Is the Ineos Grenadier Is The Very Best Overlander of Them All?
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
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Owned my Grenadier for about a month. I live in a rural area and tell people it’s like driving a well built, well equipped tractor with highway gears. Time and long term reliability will decide if it’s worth the price and the unique quirks.
It's not worth the price, time is not part of that equation 😂
The BMW engine precludes time being on its side.
@@treyperkins2360 you mean the Toyota motor?
@@omardevonlittle3817 same could have been said about the previous gen Land Cruiser. In 2021 the Land Cruiser was still a 2008 model, while competitors at that price point were far more luxurious, had better fuel economy, better ride, better handling, better performance, updated technology. Yet look at used prices for that generation Land Cruiser vs its competitors today.
@@treyperkins2360All European offroad maniacs swap dead engines in their old land cruisers and patrols for BMW v6s.
TFL doing the promotional video that Ineos should have been doing from the start! (Taking it to Moab)
I agree with Roman regarding the Lexus vs. Grenadier mindset. I don't think you'll see the Lexus on the trails for 7-10 years. The Grenadier you'll see right away.
(I also agree with the bus reference. Big and floaty)
Yes bus good
I’ve never seen it on the trails and I’ve been on a good amount. I’ve seen more of them running around at Rodeo drive and the mall. Lol
@@kimpeter7934 id guess thats the same for 99% of 4x4s
When the new Toyota Land Cruiser overland is out, I expect a side by side Roman. Love the Ineos Grenadier series.
I’m with you Roman. A Prevost Motorcoach is very comfortable. The Converted Prevost Coach is extremely smooth. Musicians and NASCAR use them religiously for the very reason of comfort.
But the breakover angle is a deal breaker.😉
A coach bus is very heavy, has a long axel distance and air suspension., They eat up bumps in the road and float down highways.
I'm with Roman on both counts, Coaches are comfortable, and the design intent of a vehicle changes how you feel using it.
I’m a trucker and a car enthusiast so I’m always looking for interesting vehicles on the road. I saw my first grenadier on a hotshot trailer in Florence Kentucky last week. I’ve been following these for a bit and to see one in the states was a very cool sighting
Roman is right!!! I’ve spent my entire adult life on tour buses (on big rock tours), and they’re insanely comfortable. Nothing beats a 45 foot Prevost with the Elvis room in the back.
In Australia you can select a “permanent off” setting for the speed alarm. I’ve owned mine since early November 2023 and I’m very happy with the decision to buy a grenadier. If you’re parting with your cash I recommend going for the two tone leather heated seats. It makes the car feel luxurious given you’re spending a fair bit of coin anyway. Seat covers are the solution for when you are heading towards red dust😂 BTW it’s a very comfortable car for driving long distances in a day both on or off road.
I love this series. Very interesting and informative.
Roman, that speed warning in only in the MY24, so sorry for you. I do own a MY23 in Germany, driven about 16,000 miles in 6 months and I have to say the Grenadier is just a wonderful beast for overlanding. The best thing you can currently purchase with the most needed options directly configured from the factory. Love your videos!
I pulled my GX550 order and picked up an available Trialmaster Grenadier a couple months ago. So far it has been a great decision!
After having off-roaded and owned many Jeeps, Land Cruisers, 4Runners, FJ's and GX's, (and a Patrol GU & LC 105 in Australia), I feel like the Grenadier is a combo of some of the best off roaders and a great alternative to not having the 70 Series Toyota Land Cruisers here in the states.
The aftermarket is really taking off with the Grenadier as well. Some of the niggles mentioned in the reviews about the speed warning or steering feel have validity, but honestly after 2 months of ownership you get used to the work arounds and driving experience. I have no reservations about ownership so far and highly encourage folks to take a test drive.
Watching the three of you swaying about in the Grenadier like a set of dogs bollocks having a great time! 😅 Great content keep it coming!
Roman is thinking of those touring-style busses. Those are crazy expensive and super comfortable..
Those are what famous musicians, bands and ultra-wealthy people tour around in..
Roman, that’s because OnX originally just ported over funtreks trail details without running the trails. They just made up numerical ratings because funtreks uses easy, moderate, difficult. OnX is starting to have people run trails, but the software is still full of errors and it could get users in trouble. You guys do what you want, but unless OnX improves, your viewers will eventually find out it’s not good software.
I agree with Roman, on multiple accounts. Nice coach buses are super comfortable, they have air ride and just float down the road. And I think more first owners of the grenadier are going to have them off road a lot sooner than first owners of the GX. I think stock for stock the GX Overtrail may be more capable, but I think the compromises in amenities in the Grenadier means that people who buy them are going to be more task focused on off-roading and overlanding.
I can't believe Tommy doesn't know the difference between a coach and a bus. Coaches are extremely smooth and comfortable to drive. They're so smooth in fact, they're the only vehicles I get motion sickness in. The luxury ones just float.
I agree with Roman.. the Ineos says take me off road but the Lexus GX says take me shopping or take a family on a ski trip
I bit confused on price comment, base Ineos Grenadier Trailmaster is $79,190 and Lexus GX550 Base Overtrail+ is $77,2501. Base Ineos Grenadier is 71K vs Base Overtrain is $69,250. When I looked at Land Cruiser First Edition it been hard to see any with out Dealer Markup last price I saw $95K, this would get you fully loaded Grenadier Tailmaster with Winch, rock rail, comfort pack and upgraded wheels.
If you look at the equipment you get with the 550 Overtrail vs the Grenadier base - you'll see that the Lexus comes with A LOT more capability and comfort. Better all around vehicle IMO.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit I am not so sure, Each have the plus and minus.. I am sure locally we see Dealer markups on 550. For sure the 550 is much better Road Car, with IFS front end. I expect to be since core model is focused on this trait, which the Overtrail is built from. Cash outlay they both is a wash. Both have about same fuel efficacy.
This is all pointless. The only comparable vehicle to Ineos is G Wagon.
You guys have a great channel in spite of Roman!
Here in Australia we can use the extra in-grill headlights with our high beam lights on the open road. We can also order a roo bar. Unfortunately the GPS does not yet cope with GPS satellites in the southern hemisphere!
100% with Roman on this one.
Lexus has no business off road. And besides that, it's IFS so it WILL break when under stresses where solid front axles will not.
It's just a fact. And why solid front axle vehicles (from any brand) are sought after by those who simply don't want to worry about it.
I agree with Roman, a Lexus doesn’t encourage you to go off roading but this and a wrangler do.
Even if the Wrangler is a 392 and cost $100,000 you still want to take it off road.
Love this channel
Both Nathan and Roman look old-school cool here 😎
Roman has a great point in this video regarding the "mindset" that a vehicle puts you in - quite an insightful statement, and absolutely true. For most people presented with both the Grenadier and the GX550 and asked to pick one for primarily overland use would likely feel less worried, apprehensive, concerned, about damaging the vehicle if they went with the Grenadier. You can do the test yourself by imagining how you would classify a scratch on the Grenadier vs the GX550. On the Grenadier, most people may think of it as a scar and adding character, and on a GX550, it would likely be viewed as damage to be repaired.
Now this is only if you're going to cross-shop the vehicles, which most people won't. If Toyota brought in the 70-series wagon, then for sure the GXL version would be cross-shopped with the Grenadier, but the 70 series would never be cross-shopped with the GX550.
A Toyota 70 series is absolutely not comparable to a Grenadier. That’s just a completely different animal. They don’t even life on the same planet.
@@Gemini_0815 It would be so nice if people would read and understand comments prior to responding. They're comparable only in the mindset of the drivers. Someone purchasing either a LC70 Wagon GXL or a Grenadier would, in their mindset created by those vehicles, be much more open to tolerating visible wear and tear on their brand new vehicle, than someone driving off the lot in their brand new GX550 Overland. Of course, there are exceptions and people with significant financial resources that feel ok trashing everything they own...
@@Gemini_0815 A Grenadier is a nicer 70 series with a coil conversion and track correction and custom seats and everything else people do to 70 series to make them livable.
A 70 series is a 40 year old vehicle. Its design is from the late 1970s! To compare this to a LC 70 shows that you have absolutely zero technical insight in these cars. Everything about the grenadier is modern tech. The transmission, the engine, the suspension, the body, the chassis… Everything. In contrast, almost everything on the J7 is 40 years old. The engine and transmission are about the most modern component, but even those are not even close to the Grenadiers powertrain. The J7 Body has corrosion protection which lasts 1 year before visible corrosion starts. Come on people. Be realistic.
G-Wagons can be had in the $40k range used now. With triple lockers
Nice video. The fence sitters are waiting for a long term review. Keep them coming.
You guys are hilarious (in a really good way) 😂 funny and informative.
Strange I never had a bus down as super comfy. Tomorrow I’m going to leave my Mercedes S class at home and take the bus 😂🤣 I deserve some comfort 😊
Great video - keep doing what you do 🙌🙌
the bass in this video has my neighbors wondering if we are under attack...
Yeah, my sub was going non-stop.
I've seen a couple of pop top campers (Like a Ursa Minor for Jeep) available for the Grenadier. That would make for a incredible overlander.
I need to get out there again!!!
100% on the coach and the off-road mindset vs Lexus/GWagon. They are busting Roman’s bal$$ but he is spot on.
Politicians also use a bus to travel around the country and meet and greet. Tour busses are great as long as you stay on the pavement.
I agree with Roman both on bus and on the Lexus. I’ve road in plenty of Greyhound motor coaches and can attest
Where do you take it to get it serviced? Can one do oil changes themselves?
Can't wait to see the head to head with the Ineos vs the GX550
How long till owner clubs and jamborees are a thing ?
The ALCAN 5000 Rally is the event in Alaska you were thinking of.
A bus, you guys crack me up!
On the Lexus, they’re all going to come in that same price range - they will have a ton of posh features the Grenadier doesn’t have, but Grenadier owners are paying for the frame and the axles and and the overbuilt connectors etc. Most GX 550’s are not going to be Overtrails, and most of them will never touch a dirt road. It’s not a knock on capability- it’s just a reality of how most will be used, the price of most of them, and the features that will attract a certain kind of buyer.
Agree with Roman - how are you going to feel about a limb scratching your Lexus vs Inios? A little trail rash wouldn’t look out of place on the Grenadier but would destroy the resale of a Lexus.
Wonder how hard it will be to get parts to rebuild an axle in 5, 10, 15 years... or just a simple pinon seal. Maybe easy, maybe unobtanium. That kinda of stuff might nag at me as I tend to own my vehicles more than 10 years and I do as much heavy wrenching repair as I can.
It's mostly a Gwagon underneath and everything is sourced from established European part makers.
So many really cool cars for '24 that we can't get our hands on. Sadly most will sit in garages and get filled with groceries and kids like the Rover Gang.
When will you do a tow test with it?
I would love to see the following comparisons done:
Grenadier vs Sequoia TRD Pro, Land Cruiser First Edition and GX550 Overtrail+ .
In NW Indiana we don't have mark-ups at my local Toyota dealership. So, for $80k ish price range, it covers them all.
Also, for fuel type, Toyota's are 87 oct. GX 550 is 93 oct. What fuel is Grenadier running?
Thank you,
-Shane
Diesel
@@austinneice3813 US doesn't get Diesel option!
I like that car.
I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention the small gas tank. Especially for an overlander. Aside from that, I hate the steering and BMW shifter.
The steering is very puzzling. I hope it’s something they correct in the upcoming models.
It has a ZF 8 speed transmission. As does the Jeep Wrangler. So, is it the same transmission?
I believe the zf in the Ineos is similar to the zf you’ll find on bmw products, but differs from the one in the wrangler
ZF is a large company and makes more than one transmission.
Are we gonna see and ike guanlet with the grenadier?
Roman, buses are not comfortable, even the best coaches are ok, but wouldn't say they're comfortable especially if you're sitting above a wheel. Ouch. However, your point about the mindset of the Lexus vs Ineos owner is spot on.
Nice editing. Nice extra bits of interest to see other than just dirt on the trail. Said a lot about the IG in other videos, so, won't recap again. Roman, you had me with the honest reveal that On-X Off Road trail rating is tainted. Moab rating that trail lower is a more accurate opinion (if there is such a thing) than what On X gave it. I maintain, we need specificities to how these rating criteria come about. A lot of articulations, deep holes, terrain/soil is loose, muddy, etc. I 100% agree with the fact that there are a LOT of vehicles that would have smoothed that trip out big time. The IG is better suited for short difficult trips. Where you need the lockers. The trail you were on, obviously all 3 of you were bobbing around like bobble heads. I won't even go into all the different vehicles that would have been more compliant for that trip.(not the point here I know) Roman, I agree with your opinion about the d/c sway bar would have helped that situation. But you lost me when you tried to compare a bus to this thing. lol I don't know if you think of the most off point examples on purpose or you just don't match up things easily. lol
Typo in the title?
Cummins diesel with a 8 speed auto would be the best fit
My only concern is parts and repairs in remote international places. How is Ineos answering to this?
Can’t wait for these to be $40k soon 😁
TFL, Did you sell your Grenadier already?
More importantly, I’m going to Moab with my Bronco Raptor next week, what route did you take? Lol
They are really cool but no way I could justify 80 grand for that when my tacoma was 41k. Tacoma I am sure is more reliable to. Probably holds value better. I agree with Roman, the long wheelbase smooths it out. I have the dbl cab longbed tacoma and its smooth.
This is maybe the most interesting vehicle to launch this year. Reliability will only prove itself (or not) or time. The fact this vehicle is kind of a conglomeration of parts and different not only manufacturers but also countries could prove troublesome if parts start to fail. Seems very well built and I’m interested to see the long term.
Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about in terms of automotive supply chains. Especially in Europe.
@@jedrzejgorski5437 well we don’t live in Europe sir. Supply chains across the pond aren’t all that reliable here
@@user-zg5ch8nw8j But you don't bring up the same argument as to 4Runner made in Japan. do you?
@@jedrzejgorski5437 Japan isn’t Europe and there are literally thousands more 4Runners made and sold than a new company with one vehicle.
@@user-zg5ch8nw8j And we get back to the starting point regarding supply chains. The EU is just one economy without borders so the argument about multiple suppliers' countries is strange. Especially given that that's exactly what legacy suppliers do - source parts all over the world from exactly the same suppliers - especially Magna which
produces G Wagon, designed Grenadier and will also produce Fusilier for Ineos. Plus Ineos is not some shell startup relying on venture capital that would go belly up like another incarnation of Fisker and many other new automotive companies built from scratch. It's a industrial giant. Just like Xiaomi, another giant, with SU7 designed and produced by BAIC, another legacy producer akin to Magna. The technical support will be there -i n the worst case scenario, in any BMW dealership.
I think your title needs editing on the video?
Cheers Pat 🇦🇺
So, you have tested the Defender. You have tested the Range Rover. You have tested the Grenadier. Which British SUV will you test next, the Cullinan or the Bentayga? I would love to see the Cullinan taken to Moab and, of course, you then won't wince at a paltry $80 grand.
On a serious note, it's really interesting to see your review and I hope that, as part of whatever you sell it for, the next owner is required to make regular updates, as, to my mind, what you are really paying for is longevity. That was certainly what Ineos were pitching over here in the UK.
Where is this location you drove?
Moab Utah
Moab is a big place. What’s the trail?
Reminds you of a defender? How about the Mercedes G Wagon? 😮
So overpriced to even funny. G wagon is a waste of money
Sounds like you guys need to test a proper coach bus and see what that air suspension and wheelbase do for your rear ends. Nobody always agrees with Roman lol but I agree with his sentiments about proper busses and proper off-roaders. Until this gen of GX, Lexus has always left it to the aftermarket to give the GX proper ground clearance, approach, departure, and break over without breaking off a ton of plastic. This new GX looks better suited to leave pavement, but that does not mean new Lexus owners are gonna suddenly look at their GX like they would a wrangler or bronco (something roman and I think Ineos owners do)
Seems better than a Land Cruiser but reliability would be its deficit
What happened to the Grenadier?
“Please don’t put your trash here”😳…………..as you leave a card on the pile?!! 😂😂🤦🏽♂️
Should have briefed Nathan off-camera, then we wouldn't have to hear all the details once again...just drive the thing....maybe a proper off-road trip.
They didn’t have time … Roman was busy introducing us to the new ford ranger raptor for the second time after Andre ??
I guess Roman wanted some more screen time
I'm still waiting for someone to do a head to head with the Grenadier and a Wrangler. They're really the only two SUVs you can buy new with two solid axles. But, people seem to not want to compare them directly.
Is INEOS afraid that a $20k cheaper Wrangler will do all the same things?
Yeah, but now you’ve got a Jeep🤣
How much could they have liked it if they already sold it?
City buses suck. But any long range bus I've ever taken was fine. I'm not sure it's all about wheel base though lol
I thought you guys were overlanding. It looks like you guys were just offroading. No Nathan and Tommie cuddling in a tent or anything..like Andre and David in the Buhanka😊
TBL - The Bus Lane
Are y’all going to tow with it?
No trailer hitch. I can't believe they bought one without a trailer hitch. Supposedly the ones with trailer hitches are delayed. That is the only reason I can think of for TFL to skip the trailer hitch.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt that’s right I forgot about that
U guys are not covering the customer service warranty issues that owners are experiencing
They spent more time comparing the Grenadier to a Lexus and buses/limos than actually reviewing the overlanding capability
Can you guys clarify the horns one more time...
They said when they were going to be about half the price when they first showed them off and I know people that put money down and now have canceled their order because of it. No thanks! Keeping my Rubicon.
When considering the “best” I consider all things including value. Value means initial cost, and cost of replacement parts. That is an area where this vehicle fails.
Quite a bit of head bob there…
Solid front axles may articulate more but the also throw you around more than IFS
wish I was wealthy
Love ya guys but I expect better from tfl on a Saturday.
Really?!?! Nathan is pretty darn funny in this review. If you expect us to drive this to Alaska than maybe you help the pay for these reviews by joining our Patreon.
Get out of the bus zone, bro
If I do everything to a Tacoma off-road to make it as capable, I'll be over the 80K mark. The forecast price of the Trailhunter is 65k ish. All the bs add on and mark ups voila it's 80k.
Prevost
Anything else than Toyota like reliability will make this an unsustainable ownership experience. The first recall will be very telling. Equipping a grenadier for over landing will be amazingly expensive vs equipping a 4Runner.
Very jealous of the beautiful country you have there.
Roman is trying to justify the price he paid, I'm still not convinced that this huge truck is good for off-roading, good try Roman.
Every time the Land Rover company, see this car they lose their appetite ❤
I do not take Lexus seriously as an off road overlanding rig what so ever. For the same reasons as you mentioned. Not because they are precious because I personally think they are over priced rubbish. But because they seem as though they are just putting a few accessories on their suvs and calling them off roaders. I also think the screen and ridiculous gear select computer looking joystick in the Enios is disappointing
My GX460 is good enough for me 😉
How is this any of these insights trusted given that Magna literally sponsors these videos and also engineers the Grenadier? Just asking how do they maintain any objectivity?
Excellent question.
With the Land Cruiser 70 series still made and available in most of the world the Grenadier can only be second-best.
Anything with an automatic is not ideal for Overlander long distances multiple countries in the world.
I disagree with Roman .. I'd feel more uncomfortable taking an 80k vehicle off road as opposed by a 68k with a national dealership.. Roman is tripping.
I actually think he’s right - all the money on the Grenadier is in stuff like the frame, axles, etc. Everything is really stripped down. You wipe it off or hose it out - even the paint is easy to spot fill - don’t have to take it down to metal. Trail pinstripes are a badge on honor, not a defect. Even at a lower price for the GX Overtrail, I think most of those owners will sweat the small stuff (no matter how hard they pretend, they’ll always have that Lexus badge in front). And most of the GX 550 owners will probably be picking trims or packages that put it equal to or above a Grenadier.
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc I'll disagree, but respect your opinion!!
Roman doesn’t make any sense keep him off camera make him a full time camera man
Put Roman on the retirement home bus 😂
Has Nathan ever purchased a vehicle over 45k in his life?
Don't like the shifter
Don't like the screen resolution
Don't like the fact that there is no screen for the driver
Very expensive for you get
No.there are not enough body options, the landcruiser and proper Defender are better, they need to have a chassis cab option, single and double, in rhd with the wheel on the proper side, there is a big hump, which from what I've seen on UA-cam can be uncomfortable on long journeys,