The New Ineos Grenadier May Look Old School, But How Does It Stack Up to The Iconic Land Cruiser?
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
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( www.alltfl.com ) Watch more videos from TFL Studios! Thanks to our friend Adam who drove more than 2,000 miles in his new Ineos Grenadier, we're getting a chance to really see who it can do, both against the TFL Slip Test (check that out here) and against a true old-school off-roading icon: our 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser 80 Series.
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0:00 Intro
0:32 Toyota Land Cruiser 80 Series Off-Road
5:22 Sponsor shout-out: onX Offroad
5:36 Ineos Grenadier Off-Road
15:49 Underneath the Toyota Land Cruiser
18:33 Underneath the Ineos Grenadier
22:08 Closing thoughts - Авто та транспорт
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Awesome content as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
Glad you enjoyed
It's great to see a company like Ineos keeping the dream alive, but in all honesty, Grenadier pricing is what convinced me to put the money into refreshing my 80 series. Lockers, gears, re-spray, etc. and the old beast is like new again.
Yup that is its achilles heel. Cool vehicle. Sure it has its issues but most probably can be solved with aftermarket mods once they become available. But it is just way too expensive compared to its competition. I have a fully mod’d Gladiator for less than that and that includes the canopy and RTT and you’d have to drop another 15K at least into that Grenadier to make it as capable as my Gladiator. And any rural mech in the US can fix my Gladiator, I’d be worried about repair ability of the Grenadier here in the US.
@@dadventuretv2538 It's exactly what makes me wonder why we buy off-roaders from overseas. I genuinely believe America makes the best selection of affordable and useful off-roaders in the world .
@@ChaseBond11 Two words, "Build Quality." A product coming out of Toyota's Tahara factory for example, is on an entirely different level vs. anything manufactured in Canada, Mexico, or the US.
Amen, better to take care of the old rigs than buy new
Cheshire smile every time I drive my 96 - 80. That Grenadier looks good but like aforementioned, it's slapped together by multiples companies. Plus, it's like $100+K
The owner of the grenadier is a natural on camera, just wanted to say props to him!
He is a much better speaker than most guests.
Agreed
He is vey knowledgeable about his vehicle and that’s really appreciated
Agree
The Ineos really needs a small lift. God I love that Land Cruiser, I would buy that and add lockers. TFL should reach out to Yukon lockers to get their support.
One dealer in Australia worked out that if you press the differential unlock buttons and then move slowly forward but turning the steering from side to side it unlocks very quickly - its a technique but once you practice it a few times it works well
I do find it very odd that a brand new truck in that price bracket needs weird tips to do something basic like lock/unlocking diffs. The Gren comes off a bit halfbaked off-road (really, no skid plates for most anything and so-so ground clearance?) despite billing itself as a hardcore offroader.
Cool to see newer companies building innovative off road vehicles. The Ineos has some neat features and looks like its really well built for off road longevity. But, I want that 80. Just with lockers
It would be cool to see TFL do a G wagon video similar to this. See how it looks underneath and also in the trenches and logs.
I was thinking the same thing. I wonder for the same price as the Ineos, one could get a previous gen G wagon with the solid front and rear axles.
Just saw one in the wild. Great looking and looks a ton better than the new Defender.
Surprising to see you guys aren’t comparing new with new: a JLUR vs Granadier. An 80 series that hasn’t been in production in 30 years isn’t a great comparison, but a new JLUR is. JLUR is the standard for off road engineering currently. Every other rig has wimpy IFS.
Is it just me or have these videos become even nerdier? Because I love it.
The BMW B58 engine used in the Ineos Grenadier is the same version that is used in the 2020 Toyota Supra. The Ineos application is detuned from 335hp to 282hp, which means it is less stressed also. After 2020, Toyota went with another version of the B58 that makes 382hp in markets that don't conform to the EU emissions requirements.
What was said by most people was that BMW (because they designed and built that engine) underrated the power numbers, and they're fond of doing that a lot. They said it made more than 335hp from the beginning. I don't know how true that is though.
@@damilolaakanni It is something manufacturers have done for a long time. Supposedly the 302 c.i.(5.0L) V8 in the 69 Z28 Camero made more HP than the 396c.i. V8 in the Camero SS. The Z28's engine was a homologation race engine for the 5.0L and under Can-Am Racing class.
When I looked it up I found two different sources for the BMW B58 numbers. The wikipedia page on the B58 lists two different engine codes, one for 2020 and one for 2021+ and stipulates for non-EU engine emissions countries. So I assume the EU Supra still has the 335HP engine.
Another example is the ND Miata. There is a Alfa Romeo model that uses the same chassis as the ND Miata. Biggest difference is the Alfa model uses a smaller displacement turbo engine, whereas the Miata uses a NA 2.0L engine. The first year or two the ND Miata made 150hp and the Alfa made 170 something HP. After the first two years Mazda increased the redline on the NA 2.0L and it has made 180hp ever since (you can still get lower hp versions in Japan because if taxes based on engine size and power). It has been speculated that the contract between Mazda and Alfa stipulated that the Mazda version had to make "x" horsepower less than the Alfa version for 2 years so that the Alfa would have time to get a return on their investment in the project.
Really enjoyed seeing the underside of the toyota and ineos. Would be awesome to keep seeing videos like this.
Toyota Land Cruiser is a tank, add front & rear lockers & it's an unstoppable tank.
Until she pops her head gasket. I wonder if this 80 has had it done yet.
@@donleamon8653😂 not as common as you think
@@flight2k5 - unless you’ve owned your 80 since new, and have kept meticulous care of the cooling system, anywhere north of 150k you’re going to be running the risk of a HG failure. Too much deferred maintenance on 80’s combine with the water temp gauge being setup by Toyota to numb to temp changes until it is too late, takes its’ toll over the years. Sorry, but facts. I’ve got 265k on mine, 100k since I lost the first gasket. I was the 3rd owner and at the time of purchase, and naive.
@@donleamon8653it's true in a myth at the same time. Actually it was the head gasket material that was used for some and that is why for some it was an issue. I have a 1997 collector's edition with almost 300,000 mi on it and have never had the head gasket replaced. If you really looked at the statistics, it's not a big issue, but if you look at forums then all of a sudden at any given moment you're going to have to replace your head gasket. Get new tires. You need a new head gasket, check your oil. You need a new head gasket, change windshield wipers you need a new head gasket , rolled on the window you need a new head gasket. 😁💩
@@donleamon8653 well I have one and it’s never had a head gasket replaced. I know of a bunch and there is a poll on mud. Check it out
When I saw first Grenadier, I thought it was awesome that a company is creating such a vehicle because I like the older Land Rover Defenders not the luxury Land Rovers we have now. I love the layout of the front and center console, but IMHO they should have had a traditional gauge cluster or driver infotainment screen along with at minimum a 12in center screen angled to the driver. Also, they should have did air lockers instead of electric, or have the option to do air lockers.
To be honest, I would 100% buy one if I can option it to have a more common Dana 60/60 1ton axles.
I can’t wait to see more ineos coverage, especially when they bring the truck out and you can compare both. Too bad there so freaking expensive!! I wish he didn’t bomb up the trenches course in 2nd gear. 1st gear, low, and slow with the lockers would have been great to see, but oh well. Next time…haha Great video as always!
The Grenadier is so strange, you get that cool beefy mechanical shift lever for the transfer case, and right next to it you have that little electronic video game controller for the transmission. Kind of a head scratcher why they didn't go to more of a mechanical set up for that too. I like the idea of this thing, I like that has solid axles, but I think in real world performance the 55k base LC250 is going to outperform it.
same with the GX 550 overtrail and no 3rd row and opt to delete the moonroof under $70k , LC250 under $60k add dealer mark up and long wait
Agreed but if you want three lockers it’s either the IG or G wagon.But I really like the GX 550 engine.
@@CJ-rk5egor a bronco
@@grisa12345The Wrangler does NOT have a center diff. It has a transfer case with a chain drive. There is no center differential that would allow the front and rear driveshaft to turn different speeds. When you put a Wrangler into 4x4 you are engaging a chain drive that turns the front drive shaft.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee has a center differential. The Grand Cherokee is the only Jeep product that I know of with a center differential. Maybe some of Jeep's other crossover AWD vehicles have a center diff instead of a clutch pack that sends power to the rear axle.
The transmission shifter is a carry over from the BMW drivetrain. I was probably easier and cost less to use the BMW shifter than redesign, engineer and possibly make software changes to use a bespoke part.
The Grenadier seems really cool and interesting, but it also seems like it has some pretty rough edges.
The reality for this vehicle, is that it is way better than the old defender. This is what LR should have done with the defender before they retired it. I don't understand why LR never took the time to modernize and upgrade the defender like Jeep did with the Wranglers. Yet another stupid decision. Thanks to Adam for allowing us to share his experience.
As much free press that you guys are giving the Grenadier, I am hoping that they give you guys 1 for a long-term test...
Reminds me of in-between vehicle, between Rover, G wagon( luxury) and Defender(utility)... Hence a Discovery 3 or 4 type of vehicle. Obviously with new style and goodies ... or maybe what a discovery should have been. Kudos to the new owner for roughing it up. Hope to see it around and check it out around NoVa, Dc area.
thanks for the comparo guys! Great info, thank you Ineos owner for letting TFL check it out.
Great video, great comparison. I was determined to hate the grenadier after they didn’t build a basic utility vehicle as originally intended and shafted us on the price but after being invited to see the prototype a few years ago I had to admit that I was thoroughly impressed.
The steering damper is in a ridiculous location, the radiators and coolers are vulnerable and the rear sand scoop will get caught up in all kinds of scenarios but it’s got the basis for one of the best utility vehicles ever made if they would build a dumbed down version for the developing world and NGO’s.
If I was Ineos, I would immediately put sway bar disconnects in. Without them, the rubicon will eat it for breakfast in most circumstances. The wheel wells are also surprisingly small, a lift is a horrible way to fit larger tyres. Aftermarket portals are probably the only way to avoid major cutting and they’re already available.
Really an amazing vehicle, I am a bit surprised TFL hasn’t ordered one, your off-road enthusiasm and truly inspiring hard testing.
Great video 👍
They probably still have the new defender scenario rattling around in their heads, they ordered an early one of them and it didn’t seem to work out that well, and it certainly didn’t seem like a raging success. Will they wait and see before buying one though ?? By that time would it be worth it, as everyone would have already done it to death anyway. A difficult decision me thinks.
I want to say they have said they ordered one in another video some time back. TFL has also ordered the new Tacoma TRD Offroad. I hope they ordered the Tacoma with a manual transmission.
Ineos has factory rock slider options. Likely what the threads are for in the frame. Here in Canada base price is $91,000. This model shown is $101,000 plus added options.
Or side steps. I have aftermarket rock rails on my 4Runner, and they mounted via already existing threaded holes in the side of the frame, meant for OEM Toyota side steps.
I'm really happy that a company such as Ineos actually had the guts to do what most of us could only dream of doing: design a purpose built off-roader for production.
I think Ineos really nailed it here. The design just great. The round headlights with the modern LEDs are just so good. Solid axles, lockers, body on frame, a powerful 6 cylinder. It won't appeal to the masses, but it will appeal to many. Especially in the off-road community.
I can't wait until these are out a few years so if I'm tempted to buy one, I'll be able to get a used one which will be a little less than $85K.
The starter location on the Ineos , sure looks vulnerable .
There's normally a radiator skid plate on the 80, someone just tossed yours at some point
Well played! Thanks!
I have an 80 series without lockers - the 3rd world version without a centre diff so part time 4x4.
I put a cheap lunchbox locker in the front because I had nearly got stuck a few times when I go cross-axled. Problem solved.
I put it in the front because those lockers are uncivilised when in the rear.
Great video!!! I have been driving nothing but Toyota trucks from the FJ 40’s series to the 3rd generation Tacoma and everything in between for about 3 decades stock and mildly modified. The Grenadier will be my first truck that will not be a Toyota. People seem to have the missed conception that without lockers or any traction aids the vehicle its just useless. when I first went into off roading my trucks were driven open diffs with no traction aids relying on tire placement, choosing the right line and momentum. And yes, traction aids will take you further and go over obstacles with ease but nothing can replace driving skills (if you have both, more power to you) and this is something you can not buy.
This is true. I had a 71 IH Scout Commanche in High school (83'), That Scout made these trucks look like cheap light weight cars. the only controls were me, a gas peddle, a brake peddle and a steering wheel.
TFLoffroad is Best channel! Thanks for the really interesting videos!
Great vid
Thx
TFL please do a Grenadier/ Jeep wrangler/ Bronco / GX 550 / G Wagon / Defender/ LC250 comparison!!
No matter how great the vehicle is, sometimes driver mod is needed more.
It would be interesting when you all get your grenadier to take a new 4Runner side by side with it and see if the 4Runner keeps up. You know, to see if the extra $30,000 and questionable long term reliability is really necessary or not.
We have a Four Runner. But between chopping Plastic and IFS parts we stopped building and just ordered a Grenadier. After buying a Power Wagon it was pretty obvious it was time to get back to solid axles as its so much better and easier to modify. The Four Runner would take 40K in mods to catch up for real wheeling.
The BMW B58 engine used in the Grenadier is the same version used in the 2020 Toyota Supra. The Ineos version is detuned from 335hp to 282hp though. This means the engine is likely running less turbo boost making is less stressed. I would expect Ineos used a slightly smaller turbo to get more low end power. This would also mean a redline that is lower than the Supra to keep the turbo from spinning so fast the compressor and exhaust vanes break the sound barrier resulting in a shock wave being sent through the intake and exhaust potentially destroying parts along the way.
In 2021 the Supra went to a different version of the B58 that makes 382 horsepower.
@myauctionaddicti$onestatesa7451 $40k huh? You're either insane or lying.
@@The_Opinion_of_MattIt’s just tuning. A JB4 plug and play will boost more power.
Great video
Single powertrain vehicles should be able to get parts out for repairs fairly easily. Toyota targeted markets over the years and made sure their parts were available to support sales. I hope INEOS does the same.
GoodMorning TFLrs!
Great video Tommy, thank you. The plan was to purchase one but again, another manufacturer has priced the vehicle out of reach for the average enthusiasts...certainly out of my range.
At 12mpg you need a huge dino tank or range is limited. That $tinks.
Are u guys still gonna have people come through and try to conquer your mud course? Loved all those videos! Miss seeing that course too
Wow all the weights on that wheel lol definitely KO2s.
Anyone saying the cost is too expensive. You really need to look at its closest competitor which is the Mercedes G wagon which is nearly double the price, and has no shortage of buyers. If you go for a similar spec Jeep Rubicon, you need to get the top of the range Rubicon from factory with every possible add on to get it comparable. Then you are looking at an identical price.
What a great video. Loved seeing the 80 Series. Tommy what is your opinion on an 80 Series as an Overlander?
The TD42 GQ / GU Nissan Patrols (4.2 litre diesel) have out lasted pretty much every 4X4 made in that era
Good comparison but minor issues.
16:15 Not a lot of protection for the radiator? You can't even see the radiator in the video. It is well out of the way. What Tommy is gesturing too is the PS cooler known as the "Paper Clip".
16:20 Positively enormous front differential? Tommy, that is an 8.0" front diff on a FJ80. Not enormous by any means and much smaller than the 9.5" rear diff.
18:03 Rear differential is in the center? No. It is offset to the passenger side like the front axle.
Great review and comparison, I don’t think I saw brake dust shields on the Grenadier?
Outstanding grenadier🎉
I like the grenadier, how it's made front and rear solid axles. I also like the interior. But. In order to stand close with the 80 series, it must pass the trial of time, it must prove itself over the years. And something tells me, the BMW engine is not quite up that level of reliability. And we know nothing of the axles yet, how will they take punishment and wear especially when carrying oversized tires. PS: steering damper being the lowest point of the front axle is an awkward engineering on the grenadier. PPS: Grenadier's tie rod looks a bit thicker, yes, but the 80 series has got 2 tie rods sharing the job.
“It’s got the Mott’s” awesome!
Im sooo glad they sell this vehicle in the USA hopefully it will prompt Nissan to bring over the SAS Patrol that is sold in other markets same for the Toyota LC.
If Toyota sold the Australian LC 70-Series in the U.S. I would have bought one years ago. V8 Turbo Diesel, manual transmission, f/r solid axles with lockers, 2200 pound payload, 7700 pound towing capacity and the size of a Jeep Gladiator.
11:00 dang already a rock chip in the upright windshield
The secret behind serious overlanding is RANGE. The 2024 Land Cruiser has 670 miles of range and is a hybrid with solid mpg. Unless you want to carry cans of gas or stop every few hours. Toyota is 20 years ahead, the old LC shows how they always get it right
I love Toyota Landcruisers too
But damn, Tommy, you own a Jeep Wrangler
It feels that comparing Grenadier with 2024 Land Cruiser (Prado) would be more realistic and relevant.
Different price group, but similar size and capabilities.
Grenadier is out of many people’s price range, while new TLC is a more realistic option.
I seen one in Parker last week
Current KING of locker response times has to be the Ford Bronco !!
I drove the Grenadier, great car, really feels like something special. I’m not sure about the powertrain though, it felt good for sure but i’m not sure about the reliability of a BMW powertrain for offroading. I guess if you’re overlanding or bit of rock crawling it’ll be fine, but i’m a dune basher, so there’s an unknown element there. Anyways time will tell. if you have the money definitely consider it.
I understand your concerns. Earlier tonight I looked up the B58 BMW engine used in the Grenadier. The BMW B58 engine used in the Ineos Grenadier is the same version that is used in the 2020 Toyota Supra. The Ineos application is detuned from 335hp to 282hp, which means it is less stressed also. After 2020, Toyota went with another version of the B58 that makes 382hp in markets that don't conform to the EU emissions requirements.
we used to have a Land Cruiser just like that one, sure did make turns wide.
I'm pretty sure there is supposed to be a metal air dam under the radiator on the 80. I think mine is under my toolbox lol
79 series has front and rear factory lockers, solid front and rear axels , v8 manual diesel in 2023 since 2007 and released maybe in 1985 (in the rest of the world ) . I know you review these trucks, just dropping comments .
Well, that jsut sold me even more on an older landcruiser and my own ability to fix it.
Though my dream is still a HJ60 and not the 80.
I’d take the Land Cruiser hands down
Totally agree. This is like a British AMC ,hacked together from a bunch of manufacturers parts which unless the company thrives the software will be abandoned. Also looks like a lot of bmw switchgear which will never hold up. Cool looking, but that's about it. Yea, don't trade in your Series 80...
Man, if only there were other solid axle front and rear vehicles with axle lockers front and rear in the US for less than 86K. Wouldn’t it be cool too if we had some that came with bigger than 31.5 in (yes- they’re 31.5s) tires too? 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Ineos Granadier arrived in North America as well .
Very interesting vehicle, I don't think it offers enough over my 6th gen manual transmission Bronco with the Sasquatch package to make the price worth it for me. But curious to see how this stacks against the new Land Cruiser.
What brand are those seat covers with storage? Do they make a set for an LX470?? Would love to get extra storage in my 100 series.
The owner talks about the seat covers in the video on TFLCar where they put it on the rollers.
The most common generation of the Land Cruiser where I live is the 200 series, strangely. I say "strangely" because of the last three previous generations, that's the most expensive and least fuel efficient one. You almost won't even find a 100 series for sale anywhere here. You may find a few 70 series here and there, but most of them are used by the military.
I still can't believe why Toyota designed that binding front solid axle/radius arms combo.
It is interesting how close the Grenadier and the 80 are. Goes to show you Toyota got the formula right. 14mpg also shows you that you can't cheat physics. Heavy solid axle full time 4wd brick with I6? crap mileage.
@2:40 if you bury the brake pedal, then rev to 2000 or so, then slowly ease off the brake, it might work better to fake lockers than the technique you were trying
I could have sworn I saw this in Lacey 1 week ago. Seeing that he came from Seattle, I wonder if it was him. So cool.
The one you saw was my bro's
That was me. Occasional errands during my engine break-in period and the old Lacey Costco gas-station trip. This truck is epic. mine has much darker windows now than factory now (ordered without the manufacturer tint option).
Tommy will do a professional review when TFL has the one they purchased. Still waiting on new videos to come
The 80 series differentials are also off set. The rear is not centered.
This thing is cool, and pretty much a rich guy toy, so the price seems reasonable taking that into consideration. I'm disappointed by the lack of skid plating though, and the steering looks like it hangs a little low. I also wish they had sourced GM V8 engines rather than the BMW, but that's just me. Really curious to see one of these lifted with a 33 on it, I think the small tires are also a negative.
If Ineos and Edison Motors got together they make the best vehicle ever.
Give me a 70 series Land Cruiser and call it a day.
Same
most 4x4 wagons as they are called in some markets or Sports Utility Vehicles they are more sport than utility ,have to have independent rear axle for a smooth ride , most mid size are more luxury than off road only good mid size is 4runner ,full size are more of a 3 row luxury Family school bus, to bad the LC200 had to be more luxury car than utilitarian is what we wanted and not $90k we would of bought them
Went so much slower through those dips to get the Land Cruiser stuck a little.
I hope they update the traction control system in the next iteration. It's underwhelming compared to most of the competition. Front articulation isn't great even compared to an IFS vehicle. Sway bar disconnect might improve this.
anyone knows whats the OTD price right now?
The grenadier looks like it will be fun to drive. Would be funny if 50 years from now it’s the benchmark vintage vehicle all others are compared to
Nope. 4runners will be
I've owned a couple 80 series landcruisers - both had front/rear diff lockers. One was lifted like yours with 35" tires. It was a beast for sure, very capable. It's cool to see how beefy the Ineos is built underneath, it seems to be built to similar standards as the 80 series, however I would worry about long term reliability with the engine/transmission knowing they're BMW sourced. I have a feeling that LC may still outlast it lol
You are completely right. BMW components are the last thing I would want on Australian roads, not to mention off-road. I had a test drive of this car. To be honest, in comparison with the Toyota LC 70 series, the Grenadier looks, feels, and actually is quite shitty. Logically, for people who have spent $100k on this vehicle, my words might be hard to swallow. However, I had my eye on this vehicle myself, and after testing, examining it closely, and careful consideration, I returned to the Toyota LC 70 series.
An 80 series Land Cruiser, but what year? No A-Trac? Too old for that, I guess. But, fantastic articulation! I would love to have one!
80 series was last built in the 1990s I think.
Really interested why TFL did not compare a solid axle that may more recent in the US?
Would the Ineos have had more aggressive brake locking in 4 low? Without even having to lock the axles?
It was fine in their video posted on TFLCar where they did the roller test. They mentioned they would do that later in this video, but the roller video was posted several days ago.
Nice comparison. Your 80 series is missing the factory front bash plate and transmission oil pan skid plate.
How about a Grenadier vs Jeep Rubicon comparo?
i had the 80s series and 100 series.....i gotta say 100 series is much much much alldround vehicle
Do this with the 80 and the 4runner and Bronco and see if the solid axle is better than modern traction control
The Bronco and 4Runner have solid rear axles. You’ll have to compare with say a Honda Passport or Tahoe.
I haven't finished the video yet, but I can tell you I've seen the 80 on their trenches course and they recently had a Honda Pilot Trailsport that did much better than the open diff 80 in that course. Case's Disco 2 with traction control on small street tires also outperformed the 80 on 35's. Open diff vehicles are relatively helpless, solid axle or not.
@trailrunnah8886 that was my experience in other open diff 4wds but my 80 has blown me away so far. I took it to moab and it went everywhere an FJ Cruiser with a rear locker went. I couldn't really get it stuck anywhere.
Let’s hope there is an aftermarket shifter to replace that very odd BMW one
LAND CRUISER , that particular model, race in 2024 DAKAR RALLY in Saudi.
i want one so bad
Can we do a 94-96 Bronco comparison?
says, they are the best off roader can get past a little articulation that some crossovers did LOL.
What is better Grenadier or Land Cruiser 200?
Love the grenadier but why not just buy a used gwagon at the price? Parts are abundant, and most gwagons are relatively reliable.
The Land Cruiser has been legendary since 1951. It has proven durability, proven reliability and proven build quality. The Ineos is wholly unproven with BMW engine and electronics.
Whilst the B58 engine is good for a BMW engine and is used in the Supra (because it's a Z4), it still has common BMW issues. Namely, Coolant Consumption/Loss, Valve Cover Gasket issues, PCV Valve Failure, Oil Filter “Disintegrating” issues and VANOS Solenoids failure. How do I know this? We own a M340i. Whilst a very fun car to drive, the oil pump already needed to be replaced after 2 years.
Needs sway bar disconnects even if they are manual.
Old new school works quit well. Underbody protection should be standard, considering the price, and what it is build for. One downside is that BMW engine. Its way to expensive to repair, and was never specificly made for real tough offroading. Just adapted. As proven in the old LR Defender.
The BMW B58 engine used in the Ineos Grenadier is the same version that is used in the 2020 Toyota Supra. The Ineos application is detuned from 335hp to 282hp, which means it is less stressed also. After 2020, Toyota went with another version of the B58 that makes 382hp in markets that don't conform to the EU emissions requirements. I expect the Ineos version also uses a smaller turbo that spools up faster for low end torque and power.
The B58 has been proven quite reliable actually. If there is anything BMW knows how to make well in this day it is straight six petrol and diesel engines. Their more complicated V8:s and V10:s have been problematic but their new engines are actually very good. Gearbox is solid too (ZF).