@@mattwill63 lmao the full caps. Crvs are decent little cars but not as capable as an actual 4x4. I have a second gen nissan pathfinder that drives super well. Actually i have 2 because i like them so much
@@mattwill63 yeah or five decent 4 runners. Or 4 super nice supered up crvs. Yeah You should get an army of 400hp turbo charged crvs lmao. My pathfinder are both manuals and have 250 hp they are fast and great off road. Also less than 5k
For as hyped as this vehicle deservingly is, very level headed and reasonable discussion with Adam. Didn't want a marketing video, wanted to learn about the truck. You guys delivered! Good job 👍
Adam's knowledge about many things is above and beyond some car tester's knowledge! If I was Ineos, I would have sponsored him one... Small issues doesn't faze him and he has a deep understanding of cars and off-roading. Even calls the "snorkel" a raised air intake which it is exactly! I will watch any review he does on any car!
yes like. it its utilitarian for us car campers , off roaders, overlanders , than a 3 row luxury Family school bus independent rear axle as most mid size / full size Sport utility vehicle's have become
A fully kitted out Yukon XL will run you just over 100k. For what this provides in terms of off road ability it seems competitive in its market (Lexus GX Overtrail ~80k)...with that said, 80 is a lot for a car
Tommi/Adam absolutely fantastic video , you couldn't have gotten a better person to interview than Adam he is in the community of off-roading and gave a great review of his Grenadier, and the roller test shows how much work Ineos has put into the system, i have to say top draw all the way and with the USA being the biggest market give it a year and they will be everywhere 👍
Had mine for 7 months, 12k miles, loads of offroading, towing and roadtrips. No issues. Built like a tank. Anyone who doubts this thing, go to a dealership, and lay underneath it. Its seriously strong.
@lloydswartz7354 Yeah, all the weight in this vehicle is in its running gear. Overbuilt everything. That's why it's expensive. you're paying for quality components underneath, not just cheap screens and tech that, in reality, cost manufacturers very little.
I love mine. Picked up before Christmas and was worth the multi-year wait. I don’t have nearly as many miles as Adam, but enjoying it all the same. Agree with Adam, the price is a hard swallow, but a “built up” anything else will run the same range.
my trialmaster spec'd out at 130k Cdn but tfb it's pretty much loaded up. My biggest concern is that there are only 2 announced dealers in Canada. I was a day one reservation holder too but I haven't heard anything from my dealer yet but service availability remains a concern.
I wrote a new post regarding the owner having a 'favorites link' (?) for turning off the speed indicator noise or something? What did he mean exactly? Is it too many settings to remember how to turn this off? Unsure?
At 1st I thought it was a Land Rover clone. It could also pass for a G-Wagen. Glad they did such a great job on it. I can also understand the center display instrument cluster. Makes it easier to build for both LH drive and RH drive countries, much like the classic Mini. Plus, it keeps costs down. Most definitely an interesting vehicle.
tbh after 3 days of driving, you get used to it, especially if you drive with the flow of traffic. AND it give you a ton of room to look down the hood of the vehicle and frees up visability.
Except most people and many owners Want a screen ahead of the steering wheel at least for speed and temp and important safety warnings, indicator lights etc.
I like the way you guys sneakily placed the 80 series in the background during the slip test. As one of the heritage vehicles that likely influenced the Grenadier it was an appropriate nod to those who came before.
@@matthewp9015 no doubt the demise of the Defender spurred the Ineos quest to build such a vehicle. Ineos themselves did however give direct nod to the greats that came before including Landrover, Land Cruiser, and Gelandewagen.
Great review. Very in depth and interesting to hear the owners honest feedback and it seems like a solid choice. Four concerns I would have in no particular order: 1) price of admission is really expensive. 2) warranty/dealer support/recalls. It’s never perfect, but flat bedding a dead vehicle for hundreds of miles isn’t appealing and gets complicated and expensive quickly 3) Proven longevity. First model year is always risky, even for a refresh model 4) Fuel efficiency. 12-19 mpg (without towing) as a daily driver would be costly for most, going on an over landing trip would require careful planning with extra fuel requirements. Best advice and thoughts; drive it and enjoy it. It would be interesting to hear back from the owner 6 months from now.
My response from someone who owns one in my family... 1. Starting at $72k, it's not horrible. It's way less than an imported and modified defender or new Gwagon. Anything decent these days will start at 55k. Look at the new land cruiser. Starts mid 50s but we know it will be marked up. Heck even new broncos in dallas at the dealership start at 65k, at least the ones in the front of the dealership. They even had one with options priced at 80k. 2. Yeah that sucks, but should improve. 3. My dad bought one, and he's concerned but absolutely loves it. 4. No worse than an G Wagon.
I'm with you on this one...for the price, MPGs, support, performance, and unknown potential reliability...there's no way I'd buy this over the new Land Cruiser: better MPGs, better support, much less expensive, Toyota reliability (still a 1st gen here, so somewhat unknown, but still far less concerned), the iForce Max is so much more potent as well. Some ppl call out the solid front axle as being "the thing" for the Ineos, but unless it's a dedicated technical rock crawling machine, there is no real benefit here (IFS will be miles better on paved, dirt, washboard, baja type roads) + you'd really need a large lift and bigger tires to get any flex benefit (and you'd absolutely be cutting into those wheel wells for this).
@@jamisonjamisonxengine and trans wise should already be known considering its still straight out of bmws(although this one with the bmw i6 has been detuned in power for reliability) so that shouldn't be hard to find At all. Everything else is up in the air till issues prop up.
I love how knowledgeable this owner is. I love a lot of things about this vehicle. I would be a bit concerned about parts availability and warranty support. If I break an axle shaft on my Wrangler, I can easily get a replacement pretty much anywhere. If I had one of these, it would see just as much trail time as my Jeep does. Which would be really my only concern with this over a Wrangler.
Until now I really liked the idea of a Grenadier but now I really, really want one. Also, I've been following TFL* for many years and this video is one of the best Adam is the ideal presenter (hope TFL have made him an offer) for anything Land Rover and now also Ineos-related, he has the whole nine yards backstory to accurately compare and I loved his description of the original Defender (growing up the family car was a 1963 Series II A LWB). Bottom line I have to reconsider the 2018 Wrangler JL in the garage and do some comparison shopping and $ for feature reality checks. Thanks as always to TFL and Tommy. Brilliant!
I test drove a Grenadier about a month ago here in Houston, but did not buy. It is a fun vehicle and a wonderful first effort. My opinion for what it is worth: It need to be lifted. I think it sits way to low. The center console screen seems wholly inadequate to be responsible for everything. Way too small and I did not like looking over at it to see where my speed was. I would have rather had zero screen, a normal dash with all analog gauges and an old school radio. That may seem crazy, but people love simplicity. Look at everyone’s love affair with the Land Cruiser 70’s series. Basic and reliable. I could live with the small screen in the center and not having a normal gauge cluster if they had given us a heads up display. (That may have been a challenge with the angle of the windshield.) I have a heads up display in my truck and I look at that more than my gauges below. I did not notice any crazy or abnormal beeping from lane issues that were discussed with the video, but maybe I didn’t stray much that day. There are definitely blind spots in this vehicle, but I would forgive those and these days with lane change warnings it isn’t a huge deal. Power seemed fine when driving. Drivers coming from Land Rover will love the quirks and forgive things that break on this vehicle. Toyota owners may convert to Enos after they prove themselves. See you in 300k miles……I hope.
I'm starting to see a lot of these on the road in the UK and they look really cool. Its great they are coming to the US as the original Defender 110 wasn't an option. (and this looks to drive much better!)
Adam, like most of the car enthusiast that come on your channels seems like an incredibly happy good focused person who really likes their vehicle. Except for the binnacle, not in front of the driver, I’m holding off full judgment until you guys get your hands on one and we see what it’s like after six months and some long-distance trips and some definite off-road use on those wonderful trails you go on.
Joe public would have no idea what a Grenadier is. Most knowledgeable car people would say it’s a MB G-Wagon. I love that it uses an old school ignition key, has a sewing machine smooth inline 6 motor and is built like a tank. That door shut “thud” was very satisfying. It well remains elusive in the US due to the $73k + selling price. I can see this being a 250,000 mile vehicle before any major service is required.
I am interested.... if this thing can go for over 200k miles then it is worth it. It is different, I was interested in the Defender, but longevity was a concern. Wonder how the Grenadier holds up. Those seat covers are really nice though!
Great video... I have had my Grenadier for less than a month... an amazing 6,886 kilometres in a month... Our Grenadier is positively brilliant... Yes, I have a few minor niggles and software things, but overall ... Brilliant ... odd warnings, but then I did not read the manual. I have owned a 200 Series Landcruiser and, years back, an old Landrover. The Grenadier - now known as "Cedric" is exactly what I wanted... Love it and most importantly - so does the Co-driver!
That should have been posted as a "dude I love or hate my ride"! Great video though Tommy! Nice when owners know their stuff too. The one bit of info I'm still waiting to learn is the American GVWR and Payload.
wow, great stuff... pity he wasn't able to get a diesel over there... Biggest issue i heard in UK has been steering feel on road... but i love that they built this thing...
Had mine for 12k miles now in the UK, steering feel on road is perfectly fine. At speed it's really solid and stable. The wheel doesn't return to centre aggressively at low speed but honesty you get used to it in 5 minutes
Had a drive in a right hand drive one before Christmas. The problem I had was the catalytic converter intrudes into the drivers space, just where I would rest my left foot, to the extent that I could not get comfortable. Having said that I am tall , 190cm, 6"3"". Some one smaller might not find it such a problem.@@DerSnipOr
I really like mine and mirror alot of the same thoughts. No regrets so far but time will tell. I am pushing for 30yrs ownership. Sounds a little crazy but my 2 main dailies are 29yrs and 34yrs old and still rocking. I have no doubt my Trialmaster will push well past that age.
I tested this vehicle a couple of days ago. Maybe this car is good for the UK, but I think in Australia it will not last long. This is not a Toyota LC 70-series or an old version of the Nissan Patrol. It looks and feels more like an expensive toy than a real off-road machine.
@@australia-ukraine yeah I'm very doubtful the B58 is tough enough for this application. We all know it's one of the best BMW engines ever and can handle high speeds and more power... but does that translate to the extreme abuse of low range and everything that comes with off-roading.
The windshield cracks have been seen on several owners videos which is interesting. The rake of the windshield is so straight I can only imagine this headache happening so often.
This thing is awesome. All the offroader anybody would ever need. I love the looks, the overhead switch gear is so cool. Simple overhead pop-open windows, inline 6... Two things that are terrible is the Euro-sedan shifter (seriously, wtf) and the lack of gauges over the steering wheel. So dumb to have the most utility utility ever and then no gauges. This really has to stop. My gauge cluster shows everything and is right there all the time. No digging around in a screen out of my line of sight for my transmission temp. So ridiculous. Besides those two things, you bet I'd keep it for 10 years too. Looks super fun to drive. 86 grand is not bad against the current prices of stuff. It sucks, but that's the price of nice trucks now.
Ineos’s biggest problem is that you can’t run a successful automotive car company with just one vehicle type, in three different forms. Tesla has several different types of cars and a ute???? Land Rover has Defender , Discovery, and Range Rover with numerous adaptations, sports, velar, equoue, etc etc. Ineos with just three basic models ain’t gonna survive!!! Gr8 video!!! Regards Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿👍
i had no idea i wanted this till i saw the video now I'm going down the rabbit hole of gathering all the information on it I can, we have a dealer in CO Springs so not even to far drive.
In the earliest Series Landrovers ( before it was rechristened with the jingoistic Defender moniker) the largest engines were old Rover sixes , solid smooth and torquey - but not powerful!
Excellent video and top-notch presentation! Your new Grenadier owner (Adam?), reveals himself as a Land Rover owner of the old school. Those folks, literally every single one of them, men and women alike, that I knew back in the 1960's and into the mid-1980's, were well schooled in what Land Rovers (i.e. the Series vehicles pre-Defender nameplate) in why they purchased, owned and drove Land Rovers rather than ANY other vehicle from ANY other manufacturer. I suspect most "Land Rover Defender" buyers in this day and age in the United States make their purchases because of the curb appeal and status the vehicle and its historical image brings with it. "Adam" appears to have considerable product knowledge about not only Land Rover's products, but about the new Grenadier as well. Watching this video, listening carefully to what Adam and Tommy had to say, makes me thankful my wife threw cold water on my out of control desire to purchase a new 2023 left-over Jeep Gladiator. My wife, Debbie, is an accountant. She's heard mention to the "new Grenadier" for the last several years. What she has not yet heard from me is that Ineos will soon have a pickup version of the Grenadier for sale on the U.S. market! I'll admit to a long-term prejudice against all-things BMW. This goes back to the 1960's and Max Hoffman. Said prejudice goes back to the Rover 2000TC vs the BMW 2002. Bias and prejudice is very bad; it can last for decades. Until today, and this video, I was not about to seriously consider a Grenadier just because of its BMW engine. Thank you, Tommy, TFL, and Adam for bringing me into the 21st Century! Andy McKane, 4 January 2024, Maunaloa, Hawaii.
Quality wise, from what I've been hearing this is a good risk vs Land Rover. Only because Land Rover has a problematic reputation... I am rooting for the Grenadier but at the same time I'm gonna give it a year or two out in the hands of the public and see how the entirety of the experience plays out..
The loaded version is 95K. The goodies are amazing. Must have all the options to enjoy. The 30/70 rear doors are a great selling point for me. No competition. Add the WoldBox 300 series rear view mirror. It will take front and rear video 24/7.
Driving D.C. to Philly is like a 2.5 - 3 hour drive. If it requires a lot of warranty work, that would drive me crazy... and that's assuming the vehicle doesn't need to be towed in. More power to him if he can deal with it. It's his time and money.
This is why I’d never own one. I don’t have a local dealer, and let’s be honest, this will not be reliable. It is a brand new car from a brand new manufacturer. It is expected.
I’m a Jeep guy. But this is pretty neat and good competition for other off road vehicles. Would be interesting to see the comparison videos I’m sure are coming. It looks cool. Agree with diesel if it were to come. An interesting point though is my JK with 38” tires and 4.5” lift gets the same gas mileage… I average 14-16 mpg on mixed city/highway.
I wonder what tow ratings it has with that i6 but yeah the economy is poor there must he some benefit? Jeeps been at it a long time I get 19 in my 2 door soft top manu jk on 35s rubicon
Nobody slip tests like you! Make it a branch of the channel, all of the slip test channels suck, badly maintained rollers, not aligned correct, inconsistent testing, your on another level, making the content i want, thank you, know your talent and care is noticed
Cant wait for them to hit the second hand market and hopefully at a reasonable price, over the years i had a series iia , a 300tdi , a td5 , and have a 110 puma right now . I can see the grenadier been the next . Really is what i wish landrover did and totally see why ineos built it.
I have a Sela Green Trialmaster with the steelie wheels, roof rack, NO safari windows on order. This made me feel better about my choices, including the lack of safari windows.
Looks like a dual band antenna on the back? Is Adam a Ham? Glad he stopped by an let y'all use his new ride to give us some insight. There are so many things I like about the INEOS stuff, and so many things I have concerns about. I can't wait to see what time shows us about these vehicles.
Saw one driving the streets of Fresno ca. Glad they’re popping up here now. would love to see more of these. They look awesome here’s to hoping they last a while
On the fence between the Ineos and the Lexus GX550 Overtrail. Price wise the Ineos is more and after watching Brad at his Trail Recon channel and getting stuck on some familiar trails in the Ineos and having to engage lockers I’m again leaning towards the Lexus GX550 Overtrail. I think I would say buying an Ineos with the rough pack is a must for any off-roading that I’d be doing. Hopefully there will be a GX550 vs Grenadier soon. Great commentaryand testing from both the channel and the Ineos owner. Appreciate it very much
I drove by our Ineos dealer here in Canada last week and saw them in stock, on the ground and in the showroom. But, they were closed for the Holidays. I look forward to sitting in one next week. I am sure this company will last. It is owned by Billionaire Jim Ratcliffe, the richest man in the UK, and Ineos earned $55 Billion in 2022, so I'm certain that they are on solid ground. This is a real automobile company.
The owner gave a great review. I don't agree with some of his thoughts on the old defender. 200 or 300tdi motors are better than the gas V8. More reliable and much more economical. I drove a Grenadier off road. I'm sticking with my LR4 and old school defender.
Thansk for sharing this! The whole time I kep thinking this was JoN Rettinger's brother. I love that vehicle despite having absolutely no need for it. Then again I would love to own a classic defender with some (and I do mean some0 modern upgrades.
It's not a new company per se. They exist as a company and thriving business since decades. The first offroad they produce is already thebest 4x4 on the market. The vehicle is from the UK but European in the make. The testing period had been thorough with prototypes on all continents prior to production fixing issues. The distribution channel and relationship with the after market is smart. The Grenadier had already disrupted the market. It is build to be durable. It conquers hearts. Gray review, enjoyed it.
Should have done that slip test on opposite tires. I'm really excited about this rig, but I saw in the Trail Recon review the truck really struggled when the rear right tire didn't have good traction. The conclusion was engaging the losers was a must for big ruts. Also sway bar dissconnect is a missing feature.
10:55 Looks like he picked up a crack on his windshield. My bet is it happened in WA State. Crazy how common this is here with 3 of my 4 cars having windshield dings or cracks. When I was living in the southeast I never remember that happening.
So you want the reliability of a Lexus GX and the looks of a land Rover. Well I hope it works out. It would be nice to have some more jeep competition, competition creates ingenuity.
maybe the screen design is for left and right hand markets , flip the speedometer to the left or right hand side of the of the screen to be closer to the driver ?
@@bwofficial1776 Agreed, loved the utilitarian of it, but it needed updating. Why can't deep-pocket Toyota re-imagine the Land Cruiser and Mercedes G-wagon
Looks fantastic to me! Unfortunately for me I will never have one so I will have to stick to my old Defender. The B pillar has already deformed my shoulder so might as well stick with it anyway...
One of the most knowledgeable owners. Also easy going, disappointing to see windshield needing replacement on such a high placed windshield so early. I learned that height doesn’t matter as much as I would wish.
I just went to the BMW dealership in Plano and they are building a dealership for the Ineos and I must say that the ones they got in stock are beautifully designed. I started to build the one I want and its $94k so I guess I will just wait and see how reliable they are before I pay that much lol.
Somebody will make a killing if they create a Defender conversion for the front end of that Grenadier. Apart from that and the questionable BMW long term engine reliability it looks to be a great package.
Great video and thoughtful presentation. I also value the experience of the owner with other LR products, so that makes the comparison even more meaningful.
The only issue with the axle diff locks is that they will only work in low range. Sometimes it’s useful to have axle diff locks on the flat in high range.
Same as the wrangler. They are not allowed to do it due to safety issues. There are too many idiots out there who would drive with them locked on a normal road going flat out.
I think most people would only really be using the locks in 4 low situations, though I'm sure being all electronically controlled there will be someone who finds a way to modify the programming to allow the diffs to be locked in high range as well.
@@ALMX5DP on a muddy flat farm it can be better to have axle lockers in high range, especially when you don’t want to damage the ground with wheelspin.
Good for him. He seems to enjoy the vehicle, and seems happy with his purchase. I’m glad ineos came to America, competition is good for the consumer.
AS MUCH AS I LOVE IT ID STILL TAKE MY 4TH GEN CRV
@@mattwill63 lmao the full caps. Crvs are decent little cars but not as capable as an actual 4x4. I have a second gen nissan pathfinder that drives super well. Actually i have 2 because i like them so much
@@everettstormy i can buy 10 4then gen crv for the price of this thing lol.
@@mattwill63 yeah or five decent 4 runners. Or 4 super nice supered up crvs. Yeah
You should get an army of 400hp turbo charged crvs lmao. My pathfinder are both manuals and have 250 hp they are fast and great off road. Also less than 5k
@@mattwill63 ps- 4th gen crvs look like eggs. Truly an ugly car.
For as hyped as this vehicle deservingly is, very level headed and reasonable discussion with Adam. Didn't want a marketing video, wanted to learn about the truck. You guys delivered! Good job 👍
Adam's knowledge about many things is above and beyond some car tester's knowledge! If I was Ineos, I would have sponsored him one... Small issues doesn't faze him and he has a deep understanding of cars and off-roading. Even calls the "snorkel" a raised air intake which it is exactly! I will watch any review he does on any car!
This is crazy expensive, but I respect the owner for being very knowledgeable about his vehicle and what he wants in an overland rig 👍
yes like. it its utilitarian for us car campers , off roaders, overlanders , than a 3 row luxury Family school bus independent rear axle as most mid size / full size Sport utility vehicle's have become
I missed the cost of it but it does look expensive.
A fully kitted out Yukon XL will run you just over 100k. For what this provides in terms of off road ability it seems competitive in its market (Lexus GX Overtrail ~80k)...with that said, 80 is a lot for a car
It’s mainly exchange rates and taxes, mine in France was cheaper than a base Gladiator.
Yes it is pricey. But it isn't hugely different from other vehicles. Looking at the Jeep site, a new 4 door Rubicon with similar spec is $70k
Tommi/Adam absolutely fantastic video , you couldn't have gotten a better person to interview than Adam he is in the community of off-roading and gave a great review of his Grenadier, and the roller test shows how much work Ineos has put into the system, i have to say top draw all the way and with the USA being the biggest market give it a year and they will be everywhere 👍
This guy is very good at speaking and interviewing. I enjoyed the whole thing.
INEO needs to make him their ambassador
Had mine for 7 months, 12k miles, loads of offroading, towing and roadtrips. No issues. Built like a tank.
Anyone who doubts this thing, go to a dealership, and lay underneath it. Its seriously strong.
What’s the towing capacity of these vehicles, thanks
@lawdog516 Here in the UK it's 3.5ton. That's about 7700lb I think.
I tow max with it weekly and it handles the weight exceptionally well.
The suspension is seriously bonkers. The tie rods are like 5 bronco tie rods combined 🤣
@lloydswartz7354 Yeah, all the weight in this vehicle is in its running gear. Overbuilt everything. That's why it's expensive. you're paying for quality components underneath, not just cheap screens and tech that, in reality, cost manufacturers very little.
I love mine. Picked up before Christmas and was worth the multi-year wait. I don’t have nearly as many miles as Adam, but enjoying it all the same. Agree with Adam, the price is a hard swallow, but a “built up” anything else will run the same range.
my trialmaster spec'd out at 130k Cdn but tfb it's pretty much loaded up. My biggest concern is that there are only 2 announced dealers in Canada. I was a day one reservation holder too but I haven't heard anything from my dealer yet but service availability remains a concern.
I wrote a new post regarding the owner having a 'favorites link' (?) for turning off the speed indicator noise or something?
What did he mean exactly? Is it too many settings to remember how to turn this off?
Unsure?
Finally! The video I've waited 3,5 years on this channel. Thanks for this review! Hope they succeed in the US! Good job colleagues! 🎉🎉🎉
At 1st I thought it was a Land Rover clone. It could also pass for a G-Wagen. Glad they did such a great job on it. I can also understand the center display instrument cluster. Makes it easier to build for both LH drive and RH drive countries, much like the classic Mini. Plus, it keeps costs down. Most definitely an interesting vehicle.
tbh after 3 days of driving, you get used to it, especially if you drive with the flow of traffic. AND it give you a ton of room to look down the hood of the vehicle and frees up visability.
@@JackMcRoberts My first car was a Jeep CJ with the gauges down low in the center. Like you said, you get used to it pretty quickly.
I have a base Tesla Model 3, so by the time my IG arrived, it was a non-issue. It’s in a very practical position.
Except most people and many owners Want a screen ahead of the steering wheel at least for speed and temp and important safety warnings, indicator lights etc.
I like the way you guys sneakily placed the 80 series in the background during the slip test. As one of the heritage vehicles that likely influenced the Grenadier it was an appropriate nod to those who came before.
The Grenadier was first and foremost inspired by the original Land Rover Defender, when Ineos's owner was unable to buy the tooling rights of JLR.
@@matthewp9015 no doubt the demise of the Defender spurred the Ineos quest to build such a vehicle. Ineos themselves did however give direct nod to the greats that came before including Landrover, Land Cruiser, and Gelandewagen.
Looks to be well built and has great curb appeal. Love it!
I think you mean kerb appeal!!
(Curb is like halt or desist such as Curb your enthusiasm). The concrete road edge is a kerb.
Great review. Very in depth and interesting to hear the owners honest feedback and it seems like a solid choice.
Four concerns I would have in no particular order: 1) price of admission is really expensive. 2) warranty/dealer support/recalls. It’s never perfect, but flat bedding a dead vehicle for hundreds of miles isn’t appealing and gets complicated and expensive quickly 3) Proven longevity. First model year is always risky, even for a refresh model 4) Fuel efficiency. 12-19 mpg (without towing) as a daily driver would be costly for most, going on an over landing trip would require careful planning with extra fuel requirements.
Best advice and thoughts; drive it and enjoy it. It would be interesting to hear back from the owner 6 months from now.
My response from someone who owns one in my family...
1. Starting at $72k, it's not horrible. It's way less than an imported and modified defender or new Gwagon. Anything decent these days will start at 55k. Look at the new land cruiser. Starts mid 50s but we know it will be marked up. Heck even new broncos in dallas at the dealership start at 65k, at least the ones in the front of the dealership. They even had one with options priced at 80k.
2. Yeah that sucks, but should improve.
3. My dad bought one, and he's concerned but absolutely loves it.
4. No worse than an G Wagon.
I'm with you on this one...for the price, MPGs, support, performance, and unknown potential reliability...there's no way I'd buy this over the new Land Cruiser: better MPGs, better support, much less expensive, Toyota reliability (still a 1st gen here, so somewhat unknown, but still far less concerned), the iForce Max is so much more potent as well. Some ppl call out the solid front axle as being "the thing" for the Ineos, but unless it's a dedicated technical rock crawling machine, there is no real benefit here (IFS will be miles better on paved, dirt, washboard, baja type roads) + you'd really need a large lift and bigger tires to get any flex benefit (and you'd absolutely be cutting into those wheel wells for this).
@@jamisonjamisonxengine and trans wise should already be known considering its still straight out of bmws(although this one with the bmw i6 has been detuned in power for reliability) so that shouldn't be hard to find At all. Everything else is up in the air till issues prop up.
I love how knowledgeable this owner is. I love a lot of things about this vehicle. I would be a bit concerned about parts availability and warranty support. If I break an axle shaft on my Wrangler, I can easily get a replacement pretty much anywhere. If I had one of these, it would see just as much trail time as my Jeep does. Which would be really my only concern with this over a Wrangler.
lol u won’t need parts
@@XHPBT1 Why do you think that? Its a regular occurrence for vehicles to break off road. And that goes for all makes and models.
Great feedback from Adam, he’s great on camera and very knowledgeable. Would be great to have him in other vehicles on this channel!
Until now I really liked the idea of a Grenadier but now I really, really want one. Also, I've been following TFL* for many years and this video is one of the best Adam is the ideal presenter (hope TFL have made him an offer) for anything Land Rover and now also Ineos-related, he has the whole nine yards backstory to accurately compare and I loved his description of the original Defender (growing up the family car was a 1963 Series II A LWB). Bottom line I have to reconsider the 2018 Wrangler JL in the garage and do some comparison shopping and $ for feature reality checks. Thanks as always to TFL and Tommy. Brilliant!
I test drove a Grenadier about a month ago here in Houston, but did not buy. It is a fun vehicle and a wonderful first effort. My opinion for what it is worth: It need to be lifted. I think it sits way to low. The center console screen seems wholly inadequate to be responsible for everything. Way too small and I did not like looking over at it to see where my speed was. I would have rather had zero screen, a normal dash with all analog gauges and an old school radio. That may seem crazy, but people love simplicity. Look at everyone’s love affair with the Land Cruiser 70’s series. Basic and reliable. I could live with the small screen in the center and not having a normal gauge cluster if they had given us a heads up display. (That may have been a challenge with the angle of the windshield.) I have a heads up display in my truck and I look at that more than my gauges below. I did not notice any crazy or abnormal beeping from lane issues that were discussed with the video, but maybe I didn’t stray much that day. There are definitely blind spots in this vehicle, but I would forgive those and these days with lane change warnings it isn’t a huge deal. Power seemed fine when driving. Drivers coming from Land Rover will love the quirks and forgive things that break on this vehicle. Toyota owners may convert to Enos after they prove themselves. See you in 300k miles……I hope.
I'm starting to see a lot of these on the road in the UK and they look really cool. Its great they are coming to the US as the original Defender 110 wasn't an option. (and this looks to drive much better!)
My first one was wracked with issues BUT the second is blinding - done 12k mls so far and I love them
Ineos have been amazing throughout I have to say
Adam, like most of the car enthusiast that come on your channels seems like an incredibly happy good focused person who really likes their vehicle. Except for the binnacle, not in front of the driver, I’m holding off full judgment until you guys get your hands on one and we see what it’s like after six months and some long-distance trips and some definite off-road use on those wonderful trails you go on.
Thank you!! Ive been following these, and am contemplating going from an older Jeep to this.
Joe public would have no idea what a Grenadier is. Most knowledgeable car people would say it’s a MB G-Wagon. I love that it uses an old school ignition key, has a sewing machine smooth inline 6 motor and is built like a tank. That door shut “thud” was very satisfying. It well remains elusive in the US due to the $73k + selling price. I can see this being a 250,000 mile vehicle before any major service is required.
It's hilarious telling people you are switching brands to Ineos. The blank stares are priceless
I am interested.... if this thing can go for over 200k miles then it is worth it. It is different, I was interested in the Defender, but longevity was a concern. Wonder how the Grenadier holds up.
Those seat covers are really nice though!
He literally sounds like a ineos sales rep. In a good way, he seems to know his stuff and didn’t buy blindly and is active in online communities
Great guest, knew his stuff, and had a great attitude!
I like the editing of this vehicle, splitting up the testing and talking was refreshing.
Absolutely love the Grenadier and I can't wait for the TFL Grenadier to arrive.
This guy is pretty smart. Really think it will be a collector one day. Great results as well!
This was a great watch and such an honest review of the vehicle 👏
Great video... I have had my Grenadier for less than a month... an amazing 6,886 kilometres in a month... Our Grenadier is positively brilliant...
Yes, I have a few minor niggles and software things, but overall ... Brilliant ... odd warnings, but then I did not read the manual.
I have owned a 200 Series Landcruiser and, years back, an old Landrover. The Grenadier - now known as "Cedric" is exactly what I wanted...
Love it and most importantly - so does the Co-driver!
That should have been posted as a "dude I love or hate my ride"! Great video though Tommy! Nice when owners know their stuff too. The one bit of info I'm still waiting to learn is the American GVWR and Payload.
wow, great stuff... pity he wasn't able to get a diesel over there... Biggest issue i heard in UK has been steering feel on road... but i love that they built this thing...
Had mine for 12k miles now in the UK, steering feel on road is perfectly fine. At speed it's really solid and stable. The wheel doesn't return to centre aggressively at low speed but honesty you get used to it in 5 minutes
How is the legroom as driver? The catalytic converter seems to reduce space.
@DerSnipOr leg room is ok. there's a footrest for the left foot, but it genuinely causes me no issues. Seating position is quite upright.
Had a drive in a right hand drive one before Christmas. The problem I had was the catalytic converter intrudes into the drivers space, just where I would rest my left foot, to the extent that I could not get comfortable. Having said that I am tall , 190cm, 6"3"". Some one smaller might not find it such a problem.@@DerSnipOr
Somehow I am glad living in Europe.. got the original version with no lane assist but with the diesel engine. 3500kms now. Excellent vehicle.
Tommy - these slip tests are awesome - even with Full Locker vehicles (front, middle, rear) :) thanks!
I really like mine and mirror alot of the same thoughts. No regrets so far but time will tell. I am pushing for 30yrs ownership. Sounds a little crazy but my 2 main dailies are 29yrs and 34yrs old and still rocking. I have no doubt my Trialmaster will push well past that age.
Same here. My primary trail rig a 96 Montero is about 30. But had to have the ifs torn out of course
Just saw one of these for the first time where I live in Pennsylvania. Definitely was shocked to see it
I wonder how tough the B58 will be in the long term for off-roading conditions.
I tested this vehicle a couple of days ago. Maybe this car is good for the UK, but I think in Australia it will not last long. This is not a Toyota LC 70-series or an old version of the Nissan Patrol. It looks and feels more like an expensive toy than a real off-road machine.
@@australia-ukraine yeah I'm very doubtful the B58 is tough enough for this application. We all know it's one of the best BMW engines ever and can handle high speeds and more power... but does that translate to the extreme abuse of low range and everything that comes with off-roading.
The windshield cracks have been seen on several owners videos which is interesting. The rake of the windshield is so straight I can only imagine this headache happening so often.
i would have to get something reinforced
A common Jeep problem too. Upright, flat windshields don't let rocks glance off easily.
This thing is awesome. All the offroader anybody would ever need. I love the looks, the overhead switch gear is so cool. Simple overhead pop-open windows, inline 6... Two things that are terrible is the Euro-sedan shifter (seriously, wtf) and the lack of gauges over the steering wheel. So dumb to have the most utility utility ever and then no gauges. This really has to stop. My gauge cluster shows everything and is right there all the time. No digging around in a screen out of my line of sight for my transmission temp. So ridiculous. Besides those two things, you bet I'd keep it for 10 years too. Looks super fun to drive. 86 grand is not bad against the current prices of stuff. It sucks, but that's the price of nice trucks now.
Ineos’s biggest problem is that you can’t run a successful automotive car company with just one vehicle type, in three different forms. Tesla has several different types of cars and a ute???? Land Rover has Defender , Discovery, and Range Rover with numerous adaptations, sports, velar, equoue, etc etc. Ineos with just three basic models ain’t gonna survive!!!
Gr8 video!!! Regards Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿👍
I think I saw one of these at Killington in Vermont last week. But like he said the badging is subtle, so I didn't know what I was seeing.
That truck is gorgeous! So happy it’s here in the US. I’m keeping my Land Rover, but who know 10 years down the road what I might get.
i had no idea i wanted this till i saw the video now I'm going down the rabbit hole of gathering all the information on it I can, we have a dealer in CO Springs so not even to far drive.
In the earliest Series Landrovers ( before it was rechristened with the jingoistic Defender moniker) the largest engines were old Rover sixes , solid smooth and torquey - but not powerful!
Just saw one of these today in Naples FL, thought it was update Defender! So cool!
What a great honest review!! This is definitely on my short list as my LR4 replacement.
Id absolutely love one of these in a few years when I can afford one, or they offer a more base model. I really wish the company best of luck!
I like that Grenadier, looks well made quality vehicle.
Excellent video and top-notch presentation! Your new Grenadier owner (Adam?), reveals himself as a Land Rover owner of the old school. Those folks, literally every single one of them, men and women alike, that I knew back in the 1960's and into the mid-1980's, were well schooled in what Land Rovers (i.e. the Series vehicles pre-Defender nameplate) in why they purchased, owned and drove Land Rovers rather than ANY other vehicle from ANY other manufacturer. I suspect most "Land Rover Defender" buyers in this day and age in the United States make their purchases because of the curb appeal and status the vehicle and its historical image brings with it. "Adam" appears to have considerable product knowledge about not only Land Rover's products, but about the new Grenadier as well. Watching this video, listening carefully to what Adam and Tommy had to say, makes me thankful my wife threw cold water on my out of control desire to purchase a new 2023 left-over Jeep Gladiator. My wife, Debbie, is an accountant. She's heard mention to the "new Grenadier" for the last several years. What she has not yet heard from me is that Ineos will soon have a pickup version of the Grenadier for sale on the U.S. market! I'll admit to a long-term prejudice against all-things BMW. This goes back to the 1960's and Max Hoffman. Said prejudice goes back to the Rover 2000TC vs the BMW 2002. Bias and prejudice is very bad; it can last for decades. Until today, and this video, I was not about to seriously consider a Grenadier just because of its BMW engine. Thank you, Tommy, TFL, and Adam for bringing me into the 21st Century! Andy McKane, 4 January 2024, Maunaloa, Hawaii.
Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
Quality wise, from what I've been hearing this is a good risk vs Land Rover. Only because Land Rover has a problematic reputation... I am rooting for the Grenadier but at the same time I'm gonna give it a year or two out in the hands of the public and see how the entirety of the experience plays out..
Wow, he knows about the 2.8l BMW Defender! Didn't expect that!
*Tommi /Adam - Brilliant Analysis Of 2024 - Granedier - I Want It In INDIA ❤Lots Of Love To This SUV*
I haven't driven it yet, but yes it is!! I would love to have one, once they get cheaper
The loaded version is 95K. The goodies are amazing. Must have all the options to enjoy. The 30/70 rear doors are a great selling point for me. No competition. Add the WoldBox 300 series rear view mirror. It will take front and rear video 24/7.
Driving D.C. to Philly is like a 2.5 - 3 hour drive. If it requires a lot of warranty work, that would drive me crazy... and that's assuming the vehicle doesn't need to be towed in. More power to him if he can deal with it. It's his time and money.
This is why I’d never own one. I don’t have a local dealer, and let’s be honest, this will not be reliable. It is a brand new car from a brand new manufacturer. It is expected.
You may be surprised. It’s not been thrown together from scratch. The components have been developed/provided by experienced companies in their field.
But doesn’t solve the dealer geographic though 😹
@@davidgirvan6007
Just go to your closest dealer
Hey it won’t affect me as I could not afford one. And if I could my local dealer is only about 10 miles away anyway. Not like the US
I’m a Jeep guy. But this is pretty neat and good competition for other off road vehicles. Would be interesting to see the comparison videos I’m sure are coming. It looks cool. Agree with diesel if it were to come. An interesting point though is my JK with 38” tires and 4.5” lift gets the same gas mileage… I average 14-16 mpg on mixed city/highway.
I wonder what tow ratings it has with that i6 but yeah the economy is poor there must he some benefit? Jeeps been at it a long time I get 19 in my 2 door soft top manu jk on 35s rubicon
@@TheCRDMillertowing is 7700 lbs or so
This is one of those "if only I could find that kind of money somewhere" vehicles.
Nobody slip tests like you! Make it a branch of the channel, all of the slip test channels suck, badly maintained rollers, not aligned correct, inconsistent testing, your on another level, making the content i want, thank you, know your talent and care is noticed
We made things like this here in the United States in the 1990s. Unfortunately, solid front axle SUVs are only manufactured overseas nowadays
Cant wait for them to hit the second hand market and hopefully at a reasonable price, over the years i had a series iia , a 300tdi , a td5 , and have a 110 puma right now . I can see the grenadier been the next . Really is what i wish landrover did and totally see why ineos built it.
I have a Sela Green Trialmaster with the steelie wheels, roof rack, NO safari windows on order. This made me feel better about my choices, including the lack of safari windows.
Same but wife had to have the safari windows
I thought Adam was very well spoken. Similar to Tommy. Great vocabulary and thoughtful insights.
Looks like a dual band antenna on the back? Is Adam a Ham? Glad he stopped by an let y'all use his new ride to give us some insight. There are so many things I like about the INEOS stuff, and so many things I have concerns about. I can't wait to see what time shows us about these vehicles.
Saw one driving the streets of Fresno ca. Glad they’re popping up here now. would love to see more of these. They look awesome here’s to hoping they last a while
On the fence between the Ineos and the Lexus GX550 Overtrail. Price wise the Ineos is more and after watching Brad at his Trail Recon channel and getting stuck on some familiar trails in the Ineos and having to engage lockers I’m again leaning towards the Lexus GX550 Overtrail. I think I would say buying an Ineos with the rough pack is a must for any off-roading that I’d be doing. Hopefully there will be a GX550 vs Grenadier soon. Great commentaryand testing from both the channel and the Ineos owner. Appreciate it very much
Well done interview. Your best yet.
I drove by our Ineos dealer here in Canada last week and saw them in stock, on the ground and in the showroom. But, they were closed for the Holidays. I look forward to sitting in one next week. I am sure this company will last. It is owned by Billionaire Jim Ratcliffe, the richest man in the UK, and Ineos earned $55 Billion in 2022, so I'm certain that they are on solid ground. This is a real automobile company.
I just saw one of these in my neighborhood today. At first I thought it was a Range Rover. Looks cool.
Great Video and very knowledgeable owner! Very interested in purchasing a Grenadier. Cheers from Orange County, California - USA!!!!
If Ineos wants to stick around for a long time, they're going to have to fix the price. $71k starting price is just way too high.
Yes cause there's no other brands that are expensive...
The owner gave a great review. I don't agree with some of his thoughts on the old defender. 200 or 300tdi motors are better than the gas V8. More reliable and much more economical. I drove a Grenadier off road. I'm sticking with my LR4 and old school defender.
I love this thing. Love that it has tech, but nothing ridiculous. Seems like a usable SUV. The price...eeeesh
Thansk for sharing this! The whole time I kep thinking this was JoN Rettinger's brother. I love that vehicle despite having absolutely no need for it. Then again I would love to own a classic defender with some (and I do mean some0 modern upgrades.
It's not a new company per se. They exist as a company and thriving business since decades. The first offroad they produce is already thebest 4x4 on the market. The vehicle is from the UK but European in the make. The testing period had been thorough with prototypes on all continents prior to production fixing issues. The distribution channel and relationship with the after market is smart. The Grenadier had already disrupted the market. It is build to be durable. It conquers hearts. Gray review, enjoyed it.
Waiting for Grenadier versus Cybertruck crash test!
Should have done that slip test on opposite tires. I'm really excited about this rig, but I saw in the Trail Recon review the truck really struggled when the rear right tire didn't have good traction. The conclusion was engaging the losers was a must for big ruts. Also sway bar dissconnect is a missing feature.
10:55 Looks like he picked up a crack on his windshield. My bet is it happened in WA State. Crazy how common this is here with 3 of my 4 cars having windshield dings or cracks. When I was living in the southeast I never remember that happening.
Yep! I lived in Eastern WA where they like to chip seal their roads. I had many visits to Novus Glass to repair rock chips on my windshields..
So you want the reliability of a Lexus GX and the looks of a land Rover. Well I hope it works out. It would be nice to have some more jeep competition, competition creates ingenuity.
Unfortunately it may have the reliability of a BMW, and the looks of a Defender.
@@davidnorton5887Has the new Supra proven unreliable? This has the same engine.
@@JollyGiant19 ppl don’t care 😂most of them never drive a BMW
Awesome review. Great job. Ineos is preparing to build in the USA with in the next 5 years or less.
This vehicle looks awesome in real life, especially the two-tone paint
Speedo impacting screen size is not an excuse; its cost cutting to avoid having a separate speedo.
maybe the screen design is for left and right hand markets , flip the speedometer to the left or right hand side of the of the screen to be closer to the driver ?
@@youtubecarspottersguide1exactly, cost cutting.
Thank you guys. I am a HUGE fan of the old Land Rover Defender, hopefully, they've simplified to make it more reliable
everyone that i run into while driving this car thinks it's a defender. they cannot tell. lol
@@JackMcRoberts definitely has channeled its vibe
This is what the Defender would be if Land Rover had evolved it every 8 years or so like a Jeep Wrangler instead of leaving it in 1983.
@@bwofficial1776 Agreed, loved the utilitarian of it, but it needed updating. Why can't deep-pocket Toyota re-imagine the Land Cruiser and Mercedes G-wagon
the name came from a pub called the Grenadier in Belgravia (London) where Radcliff conceived the idea...
Looks fantastic to me! Unfortunately for me I will never have one so I will have to stick to my old Defender. The B pillar has already deformed my shoulder so might as well stick with it anyway...
One of the most knowledgeable owners. Also easy going, disappointing to see windshield needing replacement on such a high placed windshield so early. I learned that height doesn’t matter as much as I would wish.
I think the 70/30 door is a design advantage because there is 30% less door for the spare tire carrier side hinges to stress over.
Saw baby blue color in Portland Oregon, wow it looks amazing in person, really really cool truck
Nice truck. I thought it was a little funny when he had the defender slip of the tongue.
I just went to the BMW dealership in Plano and they are building a dealership for the Ineos and I must say that the ones they got in stock are beautifully designed. I started to build the one I want and its $94k so I guess I will just wait and see how reliable they are before I pay that much lol.
Somebody will make a killing if they create a Defender conversion for the front end of that Grenadier.
Apart from that and the questionable BMW long term engine reliability it looks to be a great package.
Great review!
Love the knobs and buttons but they didn't go far enough. Should have a dash cluster.
Saw one in Houston last week. Had to take a pic and do some research.
Awesome, I had no idea the Grenadier was in America.
Great video and thoughtful presentation. I also value the experience of the owner with other LR products, so that makes the comparison even more meaningful.
Please tell me you ran it through some of the course? Even the crossover bit would be fun to see it articulate and bounce over logs.
The only issue with the axle diff locks is that they will only work in low range. Sometimes it’s useful to have axle diff locks on the flat in high range.
Same as the wrangler. They are not allowed to do it due to safety issues. There are too many idiots out there who would drive with them locked on a normal road going flat out.
Same on the Toyota 4Runner. Rear diff lock is only available in 4Lo.
I think with the Mojave gladiator after 2022 you can lock the rear differential in hi.
I think most people would only really be using the locks in 4 low situations, though I'm sure being all electronically controlled there will be someone who finds a way to modify the programming to allow the diffs to be locked in high range as well.
@@ALMX5DP on a muddy flat farm it can be better to have axle lockers in high range, especially when you don’t want to damage the ground with wheelspin.
It’s the coolest car of the year!
Not gonna run it through the off road test course?
Great episode interesting