Cooler Master MasterBox NR200P Max Review
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- Today James reviews the new Cooler Master MasterBox NR200P Max - following on from the Non Max which Leo reviewed on Kitguru a while ago. James was sent a bundle, available on Scan UK for £319.99 including the case, an AIO and a 850W power supply. James is certainly impressed with the case. Find out why today... read more here: bit.ly/3CzoA1T
00:00 Start
00:15 Introduction
00:52 The bundle / pricing
02:48 The MAX case, up close
05:20 V850 power supply
05:51 Subtle changes
09:12 What's in the accessories box?
10:08 Default configuration / panels
10:50 Test configuration
11:37 Building the system
15:11 Installing the AMD CPU Block / CPU
16:11 Admiring the routing - installing drives
17:30 Installing the graphics card
19:07 How much space have we got for fans?
20:21 Reassembling the case
20:57 James' views on the case
22:35 Thermal Testing and closing thoughts
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I really liked how you showed the various 2.5 & 3.5 HDD placement. Keep up the good work!
Searched long and hard for the max RAM clearance for this case but you've answered my question with that Corsair Dominator inside. Exactly what i intend to use for my build. Thank you!
Such a great case for somebody who is building there first SF system. I had the NR200P and it was such a great case. I switched to the lian li o11 mini because I want a custom loop with multiple rads. Keep up the great work you guys.
What is sf system?
@@rukhsah small factor
That's actually pretty cool. Wish more companies would do something like that for ITX cases.
Great review!
I would have liked to see the bottom fans as exhaust. The fins on the RTX 3070 push air direcly into the bottom fans, so an intake actually fights the gpus cooler. As exhaust 2 bottom fans might be able to remove a significant amount of the hot air coming from the gpu, while passivley making it easier to pull cool air through the side panel and reducing the overal temperature in the case for better cpu thermals. Still a very detailed review!
Love this case. Great review again KitGuru. 👍
thanks!
This ist the best in detail review of this case. I watched like 4 other videos before and your video just contains every information i needed (like what fan could fit in the bottom?). Thank you :)
finaly i found a video about this case, with someone shows whitch fans can be installed at the bottom. good video! thx alot
Hey thanks for a really good and detailed review. My 3900xt hits 85 on full load even in a fractal design define 7 xl with plenty of fans and a massive air cooler. So id say the thermal performance in this case is surprisingly good.
Maybe u messed up fan configuration?
Great lil bundle for a first time builder.
Oooh, another Coolermaster MasterMaster MasterBox BoxMaster NRMaster200 MasterP MaxMaster.
NOICE.
Great review!!! The thing I like is the way the cables from the PSU and AIO hoses are custom length so you don't have a wad of cables in every crevice. I can confirm that 2 Noctua or Artic 120 x 120 x 15mm fans will work in the bottom which does help about 10° with the temps. Using the vented side panel panel also helps with temps on higher wattage CPU / GPU. I have a AMD 5900x and Radeon RX 6900 XT at max draw the temps are within optimal.
Late reply but do you have your bottom fans set as exhaust or intake?
Good job on this review.
Thanks! 😃
Very nice.
It's still my preferred case for my next build (probably in the summer). I'll probably try the TG panel depending on what parts I get. I'm glad you spotted that the floor can take both a 15mm and 25mm fan.
320 is a little higher than I was expecting but still good value with a quality 280mm AIO, 850w PSU, choice of side panel and Gen4 riser.
If anyone has GPU sag I saw one reviewer cut some of the black foam to prop up the GPU.
The best cable management I've seen for this case on UA-cam
It is already done bro 😂😂😂😂😂
@@vishalvan3317 I wouldn't say that's the case. The cables are pre-routed for you and the provided velcro straps make it easier for you to cable manage. You do however still need to do some extra cable management after putting in the rest of the parts (depending on what you put into the system) if you want a clean look which in this video is done fairly well. Also you don't have to be a smart-ass with dumb comments like this one
@@dannymasri2910 sorry 😐😐 bro it seems that you have been pissed by me
Current pricing:
Lian Li A5 + v850 + ML240 cooler = $385 - NR200P Max is going for over $450 now. The A5 route gives you more room for cooler or PSU upgrades dollar wise.
i paid 310 euros for mine
I have a single fan set to exhaust, mainly because the Rog 3090 strix centre fan area seems to be the hottest point, by pulling that heat out rather than letting that rise, seems to work for me... overall it s great case, under load my gpu run at 1925+ around 68-72 most of the time, CPU is 77..
I have 2x 15mm fans as exhaust under the gpu and they lower the temps by 3 degrees on the gpu with side panel. AIO set to exhaust also.
15:47 love the MX-5 drip trail to trigger the cpu TIM appliers OCD there James 🥰🥳 pure lols 😂 😆 😝
Haha I'm glad someone appreciated that. 😆
Great review of a really cool case
Personally, I'm not a fan of the cramped space, like with any mini-tower, but that's just my opinion and I see the appeal
Thank you for the video and keep up the good work 👍
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the review. 👍
Hi, really nice video. Hope you can help me, im trying to do this exact build but dont know where to plug the AIO header into the Mobo (or into whatever needs to be plug) i dont understand why you Connect the CPU fan header before installing the AIO, i dont know if im wrong but the CPU fan header is the AIO header? And if not where to Connect this 2? Thank you in advance!!!
I'm pretty sure reversing the fans with intake on top and exhaust down below would do miracles for the temperatures. That way you have two intakes with fresh air (cpu & gpu) and outtake near the bottom, expelling the heat generated by the system. Now some might say exhausting from the top is preferable, but only the OG nr200p is better suited to that config, with two fans pushing in from below, and then GPU and CPU heat being expelled from the top. Overall some of the two best SFF cases out there!
Others have tested it doesn't really help much
@@andrewszerbiak7330 For most of these cases we're only talking about a few different degrees anyway, so every little bit helps. In my case, just reversing the CPU cooler direction on my NR200 helped tremendously when running CPU+GPU on full load. Granted, this is not a common usage pattern, but it is the best way to test the true thermal limits of a cooling solution, as both heat sources are maxed out. I always find it odd that reviewers either test CPU or GPU, but seldom both at the same time, even though some games can be quite punishing on both.
@@Havanu81 go watch gamers nexus they test everything. And depending on how airflow is in your case of course changing the direction of your air cooler to match as best as possible would help.
@@andrewszerbiak7330 Gamers nexus mostly test cases in stock configuration, with only the shipped fans installed. Their reviews focuse more on build quality and features than trying out all the different cooling options. Love Steve though, his cynicism often makes my day! Machines & More is really the NR200 expert at this point. His channel is wild when it comes to exploring all the possible options with that case. I also like Optimum Tech a lot, great production values.
This might be one of the very rare occasions where I'll say a GPU with a blower style cooler may benefit.
There's a lot of heat soak from the GPU going to the radiator in this case. A blower that exhausts most of the GPU heat out of the back of the case could help CPU temperature.
Unfortunately I didn't have a blower card on hand to test the theory.
It's nice for those new to building PCs but I'd like to have a semi-custom loop (alphacool) in one and I already have a SFX PSU that I paid good money for, including custom braided cables. I also have the parts for a loop, including the pump-block combo, radiator, quick disconnect fittings etc. I don't see why they won't sell the case standalone or with different parts combos. There are many people who might be interested in the case but won't want to deal with paying all the money upfront to sell the unnecessary parts later.
Yeah I agree. It would be good for Cooler Master to offer this version of the chassis to purchase seperately.
Great review as always. I'm surprised though in 2021 that CM refuses to include a USB type C as part of the IO. Was really hoping the successor to the NR200P would've included that. Would've been a slam dunk in my opinion if it included a type C port.
I can see your point but I suppose its not too difficult to plug in type-C at the back in an sff case like this as it would more than likely be placed on the desk, so not as awkward to get to as a bigger case on the floor etc.
Is a type-C really that needed, in a case? There are zero devices I'd use, that would use that port. I'd rather them stick with type-A.
@@madness1931 exactly, the only product I've really seen that even does usb c is steelseries aerox mice, and I don't even own them. For me a type A over a type C is pretty much common sense, the only things I can think are like newer usb c dvd readers but idk
Type c isn't for budget cases. Nr200p is a budget itx case
@@Fregatte86 sure although I've seen more budget cases with usb c than I've seen high end cases with it
I find it odd that they didn't make holes for 140mm fans on the bottom when they would seemingly fit otherwise. Some Arctic P14 slims would go really well in there.
I think they could do a version without the front IO panel, use the logo as the power button, and turn the psu 90 degree, to make the cables even short and clean.
Agreed. Without the front obstructed, you could put on a mesh front panel with 120mm fans as intake there.
May I ask sir? Is there any ITX Mobo for AM4 with triple slots M.2 NVME?
Or 2 slots M.2 NVME with PCIE Gen 4 ?
Hi need help where did you plug in the 3pin for the cpu cooler?
thank you
Let's hope the nr200 be sold without the bundle not so far in the future
can the AIO be enough for 13900k for medium tasks? (Music Production)
In your setup at 12:45 the radiator fans were connected to the CPU Fan header.
Was the pump connected to the sys1 header?
So far I thought the cpu fan header has to be connected with the pump.
I never had an AIO that's why I'm wondering if it does make a difference where the pump is connected to or if both options are fine?
My question exactly
For me the NR200P Max is a bit of a mixed bag - it's definitely great for building and the convenience can't be ignored. However, the performance of the stock NR200 is just better by all accounts. In the NR200 you are able to side mount the radiator as an intake with a horizontal GPU, which helps the cpu temps a lot. Its layout is also more flexible - i.e do you want bottom or side radiator, and vertical or horizontal gpu?. The NR200 can also accommodate tower coolers rather than being forced to use an AIO.
My understanding is that installing a radiator at the bottom would he a bad idea and will cause damage to the AIO. And the stock NR200P doesn't allow mounting to the top unfortunately. Which is probably why the Max was changed to allow it.
No way to top mount AIO in 200p, the included power supply and AIO with the 200max give it a cleaner look and make the price bump even more worth it
I like it
I feel like the vert gpu on 30 series cards with the "flow through cooling" would be blowing hot air straight into the PSU area, or the PSU is choking the back of the card, blocking the air
IS there no heat buildup problem having a drive directly on the power supply and/or between the GPU and power supply?
That will all depend on how much load is put on the system but there should be some airflow across the drive since the AIO fans are directly above it.
Fit two slim 120 mm fans on the floor exhausting out through the floor mesh. Works great with the mesh side panel.
Not really, the one gpu side the riser cable blocks any flow, and fan psu side does nothing, other than add noise.
I really loathe this extra fan advice, it’s not needed.
Only heat ever felt is the psu venting through the rad.
Wasted £30 on Corsair fans.
My cpu (5600) is 40c max and 6950xt hits 78c max with the mesh panel.
Being so open, the case runs neutral pressure wise.
@@christinaedwards5084Drops 3 degrees on the gpu for me
Hi guys. I need some advice on building a system with this case. I want to know what would be the best air cooling setup in this case? I will be using an i5 13400 cpu and rtx 4060ti/rtx 4070 ti combo. I want to build using this case but have no idea about how to setup this system to run cool (50-60 c max ) on full load. Is it even possible? Please suggest an air cooling setup to achieve these thermal results
As an owner of the OG NR200P I am very happy with my HTPC build in it. I currently run a Ryzen 5900x, 32 GB Ram (3600Mt/s) 2.5TB M.2 NVME, 4TB SSD & RTX3080Ti on my LG 4K Oled and love the experience. I’m looking at going to a Closed Loop water cooling setup shortly. At the moment p, while getting a little warm on the GPU, no throttling has ever occurred and next to no performance drops either 🥰👍🥳 the NR200 is an awesome little pc case to build in 🥰👍
can I attach 3.5HDD to the PSU shroud, with the GPU attached?
Please major question .. I'm looking to build the MasterBox NR200P MAX but I want the "Flamingo Pink" .. so if I purchased both cases are the exterior panels interchangeable?? Big huge thanks if you know the answer. 😎👍
.. this is going to be for my granddaughter.
@@DJaquithFL The panels are interchangeable
@@anthonyquattrocchi6252 .. THANK YOU! 👍👍
Case seems perfect for my plans for a more portable gaming desktop. Too bad you cannot get one in the states. :/
You can order in Germany and they will send it to you :) try it
Hi ! I am planning on building a pc using nr200p max case. I have noticed that new rtx 4000 series cards are using 3 or even 4 separate 8 pin PCIE cables. If I am not mistaken, the case comes with only 2. As I am a begginer in PC world, could you please explain me how it works and how can I safely install rtx 4080 in this case ?
its very easy. i have a 4090 in it. no problem. just make sure the length of the gpu stays within the limit
Small cases work best with negative pressure configurations. If you flipped that bottom fan to exhaust, you should have better results. Otherwise, great video.
Really ? I tried that before with my last small form factor and it rose temps by 1-2c compared to having cool air coming in from bottom and up over the components then out the top as the heat rises.
@@theonlyredspecial with a vertical GPU mount, negative pressure works very well. Take a look at some of Optimum Tech videos..... He has proven this in a few cases.
@@scatterforce yeah I watch a lot of videos, and try many things these tech youtubers say. this particular one never worked for me..... first hand....
@@theonlyredspecial Certainly doesen't work in all setups, but the vertical gpu cooler fins (in non blower-style cards) move the air directly into the bottom fans, that's why the temps were actually worse with a bottom intake in this test.
Top and front panel are they metal or plastic? Thanks. Very tidy build and the first I've seen that shattered-glass look GameRock card has not seemed too faux flash placcy to live.
Top panel is plastic but the front is metal.
@@KitGuruJames Thanks!
Was no thermalpaste includet?
Oh they are able to improve on the design a lot... just by adding extra centimeters in height to allow for a dual rad/quad fan in total - top and bottom - or triple rad/hexa fan - top and bottom and side - organisation. They could replace the simple metal plate front panel with a reservoir with an integrated pump, fill/drain ports on the outside/bottom edges and connections to all the rads routed out of sight, then it could be the only mass produced triple rad SFF for CPU and GPU open loop liquid cooling with massive heat capacity due to large amount of rad volume... I mean triple 280mm would have made it truly maxxed out... And they could start offering it with the 1kW+ PSUs they've released at the same time as this MAX variant, just to have a lot of leeway for both een more power hungry and heat-generating components. Those alterations would have made this case more as the name suggests ;)
Keep in mind that by keeping the same chassis as before is probably a cost-based decision, as fabrication of this variant is only a matter of swapping some panels around, keeping the manufacturing cost down. The options you suggest would push the whole config into the 450€-500€+ territory, which pushes the case into boutique custom cases section of the market, where the materials used are probably not premium enough as most cases in that segment are made of aluminium, turning this into a very low volume product.
@@Havanu81 Well they could somewhat easily add a side-mount same as on the regular variants albeit maybe moved lower same as the mobo assembly, that way you could have a 2 rad variant, and the front panel switch for a watercooling reservoir/pump combo could be almost as easy, since the fron structure already has a few holes so both the cabling and tubing has space/cutouts somewhat present. From cost and tooling perspective it's a realtively small bump, and the case could function as a promotional combo unit for all the best things on offer, thus going for the higher powered PSU could well promote their new SFX PSUs as well...
@@marcin_karwinski True! But how many people really water-cool their GPU's with a custom loop, voiding the warranty while they're at it? It just seems like a highly risky customized setup that not many will attempt. Let's not forget that this is really an entry level SFF case pricewise.
@@marcin_karwinski I don't think a GPU would still fit vertically with a radiator and fan installed that way. In the OG nr200, there was barely enough room to fit a normal CPU aio on the side-mount to begin with.
@@Havanu81 It might have been true earlier, but nowadays, with all the price hikes, you could easily find GPUs with a manufacturer installed block in the water-cooled variants... thus not only do you not void warranty but also you could get those for the same price as regular fanned units. Thus a mass-produced solution would certainly be first and only on the market ;) Good creds for the marketing department. And the MAX variant, even though you might consider it entry level SFF pricewise, is not exactly entry-level - the regular might have been, and it was cheaper due to the manufacturer being able to mass produce them. So yeah, I think that they could have gone a step further before calling the case "MAX" ;)
Hi, I wonder where the pump header should be connected to because I don't have a specific pump fan port on my motherboard.
then i have bad news for you sister
@@brentschmogbert I figured out, worthless comment.
Cpu fan
We need an actual successor to the NR200P with USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C.
Apparently this case can fit Asus x Noctua cards... that's INSANE for mini ITX case.
All CM had to do was move the GPU 5mm up to make room for two full size fans at the bottom. I have other things I would change but the reason why they didn't do it this is beyond me.
5mm Cooler Master!
Honestly, the extra fans at the bottom are pointless.
The one gpu side as an intake just hits the riser cable and as exhaust it hardly makes a difference other than bringing more dust into the system.
I took mine out, reduced noise, reduced power consumption, stopped air drafts wafting into my hands.
can you fit any drives on the psu shroud with this card?
what kind of drives
You can install them on bottom of case or behind the front panel which also just pulls off
You can fit one to PSU shroud however might get in way of gpu
Still got a empty nr200 waiting to be filled
Are they going to make a version without the junk that comes with it? I’m not into buying a bunch of stuff I don’t need for one item I do need.
I hope the chassis does become available seperately. I think that would appeal to customers that already use a SFF case and want to swap to this.
Cooler master increased the price to $500 usd, atleast for the usa market havent check the others.
this case just needs a front usb c and itl be perfect!
Fans as exhaust on the bottom is the ticket.
Really? id never do that, heat rises, always best sucking in cold air front and bottom, and as heat rises, kick it out the back and top.
If they want to improve upon this they should make it ever so slightly taller so you can fit two 30mil thick fans in the bottom. (Phanteks T30 😉)
Yeah I was looking at those Phanteks fans the other day. I like the look of those.
The flaw with this layout change is that now the case will only fit ITX boards where beforehand the NR200P could also fit smaller mATX motherboards.
Honestly for an *itx* case not being able to fit mATX motherboards doesn't *really* sound like a downside :D
Can the included AIO cooler cool an i7-13700k tho?
yes it can. 65degrees (not freedom units) under load with fans set to intake
I love this case but i would want a different colour.. white would do me
I m waiting for my 4090 to come in on Monday then I m building mine, orange case is sold out every web that don't come with combo
Anyone know where to purchase in the UK?
yes i do know
I don't think you can fit mini dtx motherboard here... motherboard placement has been shifted down bas of the aio on top.
Price has gone up to £329.99, still worth it though IMHO.
However, given I'm running a 5800x and 3080FE this might not be the right case for me...
This is good if you want to build a console to surf the web or light gaming or simply want a very small form factor but not a real gaming PC being overclocked.
You could easily build a ‘real gaming PC’ in this case 🧐
I believe the original NR200 is probably more suited for that, as a cheap air-cooled cpu and a low-wattage PSU are more than sufficient for that task.
Added 2 noctua 120mm slim fans at the bottom as intake and adjusted the fan curves so aio fan never drops below 30% for constant exhaust, runs my 10900k and rtx 3090 just fine without anything overheating or throttling
Sad that the max loses DTX support, would have been interested except my Crosshair Impact VIII cries in being too thicc. lol.
Only scary thing is that I hope one of the chip will not burn the wire that made of fabric after long term use, because it's touching mother board n ram🔥🔥🔥🔥 I would not wanna touch it , & I hope all these power supply company can make these wire super skinny ,I don't know why they don't do it
Well isn't this just peachy. Right after I finished a new mini-ITX build...
what case are you using Bob?
@@KitGuruTech This time - Thermaltake Core V1 Snow. And it was a pain finding it. But the customer was adamant about the dimensions so I had to sign a contract with blood... Forget about that, though. The thing is my own rig is in the NR400 and I wish this NR200P was available back then ;(
the only reason i dont buy this case is there is no type-C in front panel :(
yeah good luck findin a similar case then
Really disappointing the case is great but they force you to buy their AIO and PSU in order to get the NRP200P Max they don't have a option to buy just the case.
Cooler Master has increased the price on this in the US (along with already terrible stock), not sure about everywhere else. They're now selling this for $500, not worth it in my opinion.
Yeah at $500 i cant even recommend this to friends getting in to pc building.
@@Deviantsoundz $500 USD currently converts to around £365 GBP which would negate any savings on buying all the parts of this package seperately.
Luckily for us, the Price is still at £319.99 in the UK and stock is available right now.
@@KitGuruJames it actually makes alot of sense to buy different stuff separately as the 850w psu is over kill for most gpus people can get and the aio looks plain and its not like a performance stand out.
Both older cases go on sale often for $70 to $100 for the nr200 and nr200p, corsair 600w psu for $90 after rebate and a fractal lumen s24 for $100.
@@Deviantsoundz I hope Cooler Master sell the chassis in this configuration separately.
I agree that it would be good to have the option to choose your own PSU and AIO for sure.
@@KitGuruJames as long as the price is right and offer more than 1 color i can see it been a good option. I recently got rid of my nr200 in black and working on a 011 mini now. Was waiting for the 011 evo but the mini went on sale with their 750w psu for $150 and i just couldn't say no to that.
This is such a nicely designed case, perfect for an all-purpose PC or workstation and blessedly absent a pointless side window. Therefore, I can’t imagine why you would want to stuff a big blingy electronic-clown-car video card into this machine. Does every single build on this channel have to be a gaming PC. Don’t you people ever do anything useful with your computers?
Why would you use this case, why not get something far smaller and run an apu.
It’s a big itx to accommodate a big gpu
Beautiful and clean minimalist designed case combined with the ugliest robust gpu I've seen yet. I mean...Why?
It was simply the longest and fattest GPU I had on hand at the time of the review.
Pl remove the table mat it is spoiling all scene, making confused with the overall view.
Keep white or full orange or any other color.
the motherboard is faulty. the memory should be 1.35 volt. but 1.404 CH A/B volt . this not good. send it back to the store.
Too bad you can't buy it anywhere.
Those are not zip ties, those are tweezers!
dont forget the alen key, swiss army knife and thermal paste spreader!
I have one and watch out, the powersupply has an horrible coil noise :) :) What a joke.
return it then. mine is absolutely perfect
its an AIO not an AO your leaving the letter I out
Nope, just how it sounds with my Yorkshire accent. I definitely know what an AIO is, but thanks for pointing it out, I'll try harder next time.
This thing cost 300euro, what the heck ?
with 280mm aio, very good psu and rizer cable..good deal. good luck finding an qeual case for less.
NR200P costs 350£ now, not worth it anymore.
That’s called inflation, in reality it’s still the same price, just unfortunately our wages haven’t increased the same way.
It is worth it if you’re starting from scratch with a build
All that wasted space when you could just go with a nice air cooler.
that might be the ugliest GPU I've seen in years
Ugly you mean unique. Most gpu all look the same, black plastic. Zzzzz
@@TheEvilPenguinGamer I'm not saying that black plastic is better or more exciting but that thing is kitschy as fuck