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I noticed something, The talonflame at the beginning is a fletchling at the end. The title is Z-A, not A-Z. The Z looks modern while the A looks like a leaf. So we might start off in modern Kalos and then go back to old Kalos, before the renovation.
@@ConoratorI remember the ultimate weapon is what caused mega evolution or something. Like it created 2 universes where one has mega and one doesn’t. And there was a theory that mega and past paradox Pokémon is related in some way, supported by mega salamence and roaring moon having relatively similar designs. Megas are maybe the past forms of Pokémon being brought back or something. So it could be A(the ultimate weapons) causing something to do with the past.
This game is being made by GameFreaks secondary team who worked on B2W2, ORAS, USUM, LGPE, and Legends Arceus, with the last 3 coming out less than 5 years apart . When this game comes out it will have been almost 4 years since legends Arceus wrapped up development - making it the longest development time for a pokemon game in close to a decade. Given the B-team's track record I think it's fair to say this game has a shot at being beautiful..
OH? I mean music slaps but what about gameplay replayability? I agree that legends arceus is amazing but it felt more like a tech demo of what is possible.
Wait that's a REALLY GOOD track record, I wasn't really sure about this game but now I'm HYPED UP BABYYY!!!! (Also it got 2/4 games that I played legally-ORAS and USUM- so that's gotta be something)
A little detail to add about the "an ending into a new beginning" i noticed that we follow a Talonflame for a real short moment but a Fletchling flys over the city in the end
Hello, I’m a game dev (not for Nintendo just in general). So whole buildings don’t have to be actually rendered as a whole with open world games, that would take up a significant amount of processing power for any console . There’s many ways to go about it. But some of the tricks we use in the industry can be: -having a cone of vision, where only the cone of vision that you’re seeing is being rendered, this has been used in games like GTA. -In most games we also have higher and lower poly models, the closer you get the higher poly it gets, the further the lower poly, sometimes even being reduced down to a plane. -Lastly another method I can think of is offloading certain faces of the model that are not in view, so like the back of a building can be offloaded until you can see it. This is obviously not every method, and these methods also have their limits. Pokemon has used these methods in some sense, but I won’t speak on their success at doing so.
-In most games we also have higher and lower poly models, the closer you get the higher poly it gets, the further the lower poly, sometimes even being reduced down to a plane. yeah.. nintendo is using this model all the time... besides the higher part :D
The redevelopment of Paris itself was a fight between past and future. A lot of people at the time hated it, not just for the displacement but also because it made people for the changes it made. With people being nostalgic for the old Paris. Although, the redevelopment did reduce illness (less overly crowded city)
I have a theory that the name Z-A is a reference to the game being "backwards" (the alphabet normally is A-Z, but is Z-A), the game will start at the future, and go back to the past as the game advance, or maybe you'll alternate between future and past, tying to the time travel and paradox theme of S/V
Depending on how far back it goes, the ZA could also be a reference to AZ, and this cold potentially be the story of his ultimate weapon and the devastation it caused
Alternating between past and future could be interesting, and if it does happen, I imagine that you'll be playing the descendant in the future and the ancestor in the past. With you as the descendant learning more about your ancestor, which could possibly tie into learning about potential hidden places that hadn't been discovered in a long time.
@@meatkirbo that's obvious, but I think that what we should be focusing more is, if so, why they named Z-A, instead of AZ? And why add the "-" between them? These two seem like the weirdest choices, thus the most significant ones, and more vital to decipher the game
This is why you're one of my favorite youtubers. It's insane how fast you put out such a incredibly detailed video in such a short time. Nothing you mention feels like a stretch and I learn so many new things. You're the best, Lockstin.
THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! As a history nerd, I'm so excited for the Haussmannian Pokemon game! Lumiose is by far my favorite city in Pokemon because it is the only city that really feels like a fully-fledged city. Seeing medieval style Lumiose turn into modern Lumiose would be awesome! And it would give opportunities for the sewer system, maybe even expansion on the power plant area. I'm so hyped!
Like Castelia city with the sewers in black and white, that city did feel like a city too with the people passing by and the sewers added on it, but yeah we could use a city with much more interesting things and places to explore.
You people are so stupid, it's not gonna be based on Hausmann, it's not gonna be hundreds of years ago. Even the sketches show a woman in a modern trainer outfit. This will be in modern times and most likely set after XY.
I don't think I'm seeing enough people talking about the fact that Z-A is clearly something to do with Az, from X and Y. We really didn't learn a lot about him, and a legends game would be PERFECT for that.
But his story and the war happened 3 thousand years ago, and I don't think anything exciting happened around him ever since, no way this game will be set 3 thousand years ago, like I said in my comment: A game centered around the time of AZ and the war would be great but that was 3 THOUSAND years ago, long before pokeballs were made and I don't see them making a game where we play as a human and don't use pokeballs.
I really hope we can encounter Eternal Flower Floette. Plus with the return of Mega Evolutions I hope some mons like Flygon or the Kalos starters have it too!
Having everything take place in Lumiose City makes me wonder if Game Freak took a look at the issues of Scarlet and Violet’s large empty over worlds and decided to use Legends Z-A to do the opposite and create a more tightly focused environment.
I’m fairly sure this game is actually set around 1870, the tail end of the Haussmann redevelopment of Paris. Notably this is also the end of the reign of Napoleon III, the final emperor of France. Having a story about the final king of Kalos would be an interesting way to take it
Genuinely wondering, Was that ever solidified? I remember in the earlier games they were invented in Johto, but then that got a bit retconned. Wouldn't surprise me at all though, Europe brought a LOT of technology to Japan in the 17 and 1800s.
Mega Evolution can finally do some justice to Flygon, Milotic and Froslass. Hoping the Kalos natives get one too; Florges, Aegislash, Goodra, Dragalge, Clawitzer, and of course the starters.
I do wonder if there will both be new Megas as well as new regional variants. Definitely not impossible for super forms and regional variants to co-exist if SwSh is anything to go by.
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilk imagine a new regional variant that gets a new evolution then mega on top of that. Imagine Ledian/Sunflora evolve one more time then the new evo mega evolves. Sign me up lol!
I hope xerneas has past form,and yveltal has modern form then zygarde have 20%,30%,40%,60%,70%,80% and 90% then AZ Floette is battle bond Floette like Ash Greninja
I wonder if we'll be able to explore Kalos' version of the Paris catacombs. What if, during the reconstruction, they opened up the catacombs of the old city, releasing hords of wild Pokémon, including those long though to have gone extinct (regional variants/fakes).
I 100% agree that the whole city that we are taken through is supposed to be a drawling of the plans made fancier. When I first was watching it it reminded me greatly of an AutoCAD drawing that your zooming in and out of.
I can already see a pretty obvious structure with the 5 segments of the city built arouns whatever those circles are. I imagine you complete a story segment in each area and everytime you finish a milestone more of the lumiose tower gets built.
I mean that's what people were wanting to see a lot of the lore stuff in paldea points towards kalos being revisited like with the great crater the ruin pokémon and AZ's floette
@@theJennicat Yeah. Lets Hope the Game comes in a good technichal state. Its sad the last Legends game had bad graphics and was so limited. After sv I hope we get games with more quality, and Legends has great potential.
I’ve seen a lot of people saying the game will be bad because it takes place entirely in the city… and I can just *tell* that they’ve never been in a big city before.
It also tells that those people have never played a game that takes place in one city. Because there a quiet a few good games that take place in one city.
@@marlaneperkins8175yes but this is a pokemon game literally a game that encourages exploring open areas for stuff the game will literally flop if it’s only in lumiose a lot of people have said that’s a big turn off for them so if that’s the route they go this game will be the least selling game they ever made
The flickering lights could be a reference or nod to the old-fashioned "horse in motion" project showing how the pictures are coming to life as the animation begins
Blueprints were on white paper dipped in light sensitive pigment. So when the diagram was put on top and exposed to sunlight most of the white paper would turn blue and the sections covered by the lines would stay white. They would wash out the uncured pigment so it wouldn’t turn pure blue next time it was put into the sun
2:00 The Ainu did not call Hokkaido Ezo as far as im aware, Ezo was the name for Hokkaido and Karafuto/Sakhalin by the Japanese before it was called Hokkaido. The Ainu called it something like Ainumosir.
When the pokemon company said the entire game would take place in lumiose, I think Lovkstin is right in thinking that the areas to catch wild pokemon in the game will be the outskirts of old lumiose which the city is trying to expand into
If they wanted they could also incorporate the Paris catacombs into the game as some sort of underground area, maybe that’s where you’ll catch pokemon not native to the city
There won’t be pokemon in the city the trailer tells us they wanna make it where pokemon and people can co exist in the city so there won’t be pokemon in the city when we play
My extremely far-out wish is that we continue with the protagonist from the last game (Rei/Akari) and professor Laventon touring the world in search of new pokemon. With the pair being drawn to Lumiose city for the equivalent of the 1889 Paris World’s Fair, and then being dragged into the Zygarde mess. Or they’re attracted there *by* the Zygarde mess I just find the idea of professor laventon geeking out over the redevelopment of lumiose and/or the inventions at the World’s Fair and dragging Rei/Akari with him to be hilarious!
I'd prefer them just being tourist cameos but I also don't know if calem and serena or their ancestors will be back bc this can't be another arceus Isekai situation right?
This does honestly make a lot of sense when you think about it. Remember, most of the people in Jubilife that came there with Komado, came from Kalos. Komado's home region as indicated by his armor (identical to Wikstrom's armor, just different colors) So it would make sense to be a direct sequel to Legends: Arceus as you're now helping Komado bring peace back to his home region.
i would definitely love a cameo of the Arceus protags, especially since some characters look like they have a mix of Hisui and Kalos ancestry, but I want to see Calem and Serena again. I don't want them to be replaced in their own game/region 😅
I feel like the whole hologram part of the trailer was just kind of alluding to how Lumiose City currently is in the present. IIRC, the confidential papers did say this was a project to have people and Pokémon co-exist together, so I assume this project succeeded. I kinda hope now that Lumiose will slowly be built more and more as the story progresses and you make an effort to develop the city and assist the new residents
I also think pretty strongly it's referring to the redevelopment of Paris as that makes the most sense, but I also want to point out that in the sketch, there's a lady in a baseball hat. they were invented in 1860 but were used almost exclusively by and for baseball players and fans, until the 1960s when they became popular mainstream fashion. and as well, I personally got a sort of noire vibe from the papers. I know it's the plans and sketches for the town's blueprints, but they still kinda look like case files too, so I get the feeling it could be a detective noir plot where we're employed by a new looker-type character to go around the city (and it be the reason we don't LEAVE the city ever) solving mysteries until we uncover some big secret in the underbelly of the city using the legendaries.
All of the people in the blueprint have modern clothing and the Japanese tagline says something about a dream of peaceful cohabitation between humans and pokemon, so I think it's just representing the architect's vision of modern day xy lumiose city. Still totally possible to have looker like side quests! He could be a faller again or Emma carrying his legacy
@@anny8720 well, "modern" is subjective, and none of the clothes we see are so modern that they're unheard of in the 1860s to 1960s, neither of which I'd consider modern. they're just not like, regency garb and therefor aren't overtly obvious as the past. to me, we don't have to be in French Court in a big poofy dress and tall powdered wig for it to be the past, but I'm sure some would consider a game set in the 60s (living memory) to be a modern game. and as for that tagline, that just makes me feel like it's that much older, as PLA represents the colonization of Ezo when it became Hokkaido in 1869, and people were terrified of pokemon and did their best to avoid them, with very few managing to control one or two. to dream of a peaceful cohabitation between humans and pokemon means that fear is still fairly common, which I don't think it would be by the 1960s when baseball hats became common fashion. but it would still be common that far across the world in 1853-1870 when Paris was rebuilt, and right smack in there is when baseball hats were invented, and the blazer (the jackets we see most of them wearing) was invented in 1837. I think the kid in the shot with the ball cap is a duffle coat which was invented the 1850s, but it could also be a peacoat invented in the 1800s. most of the rest of them are ether too far away or too nondescript to be identifiable, at least for me. but nothing screams modern or future to me imo. and this being a rebuilding of Paris and Paris having an actual rebuild so that people could live safe and healthy lives is a little too obvious to me. I really can't imagine them picking Paris for this kind of plot but making it a totally different way in the future redesign that....also looks basically the same as the original, just more detailed bc it's the only map and on a stronger console. it can still be a "modern interpretation of the future of Kalos" to them, but be the past for us. but if you can find something in that trailer that definitively dates it well past 1870 do let me know!
I think because of the Z through A it might be a dual story of half of the story in 1800s but because of some form of Pokémon logic you get transported to far in the future and get to see what you helped build.
I think if like Hisui they give us a new set of starters it is very likely to be Snivy, Piplup and Torchic. Serperior and Empoleon are already explicitly French. The national bird of France is the rooster so Blaziken would fit well. (plus a trailer for indigo disk did show all the hisuian starters with these 3 starters so it could have been a hint).
@anghainguyen9951 How? The last legends game,we didn't receive the sinnoh starters and instead got different ones, so this might also be the case It's actually better they're not starter since you could use all now
I hope you see this theory, but I know it's unlikely I think the redevelopment plan is set after the Kalos war. Where the region was building itself back up after the ultimate weapon. Maybe Zygarde is involved because the weapon used it back then. Zygarde agreed with attacking the humans, but didn't realize it was being used to attack Pokémon as well. When it did, it left into a cave as a punishment for itself. Thus years of imbalance in like- every Pokémon game, and it would help GameFreak make a retcon that makes sense on why Zygarde is in that cave in the earlier games.
@@davyt0247we kinda have to be bc the weapon is what created megas and megas are in the game so that kinda confirms we’re playing after the weapon was fired
Based on the trailer, the likely construction of the lumiose we know over nature, and the fact of “whole game taking place in lumiose” from the Nintendo post I think we’ll get random encounters inside the town itself which is something I’ve wanted for a while.
5:30 At first I kinda imagined the Diamond and Pearl clans were the Hisui equivalent of Ezo/Hokkaido's native Ainu. But I think the Celestica people are the most likely candidates Also, my current hc for the urban works group in Lumiose is that it's called the "Nova Project" or sth. Cuz supernovas, they can give rise to stars. The logo looks a bit like a bursting star? The sun is a star, and Team Flare is named after solar flares. A common theme of energy emissions.. Also, "re-nova-tion" ;)
At one point, Paris didn't want any wildlife in the city at all. Nature was slowly reintroduced when King Louis made people see nature in a different way. In Legends: Arceus, people and pokemon live separate lives and are just barely coming together as partners. Legends: Z-A could be so rich in lore. It'll most likely focus on the point where Lumiose City goes from a concrete fortress meant to keep out hostile pokemon, to a modern mecca where people and pokemon live and work together in peace and harmony.
I think the redevelopment plan is perhaps for the invention of pokeballs specifically. As the trailer showed, the blue prints seemed very pokemon accessible, with wide roads and canals for water types. Perhaps the ability to have pokemon as closer partners with pokeballs spurred the Lumiose city government to redesign and expand the city for its new purpose to suit both people and pokemon?
im taking a class in college about paris past and present and we learn about the history of the city and linking it to pokemon is so cool especially right now!!
Also, about the rebuilding of Paris under Haussmann, it was, well, during the Second Empire. A major difference between medieval and Haussmannian Paris is the width of the streets. They were much narrower before, and that meant that during the revolutions that preceded, people could easily barricade them. Napoleon III did not like that, so, just in case a revolution formed under his reign, he made barricades impossible, or at least much harder to do.
One thing I hear no one talking about is how you can't have something be a legend if it's in the future. The whole idea of a legend is a story in the past, a legend past down through generations not a tale in the future.
I'm just waiting for the Kalos equivalent of the Sinnoh Underground. That could certainly flesh out the city space more. not to mention make it heckin spooky in Paris, the dead outnumber the living 3:1, after all...
Clearly Z-A will be a dungeon crawler. You delve into tunnels deep below Lumiose (based on the real life catacombs in paris) and look for resources to rebuild the city! Cracked it.
I'm hoping and praying this game takes place in the future. Theyve said it's going to take place entirely in lumiose city, and i don't see a scenario where a industrial revolution lumiose is enough for a whole game. On the other hand i think a futuristic megacity utopia would be great, it could have diverse artificial ecosystems and a city large enough for a big game
I loved PLA, but I would love this game to be as original as PLA was, so I hope that they don’t do the same gameplay mechanics and do something entirely unique
Over the past few games, Pokémon has done a lot of stuff dealing with past and future. I was thinking that one game was going to be more past focused with people talking about how things used to be (missing the good old days) and the other focusing on the future and people talking about what can/will be. I know they have already done this, but it feels like an ongoing motif in this current Pokémon era. I feel like the transition from a sketch diagram to a futuristic 3d neon/cyber punk diagram was very intentional and not just a blueprint. They are making the lines glow and showing the Pokémon being rendered. Also, if you look at the legends series as "a look at the past in order to make a better future," it makes even more sense
I disagree. With your last point. There is a reason that the game will be just lumiose. The goal is to practice and master city development. Then maybe they can put all 3 in one place for the switch 2. Urban has a lot less bloom, and they can’t possibly fit too many Pokémon in. In fact city’s are a lot easier to do this with than fields. Way more blocking, things that don’t need to be rendered until or unless you go into the alley. And they don’t change. This would also allow them to practice making walls that they can translate to mountains.
2:10 "Same thing as real history, at least the same idea - minus the natives, as always" Except that it was a fairly major part of PLA's story that the Diamond and Pearl clans were the native inhabitants of Hisui, and while their leaders were interested in brokering cooperation between their clans and the incoming Survey Corps., many of their members were strongly skeptical or outright against it, especially among the older generations... how is "the tension between natives and colonizers is a major plot point" an example of "minus the natives, as always"?
One interesting thing that came to mind when thinking about starters, Pokemon, etc, is however unlikely it is - imagine if one of the 3 Starters isnt even from a game we have yet. They could hint at Gen 10 directly and just laugh at our confusion. It'd be as amazing as it is unfortunately unlikely
theory: this game takes place a few years after The Great Pokemon war (the one that was seemingly between Kalos and Paldea, judging from the Kalos's Ultimate Weapon and Paldea's Area Zero sharing the same crystal-heavy design). We're rebuilding their city after it's been destroyed by warfare and such. Plus, in Kalos, they say they built the Ultimate Weapon (something with roughly the same power as a NUKE and can ressurect Pokemon) 3,000 years ago... I don't think the timeline really matters too much-
I'm cautiously excited now. I don't love the idea of the entire game being set in Lumiose at all. Yeah it's a neat idea that hasn't been tried, but the whole game? Part of the fun of remakes and PL:A was being able to see an old region through a new lens, not just one of the towns. Plus, Kalos literally only had one game, so why not take this chance to expand upon the whole region and not just Lumiose?
i think it's surprising you didn't mention AZ or his war/weapon at all, since the A in the title slightly resembles the weapon. With what you mentioned about the paris agreement, the redevelopment in the 1800s, and the founding of paris it makes me think this is a time travel game which is very intriguing to me
I‘d love a Legends game in a modern setting. I‘m also a fan of Solarpunk aesthetics, so I‘m kinda hoping we’re looking at the futuristic option, you described. It’s also kinda fitting how we‘re contemplating if this is gonna be past, or future-inspired, considering that’s what the theme of the last mainline-games was.
Wild idea: What if it's both past AND future? Ocarina of Time style, you travel back and forth between old Kalos and future Kalos, start new building projects in the past and then travel to the future to see that work completed. Fruits of your labor, sort of speak. Anyone with me on this?
The problem with it being in the past is right there in the trailer. The pokemon are in the city. Even if this is after Hisui, they wouldn't befriend pokemon that fast to actually have them all around like that. And to say Hisui was just behind the times for being recently built doesn't fit, since most of the top people in the town were from other regions, and could tell the people pokemon aren't scary. No way Lumios is advanced enough to not fear pokemon when the other regions are all the opposite back then. Not to mention Furfrou being shown. Furfrou is a domesticated pokemon, especially with the different haircuts. This is definitely a later timeframe.
I suppose in our world, France did used to be called Gaul, but that was well before the Meiji restoration era. Given that Legends Arceus was set in a gen 4 region and officially a gen 8 game, it's notable that none of its regional variants or new evolutions were from the then-most recent gen, 8, nor of the gen that region originally came out, 4, nor the gen immediately preceding it, 3. And of the next-most recent gen, 7, there was only a single variant- a starter. All the starters were from different, non-consecutive gens. Also, since Mega evolutions were unofficially retired, none of the evolutionary lines Pokémon who had Mega form have received regional variants nor new evolutions- presumably because they'd then have to come up with a new Mega form and thus un-retire the mechanic. Anyway, it's canon that the Mega evolutions were a thing in those gen 6 games but not before or since because they're set in an alternate universe apart from the main timeline due to AZ's actions, right? Making a Legends game for Kalos implies a return to the alternate timeline where Mega evolutions exist. And given that Paradox Pokémon introduced in gen 9, the most recent gen, and are Pokémon from an invalid timeline... that implies they're from an alternate universe... presumably the only canonically established alternate universe, _this_ one that gen 6 was set in... see where I'm going with this? Maybe the Paradox Pokémon will get actual names and evolutions, previous stages, maybe even variant Mega forms for Iron Thorns and Iron Valiant? And Hisuian forms were Pokémon that went extinct without leaving revivable fossils or require a now-expended evolution item or using an attack they lost the ability to learn by the time Diamond, Pearl and Platinum roll around, right? Works the same way for whatever regional variants and new evolutions we might get here? Anyway, given the rules implicitly set by Arceus and regional variants/new evolutions thus far, I'd say we won't get any variants from Pokémon whose evolutionary lines were introduced in gens 5, 6, or 9, will only get a single starter from 8, its other two starters can't be from gens 1, 3 or 7- which then just leaves 4 and 2. My money's on Meganium, Empoleon, and Cinderace getting regional variants. Meganium because gen 2 starters are in most need of buffs, especially Meganium specifically. It has rather limited move pool, less-than stellar (meaning slightly sub-par) stat total, and kind of basic and borderline uninspired design. Empoleon is the most obvious considering it's an *Emperor* penguin based on Napoleon Bonaparte, I'd be genuinely shocked if the water starter were anything else. And Cinderace because... pretty sure France has several fairy tales and fables involving rabbits and it's the fire starter of the only generation left to take a starter from. As for what else they'd have to fill out the roster for variants and/or new evolutions, the gens untouched by Legends Arceus are likely top of the list. I'd wager on Tropius, Luvdisk, Torkoal, Plusle & Minun, Seviper, Zangoose, Poochyena line, Kricketot line, and Crabrawler line. Aside from them, gens 1 & 2 I think could/should get something are Kingler, Dewgong, Seeking, Parasect, Golduck, Hypno, Butterfree, Pineco line, Granbull, Sunflora, Aipom line, Azurill line, Bonsly line... Sources of inspiration will most likely be countries that France has historically colonized and/or occupied, which includes (but is not limited to) Quebec Canada, Haiti, Dominican Republic, the Cajun middle chunk of the United states (Louisiana purchase), Egypt, Senegal, Morocco, Guinea, Madagascar, Cambodia, Algeria, _kind_ of Austria... etc. I'm sure there's no shortage of inspiration to draw from with all that. Legends games don't make new Pokémon, they exclusively make regional variants and new evolutions of existing Pokémon. Could draw from local wildlife, mythological lore, bits of pop culture and local sub-cultures, history... But let's make some predictions. Egypt easily has the most potential. Ooh, what if we got some kind of Ra-inspired variant of Pidgeot? There are slightly more moon-themed Pokémon than there are Sun-themed, would be nice to balance that out a bit. Perhaps an Anubis-inspired Riolu line variant. A Tawaret-inspired Hippopotus line variant. Probably some kind of Nile reeds variant for a grass type, like Tangela or Lotad line. Natu line is Native American inspired, where several tribes that occupied the chunk of the US that France owned, such as the Sioux and Cherokee tribes and I _think_ the Haudenosaunee? A Xatu variant seems likely. Ooh, what if we got a Dreamcatcher Pokémon, like a Comfey or Klefki variant? Or what if we got a Spinarak line variant or new evolution that spun Dreamcatchers? There's pitcher plants in the Bayou, so I'm hoping for a variant of Victreebel- which would be easily implemented as a branch evolution for Weepinbell since it's a stone evolution; I think a Cobra Lily would be good inspiration (even though that's from different region). While I'm at it, Konjac and Sundew-inspired variants for Vileplume and Bellossom variants respectively. Probably something Beauty & the Beast inspired, Cinderella, maybe Blue Beard? France has a very remarkable history of gunsmiths and ballistic warfare, so can likely expect a Remoraid line variant, probably water/steel. Given how popular Miraculous Ladybug has been I'd be genuinely shocked and very disappointed if they didn't create a new evolution for Ledian, and given that the villain is moth-themed we can probably expect something new for Venomoth by that same token. Peacocks are fashionable and relevant to Miraculous Ladybug... perhaps a Peacock variant for Spearow line? As far as Pokémon from other succeeding regions that could fit into this one in their existing forms, Nikit line will likely come considering the legend of Renart the Fox. Perhaps Alolan Meowth line considering the significance of the Black cat in France. Alolan Rattata line may come up considering the Pixar film Ratatouille. Perhaps even Galarian Meowth line considering Puss in Boots. Maybe the Impadimp and Hatenna lines. What can the rest of you think of? Comment below.
Haussmann's *Redevelopment* of Paris 1853 - 1870 Spiritomb was sealed around 500~ years before Modern (2007~09) Sinnoh. Vessa/Spiritomb tells us the Seal was weakened after 200~ years during the Events of Legends: Arceus.
About the pokeball development I don't think it would have taken too long to get to Kalos because the Professor in PLA was originally from Galar so once the pokeballs were developed, the design for them could have been sent quite quickly back to Galar and in turn Kalos could have heard about them as well. Just a thought.
I’m hoping for a Zelda: Oracle of Ages style game where you’re constantly hopping between the past and present, and your actions in the past will change the future.
The biggest problem i have with the Tweet of the Nintendo of America of the game being based entirely only in Lumiose City, is the Diversity of the Pokemon that would be available in the game. I mean, it's not like you can catch Pokemons found in the Mountains and Sea of Kalos in just Lumiose City or it's nearby vicinity right.
Re Legends Arceus, are the Diamond and Pearl clans not intended stand-ins for the Ainu? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they exactly convey the reality of Japanese colonialism’s effect on indigenous Ainu culture, but I’m pretty sure that’s what they’re meant to be.
Further, the War that made AZ happened 300 years prior to XY, right? 2013-300=1713. What if the game takes place after the war, and the redevelopment is to rebuild Kalos post-conflict?
Personally it taking place entirely in the city is more evidence that it’s in the past. As you move away from the center of the city you’ll get more wild like areas probably with stronger Pokémon.
The switch has more than enough power to do a vastly more detailed open game world. The problem is Gamefreak needs to get it through it's head that it needs to start properly optimizing its productions.
Pokemon Z was always rumored to be the Black 2/White 2 of Pokemon X & Y, so taking place soon thereafter the events of X & Y, in modern day. There will almost certainly then be the traveling back to the past to experience the early days of Lumiose City, and perhaps some involvement with the scary mystery figure known as AZ from the X/Y storyline.
Its hard to decypher "galar script" in cursive but the company's name appears to be "Origin" as the two "x"s in the logo most closely resemble a character usually used in place of "i"s Given that the logo appears twice in the trailer (once stamped onto the paper and once when it transitions into the CAD software) My guess is this will be our "galaxy team" if the game.
I am betting some Galar lore will leak in. This sort of idea of Eternatus wanting to stay in the past while Zygarde wishes to destroy it all in order to rebuild kind of thing
I mean it’s in the title right? It’s called a Legend for a reason, it has to be set in the past. If it was for the future, that’s a prophecy. Legends are from the past.
I thought it would be some remake this year, probably Jotho. But you know? Kalos kinda deserves it. XY where dragged though the dirt and it did not deserve it. In my way of seeing it, it could be something related to the present. Or an actual paradox, with past and future at the same time. I think since gen 8 was past, gen 10 should be the future, leaving gen 9 with either both (paradox pokemon) or none. Yes, I know legends usually means something that has happened. But it could be a legend about a prophecy that is yet to happen, having both past and future.
To be fair Lockstin, maybe they don't have to develop the entire city, just parts and you have to travel between parts... so it'd be sandbox style open world (like Arceus and Super Mario Odyssey) which would be much easier to render. In fact, one complaint people found about SV is that it rendered too much which caused so many issues....
He didn't talk a single bit about the Great War... it could very much be about recovering from the great war and zygarde being livid at humanity for participating in said war.
I honestly dont know which option sounds cooler. Fingers crossed its coming out NEXT year to be a Switch 2 launch title.
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Did you miss the end of the trailer? The final title card says it is coming out in 2025.
If I have to get a brand new device just to play a new game that’s just annoying I’m hoping for a switch release and not a brand new device
do you think we might finally get az's floette in this game
Yo talk about how LT Surge likely served in the Gulf War? Considering the time period red and blue came out and Japan sent troops to the Gulf War.
Apparently the game takes place entirely in the city.
Edit: Ah, you know. Nevermind.
I noticed something, The talonflame at the beginning is a fletchling at the end. The title is Z-A, not A-Z. The Z looks modern while the A looks like a leaf. So we might start off in modern Kalos and then go back to old Kalos, before the renovation.
The Z looks like Zygarde and the A looks like the ultimate weapon.
So link between worlds or ocarina of time then. That would be interesting
@@Conorator I don't see why it can't be both
@@ConoratorI remember the ultimate weapon is what caused mega evolution or something. Like it created 2 universes where one has mega and one doesn’t. And there was a theory that mega and past paradox Pokémon is related in some way, supported by mega salamence and roaring moon having relatively similar designs. Megas are maybe the past forms of Pokémon being brought back or something. So it could be A(the ultimate weapons) causing something to do with the past.
@@kb_diff638 I wouldn't say that's a maybe. It's already been confirmed with the dex entry for Mega Aerodactyl.
This game is being made by GameFreaks secondary team who worked on B2W2, ORAS, USUM, LGPE, and Legends Arceus, with the last 3 coming out less than 5 years apart . When this game comes out it will have been almost 4 years since legends Arceus wrapped up development - making it the longest development time for a pokemon game in close to a decade. Given the B-team's track record I think it's fair to say this game has a shot at being beautiful..
Lets pray
OH? I mean music slaps but what about gameplay replayability? I agree that legends arceus is amazing but it felt more like a tech demo of what is possible.
Wait that's a REALLY GOOD track record, I wasn't really sure about this game but now I'm HYPED UP BABYYY!!!! (Also it got 2/4 games that I played legally-ORAS and USUM- so that's gotta be something)
@@zacktheprogamer7999well maybe it was the tech demo for this game. They saw that it was liked and agreed to go full on with this.
@zacktheprogamer7999 I have put over 200 hours into PLA, there is plenty of replayability.
A little detail to add about the "an ending into a new beginning" i noticed that we follow a Talonflame for a real short moment but a Fletchling flys over the city in the end
But good spot actually could actually be a super nice subtle hint about the front to back idea
A phoenix-esque theme
Hello, I’m a game dev (not for Nintendo just in general). So whole buildings don’t have to be actually rendered as a whole with open world games, that would take up a significant amount of processing power for any console . There’s many ways to go about it. But some of the tricks we use in the industry can be:
-having a cone of vision, where only the cone of vision that you’re seeing is being rendered, this has been used in games like GTA.
-In most games we also have higher and lower poly models, the closer you get the higher poly it gets, the further the lower poly, sometimes even being reduced down to a plane.
-Lastly another method I can think of is offloading certain faces of the model that are not in view, so like the back of a building can be offloaded until you can see it. This is obviously not every method, and these methods also have their limits.
Pokemon has used these methods in some sense, but I won’t speak on their success at doing so.
-In most games we also have higher and lower poly models, the closer you get the higher poly it gets, the further the lower poly, sometimes even being reduced down to a plane.
yeah.. nintendo is using this model all the time... besides the higher part :D
just learn from mihoyo
@@reqz16 thats more of a pokemon problem specifically😅
"Minus the natives."
I mean, we never heard about the Diamond or Pearl clans in modern-day Sinnoh...
Weıı the diamond and pearl clans weren't even native to hisui, the old verses mentioned that fact
Never before has the reaction image of AZ saying it's been 3000 years been so appropriate
more like 3000 days
@@aaiden_Bladeand counting
The redevelopment of Paris itself was a fight between past and future. A lot of people at the time hated it, not just for the displacement but also because it made people for the changes it made. With people being nostalgic for the old Paris. Although, the redevelopment did reduce illness (less overly crowded city)
It was genuinely a very good thing for them to do. The methods they used however...
@@Gnoggin What methods did they use?
@@mariustan9275 He mentioned some in the video. They tore down entire blocks of historical Paris, rendering many people homeless.
@@GustavoJua15 Yeah I can see why people would be pissed at that.
And that's also a great way to tie in zygarde
I have a theory that the name Z-A is a reference to the game being "backwards" (the alphabet normally is A-Z, but is Z-A), the game will start at the future, and go back to the past as the game advance, or maybe you'll alternate between future and past, tying to the time travel and paradox theme of S/V
Those silly Fr*nch “people,” the alphabet doesn’t go from Z-A!
Depending on how far back it goes, the ZA could also be a reference to AZ, and this cold potentially be the story of his ultimate weapon and the devastation it caused
Alternating between past and future could be interesting, and if it does happen, I imagine that you'll be playing the descendant in the future and the ancestor in the past. With you as the descendant learning more about your ancestor, which could possibly tie into learning about potential hidden places that hadn't been discovered in a long time.
It could also imply the end and the beginning like a post-war setting.
@@meatkirbo that's obvious, but I think that what we should be focusing more is, if so, why they named Z-A, instead of AZ? And why add the "-" between them? These two seem like the weirdest choices, thus the most significant ones, and more vital to decipher the game
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THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! As a history nerd, I'm so excited for the Haussmannian Pokemon game! Lumiose is by far my favorite city in Pokemon because it is the only city that really feels like a fully-fledged city. Seeing medieval style Lumiose turn into modern Lumiose would be awesome! And it would give opportunities for the sewer system, maybe even expansion on the power plant area. I'm so hyped!
Like Castelia city with the sewers in black and white, that city did feel like a city too with the people passing by and the sewers added on it, but yeah we could use a city with much more interesting things and places to explore.
I think Hau'oli was a great representation of Honolulu
You people are so stupid, it's not gonna be based on Hausmann, it's not gonna be hundreds of years ago. Even the sketches show a woman in a modern trainer outfit.
This will be in modern times and most likely set after XY.
I don't think I'm seeing enough people talking about the fact that Z-A is clearly something to do with Az, from X and Y. We really didn't learn a lot about him, and a legends game would be PERFECT for that.
I agree, it's clearly something with him.
I'm sure this got brought up but the hexagons in the icon are definitely related to Zygarde too :D
But his story and the war happened 3 thousand years ago, and I don't think anything exciting happened around him ever since, no way this game will be set 3 thousand years ago,
like I said in my comment:
A game centered around the time of AZ and the war would be great but that was 3 THOUSAND years ago, long before pokeballs were made and I don't see them making a game where we play as a human and don't use pokeballs.
@@RedRaikou well legends arceus had us travel back im time from the future. Could be similar. They can make it work.
Also, it connects with SV because AZ can stand for Area Zero.
I really hope we can encounter Eternal Flower Floette. Plus with the return of Mega Evolutions I hope some mons like Flygon or the Kalos starters have it too!
I hope they do the same thing they did in Legends: Arceus and use starters that ARENT from kalos & give them new regional/mega forms
Girl obviously we’re going to see new mega evolutions
All 4 being some of the Pokémon that deserved megas!
I hope Charizard doesn't get another Mega form, and Ash-Greninja never returns.
Okay hear me out on this: Eternal Flower Floette is a Paradox Pokemon.
Literally, the entire Fandom was that one guy in ATLA who was foaming at the mouth, and I'm here for it.
We were all really excited for Gholdengo in Pokemon Cafe 😊
Omg hoops reaction was legendary 😂😂😂
ATLA?
@@captainb4 it stands for: Avatar The Last Airbender
@@milestailsprowerarchiecomi1835thanks. I knew it Seemeilen familiar
Having everything take place in Lumiose City makes me wonder if Game Freak took a look at the issues of Scarlet and Violet’s large empty over worlds and decided to use Legends Z-A to do the opposite and create a more tightly focused environment.
My thoughts exactly, which makes me wonder how they are going to implement wild Pokemon encounters entirely within the city
I’m fairly sure this game is actually set around 1870, the tail end of the Haussmann redevelopment of Paris. Notably this is also the end of the reign of Napoleon III, the final emperor of France.
Having a story about the final king of Kalos would be an interesting way to take it
So.... does that mean we're gonna get a Lumiose Commune?
Wait so like latander ancestor in coming?!?!
He totally has an empoleon
We finally have Pokemon Z, after all these years.
The 2025 release would also mark 10 years since when we thought we'd get Pokemon Z lol (XY in 2013, ORAS in 2014, Z in 2015?)
Now we just need delta emerald
@@justinjyeung It's sort of poetic to see Pokemon Z all this time later.
The humans shown in the background are wearing very modern clothes like baseball caps and stuff.
You don’t and you never will, cope.
I assumed based on Legends that Poke Balls were actually invented in Poke Europe, since Laventon seems to have brought them to Hisui.
Genuinely wondering, Was that ever solidified? I remember in the earlier games they were invented in Johto, but then that got a bit retconned.
Wouldn't surprise me at all though, Europe brought a LOT of technology to Japan in the 17 and 1800s.
Isn’t there also a Pokeball factory in 2013 Kalos?
@@pokechatterthere is, though that doesn’t necessarily mean pokeballs are from Kalos
You know what this makes me think about? Where do the evil teams get their pokeballs in the games, like why would a pokemart sell to a rocket grunt
I think the appricorn pokeball and the pokeball brought from galar was mostly convergent in concept rather than one came from the other @@Gnoggin
Mega Evolution can finally do some justice to Flygon, Milotic and Froslass. Hoping the Kalos natives get one too; Florges, Aegislash, Goodra, Dragalge, Clawitzer, and of course the starters.
I do wonder if there will both be new Megas as well as new regional variants. Definitely not impossible for super forms and regional variants to co-exist if SwSh is anything to go by.
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilk imagine a new regional variant that gets a new evolution then mega on top of that. Imagine Ledian/Sunflora evolve one more time then the new evo mega evolves. Sign me up lol!
I hope xerneas has past form,and yveltal has modern form then zygarde have 20%,30%,40%,60%,70%,80% and 90% then AZ Floette is battle bond Floette like Ash Greninja
What about nidoking
It just sucks that we probably won’t be able to battle each other with them
I wonder if we'll be able to explore Kalos' version of the Paris catacombs. What if, during the reconstruction, they opened up the catacombs of the old city, releasing hords of wild Pokémon, including those long though to have gone extinct (regional variants/fakes).
Yo wtf thats actally a really cool idea to implement kalos variants of pokemon (if the map was confined to a large, more defined lumiose city)
As Above, So Pokélow.
Cofagrigus and Spiritomb could def have forms based on the catacombs
I mean, Zygarde is found underground in both XY and SM.
I 100% agree that the whole city that we are taken through is supposed to be a drawling of the plans made fancier. When I first was watching it it reminded me greatly of an AutoCAD drawing that your zooming in and out of.
I'm surprised you didn't at least offhandedly mention how Z-A could also be in reference to King AZ
I thought this was the most obvious
I thought that’s what the game was supposed to be called… Legends AZ (or A-Z).
I can already see a pretty obvious structure with the 5 segments of the city built arouns whatever those circles are. I imagine you complete a story segment in each area and everytime you finish a milestone more of the lumiose tower gets built.
Its surprising. Everyone was hinting at some kind of "Legends Celebi", and they come with pokemon Z after all these years. Im so happy, I love kalos
I mean that's what people were wanting to see a lot of the lore stuff in paldea points towards kalos being revisited like with the great crater the ruin pokémon and AZ's floette
@@theJennicat Yeah. Lets Hope the Game comes in a good technichal state. Its sad the last Legends game had bad graphics and was so limited. After sv I hope we get games with more quality, and Legends has great potential.
I’ve seen a lot of people saying the game will be bad because it takes place entirely in the city… and I can just *tell* that they’ve never been in a big city before.
It also tells that those people have never played a game that takes place in one city. Because there a quiet a few good games that take place in one city.
@@marlaneperkins8175yes but this is a pokemon game literally a game that encourages exploring open areas for stuff the game will literally flop if it’s only in lumiose a lot of people have said that’s a big turn off for them so if that’s the route they go this game will be the least selling game they ever made
Have you never been outside?@@GrimReaper_TTV
I wonder if this game will go into more detail about AZ & his Floette? I would love for more backstory & lore about him!
I mean, that would make sense
The flickering lights could be a reference or nod to the old-fashioned "horse in motion" project showing how the pictures are coming to life as the animation begins
Blueprints were on white paper dipped in light sensitive pigment. So when the diagram was put on top and exposed to sunlight most of the white paper would turn blue and the sections covered by the lines would stay white. They would wash out the uncured pigment so it wouldn’t turn pure blue next time it was put into the sun
2:00 The Ainu did not call Hokkaido Ezo as far as im aware, Ezo was the name for Hokkaido and Karafuto/Sakhalin by the Japanese before it was called Hokkaido. The Ainu called it something like Ainumosir.
When the pokemon company said the entire game would take place in lumiose, I think Lovkstin is right in thinking that the areas to catch wild pokemon in the game will be the outskirts of old lumiose which the city is trying to expand into
It wasn’t the pokemon company that said that it was Nintendo which don’t have any influence on the creation of the game
If they wanted they could also incorporate the Paris catacombs into the game as some sort of underground area, maybe that’s where you’ll catch pokemon not native to the city
There won’t be pokemon in the city the trailer tells us they wanna make it where pokemon and people can co exist in the city so there won’t be pokemon in the city when we play
My extremely far-out wish is that we continue with the protagonist from the last game (Rei/Akari) and professor Laventon touring the world in search of new pokemon. With the pair being drawn to Lumiose city for the equivalent of the 1889 Paris World’s Fair, and then being dragged into the Zygarde mess.
Or they’re attracted there *by* the Zygarde mess
I just find the idea of professor laventon geeking out over the redevelopment of lumiose and/or the inventions at the World’s Fair and dragging Rei/Akari with him to be hilarious!
Like the premise but why stick to the same protagonist of old Sinnoh
When you can get new protagonist.
@@AgnesBooth-zu7tw got the idea from Arlos 2024 predictions video, liked it alot
I'd prefer them just being tourist cameos but I also don't know if calem and serena or their ancestors will be back bc this can't be another arceus Isekai situation right?
This does honestly make a lot of sense when you think about it. Remember, most of the people in Jubilife that came there with Komado, came from Kalos. Komado's home region as indicated by his armor (identical to Wikstrom's armor, just different colors) So it would make sense to be a direct sequel to Legends: Arceus as you're now helping Komado bring peace back to his home region.
i would definitely love a cameo of the Arceus protags, especially since some characters look like they have a mix of Hisui and Kalos ancestry, but I want to see Calem and Serena again. I don't want them to be replaced in their own game/region 😅
The A is also the Greek symbol for lambda, two meanings. 1st means speech. Second means ratio as comparison to single unitary quantity.
I feel like the whole hologram part of the trailer was just kind of alluding to how Lumiose City currently is in the present. IIRC, the confidential papers did say this was a project to have people and Pokémon co-exist together, so I assume this project succeeded. I kinda hope now that Lumiose will slowly be built more and more as the story progresses and you make an effort to develop the city and assist the new residents
I also think pretty strongly it's referring to the redevelopment of Paris as that makes the most sense, but I also want to point out that in the sketch, there's a lady in a baseball hat. they were invented in 1860 but were used almost exclusively by and for baseball players and fans, until the 1960s when they became popular mainstream fashion. and as well, I personally got a sort of noire vibe from the papers. I know it's the plans and sketches for the town's blueprints, but they still kinda look like case files too, so I get the feeling it could be a detective noir plot where we're employed by a new looker-type character to go around the city (and it be the reason we don't LEAVE the city ever) solving mysteries until we uncover some big secret in the underbelly of the city using the legendaries.
All of the people in the blueprint have modern clothing and the Japanese tagline says something about a dream of peaceful cohabitation between humans and pokemon, so I think it's just representing the architect's vision of modern day xy lumiose city. Still totally possible to have looker like side quests! He could be a faller again or Emma carrying his legacy
@@anny8720 well, "modern" is subjective, and none of the clothes we see are so modern that they're unheard of in the 1860s to 1960s, neither of which I'd consider modern. they're just not like, regency garb and therefor aren't overtly obvious as the past. to me, we don't have to be in French Court in a big poofy dress and tall powdered wig for it to be the past, but I'm sure some would consider a game set in the 60s (living memory) to be a modern game.
and as for that tagline, that just makes me feel like it's that much older, as PLA represents the colonization of Ezo when it became Hokkaido in 1869, and people were terrified of pokemon and did their best to avoid them, with very few managing to control one or two. to dream of a peaceful cohabitation between humans and pokemon means that fear is still fairly common, which I don't think it would be by the 1960s when baseball hats became common fashion. but it would still be common that far across the world in 1853-1870 when Paris was rebuilt, and right smack in there is when baseball hats were invented, and the blazer (the jackets we see most of them wearing) was invented in 1837. I think the kid in the shot with the ball cap is a duffle coat which was invented the 1850s, but it could also be a peacoat invented in the 1800s. most of the rest of them are ether too far away or too nondescript to be identifiable, at least for me. but nothing screams modern or future to me imo.
and this being a rebuilding of Paris and Paris having an actual rebuild so that people could live safe and healthy lives is a little too obvious to me. I really can't imagine them picking Paris for this kind of plot but making it a totally different way in the future redesign that....also looks basically the same as the original, just more detailed bc it's the only map and on a stronger console. it can still be a "modern interpretation of the future of Kalos" to them, but be the past for us.
but if you can find something in that trailer that definitively dates it well past 1870 do let me know!
I think because of the Z through A it might be a dual story of half of the story in 1800s but because of some form of Pokémon logic you get transported to far in the future and get to see what you helped build.
Yeah no the trailer has told us it’s the urban redevelopment plan meaning it takes place only in the past
I think if like Hisui they give us a new set of starters it is very likely to be Snivy, Piplup and Torchic. Serperior and Empoleon are already explicitly French. The national bird of France is the rooster so Blaziken would fit well. (plus a trailer for indigo disk did show all the hisuian starters with these 3 starters so it could have been a hint).
So Kalos starter got fuckup again lol
Really nice theory but I just want the Kalos starters to have mega forms this time
@@shiruotakuno28 I think they still have a good chance of getting them.
@@anghainguyen9951 Why'd that comment sound so hilarious? lol
@anghainguyen9951 How?
The last legends game,we didn't receive the sinnoh starters and instead got different ones, so this might also be the case
It's actually better they're not starter since you could use all now
I hope you see this theory, but I know it's unlikely
I think the redevelopment plan is set after the Kalos war. Where the region was building itself back up after the ultimate weapon. Maybe Zygarde is involved because the weapon used it back then. Zygarde agreed with attacking the humans, but didn't realize it was being used to attack Pokémon as well. When it did, it left into a cave as a punishment for itself. Thus years of imbalance in like- every Pokémon game, and it would help GameFreak make a retcon that makes sense on why Zygarde is in that cave in the earlier games.
before I read this comment I commented the exact same thing minus the part about punishment for itself lmao
@@acoolgamez oh damn
I think you’re right. We could very well be restoring Lumiose after the ancient weapon is fired the first time
@@davyt0247we kinda have to be bc the weapon is what created megas and megas are in the game so that kinda confirms we’re playing after the weapon was fired
Based on the trailer, the likely construction of the lumiose we know over nature, and the fact of “whole game taking place in lumiose” from the Nintendo post I think we’ll get random encounters inside the town itself which is something I’ve wanted for a while.
Yeah people won’t like that bc then they can’t really create a team they put love into making and catching
quote of the year "natives removed as always" sounds so funny yet upsetting at once
5:30 At first I kinda imagined the Diamond and Pearl clans were the Hisui equivalent of Ezo/Hokkaido's native Ainu.
But I think the Celestica people are the most likely candidates
Also, my current hc for the urban works group in Lumiose is that it's called the "Nova Project" or sth. Cuz supernovas, they can give rise to stars. The logo looks a bit like a bursting star?
The sun is a star, and Team Flare is named after solar flares. A common theme of energy emissions..
Also, "re-nova-tion" ;)
"just a few years ago" - 2016.... That was... Almost 10 years ago
“Why are the French so good at removing the n?” Do you have something you want to say? 0:44
DAMN 💀
At one point, Paris didn't want any wildlife in the city at all. Nature was slowly reintroduced when King Louis made people see nature in a different way. In Legends: Arceus, people and pokemon live separate lives and are just barely coming together as partners. Legends: Z-A could be so rich in lore. It'll most likely focus on the point where Lumiose City goes from a concrete fortress meant to keep out hostile pokemon, to a modern mecca where people and pokemon live and work together in peace and harmony.
I think the redevelopment plan is perhaps for the invention of pokeballs specifically. As the trailer showed, the blue prints seemed very pokemon accessible, with wide roads and canals for water types. Perhaps the ability to have pokemon as closer partners with pokeballs spurred the Lumiose city government to redesign and expand the city for its new purpose to suit both people and pokemon?
Urban redevelopment plan is for lumiose as the Paris the country that jalosnis based off of went through the same yeah redevelopment in the past
“Pokémon Legends Z-A is based…”
Yeah, I sure hope it is.
I’m really confident it’s not taking place in the future. The trailer’s neon design to me just shows a blueprint come to life.
I also immediately felt like this project would be set in the past because it looked like modern day Lumiose was being planned out in the trailer.
im taking a class in college about paris past and present and we learn about the history of the city and linking it to pokemon is so cool especially right now!!
Also, about the rebuilding of Paris under Haussmann, it was, well, during the Second Empire.
A major difference between medieval and Haussmannian Paris is the width of the streets.
They were much narrower before, and that meant that during the revolutions that preceded, people could easily barricade them.
Napoleon III did not like that, so, just in case a revolution formed under his reign, he made barricades impossible, or at least much harder to do.
One thing I hear no one talking about is how you can't have something be a legend if it's in the future. The whole idea of a legend is a story in the past, a legend past down through generations not a tale in the future.
Kalos has a 3000 years old life-absorbing laser buried under it.
Holograms in the 1800's isn't that crazy.
I'm just waiting for the Kalos equivalent of the Sinnoh Underground. That could certainly flesh out the city space more.
not to mention make it heckin spooky
in Paris, the dead outnumber the living 3:1, after all...
I long for the pokécatacombs
Clearly Z-A will be a dungeon crawler. You delve into tunnels deep below Lumiose (based on the real life catacombs in paris) and look for resources to rebuild the city!
Cracked it.
I'm hoping and praying this game takes place in the future. Theyve said it's going to take place entirely in lumiose city, and i don't see a scenario where a industrial revolution lumiose is enough for a whole game. On the other hand i think a futuristic megacity utopia would be great, it could have diverse artificial ecosystems and a city large enough for a big game
I loved PLA, but I would love this game to be as original as PLA was, so I hope that they don’t do the same gameplay mechanics and do something entirely unique
6:34
That slight voice over edit caught me off guard lol
Smooth lol
13:05 "Today is the tomorrow of yesterday."
Over the past few games, Pokémon has done a lot of stuff dealing with past and future. I was thinking that one game was going to be more past focused with people talking about how things used to be (missing the good old days) and the other focusing on the future and people talking about what can/will be.
I know they have already done this, but it feels like an ongoing motif in this current Pokémon era. I feel like the transition from a sketch diagram to a futuristic 3d neon/cyber punk diagram was very intentional and not just a blueprint. They are making the lines glow and showing the Pokémon being rendered.
Also, if you look at the legends series as "a look at the past in order to make a better future," it makes even more sense
I disagree. With your last point. There is a reason that the game will be just lumiose. The goal is to practice and master city development. Then maybe they can put all 3 in one place for the switch 2. Urban has a lot less bloom, and they can’t possibly fit too many Pokémon in. In fact city’s are a lot easier to do this with than fields. Way more blocking, things that don’t need to be rendered until or unless you go into the alley. And they don’t change. This would also allow them to practice making walls that they can translate to mountains.
2:10 "Same thing as real history, at least the same idea - minus the natives, as always"
Except that it was a fairly major part of PLA's story that the Diamond and Pearl clans were the native inhabitants of Hisui, and while their leaders were interested in brokering cooperation between their clans and the incoming Survey Corps., many of their members were strongly skeptical or outright against it, especially among the older generations... how is "the tension between natives and colonizers is a major plot point" an example of "minus the natives, as always"?
One interesting thing that came to mind when thinking about starters, Pokemon, etc, is however unlikely it is - imagine if one of the 3 Starters isnt even from a game we have yet. They could hint at Gen 10 directly and just laugh at our confusion. It'd be as amazing as it is unfortunately unlikely
0:11 that felt like a Scott the woz joke in the best way
thought so too, also the first second of the video-
0:08 though
theory: this game takes place a few years after The Great Pokemon war (the one that was seemingly between Kalos and Paldea, judging from the Kalos's Ultimate Weapon and Paldea's Area Zero sharing the same crystal-heavy design). We're rebuilding their city after it's been destroyed by warfare and such. Plus, in Kalos, they say they built the Ultimate Weapon (something with roughly the same power as a NUKE and can ressurect Pokemon) 3,000 years ago... I don't think the timeline really matters too much-
I'm cautiously excited now. I don't love the idea of the entire game being set in Lumiose at all.
Yeah it's a neat idea that hasn't been tried, but the whole game? Part of the fun of remakes and PL:A was being able to see an old region through a new lens, not just one of the towns. Plus, Kalos literally only had one game, so why not take this chance to expand upon the whole region and not just Lumiose?
I think team flare would be villians trying to destroy plans since holograms are created by them
Showing the city in holograms still convinces me
I feel like the Diamond and Pearl clans were basically the Pokémon version of the Ezo natives
i think it's surprising you didn't mention AZ or his war/weapon at all, since the A in the title slightly resembles the weapon. With what you mentioned about the paris agreement, the redevelopment in the 1800s, and the founding of paris it makes me think this is a time travel game which is very intriguing to me
I'm really hoping it's future Kalos, not past Kalos. It's not just different from the mainline games, but also different from Legends Arceus.
part of me, hope the giant meteor mega stone thingy will be a big part of the story
XY just went: "look at this pretty stone"
I‘d love a Legends game in a modern setting. I‘m also a fan of Solarpunk aesthetics, so I‘m kinda hoping we’re looking at the futuristic option, you described.
It’s also kinda fitting how we‘re contemplating if this is gonna be past, or future-inspired, considering that’s what the theme of the last mainline-games was.
Will Lumiose city be accepting refugees from… uh… the Pokemon world equivalent from the middle east?
That would mean that they also colonized the equivalent of the Middle East then 🤔
Wild idea: What if it's both past AND future? Ocarina of Time style, you travel back and forth between old Kalos and future Kalos, start new building projects in the past and then travel to the future to see that work completed. Fruits of your labor, sort of speak. Anyone with me on this?
The problem with it being in the past is right there in the trailer. The pokemon are in the city. Even if this is after Hisui, they wouldn't befriend pokemon that fast to actually have them all around like that. And to say Hisui was just behind the times for being recently built doesn't fit, since most of the top people in the town were from other regions, and could tell the people pokemon aren't scary. No way Lumios is advanced enough to not fear pokemon when the other regions are all the opposite back then. Not to mention Furfrou being shown. Furfrou is a domesticated pokemon, especially with the different haircuts. This is definitely a later timeframe.
This means the rollerskates are likely making a comeback!! WOOOOOOOO
I suppose in our world, France did used to be called Gaul, but that was well before the Meiji restoration era. Given that Legends Arceus was set in a gen 4 region and officially a gen 8 game, it's notable that none of its regional variants or new evolutions were from the then-most recent gen, 8, nor of the gen that region originally came out, 4, nor the gen immediately preceding it, 3. And of the next-most recent gen, 7, there was only a single variant- a starter. All the starters were from different, non-consecutive gens. Also, since Mega evolutions were unofficially retired, none of the evolutionary lines Pokémon who had Mega form have received regional variants nor new evolutions- presumably because they'd then have to come up with a new Mega form and thus un-retire the mechanic.
Anyway, it's canon that the Mega evolutions were a thing in those gen 6 games but not before or since because they're set in an alternate universe apart from the main timeline due to AZ's actions, right? Making a Legends game for Kalos implies a return to the alternate timeline where Mega evolutions exist. And given that Paradox Pokémon introduced in gen 9, the most recent gen, and are Pokémon from an invalid timeline... that implies they're from an alternate universe... presumably the only canonically established alternate universe, _this_ one that gen 6 was set in... see where I'm going with this? Maybe the Paradox Pokémon will get actual names and evolutions, previous stages, maybe even variant Mega forms for Iron Thorns and Iron Valiant? And Hisuian forms were Pokémon that went extinct without leaving revivable fossils or require a now-expended evolution item or using an attack they lost the ability to learn by the time Diamond, Pearl and Platinum roll around, right? Works the same way for whatever regional variants and new evolutions we might get here?
Anyway, given the rules implicitly set by Arceus and regional variants/new evolutions thus far, I'd say we won't get any variants from Pokémon whose evolutionary lines were introduced in gens 5, 6, or 9, will only get a single starter from 8, its other two starters can't be from gens 1, 3 or 7- which then just leaves 4 and 2. My money's on Meganium, Empoleon, and Cinderace getting regional variants. Meganium because gen 2 starters are in most need of buffs, especially Meganium specifically. It has rather limited move pool, less-than stellar (meaning slightly sub-par) stat total, and kind of basic and borderline uninspired design. Empoleon is the most obvious considering it's an *Emperor* penguin based on Napoleon Bonaparte, I'd be genuinely shocked if the water starter were anything else. And Cinderace because... pretty sure France has several fairy tales and fables involving rabbits and it's the fire starter of the only generation left to take a starter from.
As for what else they'd have to fill out the roster for variants and/or new evolutions, the gens untouched by Legends Arceus are likely top of the list. I'd wager on Tropius, Luvdisk, Torkoal, Plusle & Minun, Seviper, Zangoose, Poochyena line, Kricketot line, and Crabrawler line.
Aside from them, gens 1 & 2 I think could/should get something are Kingler, Dewgong, Seeking, Parasect, Golduck, Hypno, Butterfree, Pineco line, Granbull, Sunflora, Aipom line, Azurill line, Bonsly line...
Sources of inspiration will most likely be countries that France has historically colonized and/or occupied, which includes (but is not limited to) Quebec Canada, Haiti, Dominican Republic, the Cajun middle chunk of the United states (Louisiana purchase), Egypt, Senegal, Morocco, Guinea, Madagascar, Cambodia, Algeria, _kind_ of Austria... etc. I'm sure there's no shortage of inspiration to draw from with all that. Legends games don't make new Pokémon, they exclusively make regional variants and new evolutions of existing Pokémon. Could draw from local wildlife, mythological lore, bits of pop culture and local sub-cultures, history... But let's make some predictions.
Egypt easily has the most potential. Ooh, what if we got some kind of Ra-inspired variant of Pidgeot? There are slightly more moon-themed Pokémon than there are Sun-themed, would be nice to balance that out a bit. Perhaps an Anubis-inspired Riolu line variant. A Tawaret-inspired Hippopotus line variant. Probably some kind of Nile reeds variant for a grass type, like Tangela or Lotad line.
Natu line is Native American inspired, where several tribes that occupied the chunk of the US that France owned, such as the Sioux and Cherokee tribes and I _think_ the Haudenosaunee? A Xatu variant seems likely. Ooh, what if we got a Dreamcatcher Pokémon, like a Comfey or Klefki variant? Or what if we got a Spinarak line variant or new evolution that spun Dreamcatchers? There's pitcher plants in the Bayou, so I'm hoping for a variant of Victreebel- which would be easily implemented as a branch evolution for Weepinbell since it's a stone evolution; I think a Cobra Lily would be good inspiration (even though that's from different region). While I'm at it, Konjac and Sundew-inspired variants for Vileplume and Bellossom variants respectively. Probably something Beauty & the Beast inspired, Cinderella, maybe Blue Beard?
France has a very remarkable history of gunsmiths and ballistic warfare, so can likely expect a Remoraid line variant, probably water/steel.
Given how popular Miraculous Ladybug has been I'd be genuinely shocked and very disappointed if they didn't create a new evolution for Ledian, and given that the villain is moth-themed we can probably expect something new for Venomoth by that same token. Peacocks are fashionable and relevant to Miraculous Ladybug... perhaps a Peacock variant for Spearow line?
As far as Pokémon from other succeeding regions that could fit into this one in their existing forms, Nikit line will likely come considering the legend of Renart the Fox. Perhaps Alolan Meowth line considering the significance of the Black cat in France. Alolan Rattata line may come up considering the Pixar film Ratatouille. Perhaps even Galarian Meowth line considering Puss in Boots. Maybe the Impadimp and Hatenna lines.
What can the rest of you think of? Comment below.
Haussmann's *Redevelopment* of Paris
1853 - 1870
Spiritomb was sealed around 500~ years before Modern (2007~09) Sinnoh.
Vessa/Spiritomb tells us the Seal was weakened after 200~ years during the Events of Legends: Arceus.
About the pokeball development I don't think it would have taken too long to get to Kalos because the Professor in PLA was originally from Galar so once the pokeballs were developed, the design for them could have been sent quite quickly back to Galar and in turn Kalos could have heard about them as well. Just a thought.
You guys are forgetting Clement built the tower on 2015
I’m hoping for a Zelda: Oracle of Ages style game where you’re constantly hopping between the past and present, and your actions in the past will change the future.
The biggest problem i have with the Tweet of the Nintendo of America of the game being based entirely only in Lumiose City, is the Diversity of the Pokemon that would be available in the game. I mean, it's not like you can catch Pokemons found in the Mountains and Sea of Kalos in just Lumiose City or it's nearby vicinity right.
Re Legends Arceus, are the Diamond and Pearl clans not intended stand-ins for the Ainu? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they exactly convey the reality of Japanese colonialism’s effect on indigenous Ainu culture, but I’m pretty sure that’s what they’re meant to be.
Further, the War that made AZ happened 300 years prior to XY, right? 2013-300=1713. What if the game takes place after the war, and the redevelopment is to rebuild Kalos post-conflict?
My bet is that the rest of the world has more advanced pokeballs and sinnoh is just late to the party for being more old fashioned
0:43 I mean to be fair, the song lies, they aren’t in Paris.
Personally it taking place entirely in the city is more evidence that it’s in the past. As you move away from the center of the city you’ll get more wild like areas probably with stronger Pokémon.
The switch has more than enough power to do a vastly more detailed open game world. The problem is Gamefreak needs to get it through it's head that it needs to start properly optimizing its productions.
Pokemon Z was always rumored to be the Black 2/White 2 of Pokemon X & Y, so taking place soon thereafter the events of X & Y, in modern day. There will almost certainly then be the traveling back to the past to experience the early days of Lumiose City, and perhaps some involvement with the scary mystery figure known as AZ from the X/Y storyline.
It's holograms because they don't exist in the game. It's what Lumiose will be, but isn't yet.
Its hard to decypher "galar script" in cursive but the company's name appears to be "Origin" as the two "x"s in the logo most closely resemble a character usually used in place of "i"s
Given that the logo appears twice in the trailer (once stamped onto the paper and once when it transitions into the CAD software) My guess is this will be our "galaxy team" if the game.
Might also be Quasar since there's a resemblance to the word in the text, but more significantly, the logo also looks like a Q stylized as a quasar
I am betting some Galar lore will leak in. This sort of idea of Eternatus wanting to stay in the past while Zygarde wishes to destroy it all in order to rebuild kind of thing
Traveling between past and future would be kinda fun
I mean it’s in the title right? It’s called a Legend for a reason, it has to be set in the past. If it was for the future, that’s a prophecy. Legends are from the past.
Feels like 2016 again with a Lockstin video about pokemon Z theories.
The website calls this a brave new idea for the franchise so ….it could be surprising
I thought it would be some remake this year, probably Jotho. But you know? Kalos kinda deserves it. XY where dragged though the dirt and it did not deserve it. In my way of seeing it, it could be something related to the present. Or an actual paradox, with past and future at the same time. I think since gen 8 was past, gen 10 should be the future, leaving gen 9 with either both (paradox pokemon) or none. Yes, I know legends usually means something that has happened. But it could be a legend about a prophecy that is yet to happen, having both past and future.
I can't believe you are sponsered by holzkern bro! I love that brand, what a coincidence!
To be fair Lockstin, maybe they don't have to develop the entire city, just parts and you have to travel between parts... so it'd be sandbox style open world (like Arceus and Super Mario Odyssey) which would be much easier to render.
In fact, one complaint people found about SV is that it rendered too much which caused so many issues....
He didn't talk a single bit about the Great War... it could very much be about recovering from the great war and zygarde being livid at humanity for participating in said war.
I would love if a lot of this game is also set in the catacombs. Maybe that's the only place you find ghost pokemon.