Can The Ineos Grenadier Survive The Same Trail That Broke Our Toyota Tacoma?
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- Опубліковано 8 бер 2024
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In episode 2 of our Ineos Grenadier series, Roman and Kase head to the Colorado mountains looking for some deep snow and tough obstacles.
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New vehicles have become so expensive that these videos are almost obsolete to me anymore. But I still love you guys!
Agreed, this vehicle looks great but $100k for a fun weekend camping truck is pure fantasy for 99% of TFL off-road viewers.
@brewsnoop mmmm maybe 80 percent.
yep. i can't remember the exact details but i saw a bnew price of a Landcruiser in the 60s in Aus then applied inflation over the decades. the cruiser's cost came out at the 60k+ mark in todays money.
Yeah it's a nice truck and all but get it down to about the $50k mark and that makes it accessible to many more people.
I'm happy vehicles like this are out there, but yes prices have jumped the shark. It's a gentrified market. Loving the $28k Bronco I got before the price increases.
Can't wait to buy one of these... used 10 years from now.
Even then it's going to be expensive, requiring whole bunch of maintenance to be done ASAP.
A ten year old BMW engine tho
15 years for me, If they're still around, that'll be the ultimate test!
@@joseeduardo4327 Will be replaced with LS first thing.
I have a feeling it’s going to be a pile of crap by then
Correction: Ineos deliberately doesn't call it a snorkel as it doesn't provide ANY additional water wading benefits. It's a raised air intake which is supposed to help take in cleaner air being up high above dust. The wading depth is exactly the same whether you get the raised air intake or not.
Except RAIs Don’t get any cleaner air - it’s a myth. Dust goes up at least 4m so it’s no cleaner at RAI level at all.
Locks rear diff, then turns a tight circle, lmao
I just learn it's better to keep my AMG G-wagen few more years..
I’ve seen Roman triple lock a vehicle going downhill. Amazes me after years of experience he doesn’t know how/when to use the tools at his disposal.
These guys are comically clueless given how much exposure they’ve enjoyed to off roading.
He’s a bit slow.
@@jabroni6199sometimes you should. Sometimes.
Cranking the wheel while trying to lock the diffs is probably the issue.
Roman does not like waiting .
I believe he was doing that to see if that helped it unlock. Seems like they rushed that portion of the vehicle before proving it out.😊
i'd never be locking diffs with the wheels cranked far. always as close to center as possible.
Turning the wheel and thereby making the wheels spin at different speeds will always prevent the diffs from locking.
I order to lock together 2 independent spinning things they need to be spinning at the same speed! 🤦♂
Thank you! Exactly..Roman drives me nuts
@10:47... I think the problem was that Roman was trying to turn. Pretty sure you have to drive straight to lock the lockers on almost any 4x4 with a front locker. If the front wheels are turning at different speeds, it's not going to lock.
As a Norwegian, I would like to say that you have a long way to go on the driving technique on snow. You should look up some Nordic overlanding UA-camrs on that.
In general, they are mediocre at driving off road.
Its yours to do as you please, but i wouldn't lift it way up and put giant tires on it. The beauty of this rig is its classic old school safari sryle.
It looks like the classic Land Rover that would be illegal to build today.
@rondavis3232 I think you hit the nail on the head.
I agree!
Ibach already has a 30mm (little over 1 inch) lift for the grenadier, with it fitted, you can put up to a 34 inch tire under it, which imo looks great
So I stopped the vid when I saw 50lbs of air in the tires. Neat rig , tested by hacks.
Don’t blame the car for not knowing how to lock and unlock the differentials! You didn’t watch any official videos or even read the manual beforehand.
Nice videos, but Roman mails it in allot, he does not do his homework ….. lol
They can start with not turning so much when trying to put on the front locker........
You should be driving straight.
God forbid you read the owners manual first. Otherwise your as bad as a mall crawler
thats far from the upcomming issues everything under the hood is thin wires and plastic hard lines.
Watch the instruction videos and see that the diff locking button requires it be pushed once and then a second time to confirm the choice. A safety feature it seems.
Since it looks like a cockpit, you might as well have a laminated checklist for putting it into 4 low and locked
I was thinking of that or step by step placards/laminates on the overhead panels.
That would be cool
This person should get a job at Ineos
😂
Even Harry’s Garage couldn’t figure out how to lock the diffs (he didn’t put it in low)
You could disengage “lock” on the transfer case lever, i.e. move the lever out of High-Lock or out of Low-Lock, this will disengage all lockers at once.
My biggest hope for this vehicle is that it encourages its competitors to produce their classic body style again in a new technology package. Cars have gotten so ugly in the last few decades.
Exactly my hope
100%
Congratulations on all the content you guys supply which brightens UK dull winter days considerably. I enjoy the landscapes too. Totally get the point of comparisons and some of your observations but the Grenadier was not designed to be the ultimate 4WD but designed for endurance and reliability ( please keep it for a long time ! ) and is a work truck for commercial operators primarily in whatever area they operate. It needs a 4WD capability but is not designed to be the ultimate off roader. Maintenance, reliability of all drive line components and back up is where you guys can really help. Try and break it in normal hard work!! The mechanical lockers( like the centre diff in previous Defenders) will hang on until they detect all grip is restored. They are again designed to operate in that manner so that torque wind up does no damage on a sudden disengagement. They may not operate in a manner that is as good as some competitors but what is the durability? Si.
Key is to slowly crawl forward. At your first attempts you were making a curve, Diffs don't like that when engaging!
Anyone else appreciate that they explained why you need to drive around to show the differentials are disengaged? So many modern manuals explaine nothing, hearing that it goes into the systems involved is very refreshing.
I think this is my favorite new 4x4. Styling is awesome, appears to be able to handle just about anything you can throw at it.
Not supposed to turn the wheel while trying to lock or unlocking the diffs. Good way to bind everything up.
Roman, dude. You don’t turn your wheel to lock the diffs. You also have to be rolling to get any mechanical device to match the gears up and lock. User error 100% with the locking of the diffs.
Unlocking doesn’t matter so much, but the sensors and computer were the reason the unlocking was “delayed.” You were probably unlocked immediately but the sensors needed to register that rotational speed change.
Slow down a bit and think about it before you say “it’s disconcerting.”
Anyone else watch these sort of car videos with the anticipation of buying one second hand in 5 years or so when they are cheaper? 😂
My local Nissan dealership recently became an authorized dealership for the Grenadier. They just stacked their backlot with roughly 75 of them.
They must be making space for about 60 Broncos then.
There must be way more lawyers and doctors than I think there are.
When you say "a lot of people" are trading Broncos for Grenadiers, keep in mind that Ineos has only delivered 1,000 Grenadiers in the entire US. "A lot" is relative considering 300,000 or so Broncos that have been sold in America. Your dealer has sold what, 15 or 20 Grenadiers?
A lot of people thate are buying the grenadiner, that is what he said. He didnt even get close to hinting that are lot of people are buying grenadiers
They’re saying that their dealer has been taking Broncos as trade-ins for the Grenadiers they’ve sold; that’s it.
@@bradythegenius2123 common sense would say that the Bronco has been out way longer than the Grenadier. I see common sense isn't so common anymore 😅
Triggered ford fanboy?
@@rafalstBS. They said, “a lot of people are trading Broncos for Ineoses”
I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of locking speed on rollers with different 4WDs. I suspect the ford is simply indicating it’s locked before it’s actually locked. 4 wheels on rollers would be a good comparison test and eliminate uneven terrain variables.
When you press the diff lock buttons and they blink, you then need to press it quickly one more time to confirm.
They didn’t even read the owners, manual or watch any instructional videos before doing a test drive. So don’t blame the car.
@@CJ-rk5eg I'm always surprised that people think they should be able to figure out a completely new vehicle without reading the manual, as if that's some hallmark of good design. Good design only takes you so far, it's the job of the customer to learn about the product before and after the purchase.
That's not correct. You just press for 1 second to activate. You are getting mixed up with the off road and wading buttons where a second press is necessary to confirm the requirement.
@@mistrrhappyBeing simple to understand and use is a hallmark of good design, other manufacturers manage to make it far simpler and quicker for the diff locks to lock and unlock.
@@mistrrhappyI agree! I was about to snap at the end of the video watching him fumble around with the buttons and then he finally said…maybe we should take a look at the manual
Nice and all but you guys keep forgetting to air down to get more contact patch. Off roading does require airing down tires when necessary.
airing down is not required on a light offroading trail such as this.
@@billw8476it’s ok, but you’re wrong. Airing down softens the ride & increases the contact patch on muddy/snowy surfaces. There are a lot of instances they find themselves in situations that more than likely would have been avoided by dropping the tire pressure & allowing the tire to flex.
@@diSSent29and I've noticed that when TFL says they're "aired down" a lot of the time they'll be "aired down" to like... 25 psi. Meanwhile, my JLU on 35s runs 28 psi on the street. 25 psi is what it'll be on a cool morning. To really be "aired down" they should be more in the 15-20 psi category.
@@diSSent29 which would work in heavy snow or mud......not on this light trail shown in the video.
@@billw8476ok. But again. You’re wrong. Which is why they were spinning going up the rocks. Lack of contact patch. But hey, call it what you want.
As it turns out, Roman doesn't know how long "1 second" is.
That drove me crazy
It's complicated
He’s a dumba$$
Pushes button…”it says hold button for one second…..one one thousand…..”. Releases button.
Saw these at the sportsman show here in Oregon. Cheapest model they have is $72k. If they could do one for $40k I'd sign papers today.
What truck can you get for 40k today?? 😂😂😂
Lockers .... you have to move forward for them to engage... just like old school manual four wheel drive
Idk my lockers are engaged when accelerate. I only run Detroit Lockers.
😂😂😂 Read the instructions, what a pair of muppets 😂😂😂😂😂
-James May 😅
I was yelling at the screen: ROLL FORWARD, just like you read in the manual.
Great video and covering items we want to see on a vehicle we want to know more about. Great job. Thanks very much.
That overhead panel is so cool
How cool?
It's what sealed the deal for my wanting one.
Hey look it didnt break like a tacoma lol
But Tacoma did😢. No 4x4 should break like that, it's inexcusable.
@@zelenizub2036 That’s why you never buy a vehicle the first year it’s out. A lemon or two is always going to slip through.
@matthewcaughey8898 just don't buy any new Toyota. Problem solved.
@@quyle9483then buy a new what?
@benruthlessburger8905 a not Yotoya or yoga or whatever them people call those blasted things.
Complaining about traction off road while at 50 PSI… sigh
It almost looks like they wanted the car to fail. What a nonsense.
Black steel wheels look like the ones that came on my Bronco Black Diamond. Nice looking vehicle and video. Thanks guys.
Watching the diff locking sequence was painful. These guys are clueless or don't bother to read. Usually (especially with new cars) you need to crawl a bit forward and turn the steering wheel a bit to align the gears in the lockers and then they click in. And you have to make sure they are engaged one by one. It's not that hard. In the first few drives this is a bit finicky but after a few uses this will get easier as the gears adjust. It seems modern cars where you just press a button and they do everything for you have spoiled drivers.
Great production as always!
Much appreciated!
i put my pre order in cant wait to get mine
It is awesome. You are going to love it.
Enjoyed that. Looks like Roman and Case did, too. If a vehicle makes you smile, that's half the battle, surely?
These guys never air down!
Thank you guys for the great video. To me, this is very utilitarian vehicle,very solid. It's only that the price abit high.
Kase is perfect match for this review
dont make him break a transfer kase
He should be driving not the boss .. Roman acted surprised when picking up the Wagoneer when it had heated seats.. lol.. cmon.. let the young guys do the videos.. Kade actually sounds knowledgeable …
I love that it has a solid front axle ! That’s awesome ! Wish the doors came off though
Roman/Kase/Alex great video as always, any new vehicle to anyone especially new on the world market has a learning curve to it , agreed that sure it should be intuitive on the other hand you get some education and that is always good and fun at the same time when it comes to off roading, for lift kits Eibach has a set of springs available that a cousin over in Ireland has on order for is Grenadier , the springs give you 1 1/4" lift front/rear axles for about $600 U.S. pretty reasonable and very high quality product, my guess is you guys will want a bigger lift than that if your going to do one, that would give between 11-12" of ground clearance pretty sweet really and tires might give you another half to one inch, a dealer here in Canada said for off road tires that the KM3's are a better tire than the KO2's, just a persons opinion really , I look forward to this video series and hope that the Grenadier as your newest long term member of the TFL fleet is kept around for a year or so, only time will tell, your $80,000.00 is $108,000.00 CDN dollars which puts it out of range for me , maybe a used one in the future 👍you always bring it home, TFL gettin er done
See it was the ice lol well done Alex and Roman and kase
I like the mix of experience presenter and new blood
Kase looks and sounds a lot like Adam Scott lmao
Yea, the “snorkel” as you call it is actually a raised air intake that has nothing to do with wading depth - which is the same w/o it - but everything to do with dusty roads or desert. Know your vehicle, gentlemen!!
What vehicle is in front of it filming it? Seems to be doing everything the ineos is doing
You can see a red Chevy Silverado in the background numerous times so that would be my assumption.
It might be the AEV Wrangler.
Buhanka
Everything except breaking down due to transmission or valvetrain issues 😂
The only problem the Ineos will have is oil leaks or cracked plastics, but you can still drive it while it has these problems, at least.
@@qx4n9e1xp well. Go buy one big money! My chevy’s been excellent so far. Didn’t pay close to 85k. Good luck
Who else thinks that this rig will soon be heading back to the dealer for repairs? Expensive to buy, expensive to keep on the road. This review reaffirms my decision to hang onto my 2012 FJ Cruiser for as long as possible.
Time will tell.. glad to see someone had the courage to build a proper off roader again. Now Toyota needs to bring back the FJ!
Maybe the front didn’t lock and was saying check lock conditions because you were in a hard turn instead of having the vehicle pointed straight? Seemed as though once you straightened the front end out it allowed the locking of the front.
Driveline windup could be the reason for the slow to engage lockers. Try rolling to stop in N wheels straight. That eliminates windup.
I think the Camera man is the best offroader
I enjoy your road tests. On vehicles I’ll never own !
You guys need to do a TRIPPLE LOCK CHALLENGE
Case: Hold lock button for 1 second
Roman: holds button for 5 seconds before counting for 1 second.
Case presses the button for 1 second and everything works. 🤦🏻♂️
I want to see this thing compared to stock or near stock triple locked 80 series landcruiser.
A lot of folk might agree with you that it is user knowledge issues. But you know what, I am not 1 of them. Kase is no slouch on this stuff. You have/had the manual there. Reading what it said to do and it still didn't work effectively. Eventually does not cut it. And from previous videos of how this thing operates on road(steering)I can tell I am not missing anything there. I would say an LRD would be preferable. Even with air bags and potential repairs and high maintenance. At least you know that thing is doing what you tell it to do. AND it has a much friendlier on road presence.(steering) And I totally agree with you about the Bronco being a better choice for that kind of terrain. The IG is cool by design. Semi practical by space. Sort of capable when things are working as advertised. As a tractor rig, it is ok. But at 80K, you are spending a lot for something that less expensive rigs can do better.
It seemed like you held in the differential lock button much longer than one second. Is it possible that you activated a diagnostic or, at least, different mode by pushing and holding longer than one second?
A lot of Bronco owners are trading in to buy Grenadiers. Of course they are, because they are must have the newest coolest thing crowd. Malls everywhere get ready. They should measure the boot in Nordstrom bags. I hope I actually see some on the trails.
I wish TFL was able to hang onto the grenadier a little longer - to compare to ranger raptor and the cyber truck to see how differently they handle being off road but I also find it interesting how vehicles come and go and the decisions made on which ones when and the whys
Just saw one last night was pretty cool
ZF Transmissions are some of the best built today!
ZF transmissions are some of the best designed today, but you can have others building them under license, like stelantis.
Most solid axle vehicles prefer the steering wheel to be straight and slowly rolling forward while trying to lock the axles.
I have NOT watched the video yet, but I can answer: Y E S.
I have the KO2's...I like them but they should not have the 3 peak snow rating. I find them to be slippery in snow. This video proves this too.
Great title. ❤
Even thought many understand that the failure was likely due to premature fatigue, still, T owned that title 😂
Case is a great addition to the TFL team
12:40 Cut tree gives more evidence that the offroad crowd tends to be more about ego than nature.
Base Rubicon Wrangler may be cheaper but a fully kitted out Rubicon (non-392) will also have triple locked diffs, plus a disconnecting sway bar, leather seats, heated seats, remote start, blind spot sensors, steel bumpers, a winch, etc, etc, and be about the same price point. You get way more bang for your buck, and can be ordered in any city in America and will maybe take two months to come in. With this one, you're paying for _exclusivity._ It's a cool ride, but I'd much rather have all the extras for the same price point. Or a basic ride for $15-20k less.
IdK about durability using a BMW powertrain…. I’ve never seen any BMW pass 70k miles without MAYOR REPAIRS or someone just doing a engine swap or something like that 😅
If they make the same body over a taller suspenssion 35” tires and a Toyota 1VDDTT v8 (the diesel Land Cruiser 200 powertrain can be factory fitted with triple lockers too… and it’s DEAD RELIABLE and pretty much powerfull (not even counting the aftermarket potential) than that BMW disposable powertrain 😅
@jorgeluisburgoacosio9998 I wouldn't waste my breathe replying to someone that comments with ignorance lol. Yeah I abuse my jeep but it still has the original drive train. I bounce and spin the tires like no tomorrow over rocks. And all the doubt in the world, it has 200k lol. My friends all bought new trucks in 2013-2015, my 08 sahara they trashed talk so bad back then is now really well respected. It's honestly one of the hardest flexes throughout the years.
Yeah, price is the biggest issue with the Grenadier. Well that and lack of support and parts which is kinda crucial for an offroader. When people say, “yeah it’s 80K but Wranglers are getting up there now,” it’s not an apple to apples comparo. The Jeep at that price will have every bell and whistle. Hell I’ve seen some 392s mid-80s. The winch is a perfect example of the Grenadier’s problem- because of the design of the bumper there is only one winch that fits, and you have to buy it from Grenadier from the factory. And it’s a $5,000 option. 🤷♂️🤦♂️ and the base Grenadier has no locking diffs at all- for $70K! To get a properly offroad built one is mid 80s. They screwed the pooch with the pricing. I’ll keep my built Gladiator thanks.
@@dadventuretv2538 yeah the base Grenadier is certainly comparable to the Sport S by way of features without nearly as much aftermarket support. And if you spec a Sport S with a hard top, tow package and auto transmission, you're looking at about $48k. About $25k less than the Grenadier, with way more aftermarket support. To each his own, tho. I would never bash somebody for buying one, do what makes you happy (just don't squat it), but again, you're paying for exclusivity. Whether that's worth $20k-$30k more is up to you.
But then I’d have to drive a jeep. I think I just threw up in my mouth.
Whatever you do... don't call it a snorkel! 🤣
True.
As i have learned from Ronny Dahl: it's a raised air intake, not a snorkel and it doesn't change anything about the wading depth, but a lot in dusty conditions and convoy driving.
I’ve thought these were super cool since I learned about them but wow that seemed so unintuitive when locking up. The Bronco is stupid fast to activate everything and the fact you can lock the front alone is awesome.
I had a chance to drive them early on at the TX Off Roadeo before they were sold and tried out the front diff only on off camber muddy hills to have it claw up on a turn. It felt great!
Neat vehicle and If i had a couple million bucks, I might try one. BUT....I would not trade my Jeep Wrangler Rubicon for one. After 6 years and 90k miles, including 3x to Moab and all over the rest of the country, the lockers still engage almost immediately, the T-case engages quickly and properly into 4 low, and the sway bar disco operates quickly and smoothly. I would just go nuts waiting for all those things to work in the Grenadier. And wow, you have to sit there with the owners manual open like a pilot with a check list. Again, neat vehicle, but for that price, I´d be in a Rubicon with a 492. Great video! Love it!
Hello 👋 Guys,
I would really like to see a comparison between similar price point vehicles. Say...
Lexus GX 550 Over trail + vs the Ineos Grenadier.
A discussion on:
Pricing, Fuel type 87 or 93, real world mpgs, towing capabilities, off road capabilities, etc!
No one has really done that comparison on UA-cam yet!
Thanks
-Shane
i think the lockers work exactly as they should. Not being able to intuit exactly how 3 different systems lock is not a bug. Still loving the car.
If my job was testing 4wd vehicles, I think I'd make sure I knew how to drive off road
The bronco and all the ZR2 line up (new and old) all lock/ unlock thier lockers WAY easier!
Roman & Tommy need to adopt Case as their own child! lol He fits in perfectly.
Hi guys! In the past few videos where you’ve shown the vehicle’s info screen it appears that you’re off-roading on tires that are aired up to street pressure. May I ask if you do air down your tires? And, if not, why not? Thanks and ride on.
The Grenadier team could learn a lot from Ford about locking up differentials. Sometimes, in a predicament, you don't have the luxury of messing with a finicky 4x4 system to get you unstuck.
There is no issue withe diffs, just these guys having no ability to read instructions and press button twice and roll forward.
It´s all ready on 44"tires in Iceland !
You were guaranteed to lose traction at 17:57 as you turned the wheel triple locked. Turn off the axle lockers for turns then relock.
How can you expect axles to unlock when you’re turning and putting pressure on the lockers?!?
Also “off-roading” at 50 PSI?!
I said the new Tacoma looks delicate. Thank you for proving me right! This will reflect in the new Land Cruiser Prado, using the same platform
Wanted to write _but it's heavier_ initially. Then tried to research actual weights and found something i don't understand:
For years the Tacoma was a bigger, heavier version of the Hilux with the same components, which makes the drivetraincomponents less durable. (more stress than in the Hilux)
But this one, not only seems to not be a grown Hilux underneath, but as you said the same with the LC.
Now, at the company i work for, we have a LC "Prado" from 2022 and it's weight ready to drive is higher than the curb weight Toyota gives for the new Tacoma. I don't understand how that should work given the size difference... (there's a weight difference of around 300kg and our LC doesn't even have a rear locker and has a manual gearbox)
No car has ever gotten lighter... So if that part breaks at the lighter Car (Tacoma) it indeed makes it seem a bad omen for the upcomming LC...
@@nirfz The third gen Tacoma was not based on the platform used for the Hilux, as many people think, and has similar platform as the 5th gen 4Runner, GX 470 and current outgoing LC Prado. It used a more premium platform for the North American market and was always meant for North America's "lifestyle" type buyer, doing light work and light recreation use, where the Hilux is built on a simpler platform to be easier to maintain and last a long time in rough and rugged countries with harsh climates. deserts and jungles, including 3rd world countries.
Toyota has switched to what they call a "global platform" meaning every body-on-frame truck/SUV will share the same platform. So the new 2024 Tacoma, 2024 LC (250) Prado and 2025 6th gen 4Runner will ALL share the same platform and engine, which is a huge mistake IMO. If one fails, they all fail.
In the past, Toyota would use stronger parts on anything with the Land Cruiser name, because that logo is their reputation, but with a new younger CEO changing everything Toyota stood for, to be cheaper, I have a feeling Toyota is about to start a very significant decline.
@@lunamaria1048 Very Interesting.
I would not have expected the last gen to be based on the "Prado", as we have one of those in use at work (it doesn't get the Prado name here, it's just named Landcruiser as we don't get the bigger ones like AUS does), and it doesn't have the same 4wd/awd system. There is no 2wd option in the LC-"Prado" we have, for example.
It's a permanent awd with lockable center diff and low range. (our employer did not tick the rear diff option)
And the same is true of the upcomming Landcruiser "Prado". It also has no 2wd switch option.
So as far as i understand, the thing that supposedly broke, shouldn't be present in the Prado front diff then.
Can't say much about the quality ideas of Toyotas new boss, but if we go by what we can see with the GR Yaris, they do want to improove and make more reliable. (at the presentation of the new GR Yaris, they showed parts the customers and good Old Mr. Toyoda in his hobby racing were unsatisfied with, and they changed.)
@@nirfz Ohh, you aren't in North America. I'm in Canada. That makes sense. Even Canadians and Americas think the Tacoma is a western Hilux lol. I'm in Canada and there has not been a Land Cruiser sold here since the 80 Series was canceled here, in the 1990s. We didn't even have the big 200 Series LC like the US did (until recently), because it was too expensive to sell after import tax. We got the Prado as a mid-sized luxury Lexus GX, The FJ Cruiser and 5th 4Runner were both the exact same vehicle under the body and also used the same platform as the outgoing Prado.
I'm Japanese and my dad had a corporate career with Toyota Motor Corporation (Japan) for 17 years, before retiring and bringing is to Canada around the year 2000. He has predicted Toyota will face a very significant decline, because of bad choices and forced government emissions regulations. Their reputation is dependent on reliability. Toyota was affordable and would last 25 years. Now they are expensive and getting more complicated.
I am getting the GX 550 Overtrail, when it releases. I have had an FJ Cruiser (still own it since I was 16) and owned two 5th gen 4Runners, which are the exact same vehicle under the body. I am getting the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail, because the new LC is a turbocharged 4 cylinder mated to a hybrid system, in a big heavy body-on-frame truck. That is ok for cars, but heavy body-on-frame trucks need 6 cylinder, at least.
As for the Yaris, that is a totally different type of vehicle and much lighter platform. It is easy to make them reliable. Unfortunately for their body-on-frame trucks Toyota is currently putting all their eggs in one basket and banking off their reputation, with their new "global platform" method for all of their body-on-frame trucks and SUVs all using 1 platform and every midsized will have just one turbocharged 4 cylinder (some with hybrid, like the 2024 LC), and the GX 550 and all of their full-sized SUVs/trucks will all use the same turbocharged V6.
Toyota will have the Tacoma, new LC and 2025 4Runner all sharing the North American market, all the same vehicle with same platform and engine, with varied and expensive prices. The only difference between the Tacoma and new LC will be the hybrid system in the LC. The 6th gen 4Runner will just be an SUV Tacoma. Current models have different engines to make them distinct. Toyota is supposed to be affordable and reliable, but their vehicles are getting more complex and overpriced, losing sight of what they are supposed to be.
This is not a good move for Toyota.
@@lunamaria1048 Ah, thanks for the explanation!
Definitely want to see a comparison with Lexus GX 550 Overtrail ~ six cylinder turbo engines, same price range, etc.
It's nice to see an old school new vehicle with serious off road capability. It's not the best, but it's a good start if it proves to be reliable. My only negative is you can build a very capable jeep for 80k so not sure it's a "needed" vehicle. Different and fun is cool though if you have the bucks.
Great engine and trans combo, B58 and ZF 8. That will last 👍
Had that same back door arrangement on my 1988 Izusu Trooper (4cyl, 5speed manual), why they disappeared from the US market would make a good video.
I really like the grenadier. It didn't do too bad considering the tire (or should I say tyre) pressures.
Agreed ,dropping them down to even 30 PSI would make an absolute world of difference, a coworker of mine put a set of KO2's on his Jeep JK in November 2023 here in the centre of Canada and loves them, and the sidewalls are very stiff, he was running the seller recommended pressure of 45 PSI and dropped it down to 36 PSI and said what a world of difference it made in ride quality and almost no change in fuel economy, 👍
@9:48 I was thinking this is exactly how airplanes crash. lol
The visibility over the front is a big deal, but it doesn't translate into a spec number. I'm glad you mentioned it. Many new off road ers-especially trucks, that are getting a high flat hood making it tough to see obstacles. But gladiator/wrangler you can see just a few feet ahead of the vehicle. It adds a lot of confidence
really hope this is gonna end up like those original ZJ/WJ grand cherokees, expensive at first and dirt cheap 10-15 years later
I remember in my old 80 series landcruiser that the front and rear diff locks would take some time to engage/disengage. Not THAT long however, usually just 10-15 seconds maybe. I found that it helped if I was rolling slightly when attempting, Also, I'm wondering if Ineos requires the rear to be locked prior to the front being locked - thoughts?
Land Rover sh*t the bed with their new Defender (rated the least reliable vehicle on the planet). The previous Defender was a legendary off-road machine. So much so, the CEO of Ineos went to Jaguar/Land Rover and offered to buy the tooling to continue making it. They refused. So, being a multi-billionaire, he made one of his own...the Grenadier, named after the pub where he thought of it. It's what the new Land Rover Defender SHOULD have been. The only thing wrong with the Grenadier is the glaring lack of a manual transmission.
E lockers have a cam lock set of bearings have to ramp rolling forward turning slightly can help get it to engage
The solid axle is certainly a plus for off roading, which most of these will see driving past on the way to the mall or a soccer game with the kiddos.
Lockers work like in a G-wagon from about the year 2000. Sometimes it takes them a while to lock and unlock but you will get used to it and it will not bother you soon.
Laggy Dash Board, sloppy locker procedures and they're asking 80K+? For a brand nobody knows is crazy
14:16 Looks like at this point the Ineos is fully flexed. The articulation of the front suspension is quite abismal for being a solid front axle.
I would like to compare to a stock LR3 (the vehicle that the ineos is "based" on). From what i remember, they should have similar flex ammount.
Maybe my wording is harsh. This 4x4 is more for long adventures rather than rock crawling, so I think it will have a bias for drivability.
So are 70 series landsnoozers
Yeah definitely more of an overlander, but it’s beautiful and can handle itself. Wish it was starting at 45k at least though
It's due to the control arm design. It's not designed to flex like a jeep, it's designed to take a beating from hell.
The Bronco makes it really easy to lock and unlock diffs
Ford does in general. I could lock my F150 rear diff in and transfer case range and even moving. I never had to mess with being in Low range.
Built like a Wrangler, priced like a Mercedes...so great!