I really appreciate how Lilo is written. They wrote her as a problematic child bc that’s how a lot of children who have to deal with the trauma of losing their parents, especially as young as her, act. I love how they don’t write her as a nuisance, but as a child who’s gone through something really terrible and as a result acts different compared to the average child or the other girls in the movie. It isn’t just her being the quirky kid, and it isn’t the characters victimizing her too much or looking/acting w disgust around her bc of how she acts out.
@@Zeagods-CyberShadow yea and I love how the only characters who didn’t understand/treat her like a normal girl were the uptight girls w the tricycles (which due to their parents and age is actually really realistic), and at first the aliens (again, really realistic they are _literally_ aliens)
Can we talk about how David is the best boyfriend? Super nice to Lelo, helps Nani find a job, and doesn’t freak out about Stitch being an Alien. Heck, he helps them rebuild their house iirc.
@@DepravedCoTApologist I took him being in their photos at the end as implicit confirmation that they formally got together and he was more closely integrated into their new family unit once their situation calmed back down and they had actual structure/support via galactic protection.
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@Freesmart I guess Ralph Breaks the Internet might be the best cinematic disaster in terms of quality, considering how many cinematic disasters are even worse.
18:35 To be fair, I haven't seen the film in a while, but I think the lesson Tiana was supposed to learn was to not focus on achieving her dream to the unhealthy degree she displayed at the beginning of the movie. She was working so hard to raise the money, that she was: - Staying up late to the point of only getting seconds of sleep each morning (displayed during the time skip where she entered her room in her maid uniform and then had to get ready to work at the diner) - Constantly choosing work over hanging out with her friends (shown during her conversation with said friends) - Having to be convinced by Charlette (Tiana's closest and best friend) to take time off work and go to her ball, and even then Charlette had to give her a huge tip to make up for the money Tiana could potentially lose by not working. Her life hinged so much on achieving her dream, that when the guys said someone else bought the building she was gonna buy for her restaurant, she spiraled into a depression before her encounter with Naveen shifted her mind elsewhere.
Just wanted to say that I agree, so much. The whole point is that a dream job is not everything in life, and it certainly isn't worth working yourself to death for. Tiana definitely had a lesson to learn at the start of the movie.
Your comment needs to be higher up, listening to his rant about Tiana being a frog was the most irritating thing ever. Actually I've changed my mind, the entire PATF review was irritating
@@Liam_Phoenix nah, his criticism is completely valid Yeah Tiana did have a lesson to learn That doesn't mean it's not weird af that as soon as Disney makes a movie with black leads they spend 80% of the run time as frogs
Just saw the movie for the first time last week. Imo I don't think she had a lesson to learn. She literally needed the money to take care of herself and open her own restaurant. I can understand in hindsight that she focused a little too much on work to the point where she wouldn't hang out with people and enjoy herself, but given her situation, I don't blame her. I found it kinda realistic
He went from "I actually really liked chicken little as a kid" to "This is why kids shouldn't have opinions." And I have never felt so relatable in my life. 😂😂😂
Either way I still think that the part, where the animated animal characters are watching the real, live-action Indiana Jones in the movie theatre is just so randomly genius, that it cannot be topped.
Chicken Little is a kind of special memory for me, mainly because it was the first Disney movie I watched in a theater that I remember downright disliking lol
Fun fact about Lilo & Stitch. Aloha Oi is a song originally written by Hawaii's last Queen before the country was anexed, and it's basically her farwell to her country as she knew it before it was forcibly taken by an invading power. I find it incredibly powerful that they used it as a symbol of Nanis pain over her family being torn apart by agents of that very government. Especially for disney in the 2000's.
The only thing is that makes this song bitter is that she herself didn't experience Hawaii as an untouched country. It was told to her by her parents or grandparents who were the last few Hawaiians who knew what true Hawaiian language and culture was before the British and Americans. The song was a eulogy for a Hawaii she never knew.
*Fun Fact:* Treasure Planet's box office was so low because Disney, on a urge of dumbness, decided to put it on cinemas alongside Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.
That, on top of an almost nonexistent marketing for the movie. And the marketing we DID have was appalling. It's almost like the higher-ups WANTED this movie to flop
I almost feel like Disney sabotaged Treasure Planet. They kept dragging their feet on letting M+C make it and then released it in the shittiest possible weekend.
ok but the scene where people were saying Goob’s binder was cool and if he wanted to come over with him immediately going “they all hated me” is still one of the funniest scenes in any movie i’ve seen
I'm glad we got Lilo and Stitch at all honestly, but I'm so upset that they cut out that MASSIVE deleted scene of her scaring the tourists away from the beach just to punctuate how much she resents her home being treated like a vacation resort where she's basically seen as a photo opportunity just for being a native islander. That scene got so close to being finalized before it was cut too, literally only needing to be colored and cleaned up, it's such a shame because the only leftover from that concept is her taking pictures of tourists as a way of turning the tables on that disrespect. The movie doesn't give any context to her photos except to make it look like a quirky hobby instead of a calculated "see how you like it" revenge behavior. Then AGAIN when she's vengeful to her lil white friends predominantly taking up space in hula dancing school while going out of their way to other her and make her feel unwanted, the movie tries to make SURE white audiences can't pick up that maybe part of her frustration has to do with the other islanders trying to understand her trauma and grief, while Murtle just flat out calls her crazy to her face. The original uncut Lilo and Stitch was gonna be about how hard it is for a child to grapple with her culture being turned into theme park bullshit and it would have gone hard as hell.
As an islander, I really wish they didn't cut that scene out. It would have made the movie so much more impactful (not that it already isn't of course)
there was also another deleted scene that further explored how traumatized she was by her parents' death. basically, stitch fucks up by slapping away a fish (i believe to be the same fish she feeds sandwiches) and laughing when the fish gets eaten by seagulls, and lilo gets really mad at him and says "you must never let your family die!". this sentence means that lilo feels responsible for her parents' death bc she believes the fish she feeds sandwiches controls weather, and her parents died in a car accident caused by heavy rain. she must've forgotten to feed him that day, which made her believe he was upset and therefore made it. this movie could've gone so much harder, damn.
The thing with Tiana is that she and Naveen are at the far ends of the working mindset. Naveen is enjoying life but is also being incredibly lazy, while Tiana is overworking herself and so goal focused that she’s letting the joys of life go by. Their relationship is Tiana helping Naveen develop a work ethic and Naveen teaching Tiana that she can focus on her goals and enjoy life too. They help each other balance out.
IMO, they're the best Disney couple. They're bond is healthy and strong, they're willing to make sacrifices for each other, they learn a lesson from each other, they're just perfect together.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the whole point in princess and the frog was that Tiana *didn't* deserve to be turned into a frog, and that this collateral damage is what triggers Navine's character growth
Yea, you don't have to deserve something to have it happen to you, and it also doesn't mean you can't learn from it, she learned that you can't be happy from burning the candle at both ends, you have to have people you love, it's a good message
Lilo's parents died in a rainstorm and that's why she gives the sandwiches to Pudge (since he controls the weather). She doesn't want to lose Nani too.
Agreed and it has an excellent message. Louis makes several mistakes throughout the movie, but he only gets to become a famous scientist in the future by working through his mistakes until he corrects them. This movie is probably the main reason that I am currently 3 semesters away from becoming a Chemical Engineer, because when your homework is so hard that there are no Google results when you search for it, the only thing you can do is keep moving forward until you get it right.
@@rjcorreia3788 really, one of my only problems is that it's paced kind of weirdly, especially in the big final battle, but aside from that it's solid. I really love the message of how Lewis decides that meeting his mom probably won't solve everything, and really, it's up to him to make choices for his life. It's a pretty heartfelt movie that I think is underrated.
Honestly, Jon Silver and Jim Hawkins relationship has to be my favorite of any Disney movie, which is saying a lot. Simply because it's one of the few movies where the villain and the hero interact with each other positively. They help each other grow, despite the fact Jim, and the audience, already knows Silver is the villain. We're all told this fact when Jim's handed the map. Yet, throughout the movie, we watch as the two grow closer and become better people thanks to one another, all the while we know that it has to end eventually. Silver acting as a sort of father figure to Jim, who comes from a broken home, and helping him grow into a confident young man. Whereas Jim helps Silver realize that there's more to life than treasure, that it's good to appreciate the nonmaterial things. Their relationship is what makes Treasure Planet such a good movie for me.
Exactly. I get that shaff doesn’t like the rest of the movie but honestly it doesn’t bother me much. Just seeing silver and Jim interact makes up for everything and else :)
As a general rule I don't like Steampunk or Sci-fi. Treasure Planet is the exception. It did it so perfectly, it is a lot more victorian pirate than sci-fi and it handled it beautifully.
@@AlfonsoSRT its aesthetic is very steampunk and schaff has commented about how he loved the steampunkiness of it all 😂 (also there are hadestown "slime tutorials" *wink wink* on yt if you wanna see)
I like how there aren't really villains in Lilo and Stitch. They're just obstacles. Each of the antagonists, like agent Bubbles and the galactic space federation are just trying to do their job and want to seek the best for either Lilo or for the safety of the world. In the end, the villains just get a new perspective on Stitch and find to accept him as a part of Lilo's family
That's what I love the most about it, there's no classic villain. The tragedy Lilo and Nani got involved in, Stitch's problems to adapt, the lack of institutional help to broken families... those are the real villains
@@ridgepatterson7692 PLEASE why am i just now realising how amazing the music was in this movie. in general, the movie sucks but the soundtrack for it absolutely bangs
The brazillian dub with a weirdass translation of we're the champions is eternally printed into my brain so every time I listen to the actual song I think about it. What a disgrace
As a Native American, while I do agree with some of your points, Brother Bear is incredibly important to me. I’m Plains Cree/Métis and seeing the bit about the northern lights relating to our ancestors was a joy to see. Having some positive representation without it excusing MMIW or the genocide of our people/sexualizing our women it makes me happy.
@@horseyfacetheglorious No, yeah, I also feel that. I would love to have a movie where it focuses more on the the culture rather than just the animal aspects
I have never watched a youtube video about the movies I grew up with as a kid so I was not prepared for how unnecessarily angry hearing you rip them apart would make me
Yeah I suddenly realised that I watched most of these when they came out as a kid and a lot of the "loved it as a kid but it's pretty shit" and "thought it was ok but realise it's a masterpiece now" stuff is exactly how I felt. Maybe it's just a kid thing that some themes and stories don't seem as good to kids but hit harder as adults
If we are talking about disney 2000s movies from our childhood being talked about by tamatao i must give my two cents He was surprisingly nice towards home on the range
For me Treasure Planet is the peak of creativity. Taking an already existing story, a pirate story and puting it into space, but completely rewrite the laws of space, plus adding alien characters, sailships, with solar sails flying in the sky, and putting all of this into a steampunk setting is just brilliant.
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 And they did do that!! The visual concepts play into the story as well, from creating a whole new world to making a more modern story to fit the more modern aesthetic (at least, more modern than plain old Ye Olde England.) CinemaWins even made a joke about how the cannons on the ship actually served a purpose in taking down the exploding star bits.
@@yunseaweed they serve a purpose in details, like B.E.N.'s memory, the opening to the treasure room, etc. But there is nothing about it that really advances the story
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 Y'know what, fair. Any arguments I'd make would probably be grasping at straws lol. Actually, this whole conversation made me realize that Treasure Planet is just a Treasure Island Steampunk AU fanfic that RonJohn made. No wonder I love the movie so much.
Fun Fact: Atlantis actually is one of the reasons why I went into linguistics because the way Milo was able to decipher the Atlantic language impressed me so much as a child
@@dweeeebo Just three, I wanted to learn more at Uni but with you-know-what going around learning a language solely online isn't really appealing imo. But additional fun fact, I saw a lot of people saying that Atlantis was their reason for going into a linguistic field as well, so it seems that this movie influenced a whole lot of kids to develop a love for language!
TIMESTAMPS: 12) Dinosaur 1:12 11) Chicken Little 2:34 10) Brother Bear 5:04 9) Bolt 8:29 8) Home on the Range 10:36 7) Treasure Planet 11:59 [SQUARESPACE] 14:49 6) The Princess and the Frog 16:45 5) Meet the Robinsons 21:22 4) Fantasia 2000 23:35 3) The Emperor’s New Groove 25:31 2) Atlantis: The Lost Empire 26:54 1) Lilo and Stitch 29:06
If you watch his Disney Animation Ranking video, his new list: 12) Dinosaur 11) Chicken Little 10) Home on the Range 9) Bolt 8) Brother Bear 7) Treasure Planet 6) The Princess and the Frog 5) Meet the Robinsons 4) Fantasia 2000 3) The Emperor’s New Groove 2) Atlantis: The Lost Empire 1) Lilo and Stitch
I’ll never forget when Disney made a post about Chicken Little on their social media pages, and everyone bashed Buck Cluck. That was a highlight of 2020
@@IcyDiamond Reminds me of my dad (who is actually even worse, never having reformed but as the 2010s ended, he just chose to be even worse than ever).
"The aesthetic of treasure planet didnt make sense to me, i dont think the old timey setting meshed well with the furturistic tech" ah, so you never went through a streampunk phanse i see
This isn’t just your regular old cheesy steampunk though, it’s actually an extremely intricate, well thought out and researched, cohesive and creative take on the visual genre - probably the best one in my opinion. I don’t think you need to be a steampunk fan to appreciate this world, any fan of good world-building and aesthetics would enjoy it. I find it extremely bizarre that, for someone who consumes a lot of media, he didn’t even think it was decent. Truly one of those things which I think is objectively good, if not exceptional and a masterclass in world-building. Schafrillas is quite baffling to me sometimes to be honest.
Tiana was so focused on her dream that she lost sight of whats truly important, and that the people you share your dream with. She learns that its okay to slow down enjoy yourself, and take comfort in the people around you. This also ties into Naveen, who only enjoys himself, and needs to learn to work for those moments to mean anything.
There's actually a deleted segment of Lilo and Stitch that I think was a real shame to be omitted. In Lilo's room the walls are plastered with photographs of seemingly random people. This was actually explained to be due to the fact that tourists would take photos of Lilo in public because she's a "real hawaiian girl" (a scene specifically cut was a car full of tourists taking a photo of her in passing without consent). So in protest she takes candid photos of tourists and hangs them up on her wall. I guess the whole aspect was cut because Disney wasn't ready to tackle that kind of racism. Learning about it made Lilo and Stitch that much better to me. EDIT: I was actually reminded/informed about that car scene in the comments below, none of the drivers take a picture of Lilo, but ask her where the beach is. One of the drivers ask her if she speaks english. Soon after Lilo arrives on the beach and a tourist remarks that she is "a real native", and another takes a picture of her. I conflated the two events into one, please forgive my senile brain.
It also would've gone hand in hand with Nani's job at the luau. It really wasn't Hawaiian at all. It perpetuated stereotypes of Hawaiian culture that tourists believe, aka taking anything remotely Polynesian and calling it Hawaiian specifically. Nani's outfit, for example, is more Tahitian. David works as a fire performer, and that particular art is Tahitian as well. A Hawaiian luau doesn't look like that either. It's not a restaurant or a place, but a banquet or party. Nani calls her former boss a vampire, and I think they could've explored more how racist Nani's job actually was.
I don't remember it going like that. I recall that they were trying to get to the beach (dumbasses don't realize that Hawaii is literally a freaking island, just drive anywhere and you'll eventually find one), and there were some punks who asked Lilo if she could "Speak English", it was more showing the ignorance of the tourist rather than the whole picture thing. Unless there was another deleted scene I didn't get to see.
@Don't Take Life Seriously To me it is the other way around. Atlantis always felt for me like a Star Gate Ripp off and I don't really like the main characters in it. To me the movie has no heart. But Treasure Planet has a heart. I admit that the designs in Atlantis are just amazing, but that doesn't make up for its various flaws.
Putting treasure planet so low actually physically hurt me because I absolutely loved the movie as a kid and even now. I thought the movie was so ambitious and visually amazing, and I loved the idea of mixing the traditional old novel with futuristic space. I also felt really attached to Jim and was very surprised by the amazing arc John silver went through
I didn't get Schaff's point about Doppler and Amelia at all, both are major characters that drive the plot, especially Doppler. I was like, how does the movie "not use them at all"? Also their romance was sweet and well-developed. It felt like we had watched two separate films.
The scene in Lilo and Stitch after the fight and Mr. Bubbles is taking Lilo away, with Nani pleading, and Bubbles yelling, "Is this what she needs??" Literally gives me chills everytime
So.... we’re just not gonna talk about how Disney purposefully destroyed any chance Treasure Planet had at success just to make the writers sit down and obey (for lack of a better word)
Would all of you just get over it and stop complaining? It's not the end of the world. So what if it was a flop at the box office? Loads of people love it, and that should be more important than how much money it made. Besides, isn't a late release better than no release at all? And why do you people keep using the word "Disney?" When you say that, you're literally talking about God knows how many people working there. Do you honestly think every Disney worker sabotaged it? If so, that's a stupid and incorrect thought. It was only the people in charge who made it come out when it did. My point is: It was nearly 20 years ago, and it wasn't a crime against humanity. So let it go.
A lot of people say that Princess and the Frog is based on the old fairy tale of the frog prince, but it's loosely based on a book that's in turn loosely inspired by that story that's called the Frog Princess. In the original book the titular princess turned into a frog because a bracelet her aunt gave her to keep her from getting cursed had an unforeseen reaction with the curse that was on the prince (it was enchanted to turn any magic she got involved with back on the caster). And you're right, Charlotte and her father don't have any equivalents in the book, they probably were added for the reason you think.
That was really the main thing i think i disagred with schaff on really any of his lists while raymond is a bit naratively goofy I think theirs just something geunine about the way he acts and his sacrafice at the end of the movie actaully makes me sad. I think you get rid of him you lose too much of the heart of the film
Princess and the Frog is my favorite princess movie, so hearing what he said about it hurt in general. But the thing about Raymond? That hurt the worst 😔
Yes, Dr. Facilier’s death was very dark, even for Disney. In fact, Dr. Facilier’s death was one of the darkest ones in my opinion. Dr. Facilier’s was a great villain, and I like to watch the movie just to see Dr. Facilier. Dr. Facilier is one of my favorite Disney villains. Dr. Facilier
Also to point out that when the frog character broke the amulet thing, he wasn't reaching for her he went straight for the amulet and you could see how he was absolutely terrified
Fun fact about Atlantis's art style: the production designer was Mike Mignola, a comic artist and writer and creator of Hellboy, hence why it looks so comic-booky.
Yeah, like, have it so before putting him in the dog carrier thing, Calico hits Bolt with something that gets rid of his powers before dumping him out on the street. Then, have the movie play out like normal except Bolt and the gang are trying to get to Calico's hideout in Hollywood to rescue Penny before he ends the world or something. Have the aesop be that you don't need special abilities to do great things.
@@thegoodmudkip3652 Why didn't they just do that?! Like, the parts where he's discovering how real dogs act were the best parts, they wouldn't have lost anything.
I didn’t catch on as a kid, but now I understand why Lilo finds it so important to feed Pudge the fish. Lilo says Pudge controls the weather so she feeds him to keep him happy. Her parents died in an accident because of the stormy weather. She feeds Pudge so nobody else gets hurt because of the weather
In the original story idea the fish was even more important. Stitch killed Pudge because he was programmed to be a killing machine and when Lilo got sad he realized the importance of lives, that was the part where he understood the consequences of his actions and tried to change. But it was cut out for understandable reasons, they didn't want to portray Stitch as that bad because while olders would understand it kids would misunderstand it and hate him.
Originally, 'Bolt' (then 'American Dog') was something much more serious, but then Disney started to meddle with the film and eventually creator (!Chris Sanders!) just left the project (or was removed, doesn't matter), because it's no use to argue with Disney.
Everyone always talks about how much of an underrated classic Treasure Planet was, but rarely mention Atlantis. Atlantis was one of the first mainstream films to use a “dieselpunk” aesthetic, and was one of the best 2D/3D Disney films visually. Plus, the fact that the story is so mature, kinda feeds into what I call “The Iron Giant” problem, where the movie is too adult and ambitious with its story telling and messages, as well as being quite off brand than what people are used too, that the marketing department just doesn’t know what to do with it. I mean, even as a kid, that whole ending part with Rourke kinda messed me up
Atlantis was an experiment: Disney wanted to see if they could make an animated movie aimed at an older audience. It was intentionally darker and more ambitious than most of the others film, but because of this it didn't had an audience: many children were scared by it, the intended audience ignored it because they thought it was another kids cartoon with funny characters and catchy songs and Shrek and Tomb Raider wrecked it at the box office, attracting respectively the kids and the intended audience, leading to his obscurity.
Man as a kid I loved that they went so hard with how they killed Rourke. XD I loved dark stuff like that. And I still feel pretty much the same now haha
I don't care what anyone says, Bolt is a charming movie that warms my cold heart. There's a song with the lyrics "I may not see in color, but I sure can feel blue". C'mon. I say "You're my good boy" to my cat all the time now.
@@AquaTeenHungerForceIsGoated it isn't a masterpiece, but is better than what Shaffrillas said, but I don't think it is by a lage margin though. But anyways: it's good.
Sora was more supportive of Chicken Little than his dad ever was, even though he had never met him before summoning him for the first time. Let that sink in for a moment.
Bolt is still one of my favorite Disney films though. Reminded me of The Truman Show (1998) in a way. And yes, I loved the message about finding yourself.
I don't hate John Travolta, but I think Adam West would have delivered his lines a bit too powerful for an animated movie, especially one made in the 2000s. But besides that, it's never been one of my favorite Disney movies, and I could say it was on par with the mediocre Star Wars Sequel Trilogy (Last Jedi excluded, because it is the worst movie Disney has ever made).
Actually it would have just been better if they used Chris Sanders original 'american dog' concept, which being rejected by Disney was the reason he left for DreamWorks.
I think a fan's relationship with their father (especially a son's relationship) defines how each responds to Treasure Planet. That is why so many guys that grew up with that movie care about it so much because they see aspects of their own father-son relationship in it. I can recognize that it isn't overall as quality of a movie as many make it out to be, but it is personally meaningful to me and one of the few Disney movies of this era that really brings out deeper emotions from me, so I get why so many love it.
I never liked the whole "the dad's an idiot" trope that's been in every kids media since the 90s, but Chicken Little takes that to a whole new low by having the dad be the most unlikable character in a whole roster of unlikable characters.
I think the tiana thing can be explained like this...she becomes a frog so that she is pulled into the same position as the Prince guy, suddenly two people from totally different worlds in so many ways are suddenly on the same level and in the same bad position and they both learn something from each other, tiana learns to not let her dreams consume her to the point where she blocks everyone out and she loses herself and the Prince guy learns that he doesn’t have to be so trapped in his ways by depending on others for his success and that some hard work can give him the life he wants. They Balance each other out, tiana starts as a workaholic to the point where she risks losing the whole point of her dream (that being family and interaction) and the Prince starts as a douch who always depends on others to guide him through life as he’s never rlly worked for anything but buy the end tiana learns that having fun and interacting with the same people she wants to bring together will help her achieve her goals ams the Prince takes on the responsibility of himself and his own dreams and even more so he learns that being able to help himself and help someone he loves is all he needs...the kissing thing still doesn’t make sense tho
when me and my mom were watching the movie, we actually did make some sense out of the whole “tiana kisses naveen and turns into a frog (somehow)” thing. basically, she was always taught about independence and having to work to earn things as a kid by her father, and handsome prince man who is now a frog comes to her one day and says that instead of putting in the extra effort, he can just buy her the restaurant she so desperately wants. so, she reluctantly agrees because it had been her lifelong goal for pretty much the entirety of her existence since her dad passed, kisses him, and boom, is now a frog! this didn’t make sense to most people as tiana is virtually the complete opposite of naveen: hard-working and independent, humble, etc, but when you think about it in a deeper sense, it kinda does. independence was one of the biggest values in her life, so just agreeing to let naveen buy the restaurant for her kinda contradicts the whole meaning of that. that isn’t to say she didn’t work hard, because she most certainly did, but yeah i guess her transforming into a frog did make a little sense
I always assumed she turned into a frog cuz it wasn't supposed to happen at that moment. almost like it backfired. Like, Naveen was supposed to kiss a princess. Tiana was not a princess until the end CUZ she *married* Naveen and fell in love with him. the beginning was just an ol' quick peck. I thought maybe it woulda happened to anyone he kissed.
while this all checks out story-wise, it's still missing the point. the point was mostly to question why this character arc couldn't have happened without turning the first black disney princess into a frog for the majority of her film, and additionally questioning why this means of character development is only chosen for characters who aren't white. the individual in-universe justification doesn't matter because it doesn't engage with the real-life implications of portraying people of color as animals, which is the whole reason it's being pointed out in the first place.
@@juiceecads3894 tbh…I see it as just a coincidence OR perhaps these characters on these types of stories usually go hand in hand with life lessons linked to kinda advanced topics or places in history. Tiana lives in New Orleans and aspires to be something more but is kept in place due to her background and ppls lack of expectations same for most characters similar to her. So turning that character into an animal is usually done to introduce entirely bigger and more drastic challenges but they’re acc easier to understand. Turning someone into an animal has always been done to not simplify the character but the surroundings, the settings and the struggles they’d face as a human and acc focussed in on the characters. Making their motivations more clear. Giving them a set goal (to become human again) of which by the end they learn the lessons needed to achieve what they’re original plan was before they became a creature. It’s a pretty simple story tool and used nearly everywhere just in different ways and I think since these movies are ultimately for kids it’s probably better that way. Besides without the whole issue of the movie the acc base story line would be bland or would have ended way sooner. At the start of the film she essentially works for and gets her goal but the door is shut in her face. Without that event to launch character progression the movie is done at the finish line. Plus, it’s based off princes on the frog so they kinda had the big thing right there in their faces.
I remember watching Meet the Robinsons as a kid and whenever I remembered it I was pretty sure it was a fever dream. Now you’ve reminded me it was a actual thing.
Eh I can respect his reasons. It's my favourite but hey, variety spice and all that. Plus Atlantis is in it's rightful place, and I don't even disagree that L&S is the *best* movie. All is good.
Treasure planet is one of my all time favorites, right up there with robots tied for my top animated movies of all time. I had a cat named morph bc he was such a slinky fella, that movie is just so beautifully whimsical, and has the dad figure making changes to be a better mentor, which I feel very closely to home with my own dad, it just is a beautiful movie that can jerk the tears even after watching it enough to rewrite the script word for word
*Fun Fact:* Originally, Chicken Little was going to be a coming-of-age story with the protagonist being a girl. No aliens included. This is the story about a small yellow chick who suffered from paranoia which caused several panic outbreaks in her hometown. Not only becomes a freak to the town, but also upsets her father who wanted her to improve as a better person (and have the mother being alive as well). In order to give confidence, she was sent to a summer school called Camp-Yes-You-Can where she met her friends like in the final product but with Ugly Duckling being a boy. The sheep who ran the camp turned out to be wolves in disguise who were planning to eat all the students. Now, it is up to Chicken Little to confront her fears and save the day. The scrapped version of Chicken Little could've been great in the final product but too bad Disney can't accept that.
And I heard that they made Chicken little instead of My peoples/a few good ghosts/once in a blue moon/Elgin's peoples/Angel and her no good sister ( this unfinished project had multiple names, but ended up having none of them ).
It's worth noting that Naveen's character arc wasn't really that he was egotistical and needed to be brought down a peg (though it was a flaw of his), it was moreso that he was privileged and lazy, a total contrast to Tiana's fixation on her goal to the point of overworking herself. They're both opposite extremes (which makes total sense given their lives), and on their adventure they both have a positive impact on balancing each other out; Tiana teaches Naveen responsibility and gives him a good work ethic, while Naveen helps Tiana loosen up and appreciate the connections in her life. And then as Mama Odie said all they needed was love to be happy, it was literally all they needed to turn human. Not trying to defend the weird, overused trend of Disney turning most of their POC leads into animals (disproportionately to their many, many white movies anyway), just trying to defend The Princess and the Frog's great story and amazing lead characters. EDIT: I also feel like I should add that, since a lot of other people talking about this don't really regard the nuance here, Tiana turning into a frog doesn't mean she "deserved" it for any character flaw; if the movie saw her determination to get her restaurant as a bad thing, she wouldn't have still gotten it at the end. She's like the Pacha/Belle of the duo, the sympathetic hero who's forced into this situation by the jerk, but also learns a thing or two herself on the journey and her developing relationship with the other character. OTHER EDIT: Modified my statement about the animal thing because a lot of replies are either missing the point or taking it in bad faith. I never said it undermined the rest of the representation in the films themselves, it's more of a gross marketing issue from the disney higher ups.
How did they exactly bring the trend back with Soul, when half of the movie we got to see Joe, his friends, family, and coworkers in the human world? 99% of them are POC/non-white
But soul is from Pixar? I know Pixar is under Disney but Disney have no control over how Pixar makes their movies, not to mention the 50% of the movie involves Joe in his daily life with other POC characters All this is coming from a POC, but we all have our views and I completely respect yours and do agree to your opinion to some degree
@@sunhopii8534 Yeah, I mean I'm in no right to really say anything more about the topic than what I've heard from other POC who've been bothered by it. The real issue is that when there's been little representation by Disney overall, it's a little sus that most of them can't keep their POC leads as they are for most of the film (whether or not it's also been done in a few of their many, many white movies), and Disney (the corporation) absolutely has control over that in their animated movies, Pixar included. I personally think the real solution is to make more POC led movies than just the few that take part in the trope, but that wasn't the point of my original comment
@@jodran5228 well if anything, it’s really dumb to talk about this “trend” with soul because that was a beautiful plot device and metaphor that was really needed In The story
@@windwaker0rules Megamind? Lilo and stitch? Atlantis? Shrek 2? How to train your dragon? Those aren't musicals, nor just comedies. And he considers them masterpieces.
@@drobnoxius9483 Fortunately no. The MAP Pride Flag is in a pattern of (from top to bottom): Blue, lighter blue, yellow, white, yellow, light pink, and Pink. I don't know what FrogPrinceKT's pride flag exactly is though, but so far as i've heard, it's nothing harmful. Still don't get why those pedophiles had to make their flag seem so similar to the Trans Pride Flag, it can genuinely confuse some people and honestly, i fucking hate it.
Video Timestamps 1:11 12: Dinosaur 2:33 11: Chicken Little 5:03 10: Brother Bear 8:28 9: Bolt 10:35 8: Home On The Range 11:58 7: Treasure Planet 16:45 6: Princess And The Frog 21:22 5: Meet The Robinsons 23:35 4: Fantasia 2000 25:30 3: The Emperor’s New Groove 26:54 2: Atlantis: The Lost Empire 29:05 1: Lilo And Stitch
"This is why kids shouldn't have opinions." 😂😂 when I was in third grade my classmates thought Chicken Little was an Oscar deserving masterpiece and I never understood the hype.
Treasure Planet is the only Disney movie where the main character was abandoned by one of his parents, which is honestly way more relatable than having dead parents. I wish Disney, or even Pixar, revisits this idea in the future. Also, give us more father figures in animated movies, they are great.
Princess and the Frog will always be my favorite princess disney movie and one of my favorite movies of all time. I am so endeared to all of the characters. Louis the alligator is one of my favorite characters under the "They have a dream and they get it but they're a side character." trope. Naveen has one of my favorites arcs in a disney movie simply because it handles it well and gives it time. Tiana is so amazing to watch and I always feel like I want her to succeed. For me personally, easy 10/10
My mother used to work as a social worker and she absolutely refuses to watch Lilo & stitch solely because of the sister plot line. Apparently the uncomfortable authenticity is also present in how the social worker handled the situation throughout the movie. Apparently the catharsis and feeling of justice when a minor is rescued from someone who is maliciously neglectful or otherwise dangerous, is dwarfed by the feeling of absolute heartbreak and dread when a child needs to be taken from someone who genuinely tried their best but simply couldn't cut it.
@@tbotalpha8133 That’s the point. That was Ron and Jon’s vision and they succeeded if a little too well but still. And as someone without a father this has grown into one of my favorite movies
The 2000s may not have been the best decade for Disney, but it's probably my favorite decade from them. I like the way they experimented in their animated movies and it's honestly more enjoyable to watch than the Renaissance or the 2010s.
For the Tiana thing, she needed her to relax. She was so focused on everything else without accepting a lot of help from everyone else. She needed to learn that she was not on her own, and to be happy about the little things and what else is important, not to waste her life working. I dont know why but it clicked for me. I think its one of the best animated 2d films they ever made, with rolling down the byou and the madegra being great. All the songs I liked and Ray was better for me. I am glad they did not do a fake out death here and Tiana is my favorite Disney princess.
Thank you! People miss the point. The movie wasn't criticizing Tiana's work ethic, it was criticizing Tiana's tunnel vision in reaching her goals that she doesn't slow down to enjoy the little things in life, which are just as important. Both this movie and Soul handle this very well. Tiana is my favorite princess not only because I relate to her, but also because I too sometimes forget to enjoy the little things in life.
Yesssss. It's RELEVANT, especially with young women of color being forced to "prove" themselves in this world. We don't always need to be workaholics to reach our goals. There is time for work AND love, family, happiness. Ambition AND relaxation. ^^
Actually, outside of the WDAS films of the mid-2000s (I think we know what they are), the Experimental Era is lowkey a continuation of the Disney Renaissance Era (though I could understand why it’s highkey considered the Second Dark Age, because while most of its movies like Fantasia 2000, The Emperor’s New Groove, Atlantis, Lilo and Stitch, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Meet the Robinsons and even Bolt are successes in terms of their quality, only a few films of the era were successes at the box office like Dinosaur, Lilo and Stitch, Brother Bear despite its low-ass budget, Chicken Little and Bolt to a bare extent).
You know that Lilo and Stitch is amazing when they basically use Stitch as their secondary mascot behind Mickey at the parks Holy Crap 1000 Likes Thank you so much!! That’s the most I’ve ever gotten
I actually can belive that Facilier programmed the curse to turn Tiana into a frog. The Frog Prince is a story that exists in that universe, Facilier is the kind of guy who would know about it and try to prevent it
@@rocket2995 Yeah but it's a frog that can still talk, and if the prince knows the story as well he will obviously try to kiss someone like he did in the movie
It's more likely just the rules of magic in general. Their first kiss wasn't a kiss of true love and the woman giving the kiss wasn't a princess in any legal or traditional sense of the term, so the curse didn't break, but spread instead. They try to find a legal loophole (parade princess is a princess in a sense) but miss the timing; since there's no malice or selfishness by this point, the curse doesn't spread. Then on the wedding, Naveen and Tiana truly love each other (it's _true love's kiss_ that's more important than being a prince or princess per se in most Disney fairy tales) _and_ since Naveen is still a prince, in the instant of a legally binding wedding his wife is a princess. So now it's a legal princess and a kiss of true love, finally breaking the curse for both of them, just as they were willing to live with the curse for the rest of their lives.
I really do love the fact that more recently Atlantis has been getting this cult classic status fandom wise, because from the first time i saw it, to today it is still my favorite disney movie.
OMG yes! This movie is so beautiful and I truly love this movie with all my heart! "Little Wonders" is a Disney song I love so much and it breaks my heart how many people don't even know this movie exists...
If I had a nickel for every time Disney made a movie where the main character turns into a bear, hates it, but then ends up deciding to stay a bear in the end, I'd gave two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
@@TheJetpack67red pandas aren't bears btw! And Mei never really hated being a panda, she was just scared at first because she wasn't expecting to become one Edit: sorry if I seem rude btw :(
I'm admittedly disappointed Bolt isn't higher, but except for Fantasia 2000 I wouldn't put it any higher than any of the movies above it besides Home on the Range. It's up against a number of really good movies anyway that it appearing so low on such a short list I think was partly to be expected.
As someone who is native American and an animation major, I might be a little biased but I loved Brother Bear as a kid and even now. But I do agree with most of your points. While the animation is beautiful and the beginning is good, the fact of it being a kids film causes it to fumble a bit. I think as a kid, I was just so happy to see "good" representation that didn't sexualize or demonize the natives
Way better than Pocahontas with a literal song called “Savages” :) and a depiction of the real world awful relationship between John and Pocahontas :) which is For Some Reason played completely straight and not like the atrocities they deserve to be remembered for :)))))
@@aurea. well if you desire to see yourself in media that's because of your ego. I don't need to see Irishmen in media to feel connected to the story. Hell I've never cared about seeing my skin color in a movie. Never watched an all black movie and thought to myself "where the hell is the white guy".
18:36 Tiana actually had a "reason" for becoming a frog, and in fact it was that she "worked" too hard and was very obsessed with the "working" part of making a dream come true. Through the journey, and also through what Mama Odie wanted to point out to her (but she didn't understand), she learns not to be so obsessed with hard work and listening to her own self (digging a little deeper hehe), because everything she needed and what was more important she already had: love (as she states for Dr. Facilier). That was the point of her turning into a frog.
when someone says whats the best disney movie in the 2000's decade if they say anything other then lilo and stich they are wrong...it made me feel...no other film they made on their own did that...which is why frozen is so beloved..people love feeling...pixar nails it..dreakworks too..90's disney got it...2000's disney was about wacky randomness and petty drama..where's the earned feels?
@@KatsuImagitian that was like 2 days and a morning before they became human again. And the Mardi Gras was finishing! It's very disturbing that no one noticed Tiana wasn't at work or at home
@@EngineerRiff they kept milking the creators for other movies before letting them finally make the one they wanted to make, and then it released with bad timing around the same time as Spider-Man, Harry Potter 2, and the Scooby Doo movie so it probably got overshadowed
I love Schaff but every single thing he said in that Princess and the Frog segment that was a garbage take. Literally every sentence was bullshit, from the “durr only POC get turned into animals” (Beauty and the Beast, Sword in the Stone, Brave...) to “Ray sucks”
I still remember a while ago when the 'official' Chicken Little Wiki was edited to the point where Buck's entire page was pretty much converted to manga lore.
Buck was born from the corpse of his lynched mother underneath a hanging tree, lying in a mire of blood and afterbirth. A mercenary group lead by a man named Gambino eventually happened upon the grisly site, presuming the infant to be dead. When the baby began wailing, to the surprise of the mercenaries, an acquaintance of Gambino's, Shisu, immediately took to the child and came to his aid. Gambino allowed the woman to keep Buck for her own personal consolation, despite the circumstances of Bucks' birth being considered ominous by his cohorts. Three years later, Bucks' surrogate mother contracted the plague, dying as he watched on and held her hand in the final moments.
I really appreciate how Lilo is written. They wrote her as a problematic child bc that’s how a lot of children who have to deal with the trauma of losing their parents, especially as young as her, act. I love how they don’t write her as a nuisance, but as a child who’s gone through something really terrible and as a result acts different compared to the average child or the other girls in the movie. It isn’t just her being the quirky kid, and it isn’t the characters victimizing her too much or looking/acting w disgust around her bc of how she acts out.
Yeah like as a kid and as an adult it felt so uncomfortebly real
@@Zeagods-CyberShadow yea and I love how the only characters who didn’t understand/treat her like a normal girl were the uptight girls w the tricycles (which due to their parents and age is actually really realistic), and at first the aliens (again, really realistic they are _literally_ aliens)
29:38 Lilu?
@the hevy What are you talking abt lmao
Yeah that’s why I really like her, she has growth but still has a personality that’s more than wonder bread.
Can we talk about how David is the best boyfriend? Super nice to Lelo, helps Nani find a job, and doesn’t freak out about Stitch being an Alien. Heck, he helps them rebuild their house iirc.
The fact that Nani never reciprocated that love to him (albeit I understand she had a lot on her plate at that point) bugged me so much
@@DepravedCoTApologist nah, he was just down bad
@@DepravedCoTApologist I took him being in their photos at the end as implicit confirmation that they formally got together and he was more closely integrated into their new family unit once their situation calmed back down and they had actual structure/support via galactic protection.
Man has good taste in women as well, just saying.
He’s a true CHAD because of that!
I love how your ranking system has essentially become, "Is this movie better or worse than Ralph Breaks the Internet?"
Next video: Why Chicken Little is worse than Ralph Breaks the Internet
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@Freesmart I guess Ralph Breaks the Internet might be the best cinematic disaster in terms of quality, considering how many cinematic disasters are even worse.
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I mean that’s not a very high bar to surpass.
Every movie in this list beats "worse than Emoji movie" though...
18:35 To be fair, I haven't seen the film in a while, but I think the lesson Tiana was supposed to learn was to not focus on achieving her dream to the unhealthy degree she displayed at the beginning of the movie. She was working so hard to raise the money, that she was:
- Staying up late to the point of only getting seconds of sleep each morning (displayed during the time skip where she entered her room in her maid uniform and then had to get ready to work at the diner)
- Constantly choosing work over hanging out with her friends (shown during her conversation with said friends)
- Having to be convinced by Charlette (Tiana's closest and best friend) to take time off work and go to her ball, and even then Charlette had to give her a huge tip to make up for the money Tiana could potentially lose by not working.
Her life hinged so much on achieving her dream, that when the guys said someone else bought the building she was gonna buy for her restaurant, she spiraled into a depression before her encounter with Naveen shifted her mind elsewhere.
Just wanted to say that I agree, so much. The whole point is that a dream job is not everything in life, and it certainly isn't worth working yourself to death for. Tiana definitely had a lesson to learn at the start of the movie.
Your comment needs to be higher up, listening to his rant about Tiana being a frog was the most irritating thing ever. Actually I've changed my mind, the entire PATF review was irritating
@@Liam_Phoenix nah, his criticism is completely valid
Yeah Tiana did have a lesson to learn
That doesn't mean it's not weird af that as soon as Disney makes a movie with black leads they spend 80% of the run time as frogs
Just saw the movie for the first time last week. Imo I don't think she had a lesson to learn. She literally needed the money to take care of herself and open her own restaurant. I can understand in hindsight that she focused a little too much on work to the point where she wouldn't hang out with people and enjoy herself, but given her situation, I don't blame her. I found it kinda realistic
@@azurabbit12 he has no point, if it was a white character turning into a frog you wouldn’t give 2 shits
Bowler hat guy is such a great character, he reminds me a lot of Dr. Doofenshmirtz and that’s a compliment.
How could it not be. Anything that reminds you of Doof is a good thing
What about waluigi?
@@professorpine7374 yeah he’s like if Waluigi stole Cappy from Mario
i love him too. his motivations are so ridiculous and stupid, i just love it so much
*AND WALUIGI!*
He went from "I actually really liked chicken little as a kid" to "This is why kids shouldn't have opinions." And I have never felt so relatable in my life. 😂😂😂
Either way I still think that the part, where the animated animal characters are watching the real, live-action Indiana Jones in the movie theatre is just so randomly genius, that it cannot be topped.
Agreed.
Chicken Little is a kind of special memory for me, mainly because it was the first Disney movie I watched in a theater that I remember downright disliking lol
it's flashy and engaging enough to keep a child entertained, I def thought it was good when i saw it as a kid too xD
After that movie I wanted some chicken
The 2000s, when every animation studio wanted to be Disney except for Disney
Accurate-
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Good way to sum it up
Makes sense
Damn Disney, you need some ice for that burn?
Fun fact about Lilo & Stitch. Aloha Oi is a song originally written by Hawaii's last Queen before the country was anexed, and it's basically her farwell to her country as she knew it before it was forcibly taken by an invading power. I find it incredibly powerful that they used it as a symbol of Nanis pain over her family being torn apart by agents of that very government. Especially for disney in the 2000's.
The only thing is that makes this song bitter is that she herself didn't experience Hawaii as an untouched country. It was told to her by her parents or grandparents who were the last few Hawaiians who knew what true Hawaiian language and culture was before the British and Americans. The song was a eulogy for a Hawaii she never knew.
This physically hurt to read, Jesus Christ.
@@ethanotoroculus1060 Eh, it happened all the time
@@EssexAggiegrad2011 You say that as if that makes it even slightly better.
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*Fun Fact:* Treasure Planet's box office was so low because Disney, on a urge of dumbness, decided to put it on cinemas alongside Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.
That, on top of an almost nonexistent marketing for the movie. And the marketing we DID have was appalling. It's almost like the higher-ups WANTED this movie to flop
I almost feel like Disney sabotaged Treasure Planet. They kept dragging their feet on letting M+C make it and then released it in the shittiest possible weekend.
They released a summer movie in the winter. Treasure Planet was too expensive to make and Disney needed a reason to never make a movie like it again.
It wasn't a dumb move. They purposefully wanted to kill their 2D animation studios.
*Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets!
Sorry, I had to as a Harry Potter fanboy
ok but the scene where people were saying Goob’s binder was cool and if he wanted to come over with him immediately going “they all hated me” is still one of the funniest scenes in any movie i’ve seen
This is news to you he is freaking hysterical
14 year old "depressed" white girls be like
@@matheusmariani3108 putting the word “white” in front of ur misogynistic phrase doesn’t make it any less misogynistic
@@elasticdancer it isnt though
@@albinobama5744 ehh pretty much is if the op is white themselves
I honestly didn’t know that this many still images of Tamatoa even existed
I mean it’s animation, it’s basically a bunch of still images moving fast to simulate movement
@Keighen Snavely that sounds like something crazy he’d do in his free time imo
Tamatoa hasn't always been that way... He was a sad little single picture once...
@@ragezgaming5034 😂😂😂
Well, just pause the movie at certain points and crop the images!
I'm glad we got Lilo and Stitch at all honestly, but I'm so upset that they cut out that MASSIVE deleted scene of her scaring the tourists away from the beach just to punctuate how much she resents her home being treated like a vacation resort where she's basically seen as a photo opportunity just for being a native islander.
That scene got so close to being finalized before it was cut too, literally only needing to be colored and cleaned up, it's such a shame because the only leftover from that concept is her taking pictures of tourists as a way of turning the tables on that disrespect. The movie doesn't give any context to her photos except to make it look like a quirky hobby instead of a calculated "see how you like it" revenge behavior.
Then AGAIN when she's vengeful to her lil white friends predominantly taking up space in hula dancing school while going out of their way to other her and make her feel unwanted, the movie tries to make SURE white audiences can't pick up that maybe part of her frustration has to do with the other islanders trying to understand her trauma and grief, while Murtle just flat out calls her crazy to her face.
The original uncut Lilo and Stitch was gonna be about how hard it is for a child to grapple with her culture being turned into theme park bullshit and it would have gone hard as hell.
Holy moly I never knew that! That would make the film like, a million times better. Explains so many things and also so RELEVANT!
As an islander, I really wish they didn't cut that scene out. It would have made the movie so much more impactful (not that it already isn't of course)
sounds like a racist thing and glad they cut it.
I wish they kept the scene. Maybe it'd would've changed even a little bit how bad the economy and how the natives ate being treated now.
there was also another deleted scene that further explored how traumatized she was by her parents' death. basically, stitch fucks up by slapping away a fish (i believe to be the same fish she feeds sandwiches) and laughing when the fish gets eaten by seagulls, and lilo gets really mad at him and says "you must never let your family die!".
this sentence means that lilo feels responsible for her parents' death bc she believes the fish she feeds sandwiches controls weather, and her parents died in a car accident caused by heavy rain. she must've forgotten to feed him that day, which made her believe he was upset and therefore made it.
this movie could've gone so much harder, damn.
Nani was on track to be a pro surfer before their parents died and she had to drop everything to raise Lilo
The thing with Tiana is that she and Naveen are at the far ends of the working mindset. Naveen is enjoying life but is also being incredibly lazy, while Tiana is overworking herself and so goal focused that she’s letting the joys of life go by. Their relationship is Tiana helping Naveen develop a work ethic and Naveen teaching Tiana that she can focus on her goals and enjoy life too. They help each other balance out.
IMO, they're the best Disney couple. They're bond is healthy and strong, they're willing to make sacrifices for each other, they learn a lesson from each other, they're just perfect together.
Plus, next to Kuzco and Flynn Rider, Naveen is the best Disney prince and has the best character arc ever.
@@n19ntendods in general, their relationship is developed in a natural and healthy way, something most princess movies forget about.
@@lu-__- I agree.
Scaff really missed the point here
Me not seeing Atlantis until the top 3
*”A MAN OF CULTURE”*
Well, Atlantis: The Lost Empire is an underrated masterpiece and a childhood memory for most now and I'd rewatch it again and again.
So much nostalgia for that movie
And uhh... What's your opinion on Milo's Return?
@@pedrobui.669 please, keep the conversation grounded in reality. don't bring in fantasies of things that definitely never existed in here.
I am a d I s g r a c e
I'm pretty sure a lot of the whole point in princess and the frog was that Tiana *didn't* deserve to be turned into a frog, and that this collateral damage is what triggers Navine's character growth
Yea, you don't have to deserve something to have it happen to you, and it also doesn't mean you can't learn from it, she learned that you can't be happy from burning the candle at both ends, you have to have people you love, it's a good message
Lilo's parents died in a rainstorm and that's why she gives the sandwiches to Pudge (since he controls the weather). She doesn't want to lose Nani too.
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*Flashbacks from Reddit videos*
NANI?!??!
OH NO
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"They all hated me..."
Meet the Robinsons really is pretty good ngl.
Agreed and it has an excellent message. Louis makes several mistakes throughout the movie, but he only gets to become a famous scientist in the future by working through his mistakes until he corrects them. This movie is probably the main reason that I am currently 3 semesters away from becoming a Chemical Engineer, because when your homework is so hard that there are no Google results when you search for it, the only thing you can do is keep moving forward until you get it right.
It’s good
Yeah besides having a amazing message, it has an incredible villain as well
@@rjcorreia3788 really, one of my only problems is that it's paced kind of weirdly, especially in the big final battle, but aside from that it's solid. I really love the message of how Lewis decides that meeting his mom probably won't solve everything, and really, it's up to him to make choices for his life. It's a pretty heartfelt movie that I think is underrated.
I am glad to know that there is people who sees the good atributes of the movie and dosen't stuck with "ThE mEsSaGe Is SoO rEPeTItiVe"
Fun fact: Atlantis characters look like comic characters cause the creator of Hellboy work on it too
That's so cool!
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Thats Not The Only Thing Thats Fantstic About The Animation The Background Are FREAKING BIG AND STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!
High way to hell
Oh damn. The more you know
Honestly, Jon Silver and Jim Hawkins relationship has to be my favorite of any Disney movie, which is saying a lot.
Simply because it's one of the few movies where the villain and the hero interact with each other positively. They help each other grow, despite the fact Jim, and the audience, already knows Silver is the villain. We're all told this fact when Jim's handed the map. Yet, throughout the movie, we watch as the two grow closer and become better people thanks to one another, all the while we know that it has to end eventually. Silver acting as a sort of father figure to Jim, who comes from a broken home, and helping him grow into a confident young man. Whereas Jim helps Silver realize that there's more to life than treasure, that it's good to appreciate the nonmaterial things.
Their relationship is what makes Treasure Planet such a good movie for me.
Exactly. I get that shaff doesn’t like the rest of the movie but honestly it doesn’t bother me much. Just seeing silver and Jim interact makes up for everything and else :)
"I just don't think the old-timey ships and outfits bend that well with futuristic tech at all"
Schaffrillas discovers Steampunk
As a general rule I don't like Steampunk or Sci-fi.
Treasure Planet is the exception. It did it so perfectly, it is a lot more victorian pirate than sci-fi and it handled it beautifully.
That one actually confused me a bit cuz he's talked about how much he loves Hadestown
@@alleria2266 Not familiar with Hadestown, I've got into musicals lately, but just the soundtracks.
@@AlfonsoSRT its aesthetic is very steampunk and schaff has commented about how he loved the steampunkiness of it all 😂 (also there are hadestown "slime tutorials" *wink wink* on yt if you wanna see)
I like how there aren't really villains in Lilo and Stitch. They're just obstacles. Each of the antagonists, like agent Bubbles and the galactic space federation are just trying to do their job and want to seek the best for either Lilo or for the safety of the world. In the end, the villains just get a new perspective on Stitch and find to accept him as a part of Lilo's family
yes! like ghibli movies rarely have villains
the closest thing to a villain is the red head with glasses
@@razkable and even then, myrtle is a little child whos obviously jealous i just wish she got development cuz ...
That's what I love the most about it, there's no classic villain. The tragedy Lilo and Nani got involved in, Stitch's problems to adapt, the lack of institutional help to broken families... those are the real villains
@@tennojiberri To be fair, even he gets some decent development later on.
Whenever I hear the song "Wannabe" by the Spice Girls I have PTSD of watching Chicken Little as a 6 year old in my elementary school's auditorium
me but with “ain’t no mountain high enough”
@@ameliagrace30 And who could forget "I Will Survive", truly an amazing integration of the song by Gloria Gaynor
No joke, I can’t listen to “Don’t Go Breakin’ My Heart” without thinking of that pig and the fox singing in the end credits
@@ridgepatterson7692 PLEASE why am i just now realising how amazing the music was in this movie. in general, the movie sucks but the soundtrack for it absolutely bangs
The brazillian dub with a weirdass translation of we're the champions is eternally printed into my brain so every time I listen to the actual song I think about it. What a disgrace
As a Native American, while I do agree with some of your points, Brother Bear is incredibly important to me. I’m Plains Cree/Métis and seeing the bit about the northern lights relating to our ancestors was a joy to see. Having some positive representation without it excusing MMIW or the genocide of our people/sexualizing our women it makes me happy.
YES
100%
But at the same time as a Native American. I’m offended at it because we barely see the culture and more time on the animals
@@horseyfacetheglorious No, yeah, I also feel that. I would love to have a movie where it focuses more on the the culture rather than just the animal aspects
@@hai.parenteau the animal parts are filled with dialogue you’d find in a muppet movie and with terrible songs
I have never watched a youtube video about the movies I grew up with as a kid so I was not prepared for how unnecessarily angry hearing you rip them apart would make me
Welcome to the club
Yeah I suddenly realised that I watched most of these when they came out as a kid and a lot of the "loved it as a kid but it's pretty shit" and "thought it was ok but realise it's a masterpiece now" stuff is exactly how I felt. Maybe it's just a kid thing that some themes and stories don't seem as good to kids but hit harder as adults
If we are talking about disney 2000s movies from our childhood being talked about by tamatao i must give my two cents
He was surprisingly nice towards home on the range
To be honest I got kinda angry on Brother Bear, and went writing on Bolt.
For me Treasure Planet is the peak of creativity. Taking an already existing story, a pirate story and puting it into space, but completely rewrite the laws of space, plus adding alien characters, sailships, with solar sails flying in the sky, and putting all of this into a steampunk setting is just brilliant.
Creativity comes from more than just visual concepts
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 And they did do that!! The visual concepts play into the story as well, from creating a whole new world to making a more modern story to fit the more modern aesthetic (at least, more modern than plain old Ye Olde England.) CinemaWins even made a joke about how the cannons on the ship actually served a purpose in taking down the exploding star bits.
@@yunseaweed they serve a purpose in details, like B.E.N.'s memory, the opening to the treasure room, etc. But there is nothing about it that really advances the story
I still like the movie but I am entitled to acknowledge its minor flaws
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 Y'know what, fair. Any arguments I'd make would probably be grasping at straws lol. Actually, this whole conversation made me realize that Treasure Planet is just a Treasure Island Steampunk AU fanfic that RonJohn made. No wonder I love the movie so much.
Fun Fact: Atlantis actually is one of the reasons why I went into linguistics because the way Milo was able to decipher the Atlantic language impressed me so much as a child
That’s really dope. How many languages do you speak
@@dweeeebo Just three, I wanted to learn more at Uni but with you-know-what going around learning a language solely online isn't really appealing imo. But additional fun fact, I saw a lot of people saying that Atlantis was their reason for going into a linguistic field as well, so it seems that this movie influenced a whole lot of kids to develop a love for language!
That’s amazing, great job!
@@frauleinzuckerguss1906 Ah, yes, when movies encouraged children to desire do fantastic things..., good times.
That's honestly so inspiring, I'm happy for you
TIMESTAMPS:
12) Dinosaur 1:12
11) Chicken Little 2:34
10) Brother Bear 5:04
9) Bolt 8:29
8) Home on the Range 10:36
7) Treasure Planet 11:59
[SQUARESPACE] 14:49
6) The Princess and the Frog 16:45
5) Meet the Robinsons 21:22
4) Fantasia 2000 23:35
3) The Emperor’s New Groove 25:31
2) Atlantis: The Lost Empire 26:54
1) Lilo and Stitch 29:06
If you watch his Disney Animation Ranking video, his new list:
12) Dinosaur
11) Chicken Little
10) Home on the Range
9) Bolt
8) Brother Bear
7) Treasure Planet
6) The Princess and the Frog
5) Meet the Robinsons
4) Fantasia 2000
3) The Emperor’s New Groove
2) Atlantis: The Lost Empire
1) Lilo and Stitch
Let's take a second to remember the bald guy from Lilo and stitch who never got to enjoy his ice cream.
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I’ll never forget when Disney made a post about Chicken Little on their social media pages, and everyone bashed Buck Cluck. That was a highlight of 2020
Like they should!
It’s another reason why Buck Cluck learned to reform... I think
what was it?
@@kieranstark7213 he learned to reform so he had a good reputation again, he’s such a fake father
@@IcyDiamond Reminds me of my dad (who is actually even worse, never having reformed but as the 2010s ended, he just chose to be even worse than ever).
"The aesthetic of treasure planet didnt make sense to me, i dont think the old timey setting meshed well with the furturistic tech" ah, so you never went through a streampunk phanse i see
Bruh, I’m still in my steampunk phase
@@noizepusher7594 SAME.
This isn’t just your regular old cheesy steampunk though, it’s actually an extremely intricate, well thought out and researched, cohesive and creative take on the visual genre - probably the best one in my opinion. I don’t think you need to be a steampunk fan to appreciate this world, any fan of good world-building and aesthetics would enjoy it. I find it extremely bizarre that, for someone who consumes a lot of media, he didn’t even think it was decent. Truly one of those things which I think is objectively good, if not exceptional and a masterclass in world-building. Schafrillas is quite baffling to me sometimes to be honest.
phanse
@@20000dino there is no such thing as objective worth 😸👍
Tiana was so focused on her dream that she lost sight of whats truly important, and that the people you share your dream with. She learns that its okay to slow down enjoy yourself, and take comfort in the people around you. This also ties into Naveen, who only enjoys himself, and needs to learn to work for those moments to mean anything.
There's actually a deleted segment of Lilo and Stitch that I think was a real shame to be omitted. In Lilo's room the walls are plastered with photographs of seemingly random people. This was actually explained to be due to the fact that tourists would take photos of Lilo in public because she's a "real hawaiian girl" (a scene specifically cut was a car full of tourists taking a photo of her in passing without consent). So in protest she takes candid photos of tourists and hangs them up on her wall. I guess the whole aspect was cut because Disney wasn't ready to tackle that kind of racism. Learning about it made Lilo and Stitch that much better to me.
EDIT: I was actually reminded/informed about that car scene in the comments below, none of the drivers take a picture of Lilo, but ask her where the beach is. One of the drivers ask her if she speaks english. Soon after Lilo arrives on the beach and a tourist remarks that she is "a real native", and another takes a picture of her. I conflated the two events into one, please forgive my senile brain.
Tourist: takes a picture of Lilo.
Lilo: takes a picture of tourist.
Tourist: ...
Lilo: You're beautiful.
wow that's really interesting, I didn't know that
It also would've gone hand in hand with Nani's job at the luau. It really wasn't Hawaiian at all. It perpetuated stereotypes of Hawaiian culture that tourists believe, aka taking anything remotely Polynesian and calling it Hawaiian specifically. Nani's outfit, for example, is more Tahitian. David works as a fire performer, and that particular art is Tahitian as well. A Hawaiian luau doesn't look like that either. It's not a restaurant or a place, but a banquet or party. Nani calls her former boss a vampire, and I think they could've explored more how racist Nani's job actually was.
I don't remember it going like that.
I recall that they were trying to get to the beach (dumbasses don't realize that Hawaii is literally a freaking island, just drive anywhere and you'll eventually find one), and there were some punks who asked Lilo if she could "Speak English", it was more showing the ignorance of the tourist rather than the whole picture thing.
Unless there was another deleted scene I didn't get to see.
Taking a picture of an American girl isnt racism. What? Lol
I appreciate how real Treasure Planet was with the missing father trope, as Jim’s dad just straight up fucking left on a trip and never came back.
He just went for cigarretes
You don't see a lot of Disney films where one of the parents just leaves.
Jim seeing his mother in tears and running after his father, an arm stretched out just out of reach as the ship leaves 😭
"Its everything Treasure Planet should have been"
D A M N you didnt have to go there
@Don't Take Life Seriously same. Though, I’ll admit, I saw Atlantis first. And had high regards for it.
@Don't Take Life Seriously To me it is the other way around. Atlantis always felt for me like a Star Gate Ripp off and I don't really like the main characters in it. To me the movie has no heart. But Treasure Planet has a heart. I admit that the designs in Atlantis are just amazing, but that doesn't make up for its various flaws.
I LOVED BOTH TREASURE PLANET AND ATLANTIS EQUALLY
AM I THE ONLY ONE?
Atlantis is literally Treasure Planet without the flaws.
@@NoLongerNull same here bud
Putting treasure planet so low actually physically hurt me because I absolutely loved the movie as a kid and even now. I thought the movie was so ambitious and visually amazing, and I loved the idea of mixing the traditional old novel with futuristic space. I also felt really attached to Jim and was very surprised by the amazing arc John silver went through
I didn't get Schaff's point about Doppler and Amelia at all, both are major characters that drive the plot, especially Doppler. I was like, how does the movie "not use them at all"? Also their romance was sweet and well-developed. It felt like we had watched two separate films.
@@AtlasBlizzard no fr
I wouldn't worry about it too much. He's just some guy on the internet. Who cares what he thinks? You enjoyed the movie and that's good enough.
I disagree with him saying that treasure planet is ok its more than ok , its of the best pirate movie that is not pirates of the caribbean
The scene in Lilo and Stitch after the fight and Mr. Bubbles is taking Lilo away, with Nani pleading, and Bubbles yelling, "Is this what she needs??" Literally gives me chills everytime
So.... we’re just not gonna talk about how Disney purposefully destroyed any chance Treasure Planet had at success just to make the writers sit down and obey (for lack of a better word)
Releasing the movie when santa clause 2 and Chamber of secrets was out in theaters. It wouldn't survive.
That, and the fact that they PURPOSEFULLY FAILED IT TO MAKE WAY FOR THE NEW GENERATION-
Ikr
Would all of you just get over it and stop complaining? It's not the end of the world. So what if it was a flop at the box office? Loads of people love it, and that should be more important than how much money it made. Besides, isn't a late release better than no release at all? And why do you people keep using the word "Disney?" When you say that, you're literally talking about God knows how many people working there. Do you honestly think every Disney worker sabotaged it? If so, that's a stupid and incorrect thought. It was only the people in charge who made it come out when it did. My point is: It was nearly 20 years ago, and it wasn't a crime against humanity. So let it go.
Y'all on the princess frog thing when the dude stepped on the bug I was crying for like 10 minutes
It still traumatizes me each time I rewatch it✋😭
I cry every time omg
I laughed! It's the moment it happened really. The story was getting so convoluted that I found it more ridiculous than sad.
I cry every time and I can't stretch this enough.
I cry every time I see ray die, it breaks my heart. I love that lil bug
A lot of people say that Princess and the Frog is based on the old fairy tale of the frog prince, but it's loosely based on a book that's in turn loosely inspired by that story that's called the Frog Princess. In the original book the titular princess turned into a frog because a bracelet her aunt gave her to keep her from getting cursed had an unforeseen reaction with the curse that was on the prince (it was enchanted to turn any magic she got involved with back on the caster). And you're right, Charlotte and her father don't have any equivalents in the book, they probably were added for the reason you think.
“When the villain stepped on Raymond I laughed” wow today I learned Schaf is a psychopath disrespecting my poor firefly
That was really the main thing i think i disagred with schaff on really any of his lists while raymond is a bit naratively goofy I think theirs just something geunine about the way he acts and his sacrafice at the end of the movie actaully makes me sad. I think you get rid of him you lose too much of the heart of the film
IKR
Ray deserve better than that
Hi friend, I did, too.
Princess and the Frog is my favorite princess movie, so hearing what he said about it hurt in general. But the thing about Raymond? That hurt the worst 😔
He married a star.
What a legend.
The voodoo man's death is one of the darkest deaths in any Disney movie, he gets his soul eaten, and his body thrown into the freaking shadow realm.
Yes, Dr. Facilier’s death was very dark, even for Disney. In fact, Dr. Facilier’s death was one of the darkest ones in my opinion. Dr. Facilier’s was a great villain, and I like to watch the movie just to see Dr. Facilier. Dr. Facilier is one of my favorite Disney villains. Dr. Facilier
Shadow realm? 👀
Also to point out that when the frog character broke the amulet thing, he wasn't reaching for her he went straight for the amulet and you could see how he was absolutely terrified
He didn’t die he just went to see his friends on the other side
@@marshmallowallen5677 there is some comment in your Dr. Facilier.
Fun fact about Atlantis's art style: the production designer was Mike Mignola, a comic artist and writer and creator of Hellboy, hence why it looks so comic-booky.
Bruh you literally copied the other dudes comment....
@@C0L1N you know people can have the same ideas right? Even if he did steal it, no one cares
@@Lorelore10 He might have meant that this comment was a copy and paste, but idk.
I think that Bolt would be so much cooler if it was that spy-action movie it seemed to be at the beginning. Bolt's superpowers were so creative
Yeah, like, have it so before putting him in the dog carrier thing, Calico hits Bolt with something that gets rid of his powers before dumping him out on the street. Then, have the movie play out like normal except Bolt and the gang are trying to get to Calico's hideout in Hollywood to rescue Penny before he ends the world or something. Have the aesop be that you don't need special abilities to do great things.
@@thegoodmudkip3652 Why didn't they just do that?! Like, the parts where he's discovering how real dogs act were the best parts, they wouldn't have lost anything.
I didn’t catch on as a kid, but now I understand why Lilo finds it so important to feed Pudge the fish. Lilo says Pudge controls the weather so she feeds him to keep him happy. Her parents died in an accident because of the stormy weather. She feeds Pudge so nobody else gets hurt because of the weather
Not me crying in bed rn
The day she didnt feed the pudge was when her parents died
In the original story idea the fish was even more important. Stitch killed Pudge because he was programmed to be a killing machine and when Lilo got sad he realized the importance of lives, that was the part where he understood the consequences of his actions and tried to change. But it was cut out for understandable reasons, they didn't want to portray Stitch as that bad because while olders would understand it kids would misunderstand it and hate him.
STOP WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME
Yes me crying in bed rn
As a kid I probably didn't appreciate it that much but now it's hitting so hard ;;
Now that I think about it, I wish "Bolt" was made like "The Truman Show"
and Toy Story people compare Buzz and Bolt and Mittens to Woody all the time
I see the connection now, that's kinda interesting
And rhino???
Originally, 'Bolt' (then 'American Dog') was something much more serious, but then Disney started to meddle with the film and eventually creator (!Chris Sanders!) just left the project (or was removed, doesn't matter), because it's no use to argue with Disney.
Everyone always talks about how much of an underrated classic Treasure Planet was, but rarely mention Atlantis. Atlantis was one of the first mainstream films to use a “dieselpunk” aesthetic, and was one of the best 2D/3D Disney films visually. Plus, the fact that the story is so mature, kinda feeds into what I call “The Iron Giant” problem, where the movie is too adult and ambitious with its story telling and messages, as well as being quite off brand than what people are used too, that the marketing department just doesn’t know what to do with it. I mean, even as a kid, that whole ending part with Rourke kinda messed me up
You just summed up my opinion about the movie.
Rewatching the movie as an adult, I certainly have more appreciation and admiration for it.
Atlantis was the opposite for me, watching it as an adult it felt like a mess with massive pacing problems and no heart.
Atlantis was an experiment: Disney wanted to see if they could make an animated movie aimed at an older audience. It was intentionally darker and more ambitious than most of the others film, but because of this it didn't had an audience: many children were scared by it, the intended audience ignored it because they thought it was another kids cartoon with funny characters and catchy songs and Shrek and Tomb Raider wrecked it at the box office, attracting respectively the kids and the intended audience, leading to his obscurity.
Man as a kid I loved that they went so hard with how they killed Rourke. XD I loved dark stuff like that. And I still feel pretty much the same now haha
I don't care what anyone says, Bolt is a charming movie that warms my cold heart. There's a song with the lyrics "I may not see in color, but I sure can feel blue". C'mon. I say "You're my good boy" to my cat all the time now.
I agree with you. I don't care what Schaffrillas says, Bolt is a masterpiece. This movie is my childhood and my favorite Disney movie of all time!
@UNIVERSAL What's ridiculous?
@UNIVERSAL Are you seriously criticizing me?
@UNIVERSAL It okay, dude!
@@AquaTeenHungerForceIsGoated it isn't a masterpiece, but is better than what Shaffrillas said, but I don't think it is by a lage margin though. But anyways: it's good.
Sora was more supportive of Chicken Little than his dad ever was, even though he had never met him before summoning him for the first time.
Let that sink in for a moment.
Kingdom Hearts 2-Now sponsored by KFC.
Sora supports a neglected chicken without the fryer and sauce. Ignis disapproves of Sora.
I can't believe Kingdom Hearts is real. This comment is incredible.
lol
Chicken Little was a better character in that game than the movie
Sounds like my real life story. Wish Sora could show up for support.
Can't wait for Every 2010 Disney Movie Ranked
Ralph Breaks the Internet was the least good one in my opinion
@@unicorntomboy9736 He would probably put it at the very bottom and he would put Moana at the top.
@@turbobist2889 I would put Frozen at number one
this is gonna sound weird but I hope he gives the Winnie the Pooh movie some love. its not a masterpiece, but it is very wholesome
Or the older ones ( Snow white, Robin hood etc? )?
The concept of Adam West playing Bolt would actually have made the movie about 13x better, thank you for this absolute wisdom
Bolt is still one of my favorite Disney films though. Reminded me of The Truman Show (1998) in a way.
And yes, I loved the message about finding yourself.
I do think it would've been funnier but I'm not sure if people would've taken the emotional parts as seriously if Bolt had Adam West's voice
I don't hate John Travolta, but I think Adam West would have delivered his lines a bit too powerful for an animated movie, especially one made in the 2000s. But besides that, it's never been one of my favorite Disney movies, and I could say it was on par with the mediocre Star Wars Sequel Trilogy (Last Jedi excluded, because it is the worst movie Disney has ever made).
Actually it would have just been better if they used Chris Sanders original 'american dog' concept, which being rejected by Disney was the reason he left for DreamWorks.
If only he were still with us
I think a fan's relationship with their father (especially a son's relationship) defines how each responds to Treasure Planet. That is why so many guys that grew up with that movie care about it so much because they see aspects of their own father-son relationship in it. I can recognize that it isn't overall as quality of a movie as many make it out to be, but it is personally meaningful to me and one of the few Disney movies of this era that really brings out deeper emotions from me, so I get why so many love it.
I never liked the whole "the dad's an idiot" trope that's been in every kids media since the 90s, but Chicken Little takes that to a whole new low by having the dad be the most unlikable character in a whole roster of unlikable characters.
wtf take that back
You mean whole ROOSTER of unlikeable characters?
No?
Sorry, I’ll show myself out.
@@sheamorrey963 come back, come back, that was good
that dad was so accurate tho
@@sheamorrey963 The pig (I don't know the english name, I know him as Raspa do Tacho) and fish were good characters at least.
I think the tiana thing can be explained like this...she becomes a frog so that she is pulled into the same position as the Prince guy, suddenly two people from totally different worlds in so many ways are suddenly on the same level and in the same bad position and they both learn something from each other, tiana learns to not let her dreams consume her to the point where she blocks everyone out and she loses herself and the Prince guy learns that he doesn’t have to be so trapped in his ways by depending on others for his success and that some hard work can give him the life he wants. They Balance each other out, tiana starts as a workaholic to the point where she risks losing the whole point of her dream (that being family and interaction) and the Prince starts as a douch who always depends on others to guide him through life as he’s never rlly worked for anything but buy the end tiana learns that having fun and interacting with the same people she wants to bring together will help her achieve her goals ams the Prince takes on the responsibility of himself and his own dreams and even more so he learns that being able to help himself and help someone he loves is all he needs...the kissing thing still doesn’t make sense tho
the character development was top tier in princess and the frog
when me and my mom were watching the movie, we actually did make some sense out of the whole “tiana kisses naveen and turns into a frog (somehow)” thing. basically, she was always taught about independence and having to work to earn things as a kid by her father, and handsome prince man who is now a frog comes to her one day and says that instead of putting in the extra effort, he can just buy her the restaurant she so desperately wants. so, she reluctantly agrees because it had been her lifelong goal for pretty much the entirety of her existence since her dad passed, kisses him, and boom, is now a frog! this didn’t make sense to most people as tiana is virtually the complete opposite of naveen: hard-working and independent, humble, etc, but when you think about it in a deeper sense, it kinda does. independence was one of the biggest values in her life, so just agreeing to let naveen buy the restaurant for her kinda contradicts the whole meaning of that. that isn’t to say she didn’t work hard, because she most certainly did, but yeah i guess her transforming into a frog did make a little sense
I always assumed she turned into a frog cuz it wasn't supposed to happen at that moment. almost like it backfired. Like, Naveen was supposed to kiss a princess. Tiana was not a princess until the end CUZ she *married* Naveen and fell in love with him. the beginning was just an ol' quick peck. I thought maybe it woulda happened to anyone he kissed.
while this all checks out story-wise, it's still missing the point. the point was mostly to question why this character arc couldn't have happened without turning the first black disney princess into a frog for the majority of her film, and additionally questioning why this means of character development is only chosen for characters who aren't white. the individual in-universe justification doesn't matter because it doesn't engage with the real-life implications of portraying people of color as animals, which is the whole reason it's being pointed out in the first place.
@@juiceecads3894 tbh…I see it as just a coincidence OR perhaps these characters on these types of stories usually go hand in hand with life lessons linked to kinda advanced topics or places in history. Tiana lives in New Orleans and aspires to be something more but is kept in place due to her background and ppls lack of expectations same for most characters similar to her. So turning that character into an animal is usually done to introduce entirely bigger and more drastic challenges but they’re acc easier to understand. Turning someone into an animal has always been done to not simplify the character but the surroundings, the settings and the struggles they’d face as a human and acc focussed in on the characters. Making their motivations more clear. Giving them a set goal (to become human again) of which by the end they learn the lessons needed to achieve what they’re original plan was before they became a creature. It’s a pretty simple story tool and used nearly everywhere just in different ways and I think since these movies are ultimately for kids it’s probably better that way. Besides without the whole issue of the movie the acc base story line would be bland or would have ended way sooner. At the start of the film she essentially works for and gets her goal but the door is shut in her face. Without that event to launch character progression the movie is done at the finish line. Plus, it’s based off princes on the frog so they kinda had the big thing right there in their faces.
Bolt actually confused me when I was 5 years old because I didn’t realize that bolt didn’t have powers throughout the movie
Omg same, it's been so long since i watched that movie that i just assumed he did have powers the entire movie this whole time!
i mean its the whole point of the story but ok
bro same
Thank god I was not the only dumb 5 year old.
Same!!!
I remember watching Meet the Robinsons as a kid and whenever I remembered it I was pretty sure it was a fever dream. Now you’ve reminded me it was a actual thing.
As an adoptee, Meet the Robinsons really hit me hard. I was not expecting it the first time I saw it-so many tears.
I saw Meet The Robinsons before I got adopted and I decided I hated that movie cause I wanted what Lois got so bad 😭😭
@@Lichen8404 Are your opinions different now?
@@Christina-sj1wc yea I grew up and stopped being jealous
@@Lichen8404 Were you ever adopted?
@@Gemnist98 yea
Obligatory “how dare you” for ranking treasure planet so low
That is all
But yeah the robot was bad
yep
What Bolt? Bolt is amazing.
Yeah he really dropped the bucket.
Eh I can respect his reasons. It's my favourite but hey, variety spice and all that.
Plus Atlantis is in it's rightful place, and I don't even disagree that L&S is the *best* movie. All is good.
@@PandaSafadopudim I hate Atlantis but love Treasure Planet..
_Dinosaur and monke, what’s not to like_ 😎
Soooooo kong vs godzilla
@@HELLO-ux3hb and not vs
Gang gang
@@bookwyrmking7613 😤
A lot if you ask Schrafillas.
Treasure planet is one of my all time favorites, right up there with robots tied for my top animated movies of all time. I had a cat named morph bc he was such a slinky fella, that movie is just so beautifully whimsical, and has the dad figure making changes to be a better mentor, which I feel very closely to home with my own dad, it just is a beautiful movie that can jerk the tears even after watching it enough to rewrite the script word for word
"Up next (UGH!), (sigh) Chicken Little." That was actually a pretty genius transition.
Yep
*Fun Fact:* Originally, Chicken Little was going to be a coming-of-age story with the protagonist being a girl. No aliens included.
This is the story about a small yellow chick who suffered from paranoia which caused several panic outbreaks in her hometown. Not only becomes a freak to the town, but also upsets her father who wanted her to improve as a better person (and have the mother being alive as well). In order to give confidence, she was sent to a summer school called Camp-Yes-You-Can where she met her friends like in the final product but with Ugly Duckling being a boy. The sheep who ran the camp turned out to be wolves in disguise who were planning to eat all the students. Now, it is up to Chicken Little to confront her fears and save the day. The scrapped version of Chicken Little could've been great in the final product but too bad Disney can't accept that.
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And I heard that they made Chicken little instead of My peoples/a few good ghosts/once in a blue moon/Elgin's peoples/Angel and her no good sister ( this unfinished project had multiple names, but ended up having none of them ).
@@redpanda6497 I heard that as well My People sounds a lot more creative and interesting than what chicken little turned out to be
i remember if you had the cd of Chicken Little, you were able to see what was going through the minds of the story directors.
We really coulda gotten As told by Ginger mixed with Camp Lazlo from the Squirrel Scouts perspective 😤👌
It's worth noting that Naveen's character arc wasn't really that he was egotistical and needed to be brought down a peg (though it was a flaw of his), it was moreso that he was privileged and lazy, a total contrast to Tiana's fixation on her goal to the point of overworking herself. They're both opposite extremes (which makes total sense given their lives), and on their adventure they both have a positive impact on balancing each other out; Tiana teaches Naveen responsibility and gives him a good work ethic, while Naveen helps Tiana loosen up and appreciate the connections in her life. And then as Mama Odie said all they needed was love to be happy, it was literally all they needed to turn human.
Not trying to defend the weird, overused trend of Disney turning most of their POC leads into animals (disproportionately to their many, many white movies anyway), just trying to defend The Princess and the Frog's great story and amazing lead characters.
EDIT: I also feel like I should add that, since a lot of other people talking about this don't really regard the nuance here, Tiana turning into a frog doesn't mean she "deserved" it for any character flaw; if the movie saw her determination to get her restaurant as a bad thing, she wouldn't have still gotten it at the end. She's like the Pacha/Belle of the duo, the sympathetic hero who's forced into this situation by the jerk, but also learns a thing or two herself on the journey and her developing relationship with the other character.
OTHER EDIT: Modified my statement about the animal thing because a lot of replies are either missing the point or taking it in bad faith. I never said it undermined the rest of the representation in the films themselves, it's more of a gross marketing issue from the disney higher ups.
@@pedropradacarciofi2517 I swear bro when the narrator kept on mentioning that, it honestly annoyed the hell outta me.
How did they exactly bring the trend back with Soul, when half of the movie we got to see Joe, his friends, family, and coworkers in the human world? 99% of them are POC/non-white
But soul is from Pixar? I know Pixar is under Disney but Disney have no control over how Pixar makes their movies, not to mention the 50% of the movie involves Joe in his daily life with other POC characters
All this is coming from a POC, but we all have our views and I completely respect yours and do agree to your opinion to some degree
@@sunhopii8534 Yeah, I mean I'm in no right to really say anything more about the topic than what I've heard from other POC who've been bothered by it. The real issue is that when there's been little representation by Disney overall, it's a little sus that most of them can't keep their POC leads as they are for most of the film (whether or not it's also been done in a few of their many, many white movies), and Disney (the corporation) absolutely has control over that in their animated movies, Pixar included. I personally think the real solution is to make more POC led movies than just the few that take part in the trope, but that wasn't the point of my original comment
@@jodran5228 well if anything, it’s really dumb to talk about this “trend” with soul because that was a beautiful plot device and metaphor that was really needed In The story
My sister and I were obsessed with Bolt growing up. We watched it so many times, we memorized it, and would reenact it with our stuffed animals.
Fun Fact: Micheal Eisner said Chicken Little was proof Disney could succeed without Pixar.
I had to go into a different room to read this outloud while laughing and wheezing because that's the only way I can imagine someone saying this.
Finically Yes, Critically No No it isn’t
“You’re not a clown, you’re a whole circus!”
They did eventually achieve that with some of the more recent films from Disney Animation Studios, but it took them a while to get there.
Haha he dumb dumb
Schaff : Doesn't rank Treasure Planet high
The comments : So you have chosen death
Basically lol
Im sorry, but is that a map pride flag?
Not a musical or straight comedy -4 score instantly
@@windwaker0rules Megamind? Lilo and stitch? Atlantis? Shrek 2? How to train your dragon? Those aren't musicals, nor just comedies. And he considers them masterpieces.
@@drobnoxius9483 Fortunately no. The MAP Pride Flag is in a pattern of (from top to bottom): Blue, lighter blue, yellow, white, yellow, light pink, and Pink. I don't know what FrogPrinceKT's pride flag exactly is though, but so far as i've heard, it's nothing harmful.
Still don't get why those pedophiles had to make their flag seem so similar to the Trans Pride Flag, it can genuinely confuse some people and honestly, i fucking hate it.
Video Timestamps
1:11 12: Dinosaur
2:33 11: Chicken Little
5:03 10: Brother Bear
8:28 9: Bolt
10:35 8: Home On The Range
11:58 7: Treasure Planet
16:45 6: Princess And The Frog
21:22 5: Meet The Robinsons
23:35 4: Fantasia 2000
25:30 3: The Emperor’s New Groove
26:54 2: Atlantis: The Lost Empire
29:05 1: Lilo And Stitch
Thanks for the movie Timestamps.
@@lilstubbs9553 yur wlcm
I think The Wild would be below Dinosaur, since he refuses to watch it again.
@@j.d.t.5761 At least I'll watch that over The wild.
I don't have a good life anymore now that television has changed to streaming especially Disney+
I still remember watching Atlantis in an almost-empty theater with my aunt. Still one of my favorite movies to this day.
"This is why kids shouldn't have opinions." 😂😂 when I was in third grade my classmates thought Chicken Little was an Oscar deserving masterpiece and I never understood the hype.
It was probably the spice girls karaoke scene
Maybe those kids parents were as bad as the Chicken Little ones.
Damn maybe you should tell phinease and ferb too fix that.
My mom relates with Buck Cluck.
Let that sink in.
@@PedroHCF37 is ace cluck the chicken voiced by adam west
Treasure Planet is the only Disney movie where the main character was abandoned by one of his parents, which is honestly way more relatable than having dead parents. I wish Disney, or even Pixar, revisits this idea in the future. Also, give us more father figures in animated movies, they are great.
It's not thought
@@deadaccount8054 Which part? The 'only movie where MC was abandoned by parents' part or the more relatable and realistic part?
Meet the Robinsons has entered the chat
Yah, as a lone boy wanting to help his mum that movie kinda tore me up a little, but can't have that nowadays!
this! I was abandoned by my mom and I relate to this movie so much
16:44 Was not expecting a Runaway Guys clip to show up here, but it leads into The Princess and the Frog perfectly.
Hello tom fawkes!
That was great.
Oooh it's Tom Fawkes
A legendary clip from a legendary LP
God I love them
Princess and the Frog will always be my favorite princess disney movie and one of my favorite movies of all time. I am so endeared to all of the characters. Louis the alligator is one of my favorite characters under the "They have a dream and they get it but they're a side character." trope. Naveen has one of my favorites arcs in a disney movie simply because it handles it well and gives it time. Tiana is so amazing to watch and I always feel like I want her to succeed. For me personally, easy 10/10
My mother used to work as a social worker and she absolutely refuses to watch Lilo & stitch solely because of the sister plot line. Apparently the uncomfortable authenticity is also present in how the social worker handled the situation throughout the movie. Apparently the catharsis and feeling of justice when a minor is rescued from someone who is maliciously neglectful or otherwise dangerous, is dwarfed by the feeling of absolute heartbreak and dread when a child needs to be taken from someone who genuinely tried their best but simply couldn't cut it.
Brother Bear: “We do NOT live in a society.”
Hearing a Disney character say a drunk driver killed your kid is hilarious to me in some dark and twisted way
"We live in the Flippin' woods!"
"Treasure Planet is okay"
So, you have chosen death.
It's literally just Treasure Island but in space.
It's a really good adaptation, but it's still just Treasure Island.
@@tbotalpha8133 *and?*
TBot Alpha that was kinda the point
@@tbotalpha8133 That’s the point. That was Ron and Jon’s vision and they succeeded if a little too well but still. And as someone without a father this has grown into one of my favorite movies
Why does this comment not have more likes haha
The 2000s may not have been the best decade for Disney, but it's probably my favorite decade from them. I like the way they experimented in their animated movies and it's honestly more enjoyable to watch than the Renaissance or the 2010s.
this is why I think the disney parks were best under eisner.
For the Tiana thing, she needed her to relax. She was so focused on everything else without accepting a lot of help from everyone else. She needed to learn that she was not on her own, and to be happy about the little things and what else is important, not to waste her life working. I dont know why but it clicked for me. I think its one of the best animated 2d films they ever made, with rolling down the byou and the madegra being great. All the songs I liked and Ray was better for me. I am glad they did not do a fake out death here and Tiana is my favorite Disney princess.
Thank you! People miss the point. The movie wasn't criticizing Tiana's work ethic, it was criticizing Tiana's tunnel vision in reaching her goals that she doesn't slow down to enjoy the little things in life, which are just as important. Both this movie and Soul handle this very well.
Tiana is my favorite princess not only because I relate to her, but also because I too sometimes forget to enjoy the little things in life.
@@courtneylovett8307 Yes! Glad I can see someone admire this gem, its not really talked about
Yesssss. It's RELEVANT, especially with young women of color being forced to "prove" themselves in this world.
We don't always need to be workaholics to reach our goals. There is time for work AND love, family, happiness. Ambition AND relaxation. ^^
@@thelastprotectorofoverain1035 yeah Princess and the Frog is super underrated
I don't understand why most people I see on yt hate this movie so much. Well maybe not hate but I guess don't understand it? Idk
Lilo and Stitch was so good that I honestly thought it was a renissance movie.
It's up there with the greats
It's my favorite Disney film
@@captainfordo8013 same
@@captainfordo8013 It’s my favorite, but I think Emperor’s New Groove is a very, very close second.
Actually, outside of the WDAS films of the mid-2000s (I think we know what they are), the Experimental Era is lowkey a continuation of the Disney Renaissance Era (though I could understand why it’s highkey considered the Second Dark Age, because while most of its movies like Fantasia 2000, The Emperor’s New Groove, Atlantis, Lilo and Stitch, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Meet the Robinsons and even Bolt are successes in terms of their quality, only a few films of the era were successes at the box office like Dinosaur, Lilo and Stitch, Brother Bear despite its low-ass budget, Chicken Little and Bolt to a bare extent).
PEOPLE BEHIND LILO&STITCH MADE HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON?!
My life just got much better with that information
same
I'd like a ghost pizza
No you can't have it and don't call or I break your fucking knees
Look at Stich's face and then look at Toothless', not very surprising.
it's almost like diffrent people can work for different production companies and it isn't all about wars and such
16:44 I was NOT expecting ProtonJon’s impression of Big the Cat in a Schaffrillas video. I was laughing my ass off for a solid minute or two.
Dinosaurs has the most death count in all of the Disney movies that ever existed so that’s something I guess...
I thought that honor went to Mulan?
@@michaeldorsey9231 no its dinosaurs I only know that because of film theory
@@matthewkelding5570 Was it the meteor that gave it that count?
@@michaeldorsey9231 Yes
*Laughs in Hades Death Count*
You know that Lilo and Stitch is amazing when they basically use Stitch as their secondary mascot behind Mickey at the parks
Holy Crap 1000 Likes Thank you so much!! That’s the most I’ve ever gotten
Shit. Good point there
they made a ride on him at disney world and nobody really liked it. I thought the concept was cool but disney said no.
It was called “Stitch’s great escape”
@@murph23b40 I loved that ride lol
@@sph9564 yeah that ride got replace by stitch in like 2004 or sumn
Okay,raise your hand if you have genuinely forgotten more than once that Bolt is a Disney film
*proceeds to raise hand*
It was one of my favorites as a kid too. Completely forget about it until i found the video game in my old Xbox 360 collection.
I only know because miles Cyrus voices the girl and miley is THE Disney star
I forgot it existed
✋
25:48 - "WROOONG LEVAAAAAAAAAAR!"
"Huh?"
I actually can belive that Facilier programmed the curse to turn Tiana into a frog. The Frog Prince is a story that exists in that universe, Facilier is the kind of guy who would know about it and try to prevent it
Like you know just in case someone saw a frog and said "Imma kiss that". Small chance, but not zero
@@rocket2995 Yeah but it's a frog that can still talk, and if the prince knows the story as well he will obviously try to kiss someone like he did in the movie
Uno reverse card; frog curse edition
It's more likely just the rules of magic in general. Their first kiss wasn't a kiss of true love and the woman giving the kiss wasn't a princess in any legal or traditional sense of the term, so the curse didn't break, but spread instead.
They try to find a legal loophole (parade princess is a princess in a sense) but miss the timing; since there's no malice or selfishness by this point, the curse doesn't spread.
Then on the wedding, Naveen and Tiana truly love each other (it's _true love's kiss_ that's more important than being a prince or princess per se in most Disney fairy tales) _and_ since Naveen is still a prince, in the instant of a legally binding wedding his wife is a princess. So now it's a legal princess and a kiss of true love, finally breaking the curse for both of them, just as they were willing to live with the curse for the rest of their lives.
The mere fact that Atlantis: The Lost Empire is #2 on your ranking has me respect and appreciate you even more.
Yeah, but he also put Bolt higher than Brother Bear
I really do love the fact that more recently Atlantis has been getting this cult classic status fandom wise, because from the first time i saw it, to today it is still my favorite disney movie.
“Atlantis is so great, how come no one ever told me?” Pretty sure we’ve all said how great this movie is ❤️
@@joshuamanjarrez6321 not only that but he put home on the range above brother bear. 🤢
I just going to say it: Meet The Robinsons is extremely underrated.
OMG yes! This movie is so beautiful and I truly love this movie with all my heart! "Little Wonders" is a Disney song I love so much and it breaks my heart how many people don't even know this movie exists...
I personally still find it boring, but it's objectively alright.
Les goooo
Amen🙏😌
fax
If I had a nickel for every time Disney made a movie where the main character turns into a bear, hates it, but then ends up deciding to stay a bear in the end, I'd gave two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Hold on, besides brother bear which is the other movie?
@@andrewbarrera2553 turning red
@@TheJetpack67red pandas aren't bears btw! And Mei never really hated being a panda, she was just scared at first because she wasn't expecting to become one
Edit: sorry if I seem rude btw :(
'Bolt is deeply mediocre'
You just grabbed a dagger of childhood nostalgia and plunged it into my ribcage
That’s basically the same sort of situation for everyone mad at James for his opinions on these movies
Yo same Bolt is such a good movie for me personally
I'm admittedly disappointed Bolt isn't higher, but except for Fantasia 2000 I wouldn't put it any higher than any of the movies above it besides Home on the Range. It's up against a number of really good movies anyway that it appearing so low on such a short list I think was partly to be expected.
same low-key but it is a bit of a strange movie with a weird tone looking back
Also he said it was mediocre yet he implied he strongly disliked it
I'd rather watch this entire list than whatever Disney's got in the live action list right now
Amen to that
I bet they gonna remake bambi with Larry the Cable Guy as the hunter.
@Cactus Juice he snaps from the bullying and abuse and kills everyone in Oakey Oaks who messes with him
Even Dinosaur?
@@IcyDiamond honestly that sounds better than the original
As someone who is native American and an animation major, I might be a little biased but I loved Brother Bear as a kid and even now. But I do agree with most of your points. While the animation is beautiful and the beginning is good, the fact of it being a kids film causes it to fumble a bit. I think as a kid, I was just so happy to see "good" representation that didn't sexualize or demonize the natives
Way better than Pocahontas with a literal song called “Savages” :) and a depiction of the real world awful relationship between John and Pocahontas :) which is For Some Reason played completely straight and not like the atrocities they deserve to be remembered for :)))))
As someone who is also native american, I also agree. Sometimes it can be sad or drama, but again, it’s actually nice!
Your ego must be huge if you're constantly looking for yourself in everything you watch.
@@stevengull6703 Wanting your people represented well =/= having a big ego
@@aurea. well if you desire to see yourself in media that's because of your ego. I don't need to see Irishmen in media to feel connected to the story. Hell I've never cared about seeing my skin color in a movie. Never watched an all black movie and thought to myself "where the hell is the white guy".
18:36 Tiana actually had a "reason" for becoming a frog, and in fact it was that she "worked" too hard and was very obsessed with the "working" part of making a dream come true. Through the journey, and also through what Mama Odie wanted to point out to her (but she didn't understand), she learns not to be so obsessed with hard work and listening to her own self (digging a little deeper hehe), because everything she needed and what was more important she already had: love (as she states for Dr. Facilier). That was the point of her turning into a frog.
2000’s Disney movies?
*chose your words carefully*
“Treasure planet is.... ok”
*That wasn’t very careful*
*r o o k i e m i s t a k e*
Nah it was ok
I think people overrate it to make up for how badly disney screwed it's potential success.
@@sed1589 it’s not *the best* Disney movie, even from that era.
But I’d say it’s solidly in the *good* ,fairly enjoyable category.
If I was making this ranking it would definitely be like number 2. Before emperors new groove and atlantis and after lilo and stitch obviously.
Lilo & Stitch isn't just my fave Disney movie. It's one of my favorite movies, period
when someone says whats the best disney movie in the 2000's decade if they say anything other then lilo and stich they are wrong...it made me feel...no other film they made on their own did that...which is why frozen is so beloved..people love feeling...pixar nails it..dreakworks too..90's disney got it...2000's disney was about wacky randomness and petty drama..where's the earned feels?
@@razkable but..emperors New groove funny
I'm still confused that nobody ( not her own mother ) noticed that tiana was missing as soon as she was a frog.
OMGG I JUST REALIZED NOW CUZ UR COMMENT damn that’s just sad lmao
Well the events of the movie took place in 1 day, so I don't think it's a big plot hole if anything.
@@KatsuImagitian WAS IN ONE DAY??
@@KatsuImagitian that was like 2 days and a morning before they became human again. And the Mardi Gras was finishing! It's very disturbing that no one noticed Tiana wasn't at work or at home
Fun fact out of all the Disney Princes and Princesses with one dead parent Tiana's the only one who has a mom.
The funeral in brother bear is a 10/10 scene. I stand my ground
Treasure Planet deserved so much more. Disney wanted it to fail.
I know because I love it a lot😢
How come?
@@EngineerRiff they kept milking the creators for other movies before letting them finally make the one they wanted to make, and then it released with bad timing around the same time as Spider-Man, Harry Potter 2, and the Scooby Doo movie so it probably got overshadowed
Ah yes, another case of overshadowment
Why tf would Disney, a corporation whose goal is to make as much money as possible, WANT any of their movies to fail?
Schafrilla: ray sucks
Literally everybody: so you have chosen death.
Me, trying to remember who Ray is:
Who's Ray?
Was it the firefly who was In love with a star
I love Schaff but every single thing he said in that Princess and the Frog segment that was a garbage take. Literally every sentence was bullshit, from the “durr only POC get turned into animals” (Beauty and the Beast, Sword in the Stone, Brave...) to “Ray sucks”
@@Coughdropeater it's treason,then?
I still remember a while ago when the 'official' Chicken Little Wiki was edited to the point where Buck's entire page was pretty much converted to manga lore.
Tbh that’s the legacy that he deserves
Manga lore?
Buck was born from the corpse of his lynched mother underneath a hanging tree, lying in a mire of blood and afterbirth. A mercenary group lead by a man named Gambino eventually happened upon the grisly site, presuming the infant to be dead. When the baby began wailing, to the surprise of the mercenaries, an acquaintance of Gambino's, Shisu, immediately took to the child and came to his aid. Gambino allowed the woman to keep Buck for her own personal consolation, despite the circumstances of Bucks' birth being considered ominous by his cohorts. Three years later, Bucks' surrogate mother contracted the plague, dying as he watched on and held her hand in the final moments.
@@megashark1013 is that what it says on his wiki?
Holy shit, i need to see that
Putting home on the range above brother bear should be a war crime