I can't believe you would bring Gray Hughes on here to blow smoke up everybody's arses. He's a fraud and is lying and in touch with the judge and prosecution and patty family. Gray Hughes is a joke in the youtube community of real true crime pages.
@@CourtTV Vinnie this case is so full of s**t. And they definitely are framing Richard Allen to cover there asses and the people involved in it. It was a sheriff election he needed to look good but in reality he isn’t and neither is any of the other cops. I have lived here my whole life they are lying about the whole case and Richard Allen to me is innocent that drunk prosecutor is lying about everything too. And the fact the parents of these kids are acting like the Delphi cops are actually working they full of crap too Delphi is so crooked
Vinnie you see how they have always made him walk up n down the stairs they never do that. We always go up and down the elevator. They are doing all this mistreatment and what not for a reason. And he will definitely not get a fair trial at all
Thank you for staying the course on this case, Vinnie. I wish cameras were allowed in the court room. The poor family will be hounded for information daily and relentlessly.
I don't agree. The public has NO right to view a broadcasted trial. If a person wants to view a trial, attend the trial. The more opportunity for the jury to be exposed to information outside the court room, the higher the risk of court, legal contamination. We want many things we have no right to receive.
Because you are sick in the head. You get off on hearing gory details of little girls being murdered. The news along with countless channels here will let everyone know what happens up to the minute but that’s not enough to fill your appetite for every detail these children suffered. You are sick. Get help!
@@GirlsRuleTheWorld2023 that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. We all know the gory details by now. People want this televised because they pay taxes and want to see the evidence against Richard. I think you should get help.
I so, so appreciate Vinnie's call for transparency. It highlights his own honesty, his impeccable ethics. I very much value that. We need more of that in this country.
Long ago, a 9 year-old girl went missing in our hometown. Her body was found not far from our house. It changed our lives. To me and my 4 younger sisters, nothing felt safe after that. Decades passed before DNA solved the case. It turned out that her killer was actually someone who'd never been on police radar.
It gets worse every year. I grew up walking home alone in the dark--riding my bike everywhere. We were safe. Maybe it's a coincidence, but half the churches in my town are closed. The others are barely holding on. Ever since "science" started making believers look stupid, crime has gone up and kindness has gone down. I think "science" is wrong. They are just arrogant about being intelligent. They don't want to think believers are any better than them. Actually, people who believe in God and live by God's will probably are better than the so-called intelligencia.
The only reason why anyone would want the jurors to go to this location is because they are in hopes of further framing Richard Allen who is presumed innocent until proven guilty
The only reason why anyone would want the jurors to go to this location is because they are in hopes of further framing Richard Allen who is presumed innocent until proven guilty
Also, Gray really is terrible. He leaves out a lot of details that are important. He just tells a story to match his conclusions. No wonder he isn't confused, he has simplified the "facts" beyond recognition. Not a good guest.
Your Credibility will be damaged if you continue to Have Grey as A Guest. Have you seen his behavior ? I doubt it. He is Not the kinda person any reputable " True Crime" Creator would work with. Please Stop Hosting That Abusive - Mean Spirited Man-Baby.
He’s a jerk at times but other than that he’s completely correct, which is probably the reason ppl are mad. Especially when ppl pushed all sorts of wild narratives without caring who they accused or how little sense it makes. Say what you will about Grey, and yes he can be a jerk. So could most ppl who make videos on this case, anytime you introduce a little rational thought and how something doesn’t make sense or point out how terrible it is to accuse ppl i’d get dumped on, ppl were mean. At least Grey is rational and factual, was right about some things.
This judge has been terrible, and should have been removed a long time ago. Or obvious bias against the defense is so obvious. The fact that in this day and age she wants to cloak this important trial and secrecy simply tells his own tail.
I think the Indiana Attorney General and the Judge knew the case was fk'd up but wanted it solved and the detainee found guilty. The case was unsolved for so many years and the investigation so flawed that they just wanted someone arrested and found guilty. Shame on you, Indiana.
Yup. I used to do the same with vinnies videos but now I’m completely unsubscribing. The support for gray Hughes is nothing I want any part of & I CANNOT. STAND seeing him in that ugly ass orange visor that he’s never taken off ,probably lol. I used to love Vinnie. But anyone that likes to feature Grey Hughes on their channel & actually go on to promote him to their audience… when we KNOW how horrible and abusive Gray is to his own audience. Seriously wtf lol
If he is why did it take so long to arrest him. Why did they hid him away at a prison facility -vs- jail. Why are prison guards with known “Odinist” tattoos & patches guarding him when the Indiana State Police were investigating the crimes as “Odinism/ritualistic”. Then the biggest of them all, why won’t the Judge allow RA’s defense team to enter the evidence into the trial. Some solid questions that need answering.
They kept him away from danger for his own safety. His statement was filed wrong with the wrong name on the document. When they started from square one, it all came together.
Everything you said sounds so foreign to me. This whole ritualistic murder thing is just insane and yes, I know it does exist. My mind just can't wrap around it. It's just weird stuff, even more than the Daybell cult murders.
Richard Allen might be guilty or he might not. However, the chances of getting a fair trial are next to zero. The judge had demonstrated her bias, she made his defence counsel resign and is not allowing the case to be televised. All those things smack of a secrecy that indicates that there is something rotten cooking. The kids need justice but not at the expense of a potentially innocent person. This whole thing does not pass the sniff test.
@@selenacampbell576 nope. No in this case. The judge already made sure he's found guilty. She's denied a bunch of evidence to help the defense lil princess. lol
@@RokyoTokyko that's exactly what I just said lol....I agree!!! She's denied everything for the defense and is helping the prosecution...not helping the defense. English not your first language, lil prince? Lol
No chance of a fair trial. If he’s the right man then whatever the defense uses shouldn’t be a problem. There are too many holes in the story, and with the way the prosecutor and judge are, I don’t think they got the right guy. Too bad we won’t hear all the evidence and arguments.
@@toryjones4305Because it’s not televised. We will hear updates from court reporters but since they have to write everything by pen and paper they won’t get all the evidence. It’s possible the court transcripts will be released afterward.
@@HandbagDivaRight. And the judge won’t allow in the evidence about the Odinism suspects. Which is strong evidence considering how the girls were found. Tragic.
Why does everyone in LE ignore the owner of that land. Clearly he was part of it. The evidence was only reviewed to get Allen AFTER the owner died. Duh. Those kids will never get real justice.
And I don't know why but I keep thinking that the landowner might have been murdered just like several other people that could have testified. Two other people died under suspicious circumstances. That whole town is cloaked in darkness.
Whether RA did it or not he deserves a fair trial and defense. The judge in this case has denied just about every motion the defense submits. In my opinion there has been a lot of questionable things that have happened. Justice for Libby and Abby.❤⚖️
When she ambushed the defence attorneys to try to force them off the case so that she could appoint her choices to defend him and then was forced to allow them back on the case, that’s when she should’ve accused herself. Everything since then just leads to a nagging doubt about whether she has an issue with the defence attorneys or is in on something with the prosecutors because she has made so many questionable decisions - decisions that are just begging to be overturned on appeal. And it doesn’t really matter whether she is biased or not, the court is supposed to not just avoid impropriety, it is supposed to avoid the appearance of impropriety. And to top it off, she bans cameras from the courtroom in a case with so many questions and which is in need of the greatest transparency. If he doesn’t get a fair trial, it’s an injustice to all parties. If he is the murderer and is found guilty, having the case get overturned on appeal and having to go through another trial is an unnecessary cruelty to the families.
@@BrutallyLauren He's the only UA-camr I know that Court TV should avoid altogether. The others I've seen on here don't think they're experts, they just follow and study the cases, offering commentary. This clown actually thinks he's an investigator, but can barely string a coherent sentence together.
@@BrutallyLauren lmao...they know way more about this case than vinnie, ask vinnie....that's exactly why. And yes they are definitely professionals in this case and many others. Yall need to get over yourselves
I don’t know what the answer is, but the thought that he could be found not guilty and have endured the years of prison and basically torture doesn’t feel like a just system.
@@MegaTinni I don't believe that's Richard Allen in that video. All we have seen is a one second loop. The video is 43 seconds long supposedly. Why wouldn't they want to show the whole video to the public? That would help us better identify who it is.
I feel with the amount of scrutiny in this entire case that the judge is absolutely wrong about not allowing cameras in the courtroom not even allowing the court to stream it!!! The public should be allowed to watch because nobody will accept the outcome no matter which way it goes!! I also believe the judge is bias & should have been removed from hearing this case!! I think it all will be a reason for appellate action!! This case has gotten way too big for a small time judge in a very rural courthouse!! It should have been moved to the closest location that could handle such an enormous case!! RA also should have never been put in a prison & in solitary confinement for the length of time they had him there!! That seems to be unconstitutional & why??? Don’t give me the local jail couldn’t handle it either because that was just an excuse to have him sent to a prison!!!
My dad lives in Delphi, not too long ago, maybe around April 2024… I finally wanted to see the scene. My dad, stepmom, my three kids(ages 9 and twins age 7) went on the trail. The town has renovated it and is an easy walk. The actual crime scene down by the brush and trees may be difficult but accessible. Easily accessible if carefully walked through. I’m sure those adult jurors are physically sturdy enough to make the hike. IMO I find it unbelievable how many restrictions the judge is implementing.
@youdontneedtoknow5688 I'm not being rude my point was that lots of men look like the BG if it is R A who was a law abiding citizen all he needed to do was shave ,he lived in the community and no one suspected him for years ,he's not being treated right and his trial won't be any better .
Since when are alternative theories not allowed to be made by the defense? We all want the case solved but it would be nice to convict the right guy. If we don't have reasonable doubt he walks, that's the way it's supposed to be, right? We try not to guess when comes to these things. Who wants Grey Hughes' opinion?
I see no reason why FBI could not determine the bridge guy's height. They have precise planks and angle, plus the branches behind. They could have, at the very least, put a guy there that was Allen's height to see if it was a fit for Allen. I had no faith at all in the sheriff. He was telljng fairytales and bedtime horror stories.
I have said from the beginning of this case is that if that was my husband, I certainly would have recognized him with the hat, jacket, and the way he walks, and also his voice. I would have turned him in because if I didn’t, I would be sleeping with a murderer.
His wife is an alcoholic allegedly with quite the reputation. There are a ton of cases where the spouse refuses to accept the guilt of their partner. It’s nothing new.
Why is nobody speaking more about Ron Logan?? A woman came on local news after hearing the voice and seeing video saying omg thats def this Ron Logan who she dated before and was very violent & abusive both sexually & physically so why is this allen guy being looked at & not the owner of the property Ron?
@@Shes_so_crazy he is mentally sick and just sits in his garage all day while his wife works. He shouldn't be on social media at all. People need to stop sending him money for doing nothing. He talks like an old man losing his faculties.
Idk if RA is guilty or not, but he is currently innocent until proven otherwise. His treatment is appalling and should have never been allowed. What if he’s innocent? We allowed an innocent man to be treated worse than an animal. How is this ok?
It definately is not okay and only compromised people or corrupt individuals would turn their head. This is so far from a fair trial! Starting with "a million years" Francis C. Gull!
Anyone who has read all of the documentation, and watched all of the coverage and has common sense will coe to the conclusion that RA is innocent. Gray Hughes is biased toward the prosecution and ignores and sometimes lies in order to support the prosecution. The defense team didn't tell RA to "be psychotic." He has no evidence of that at all. Ask him to show you the evidence, he can;t because it didn't happen. The first confession happened after RA has been kept in solitary confinement in a high security prison before being convicted of any crime. His guards were practicing Odinist Joshua Robinson and Randy Jones. Guard Joshua Robinson is FB friends with Logan Holder, Abbey's boyfriend. Both of these men confessed to being Odinist and to wearing patchinges on their uniform. (Evidence) Also, another inmate wrote a letter to judge Gull describing the abuse he had witnessed the guards inflicting on RA. Again, evidence. RA was coerced into making the first confession to his wife and mother. Do you know what evidence Gray Hughes doesn't have...that RA said he was on the trail between 1:30 and 3:00. Officer Dan Dullin, who has a very bad record of lying to get arrest, (look up the case against Jesse Snider) Never wrote down or recorded what RA said. Or he did and he lost it. Either way, there is only the word of a known liar cop that puts RA on the bridge at that time. ANd also, look up Elvis Fields, who did confess to being on the bridge with the girls, to watching the girls get killed and to putting sticks in Abbey's hair. His confession was made before the girls were found and there were sticks in Abbeys hair just like EF said. He also tried to give away a blue coat to his sisters, who he confessed to. But the defense isn't allowed to bring any of this up because judge Gull said so.
I think they found countless amount of awful porn on his computer... Whether he did the murder the stuff on his computer should get him locked away fir life...
@@SomeTheorist9090Yes but it’s important those girls get proper justice. They can bring the corn charges as well but they need to find the real killer. It could be him, idk.
@@selenacampbell576 yes, they did find it on his computer. You might believe the cops planted it... just like they planted the weapon in your mind. But he had awful things on his computer.
The judge and the prosecutor need to be held accountable. I would not trust the verdict. We already know what's going to happen. He's going to be guilty. He's leading that way since the beginning and not because of the evidence but because of the jduge
stop being another internet parasite like you know something no one else does. hes guilty because hes guilty and he wasnt forced into it its too high profile for anyone being found to have coerced him. he had a spent round FROM HIS GUN ONLY at the exact location and he was there on the day in the exact clothes at bridge guy. hes guilty in my eyes and i dont need you or the jury to tell me otherwise otherwise it would have all come out and he wouldnt be held thats how easy it is to deduce.
@@kirstenwright1974someone who is 1/3 the size they were when they went to jail errr actually prison. Someone who is in prison, not jail. Someone who is guarded by the odinist the police looked into themselves. Obviously someone who has been pushed to mental illness. I'm sure you have no clue about mental illness 😂
He will not get a fair trial and has been treated unfairly from the get go… Guilty or not I cannot believe the things that this judge and justice system has been doing to him right from the start. I just have a feeling that they have the wrong guy.
i was in Delphi back in the 90s, many years before these murders took place, and it is a small, cute community but camping by the river give me a weird, eerie, uneasy feeling.
Vinnie Politan, I am impressed. An impartial investigation. I did not think it was possible from your segments. Whatever about him actually being the guy, he will NOT get a fair trial, that is for sure. I wish someone would investigate the judge. Abby, Libby and their respective families seem to be completely forgotten is this farce. I cannot imagine that the injustice in this will give them peace of mind. RIP Abby and Libby, I hope you will see actual justice one day. 💜💜
Yeah, right, convict the innocent guy (Murdough) and let guilty one ( this one) free. Yeah. Just because of vivid imagination of some people. This is usa for ya
Why would one of the victims start taking a video of a random man? Because she felt threatened and understood that something wasn't right. I know as a girl I've been in similar situations where I had the feeling that a man was following me, and these two girls were in a secluded area on a bridge, even more scary for them, they sensed the danger
For five years, 5 years, this individual doesn’t whisper a word about these murders to ANYONE. He then confesses 61 times in prison, awaiting trial, makes sense to me.
Why would anyone have to confess 61 times? ONE time would be enough. It seems like he was being tortured and confessing was the only thing he thought he could do to make it stop.
@@mattthompson9160 🤣 you are sooo angry fragile little man. Imagine lacking any solid talking points that you resort to name calling like a 7 year old. The person asked a simple question and you’re mad for what?
@@CryBunny_ no he hasn't he's stated many times he does it because it helps get his channel name out he's happy if he doesn't get on or doesn't mind if he does... Bob Motta has stated many a time "I called court tv and begged to get on"
A house and a parcel of land aren’t the same thing. Besides, the amounts of images, video, and renderings taken of that house will make sure it lives in the annals of time.
Im extremely suspicious of this entire tragedy 😔 Im not convinced RA did this Heinous Crime so he confessed 65 times did you see him around that time i believe he was being threatened probably in regards to his family ...id confess a million times if i believed my family wouldn't get hurt ...and this judge is a nightmare i think theres understanding that RA is to be the doer of these awful crimes
I can possibly understand the judge blocking the public access to the trial, but the judge denying every single opportunity for the defendant’s attorney to build a case to prove his innocence is very suspicious and concerning.
I wish Vinnie would have asked Barbara to respond about the unspent bullet after Gray stated it was definitely found immediately on the 14th? Barbara had previously reported on Court TV that the unspent bullet was not found on the 14th, but days later? - according to her sources close to the case She also had shared that the sticks and bark were not immediately collected with the original crime scene evidence, but instead investigators went back weeks later to try to find the original sticks , after this evidence was exposed to contamination and environmental factors. Unbelievable : 30:50 mark Yes, Barbara - His name was entered incorrectly But: It was logged in as Rick Allen Whiteman Whiteman was the Street name of his address Not Whiteside, as Barbara said, 😩 Keeping things accurate - BB actually said she "thought" the two girls that she saw were Libby and Abby. " thought" No one else has said they saw Libby and Abby that day at the trails The defense has said that RA actually told Dulin in his grocery store interview that he was there at a earlier time other than what the PCA reflects he said . The PCA actually states the car " resembled" RAs car, yet imo a purple PT Cruiser, smart car or a old model car( not black )that resembled a Comet does not match a black Ford Focus? These were witnesses descriptions of the car that they saw that day Unfortunately Dulin can't locate the grocery store interview recording that he says he knows he recorded, because he said he recorded all of his assigned leads. RA was an assigned lead. Just another " lost or misplaced piece of crucial evidence in this grossly mishandled investigation. Sad
Am I right that part of this story is that Richard Allen immediately communicated he HAD been on Monon Bridge on that day, on the very day it first was being broadcast reported on?.......the bullet was found to be deeper into the earth than at first reported too.......so Vinnie described it misleadingly in the first few minutes of this episode.
I'm new to this case. Why would this family member drop them off in such a location? Who was the family member? How were the girls murdered? Were they raped? And has this family member been cleared? I'm sure these questions have been answered already but I sure would like to know.
During a period of time when he was clearly showing indications of severe psychological deterioration due to an extended period of solitary confinement - he was exhibiting signs of psychosis, which included smearing his faeces all over everything _and eating it._ Not only that, he “confessed” to shooting the girls - which didn’t happen
Yeah, the prosecutor doesn't want you to see, one dude couldn't travel all that distance and be at the scene for as long as it apparently took, more hiding facts from the public, huh wonder why?
If convicted the appeal will be what fills gaping holes in the case that started in the beginning. The authority in that area have ensured that A&L get no justice.
Why do you think he's an idiot? Is it because he can't read or write, but pretends to be a detective? Or, is it because he couldn't find his @ss with both hands?
17:57 Absolutely not! He will not get a fair trial! He has been screwed over at EVERY turn! I don’t understand how that judge (and I use that term lightly), can continue to get by with her prejudicial treatment!
@@gibbo822no, buddy is correct. Everyone in Delphi is in on the odinist human sacrifice ritual done by white supremacists except RA and his defense team.
Thing is... RA saw 3 girls and 3 girls saw a "creepy man" only those 3 girls were actually 4 girls walking together, but one was like 8 or 9 years old so has never really been mentioned. There were apparently 3 other girls there around the same time or just before that were on the trail that day going to play basketball near Deer Creek - so is it possible that the 3 girls RA saw were in actual fact the "basketball girls" not the "creepy man" girls.
I think RA will have a decent chance at an appeal given the decisions the judge continues to make with minimal discussion of her reasoning, the disaster of a police investigation, the discrepencies in how he was incarcerated versus others waiting for trial, and the utter lack of transparency. A fair trial isn't just the actual days in court. A fair trial means fair due process from arrest to verdict or sentencing. I am skeptical he's receiving that. The lack of transparency and quashing of the defense's ability to bring forward facts and data for alternate theories in their pursuit of reasonable doubt is sketch.
@@imperialgirl4858 wrong he had a safe keeping order and the prison was the only place that could facilitate that. Also 25% of inmates held in prison are pre conviction. Its not uncommon at all stop acting like it is
I wish the entire bridge video was released. It’s clear that the voice and the clip of him walking are not synced. They are played as though it’s at the same time but the voice heard and the man walking, again are clearly not synced. I believed they did sense danger to prompt them to record but what about the possibility of anyone behind them. An important question to me is what made the young lady decide to record when it seems as the bridge guy in the clip seems to not be acknowledging the girls with his head down and with hands in pockets seems totally harmless in my opinion. I imagine that if the young lady had the forethought to record the bridge guy, that she continued to record until her phone was noticeable, taken, or the battery died.
@@SteveC-id6dq From what law enforcements said Libby started filming then put the phone in her pocket as the suspect approached them, the phone kept recording although it was only audio at this point and is disturbing audio so they will never play the whole thing for the public
5:01 yes Vinnie, the jury should be allowed to visit the scenes, why shouldn't they? It would give them a fuller understanding of the timeline and whether it all could've happened in the short time the state have given for the crimes to have taken place, the terrain, whether it is plausible that no one saw or heard anything as two young girls were brutally mur*****, it would give them pause for thought as to how there was little to no mud/dirt on the girls clothes etc.
RA is going to be proven guilty. I am not saying he’s guilty, but the folks are working very hard behind the scenes to make sure that the REAL PERPETRATORS don’t receive blame. This is way out of control. The trial needs to be moved and so does that judge. Every single time that I see that “down the hill” video, my gut feeling is RL and he did NOT act alone. Something very wrong is happening in Delphi, Indiana.
If Allen did it why didn't police arrest him sooner? They heard the entire recording. They should have recognized his voice the moment they walked into cvs.
I guess you had to get Gray on to replace the MS? Because so many people complained about MS, and now you have resorted to Gray. I guess any decent, well spoken, well reasoned "guilty before trial" commenters is a very small pool. In fact, I struggle to think of even one who is knowledgeable about this case.
That would make sense. Richard Allen was in his 40s. Could have easily walked that terrain, there are lots of pictures of him hiking a lot of other places. Ron, being much older would not most have likely walked that area with the girls.
A channel on here called Indy Archive has excellent drone footage and ground footage of the bridge and area where the girls perished. They have quite a few videos.
I just love this new youtube culture that classifies someone as an expert in a given field just because they sit and run their suck 24/7 about a given topic.
This case is so messed up. The judge displays an OBVIOUS bias against Richar Allen and his attorneys. She is doing everything to thwart the defense. How can this happen? His detention conditions and the Odinist thing is also very problematic. What institution/people in the US are responsible to report this kind of mismanagement of justice? I hope he gets at least a mistrial.
Hopefully the appellate court will reverse the conviction, when it happens. I don’t know if RA is guilty but I do know he’s not getting a fair trial so far.
The Geo fencing also shows that Ron Logan was in the area of the Monon High Bridge at 2:09 February 13 2017. You have all made a very good point about the terrain and who would know the terrain better than the land owner. When I walk home there may be shortcuts etc. but I am going home. Why would a stranger lead these children to Ron Logan’s house? I don’t think the person wanted to be seen., and walking on somebody else’s land is a good way to be seen, unless it’s your own land. Ron Logan knew Abbie’s mother and probably scolded her for something she was doing and said he was taking them back to his house to call her mother. I believe it was a TOTAL SHOCK when they realized he was going to kill them. He kept them at his house until the police and searchers left Returned with them to the location where their bodies were found at 7:56 PM probably looking for liberty’s phone. He knew that she had him on her phone. He may have thought about trying to call the phone and then realized he shouldn’t Then he returned again at 10:16 PM. That was also on the geofencing report. The FBI lady that filed the search warrant was not a rookie. She knew what she was doing because she had been doing this for 12 years. I’ll never believe it was ever Richard Allen. It was Ron Logan Was I the only one that noticed Ron Logan hid when he realized the camera was pointed at him?
@@gibbo822 WHAT world are you living in ? You believe anything somebody tells you but you don’t believe actual facts. Here you go here’s the proof. Ron Logan Sworn Affidavit, Probable Cause & Authorization of Search and Seizure TWENTY-TWO A call placed using Logan's cell phone produced cell tower data. This shows Logan's cell phone appears to be in or around his property on FEBRUARY 13 AT. 2:09, although his exact location cannot be confirmed. The tower data shows that Logan's cellphone was in the Delphi area in the area of the Monon High Bridge Trail. TWENTY-THREE An analysis of Logan's cell phone data revealed a text message sent from his phone at 7:56pm on February 13, 2017. The initial exam of this analysis indicates Logan's phone was likely outside of his residence and in the proximity of where LG and AWS bodies were located. TWENTY-FOUR An analysis of Logan's cell phone data revealed a text message received by his phone at 10:16pm on February 13, 2017. The initial exam of this analysis indicates Logan's phone was likely outside of his residence and in the proximity of where LG and AW bodies were located. TWENTY-FIVE Logan met with LEOs on or about February 17, 2017. While they were on his property, logon was physically able to get up and down the hill from his home to the crime scene.
@@gibbo822 are you working with CTV because I find a very odd that I produced documents to back up these facts and they get erased but they keep you on here saying that I’m a liar and I don’t like that
Gray Hughes apparently has it all figured out. The prosecution should just bring him in as an expert witness, and Richard Allen would be as good as convicted. I don't know why we're even talking about it anymore. That's it. I guess it's a done deal. No need for additional evidence or information. 🤷
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I'm disappointed that we won't see the trial and hear the evidence! The conspiracy theories will never end.
I can't believe you would bring Gray Hughes on here to blow smoke up everybody's arses. He's a fraud and is lying and in touch with the judge and prosecution and patty family. Gray Hughes is a joke in the youtube community of real true crime pages.
@@CourtTV Vinnie this case is so full of s**t. And they definitely are framing Richard Allen to cover there asses and the people involved in it. It was a sheriff election he needed to look good but in reality he isn’t and neither is any of the other cops. I have lived here my whole life they are lying about the whole case and Richard Allen to me is innocent that drunk prosecutor is lying about everything too. And the fact the parents of these kids are acting like the Delphi cops are actually working they full of crap too Delphi is so crooked
Vinnie you see how they have always made him walk up n down the stairs they never do that. We always go up and down the elevator. They are doing all this mistreatment and what not for a reason. And he will definitely not get a fair trial at all
Thank you for staying the course on this case, Vinnie. I wish cameras were allowed in the court room. The poor family will be hounded for information daily and relentlessly.
I agree Libby and Abbey deserve justice as long as the right person is held accountable. I dont agree with the trial being blocked for the public.
Yes, the real person is found guilty !!
Ra is the killer.
The trial is wide open to the public….
@@brandoncollins1050they think it should be on TV by law
I don't agree. The public has NO right to view a broadcasted trial. If a person wants to view a trial, attend the trial.
The more opportunity for the jury to be exposed to information outside the court room, the higher the risk of court, legal contamination.
We want many things we have no right to receive.
I’m so pissed off that the judge won’t allow the trial to be televised !!!!!!
Because you are sick in the head. You get off on hearing gory details of little girls being murdered. The news along with countless channels here will let everyone know what happens up to the minute but that’s not enough to fill your appetite for every detail these children suffered. You are sick. Get help!
@@GirlsRuleTheWorld2023Or maybe she just wants to hear the evidence and see if she feels he’s guilty!
@@GirlsRuleTheWorld2023 that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. We all know the gory details by now. People want this televised because they pay taxes and want to see the evidence against Richard. I think you should get help.
@@GirlsRuleTheWorld2023 what is wrong with you?!
Tons of trials are not televised. Lori Vallows trial wasn't televised.
I so, so appreciate Vinnie's call for transparency. It highlights his own honesty, his impeccable ethics. I very much value that. We need more of that in this country.
News Alert 🚨 Vinnie only cares about getting views on UA-cam.
Abby and Libby, rest in peace, girls. 🙏 ❤ 🙏
Very sad story 😢❤!
Long ago, a 9 year-old girl went missing in our hometown. Her body was found not far from our house. It changed our lives. To me and my 4 younger sisters, nothing felt safe after that.
Decades passed before DNA solved the case. It turned out that her killer was actually someone who'd never been on police radar.
Trauma has a ripple effect in a community.
EXACTLY IT HAPPENS. RA IS THE MAN WHO MURDERED ABBY AND LIBBY.
Which case was It?
@@JE4-1 this is a very sad story, but unfortunately, Richard Allen’s DNA was not found at the scene of the crime nor on the girls
It gets worse every year. I grew up walking home alone in the dark--riding my bike everywhere. We were safe. Maybe it's a coincidence, but half the churches in my town are closed. The others are barely holding on. Ever since "science" started making believers look stupid, crime has gone up and kindness has gone down. I think "science" is wrong. They are just arrogant about being intelligent. They don't want to think believers are any better than them. Actually, people who believe in God and live by God's will probably are better than the so-called intelligencia.
This case is a hot mess
He’s done!
That judge is a hot mess
The only reason why anyone would want the jurors to go to this location is because they are in hopes of further framing Richard Allen who is presumed innocent until proven guilty
The only reason why anyone would want the jurors to go to this location is because they are in hopes of further framing Richard Allen who is presumed innocent until proven guilty
Mess is the word..bunch of jackass framers
Also, Gray really is terrible. He leaves out a lot of details that are important. He just tells a story to match his conclusions. No wonder he isn't confused, he has simplified the "facts" beyond recognition. Not a good guest.
Exactly.
He's freaking terrible. Can't believe he's a trusted authority on this case or any. I cannot stand him.
Kind of like the Judge! smh 🕵♂
He is a joke
I agree with all of you and it's nice to hear. I thought it was just me who felt that way about him. 👍
Please don't platform that awful Gray Hughes!
They do it out of pity. If they don't, he has crybaby fits and lashes out. It's really pathetic to watch.
@@CryBunny_who is he? The queen? Who gives af what he thinks.
Couldn't agree more.
I hear this a lot, but I've not been able to find out what's against him.... can you expand on it please?
I agree, can't stand him if u don't agree with him he cries n pouts like a lil kid
Your Credibility will be damaged if you continue to Have Grey as A Guest. Have you seen his behavior ? I doubt it. He is Not the kinda person any reputable " True Crime" Creator would work with. Please Stop Hosting That Abusive - Mean Spirited Man-Baby.
He just asks for money it's so annoying
He’s a jerk at times but other than that he’s completely correct, which is probably the reason ppl are mad. Especially when ppl pushed all sorts of wild narratives without caring who they accused or how little sense it makes. Say what you will about Grey, and yes he can be a jerk. So could most ppl who make videos on this case, anytime you introduce a little rational thought and how something doesn’t make sense or point out how terrible it is to accuse ppl i’d get dumped on, ppl were mean. At least Grey is rational and factual, was right about some things.
I love Vinnie Politan he has the type of personality that draws people in. He is so down to earth and so relatable.
Yes, and, very importantly, he always articulates the need for transparency and fairness!
Gray Hughes is a joke. Why do people use him on their shows, especially if they have a professional reputation.
@@Ministry_of_Darkness This comment 🙌🏻
I like Gray Huges- he is spot on.
@@kristicrosby2603maybe with the Soto case not on this though….
Right? Have they even watched a live stream of his "putting himself in jail" until people donate to him. Guy is pathetic
@@Hell0Apollo33 Right, people have to give him money to "bail him out". He's ridiculous
@VinniePolitan Take note of how many of your viewers really dislike Grey Hughes.
He is a very good analyst . Even so, he donates the money . I don´t know why anyone could not like him...
@@susannesonnenschein2878 I find him to be mean. So, that’s me and I don’t watch him. I don’t need extra unwarranted strife.
@@StarlightSynchronicity yep, he thinks he’s the only brain in the room and talks to people like they are idiots. Unnecessarily rude to people.
@@Shes_so_crazy Agree. No thanks‼️ ✌️
I AIN'T WATCHING ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES G.H! CHUCKS A TANTRUM IF HE'S NOT GETTING ENOUGH DONATIONS!
He's the DSP of true crime. Pathetic.
He's ridiculous, I don't know how he still has an audience.
He's a tool.
What is the story about Vinnie’s love for GH? Doesn’t he realize how hard it makes it to watch his show?
@@We_Are_All_VulturesVinnie may lose his audience if he doesn’t lose Grey.
This judge has been terrible, and should have been removed a long time ago. Or obvious bias against the defense is so obvious. The fact that in this day and age she wants to cloak this important trial and secrecy simply tells his own tail.
It’s absurd!
Karen Read anybody ?
@@tonystevenson26 Kyle Rittenhouse
I think the Judge is a She...
No. She’s made sound decisions against a feckless defense team.
No transparency in the courtroom in this fk’d up case makes me fkng ANGRY
I think the Indiana Attorney General and the Judge knew the case was fk'd up but wanted it solved and the detainee found guilty. The case was unsolved for so many years and the investigation so flawed that they just wanted someone arrested and found guilty. Shame on you, Indiana.
I watched until GH made his appearance then I tuned out. Guy is an abusive grifting jerk.
He also has a face that's perfect for radio.
Yup. I used to do the same with vinnies videos but now I’m completely unsubscribing.
The support for gray Hughes is nothing I want any part of & I CANNOT. STAND seeing him in that ugly ass orange visor that he’s never taken off ,probably lol.
I used to love Vinnie. But anyone that likes to feature Grey Hughes on their channel & actually go on to promote him to their audience… when we KNOW how horrible and abusive Gray is to his own audience.
Seriously wtf lol
@@B.O.Z.O 😂
@@Danish_girl 🤣
@@B.O.Z.O Also very punchable.
Grey is a clown
Absolute grifter and narcissist
100%
Did u know he doesn't believe in coincidences? Did u also know John Wayne Gacy was a clown.
Vinnie, Please, no more Greg Hughes. He does nothing but trash you and Court TV on his channel.
Agree 👏
Exactly!! Why is he here! He doesn't even like Vinnie! He's trash
Gray Pubes is great. You’re the problem 😂
Yes…complain from your little corner. Very original
@@Still-Sitting aren't you doing the same thing?? 🤣🤣🤣 get a life kid
Hughes doesn't have his facts straight. Barbara has an agenda her book. Great guess speakers.😂
Oh, Grey is awful. I don’t mind Barbara so much. I find her articulate and usually what she says is informative.
What is Vinnie’s love for GH about? He is hard to take. Really? Why?
@@StarlightSynchronicity I think Gray looks at things in a logical manner, and that's why Vinnie likes having him on the show.
@@wildmountainthyme4123 sure he looks at things in a logical manner - as long as it fits his narrative
16:14
Nothing has been fair in this travesty of a case! Not for Abby, not for Libby and not for Allen!
Whether RA is quilty or not, He has not been treated fairly and in my opinion, they have stripped away his defense.
No they didn't he didn't meet the nexus
@@gibbo822 the Nexus was such that not even RA himself meets it
Guilty
Absolutely!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 if you wanna murder two little girls , you should not live in Indiana.
If he is why did it take so long to arrest him. Why did they hid him away at a prison facility -vs- jail. Why are prison guards with known “Odinist” tattoos & patches guarding him when the Indiana State Police were investigating the crimes as “Odinism/ritualistic”. Then the biggest of them all, why won’t the Judge allow RA’s defense team to enter the evidence into the trial. Some solid questions that need answering.
They kept him away from danger for his own safety. His statement was filed wrong with the wrong name on the document. When they started from square one, it all came together.
The scene has changed, and the bridge is blocked off now.
A simple clerical error resulted in RA being taken off the radar. A second set of eyes looked at notes years later and pointed at RA.
Everything you said sounds so foreign to me. This whole ritualistic murder thing is just insane and yes, I know it does exist. My mind just can't wrap around it. It's just weird stuff, even more than the Daybell cult murders.
For his own safety. Those inmates despise child killers!
Thank you, Vinnie. The jury needs to be able to go the bridge!
For what!? It has absolutely nothing to do with determining innocent or guilt. You sound silly.
@@naelyneurkopfen9741 so be it! Silly I am! lol
@@naelyneurkopfen9741oh really? I guess that means Vinnie sounded silly too? Why do you watch his show?
I live in Delphi. Go to the bridge, ok. Walk that terrain? No. If there are older folks in the jury couldn’t do it. Huge liability.
@@berniespeirs6918Thank you for your realistic common sense comment. People seem to lose that and over react a lot in this case.
Richard Allen might be guilty or he might not. However, the chances of getting a fair trial are next to zero. The judge had demonstrated her bias, she made his defence counsel resign and is not allowing the case to be televised. All those things smack of a secrecy that indicates that there is something rotten cooking. The kids need justice but not at the expense of a potentially innocent person. This whole thing does not pass the sniff test.
Absolutely
ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!
I think he's getting railroaded! Guilty or not, this trial is being handled biasly for sure.
@@thomasinamike5966 I don’t think that there is anything fair or just about this whole saga.
When they refuse to televise it always seem shady AF to me.
Innocent until proven guilty
Well they've set it up to where he is definitely gonna be found guilty
@@selenacampbell576 nope. No in this case. The judge already made sure he's found guilty. She's denied a bunch of evidence to help the defense lil princess. lol
@@RokyoTokyko that's exactly what I just said lol....I agree!!! She's denied everything for the defense and is helping the prosecution...not helping the defense. English not your first language, lil prince? Lol
@Vinnie, why do you keep putting on Gre Hughes when he baby cried and gripped about you. He’s a clown and a grifter
Vinnie and Grey are awesome
@@kristicrosby2603 incorrect
I was never really a fan of GH to begin with because he whines so damn much but when I heard him trashing OG Vinnie I refuse to give him any views
@@LoveRock22 I did not know he trashed Vinnie. Vinnie is awesome 😎
@@LoveRock22 Wait really? What did he say?
No chance of a fair trial. If he’s the right man then whatever the defense uses shouldn’t be a problem. There are too many holes in the story, and with the way the prosecutor and judge are, I don’t think they got the right guy. Too bad we won’t hear all the evidence and arguments.
Just as the jury won’t be told of Odinism, they won’t be told Bigfoot did it. It’s ludicrous and baseless, so it doesn’t belong in the trial.
How will you not hear all the evidence and arguments?
@@toryjones4305Because it’s not televised. We will hear updates from court reporters but since they have to write everything by pen and paper they won’t get all the evidence. It’s possible the court transcripts will be released afterward.
@@HandbagDivaRight. And the judge won’t allow in the evidence about the Odinism suspects. Which is strong evidence considering how the girls were found. Tragic.
Why does everyone in LE ignore the owner of that land. Clearly he was part of it. The evidence was only reviewed to get Allen AFTER the owner died. Duh. Those kids will never get real justice.
And I don't know why but I keep thinking that the landowner might have been murdered just like several other people that could have testified. Two other people died under suspicious circumstances. That whole town is cloaked in darkness.
Whether RA did it or not he deserves a fair trial and defense. The judge in this case has denied just about every motion the defense submits. In my opinion there has been a lot of questionable things that have happened. Justice for Libby and Abby.❤⚖️
Because there was no grounds to grant the motions stop it
So you think if defense submits aliens from mars committed the murders and they have alien experts to testify and the judge should allow it?
Exactly @@gibbo822
Spot on! Change of venue!
When she ambushed the defence attorneys to try to force them off the case so that she could appoint her choices to defend him and then was forced to allow them back on the case, that’s when she should’ve accused herself. Everything since then just leads to a nagging doubt about whether she has an issue with the defence attorneys or is in on something with the prosecutors because she has made so many questionable decisions - decisions that are just begging to be overturned on appeal.
And it doesn’t really matter whether she is biased or not, the court is supposed to not just avoid impropriety, it is supposed to avoid the appearance of impropriety. And to top it off, she bans cameras from the courtroom in a case with so many questions and which is in need of the greatest transparency.
If he doesn’t get a fair trial, it’s an injustice to all parties. If he is the murderer and is found guilty, having the case get overturned on appeal and having to go through another trial is an unnecessary cruelty to the families.
Come on Court TV. Stop having gary on. He is just a grifter and he talks bad about you. You are better than that
I wish they would stop having him on. It's embarrassing.
Agreed!! Having youtubers who have no experience other than they created a channel doesn't make them an expert
Yet Bob motta is part of the 'due process gang' threatening to dox jurors
@@BrutallyLauren He's the only UA-camr I know that Court TV should avoid altogether. The others I've seen on here don't think they're experts, they just follow and study the cases, offering commentary. This clown actually thinks he's an investigator, but can barely string a coherent sentence together.
@@BrutallyLauren lmao...they know way more about this case than vinnie, ask vinnie....that's exactly why. And yes they are definitely professionals in this case and many others. Yall need to get over yourselves
I don’t know what the answer is, but the thought that he could be found not guilty and have endured the years of prison and basically torture doesn’t feel like a just system.
There is no justice system. It's a "just-us" system. And we aren't the US.
Look at that video. If it walks like a duck , talks like a duck.…
That poor girl was so brave to film Richard Allen. Just open your eyes.
@@MegaTinni I don't believe that's Richard Allen in that video. All we have seen is a one second loop. The video is 43 seconds long supposedly. Why wouldn't they want to show the whole video to the public? That would help us better identify who it is.
@@MegaTinniDucks don’t talk and that 0.5 sec of video proves nothing, Barbara’s description of the video depicts it being pretty much useless.
I feel with the amount of scrutiny in this entire case that the judge is absolutely wrong about not allowing cameras in the courtroom not even allowing the court to stream it!!! The public should be allowed to watch because nobody will accept the outcome no matter which way it goes!! I also believe the judge is bias & should have been removed from hearing this case!! I think it all will be a reason for appellate action!! This case has gotten way too big for a small time judge in a very rural courthouse!! It should have been moved to the closest location that could handle such an enormous case!! RA also should have never been put in a prison & in solitary confinement for the length of time they had him there!! That seems to be unconstitutional & why??? Don’t give me the local jail couldn’t handle it either because that was just an excuse to have him sent to a prison!!!
Cameras are not a right turn uo to the court you lazy lazy bum
My dad lives in Delphi, not too long ago, maybe around April 2024… I finally wanted to see the scene. My dad, stepmom, my three kids(ages 9 and twins age 7) went on the trail. The town has renovated it and is an easy walk. The actual crime scene down by the brush and trees may be difficult but accessible. Easily accessible if carefully walked through. I’m sure those adult jurors are physically sturdy enough to make the hike. IMO I find it unbelievable how many restrictions the judge is implementing.
They are trying to make excuses to stop the jury going there probably
The BG looks like Gray Hughes .
I know GH is a 🤡 but are you serious?
@youdontneedtoknow5688 I'm not being rude my point was that lots of men look like the BG if it is R A who was a law abiding citizen all he needed to do was shave ,he lived in the community and no one suspected him for years ,he's not being treated right and his trial won't be any better .
Logan or Carter either one
😂 Maybe that’s why he’s pushing that it looks like RA.
Hughes is delusional!
Only one's who are delusional are those who think this is a odinist human sacrifice ritual.
@@nemonucliosiswith sticks 😂
@@gibbo822and branches bro
I thought at least one body was positioned in a.... disgusting manner, that *might* lead one to believe such a far out thing...? Maybe...
Since when are alternative theories not allowed to be made by the defense? We all want the case solved but it would be nice to convict the right guy. If we don't have reasonable doubt he walks, that's the way it's supposed to be, right? We try not to guess when comes to these things. Who wants Grey Hughes' opinion?
I think the jury should be allowed and it should be granted
Stop bringing Gray Hughes on challenge
Someone must have lost a bet.
Wasn't you in R&M Productions live last night where she made uo a load of crap because she's been exposed as a liar??
I can't stand Grey Hughs. It's a visceral reaction.
It's there that I turn the channel. Same ole same ole.
@@gibbo822😂
I see no reason why FBI could not determine the bridge guy's height. They have precise planks and angle, plus the branches behind. They could have, at the very least, put a guy there that was Allen's height to see if it was a fit for Allen. I had no faith at all in the sheriff. He was telljng fairytales and bedtime horror stories.
I have said from the beginning of this case is that if that was my husband, I certainly would have recognized him with the hat, jacket, and the way he walks, and also his voice. I would have turned him in because if I didn’t, I would be sleeping with a murderer.
Nutcase
U would. Does not mean EVERYONE WOULD AS WELL
And because we had a young daughter at home living with us, as RA and his wife did. Yeah I believe most people would.
His wife is an alcoholic allegedly with quite the reputation. There are a ton of cases where the spouse refuses to accept the guilt of their partner. It’s nothing new.
Why is nobody speaking more about Ron
Logan?? A woman came on local news after hearing the voice and seeing video saying omg thats def this Ron Logan who she dated before and was very violent & abusive both sexually & physically so why is this allen guy being looked at & not the owner of the property Ron?
Gray Hughes is honestly awful. the way he talks to his viewers is abhorrent. please stop referencing him lol
I think they must feel sorry for him because of his mental impairments.
He is super unnecessarily mean to people. All the time.
For real they should stop mentioning him because y’all sensitive women’s emotions are more important than the facts..
He said to me a few months ago "my daddy could beat your daddy". The guy is a class A prick.
@@Shes_so_crazy he is mentally sick and just sits in his garage all day while his wife works. He shouldn't be on social media at all. People need to stop sending him money for doing nothing. He talks like an old man losing his faculties.
Idk if RA is guilty or not, but he is currently innocent until proven otherwise. His treatment is appalling and should have never been allowed. What if he’s innocent? We allowed an innocent man to be treated worse than an animal. How is this ok?
It definately is not okay and only compromised people or corrupt individuals would turn their head. This is so far from a fair trial! Starting with "a million years" Francis C. Gull!
Anyone who has read all of the documentation, and watched all of the coverage and has common sense will coe to the conclusion that RA is innocent. Gray Hughes is biased toward the prosecution and ignores and sometimes lies in order to support the prosecution. The defense team didn't tell RA to "be psychotic." He has no evidence of that at all. Ask him to show you the evidence, he can;t because it didn't happen. The first confession happened after RA has been kept in solitary confinement in a high security prison before being convicted of any crime. His guards were practicing Odinist Joshua Robinson and Randy Jones. Guard Joshua Robinson is FB friends with Logan Holder, Abbey's boyfriend. Both of these men confessed to being Odinist and to wearing patchinges on their uniform. (Evidence) Also, another inmate wrote a letter to judge Gull describing the abuse he had witnessed the guards inflicting on RA. Again, evidence. RA was coerced into making the first confession to his wife and mother. Do you know what evidence Gray Hughes doesn't have...that RA said he was on the trail between 1:30 and 3:00. Officer Dan Dullin, who has a very bad record of lying to get arrest, (look up the case against Jesse Snider) Never wrote down or recorded what RA said. Or he did and he lost it. Either way, there is only the word of a known liar cop that puts RA on the bridge at that time. ANd also, look up Elvis Fields, who did confess to being on the bridge with the girls, to watching the girls get killed and to putting sticks in Abbey's hair. His confession was made before the girls were found and there were sticks in Abbeys hair just like EF said. He also tried to give away a blue coat to his sisters, who he confessed to. But the defense isn't allowed to bring any of this up because judge Gull said so.
Thank you for laying this out. Great post.
14:08
Absolutely, Vinnie! The judge does EVERYTHING possible to thwart that defense. My question is: what’s she got in this that warrants her actions?
I think they found countless amount of awful porn on his computer...
Whether he did the murder the stuff on his computer should get him locked away fir life...
@@SomeTheorist9090Yes but it’s important those girls get proper justice. They can bring the corn charges as well but they need to find the real killer. It could be him, idk.
@@SomeTheorist9090what kind of awfull porn ?
@@SomeTheorist9090no, they did not find porn on his computer...why comment if you have no clue?
@@selenacampbell576 yes, they did find it on his computer. You might believe the cops planted it... just like they planted the weapon in your mind.
But he had awful things on his computer.
The judge and the prosecutor need to be held accountable. I would not trust the verdict. We already know what's going to happen. He's going to be guilty. He's leading that way since the beginning and not because of the evidence but because of the jduge
Because he's guilty. Who admits it 61 times.
stop being another internet parasite like you know something no one else does.
hes guilty because hes guilty and he wasnt forced into it its too high profile for anyone being found to have coerced him.
he had a spent round FROM HIS GUN ONLY at the exact location and he was there on the day in the exact clothes at bridge guy.
hes guilty in my eyes and i dont need you or the jury to tell me otherwise otherwise it would have all come out and he wouldnt be held thats how easy it is to deduce.
Because HE IS GUILTY. they have him ON VIDEO!!!!!!
@@kirstenwright1974someone who is 1/3 the size they were when they went to jail errr actually prison. Someone who is in prison, not jail. Someone who is guarded by the odinist the police looked into themselves. Obviously someone who has been pushed to mental illness. I'm sure you have no clue about mental illness 😂
@@selenacampbell576 That silly "Odinist" stuff is nonsense invented by bored conspiracy believers. It's just too silly and theatrical.
He will not get a fair trial and has been treated unfairly from the get go…
Guilty or not I cannot believe the things that this judge and justice system has been doing to him right from the start.
I just have a feeling that they have the wrong guy.
i was in Delphi back in the 90s, many years before these murders took place, and it is a small, cute community but camping by the river give me a weird, eerie, uneasy feeling.
That could be said about camping along many rivers, not just that town.
Don't ya think?
Vinnie Politan, I am impressed. An impartial investigation. I did not think it was possible from your segments. Whatever about him actually being the guy, he will NOT get a fair trial, that is for sure. I wish someone would investigate the judge. Abby, Libby and their respective families seem to be completely forgotten is this farce. I cannot imagine that the injustice in this will give them peace of mind. RIP Abby and Libby, I hope you will see actual justice one day. 💜💜
Yeah, right, convict the innocent guy (Murdough) and let guilty one ( this one) free. Yeah. Just because of vivid imagination of some people. This is usa for ya
Grey Hughes is a disgrace. Stop giving that scammer a platform.
Yes, I agree about GH another thing is it disgusted me to constantly hear on this program UA-camr JLR yell child killer
Vicious.
I am curious how do they know that the "Bridge guy" was the killer?
At minimum, he is a felony murderer
Why would one of the victims start taking a video of a random man? Because she felt threatened and understood that something wasn't right. I know as a girl I've been in similar situations where I had the feeling that a man was following me, and these two girls were in a secluded area on a bridge, even more scary for them, they sensed the danger
Pre recorded set up - found conveniently under one of the girls
@@Midna.K Sorry that you went through that
Why is there a audio and why a video/picture. Who says it's the same person? Why is it that the video of him saying that?
For five years, 5 years, this individual doesn’t whisper a word about these murders to ANYONE. He then confesses 61 times in prison, awaiting trial, makes sense to me.
He also went completely insane in jail. Talks to the walls wipes his own waste on walls. I do not believe one fat old person did this.
Why would anyone have to confess 61 times? ONE time would be enough. It seems like he was being tortured and confessing was the only thing he thought he could do to make it stop.
Jailhouse religion
Yea something is definitely fishy about all of it. Honestly enough to cause doubt in the whole thing.
He admitted to being on the bridge at the same time. He also described having on the same clothes before the video was released. He did it no doubt.
Please stop having Gray Hughes as a guest. He's unhinged, unprofessional, and incompetent.
Gray is dismissing that fact that the 2nd attorney was convinced of RA innocence after his interview with him.
With what I know so far, I'm not convinced RA is the murderer. There's still some very loose ends that the Prosecution need to deal with.
Like what?
That's what a trial is for.
@@mattthompson9160huh? They asked a question. Who tf are you to call anyone “boy”.
AGREE 👍
@@mattthompson9160 🤣 you are sooo angry fragile little man. Imagine lacking any solid talking points that you resort to name calling like a 7 year old. The person asked a simple question and you’re mad for what?
Why do you keep having Gray Hughes on your show? He’s a bitter old grifter.
He contacts them and begs to be on. They seem to use him for a last minute fill-in, probably out of pity.
@@CryBunny_not true. Same trolls whining
@@CryBunny_no they don't why would he do that? Bob motta has admitted to doing that
@@gibbo822 He has admitted to it.
@@CryBunny_ no he hasn't he's stated many times he does it because it helps get his channel name out he's happy if he doesn't get on or doesn't mind if he does... Bob Motta has stated many a time "I called court tv and begged to get on"
The judge has been prosection and jury already, skewing any results against him irrelevant. Incredible injustice.
Funny… why weren’t you giving this argument when they were tearing down the house that the Idaho 4 lived in?
Wouldn’t want to go inside and see ???
@@TobieWoodel Like most media, Court TV is trying to create controversy for ratings. In fact it is very rare for a jury to visit a crime scene.
A house and a parcel of land aren’t the same thing. Besides, the amounts of images, video, and renderings taken of that house will make sure it lives in the annals of time.
My thought as well
Im extremely suspicious of this entire tragedy 😔
Im not convinced RA did this Heinous Crime so he confessed 65 times did you see him around that time i believe he was being threatened probably in regards to his family ...id confess a million times if i believed my family wouldn't get hurt ...and this judge is a nightmare i think theres understanding that RA is to be the doer of these awful crimes
He was psychotic at the time, eating his own feces.
I can possibly understand the judge blocking the public access to the trial, but the judge denying every single opportunity for the defendant’s attorney to build a case to prove his innocence is very suspicious and concerning.
I wish Vinnie would have asked Barbara to respond about the unspent bullet after Gray stated it was definitely found immediately on the 14th? Barbara had previously reported on Court TV that the unspent bullet was not found on the 14th, but days later? - according to her sources close to the case
She also had shared that the sticks and bark were not immediately collected with the original crime scene evidence, but instead investigators went back weeks later to try to find the original sticks , after this evidence was exposed to contamination and environmental factors. Unbelievable
: 30:50 mark
Yes, Barbara - His name was entered incorrectly
But:
It was logged in as
Rick Allen Whiteman
Whiteman was the Street name of his address
Not Whiteside, as Barbara said, 😩
Keeping things accurate - BB actually said she "thought" the two girls that she saw were Libby and Abby.
" thought"
No one else has said they saw Libby and Abby that day at the trails
The defense has said that RA actually told Dulin in his grocery store interview that he was there at a earlier time other than what the PCA reflects he said .
The PCA actually states the car
" resembled" RAs car, yet imo a purple PT Cruiser, smart car or a old model car( not black )that resembled a Comet does not match a black Ford Focus? These were witnesses descriptions of the car that they saw that day
Unfortunately Dulin can't locate the grocery store interview recording that he says he knows he recorded, because he said he recorded all of his assigned leads.
RA was an assigned lead.
Just another " lost or misplaced piece of crucial evidence in this grossly mishandled investigation.
Sad
Am I right that part of this story is that Richard Allen immediately communicated he HAD been on Monon Bridge on that day, on the very day it first was being broadcast reported on?.......the bullet was found to be deeper into the earth than at first reported too.......so Vinnie described it misleadingly in the first few minutes of this episode.
I'm new to this case.
Why would this family member drop them off in such a location? Who was the family member? How were the girls murdered? Were they raped? And has this family member been cleared? I'm sure these questions have been answered already but I sure would like to know.
Hasn’t this dude confessed like 60 separate times?
Yes, and most importantly, to his wife. You don’t do that if you’re innocent. RA is BG is the killer.
During a period of time when he was clearly showing indications of severe psychological deterioration due to an extended period of solitary confinement - he was exhibiting signs of psychosis, which included smearing his faeces all over everything _and eating it._
Not only that, he “confessed” to shooting the girls - which didn’t happen
Yeah, the prosecutor doesn't want you to see, one dude couldn't travel all that distance and be at the scene for as long as it apparently took, more hiding facts from the public, huh wonder why?
More involved than just one?
If convicted the appeal will be what fills gaping holes in the case that started in the beginning.
The authority in that area have ensured that A&L get no justice.
There won't be an appeal on what grounds? Yes he's entitled doesn't mean if will be granted
14:44 crazy that the phone expert never even went to the scene or thought to count the steps to the road vs the creek
Why, WHY does Court TV have Gray Hughes on????? He is an idiot who just says stuff because he loves attention!!!!
Why do you think he's an idiot? Is it because he can't read or write, but pretends to be a detective? Or, is it because he couldn't find his @ss with both hands?
@@CryBunny_ yes
@@CryBunny_ All of the above😂
@@Danish_girl 😂
I am sorry the new owners may not want the jury on their property. Justice beats personal wishes, they cannot overrule that.
A jury seeking justice for 2 kids seems like they would make an allowance for a viewing. That right there seems sketchy.
17:57
Absolutely not! He will not get a fair trial! He has been screwed over at EVERY turn! I don’t understand how that judge (and I use that term lightly), can continue to get by with her prejudicial treatment!
The judge, prison guards, the DA, prosecutor, the cops. They are responsible. They need to be held accountable.
Stop it you fool
@@gibbo822no, buddy is correct. Everyone in Delphi is in on the odinist human sacrifice ritual done by white supremacists except RA and his defense team.
Responsible for what?
@@rowanrobbins for the murders I guess 🤣🤣🤣
@@rowanrobbins Read up on the case and how it's been handled thus far. You'll get your answer. A simple google should even suffice.
Thing is...
RA saw 3 girls and 3 girls saw a "creepy man" only those 3 girls were actually 4 girls walking together, but one was like 8 or 9 years old so has never really been mentioned. There were apparently 3 other girls there around the same time or just before that were on the trail that day going to play basketball near Deer Creek - so is it possible that the 3 girls RA saw were in actual fact the "basketball girls" not the "creepy man" girls.
I live in Terre Haute Indiana I pray these girls and families get justice 🙏
They WON'T allow the jury on their property?! Man that would be shitty and sus
Cheers 🍻 to Vinny P. Your the best always enjoy your shows
Can someone look more into why Ferency died?? It’s not coincidence!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think RA will have a decent chance at an appeal given the decisions the judge continues to make with minimal discussion of her reasoning, the disaster of a police investigation, the discrepencies in how he was incarcerated versus others waiting for trial, and the utter lack of transparency. A fair trial isn't just the actual days in court. A fair trial means fair due process from arrest to verdict or sentencing. I am skeptical he's receiving that. The lack of transparency and quashing of the defense's ability to bring forward facts and data for alternate theories in their pursuit of reasonable doubt is sketch.
No chance haha
I agree, imperialgirl.
@@imperialgirl4858 25% of prisoners in prison are pre trial detainees
@@gibbo822 Pre-trial detainees stay in the county jail, they aren't sent directly to a maximum secuity prison.
@@imperialgirl4858 wrong he had a safe keeping order and the prison was the only place that could facilitate that.
Also 25% of inmates held in prison are pre conviction. Its not uncommon at all stop acting like it is
Everyone who has gone to the location has expressed surprise and even shock at how different the terrain is than what they previously envisioned.
Property owners who says no must be the most egoistical ever. I don't care about there feelings.
It’s a damn Bus ride away! If the State has nothing to hide , then they hide nothing at all! I’m throwing the BS FLAG on this
Not a chance of a fair trial with this judge on the case.
Appeal is already on the minds of the defence - Ms Gull and jury has already found him guilty for sure
@@MissRPG-od8epmoney is all that's on the mind of the defense
How can the defence not be allowed to offer alternative suspects, like Kline or Logan? Thats crazy....
21:52
Someone please tell me how this POS judge is getting by with IMO breaking the law?
Just because you don't agree and don't understand the law does not mean the judge is doing anything illegal.
I wish the entire bridge video was released. It’s clear that the voice and the clip of him walking are not synced. They are played as though it’s at the same time but the voice heard and the man walking, again are clearly not synced. I believed they did sense danger to prompt them to record but what about the possibility of anyone behind them. An important question to me is what made the young lady decide to record when it seems as the bridge guy in the clip seems to not be acknowledging the girls with his head down and with hands in pockets seems totally harmless in my opinion. I imagine that if the young lady had the forethought to record the bridge guy, that she continued to record until her phone was noticeable, taken, or the battery died.
@@SteveC-id6dq From what law enforcements said Libby started filming then put the phone in her pocket as the suspect approached them, the phone kept recording although it was only audio at this point and is disturbing audio so they will never play the whole thing for the public
@@Midna.K thank you for clarifying.
@@SteveC-id6dqif that was the case why doesn't BG come forward and say "I saw two girls leave the bridge with another man"
Idiot
5:01 yes Vinnie, the jury should be allowed to visit the scenes, why shouldn't they? It would give them a fuller understanding of the timeline and whether it all could've happened in the short time the state have given for the crimes to have taken place, the terrain, whether it is plausible that no one saw or heard anything as two young girls were brutally mur*****, it would give them pause for thought as to how there was little to no mud/dirt on the girls clothes etc.
So glad you had Bob on show. He says the facts
He's full of 💩 he was part of the due process gang leaked messages where they threatened jurors and spreading misinformation
@@Hannah-201 agree! ❤️
RA is going to be proven guilty. I am not saying he’s guilty, but the folks are working very hard behind the scenes to make sure that the REAL PERPETRATORS don’t receive blame. This is way out of control. The trial needs to be moved and so does that judge. Every single time that I see that “down the hill” video, my gut feeling is RL and he did NOT act alone. Something very wrong is happening in Delphi, Indiana.
If Allen did it why didn't police arrest him sooner? They heard the entire recording. They should have recognized his voice the moment they walked into cvs.
I guess you had to get Gray on to replace the MS? Because so many people complained about MS, and now you have resorted to Gray. I guess any decent, well spoken, well reasoned "guilty before trial" commenters is a very small pool. In fact, I struggle to think of even one who is knowledgeable about this case.
That would make sense. Richard Allen was in his 40s. Could have easily walked that terrain, there are lots of pictures of him hiking a lot of other places. Ron, being much older would not most have likely walked that area with the girls.
Yes
A channel on here called Indy Archive has excellent drone footage and ground footage of the bridge and area where the girls perished. They have quite a few videos.
Prosecutor is saying that jurors can’t go is because they know they are full of crap. And it’s not difficult to get too. They so cap
They so cap ? lol
I just love this new youtube culture that classifies someone as an expert in a given field just because they sit and run their suck 24/7 about a given topic.
I’m not convinced that he is.
This case is so messed up. The judge displays an OBVIOUS bias against Richar Allen and his attorneys. She is doing everything to thwart the defense. How can this happen? His detention conditions and the Odinist thing is also very problematic. What institution/people in the US are responsible to report this kind of mismanagement of justice? I hope he gets at least a mistrial.
Hopefully the appellate court will reverse the conviction, when it happens. I don’t know if RA is guilty but I do know he’s not getting a fair trial so far.
The Geo fencing also shows that Ron Logan was in the area of the Monon High Bridge at 2:09 February 13 2017.
You have all made a very good point about the terrain and who would know the terrain better than the land owner.
When I walk home there may be shortcuts etc. but I am going home.
Why would a stranger lead these children to Ron Logan’s house? I don’t think the person wanted to be seen., and walking on somebody else’s land is a good way to be seen, unless it’s your own land.
Ron Logan knew Abbie’s mother and probably scolded her for something she was doing and said he was taking them back to his house to call her mother. I believe it was a TOTAL SHOCK when they realized he was going to kill them. He kept them at his house until the police and searchers left
Returned with them to the location where their bodies were found at 7:56 PM probably looking for liberty’s phone. He knew that she had him on her phone. He may have thought about trying to call the phone and then realized he shouldn’t Then he returned again at 10:16 PM. That was also on the geofencing report.
The FBI lady that filed the search warrant was not a rookie. She knew what she was doing because she had been doing this for 12 years.
I’ll never believe it was ever Richard Allen. It was Ron Logan
Was I the only one that noticed Ron Logan hid when he realized the camera was pointed at him?
No it doesn't you've just made that up
@@gibbo822 WHAT world are you living in ? You believe anything somebody tells you but you don’t believe actual facts. Here you go here’s the proof.
Ron Logan Sworn Affidavit, Probable Cause & Authorization of Search and Seizure
TWENTY-TWO
A call placed using Logan's cell phone produced cell tower data.
This shows Logan's cell phone appears to be in or around his property on FEBRUARY 13 AT. 2:09, although his exact location cannot be confirmed.
The tower data shows that Logan's cellphone was in the Delphi area in the area of the Monon High Bridge Trail.
TWENTY-THREE
An analysis of Logan's cell phone data revealed a text message sent from his phone at 7:56pm on February 13, 2017.
The initial exam of this analysis indicates Logan's phone was likely outside of his residence and in the proximity of where LG and AWS bodies were located.
TWENTY-FOUR
An analysis of Logan's cell phone data revealed a text message received by his phone at 10:16pm on February 13, 2017.
The initial exam of this analysis indicates Logan's phone was likely outside of his residence and in the proximity of where LG and AW bodies were located.
TWENTY-FIVE
Logan met with LEOs on or about February 17, 2017.
While they were on his property, logon was physically able to get up and down the hill from his home to the crime scene.
Omygosh!
@@gibbo822 are you working with CTV because I find a very odd that I produced documents to back up these facts and they get erased but they keep you on here saying that I’m a liar and I don’t like that
@@lasandralee5487 what are you talking about? If you put links they likely got removed by UA-cam.
Geo fencing showed 3 young teens not Ron Logan
It was a great documentary til the laughing stock that is Gray Hughes showed up. What a moron!
Gray Hughes apparently has it all figured out. The prosecution should just bring him in as an expert witness, and Richard Allen would be as good as convicted. I don't know why we're even talking about it anymore. That's it. I guess it's a done deal. No need for additional evidence or information. 🤷
Bob Motta knows this case inside out. Really enjoy his commentary and thoughts.