bulkier/tankier because you could no longer have max HP, Def and Spdef and Snorlax was struck harder with this because its status as the undisputed best Pokemon in Gold/Silver/Crystal was heavily tied into its hit taking capabilities and the self-heal of Rest Talk. And that's not even factoring in the fact that now Fighting type attacks got incredible new additions and were more distributed.
Tauros' base Special Attack turned to 40 from Gen 2 onwards, not 45. Perhaps some other nerfs to be found are mostly found in the form of power creep, but neutral coverage is generally more helpful in the long run than is super effective coverage, so it mightn't be too much of a nerf in the physical/special split
Gengar was buffed in gen 4. You didn’t use STAB in previous Gens because shadow ball was physical. It had shadow ball, psychic, energy ball, t bolt, hidden power, sludge bomb. Excellent move set and coverage.
You just lit a lightbulb in my brain that's almost definitely headcannon, but mentioning that pre-special-split Exeggutor was essentially a pseudo-legendary by stat standards makes Alolan Exeggutor being a dragon-type have an extra layer to it for me, since most pseudo-legends have been dragon type. Kinda like an homage to its' gen-1 status or a subtle reference to how powerful it was. Can guarantee that wasn't their intention, but a cool coincidence for sure.
i think it‘s crazy how they nerf pokemon who were dominating so hard that they‘re basically never used again (like greninja with protean) but actually busted pokemon like urshifu or calyrex get to survive the next generation and continue dominating
I hate when they nerf Pokemon that are not strong enough, but then introduce absolutely broken Pokemon like in Gen 8 when they added Zacian, Urshifu, Calyrex, Regieleki, Dragapult, G-Darmanitan, Cinderace, and Dracovish.
It should have never existed in the first place, it's fanfics levels of stupid and this is coming from someone who has Greninja in his top 3 favorites.
Yeaaah. It's kind of hard to match "You got nerfed so badly, that you no longer exist." Along the lines of Cosplay Pikachu(s), Spiky Ear'd Pichu, Ultra Necrozma and any Pokemon that relied heavily on Mega Evolutions, Dynamax or Gigantamax forms.
Another way that Regieleki was nerfed was that Tapu Koko got removed from the game. Regieleki's main power came from electric terrain rising voltage, and without Tapu Koko the best electric terrain setter is Pincurcheon. So getting a terrain setter went from running a pokemon you very might well have run even if you had no team synergy for it, to needing to run something that you'd never run outside of team synergy.
What they did to BB was criminal, why have it in the game if it's just a slight stat boost, could they have not at least kept the forme change? I feel like Sceptile suffers as it has a lot of good physical moves but it can't take advantage of them as it was designed as a special attacker before the split.
Even if they wanted to distance it away from Ash, as he's not the main anime protagonist anymore, why not keep the effect and just change the post-transformation design to something more generic, like _"Greninja with a DBZ aura (color may or may not vary depending on some limited and arbitrary part of trainer customization)"?_
Banette is my favorite ghost type and seeing him being bad in battles really hurts my feelings, he didn’t deserve to be nerfed. Gamefreak should buff it, give it swords dance or something
Ghost just needs stronger moves in general. Its strongest widely available special move has 80 BP. Its strongest phyiscal moves are Poltergeist with 110/90 but needs the target to hold an item or phantom force with 90 BP that needs 2 turns. Like, Shadow Ball should be 90 BP like the other 90 BP gang and Phantom Force should've been some move without a drawback or way stronger.
@@youtube-kit9450 You can't give the arguably best offensive typing better moves, especially when we get ghost mons with either broken stats or abilities over and over
Aegislash's King's Shield also got nerfed from lower the attack stat by two stage to one stage in Gen 8 also Mimikyu's Disguise ability also got nerfed. In gen 7 it didn't lose any HP but now from gen 8 onwards it's now lose 1/8 of it's HP when Disguise busted
Bidoof is the most-nerfed Pokémon because it was left out of the generation that had Dynamax. The world just wasn't ready for what would've been the greatest, most powerful kaiju of all time.
Idk if Banette got hit so hard from Gen 3 to Gen 4. Shadow Ball became special and good physical ghost moves still(?) aren't very widely available, but it also got access to priority with Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch, which patched up its speed a little. Also speaking of cool ghost types, Cofagrigus is a personal favorite that's been indirectly nerfed in every generation. Mummy made it such a unique defensive threat and now it's like completely useless against almost anything meta cause everybody needs to have some dumb anime protagonist ability that can't be removed
Very hot take, but the Greninja nerfs were rightfully deserved. Protean probably would have conflicted with Terastilizing, and the Ash-Greninja form was already a dicey concept to begin with, that would have conflicted with the fact that Ash is no longer the anime protag. Sucks that it happened, yeah. But considering that neither Chesnaught nor Delphox got anything as consolation while the frog got two broken abilities, the best movepool a starter ever got, the best stats, two signature moves, and hogged all the screen time in the XYZ anime to completely dominate over the other two starters never sat well with me. The Gen 6 trio wasn't treated as a starter trio by GF. It was the Greninja show with 2 other guys. Charizard gets more special treatment, sure. But Venusaur and Blastoise got ... SOMETHING when Charizard gets special treatment! Greninja has been knocked back down a peg to being a good pokémon that isn't tipping the edge too harshly against the other 2. I'd rather see all 3 starters be mid/strong, rather than just formulating a favorite one to be the obvious choice and treat the other two starters as cardboard stand-ins.
Yeah, as much as game freak likes kissing Char's ass, there hasn't been a single starter trio where the treatment was as lopsided as in Kalos. Aside from the Kanto starters getting megas and completely overshadowing them in a playthrough, Greninja getting a broken hidden ability with a super form while the others got nothing for a long time... absolutely brutal. And sadly, since legends games have different starters, both Delphox and Chesnaught will be screwed over for a Mega Form once again. While I'd love other starters, simply the abuse those two starters suffered really makes me want them to be starters in Z-A just to get *something.*
Mewtwo deserves a mention. It was the most powerful pokemon in gen 1 and then the special split happened, amnesia only boosts spef instead of both special stats, dark type is introduced as a counter to psychic type and steel type is introduced and resists psychic type.
I firmly believe that the DV training to EV training was the the most spread, general nerf in the history of the game. Suddenly pokemon that were planned to have average defense and average offense in Gen 1 and Gen 2 (and even Gen 3) became glass cannons without enough power to overcome more tanky pokenon, at the same time. All due to they not being able to maximize all 6 stats anymore. Couldn't do both roles.
Gen 6 decreasing the power of critical attacks gave a 3rd nerf to Kingdra (which already got nerfed from fairies and the drizzle nerf). Also, gen 7 making dark types immune to prankster made my Mega Banette very sad.
Toxtricity lost 20% damage increase on sound moves aswell, also because Gigantamax is no longer a thing he cannot paralyze/poison with his signature move.
If i had a nickel for every time a Pokemon UA-camr compared Smeargle getting Dark Void nerfed to soneone using your car to commit a crime then getting your car baxk but the courts broke it, I would have two nickels. Which isn't much but it's weird that it's happened twice. M
Talonflame definitely got over-nerfed in my book. 50% or higher would have been a good fit. But because of how early it was to get and how early into the meta it was so powerful; most people hated and complained about Talonflame before word of its counters got out. If the backlash to Talonflame wasn't as vocal as it was and maybe it made it a gen forward without getting nerfed... Gale Wings might still be intact today. It was really strong when it first came out. But I think natural power creep would have kept the original Gale Wings balanced. On top of all the newer mechanics that came after it. Unless Talonflame gets access to another powerful Flying type move, current Gale Wings is not that good, since it will be taking damage right away. The best option for Talonflame with current Gale Wings... would be a Flying Gem boosted Acrobatics. But Flying Gem is MIA.
Not sure if this contends, but my nomination is Mewtwo. In gen 1, Amnesia gave this Pokemon a pseudo Geomancy without the speed boost - which Mewtwo could make use of - but didn't need to. It also only took a single turn. It's hard to call Mewtwo of all things so heavily "nerfed," but think of a metagame today where this already terrifying Pokemon has access to such an insane amount of power.
I would have it that Gail wings only works on attacking moves, not all fly type moves. So it would be abused with roost but still be good with aerial ace and brave bird.
My fave mon Metagross has been get slight indirect nerfs generation after generation and it really sucks. Like you said in the video, it was hurt by the explosion nerf, but gen 6 also lowered Meteor Mash’s power by 10 and removed steel’s resistances to dark and ghost, making Metagross weak to both
They saw greninja and they were like nerf it to the level that it’s hidden ability is just libero then make multiple Pokémon that counter it and increasing the average power level of Pokémon by a decent amount and then make a gimmick that does what it’s ability does and it’s ability dosent work with the gimmick the amount of ways they screwed over greninja is legit impressive
How did you not mentioned the buffed Knock Off when talking about indirect nerfs to the Latis Also mons like Toxapex and Blissey got completely shitted on (former lost both Scald and Knock Off, whiling the latter lost Teleport and more importantly Toxic), not to mention the universal nerf to recovery moves except Strength Sap and the usually useless Life Dew. Also Landorus-T lost Knock Off, Toxic, Defog, as well as Superpeoer. Add in Great Tusk having said Knock Off and hazard remover in the form of Rapid Spin and Lando-T literally had to adapt in OU or else it drops to UU(BL).
Happy JPR Friday!! What nerf made you the saddest?
Battle Bond Greninja because Ash-Greninja is my favorite Pokémon and was so cool. I was so excited when I found out that it would be coming to S/V. I’ve never used it before. Later when I found out that they changed how Battle Bond works, I was massively disappointed.
@@epicaustin17was gonna say that exact same thing
Hyper Beam's One Hit KO glitch exploit is one hundred percent a missed Pokemon gem
Not that upset about it because it didn't affect me, but Zoroark's "nerf" is easily the most criminal. Zacian is easily the most well deserved nerf lol
Ash greninja and ultra necrozma
From the side of VGC
Thunderus Incarnate was the most nerfed mon in the game. Thunderus was responsible for so many mechanic changes
1) Thunder wave got its accuracy nerfed to 90%
2) Electric types can no longer be paralyzed
3) Swagger got its accuracy nerfed to 85%
4) The chance of hitting in confusion was lowered
5) Dark type mons are immune to status moves from prankster mons
A great answer.
Smeargle would likely be second
Yet Lando was never nerfed how Peculiar
@@MaxiemumKarnage Probably because it doesn't spam luck-based moves.
@@rjante2236 yeah but it's ugly and I hate it
I'm still crying over Gengar's Levitate nerf
I know that feeling, bro.
its actually so horrible für mono poison, i have to run galar weezing just for some ground momentum and that thing cant even hit ground types for very effective dmg with anything
I feel like I gaslit myself into thinking Gengar never had Levitate as an ability until I played the older games again and was like I KNEW IT.
They made the glass cannon only glass now.
Unpopular opinion: Gengar didnt deserve levitate because it doesnt float. They should just have removed the poison typing instead
The souldew nerf was ironically a buff for them in VGC. Prior to the nerf this overpowered item was never allowed but with it’s nerf they gained a new option.
Lopunny fell hard in Gen. 8. Losing the Mega was bad enough, losing Return was just insult to injury.
Which is absurd since it could learn it naturally
i still remember buneary had return in one of the bdsp trailers only for them to remove it when the games came out lol
@@nellewoodruff6337Tbf, Return was just removed entirely. Nobody kept it.
@@magatsu6811 Still kinda lame. I get toxic, but to remove the move that represents friendship and care and all that
@@demi-femme4821 TBH, megas weren’t good for VGC at all, but I do wish return/frustration would come back.
Something I'm surprised you didn't mention was the removal of Hidden Power. You know, that move that gives practically any Pokemon whatever type coverage you want. Jolteon's already shallow movepool got so shallow that any variations are just a puddle. And it also meant that some Pokemon lost their best (or in some cases) ONLY access to coverage outside of their own types...
Tera blast it's a type of Hidden power and arguably better mechanic
@@franciscofernandezmedrano9613yeah but looking at the track record of gimmicks terastallization will probably disappear next generation as well
@@franciscofernandezmedrano9613 Yes, because I want to waste my Tera to get coverage.
@@franciscofernandezmedrano9613 you could see it like that, but Hidden Power was removed in gen 8 while Tera Blast is introduced in gen 9, so at least in gen 8 it was a nerve
@@ansonprydejr.1432 that the point of terablast
Metagross was only mentioned in the explosion nerf segment but it definetly had some other nerfs in Gen 6 that I feel need to be mentioned.
Meteor Mash's damage went from 100 to 90 which is quite the loss of power. But the more notable nerf for Metagross was steel types no longer resisting ghost and dark. With all the ghost moves and knock off spam flying around in modern gens, its Psychic typing went from complimenting its steel typing into becoming a huge detriment for it.
10 damage isn't much of a nerf. Plus, it's accuracy was buffed a lot to 90.
@@Sh4dowgaleIt’s accuracy was buffed by 5% bro 😭 It will only it one more time out of 20, it’s basically nothing
@@Logans_Login 85% accuracy literally makes it too unreliable to use in an actual competitive set. I'd take 90BP 90%acc over 100BP 85%acc ALL the time
Biggest nerf of all time? The back sprite of Feraligatr after gen 3...
He went from whole grain to gluten free 😢
He went from having a fat ass to having a flatter ass than Taylor Swift
@@lemonjuice2704 I feel insulted
The real tragedy is knowing Incineroar will never join this list as long as the guy at Gamefreak who has the hits for him is sent packing.
wait what?
@@deadheat1635 Incineroar keeps getting buffed
@@AngelPerez-tu1nk I think you meant "until the guy at Game freak who has the hots for him is sent packing" right? Just making sure.
@@deadheat1635 A dev at game freak likes mancat cheeks
Tbf they nerfed it indirectly, by having a lot of abilities negate Intimidate, Inner Focus specially, since it also prevents Flinching. We got Clear Amulet as an item to prevent stat reduction and finally Covert Cloak, to block secodary effects. He's still good tho. Very very good.
Another very notably nerfed Pokemon is Toxapex going from Gen 8 -> 9.
In the transition, it lost access to both Scald and Knock Off, aka the two moves the mon would spam all the time to make progress. Losing these two moves, alongside the Recover PP going from 16 -> 8, turned the mon from one of the best, most despised OU mons of all time, to simply a solid mon in UU.
What makes these nerfs hurt even more is that the DLC would later bring Scald and Knock Off back as TMs, giving the moves back to mons that previously lost them (Slowbro got Scald back, Weavile got Knock Off back, etc.). Not Toxapex though, as the mon is excluded from getting these two moves back, which definitely indicates that losing these two moves is a targeted nerf towards the mon.
A bit unfortunate to see it get nerfed this hard, but I don't think anyone misses Pex at full power, so it well warranted imo.
Tbh, a lot of Pokemon lost access to scald because of how hated it was.
This was actually the best decision gamefreak has ever made
Honestly, scald can go f-itself 😂
Mimikyu was also done fairly dirty when Disguise meant it no longer could take a free hit in Gen 8 - it would be dealt a fixed amount of damage.
They could've reduced the damage to 1% and guarantee that sash never activates
Not done dirty at all. Disguise + Focus Sash was the one doing us all dirty.
Castform was nerfed from the start when they didn’t give it a sandstorm form
Does it make sense to have one?
How often do you see sandstorms on the weather news?
I get sandstorm is a weather condition but I don’t know if it makes thematic sense. If it does then they have no reason not to do it.
@THGMR-ox7sd Weather Ball, which was originally Castform's signature move, changes into Rock-type in a sandstorm.
Castform also has equal Attack and Sp. Atk, despite all of its weather forms being special types in Gen 3. If they were going to go through with only three weather forms from the get-go, then might as well give it 50 base Attack and 90 base Sp. Atk (no one is using unboosted, 50 bp Weather Ball with Normal form Castform).
for gen 9 I think cinderace deserved a mention, it went from ubers to ou after libero got nerfed, compared to gren who was already ou
And the reason it and greninja got nerfed like that is because protean/libero would clash with the terastallization gimmick (with meowscarada not even being able to take advantage of it)
@@Zoroark_Master yeah agreed, I don't think its gonna get changed back tho
I kinda of think it’s a good thing that Libero got nerfed but could work in its old form but maybe make a gimmick ability for a certain Pokémon line limiting its power to that Pokémon and it’s move pool
@@Zoroark_Masterthat is such a lame reason, since they made it so that Teratralized pokemons are immune to every single typing change effect
Gren is UU now, and it's only because of Battle Bond. Cinderace is OU because he has Court Change and strong Fire Stab and U turn
Although not an official duo Cresselia got its base stats nerfed to have a bit of 580 while Darkrai kept its 600 bst. I just thought it was interesting how the duo got nerfed but in completely different ways.
Gengar may have been nerfed on the attacking front but it has also used status moves pretty well. Will o wisp, Dbond, Hypnosis, Glare, Pain Split etc
Glare? I think you mean Thunder Wave.
@@miikaroos3809 oh wait I meant Disable they both had bad accuracy at first but got buffed to 100
Alr glare is just outright wrong. Disable isnt too good on gengar, not too bad either but its so frail,same for pain split and the other ones where not new
I will never forgive them for what they did to battle bond, Ash Greninja was so cool
RIP the goat :(
That change was so unnecessary!!!
Bet legends za will have an ash greninja in some capacity
Maybe there’s hope in Legends Z-A.
Not only that but protean (though mister Sakurai did add ash greninja to greninja final smash in ultimate)
I genuinely love hearing "good morning everyone" and routinely listen to these videos in the morning because of that
I love to hear that lol
"Ghost types were harder to find than a stick of deodorant at a Super Smash Bros. tournament."
That line is such a burn, I love it!
😂😂😂😂
My nose hairs fell off just imagining
You’ve never gone to a Warhammer tournament then.
Skuntank would be jealous of the smell perforating from that hall.
RIP My froggy boi phenomenon
😭😭😭
A few that I feel like deserve a mention, even if they're not as nerfed as the ones mentioned here:
Victreebel: 1 > 2
For the uninitiated, partial trapping moves (Wrap, Bind, Fire Spin, and Clamp) worked differently in Generation 1. In Generation 1, the Pokemon affected by Wrap could still switch out, but they could not move. Victreebel had the unique combination of a Sleep move, Wrap, and a guaranteed crit Razor Leaf (crit rate based on base speed + elevated crit rate of Razor Leaf) to make it a niche pick in RBY competitive, but losing Wrap cheese AND the guaranteed Razor crits really hurt in the transition to GSC.
(Cloyster also lost this when Clamp got reworked, but Cloyster is a top 3 Pokemon in GSC competitive, so I don't think it's missing it that much.)
Dragonite: 2 > 3
Losing ExtremeSpeed. Do I need to say more?
Sceptile: 3 > 4
Admittedly, this is a personal sore spot for me. I don't care if Sceptile technically ended up better in competitive because of the physical-special split (its special movepool is more powerful than its physical movepool); making all of its fun moves it learns in single-player like Dragon Claw, Thunder Punch, or LEAF BLADE physical is painful.
Weavile: 8 > 9 (pre DLC)
Weavile lost Triple Axel and Knock Off before the DLC released for Scarlet and Violet. Those were its two best attacking moves, and Weavile was stuck using stuff like Icicle Crash or Night Slash before it regained them. It also didn't help that Chien-Pao, which was just better Weavile, was in the game. It eventually got these moves back (and Chien-Pao is banned in OU), so Weavile is actually doing pretty solid now, but man it was rough for that first year or so.
Edit: lmao I forgot Fire Spin existed, RBY OU player moment.
Oh, so Weavile is good again now? Great to hear that! I love Weavile :D
Yeah, poor Sceptile got screwed. Focus Blast sucks, Dragon Pulse and Leaf Storm got nerfed in Gen 6 and Hidden Power and Mega Evolution got axed in Gen 8. Sadly, if I'll ever use a Sceptile again, it must be in Emerald if Nintendo ever decides to release old Gens on their systems again.
@@robertlupa8273 As of me writing this, on Smogon's SV OU Viability Rankings it's in A rank with Pokemon like Deoxys-Speed, Garganacl, and Gouging Fire, so yeah, it's very good! It's not seeing the same heights as it did in Gen 8 (mostly because in Ubers you're just using Chien-Pao instead, so Weavile's days of terrorizing Ubers in Gen 8 were made obsolete) but it's usable!
IIRC, extremespeed didn’t get +2 priority until gen 4, which is also when Dragonite got ES back (in HGSS at least). Since ES wasn’t that impressive of an attack, and Dragonite really wanted to use other options, it wasn’t a huge deal
I hate it when developers take the nerfs too far... It happens EVERY TIME, not just in Pokemon. You're really good _one time,_ and the devs nerf you so badly to make sure you're never on top again.
Fr... It's almost funny how bad they are at anything they try to do
@@gabrielevalentini4438 That's uncalled for. Saying developers are bad at everything just because they nerf something a little too much is just disrespectful.
Unless your name is incineroar
nah you just remember it more when something is nerfed to death. If it's just nerfed a little you don't even remember the nerf and just think "wtf why have they barely done anything about this"
In all honesty I think that alakazam was the most nerfed from the dark and steel types to the physical special split and even now to recovers pp
Maybe in a quantity sense, but Zam has also gotten many tools over the years to play with. The reduced recover PP is not even affecting Zam, because it doesn't use it since Gen 1 or maybe 2 anymore.
Encore in Gen 3, Special Coverage in Gen 4 through Focus Blast and Grass Knot, Magic Guard and Psyshock in 5, and it's Mega is insane in 6 and 7. Exeggcutor and Tauros were hit way harder, these two are are borderline unusable
@@SuperSajayin2Gohani agree. I think Exeggutor is the biggest nerf. As for Tauros i think the nerfing of blizzard and its own spc atk was unforgiveable
RIP Talonflame 😔
I'm glad Talonflame fell off. It was too annoying to deal with
@@Axecon1ok but I feel like it fell of way too hard.
I thought it got nerfed not crippled for life.
Cofagrigus was my Tallonflame stopper with infestation
@@samcortez420that mummy spreading little sh-t always gave me trouble lmaoo
@@tylerpinniger9958Maybe Gale wings should stop giving priority to Flying moves when Talonflame is below 1/3 of its Hp.
Yes Banette lost physical Shadow Ball, but it finally has Poltergeist now, so who's laughing?! Still other Ghost types because for some reason Banette doesn't get Play Rough.
He has Gunk Shot, I say coping
Obviously focus blast has its issues but giving Gengar and Alakazam fighting coverage is still an upside to the physical/special split for them. They'd prefer something like Aura Sphere but fighting complements psychic much better than the elemental punches.
I also would like to point out that the physical/special split also did affect Houndoom who was the only special attacking Dark type with Pursuit
Focus Blast? More like Focus Miss.
A often Overlooked nerf in Gen 1 was 100% Crit Persian with Slash.
Chansey got a big offensive nerf from the Special split. Her 105 Sp in Gen 1 allowed Chansey to dish out some Damage with Tbolt and Ice Beam. gen 2 nerfed it to 35 locking Chansey into her Gimmiks of Toxic and Seismic Toss
The Special Physical Split wasnt a Nerf for Gengar. It lost The Elemental Punches sure but it gained a 2 Powerful Stabmove that finally benefited from Gengars Huge SpA Stat. Shadow Ball and Sludge Bomb
Some other Pokémon I think are worth mentioning:
Reshiram: Dragon/Fire is no longer an unresisted type combination starting in Gen 6 (remember that Flash Fire Heatran doesn’t count thanks to Turboblaze), and White Kyurem entirely outclasses it. Plus, Drought support from Groudon was effectively removed. Not like this Pokémon was ever a top-tier mascot Legendary anyways, but still.
Zapdos: While not nearly as nerfed as Articuno was, this thing was an absolute menace in Gen 2, teaming up with fellow Legendary Electric Raikou to warp the meta around themselves and their Hidden Power coverage options. Gen 3 slashed maxed out EVs in all stats and nerfed the RestTalk set, all while Rock-Type STAB became more common with Tyranitar and Aerodactyl’s buffs and Zapdos’s best frenemy Raikou fell out of OU entirely eventually. Oh, and before you say that it got Baton Pass from Gale of Darkness, that move has been suspect tested and banned in so many different ways over the years that it’s almost a complete non-factor.
Mimikyu: In Gen 7, this little guy would be used especially well in Doubles thanks to Disguise helping enable the use of support moves like Trick Room. Disguise would no longer operate like a built-in Focus Sash starting in Gen 8, and it also lost its Z-Move access along with everything else. Perhaps more importantly, this thing’s best Doubles teammate by far, Gluttony Snorlax, suffered a devastating nerf with the removal of Return and the nerfed “Pinch Berries”.
Every Steel/Psychic Pokémon: This specific typing used to have a unique quality- save for one resistance becoming a neutrality, you (the Pokémon) were basically a Psychic-Type without any of the drawbacks of being a Psychic-Type, not unlike what Mega Rayquaza’s Delta Stream does for Flying-Types. Come Gen 6, though, Steel lost its resistances to Ghost and Dark, and Metagross and company have never been the same, even with that Pokémon’s Mega form added in ORAS. Incidentally, this nerf might also have something to do with Metagross’s single player performance in Black & White 2, a game where you can catch this evolution line with a Master Ball before the postgame and has Dark and Ghost-Type Elite Four battles paired with other Types Metagross has winning matchups against.
Ninetales: In almost every generation this thing has gotten some kind of nerf, from a nerfed Special Attack stat to Tyranitar’s Sand Stream to Stealth Rock and nerfed base powers of special moves. Even the one significant buff it ever got, that being Drought, was nerfed in Gen 6 and made irrelevant by Torkoal in Gen 7. This thing might be up there with Exeggutor and Thundurus as one of the most nerfed Pokémon of all time across its entire lifespan.
That Gengar nerf was painfully unnecessary. Especially when the dude already has paper-thin defenses.
Bro completely glazed over thundurus who would genuinely probably be the most nerfed pokemon ever
Yeah, Thundurus alone caused like, half a dozen nerfs.
Paralysis got nerfed twice by both making electric types immune to it and making the speed drop go from 75% to 50%.
Thunder Wave got its accuracy dropped to 90%.
Swagger got nerfed twice by both having its accuracy dropped and confusion having the chance to hit itself dropped from 50% to 33%.
Dark types are immune to Prankster moves.
@@youtube-kit9450 yeah dude the 2015 season was just prankster swagger thunder wave spam
@@youtube-kit9450Also it got Thunderbolt’s power nerfed to 90
Who nerfed greninja the most, game freak or Masahiro Sakurai?
Yes
12:30 Wasn't it simply that Rillaboom relied on move tutors and certain TMs to get those attacks? Hence, they weren't taken away from it so much as not available until the moves returned as part of the expanded list of TMs.
I'd have to say that Snorlax was the most nerfed in the gen 2 to 3 transition not only because of the Rest + Talk mechanic change, but also because of the limitation on EVs that started on Ruby/Sapphire. Before every Pokemon could have all its stats maxed, but the 510 limit meant that every Pokemon was effectively a lot less bulkier/tankier because you could no longer have max HP, Def and Spdef and Snorlax was struck harder with this because its status as the undisputed best Pokemon in Gold/Silver/Crystal was heavily tied into its hit taking capabilities and the self-heal of Rest Talk. And that's not even factoring in the fact that now Fighting type attacks got incredible new additions and were more distributed.
Tauros' base Special Attack turned to 40 from Gen 2 onwards, not 45. Perhaps some other nerfs to be found are mostly found in the form of power creep, but neutral coverage is generally more helpful in the long run than is super effective coverage, so it mightn't be too much of a nerf in the physical/special split
Gengar was buffed in gen 4. You didn’t use STAB in previous Gens because shadow ball was physical. It had shadow ball, psychic, energy ball, t bolt, hidden power, sludge bomb. Excellent move set and coverage.
*Ferrothorn was a menace for 10 years*
Ferrothorn isnt that strong by gen 9 standards.
Also, Ferrothorn isn’t in Scarlet and Violet
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@@Megaman.ExE7im pooping
@Megaman.ExE7 what happened?
You just lit a lightbulb in my brain that's almost definitely headcannon, but mentioning that pre-special-split Exeggutor was essentially a pseudo-legendary by stat standards makes Alolan Exeggutor being a dragon-type have an extra layer to it for me, since most pseudo-legends have been dragon type. Kinda like an homage to its' gen-1 status or a subtle reference to how powerful it was.
Can guarantee that wasn't their intention, but a cool coincidence for sure.
i think it‘s crazy how they nerf pokemon who were dominating so hard that they‘re basically never used again (like greninja with protean) but actually busted pokemon like urshifu or calyrex get to survive the next generation and continue dominating
Nerfing psychic in gen 2 indirectly buffed fighting, which was another nerf for normal
I hate when they nerf Pokemon that are not strong enough, but then introduce absolutely broken Pokemon like in Gen 8 when they added Zacian, Urshifu, Calyrex, Regieleki, Dragapult, G-Darmanitan, Cinderace, and Dracovish.
MY BOY CHANDELURE GOT DONE DIRTY FR HE SHOULDVE GOTTEN THE LOVE HE DESERVED BUT INSTEAD WAS LEFT IN THE DUST TO ROT FOR ALL ETERNITY
Mimikyu who’s ability gave it a free pass to get hit the disguise being broken makea it lose health now in gen 8
That Focus Blast joke was godlike. You cooked with that one.
As someone who loves both of those Pokémon (and just swords in general), Aegislash and Zacian's stat nerfs felt like an attack on me personally
Ash-Gren got Thanos’d. TPC is basically acting as if the form never existed.
In games it makes sense because it was just fan-service but in the anime i agree with you.
It should have never existed in the first place, it's fanfics levels of stupid and this is coming from someone who has Greninja in his top 3 favorites.
Yeaaah. It's kind of hard to match "You got nerfed so badly, that you no longer exist."
Along the lines of Cosplay Pikachu(s), Spiky Ear'd Pichu, Ultra Necrozma and any Pokemon that relied heavily on Mega Evolutions, Dynamax or Gigantamax forms.
0:15 That transition to the mega was so clean 👌
I like to see what buffs pokemon got
Generation 7's biggest nerf: Tackle dropping to 40 power.
To be fair, why the hell was that move buffed to 50 instead of 40 power in the first place?
Another way that Regieleki was nerfed was that Tapu Koko got removed from the game. Regieleki's main power came from electric terrain rising voltage, and without Tapu Koko the best electric terrain setter is Pincurcheon. So getting a terrain setter went from running a pokemon you very might well have run even if you had no team synergy for it, to needing to run something that you'd never run outside of team synergy.
raichu-kantonian could gain electric surge
Fairy the fairy introduction is hilarious it was made to balance the game, but just became the strongest type keeping the game unbalanced
Sooo, nobody gonna say Sceptile??
He already was the worse of the trio, and the physical/special split killed him till ORAS
Also in gen 7, Greninja had access to Work Up to boost its Special Attack. It was the only way to boost it. Now it can only boost it with Battle Bond.
He made it sound like the Lati twins struggled in gen 5 because of low defense 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel for banette. Even in Pokemon Go where there's no a physical/special split they refuse to give him the good ghost moves
What they did to BB was criminal, why have it in the game if it's just a slight stat boost, could they have not at least kept the forme change?
I feel like Sceptile suffers as it has a lot of good physical moves but it can't take advantage of them as it was designed as a special attacker before the split.
Even if they wanted to distance it away from Ash, as he's not the main anime protagonist anymore, why not keep the effect and just change the post-transformation design to something more generic, like _"Greninja with a DBZ aura (color may or may not vary depending on some limited and arbitrary part of trainer customization)"?_
Banette is my favorite ghost type and seeing him being bad in battles really hurts my feelings, he didn’t deserve to be nerfed. Gamefreak should buff it, give it swords dance or something
Ghost just needs stronger moves in general.
Its strongest widely available special move has 80 BP. Its strongest phyiscal moves are Poltergeist with 110/90 but needs the target to hold an item or phantom force with 90 BP that needs 2 turns.
Like, Shadow Ball should be 90 BP like the other 90 BP gang and Phantom Force should've been some move without a drawback or way stronger.
@@youtube-kit9450poltergeist is extra annoying because, if that's gonna be the ghost physical move of choice, WHY DONT ENEMIES HAVE ITEMS IN GAME
@@youtube-kit9450 You can't give the arguably best offensive typing better moves, especially when we get ghost mons with either broken stats or abilities over and over
You can't make a reference to Pokémon that got nerfed instead of buffed from the physical/special split without alluding to poor, poor, Sceptile
Aegislash's King's Shield also got nerfed from lower the attack stat by two stage to one stage in Gen 8 also Mimikyu's Disguise ability also got nerfed. In gen 7 it didn't lose any HP but now from gen 8 onwards it's now lose 1/8 of it's HP when Disguise busted
Bidoof is the most-nerfed Pokémon because it was left out of the generation that had Dynamax. The world just wasn't ready for what would've been the greatest, most powerful kaiju of all time.
It's also got nerfed as its use of an HM slave, since HMs aren't a thing anymore. Even in the Sinnoh remakes 😢
They should nerf kingambit in gen 10 taking sucker punch away from him and nerfing supreme overload too.
Losing Tera will nerf it enough, unless the next gimmick somehow outdoes Tera 😂
50% of Paldea mon will get nerf.
Supreme Overlord isn’t that good in VGC cause that’s 4v4
lol since the typing error was a unintentionally mechanic change , wrre ghost types the original nerf?
As Incineroar was my first starter, it’s so funny I was fortunate enough to get the VGC GOAT
Kinda like the little mini intro to introduce us to the topic !!!
Necrozma after the Z-Moves were removed. No more ultra forme for you.
Idk if Banette got hit so hard from Gen 3 to Gen 4. Shadow Ball became special and good physical ghost moves still(?) aren't very widely available, but it also got access to priority with Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch, which patched up its speed a little.
Also speaking of cool ghost types, Cofagrigus is a personal favorite that's been indirectly nerfed in every generation. Mummy made it such a unique defensive threat and now it's like completely useless against almost anything meta cause everybody needs to have some dumb anime protagonist ability that can't be removed
Also Shadow Ball is only 10 BP stronger than the physical alternative it was forced. Banette would have still sucked with physical Shadow Ball.
Very hot take, but the Greninja nerfs were rightfully deserved. Protean probably would have conflicted with Terastilizing, and the Ash-Greninja form was already a dicey concept to begin with, that would have conflicted with the fact that Ash is no longer the anime protag. Sucks that it happened, yeah. But considering that neither Chesnaught nor Delphox got anything as consolation while the frog got two broken abilities, the best movepool a starter ever got, the best stats, two signature moves, and hogged all the screen time in the XYZ anime to completely dominate over the other two starters never sat well with me. The Gen 6 trio wasn't treated as a starter trio by GF. It was the Greninja show with 2 other guys. Charizard gets more special treatment, sure. But Venusaur and Blastoise got ... SOMETHING when Charizard gets special treatment! Greninja has been knocked back down a peg to being a good pokémon that isn't tipping the edge too harshly against the other 2. I'd rather see all 3 starters be mid/strong, rather than just formulating a favorite one to be the obvious choice and treat the other two starters as cardboard stand-ins.
Yeah, as much as game freak likes kissing Char's ass, there hasn't been a single starter trio where the treatment was as lopsided as in Kalos. Aside from the Kanto starters getting megas and completely overshadowing them in a playthrough, Greninja getting a broken hidden ability with a super form while the others got nothing for a long time... absolutely brutal.
And sadly, since legends games have different starters, both Delphox and Chesnaught will be screwed over for a Mega Form once again. While I'd love other starters, simply the abuse those two starters suffered really makes me want them to be starters in Z-A just to get *something.*
@@youtube-kit9450 as a delphox lover this did hurt me greatly seeing not get anything
HAPPY JPR Friday
We’re getting all the views with Ash Greninja on the thumbnail
Since Generation IV, physical moves are force-based attacks. Moves that are special are spiritual or magical based attacks.
Mewtwo deserves a mention. It was the most powerful pokemon in gen 1 and then the special split happened, amnesia only boosts spef instead of both special stats, dark type is introduced as a counter to psychic type and steel type is introduced and resists psychic type.
I firmly believe that the DV training to EV training was the the most spread, general nerf in the history of the game.
Suddenly pokemon that were planned to have average defense and average offense in Gen 1 and Gen 2 (and even Gen 3) became glass cannons without enough power to overcome more tanky pokenon, at the same time.
All due to they not being able to maximize all 6 stats anymore. Couldn't do both roles.
Aegislash was nerfed before it was even introduced. Imagine when he was introduced before steel type defensive nerf, steel/ghost would be crazy
The mega lopunny scream as he was thanos snapped killed me xD
Gengar also got nerfed heavily in the more recent gens as it lost the Levitate ability and got Cursed Body instead
Gen 6 decreasing the power of critical attacks gave a 3rd nerf to Kingdra (which already got nerfed from fairies and the drizzle nerf). Also, gen 7 making dark types immune to prankster made my Mega Banette very sad.
The stadium clips are moving so quick I fear they could induce headaches or seizures.
Toxtricity lost 20% damage increase on sound moves aswell, also because Gigantamax is no longer a thing he cannot paralyze/poison with his signature move.
Even if it's doing better with the nerf, the fact that Zamazenta was also punished for Zacian being unfairly overpowered is absolutely insane
We need a new false swipe gaming theorem about buffs and nerfs in Pokémon.
If i had a nickel for every time a Pokemon UA-camr compared Smeargle getting Dark Void nerfed to soneone using your car to commit a crime then getting your car baxk but the courts broke it, I would have two nickels. Which isn't much but it's weird that it's happened twice. M
Biggest nerf in SV was the nerf to Dragon Energy's animation.
I dunno about talonflame though it was already super fast on its own so I think it needed something to cover for its quad weakness to rock instead
Talonflame definitely got over-nerfed in my book. 50% or higher would have been a good fit. But because of how early it was to get and how early into the meta it was so powerful; most people hated and complained about Talonflame before word of its counters got out. If the backlash to Talonflame wasn't as vocal as it was and maybe it made it a gen forward without getting nerfed... Gale Wings might still be intact today. It was really strong when it first came out. But I think natural power creep would have kept the original Gale Wings balanced. On top of all the newer mechanics that came after it.
Unless Talonflame gets access to another powerful Flying type move, current Gale Wings is not that good, since it will be taking damage right away. The best option for Talonflame with current Gale Wings... would be a Flying Gem boosted Acrobatics. But Flying Gem is MIA.
Most nerfed for me is Lopunny. Lost its Mega right when Scrappy gained Intimidate immunity. Just a bad time to be Lopunny fan.
Gyarados was massacred from Gen 1 to Gen 2. I'm surprised you didn't mention it.
I don't like many mons past gen 5 but Greninja was one of the few that shouldn't of gotten as nerfed as it did
Articuno hanging out in gen 9 meta watching this video like: i remember those days
Not sure if this contends, but my nomination is Mewtwo.
In gen 1, Amnesia gave this Pokemon a pseudo Geomancy without the speed boost - which Mewtwo could make use of - but didn't need to. It also only took a single turn.
It's hard to call Mewtwo of all things so heavily "nerfed," but think of a metagame today where this already terrifying Pokemon has access to such an insane amount of power.
I would have it that Gail wings only works on attacking moves, not all fly type moves. So it would be abused with roost but still be good with aerial ace and brave bird.
5:13 Well done sir. Joke definitely hit its mark more than focus miss.
My fave mon Metagross has been get slight indirect nerfs generation after generation and it really sucks.
Like you said in the video, it was hurt by the explosion nerf, but gen 6 also lowered Meteor Mash’s power by 10 and removed steel’s resistances to dark and ghost, making Metagross weak to both
this guy reminds me of The Daily Downforce
They saw greninja and they were like nerf it to the level that it’s hidden ability is just libero then make multiple Pokémon that counter it and increasing the average power level of Pokémon by a decent amount and then make a gimmick that does what it’s ability does and it’s ability dosent work with the gimmick the amount of ways they screwed over greninja is legit impressive
Misty terrain reducing dragon-type damage means one fairy unit can protect you from an entire team of dragons. That is much better than +50% damage.
Misty Terrain also blocks status conditions
@@kailesperance1922 indeed
Cursed body gengar makes me so mad to this day
How did you not mentioned the buffed Knock Off when talking about indirect nerfs to the Latis
Also mons like Toxapex and Blissey got completely shitted on (former lost both Scald and Knock Off, whiling the latter lost Teleport and more importantly Toxic), not to mention the universal nerf to recovery moves except Strength Sap and the usually useless Life Dew.
Also Landorus-T lost Knock Off, Toxic, Defog, as well as Superpeoer. Add in Great Tusk having said Knock Off and hazard remover in the form of Rapid Spin and Lando-T literally had to adapt in OU or else it drops to UU(BL).
Almost all of these nerfs wouldn’t be relevant in formats where transfer moves aren’t allowed.
Snorlax is the biggest, going from the best Pokémon in OU AND Ubers in Gen 2 to an extremely niche (debatably unviable) pick in Gen 3 OU.
Happy JPR Friday
Imagine porygon-z with life orb and hen 1 hyper beam
Hypno got hit even harder than Exeggutor, losing every inch of offensive power
My babygirl Mewtwo is the nerfedest pokemom of all: went from Gen 1 equivalent of AG to "opportunity cost"
The biggest nerf for every pokemon actually - power creep in next Gen.
At least most of them are decent for the regular game, but Persian... oh boy
What's a Persian?