The US has it a lot better than many other countries as far as transparency about the facts of cases actually, but yes this is one case I would at least want the trial audio
If only the judge would allow cameras or at least microphones in 🙄 sounds like she’s helping hide the actual truth . She’s been dirty this whole case .
In my opinion this is the biggest trial of at the least 5 past years. For there to be no video REALLY hurt me.. I just learned today no microphones either. I just can't imagine what "good" reason she has to deny both or those.. Especially for this case specifically. I would like to know what other cases she has worked on.
@@66.sixty.1 it can only be because she knows there will be a public outcry if her shenanigans are videoed or recorded. She was one of the judges that was in favour of cameras in the courtrooms. So why not in HER courtroom.
To be honest, I’ll never feel confident that the killer or killer(s) were caught. Regardless of this guys 60 confessions and his odd behavior… I’ll always wonder. It took so many years to find the guy, a guy who was on radar and came into the police station in the beginning? Something is off here.
IMO it’s the Largest Cover-up from high-up, & involves several “authorities” from different counties, as well. IMO Carrie from HC is involved with this & another boy from that county. It’s sickening! They use kids from their sickness & make big “bonuses” from it 🤢
NO have you not seen the videos and read the documents on prior hearings?? That JUDGE is the one keeping the camera and microphones out ! she keeps trying to keep away the defense about the ODINISTS … she has fired that man’s lawyers over and over again that even said they’d work for his defense PRO BONO …. it’s the judge stopping the investigation and the findings found from the investigators about the ODNISTS which would help prove HE IS INNOCENT . look into the judge she is CROOKED.
The state conveniently lost some of the evidence . Sounds fishy to me. And for the judge to keep him in a state prison instead of a county jail is disgraceful.😡
@Jessica-pd5wx She's I've gone back and forth with regard to my opinion of her. Initially, I thought she seemed decent and reasonably fair, but as the months proceeded to pass, my opinion of her gradually grew less and less favorable. And here I stand today caught right along the line between loving her and utterly despising her lol. No middle ground, it seems.
When I hear something like “the guy confessed 60 times” I’m saying to myself “seems excessive” like someone is making him do that. 60 confessions is nuts. I’ve never heard of such a thing.
I think he's innocent. The evidence is very weak, and he seems more like isn't going good of his head, people need calm down, we all see so many innocent people being freed aft long time in jail, now, the guy deserves a fair trial. The one was before him in jail has a lot more evidence than this one.
I believe he's innocent. People on the internet need to calm down, we all see so many innocent people getting free after a long time in jail. It doesn't have strong evidence against him. He deserves a fair trail and he isn't getting a fair beginning.
You cannot tell me that there is absolutely NO DNA evidence anywhere. This case still doesn't make any sense to me. Is Richard Allen's DNA found anywhere on these little girls? Basically all we hear is that one of his bullets were found. I feel so sorry for the families that have to relive this terrible crime against these two precious girls.
@@Dawn-g3q so the arrest affidavit only gives some of what the prosecutor has on him( usually 10-20 percent of the overall evidence) . It’s designed to provide just enough for an arrest but not enough for a conviction . Most of the evidence is only revealed to the public during the trial. So it could be his dna is found on them but we don’t know till Trial.
@@thia41012 Bob Motta has said it a few times, as have others who have been in court for the hearings. I do read comments, and I realise people have their opinions but I’m referring to people who have experienced being in court with her the last few hearings.
States not sacred of it. There is zero evidence that Brad Holder was at trails that day. He was clocked in at work and then at 4:20 he was at a gym. No dna, geofencing, eye witnesses, or physical evidence ties Brad Holder to the trails that day. So unless the defense has something that does tie these people to Delphi, by law, 3rd party suspects don’t get to be added to trial.
Lol Whatever Anna was too busy bar hoping and man hoping Abby absolutely was seeing Logan Holder. Even confirmed by Patrick Westfall. Know your facts before you start vomiting misinformation 😂
@COURT TV Did you know that Gull was the lead Judge in pushing for cameras in Indiana courtrooms? She pushed for it,got it and refuses to have it in her own courtroom. The purest form of hippocracy in my opinion.
@@hiawatha703It’s okay for people to reassess their opinions and change their minds-that's a positive attribute for a judge. It's also okay to avoid sweeping one-size-fits-all policies that don't consider the unique circumstances of individual cases.
Multiple people confessed multiple times to being "witches" too during the witch trials!! There are many cases throughout the history where innocent people have " confessed" under awful conditions, and threats..
I wonder what’s the state’s theory about how he actually was able to do those murders unnoticed, by himself, in a very short period of time, in a very bizarre ritualistic manner, with no history, with being in public eye and taken under custody after 7 years all while local odonists and alike teased the internet with all sort of hints that they are responsible for the murders
Will someone please let me know why ppl are saying this??! I didn’t like what they had to say this episode but this is 3rd comment I’ve seen about them and wanna know what’s happened lol
I doubt you will ever see Bob Motta on the same platform as the Murder Sheet in this life time. No one can figure out why Vinnie keeps trotting these two out, who are going to die on the hill that Allen is guilty regardless of what the evidence shows because IT IS HOW THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY. Being controversial by releasing private personal messages from anyone associated or supportive of the defense. They are a walking lawsuit people, and I can't wait until they get sued.
Did he gave out details that isn’t revealed ? I don’t believe he did it. I honestly believe the conditions he was in forced him to confess. He claim he shot them in back and that never happened
I have an issue with the "only the killer would know" details, and here is why. He has attorneys with the mountain of evidence... photos, videos, reports. They must have shared some of it with him, somehow. He may be privy to all this knowledge already just by the evidence his attorneys have shared.
Why? Why? Do you have Murder Sheet on. Neither Greenlee is an expert in criminal law. You can do better!! There is no reason to watch this, if you are going have amatures reporting on complex legal issues.
@@gibbo822 Kevin Greenlee has represented a party in court exactly 2 x, neither time on a criminal charge. The Greenlees are the failed professionals. They look as if a moment ago they were scavenging food from a dumpster. These are not astute legal analysts. At least Bob Motta practiced criminal law in a court of law. Is Susan Hendricks even a real author? What expertise does she bring? There are actually quite a lot of accomplished Indiana criminal defense attorneys who could be on these panels.
@@jamesdove8021 Bob Motta is a fraud and banned from practicing criminal law hence why he sits on his podcast and threatens people online indirectly. He was told to recuse on the Garcia case stuck around until Garcia had no money left then recused himself. He was then suspended from practicing law go do your research
@@pamcakes1 nope Google says what he's wrote type him in here you'll see he's known for attacking female witnesses, banned from practicing until he faces the court over the Garcia money scam he pulled you can find all that just by typing his name in 🤣👍
In a courtroom hushed with anticipation, over sixty confessions loom large. Why, then, does he stand trial? Why do his defense attorneys insist on his innocence? Nothing here adds up
The ones responsible & the ones who make $$ off children. They are Masterminds of confusion, Suppression & lots of other Evils ⬇️it’s sickening Taxpayers pay their salary, all the while they make plans & traps & use & lie & make “bonuses” off it🤢
Well, nice start Vinnie but then you brought in the three most biased "experts" one can find in the county - that's what I would call manipulative. 🤷♀️ Where are Barbara McDonald and Bob Motta?
Murder Sheet are not only biased, they are being fed a narrative and are spreading the word. Have just started watching, but with them as guests, I think I will be bailing out. Love you Vinnie. Don't like these guests.
Wat because u are on RA side an now u no he has admitted it not the panel’s fault wat was actually said an not the rubbish that the defense is carrying on with
Brad Holder, who is the person in question, was looked into very aggressively. He was clocked in at work all day, leaves work, and then at 4:20pm was checking into a local gym. So nothing ties Brad Holder, the odinist, to the crime scene or even the trails. These lawyers and this show won’t tell you that though. The defense is trying to say Brad Holder had a person or persons clock into work for him. But since Brad Holder has an alibi and no eyewitness can put him at the trails or crime scene, and there is no dna, phone data, or physical evidence that puts him there the Odin theory shouldn’t and will not be allowed because it’s irrelevant. If the defense can put any of the odonists at the trails from witnesses or if there is DnA or phone evidence to put them there the conspiracy theory can be included. I respect these defense attorneys, but they are going to say and act according to their jobs.
Wrong on the 13th brad holder was brought to the police station to be a legal guardian for his son as Logan was assisting finding the girls. McLeland explains that when the defense were saying "why take his son's phone and not his" McLeland said Brad was only there to say what police could and couldn't do. Brad was never a suspect either they only had him in for assistance with odinism
@@Hannah-201 that's irrelevant the crime was wrapped up by 5.30pm even by defense witness evidence only they are contradicting that stupidly by claiming the girls left the site
The comments here are really interesting. I've thought from the start that Richard Allen was being railroaded, but I was far outnumbered by commenters demanding a hangin'. Now, almost everyone has flipped. It's kind of extraordinary.
His lawyers have shills filling up the internet. You all are going to be very surprised when it's a slam-dunk. I do agree it needs to be televised. Lack of transparency has hurt this case and allowed the defense to lie their asses off in public and have it repeated by the media despite getting contradicted in court under oath.
When police and/or prison guards say, let's give this guy some 'special treatment' and see if he'll crack, what they are talking about is torture. I believe this man was tortured.
But that wasnt said was it? I can confirm that Allen confessed and wanted to plead out but Baldwin refused and stormed out of court yesterday haha clown
@@MriahT-jt6uf aaaaahahahahaha thicko Allen confessed to a mental health nurse and told her he wanted to plead but Baldwin wouldn't let him... Baldwin stormed out of court after that hahaha you know nothing
@@gibbo822 u literally just retyped the same comment that I was replying to at first?! Ur either 13 years old or a crackhead. Type to someone else and anyone involved in the profession with shrinks is not reliable imo
Bro I literally live in Indiana and was up at 3 am and on cable tv saw a priest talking about odinism and them sacrificing people in the woods!!! Like wish I could get ahold of his attorney
If hes so eager to confess 60 times then he should have no problem providing details only the killer and police would know. If he doesn't know the details of the murders he is so eagerly confessing to then hmmmmn... 🤔🤔🤦
Honestly Vinnie wtf?! You need to confer with Gray over this one 🤦♀️ You'll no longer give 2¢ for these other theories once he sets you straight. I know he is not always popular re his attitude towards some, but he!! he is onto the Delphi case & won't tolerate any nonsense surrounding it. Yw Vinnie.
@@TeeJayNZExactly. He debunked theories down to FACT....& he doesn't know who did it either cos none of us were there...but his critical thinking sure helps to arm one with a more obvious insight.
I believe he did it. He co fessed to being there at that time and wearing the same thing as seen in the girls' video footage. However, I don't see him confessing that many times unless he just keeps repeating himself to his family. 🤷🏼♀️
The only thing that links Richard A to this crime is him being there at the time paramotors of when it happened. No foot print size matching anywhere near the bodies to Richards shoes or boots. No finger prints on the magic common bullet which take 3 to 5 prints to pickup and push in chamber holder. Girls brought directly to Ron Logan's back property nop where else but his hmmm ? Then which he ran 22 miles away at a fish store ? Asking relatives for and Alibye which was clearly a lie ??? hmmmm Why would he do this at this time this day yet no other...? Richard Alain hid his car Yes of course license suspended for a DUI common thing to do when hiding from getting caught again driving illegally.. a lot to loose if this happens... so that makes sense.. Ron logan known for violence to women and X past relationships... Ron Logan isn't innocent cops instinct in the beginning was right on. Richard Alain known for being a great husband dad fun guy...hmmmmmmm Wrong place at the wrong time... Voice matched Ron Logan's to the T Never heard Richard Alain say those words does his voice match like Ron's This murder took time ... Someone familiar with rituals!!! Oddinizm all over this town hmmmmm Richard Alain nothing on his computer nothing on his phone nothing leading or meeting the girls on bridge. So we have a Sick boy almost man well a young man posing as a sex build young boy to lore to young pretty little girls to this meeting at the bridge...Then they are taken brought to Ron Logan's house and scarifiest to this old ritual ? To much way to much... Imposter posing as this group to lead a authorities astray or is it really them ...and got caught this time... pinning it on a drunk Richard Alain.. Bloody and muddy where the girl were killed was dry brush area no mud what so ever. To many directions in this case. But. Richard A being there looking like this killer matching kinda (JC Penny cloths which is common in this town) But, my dilemma is Ron logan knows this land by the back of his hand sounds looks and would be there easily Girls brought to his land Ron logan runs 22 miles away after the killing supposedly easily 1 hour drive why? fish ? store? does he have a bill? why ask family for fake I was with you if law asks? Why? Guilty in my opinion. GIVE RICHARD ALAIN THE MILITARY TRUTH DRUG he will tell the truth hook him up to a truth machine also ..once and for all!! RICHARD call his wife all these confessions ??? he is being tourched him look at this man they broken him confess confess ... They think it is but is it. Ron ran and is connected with killers meth dealers friends kids who murdered a girl Girls are brought to his property and home...hmmmmmmmmmmmm Richard stayed and cooperated with authority's nothing on his computer nothing no nothing? no DNA finger prints shoe prints or anyone coming forward hey saw my neighbor etc... nothing? pin'd it on him looks like you were there wrong place at the wrong time. These girls were killed by a sick twisted serial killer who has done this before it would match other killings. Richard Alain has no priors at all now he at 44 years old is into ritual killings.. Someone said it was the church out there a secret church hmmmmmmm now I understand what they meant.
I'm so tired of the over top dramatics, and letting inept tools like Gray Hughes be a guest. This channel has become more like a gossipy soap opera than a true crime channel that relies on facts and evidence. It was better back a few years ago.
Earlier on in the case she made a bad decision which was overturned by the Supreme Court. A couple of her other decisions have been questionable (ordering the trial to be only 2 weeks, for example). However, so far nothing she has done has been enough to get her recused, and the consensus by people attending these pre trials seems to be that she has been fair and professional, and there have been no uprising against her for her actions or attitude lately. I am hoping all parties will come together in October and there will be a fair trial for RA.
I truly believe he is innocent. These prison guards are some how involved and o believe he or his family's lives have been threatened and he has made these confessions out of fear. I wonr believe he did this unless you can give me his dna on those girls. The wrong guy shouldnt go to prison for life if he did not do it
I might have missed it but…..was there any life changing event that occurred during this time, to Richard Allen, that might have influenced his want to do this? 44 yrs old might sound strange to start a criminal career but it might not be that far off base in some circumstances.
Ya'll are readin this wrong. We already know that the guards put him up to the confessions. He is being held in a PRISON not a jail. We already know there ARE odonite guards. The fact that he left out Libby's name isn't sinister, it goes to show that he was told what to say. If he did this his memory of that would be so very great he would never forget her name. This is another Read case. And the judge is another Auntie Bev.
There is no way they keep "forgetting" the answers to their questions. They are actively working to screw this guy over while pretending they are neutral.
The guards DID NOT threaten him to confess. The Defense literally wrote in the footnotes of the Franks Memo that they themselves fabricated this. They wrote "this is an example of what could have occured" - not an actual event.
The existence of Odinites and Odinite guards does not mean every non-Christian religion is a bunch of murderous gangsters. Christians need to drop the pagan discrimination. He was held in prison because being held in the small town jail world have been dangerous. That small town jail doesn't have enough staff to keep him safe. If they would have kept him in the jail they would have used that as a defense.
61 confessions under duress to save his own life in the place where Gull's word NO law to hold him exists and that started from day one, they did all kinds of abnormal torture to a non convict. It's like cookoo's nest only they don't need ECT because they have taser and vests and chemicals and no skills to use them withThat is criminal negligence done by several people Have you walked into a psychiatric facility and demanded people perform for every command you issue while in a vegetative state and who has had recent concussions and head injury?? The descriptor given by the evil health care providers was "Grave" to describe his condition, ever so closer to death. Death by Safekeeping and you pretend there is any reason to move forward. That place is corrupt through and through and needs to be taken over by the feds, that has happened before. With that much haldol and unsafe administered dosed tells you a daily pee test is needed right now which will show you the big picture. Big difference between a POW and a detainee, this is the most bizarre thing ever and you are staring and choosing to ignore or investigate based on factual evidence. Inhuman!
So Allen followed Libby and Abby down the bridge, cornered them and had them walk so he could do what? Abandon them when he ran into a group of 'Odenists'? Makes no sense
The people in the comments are good sheep. Follow the crowd and let Vinnie tell you what to think. He admits he was there, just happens to have on the exact clothes of BG (and he didn't know there was a video), confesses 61 times, has a bullet casing matching his gun. And that's only what was in the PC. There will be more come out in the trial. Have yall ever heard of a prisoner faking mental issues to avoid the death penalty or just an insanity defense? COME ON PEOPLE.
I could have sworn when Ron Logan was made public that he was the man. Especially when he said "down the hill". But I really don't know. I do feel like the defence has just done a fairly good job of bringing confusion into things but Allen will probably be convicted pretty easily. We'll see though.
Do parents in that area really let kids walk across that bridge? It seems so dangerous for so many reasons. What happened to those girls is so tragic. My thoughts and prayers are with the families, the police and our judicial process.
What a good way to lose viewers viewers Vinny! No wonder you set up a personal account! Is this something court TV is requiring of you? Your local experts...
Some people may be comfortable with statements made by a man who was going through severe mental health problems.. but those of us who care about human rights and human dignity are not comfortable with anyone being treated the way RA was. The man wasn't allowed to sleep or wash, he wasn't eating right and wasn't allowed out for physical exercise and he was given unknown medication and he was threatened. And people are ok with confessions under these conditions?? ...This is American not North Korea. His defense claims that prison guards even made threats to him about his wife and daughter, if he didn't confess and they were recording him with a video camera while speaking with his lawyers to make sure he confessed. The man was so out of his mind he was eating his own poop!! ... people may laugh at that but all it shows is how out of touch with reality he really was. He didn't even get the details right unlike Elvis F one of the suspects who was questioned early on...he knew which girl had sticks placed in her hair!!!
Exactly!!! The fact that he is in a prison and in solitary confinement before his trial is ridiculous. It’s sad the way he is being treated, regardless ,he is innocent until proven guilty.
Yes people are stupid and don’t care about other people until something like this happens to them or someone in their family . This is y defense attorneys telling not to speak to cops even if ur innocent or even just a witness one word taken out of context can turn u into public enemy number one
@@lovetohuntlovetohunt6241 well who else is going to say it?? 🙄 RA asked his lawyers..if his family was still alive!! .. he said that they had threatened his family, if he didn't confess to it.
That’s just proof he was being beaten/ra*ed & only god know what’s else. Clearly they he was coerced into confessing by the prison guards.He’s supposed to be in a county jail not a hardcore prison🙄 They say he confessed “things only the killer would have known” I’d love to hear that information. It’s probably some superficial bs like “I killed them with a knife” Eve though one of his confessions… He also said he shot them in the back😂
@@Sebastian-km9qx there is non evidence of that. The defence didn't even put that into evidence. What your doing is taking a a piece of evidence then coming up with a possible explanation ( with no evidence tied to it ) In a argument you need to counter a piece of objective evidence with another piece of objective evidence not a claim
Second half of this episode - The police investigated these people and they have alibis. They were shown that they could not have been involved. Richard Allen put HIMSELF on the bridge at the time crime within days of the crime taking place - BEFORE the bridge guy video/photos were released. Confessed 60+ times. Bullet matched to a gun in his home. There are reasons Richard Allen was arrested - and not Ronald Logan (they REALLY wanted to arrest RL), Odinists, etc.
Why in the world did it take seven years? A man who looked like one of the sketches walked into the police station and said he was in the area around the time of the crime, and seven years later... It does not make sense.
@carrow1057 yeah cause for 5.5 years the poster hung right in his work and NO ONE EVER said.... that looks like you. So NOW is the time he distances himself, sure 🙄
It’s almost like the police is forcing him to say those wild things, if he’s guilty or not they just want him to confess. IF this were to be true, it wouldn’t be the first or nothing new coming from the police, and that’s sad. BUT if it’s that kinda situation, then I agree he’s just saying anything and everything, it’s hard to possible to believe him or what he’s saying. I hope we get the right police handling this and not rushing any essentially corrupting the case just to arrest anyone by force and frame someone innocent. And may we get the truth whatever it may be, may the gods see this through 🙏
@@MarieVanWyk-u7n because its not a ‘fact ‘ its a theory with no evidence tired to it. In court You can only claim things you have evidence for. Otherwise the defence can start claiming my dog did it
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Libby's phone is so important! What a smart and brave girl to record when she knew something was wrong. Those poor children, my heart breaks for them.
✨Libby solved her and Abby's murders ⚖️
?? Someone was convicted?@@m.g.2645
Every trial in the US should be televised. It needs to be a federal law.
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That's not even possible. There are too many.
It's not entertainment; these are people's lives.
You end up with that episode of Sliders...
The US has it a lot better than many other countries as far as transparency about the facts of cases actually, but yes this is one case I would at least want the trial audio
I am SO READY for the facts to be presented in this case.
If only the judge would allow cameras or at least microphones in 🙄 sounds like she’s helping hide the actual truth . She’s been dirty this whole case .
In my opinion this is the biggest trial of at the least 5 past years. For there to be no video REALLY hurt me.. I just learned today no microphones either. I just can't imagine what "good" reason she has to deny both or those.. Especially for this case specifically. I would like to know what other cases she has worked on.
@@66.sixty.1 what are they hiding?
@@66.sixty.1Gull doesn't want her bias shown publicly.
@@66.sixty.1 it can only be because she knows there will be a public outcry if her shenanigans are videoed or recorded. She was one of the judges that was in favour of cameras in the courtrooms. So why not in HER courtroom.
To be honest, I’ll never feel confident that the killer or killer(s) were caught. Regardless of this guys 60 confessions and his odd behavior… I’ll always wonder. It took so many years to find the guy, a guy who was on radar and came into the police station in the beginning? Something is off here.
I agree with you. I'm really not sure if he is guilty
@@Dawn-g3q 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Wait until the trial then decide.
@@careipI agree with the original comment. It's looking awfully shady. I also have doubts he's guilty.
IMO it’s the Largest Cover-up from high-up, & involves several “authorities” from different counties, as well.
IMO Carrie from HC is involved with this & another boy from that county. It’s sickening!
They use kids from their sickness & make big “bonuses” from it 🤢
Somethings wrong with this case
@@stehaniemul9288 agreed
Always 200000 sides.
It didn't take this long for OJ to go to trial. Why, why, why?
@@foreveryours7464 It is actually the defence that been causing all the delays if you follow the hearings.
@@whysodamloudBy fighting for their client?
I hate how they don’t allow cameras in the court. That’s Indiana for ya
I think it's cause its related to kids
NO have you not seen the videos and read the documents on prior hearings?? That JUDGE is the one keeping the camera and microphones out ! she keeps trying to keep away the defense about the ODINISTS … she has fired that man’s lawyers over and over again that even said they’d work for his defense PRO BONO …. it’s the judge stopping the investigation and the findings found from the investigators about the ODNISTS which would help prove HE IS INNOCENT . look into the judge she is CROOKED.
I understand because social media and such has turned in to a clown show an if the cameras wer aloud can’t even imagine
They need to to preserve the integrity of justice system . These courts have been getting exposed doing things they’ve been doing for centuries
@@Junitunesthere are tons of trials that involved children and they were televised
No cameras or microphones? Yea, that's not suspicious 🙄
The state conveniently lost some of the evidence . Sounds fishy to me. And for the judge to keep him in a state prison instead of a county jail is disgraceful.😡
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And Gull has denied every request for a Frank's hearing they've filed.
People in positions of Authority, who use their power for their personal benefit. It’s sickening !
Not just in a maximum security prison, but in isolation inside of that prison…. which makes it a 💯 times worse! smh.
@@sngray11 ✨Bingo!🧚
THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO SEE THIS TRIAL. WHAT IS THIS JUDGE HIDING?!
IMO, it’s to Protect their Real Way of Living. Prosecutors & cops using kids for their own personal gains. HC cop Carrie was a big player in this, IMO
The judge has a lot to hide. Wait until she’s exposed.
Government abuse this guy was an official id is the Catfish I believe. Is this fake news?
@@Harrison.county.unbelievable.
@Jessica-pd5wx She's I've gone back and forth with regard to my opinion of her. Initially, I thought she seemed decent and reasonably fair, but as the months proceeded to pass, my opinion of her gradually grew less and less favorable. And here I stand today caught right along the line between loving her and utterly despising her lol. No middle ground, it seems.
It's unbelievable how long this ordeal has been dragged out... Let's get this done and over with...
If it were NC, he'd sit for more than 4 years b4 trial.
Amen HereBe...
The rogue defense caused it
When I hear something like “the guy confessed 60 times” I’m saying to myself “seems excessive” like someone is making him do that. 60 confessions is nuts. I’ve never heard of such a thing.
Me too: what 30 people does this man know or have $ to talk to? Prison calls are insanely expensive trust me I know
I agree. Who confesses 60+ times and says different things in regards to what he did? Something doesn’t sit right.
I think he's innocent. The evidence is very weak, and he seems more like isn't going good of his head, people need calm down, we all see so many innocent people being freed aft long time in jail, now, the guy deserves a fair trial. The one was before him in jail has a lot more evidence than this one.
No! We will hear these calls at trial!
No one will anything in trial they will not allow any cameras or mics in court!!😡 this trial needs to be moved!!
Comb your hair, Greenlee!!!!! Damn dude 😅
I believe he's innocent. People on the internet need to calm down, we all see so many innocent people getting free after a long time in jail. It doesn't have strong evidence against him. He deserves a fair trail and he isn't getting a fair beginning.
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He did it he was there he out himself there it at the time of the crime it could only have been him so much evidence against him his gun for one .
@@edilmav.m2498 What innocent person would lie to their mother and say they did it?
He admitted he did it and yesterday it was revealed he doesn't want to put the family's through a trial but Baldwin won't let him plead.
Baldwin left
@@gibbo822 How are you sure he is not forced to do that, as he clearly seems isn't in his better health moment?
You cannot tell me that there is absolutely NO DNA evidence anywhere. This case still doesn't make any sense to me. Is Richard Allen's DNA found anywhere on these little girls? Basically all we hear is that one of his bullets were found.
I feel so sorry for the families that have to relive this terrible crime against these two precious girls.
I think that evidence will come out at the trial .
@@Dawn-g3q so the arrest affidavit only gives some of what the prosecutor has on him( usually 10-20 percent of the overall evidence) .
It’s designed to provide just enough for an arrest but not enough for a conviction .
Most of the evidence is only revealed to the public during the trial.
So it could be his dna is found on them but we don’t know till
Trial.
REMOVE JUDGE GALL! Similar to Judge Bev in the Karen Read case - she should not be involved as the Judge herself is SUSPICIOUS!
Found the crack head
The consensus these days by most people in court is that judge Gull has been behaving very fairly and professionally. Perhaps there is hope.
@@laniakea2162 Where exactly is that consensus coming from? Have you read any of the comments?
@@laniakea2162Where are you getting that from? Have you seen the comments?
@@thia41012 Bob Motta has said it a few times, as have others who have been in court for the hearings.
I do read comments, and I realise people have their opinions but I’m referring to people who have experienced being in court with her the last few hearings.
So jury doesn't get to hear these "phone-call confessions?" And no cameras? That is extremely sus to me...
No cameras Gull!😡
Means they are hiding something
@@underyourscars7181 The US Supreme Court doesn’t allow cameras either. It can be a major distraction and turn a trial into a circus.
If Odinism is only a distraction, why is the State so freaked out about it? Is the jury pool so stupid that they can't navigate two theories?
RA and Odinworld are both distractions
Exactly
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States not sacred of it. There is zero evidence that Brad Holder was at trails that day. He was clocked in at work and then at 4:20 he was at a gym. No dna, geofencing, eye witnesses, or physical evidence ties Brad Holder to the trails that day. So unless the defense has something that does tie these people to Delphi, by law, 3rd party suspects don’t get to be added to trial.
Because it's the law you can't just make accusations like that in a court of law you have to have admissible evidence are you thick??
They will not allow cameras or a mics in the court room that is messed up !! We may never know WTF!!
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Why do you need to know? Has nothing to do with you.
@@WRDend taxpayers have the right to know how their tax money is being spent and the government employees actions.
@@shoesagogo1 There are microphones, and the proceedings are all recorded with audio and transcribed. No one is trying to hide anything.
I think this trial more than any needs transparency. To be televised.
I don't have anything against them, but I am so tired of seeing those two brought in as the talking heads for this case...
Better than grifter
Gray Hughes.
Terrible panel.
Get grizzly she's good.
@@anotherfishinthesea8660
Absolutely! That guy is rude and crazy
They know a lot about this case! Actually good people!
Stupid judge leave the damn bench already💯
She is amazing. Not her fault.
@@anotherfishinthesea8660 ambitious judges are dangerous
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Agree, she's ridiculous
Thank you for all the updates love this video
Abby didn't date anyone! She was on her tablet chatting there was no dating! She was 13 and her Mom was strict. Get it right Vinnie
Exactly! They met one time!
Abby’s mother said her daughter had her first kiss with Holder’s son. There was some relationship there.
@@southsidebill4074first kiss at 13? Yew. Shouldn’t they play with dolls at that age still?
Lol
Whatever
Anna was too busy bar hoping and man hoping
Abby absolutely was seeing Logan Holder. Even confirmed by Patrick Westfall. Know your facts before you start vomiting misinformation 😂
@@ITSANEWDAY-co1tn - Bounce, poser.
@COURT TV Did you know that Gull was the lead Judge in pushing for cameras in Indiana courtrooms? She pushed for it,got it and refuses to have it in her own courtroom. The purest form of hippocracy in my opinion.
I think it’s probably because it’s violent crimes against children.
@@MrsGypsumFantastic you may be right💔
@@MrsGypsumFantastichow is that any different than any other age? Transparency is a must.
@@hiawatha703It’s okay for people to reassess their opinions and change their minds-that's a positive attribute for a judge. It's also okay to avoid sweeping one-size-fits-all policies that don't consider the unique circumstances of individual cases.
@@southsidebill4074 yes,I know both these things. I still think its posturing.
Multiple people confessed multiple times to being "witches" too during the witch trials!!
There are many cases throughout the history where innocent people have " confessed" under awful conditions, and threats..
I wonder what’s the state’s theory about how he actually was able to do those murders unnoticed, by himself, in a very short period of time, in a very bizarre ritualistic manner, with no history, with being in public eye and taken under custody after 7 years all while local odonists and alike teased the internet with all sort of hints that they are responsible for the murders
Yessssss!!!
Meh, those are just inconsequential details. It's not like an innocent man's life and justice for two little girls hangs in the balance.
The Murder Sheet guys are just so unethical.
✨Bingo!🧚
Agree!!!
Will someone please let me know why ppl are saying this??! I didn’t like what they had to say this episode but this is 3rd comment I’ve seen about them and wanna know what’s happened lol
I don’t agree. Dig the murder sheet😮
@@MriahT-jt6ufSame lol
Where’s Bob Motto? Need his input. ❤Justice for Abby and Libby!
Bob Motta the bum rotta? The guys a fraud. He bled Garcia of all his money then fled doubt court TV will have him on now he's been exposed
I doubt you will ever see Bob Motta on the same platform as the Murder Sheet in this life time. No one can figure out why Vinnie keeps trotting these two out, who are going to die on the hill that Allen is guilty regardless of what the evidence shows because IT IS HOW THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY. Being controversial by releasing private personal messages from anyone associated or supportive of the defense. They are a walking lawsuit people, and I can't wait until they get sued.
Murder sheet? FFS
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Right. Why does Court TV continue to have these clowns? They are morons.
Did he gave out details that isn’t revealed ? I don’t believe he did it. I honestly believe the conditions he was in forced him to confess. He claim he shot them in back and that never happened
Lol you missed a lot
@@anotherfishinthesea8660well tell me then
The officer that monitors all the texts, phone calls, etc. testified that he did give details that only someone at the scene would know
Didn’t u watch the whole thing lol
I have an issue with the "only the killer would know" details, and here is why.
He has attorneys with the mountain of evidence... photos, videos, reports. They must have shared some of it with him, somehow. He may be privy to all this knowledge already just by the evidence his attorneys have shared.
Allen is not the one
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@@korey1112 the trial hasn't even started yet. You literally have not seen the evidence yet to make a determination either way. But ok lol 😆
Why? Why? Do you have Murder Sheet on. Neither Greenlee is an expert in criminal law. You can do better!! There is no reason to watch this, if you are going have amatures reporting on complex legal issues.
He is though stop with the bob motta crap guys a failed attorney
@@gibbo822 Kevin Greenlee has represented a party in court exactly 2 x, neither time on a criminal charge. The Greenlees are the failed professionals. They look as if a moment ago they were scavenging food from a dumpster. These are not astute legal analysts. At least Bob Motta practiced criminal law in a court of law. Is Susan Hendricks even a real author? What expertise does she bring? There are actually quite a lot of accomplished Indiana criminal defense attorneys who could be on these panels.
@@jamesdove8021 Bob Motta is a fraud and banned from practicing criminal law hence why he sits on his podcast and threatens people online indirectly.
He was told to recuse on the Garcia case stuck around until Garcia had no money left then recused himself. He was then suspended from practicing law go do your research
@@gibbo822 A simple Google search will tell you this is a total lie.
@@pamcakes1 nope Google says what he's wrote type him in here you'll see he's known for attacking female witnesses, banned from practicing until he faces the court over the Garcia money scam he pulled you can find all that just by typing his name in 🤣👍
Justice at any Price!!
Imo. Richard
Allen is the
"Sacrificial
Lamb" So much is Untoward in this case..
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@@m.g.2645 tks I think he is scared where they have him
Has lost so much weight & feels defeated 😮
The trial isn’t going to be streamed either? If that’s true that sucks.
Zero transparency, just like the rest of this case.
We are talking about 2 young girls being brutally murdered. Their death and trial for justice is not entertainment for us.
Hi everyone its 2.35am here in uk
Hi, it's 9:50 pm here in Ohio.
now 9:52 in Albany NY
It’s 2:55 in Scotland lol but hi 👋
Hello it's 10:15pm here in Virginia 😊
@@jenninscho1980My home state!
In a courtroom hushed with anticipation, over sixty confessions loom large. Why, then, does he stand trial? Why do his defense attorneys insist on his innocence? Nothing here adds up
He said to the health doctor his defense won't allow him to plead.
Once she said that Allen and Baldwin squabbled and Baldwin left court
The ones responsible & the ones who make $$ off children. They are Masterminds of confusion, Suppression & lots of other Evils ⬇️it’s sickening
Taxpayers pay their salary, all the while they make plans & traps & use & lie & make “bonuses” off it🤢
Well, nice start Vinnie but then you brought in the three most biased "experts" one can find in the county - that's what I would call manipulative. 🤷♀️
Where are Barbara McDonald and Bob Motta?
I do not believe its him
Either that or he had accomplices that they don't want revealed and him to take the fall for everything
I don't either
Same.
Then you’re gullible.
@@MagdalenaOciepka the trial hasn’t started for you to even know what evidence is. That's literally what a trial is for
Are they really going to try pulling a 1980's satanic panic claim?
@@emilyparkison9523 and sadly people are dumb enough to believe it
( as evidenced by some of these comments 😂)
Turned off as soon as the MS came on
Put the guy on trial, already!
If the defense doesn't file another continuance, it will happen in October, but I think the defense has 3 more continuances they can file
There’s something fishy about this case. I don’t believe he’s guilty. So far the evidence has been flimsy
I was so ready to settle in and watch all forty something minutes of this. Then you had to bring out the unwashed Murder Sheets 🙄 Nevermind.
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Right they are annoying they just want to cause drama!!!
@@babiee1what? Haha defense diary's are the ones doing thy and Sleuthie Goosie and her scams shush
Murder Sheet are not only biased, they are being fed a narrative and are spreading the word. Have just started watching, but with them as guests, I think I will be bailing out. Love you Vinnie. Don't like these guests.
Ok Mandy sure ... Yeah Mandy ok ... Oh are Mand I see ya ... Oh Mandy say it isn't so? Grow up yeah Mandy??
@@gibbo822 is the gibbo bit for gibberish?
I hate that couple ... why have them? They are condensing and NOT honest.
@@SimpleLifeAlways81 say bye to bob he committed a felony
@@gibbo822 spreading more lies...... shame on you!
I can't listen anymore. Horrible panel.
Bye!!
Wat because u are on RA side an now u no he has admitted it not the panel’s fault wat was actually said an not the rubbish that the defense is carrying on with
@@cN-xv7ju😂
Brad Holder, who is the person in question, was looked into very aggressively. He was clocked in at work all day, leaves work, and then at 4:20pm was checking into a local gym. So nothing ties Brad Holder, the odinist, to the crime scene or even the trails.
These lawyers and this show won’t tell you that though.
The defense is trying to say Brad Holder had a person or persons clock into work for him.
But since Brad Holder has an alibi and no eyewitness can put him at the trails or crime scene, and there is no dna, phone data, or physical evidence that puts him there the Odin theory shouldn’t and will not be allowed because it’s irrelevant.
If the defense can put any of the odonists at the trails from witnesses or if there is DnA or phone evidence to put them there the conspiracy theory can be included.
I respect these defense attorneys, but they are going to say and act according to their jobs.
Wrong on the 13th brad holder was brought to the police station to be a legal guardian for his son as Logan was assisting finding the girls.
McLeland explains that when the defense were saying "why take his son's phone and not his" McLeland said Brad was only there to say what police could and couldn't do.
Brad was never a suspect either they only had him in for assistance with odinism
I thought he went to gym at 2am on the 14th
@@Hannah-201 that's irrelevant the crime was wrapped up by 5.30pm even by defense witness evidence only they are contradicting that stupidly by claiming the girls left the site
The comments here are really interesting. I've thought from the start that Richard Allen was being railroaded, but I was far outnumbered by commenters demanding a hangin'. Now, almost everyone has flipped. It's kind of extraordinary.
His lawyers have shills filling up the internet. You all are going to be very surprised when it's a slam-dunk. I do agree it needs to be televised. Lack of transparency has hurt this case and allowed the defense to lie their asses off in public and have it repeated by the media despite getting contradicted in court under oath.
Thank you Vinnie
Thank you Court TV
Appreciate this post on Richard Allen hearing having blackout screaming
Great interview
When police and/or prison guards say, let's give this guy some 'special treatment' and see if he'll crack, what they are talking about is torture. I believe this man was tortured.
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But that wasnt said was it?
I can confirm that Allen confessed and wanted to plead out but Baldwin refused and stormed out of court yesterday haha clown
@@gibbo822uhhh bc he knows his client is being used as a puppet
@@MriahT-jt6uf aaaaahahahahaha thicko Allen confessed to a mental health nurse and told her he wanted to plead but Baldwin wouldn't let him... Baldwin stormed out of court after that hahaha you know nothing
@@gibbo822 u literally just retyped the same comment that I was replying to at first?! Ur either 13 years old or a crackhead. Type to someone else and anyone involved in the profession with shrinks is not reliable imo
Why dont they play the phone calls in court like they did with lori vallow and chad daybell something is not right in this case
Because this isn’t the trial yet
They will. Trial is in 2 weeks.
OK, you’ve got to stop the open with the same exact open every single time like come on I think you can think of another cold open
Elvis. Patrick. Johnny. Brad. Loser club that went too far.
This guy could have shaved and combed his hair before going on live tv....geesh!
Bro I literally live in Indiana and was up at 3 am and on cable tv saw a priest talking about odinism and them sacrificing people in the woods!!! Like wish I could get ahold of his attorney
You talk shite
3:47 in Italy
If hes so eager to confess 60 times then he should have no problem providing details only the killer and police would know. If he doesn't know the details of the murders he is so eagerly confessing to then hmmmmn... 🤔🤔🤦
Hey.... Hey idiot don't you think if it was forced they would give him details??? Muppets everywhere
Judge Gull must go
Honestly Vinnie wtf?!
You need to confer with Gray over this one 🤦♀️
You'll no longer give 2¢ for these other theories once he sets you straight.
I know he is not always popular re his attitude towards some, but he!! he is onto the Delphi case & won't tolerate any nonsense surrounding it. Yw Vinnie.
Gray was excellent with his take on this case he made it very clear who did this
@@TeeJayNZExactly. He debunked theories down to FACT....& he doesn't know who did it either cos none of us were there...but his critical thinking sure helps to arm one with a more obvious insight.
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I believe he did it. He co fessed to being there at that time and wearing the same thing as seen in the girls' video footage. However, I don't see him confessing that many times unless he just keeps repeating himself to his family. 🤷🏼♀️
The only thing that links Richard A to this crime is him being there at the time paramotors of when it happened.
No foot print size matching anywhere near the bodies to Richards shoes or boots.
No finger prints on the magic common bullet which take 3 to 5 prints to pickup and push in chamber holder.
Girls brought directly to Ron Logan's back property nop where else but his hmmm ?
Then which he ran 22 miles away at a fish store ?
Asking relatives for and Alibye which was clearly a lie ??? hmmmm Why would he do this at this time this day yet no other...?
Richard Alain hid his car Yes of course license suspended for a DUI common thing to do when hiding from getting caught again driving illegally.. a lot to loose if this happens... so that makes sense..
Ron logan known for violence to women and X past relationships... Ron Logan isn't innocent cops instinct in the beginning was right on.
Richard Alain known for being a great husband dad fun guy...hmmmmmmm
Wrong place at the wrong time...
Voice matched Ron Logan's to the T
Never heard Richard Alain say those words
does his voice match like Ron's
This murder took time ... Someone familiar with rituals!!!
Oddinizm all over this town hmmmmm
Richard Alain nothing on his computer nothing on his phone nothing leading or meeting the girls on bridge.
So we have a Sick boy almost man well a young man posing as a sex build young boy to lore to young pretty little girls to this meeting at the bridge...Then they are taken brought to Ron Logan's house and scarifiest to this old ritual ?
To much way to much...
Imposter posing as this group to lead a authorities astray or is it really them ...and got caught this time... pinning it on a drunk Richard Alain.. Bloody and muddy where the girl were killed was dry brush area no mud what so ever. To many directions in this case.
But. Richard A being there looking like this killer matching kinda (JC Penny cloths which is common in this town) But, my dilemma is Ron logan knows this land by the back of his hand sounds looks and would be there easily Girls brought to his land Ron logan runs 22 miles away after the killing supposedly
easily 1 hour drive why? fish ? store? does he have a bill?
why ask family for fake I was with you if law asks?
Why? Guilty in my opinion.
GIVE RICHARD ALAIN THE MILITARY TRUTH DRUG
he will tell the truth hook him up to a truth machine also ..once and for all!!
RICHARD call his wife all these confessions ??? he is being tourched him look at this man they broken him confess confess ...
They think it is but is it.
Ron ran and is connected with killers meth dealers friends kids who murdered a girl
Girls are brought to his property and home...hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Richard stayed and cooperated with authority's nothing on his computer nothing no nothing?
no DNA finger prints shoe prints or anyone coming forward hey saw my neighbor etc...
nothing? pin'd it on him looks like you were there wrong place at the wrong time.
These girls were killed by a sick twisted serial killer who has done this before it would match other killings.
Richard Alain has no priors at all now he at 44 years old is into ritual killings..
Someone said it was the church out there a secret church hmmmmmmm now I understand what they meant.
I'm so tired of the over top dramatics, and letting inept tools like Gray Hughes be a guest. This channel has become more like a gossipy soap opera than a true crime channel that relies on facts and evidence. It was better back a few years ago.
Judge Gull needs to be removed!
Why? Haven’t followed, what did he do?
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@@mariastefanie5835✨SHE
Supreme court disagreed *TWICE*
Earlier on in the case she made a bad decision which was overturned by the Supreme Court. A couple of her other decisions have been questionable (ordering the trial to be only 2 weeks, for example).
However, so far nothing she has done has been enough to get her recused, and the consensus by people attending these pre trials seems to be that she has been fair and professional, and there have been no uprising against her for her actions or attitude lately.
I am hoping all parties will come together in October and there will be a fair trial for RA.
I truly believe he is innocent. These prison guards are some how involved and o believe he or his family's lives have been threatened and he has made these confessions out of fear. I wonr believe he did this unless you can give me his dna on those girls. The wrong guy shouldnt go to prison for life if he did not do it
@@alexf3857 well you have not seen the evidence the state had on him - that will be shown in trial.
I might have missed it but…..was there any life changing event that occurred during this time, to Richard Allen, that might have influenced his want to do this? 44 yrs old might sound strange to start a criminal career but it might not be that far off base in some circumstances.
He had a lot going on plus serious mental issues.
@@anotherfishinthesea8660😂 ok
Ya'll are readin this wrong. We already know that the guards put him up to the confessions. He is being held in a PRISON not a jail. We already know there ARE odonite guards. The fact that he left out Libby's name isn't sinister, it goes to show that he was told what to say. If he did this his memory of that would be so very great he would never forget her name. This is another Read case. And the judge is another Auntie Bev.
@@LeahdaVinci agree iffy at best
I don’t buy it. This whole Odonist ridiculousness is a red herring. These lawyers make odonist sound like the mafia. 😆
There is no way they keep "forgetting" the answers to their questions. They are actively working to screw this guy over while pretending they are neutral.
The guards DID NOT threaten him to confess.
The Defense literally wrote in the footnotes of the Franks Memo that they themselves fabricated this.
They wrote "this is an example of what could have occured" - not an actual event.
The existence of Odinites and Odinite guards does not mean every non-Christian religion is a bunch of murderous gangsters. Christians need to drop the pagan discrimination. He was held in prison because being held in the small town jail world have been dangerous. That small town jail doesn't have enough staff to keep him safe. If they would have kept him in the jail they would have used that as a defense.
I liked this because of your fantastic guests, also you too Vin
Richard Allen has confessed over 60 times
@@RichardAllenIdidIT 61 times actually
I think he's innocent. Lot's more to it. And some have died that knew something.
61 confessions under duress to save his own life in the place where Gull's word NO law to hold him exists and that started from day one, they did all kinds of abnormal torture to a non convict. It's like cookoo's nest only they don't need ECT because they have taser and vests and chemicals and no skills to use them withThat is criminal negligence done by several people Have you walked into a psychiatric facility and demanded people perform for every command you issue while in a vegetative state and who has had recent concussions and head injury?? The descriptor given by the evil health care providers was "Grave" to describe his condition, ever so closer to death. Death by Safekeeping and you pretend there is any reason to move forward. That place is corrupt through and through and needs to be taken over by the feds, that has happened before. With that much haldol and unsafe administered dosed tells you a daily pee test is needed right now which will show you the big picture. Big difference between a POW and a detainee, this is the most bizarre thing ever and you are staring and choosing to ignore or investigate based on factual evidence. Inhuman!
Defense doesn’t want the victim’s phone in evidence!!? They know their client is guilty
So Allen followed Libby and Abby down the bridge, cornered them and had them walk so he could do what? Abandon them when he ran into a group of 'Odenists'? Makes no sense
He’s being framed
Been* no he hasn't
@@gibbo822 “being” is the current tense. Both are appropriate you 🤡
The people in the comments are good sheep. Follow the crowd and let Vinnie tell you what to think. He admits he was there, just happens to have on the exact clothes of BG (and he didn't know there was a video), confesses 61 times, has a bullet casing matching his gun. And that's only what was in the PC. There will be more come out in the trial. Have yall ever heard of a prisoner faking mental issues to avoid the death penalty or just an insanity defense? COME ON PEOPLE.
The clothing of the killer looks nothing like the pic. Different hat, and the jackets are not even the same color. That theory is ridiculous.
Ron Logan’s jacket looks identical to the jacket of the man in the picture the girls took. Anyone else notice that?
No, it was green and he was over 6'. Just stop
It looks like every middle aged man in Delphi
I could have sworn when Ron Logan was made public that he was the man. Especially when he said "down the hill". But I really don't know. I do feel like the defence has just done a fairly good job of bringing confusion into things but Allen will probably be convicted pretty easily. We'll see though.
Yes the entire outfit looks like Ron Logan’s!!! He even has the brown fanny pack hunter kit on him just like BG and it’s on the same side!
Any history on his phone or computer or work computer hinting to his issues?
Free the boy!!
Confessed while in a state of psychosis.
He’s not even an inmate at this point he’s a hostage
Do parents in that area really let kids walk across that bridge? It seems so dangerous for so many reasons. What happened to those girls is so tragic. My thoughts and prayers are with the families, the police and our judicial process.
The judge needs to be taken out for allowing this to drag on for so long.
It was going to trial in May but the defence delayed it.
OMG !! They keep lights on in every jail/ prison in America!!! They never make it pitch black mean c-mon it's jail/prison ! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I only know of one other person that they looked at and he is no longer here. This seems forced and pushed on this one guy.
I pray this is over soon!
What a good way to lose viewers viewers Vinny! No wonder you set up a personal account! Is this something court TV is requiring of you? Your local experts...
Some people may be comfortable with statements made by a man who was going through severe mental health problems..
but those of us who care about human rights and human dignity are not comfortable with anyone being treated the way RA was.
The man wasn't allowed to sleep or wash, he wasn't eating right and wasn't allowed out for physical exercise and he was given unknown medication and he was threatened.
And people are ok with confessions under these conditions?? ...This is American not North Korea.
His defense claims that prison guards even made threats to him about his wife and daughter, if he didn't confess
and they were recording him with a video camera while speaking with his lawyers to make sure he confessed.
The man was so out of his mind he was eating his own poop!!
... people may laugh at that but all it shows is how out of touch with reality he really was.
He didn't even get the details right unlike Elvis F one of the suspects who was questioned early on...he knew which girl had sticks placed in her hair!!!
Exactly!!! The fact that he is in a prison and in solitary confinement before his trial is ridiculous. It’s sad the way he is being treated, regardless ,he is innocent until proven guilty.
Yes people are stupid and don’t care about other people until something like this happens to them or someone in their family . This is y defense attorneys telling not to speak to cops even if ur innocent or even just a witness one word taken out of context can turn u into public enemy number one
The keywords were "The Defense Said" JS
@@lovetohuntlovetohunt6241 well who else is going to say it?? 🙄
RA asked his lawyers..if his family was still alive!! .. he said that they had threatened his family, if he didn't confess to it.
Richard Allen is guilty. No one confesses 60 times is they aren’t.
61 confessions, he gave details
* reasonable doubt is all defensive needs
The guy is guilty. 60 confessions is enough.
That’s just proof he was being beaten/ra*ed & only god know what’s else. Clearly they he was coerced into confessing by the prison guards.He’s supposed to be in a county jail not a hardcore prison🙄
They say he confessed “things only the killer would have known”
I’d love to hear that information. It’s probably some superficial bs like “I killed them with a knife”
Eve though one of his confessions… He also said he shot them in the back😂
@@Sebastian-km9qx there is non evidence of that. The defence didn't even put that into evidence. What your doing is taking a a piece of evidence then coming up with a possible explanation ( with no evidence tied to it )
In a argument you need to counter a piece of objective evidence with another piece of objective evidence not a claim
Yes!!! You're voicing my irritation about this case!! 😡😡😡😡😡
Second half of this episode - The police investigated these people and they have alibis. They were shown that they could not have been involved. Richard Allen put HIMSELF on the bridge at the time crime within days of the crime taking place - BEFORE the bridge guy video/photos were released. Confessed 60+ times. Bullet matched to a gun in his home. There are reasons Richard Allen was arrested - and not Ronald Logan (they REALLY wanted to arrest RL), Odinists, etc.
Why in the world did it take seven years? A man who looked like one of the sketches walked into the police station and said he was in the area around the time of the crime, and seven years later... It does not make sense.
Allen is doing everything he can to distance himself from the image of the guy on the bridge. Starving self harm.
@carrow1057 yeah cause for 5.5 years the poster hung right in his work and NO ONE EVER said.... that looks like you. So NOW is the time he distances himself, sure 🙄
From Indiana, the reason they want to exclude Ron Logan is he was cleared and passed away.
It’s almost like the police is forcing him to say those wild things, if he’s guilty or not they just want him to confess. IF this were to be true, it wouldn’t be the first or nothing new coming from the police, and that’s sad. BUT if it’s that kinda situation, then I agree he’s just saying anything and everything, it’s hard to possible to believe him or what he’s saying. I hope we get the right police handling this and not rushing any essentially corrupting the case just to arrest anyone by force and frame someone innocent. And may we get the truth whatever it may be, may the gods see this through 🙏
Freaking scary ppl that powerful
I see a BIG problem with the fact that court maybe not allow the cult related facts. This whole case is based on why this happened🙈
@@MarieVanWyk-u7n because its not a ‘fact ‘ its a theory with no evidence tired to it. In court You can only claim things you have evidence for. Otherwise the defence can start claiming my dog did it
He not only wore almost the same thing he walks with one hand in his pocket
It’s him 💯
Lol