What they said. Also Gilbert went on to be one of my favorite TV characters of all time, Digit from Cyberchase, also known as comic relief bird character 😂
as a hunchback of notre dame 2 stan/scholar i can't believe you left out how the giant bell is beautiful on the INSIDE as one of the great hunchback of notre dame 2 moments
Never saw the movie, did see the design in this video. Jewels inside a bell, bell would destroy the hell out of those and would sound like shit. 10/10 perfect metaphor
@@CHUCKLZLORD it’s the normal expectations and requirements of everyday life that will ultimately destroy the beauty within us all. And we all sound like shit. 😌
I love every time he does really in depth about a particular movie he likes and then in the next sentence is talking about some other random garbage movie.
More creators should feel no obligation to give creative diarrhea the time for exposition. This is the kind of analysis served sloppy-style that is deserved
I also like how many times he says self contradicting statements about how this movie is the worst, this is the best, this is the only S tier, this is the only Disney sequel that justifies its existence, etc etc when I'm pretty sure he's said that before, possibly multiple times
It honestly feels like he started ranting at one of his friends about this, stopped midsentence and said 'Wait,.should I be filming this? I should film this.' and just left his friend standing there without another word, for them to resume their life.
My favourite thing about the Hunchback sequel is that it actually makes a lot of sense that Quasimodo, after the drama of saving a girl from being burned at the stake by a horny old man who also killed his mother, really just wants an average girl to vibe with.
Mulan would understand the nuances of a political marriage. She was vying for an arrangement in the beginning to honor her family. I think it'd be a better movie if SHANG was the one that was uneasy with the concept. Shang did think less of Mulan as a misogynist, so did the other guys it'd be more meaningful if he was the one who now, even presented by dainty and obedient princesses, is concerned for their autonomy. It would both show us his growth, and give us an interesting arc. I'm not sure how you'd fully justify either of them thinking that Defecting on a mission that would avoid a war though. The ending is goofy, though that bit about Mulan taking the place of the princesses was good.
Right? Hell, imagine Mulan actually being the voice in favor of the arranged marriage, not because she thinks it's some inherently good thing, but because it's *practical*. They've both been to war, like hell Mulan's going to let anyone else go through what she and Shang both did, or let any other villages get burned down like that one she and her comrades saw.
This is a great idea, but it's also a very 2010's 2020's idea. 2004 wasn't ready for a Disney film with even that level of nuance about feminism (women enforcing it, men also being trapped into marriages they aren't happy with ect.). Hell, I don't think Disney is even ready for that now. But damn if this comment doesn't make me want a feminist historical fiction inspired by Mulan (all versions) and Mulan 2 (Disney's) but aimed at adults. Complete with foot binding and all the other horrors of being a woman in that culture and time included. Preferably aimed at a Chinese audience but including a cultural explanation voice over so I (an ethically and culturally british gal) don't miss the all nuance. They could even include a subplot about Mulan being used as a propaganda tool to get men to enlist to reference the original stories purpose.
@Albinojackrussel Idk, the original Mulan was already ahead on this aspect. The idea that they sing a song about a "girl worth fighting for" thinking of wives who will serve them, then the song stops to reveal a destroyed village, where Mulan picks up a doll reminding us of the little girl in the beginning. That shit was WILD for a movie in its time, acknowledging not only the aggressive sexism of a man like the Emperor's advisor or whatever that dude is, but also the passive misogyny of protecting a woman for what she provides, ignoring the inherent value of her as a person even when she isn't a romantic possibility. I think someone who truly loved Mulan, and understood it, could have arrived at this theme even in the early 2000s when this sequel was made given the leap of progressiveness they were capable of when writing the original. It's plausible. It's also plausible I read into it too much and it was incidental that sequence went as it did 😂😂😂
maybe if they'd actually shown the men they were supposed to be marrying and depcited them as kinda scummy? that'd be a decent reason to be like "okay, this shouldn't go ahead"
Quasimodo not getting the girl is well-considered in the og film. The first positive relationship he ever has is with Esmeralda - that’s not a healthy place to begin a relationship of equals. The films deliberately contrasts how he and Frollo vies Esmeralda - one sees her as a temptress devil, the other as a heavenly angel. Neither is her. Only Phoebus operates on her level and can ‘spar’ with her, literally. At a key moment, Frollo tells Esmeralda to love him or burn. Quasi, on the other hand, relinquishes his jealousy of Phoebus and saves Esmeralda with no expectation of romance. The end of the film focuses on him joining hr people of Paris as one of them, accepted as an equal. Too many films offer women up as a means to ‘save’ men through romantic relationships. Or to give value to men who are otherwise ‘not valuable’. Getting the girl would’ve just reinforced that for Quasi. Instead, his growing maturity and compassion earned him acceptance and a rebirth of his very own. That’s so much better than a romance.
Yeah, totally agree. Esmerelda wasn't looking for a guy, she just wanted to be free. Letting her go was good writing. The girl from the sequel on the other had was very much shopping for a boyfriend.
I agree that it was the right way to go, but I also agree with Big Joel, if Quasimodo was an outcast for soley being a gypsy or something instead I don't imagine Disney would have went that route.
I absolutely 100% agree with this take, but I also understand, and hell, even agree with the disappointment of the ugly, disabled character not finding love. It isn't really something that happens particularly often in fiction so to see it not happen from the *one* company that really loves pairing up their protagonists ...? yeah, it does sting a wee bit. ultimately a good decision they didn't pair up quasi with esme, but still one that makes me go "huh, yeah, so when *will* they just let the ugly dude get the girl?" (or ugly girl get the guy, etc. etc.)
I 100%, no joke, owe my current career to Lion King 1 1/2. The special features on the DVD featured a “virtual safari” where you got in a little wildebeest ride vehicle and went through the story of the lion king as a theme park ride, except things went wrong. I vividly remember a scene where you enter a dark room and hear the hyenas laughing and see their eyes in the dark, then the work lights blink on and you see the eyes are just lights on sticks. I thought that was the coolest thing. Anyways, I work in lighting in themed entertainment now.
that sounds like the exact opposite of one of my favorite scary-movie tropes, which is when you get just a split-second glance of the monster or scary thing before being left in the dark with that knowledge
looks like he is one 'letter from the wife bearing bad news' away from digging up the crate of whisky he buried on the island.... somewhere... if he can just remember where...
"a lilo and stitch movie is good, proportionnal to how much lilo it has" truer words have never been spoken I love lilo and stitch, myself, but I have to agree that lilo is the reason you care about stitch
@@Schemilix you hadn't met my childhood cat Mimi before her murder, clearly. She loved hiding in the car and taking over the dashboard at the least convenient times.
@@IanDresarie I'm sorry Mimi died, though I have to say with the context, i briefly thought she commited a murder of a human and did time for it so you haven't seen her since...
I'm so glad Joel latched on to the "Ursula's Crazy Sister" line because its been seared in my brain for over a decade. I laughed so hard during the hunchback 2 portion of the video
It's stuck in my head too but I can't figure out why. Is it because it's exposition basically saying: "Sudden 2nd ursula! She's like ursula but crazy and we only remembered her just now! That's what we're doing this movie!"
@@codyxvasco592 that's exactly it! It's somehow both the laziest and most efficient explanation of a character ever. Also, I have to wonder, if she's Ursula's crazy sister, then do they consider Ursula to be....sane? Sea witch Ursula? Whole garden of condemned souls Ursula? She was the normal one in the family?
@Will N Its really sad that Mozenwrath's voice actor unalived himself. I always enjoyed the character when I watched the old Aladdin TV series as a child, and made an effort to watch the ones that he was in.
Who is craving like the review of JUST the Cinderella sequels and is sitting here like "Goddammit Joel, you seriously not gonna give me the timestamps so I don't have to sit through all this BS?!"
Lion King 2: Simbas Pride includes arguably the best song in a Disney sequel: "Not One of Us". If you ever felt like an outcast yourself, that one hits differently.
Oh yeah, that song slaps. Lullaby is also a dark banger, and Zira has always terrified me more than Scar. The power of hate hits harder than the power of envy.
You're right about the unmistakable vibe of Atlantis 2. It's not actually a promo for a TV show - it's the scrapped carcass of one! They started making the show, the original movie never quite performed, and they decided they'd slightly restructure and finish up the first three episodes and call it a sequel, so they could get at least SOME money out of their investment in the show. The rough edges are obvious and messy and exactly the kind of disaster you'd expect from its production story.
The scrapped TV show was to be titled _Team Atlantis._ Among the episodes scripted and voiced (but not animated) is a _Gargoyles_ crossover, with Marina Sirtis reprising her role as Demona.
@@davidlevy706 I hadn't heard about that! That's hilarious, and as a fan of both franchises, I'm sad we all missed out on something that would have been equal parts glorious and freaking goofy.
In a more perfect world, an Atlantis TV series would be a great opportunity to tell stories from different mythologies and expose kids to different cultures and their histories. However, I think that if the series happend in reality, the actual Disney would not have delt with the premise with the care and tact it would need to not turn into a cringefest though.
I think the Peter Pan 2 line about how Wendy hasn't really changed after growing up is meant to reassure Peter that he doesn't have to be afraid of aging, that he can hold onto the most important/meaningful parts of youth without maintaining youth as your physical state, and I dig it.
Yeah, I've never seen the film but in the book when he sees the adult Wendy it is kind of melancholy and he's a bit of a dick TBH, it's cool they included that
Cinderella 3 has the single best Disney clip ever made. King: “I forbid you to take ONE MORE STEP down these stairs!” Charming: “… Okay” _Jumps out the window next to him_
What do you mean "Aladdin is innocent"? He's married to the Sultan's daughter and he does nothing to help the poor! He's like the epitome of a class traitor.
@@alexbennet4195 how many times have cops stopped a murder or rape or theft _before_ it happened? They have no problem punishing people _after_ the fact (unless the perpatrator was a fellow cop), but the Supreme Court ruled back in 2006, I think, that it is literally not their job to protect people. They certainly enforce rules... for _some._
@@Silburific idk, don’t quote me on this, but I think there *might* have been a few occasions where people in danger of violence have used their mobile phones to call the police and, as a result… were saved from that violent threat? If that’s right your Supreme Court sounds absolutely wack tho (like wtf), but in most countries the explicit purpose of the police is (supposed to be) to serve and… literally “protect”??
Joel looks like he finally regained consciousness from a 3 day acid trip and this video is the recording of him recounting his visions like a ancient prophet
As someone who watched basically all of "Lilo and Stitch" the series, I know a lot about the different experiments that are in that battle scene… "crab stitch" as you call him is straight-up a theme park ride that I guess travels around the islands and spins people around all day. You know like those twister rides you see at every cheap carnival? Yeah that's the one place where he belongs. 10 / 10 great material.
Also the only reason Crab Stitch is that big is he got hit by a growth ray on accident. He is actually the size of a bug because he was created to crawl inside machinery and destroy it from the inside-out by snipping wires and stuff. Lilo just decided to leave him that big and serve as a replacement for one of the carnival rides he destroyed. So yeah, theres a lot going on with him.
27:40 "It's a movie with 15 minutes of absolute perfection, and the rest of it just exists to haunt you." Basically described 90% of all things that feature Tim Curry.
Hmmm... It, Muppet Treasure Island, Fern Gully, The Worst Witch, Red Alert 3, Scary Movie 2, Terry Pratchett's The Colour of Magic... I really think you're onto something
There are some exceptions. Darkwing Duck is one of them. Tim Curry was only in 2 episodes, and they're awesome, but the show itself is also great. With a few minor episodes that suck.
Just from the clips shown here, i think the reason the banter between quasimodo and his gf works is because the voice actor for the gf is absolutely nailing it. Just hearing her laugh makes me smile.
That’s Jennifer love Hewitt! She was my first crush as a kid lol and the only reason why little me watched it. She also did voice work in Tom Thumb and adult me still finds her fine af
The banter between her and Quasimodo also works I think because you don't expect Quasi to have a traditional romance or get all poetic or anything. He's having a crush, and she is too because she's been sheltered, and awkward conversation with giggles feels plausible for the two of them. Its pure puppy love. It's one of the few things I think that movie got right.
Regarding the lines: “You’ve changed” “Not really” I don’t think we’re meant to interpret that as “Wendy literally telling Peter Pan she didn’t grow and change as a person,” but rather, she is reassuring him that she’s still fond of him and the memories they shared. (Edited for grammar and clarity)
Looking at it now (I haven't seen the movie since it came out), my thought was that people don't usually feel like they've changed, it's usually external observation
I assumed it was she's grown but she is still a child at heart Like that Walt quote that goes something like "I don't make movies for children I make movies for the child inside all of us be they 6 or 60" Like she still believes in happiness, dreams, magic and stuff
I think it's fine that Quasimodo didn't end up with Esmeralda at the end of the first Notre Dame film. His conflict was never "I want to be loved by a woman", it was "I want to be accepted by other people, at least for a day." And in pursuing that goal, he not only gets accepted by the public but learns to love himself by the end of the film. And now that he loves himself, he's ready to be in a romantic relationship in the sequel. I find that beautiful. Also, I love the dialogue between Quasi and Madellaine. It reminds me of the silly things me and my girlfriend say to each other to makes each other laugh.
I agree that it's fine in the context of the movie, in fact from that perspectice it's good even. Quasimodo directly contrasts with Frollo, who feels entitled to Esmeralda's love. It's great. But looking at the whole Disney catalogue it is suspicious that for their one disabled character they had to write it in a way where he doesn't get a romantic partner at the end.
@@petermazug7704in the original story Esmeralda is in love with Cpt. Phoebus, that's probably why, although I can't REALLY speak as to why THoND doesn't follow the traditional Disney method
The original Pocahontas was frustrating enough with how much it erased from Matoaka’s actual life story, but for the second one to romanticize her “marriage” to John Rolfe was honestly awful, especially when you find out that before her kidnapping, she already had a husband and a child among her people. She became so depressed after being held captive by the English for about a month that they finally allowed her sisters to visit for the express purpose of stopping her from offing herself. Her father was desperate to see her before she was shipped away but was never allowed to, so instead (following tradition) he gave a pearl necklace to her captors to then be given to her as a gift for her upcoming “marriage” to Rolfe. I’m assuming this necklace was the inspiration for the one in the movie which just adds to the tone-deafness of it all. Her story after she got to England was just a horrific tragedy.
disney should donate all the profits from those movies to the powhatan people or, idk, at least fund some native-DRIVEN storytelling for a change. i know it's only a matter of time before they come for everyone's culture (including my own) and i'm really just hoping they at least find it's more profitable to not be... THIS bad about it? but it's a corporation, they tried to copyright dia de los muertos, etc etc
@@CaramelsDen you might be shocked to find out every story Disney stole had darker tones and themes yeah? in the little mermaid, she doesn't get her voice back. she just effin dies, turns into seafoam. unda da sea indeed. ik Pocahontas existed, but ffs lol - kid's movies? yeah let's add slavery, Stockholm syndrome and depression mmm mm mm 👌 like a chef's kiss
@@TemmiePlays maybe they simply shouldn't've tried to romanticize a real life kidnapping of an indigenous woman. maybe you should get it through your head that adapting history isn't the same as adapting fairy tales. idk.
@@lunarialoonatic It literally doesn't go against the wedding. It comes between the movie and the wedding short film, so it's more about the adventures that happen after the film ends but before they fully get hitched.
As someone who's seen (admittedly only the first season of) the cartoon it's not really like that, I think. Her dad bans her from leaving the kingdom out of fear for her safety- he's ultimately portrayed as misguided, but understandable. He's already lost her once and basically just got her back. He's not evil, he's scared. Also, the kingdom is pretty small, but "don't leave the country without my knowledge and permission" isn't that unreasonable of a request? Like, she's only 18. She travels within the kingdom on her own all the time in season one, too.
Fun fact: The “Pomp and Circumstance” sequence from _Fantasia 2000_ was mandated by Michael Eisner, then-CEO, against the wishes of the animators. He picked that song after attending his son’s graduation Source: _Disney War_
That whole book was infuriating to read. I've never encountered someone where I disagree with literally every decision that they've made. I also found katzenberg to be very relatable in the worst ways possible lol
29:30 I actually liked that Quasi doesn't end up with anyone at the end of the first. The entire arc of the first was about him moving past his dependencies on Frollo and on Esmerelda, his physical dependence on Frollo and emotional on Esmerelda.
Same, actually. They were EXCELLENT as best friends, such a great chemistry together and I'm glad her, Quasi, and Phoebus stayed just that - best friends.
@@Crasher1982Phoebus and Esmerelda were very much a romantic item by the end of the film. That was the only real issue I had with how they ended up. I think quasi not ending up with Esmerelda makes sense and is probably the healthiest decision for them. But her and Phoebus getting together felt really weird and unnecessary to me.
@@michaelslowmin No, quite the opposite in fact. Though Quasi isn't necessarily a major character for much of the book; no, the book itself is entirely about architecture and the cathedral itself. Victor Hugo wrote it specifically because Notre Dame was crumbling, and he succeeded- our modern conception of historical preservation can be traced back to him! Spoiler warning: The book is a tragedy, Phoebus is evil and while Frollo is also bad, he's a complicated character who's trying to save his brother from a life of crime. Quasi has very few words spoken through the entire book, but my favorite character is the Hugo self-insert guy who loves architecture. There's also some incredible lines (as is typical of Victor Hugo), like "This will kill that, the book will kill the cathedral", in reference to how literature and public education removed the necessity for massive public works (architecture) for the illiterate masses.
Disney is a bunch of cowards for not doing the actual 101 Dalmatians sequel, which is about dogs becoming sentient after humanity wipes itself out, and then they fight aliens in another dimension... or something. I don't remember the particulars, but it's absolutely insane what that author thought a sequel to a book about two dogs and a bunch of puppies should be about.
0:22 - Atlantis: Milo's Return 2:16 - The Lion King 1½ 3:13 - The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning 5:17 - 101 Dalmatians II: Patch's London Adventure 7:35 - Bambi II 10:36 - Return to Never Land 13:05 - Mulan II 16:18 - Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World 19:24 - The Fox and the Hound 2 20:37 - An Extremely Goofy Movie 24:04 - Tarzan & Jane 24:25 - Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas 28:01 - The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea 29:13 - The Hunchback of Notre Dame II 32:10 - Kronk's New Groove 33:26 - Tangled: Before Ever After 34:04 - Ralph Breaks the Internet 38:45 - The Jungle Book 2 39:42 - Cinderella II: Dreams Come True 42:56 - Brother Bear 2 44:24 - Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure 47:10 - Cinderella III: A Twist in Time 49:49 - Frozen 2 50:09 - The Return of Jafar 51:41 - Aladdin and the King of Thieves 52:07 - Fantasia 2000 59:58 - The Rescuers Down Under 1:01:47 - Belle's Magical World 1:04:51 - The Lion King II: Simba's Pride 1:05:25 - Hercules: Zero to Hero 1:06:51 - Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch 1:08:06 - Stitch: The Movie 1:08:27 - Leroy & Stitch 1:09:31 - Tarzan 2
I’m not sure the scene with Wendy and Peter was supposed to be her “placating” him. I think she meant that at her core, she was still fundamentally the same, even if she’s grown up. A caring, kind, responsible, and hopeful woman, just as she was in her youth, even if she has a different outlook and responsibilities in life.
That relationship between Goofy and Max in the sequel actually reminds me of the way Adventure Time wrote Jake the Dog after his kids grew up. I think that show was actually trying to make the point that some adults never actually learn and can be pretty selfish even if they’re not intentionally harming their kids. I always appreciated it for sticking to that.
This was my thought too. There is actually a kind of byline that goes through both about the perception of children of their parents and vice-vesa. We just see that change as Max ages.
@@zogwort1522 I get the feeling whatever makes you like something really varies from person to person. I may not get like half of what they're referencing but one can still appreciate small references and details in a movie, which is what CinemaWins enjoys doing.
My favorite part about Cinderella 3 is the fact that Prince Charming leaps out of a window with zero hesitation. It's a moment that has stuck with me for my entire life.
I think what peter pan 2's overall message was is that even after you've grown and gone through horrific events and become an adult, you can still retain the wonders of childhood shown by wendy flying as well as regaining it after losing it shown by jane
Honestly return to Neverland is a comfort movie of mine. Maybe it’s bc I relate to Jane who had to grow up too fast and was unable to really be a kid. And hearing her mom talk about Peter Pan obviously made her annoyed bc she can’t remember a world anymore full of magic and stories. Her life is centered around the war. The song I Try makes me emotional and just fits the movie too. It’s a redundant movie for sure but Jane resonates with me and I like how in the end she lets herself be a kid and believe (same result as the first Peter Pan). Like Wendy said “you may have grown up but there’s still a lot you don’t know.” Being an adult doesn’t mean you have to put away childish things and loose the magic
genuinely surprised to learn that folks saw Ralph as Vanellope's father figure, Ralph reads way more as a brother or even an older cousin character imo
Until the end where he's making slow motion goo goo eyes at her, and then they're going on double dates with Fix it and his wife. That aspect of the second movie seems realistic, that she would get annoyed at how he keeps trying to create an emotional closeness she's not interested in, so she wants to get away, although not permanently, as he was a good friend before. And... he's 30, she's 6. It's pretty weird to want to hang out and confide in a kid when you're almost middle aged. Btw I didn't catch any of this when I saw the movie when it came out. It wasn't until I watched it 10+ years later with my kids that I realized Ralph, despite meaning well, is pretty effed up and needs therapy.
Say what you will about the plot, Bambi 2 has the most GORGEOUS animation of any direct to video sequel. You can tell a lot of love went into it from the animators. When you consider the lower budget and smaller team that worked on it, it's visually stunning.
most of the badly animated movies were all tv series as pilots and whatnot to test reception to continued stories the third Aladdin film just stayed a tv series tho. lower quality usually means direct to dvd as Disney did a lot of at the time, or they were putting it on cable tv - where drops in quality were acceptable. Bambi (2?) breaks this trend bc it actually had a theatrical release
@thebottomtext the reason why it looks so good(compared to the other sequels) is because they went out of their way to replicate the original (just not in plot, cause the original didn't have one)
Honestly, one of my dreams is to find out which person in the Aladdin 2 writer's room said, "Iago needs TWO musical numbers." Unironically one of my heroes.
I feel like Wendy saying she hasn't really changed rather implies that she has, despite growing up and becoming a mother, retained a sense of wonder. She's still a child at heart - Her trying to convince Peter that the real world is like Neverland doesn't hold water for me :/
that's why she can still fly. how does nobody pick up on that? it's displayed in the Robin Williams Hook movie. when you grow up you can't believe in fairies which means you can't fly bc you lost the childlike wonder. but Wendy was flying np
I don't know if finding a working VCR in a thrift shop would have been easier or more difficult but the choice to physically mail a VHS to Dan Olson to get it digitized just really delighted me. Now the movie's been salvaged from a decaying format and whether you distribute it somehow or not, you've bought it a few more years to exist in this world!
I think you may be overlooking stuff with the goofy movie sequel. The original was about Max and his dad fixing and reestablishing their relationship after what's heavily implied to be the death of Goofy's wife/Max's mother. It's never said out loud or directly addressed, but that is what the movie is going for. The sequel is about Goofy needing now to not only allow Max to grow up, but also for himself to finally move on. It is why he has a love interest in the film. It's more than Goofy getting past empty nest syndrome but to get to a point where he can rediscover what it means to be himself, and not just Max's dad.
So! Since you want more info on the giant crab experiment, lemme tell ya! His name is Shortstuff and yes he used to be short, his whole purpose was to infiltrate and destroy machines and electronics. The shortstuff episode was basically "stitch learns to accept that he's short" including a raygun that shortstuff sabotaged and ended up becoming giant himself. He also never got shrunken back even though jumba had the ability to do so, instead he became an amusement park ride.
the amount of adrenaline that courses through my veins every time someone talks about the Peter Pan sequel is enough to kill a horse it's my favorite Disney movie
I gotta mentally prepare myself every time a Return to Neverland review pops up because they either just don't get it or they just disrespect it because it's a Disney sequel 😭 I'm a Return to Neverland defender.
@@JC20XX Ypu say that like it's a bad thing, as if the slop we are served nowadays isn't infinitely worse than the prequels/disney direct to VHS yeah I am a bit biased, but actual risks were taken for some of these films, and that is on itself worthy of more recognition than the entirety lion king 2019 and ROS
Fun fact: The “bully” deer with the little nub antlers in Bambi 2 is canonically the same deer Bambi fights in the first movie. Useless info but still kinda cool that Disney included that subtle connection without making it too on the nose.
big respect to both of you and i understand this could just be my own damage but knowing ANYTHING about the rival deer from Bambi 2 just triggers so many alarms in my brain
That was literally the only thing I enjoyed about Bambi 2. I loved that he was a little shithead. And somehow I knew he was the same asshole deer from the original.
Mulan being so adamantly against arranged marriages also doesn't track with the first movie in which there is an entire song where she is going to be entered into an arranged marriage and she is fine with it. Her conflict in the first movie isn't that she thinks arranged marriages are wrong it's that she is not suited to be the kind of wife they are trying to mold her into. I could see her developing a slight resentment for the concept after everything she went through in the first film and wanting to show the princesses that they can be more than just wives but her being horrified by it makes no sense. Also the way she talks about it doesn't suggest that she is upset about it because the princesses are capable of more than getting married She just wants them to marry people they "actually love" Which like i said is not the aspect of arranged marriage that her character should be worried about... Also mushu's Motivations make no sense... He is only buying himself like 60 years max if mulan doesn't get pregnant... she can't clone herself like an amoeba dumbass if she doesn't have kids the family line ends anyway...
I actually really like the Goofy sequel because it feels like it acknowledges the previous movie properly. Like, it's a surprisingly mature writing choice from Disney, because instead of just rehashing a similar relationship of Max and Goofy where the two just fight all the time, it's pretty cool to see that the son has mellowed out of his teenage angst and is generally pretty chill with his dad, which shows Goofy to be the overprotective goof that he always was. I see Joel's point of how unsettling it feels to watch Goofy be the moral villain of the Goofy series, but I like that Max's arc is generally completed, but life still goes on, and the sequel sort of shows what happens after that. Still disappointed that Roxanne isn't in the movie or even mentioned as like the ex that the family never forgets. I think it would have given more meat behind the sequel vibe for ALL the notable characters to be mentioned.
I love this video because Joel just wastes no time between videos. Absolutely no warning, no transition whatsoever, no tonal shift, just on to the next opinion, the next movie. We Stan an efficiency KING 👏👑😍
14:57 mushu’s change also devalues his whole arc in the first movie. he grows to care more about Mulan and her wellbeing then his position, becoming a true guardian and friend to her
43:42 "Who exactly in this movie is attracted to bears?" is one of those major thesis statements I wish had the courage to present to a college professor.
Glad Huge Joel pointed out the gay love making scene from 1919's Lion King 1.5 showing that Disney has been gay and woke long before Florida got gay wrecked by them.
i HAVE actually seen all of the Tangled TV show and so i am obligated to report that it is one of the most insane freak viewing experiences ive ever had, Tangled the series is mostly a sea of the most baby of baby episode premises (there are multiple "animal mascots team up to save the day" episodes because they keep adding so many animal mascots) intermingled with an overarching narrative that is insane and thematically anti monarchy positioning the power imbalance of the role of princess as inherently harmful to any relationships an individual of that station might hold, and thats all well and good but what makes it truly freak fiction is that the higher ups are clearly breathing down the necks of the people making those parts because the show can never go all in on acknowledging what the show is about, so a villain will walk on screen, explain to Rapunzel that she is a horrible unempathetic freak who is blind to the wants and needs of the people she calls her friends and incapable of acknowledging the risk to their safety the social power she wielding over them is to their wellbeing, and with no rebuttal to the completely reasonable reading of the character based on the events of the show the villain will go "actually you dont need to listen to my scathing critique of you Rapunzel im actually just evil" and the show can never develop rapunzel further because shes a weird mascot character. on top of all of this the creator of the show seems almost unanimously hated by the staff from what ive seen and after making tangled the series he went to work at the daily wire to go make right wing propaganda. after completing the show for the first time i created 2 filler lists that cut out half of the episodes of the show so i could actually show it to people so theyd believe me when i talk about how weird it is and no one has noticed the missing episodes really because there is some TRUE filler in this thing, like one episode ends with them going down a dirt road, the next episode opens with them on a 4 episode arc where they are on a raft and crash land on an island and have an island adventure and then they show up in a port city after escaping the island AND THEN after that episode ends the next episode opens with them on the dirt road from 5 episodes prior everyone ive managed to get to watch up to episode 16 of season 1 however has been locked in for the full ride because that episode is completely unhinged and brings to the forefront a lot of the anti monarchy themes the show toys with across its run. i dont know if ive got a wider point that i can compact down into a single comment but i need anyone reading this to know of my burden as the tangled the series understander
my favorite part about tangled the series is that they gave rapunzel a hot and tortured retainer with whom she has a complicated and fraught relationship (romance novel) AND they gave eugene a trashy bestest childhood friend and gave them that big goofy musical number about how they're the bestest of friends and can never be separated in the episode with the evil plant (they have fucked like at least twice) and they still expect you to believe that this is a show that naturally leads to rapunzel and eugene getting married
I know I'm late but if you have the non-filler list still, PLEASE let me know what it is. my friend, quite a while ago, made me watch the entire series with her, and by the time we'd waded through all the boring filler, my mind was so numb that I didn't really absorb the batshit moments as much as I WANTED to. I've been mildly curious to rewatch but I do not want to get through the filler again lol
Just came here to say we kinda glossed over the fact that Disney somehow got Robin Williams to come back and voice the Genie in Aladdin 3, which is wild.
The bell is cool in Hunchback. Not just aesthetically, but thematically. Just literally beauty on the inside. Doesn't have to be deep for a kids flick.
Goth Tim Curry CGI Piano is the part I remember the most from The Enchanted Christmas and I'm so glad you talked about him. I had the movie on VHS as a kid and Goth Tim Curry CGI Piano scared the crap out of me. I think the CGI just hit that uncanny valley for me as a child and freaked me out, so at the time I couldn't really appreciate how great it is that his motivation is him wanting to be able to play his gloomy organ music forever. The character feels kind of out of place, like the writers felt like the conflict between Belle and the Beast wasn't enough and they needed to throw in a big scary villain for it to be a real movie. Admittedly, he steals the show and ends up being the most notable thing about that sequel.
Extremely Goofy Movie is mostly Goofy's movie in my opinion, it's him learning to be a person again and not just "Max's parent." I think there's a lot of parents that can relate to it.
Some day, i will write my Goofy Movie universe thesis, but I'll try not to write it here. Goofy isn't just clingy, he's genuinely suffering from an attachment disorder. There are hints throughout the movie that make it weirdly dark. For example, the height of disco was ~1978-1979, Goofy went to collage in the 70's and has heavily disco-influenced memories. He was only there for three years, meaning he likely had to leave in 1981, the year his son was born. He also says that the date he has with Sophie is the best night of his life. Disney's always taken the hard stance that Max never had a mother, but the canon indicates she either died or left the family, leaving Goofy a single dad before he had a chance to graduate. There are some other examples, like when Pete, his high school friend, scoffs at the idea of Goofy ever having been married in the cartoon. Mickey's not allowed to have his own personality in many Disney properties, and Goofy gets to have generational family trauma. It's just so fascinating to me.
In the older Cartoons Micky's personality of a curious naive trickster ,basically the Fool Card of the Tarot. At times he is also the MC of the trio. Daffy is the worldly asshole reactive And Goofy is well, the slow witted but big heart guy. Their personalities have morphed and changed over the eras but roughly they always fall into something similar to those three archetypes. What I find interesting is the reusing of Pete (the cat) in various relationships When it's just Micky, Pete is violent to murderous. He genuinely wants to kill Mickey When its the Trio, hes a villain but usually by scheming or intimation. But with just Goofy, hes just an asshole neighbor. Which is fascinating. Predator respects Predator (?) And Daffy and Pete do not have a one on one relationship. And I completely agree Goofy's personality in all the Goof Troop related media is of a very broken man.
@@thesinfultictac5704 Regarding Mickey: In animation, he's largely acting. There are some standalone stories about him and his adventures, but most of the ones I've seen had him playing a role. He's a wizard, or a prince, or a musksteer. In the comics, he's very different, usually a fairly competent private investigator of some kind with recurring villains (including Pete). I'm sure there are exceptions, but the most easily accessible media seems to follow this pattern.
One very important thing: Belle accepts and acts on that love after she's been freed. When asked about it by her father she sees him as a friend and fully realizes her attraction at the end
I've been scrolling down reading the comments and it bothers me that no one has said anything of Joel's singing of Phil Collins and subsequent " *He fucking gets it, man. He-he's living it* " at 01:09:55 It killed me, man. He truly is living it.
Milo’s Return WAS three finished episodes of an Atlantis show that got cancelled when the movie didn’t hit the box office numbers they were hoping for. It was gonna cross over with Gargoyles at some point though so there’s that.
Atlantis: Milo’s Return makes me upset because *it had potential*. If it had gotten to be a full show, and if it was given a bit more love and care, it could’ve been pretty decent. Some things were definitely weird [such as the sand coyotes] but I could see them taking the show in a good direction if people just… cared a bit more? Maybe I’m biased as I adore the actual film, especially all the characters and their dynamics, but it’s just a tad heartbreaking when I see the remnants of a show that could’ve been actually good.
Now I wish the show had succeeded, just so I could see how they intended to have the cast cross over with Gargoyles 80 years before the Gargoyles were freed from their stone. XD
@@lancerguy3667 OMG TRUE I never thought of that part. Like. 1914 meets 1994??? I never watched Gargoyles but I’ve seen people post about it and there’s definitely somewhat of a tonal difference between the two franchises, so I really wonder what the people in the writer’s room were thinking.
In Mulan 2, Mulan is against, maybe even horrified about the idea of arranged marriage. . . As though she wasn't getting ready and studying to meet HER matchmaker and make a good first impression. Canonically written in the same year. 😂 It's like the story writers hadn't even seen the first film.
Yeah, she was getting ready for it, because she thought it was her duty, not because it was something she was ok with. The whole premise of her character is that she's a woman who wants to live a life that reflects her personality, not the one set out for her by others.
Of all the things about Mulan you could say, you picked the ONE thing about the first film that Mulan did only grudgingly because she believed it was the only way for her to bring honor her family, and very very visibly reluctant and uncomfortable about her role as a woman in her society? Did YOU watch the first film, or did you skip the intro sequence or something? Did you miss the look of unease she had the whole matchmaker song?
I feel like Mulan being against arranged marriages is pretty in character, considering the stress she went through in the first movie not fitting into expectations and the match-maker actively hating her, contrasted with the happiness she felt finding someone who loved her for who she is, without fitting into her traditional role
Sure but I’ve known people in analogous situations w similar reactions and she doesn’t act like them, she acts exactly like every white woman who finds out her foreign neighbor and her husband were set up by their parents and starts trying to emancipate her w Codmo magazines or some shit
I feel like it's also about how she can't accept that arranged marriages can work sometimes. That she doesn't believe that the girls can be happy when they're being married off
13:42 Looking at that map on the table, it seems like Mulan's China only comprises the land north of the Huai river. So that puts her squarely in the Jurcheon Jin dynasty, and the "Kingdom of Qi Gong" in the Ordos loop could only be the Tangut kingdom Xi Xia. If this were the Ming dynasty, the map would include southern China. So I guess it's canon that Mulan contributed to the Mongol conquest.
The one big thing that could've made Cinderella III even better would be if the baker had more of a presence in the story besides just the end credits. The baker is adorable.
I've watched a lot of videos reviewing Disney sequels as they were a big part of my childhood. I appreciate that you're the first reviewer I've seen tackle these films in a completely random, chaotic order.
Pomp and circumstance in there because Michael Eisner heard it at his son's high School graduation and demanded that it be included in Fantasia 2000. It got to the point where he threatened Roy Disney that he would can the whole project if they didn't include this number. The original version was a thousand times weirder though. He basically wanted to have all the Disney princesses show up with babies, and do like a weird shared baptism thing. Luckily all the executives he told that idea to told him it was the worst idea they'd ever heard. Mainly, they didn't want the implication that Disney princesses were having sex.
It would age terribly as well, because like half of the modern princesses would be absent, and he would have to choose to either canonize pocahontas 2 or directly condtradict it (which would be really funny honestly) cause she just gotta have a baby babyyyyy
Fun Fact, Djali the goat is actually a male, so depending on how you look at it the gargoyle in love with him is one of the first ever explicitly gay Disney characters!
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Big Joel: Hates comic relief bird characters
Also Big Joel: Likes that there’s a whole movie about Iago
Because Iago is blessed. Gilbert Godfried’s touch puts him on a level that no other comic relief bird can reach
it's in his name. he's large. he contains multitudes.
Gilbert Gottfried was just that charismatic
What they said. Also Gilbert went on to be one of my favorite TV characters of all time, Digit from Cyberchase, also known as comic relief bird character 😂
Iago is the only one who was tolerable to be fair
as a hunchback of notre dame 2 stan/scholar i can't believe you left out how the giant bell is beautiful on the INSIDE as one of the great hunchback of notre dame 2 moments
La fidèle... 🔔
LINDSAYYYYYY
So deep…. Says a lot about society
Never saw the movie, did see the design in this video. Jewels inside a bell, bell would destroy the hell out of those and would sound like shit. 10/10 perfect metaphor
@@CHUCKLZLORD it’s the normal expectations and requirements of everyday life that will ultimately destroy the beauty within us all. And we all sound like shit. 😌
Joel looks like he watched the 34 sequels in a row and didn't take a nap before recording this video. Legend.
This is how almost all white dudes, age 27-28, look.
EDIT: I say this as a disheveled albeit ""charming"" white dude in his late 20s--so I am told.
Thats a very specific way of describing what Joel looks like most of the time. Very much on point though.
I literally don't know how he gets his hair like that.
Joel always looks like that, remember him thriving at the opera?
@@Gamerkat10 electric sockets.
Ariel's mom having enough time to gasp in disbelief *twice* before her imminent and very contrived death is the funniest thing in the world
That’s my biggest gripe with death scenes like that. Either make their death totally unavoidable, or tragically accidental, don’t draw it out.
She was self-aware and knew she was in a prequel
Couldn't move. She knew she was in a canon moment.
@@megib901. Lol, she gets locked in place by the animators while thinking “shit, shit, shit why can’t I move?!”
Dude. Tens of merqueens die every year to slow boat crashes.
We as a society need to hold Mushu accountable for his crimes
Time to make some mushu "pork"
I agree that he needs to be held accountable, but he is a freaky demon by circumstance and we should take that into consideration during sentencing.
I don't know who that was, but that was NOT Mushu!
Wasn't he only in this situation at all bc he was being punished? how tf do you punish a guy for his punishment
@@sigh824 death
I like how Joel just decided to talk about these movies in a completely random order with no segways between them
I love every time he does really in depth about a particular movie he likes and then in the next sentence is talking about some other random garbage movie.
More creators should feel no obligation to give creative diarrhea the time for exposition. This is the kind of analysis served sloppy-style that is deserved
I also like how many times he says self contradicting statements about how this movie is the worst, this is the best, this is the only S tier, this is the only Disney sequel that justifies its existence, etc etc when I'm pretty sure he's said that before, possibly multiple times
It honestly feels like he started ranting at one of his friends about this, stopped midsentence and said 'Wait,.should I be filming this? I should film this.' and just left his friend standing there without another word, for them to resume their life.
For a bit I thought it was alphabetical, since he started with Atlantis...but it was not.
My favourite thing about the Hunchback sequel is that it actually makes a lot of sense that Quasimodo, after the drama of saving a girl from being burned at the stake by a horny old man who also killed his mother, really just wants an average girl to vibe with.
One of the most natural, down to earth romances Disney has ever made. Too bad the movie it was attached to is so sub par.
Joel casually but confidently saying that Timon and Pumbaa "make love" really makes me laugh
That’s an archaic usage if I’ve ever seen one
Mulan would understand the nuances of a political marriage. She was vying for an arrangement in the beginning to honor her family. I think it'd be a better movie if SHANG was the one that was uneasy with the concept. Shang did think less of Mulan as a misogynist, so did the other guys it'd be more meaningful if he was the one who now, even presented by dainty and obedient princesses, is concerned for their autonomy. It would both show us his growth, and give us an interesting arc. I'm not sure how you'd fully justify either of them thinking that Defecting on a mission that would avoid a war though. The ending is goofy, though that bit about Mulan taking the place of the princesses was good.
o.o
Right? Hell, imagine Mulan actually being the voice in favor of the arranged marriage, not because she thinks it's some inherently good thing, but because it's *practical*. They've both been to war, like hell Mulan's going to let anyone else go through what she and Shang both did, or let any other villages get burned down like that one she and her comrades saw.
This is a great idea, but it's also a very 2010's 2020's idea. 2004 wasn't ready for a Disney film with even that level of nuance about feminism (women enforcing it, men also being trapped into marriages they aren't happy with ect.).
Hell, I don't think Disney is even ready for that now.
But damn if this comment doesn't make me want a feminist historical fiction inspired by Mulan (all versions) and Mulan 2 (Disney's) but aimed at adults. Complete with foot binding and all the other horrors of being a woman in that culture and time included. Preferably aimed at a Chinese audience but including a cultural explanation voice over so I (an ethically and culturally british gal) don't miss the all nuance. They could even include a subplot about Mulan being used as a propaganda tool to get men to enlist to reference the original stories purpose.
@Albinojackrussel Idk, the original Mulan was already ahead on this aspect.
The idea that they sing a song about a "girl worth fighting for" thinking of wives who will serve them, then the song stops to reveal a destroyed village, where Mulan picks up a doll reminding us of the little girl in the beginning. That shit was WILD for a movie in its time, acknowledging not only the aggressive sexism of a man like the Emperor's advisor or whatever that dude is, but also the passive misogyny of protecting a woman for what she provides, ignoring the inherent value of her as a person even when she isn't a romantic possibility.
I think someone who truly loved Mulan, and understood it, could have arrived at this theme even in the early 2000s when this sequel was made given the leap of progressiveness they were capable of when writing the original. It's plausible.
It's also plausible I read into it too much and it was incidental that sequence went as it did 😂😂😂
maybe if they'd actually shown the men they were supposed to be marrying and depcited them as kinda scummy? that'd be a decent reason to be like "okay, this shouldn't go ahead"
Quasimodo not getting the girl is well-considered in the og film. The first positive relationship he ever has is with Esmeralda - that’s not a healthy place to begin a relationship of equals. The films deliberately contrasts how he and Frollo vies Esmeralda - one sees her as a temptress devil, the other as a heavenly angel. Neither is her. Only Phoebus operates on her level and can ‘spar’ with her, literally. At a key moment, Frollo tells Esmeralda to love him or burn. Quasi, on the other hand, relinquishes his jealousy of Phoebus and saves Esmeralda with no expectation of romance. The end of the film focuses on him joining hr people of Paris as one of them, accepted as an equal.
Too many films offer women up as a means to ‘save’ men through romantic relationships. Or to give value to men who are otherwise ‘not valuable’. Getting the girl would’ve just reinforced that for Quasi. Instead, his growing maturity and compassion earned him acceptance and a rebirth of his very own. That’s so much better than a romance.
And also Madeline and him just mesh better personality wise, their senses of humor are remarkably similar for example
Yeah, totally agree. Esmerelda wasn't looking for a guy, she just wanted to be free. Letting her go was good writing. The girl from the sequel on the other had was very much shopping for a boyfriend.
I agree that it was the right way to go, but I also agree with Big Joel, if Quasimodo was an outcast for soley being a gypsy or something instead I don't imagine Disney would have went that route.
I absolutely 100% agree with this take, but I also understand, and hell, even agree with the disappointment of the ugly, disabled character not finding love. It isn't really something that happens particularly often in fiction so to see it not happen from the *one* company that really loves pairing up their protagonists ...? yeah, it does sting a wee bit. ultimately a good decision they didn't pair up quasi with esme, but still one that makes me go "huh, yeah, so when *will* they just let the ugly dude get the girl?" (or ugly girl get the guy, etc. etc.)
@@princeapoopoo5787 in media, but especially animation it seems we're lucky if they even depict an ugly (main) character
Cinderella 3 is unironically my favorite Disney sequel because of the scene where the prince jumps out the window. I can't believe you didn't show it.
It would just be redundant since the internet has already memed the hell out of it
@@morbidsearch I’ve never seen it
Thanks, I just looked it up
For me it's also the best Cinderella
@@morbidsearch it’s not near as big a meme as it should be.
Hearing the voice of Marge Simpson come out of anything other than Marge Simpson has shaken me to my very core.
time stamp?
@@Naka-wc3yo2:43
dude and then the character with patrick’s voice caught me so off guard
@@omnimonium time stamp?
@@Naka-wc3yo Just watch the bit on Lion King 1 & 1/2. It's marked on the video's timeline. That or just scan through it. It doesn't take THAT long.
I 100%, no joke, owe my current career to Lion King 1 1/2. The special features on the DVD featured a “virtual safari” where you got in a little wildebeest ride vehicle and went through the story of the lion king as a theme park ride, except things went wrong. I vividly remember a scene where you enter a dark room and hear the hyenas laughing and see their eyes in the dark, then the work lights blink on and you see the eyes are just lights on sticks. I thought that was the coolest thing.
Anyways, I work in lighting in themed entertainment now.
that sounds like the exact opposite of one of my favorite scary-movie tropes, which is when you get just a split-second glance of the monster or scary thing before being left in the dark with that knowledge
I thought this was a false memory I'm glad it's real
holy shit! nice
I love seeing comments like these, what a great formative memory. Thank you for sharing!
thank you for unlocking that childhood trauma in me
I've never seen this creator before. All I see is that he watched all 34 Disney sequels and that his hair is wild. I'm watching this.
Welcome to the Joel club
Same- and it didn't disappoint!
He’s Like That
I reccomend you watch some of his other stuff, including the second channel
welcome to big joel
I love how joel looks increasingly unhinged, and this is gonna go on for an hour!? I'm ready
But… but… he already started quite unhinged D:
He looks out of control
He looks like a tumbleweed
It's great, because he looks how I feel.
looks like he is one 'letter from the wife bearing bad news' away from digging up the crate of whisky he buried on the island.... somewhere... if he can just remember where...
"a lilo and stitch movie is good, proportionnal to how much lilo it has"
truer words have never been spoken
I love lilo and stitch, myself, but I have to agree that lilo is the reason you care about stitch
Without Lilo, Stitch is just a feral quasi-sentient monstrosity hellbent on destruction after all.
@@Schemilixno that's just a cat and the Internet loves cats.
@@Backinblackbunny009 True, though cats don't tend to car jack. Yet.
@@Schemilix you hadn't met my childhood cat Mimi before her murder, clearly. She loved hiding in the car and taking over the dashboard at the least convenient times.
@@IanDresarie I'm sorry Mimi died, though I have to say with the context, i briefly thought she commited a murder of a human and did time for it so you haven't seen her since...
2:48 Watching Pumbaa repeatedly encircle his bed was one of the most powerful psychological experiences I've ever been through
I'm so glad Joel latched on to the "Ursula's Crazy Sister" line because its been seared in my brain for over a decade. I laughed so hard during the hunchback 2 portion of the video
Real ones remember lindsay Ellis’s Disney sequels video from ten years ago.
It's stuck in my head too but I can't figure out why. Is it because it's exposition basically saying: "Sudden 2nd ursula! She's like ursula but crazy and we only remembered her just now! That's what we're doing this movie!"
@@codyxvasco592 that's exactly it! It's somehow both the laziest and most efficient explanation of a character ever. Also, I have to wonder, if she's Ursula's crazy sister, then do they consider Ursula to be....sane? Sea witch Ursula? Whole garden of condemned souls Ursula? She was the normal one in the family?
Its a minor trend in sequel media for Disney and once you notice its kind of funny. Because you also have Kovu, Scar's Heir, and Mozenwrath, Jafar Jr.
@Will N Its really sad that Mozenwrath's voice actor unalived himself. I always enjoyed the character when I watched the old Aladdin TV series as a child, and made an effort to watch the ones that he was in.
The fearless vision of this man to forego timestamps. We are supposed to watch this chronologically in one sitting as he intended
This is a director’s cut
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!
It is a test of endurance. Not for the faint of heart.
As Scorsese would have wanted
Who is craving like the review of JUST the Cinderella sequels and is sitting here like "Goddammit Joel, you seriously not gonna give me the timestamps so I don't have to sit through all this BS?!"
Lion King 2: Simbas Pride includes arguably the best song in a Disney sequel: "Not One of Us". If you ever felt like an outcast yourself, that one hits differently.
Oh yeah, that song slaps. Lullaby is also a dark banger, and Zira has always terrified me more than Scar. The power of hate hits harder than the power of envy.
not one of us has been stuck in my head since i was eleven years old
Boo hoo another loner on UA-cam who thinks he’s special because he’s a loner
You're right about the unmistakable vibe of Atlantis 2. It's not actually a promo for a TV show - it's the scrapped carcass of one! They started making the show, the original movie never quite performed, and they decided they'd slightly restructure and finish up the first three episodes and call it a sequel, so they could get at least SOME money out of their investment in the show. The rough edges are obvious and messy and exactly the kind of disaster you'd expect from its production story.
The scrapped TV show was to be titled _Team Atlantis._ Among the episodes scripted and voiced (but not animated) is a _Gargoyles_ crossover, with Marina Sirtis reprising her role as Demona.
@@davidlevy706 I hadn't heard about that! That's hilarious, and as a fan of both franchises, I'm sad we all missed out on something that would have been equal parts glorious and freaking goofy.
In a more perfect world, an Atlantis TV series would be a great opportunity to tell stories from different mythologies and expose kids to different cultures and their histories.
However, I think that if the series happend in reality, the actual Disney would not have delt with the premise with the care and tact it would need to not turn into a cringefest though.
this hjappened to star wars too, didn't it
Joel's tone of voice makes everything he says impossible for me to tell if its genuine or not, and I like it that way
This comment is also improved by reading it in Joel's voice!
Yes
I think the Peter Pan 2 line about how Wendy hasn't really changed after growing up is meant to reassure Peter that he doesn't have to be afraid of aging, that he can hold onto the most important/meaningful parts of youth without maintaining youth as your physical state, and I dig it.
Yeah, I've never seen the film but in the book when he sees the adult Wendy it is kind of melancholy and he's a bit of a dick TBH, it's cool they included that
Cinderella 3 has the single best Disney clip ever made.
King: “I forbid you to take ONE MORE STEP down these stairs!”
Charming: “… Okay” _Jumps out the window next to him_
Cinderella 3 in general is a masterpiece
“Let’s beat her with it”
LEGEND
*”BUT THE TALKING MICE SAY SHES THE WRONG GIRL”*
too many iconic quotes:
"hold the trumpet!"
"LETS BEAT HER WITH IT"
"Go get em twinkle toes!"
"But the talking mice say shes the wrong girl!"
try as you might, old man, but you’ll never surpass little joel
little joel is the people's tiny hero!
"the future is now old man" - Little Joel to Big Joel
If you look behind the curtain i am sure little Joel and big Joel are friends. In fact I would love to see a Collab between the two of them.
@@titania396 their collab channel absolutely needs to be named "Average Joel"
this joel is simply too large to ever be considered legitimate
What do you mean "Aladdin is innocent"? He's married to the Sultan's daughter and he does nothing to help the poor! He's like the epitome of a class traitor.
Oh, come on. We don't have to turn everything into Discourse.
@@LimeyLassen We don't have to take every comment seriously either.
@@washada but actual cops also enforce important and good laws too, like the ones forbidding people from literally murdering each other?
@@alexbennet4195 how many times have cops stopped a murder or rape or theft _before_ it happened? They have no problem punishing people _after_ the fact (unless the perpatrator was a fellow cop), but the Supreme Court ruled back in 2006, I think, that it is literally not their job to protect people. They certainly enforce rules... for _some._
@@Silburific idk, don’t quote me on this, but I think there *might* have been a few occasions where people in danger of violence have used their mobile phones to call the police and, as a result… were saved from that violent threat? If that’s right your Supreme Court sounds absolutely wack tho (like wtf), but in most countries the explicit purpose of the police is (supposed to be) to serve and… literally “protect”??
Joel looks like he finally regained consciousness from a 3 day acid trip and this video is the recording of him recounting his visions like a ancient prophet
As someone who watched basically all of "Lilo and Stitch" the series, I know a lot about the different experiments that are in that battle scene… "crab stitch" as you call him is straight-up a theme park ride that I guess travels around the islands and spins people around all day. You know like those twister rides you see at every cheap carnival? Yeah that's the one place where he belongs.
10 / 10 great material.
im only at wreck it ralph, but thank you for reassuring me that leroy is coming
Also the only reason Crab Stitch is that big is he got hit by a growth ray on accident. He is actually the size of a bug because he was created to crawl inside machinery and destroy it from the inside-out by snipping wires and stuff.
Lilo just decided to leave him that big and serve as a replacement for one of the carnival rides he destroyed. So yeah, theres a lot going on with him.
27:40 "It's a movie with 15 minutes of absolute perfection, and the rest of it just exists to haunt you." Basically described 90% of all things that feature Tim Curry.
He's like Nicholas Cage for gay vampires
@@LimeyLassen accurate... Extremely accurate. Might explain why I liked Renfield so much lol.
Hmmm... It, Muppet Treasure Island, Fern Gully, The Worst Witch, Red Alert 3, Scary Movie 2, Terry Pratchett's The Colour of Magic... I really think you're onto something
@@JPH1138 you leave muppet treasure island out of this
There are some exceptions. Darkwing Duck is one of them. Tim Curry was only in 2 episodes, and they're awesome, but the show itself is also great. With a few minor episodes that suck.
The phrase "Flounder is an otaku now" is going to haunt me for the rest of my life, I can feel it.
It was a nightmare of a line for sure
Just from the clips shown here, i think the reason the banter between quasimodo and his gf works is because the voice actor for the gf is absolutely nailing it. Just hearing her laugh makes me smile.
That’s Jennifer love Hewitt! She was my first crush as a kid lol and the only reason why little me watched it. She also did voice work in Tom Thumb and adult me still finds her fine af
The banter between her and Quasimodo also works I think because you don't expect Quasi to have a traditional romance or get all poetic or anything. He's having a crush, and she is too because she's been sheltered, and awkward conversation with giggles feels plausible for the two of them. Its pure puppy love. It's one of the few things I think that movie got right.
Joel looks like what I imagine some unhinged Greek philosopher like Diogenes would look like in this
in this... universe? century?
both work idk
Regarding the lines:
“You’ve changed”
“Not really”
I don’t think we’re meant to interpret that as “Wendy literally telling Peter Pan she didn’t grow and change as a person,” but rather, she is reassuring him that she’s still fond of him and the memories they shared.
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Looking at it now (I haven't seen the movie since it came out), my thought was that people don't usually feel like they've changed, it's usually external observation
I assumed it was she's grown but she is still a child at heart
Like that Walt quote that goes something like "I don't make movies for children I make movies for the child inside all of us be they 6 or 60"
Like she still believes in happiness, dreams, magic and stuff
I think it's fine that Quasimodo didn't end up with Esmeralda at the end of the first Notre Dame film. His conflict was never "I want to be loved by a woman", it was "I want to be accepted by other people, at least for a day." And in pursuing that goal, he not only gets accepted by the public but learns to love himself by the end of the film. And now that he loves himself, he's ready to be in a romantic relationship in the sequel. I find that beautiful.
Also, I love the dialogue between Quasi and Madellaine. It reminds me of the silly things me and my girlfriend say to each other to makes each other laugh.
I agree that it's fine in the context of the movie, in fact from that perspectice it's good even. Quasimodo directly contrasts with Frollo, who feels entitled to Esmeralda's love. It's great.
But looking at the whole Disney catalogue it is suspicious that for their one disabled character they had to write it in a way where he doesn't get a romantic partner at the end.
@@petermazug7704in the original story Esmeralda is in love with Cpt. Phoebus, that's probably why, although I can't REALLY speak as to why THoND doesn't follow the traditional Disney method
The original Pocahontas was frustrating enough with how much it erased from Matoaka’s actual life story, but for the second one to romanticize her “marriage” to John Rolfe was honestly awful, especially when you find out that before her kidnapping, she already had a husband and a child among her people. She became so depressed after being held captive by the English for about a month that they finally allowed her sisters to visit for the express purpose of stopping her from offing herself. Her father was desperate to see her before she was shipped away but was never allowed to, so instead (following tradition) he gave a pearl necklace to her captors to then be given to her as a gift for her upcoming “marriage” to Rolfe. I’m assuming this necklace was the inspiration for the one in the movie which just adds to the tone-deafness of it all. Her story after she got to England was just a horrific tragedy.
honestly this, the Pocahontas original movie, and the sequel, some pretty blatant historical revisionism
The original was just as historically offensive tbh
disney should donate all the profits from those movies to the powhatan people or, idk, at least fund some native-DRIVEN storytelling for a change. i know it's only a matter of time before they come for everyone's culture (including my own) and i'm really just hoping they at least find it's more profitable to not be... THIS bad about it? but it's a corporation, they tried to copyright dia de los muertos, etc etc
@@CaramelsDen you might be shocked to find out every story Disney stole had darker tones and themes yeah?
in the little mermaid, she doesn't get her voice back.
she just effin dies, turns into seafoam.
unda da sea indeed.
ik Pocahontas existed, but ffs lol - kid's movies? yeah let's add slavery, Stockholm syndrome and depression mmm mm mm 👌 like a chef's kiss
@@TemmiePlays maybe they simply shouldn't've tried to romanticize a real life kidnapping of an indigenous woman. maybe you should get it through your head that adapting history isn't the same as adapting fairy tales. idk.
How sad and tragic that Rapunzel escaped an abusive parent-figure who confined her only for her own family to do exactly the same.
The show gets better, I promise
I pretend the show isn’t canon. It goes against so many things the first movie left. Including the wedding they already have in the movie smh
@@lunarialoonatic It literally doesn't go against the wedding. It comes between the movie and the wedding short film, so it's more about the adventures that happen after the film ends but before they fully get hitched.
@@neonjaysI personally just don’t appreciate the extra additions like some secret kid??? So cliche, or changing Flynn’s rugged nature
As someone who's seen (admittedly only the first season of) the cartoon it's not really like that, I think. Her dad bans her from leaving the kingdom out of fear for her safety- he's ultimately portrayed as misguided, but understandable. He's already lost her once and basically just got her back. He's not evil, he's scared. Also, the kingdom is pretty small, but "don't leave the country without my knowledge and permission" isn't that unreasonable of a request? Like, she's only 18. She travels within the kingdom on her own all the time in season one, too.
Fun fact: The “Pomp and Circumstance” sequence from _Fantasia 2000_ was mandated by Michael Eisner, then-CEO, against the wishes of the animators. He picked that song after attending his son’s graduation
Source: _Disney War_
good lord
LMAO i absolutely love this piece of Michael Eisner trivia. Truly a man who exists.
makes sense, very bad pick
Yikes
That whole book was infuriating to read. I've never encountered someone where I disagree with literally every decision that they've made.
I also found katzenberg to be very relatable in the worst ways possible lol
29:30
I actually liked that Quasi doesn't end up with anyone at the end of the first. The entire arc of the first was about him moving past his dependencies on Frollo and on Esmerelda, his physical dependence on Frollo and emotional on Esmerelda.
Same, actually. They were EXCELLENT as best friends, such a great chemistry together and I'm glad her, Quasi, and Phoebus stayed just that - best friends.
@@Crasher1982Phoebus and Esmerelda were very much a romantic item by the end of the film.
That was the only real issue I had with how they ended up. I think quasi not ending up with Esmerelda makes sense and is probably the healthiest decision for them. But her and Phoebus getting together felt really weird and unnecessary to me.
@@bishielurfer Sure. I mean her and he stayed best friends with Quasi. I'm happy about that, they had great chemistry as BFF.
Doesn't Quasimodo kill Esmeralda in the original book?
@@michaelslowmin No, quite the opposite in fact. Though Quasi isn't necessarily a major character for much of the book; no, the book itself is entirely about architecture and the cathedral itself. Victor Hugo wrote it specifically because Notre Dame was crumbling, and he succeeded- our modern conception of historical preservation can be traced back to him!
Spoiler warning:
The book is a tragedy, Phoebus is evil and while Frollo is also bad, he's a complicated character who's trying to save his brother from a life of crime. Quasi has very few words spoken through the entire book, but my favorite character is the Hugo self-insert guy who loves architecture. There's also some incredible lines (as is typical of Victor Hugo), like "This will kill that, the book will kill the cathedral", in reference to how literature and public education removed the necessity for massive public works (architecture) for the illiterate masses.
Disney is a bunch of cowards for not doing the actual 101 Dalmatians sequel, which is about dogs becoming sentient after humanity wipes itself out, and then they fight aliens in another dimension... or something. I don't remember the particulars, but it's absolutely insane what that author thought a sequel to a book about two dogs and a bunch of puppies should be about.
Well, to their credit, they did adapt the batshit sequel to _The Brave Little Toaster._
Oh wow, I just read the summary on Wikipedia. I had no idea.
That’s batshit! From a wholesome story to…the sequel, wtf was the writer on?
dogs are sentient. I think you mean as intelligent as humans
You call ;l them coward when you hide your face and write behind your keyboard
0:22 - Atlantis: Milo's Return
2:16 - The Lion King 1½
3:13 - The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning
5:17 - 101 Dalmatians II: Patch's London Adventure
7:35 - Bambi II
10:36 - Return to Never Land
13:05 - Mulan II
16:18 - Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World
19:24 - The Fox and the Hound 2
20:37 - An Extremely Goofy Movie
24:04 - Tarzan & Jane
24:25 - Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas
28:01 - The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea
29:13 - The Hunchback of Notre Dame II
32:10 - Kronk's New Groove
33:26 - Tangled: Before Ever After
34:04 - Ralph Breaks the Internet
38:45 - The Jungle Book 2
39:42 - Cinderella II: Dreams Come True
42:56 - Brother Bear 2
44:24 - Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure
47:10 - Cinderella III: A Twist in Time
49:49 - Frozen 2
50:09 - The Return of Jafar
51:41 - Aladdin and the King of Thieves
52:07 - Fantasia 2000
59:58 - The Rescuers Down Under
1:01:47 - Belle's Magical World
1:04:51 - The Lion King II: Simba's Pride
1:05:25 - Hercules: Zero to Hero
1:06:51 - Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch
1:08:06 - Stitch: The Movie
1:08:27 - Leroy & Stitch
1:09:31 - Tarzan 2
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@@TomsThoughtsonThings thank you mr. grayson. doing my best
Thanks 👑
God's work
Thank you! You make the world better for being in it!
I’m not sure the scene with Wendy and Peter was supposed to be her “placating” him. I think she meant that at her core, she was still fundamentally the same, even if she’s grown up. A caring, kind, responsible, and hopeful woman, just as she was in her youth, even if she has a different outlook and responsibilities in life.
Glad to see at least 43 other people with basic media literacy...
I feel like it clashes directly with the concept of the first film
Doesn’t he literally say he’s not sure if the movie notices that
I'm just going to assume evil enchanted Tim Curry voiced pipe organs keeping people miserable is how all Goth music is made now.
That relationship between Goofy and Max in the sequel actually reminds me of the way Adventure Time wrote Jake the Dog after his kids grew up. I think that show was actually trying to make the point that some adults never actually learn and can be pretty selfish even if they’re not intentionally harming their kids. I always appreciated it for sticking to that.
This was my thought too. There is actually a kind of byline that goes through both about the perception of children of their parents and vice-vesa. We just see that change as Max ages.
Okay. "A prince does not 'woo hoo'." may be one of my favorite things I've ever heard Sir Patrick Stewart say.
I really really like "Positive cinema sins" with Joel just listing off what sparks joy and makes him giggle with a litte plingading.
in that case you might enjoy this channel called Cinema Wins
@@zogwort1522 idgi
@@zogwort1522 or maybe he actually is capable of finding things he enjoys about movies, it sounds like you're just projecting
@@zogwort1522 he seems fairly thorough in his explanations to me
@@zogwort1522 I get the feeling whatever makes you like something really varies from person to person. I may not get like half of what they're referencing but one can still appreciate small references and details in a movie, which is what CinemaWins enjoys doing.
My favorite part about Cinderella 3 is the fact that Prince Charming leaps out of a window with zero hesitation. It's a moment that has stuck with me for my entire life.
I think what peter pan 2's overall message was is that even after you've grown and gone through horrific events and become an adult, you can still retain the wonders of childhood shown by wendy flying as well as regaining it after losing it shown by jane
Honestly return to Neverland is a comfort movie of mine. Maybe it’s bc I relate to Jane who had to grow up too fast and was unable to really be a kid. And hearing her mom talk about Peter Pan obviously made her annoyed bc she can’t remember a world anymore full of magic and stories. Her life is centered around the war. The song I Try makes me emotional and just fits the movie too. It’s a redundant movie for sure but Jane resonates with me and I like how in the end she lets herself be a kid and believe (same result as the first Peter Pan). Like Wendy said “you may have grown up but there’s still a lot you don’t know.” Being an adult doesn’t mean you have to put away childish things and loose the magic
Mmmmm... no.
aight@@brookejon3695
@@lunarialoonatickinda cringe.
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon What a great argument. Must have taken all two of your brain cells for that one, huh?
genuinely surprised to learn that folks saw Ralph as Vanellope's father figure, Ralph reads way more as a brother or even an older cousin character imo
Until the end where he's making slow motion goo goo eyes at her, and then they're going on double dates with Fix it and his wife.
That aspect of the second movie seems realistic, that she would get annoyed at how he keeps trying to create an emotional closeness she's not interested in, so she wants to get away, although not permanently, as he was a good friend before.
And... he's 30, she's 6. It's pretty weird to want to hang out and confide in a kid when you're almost middle aged.
Btw I didn't catch any of this when I saw the movie when it came out. It wasn't until I watched it 10+ years later with my kids that I realized Ralph, despite meaning well, is pretty effed up and needs therapy.
@@bluedistortions...sorry what? I had to rewatch the ending to double check this, but there's no double dates or goo-goo eyes.
Did you know, Walt Disney had a rule that he'd only ever want 34 sequels to be made for his moves, look up Walt Disney rule 34 for more information
Hahaha good one
Nice try buddy but everyone knows what happens when you put "rule" and "34" together
I was searching for it but I can’t find it. Also I ran out of tissues for some reason.
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Do you know why Irish bean soup has exactly 239 beans in it? [In extremely Irish voice] _Because one more would be too farty!_
Say what you will about the plot, Bambi 2 has the most GORGEOUS animation of any direct to video sequel. You can tell a lot of love went into it from the animators. When you consider the lower budget and smaller team that worked on it, it's visually stunning.
most of the badly animated movies were all tv series as pilots and whatnot to test reception to continued stories
the third Aladdin film just stayed a tv series tho. lower quality usually means direct to dvd as Disney did a lot of at the time, or they were putting it on cable tv - where drops in quality were acceptable. Bambi (2?) breaks this trend bc it actually had a theatrical release
Their use of watercolor for the backdrop is something I could stare at for hours!!
@thebottomtext the reason why it looks so good(compared to the other sequels) is because they went out of their way to replicate the original (just not in plot, cause the original didn't have one)
Seeing the Lion King 1 1/2 animation right after the Atlantis sequel is indescribable in the production value difference.
I went into this video hopefully expecting that big joel would acknowledge Aladdin's hot dad and I was not disappointed. 10/10
Athena's death was quite literally the most avoidable death in all of cinema
Honestly, one of my dreams is to find out which person in the Aladdin 2 writer's room said, "Iago needs TWO musical numbers." Unironically one of my heroes.
I feel like Wendy saying she hasn't really changed rather implies that she has, despite growing up and becoming a mother, retained a sense of wonder. She's still a child at heart - Her trying to convince Peter that the real world is like Neverland doesn't hold water for me :/
that's why she can still fly. how does nobody pick up on that? it's displayed in the Robin Williams Hook movie. when you grow up you can't believe in fairies which means you can't fly bc you lost the childlike wonder.
but Wendy was flying np
same.
Had no idea that Flounder is shown to have grown up to be an absolute unit. Amazing.
I don't know if finding a working VCR in a thrift shop would have been easier or more difficult but the choice to physically mail a VHS to Dan Olson to get it digitized just really delighted me. Now the movie's been salvaged from a decaying format and whether you distribute it somehow or not, you've bought it a few more years to exist in this world!
I think you may be overlooking stuff with the goofy movie sequel. The original was about Max and his dad fixing and reestablishing their relationship after what's heavily implied to be the death of Goofy's wife/Max's mother. It's never said out loud or directly addressed, but that is what the movie is going for.
The sequel is about Goofy needing now to not only allow Max to grow up, but also for himself to finally move on. It is why he has a love interest in the film. It's more than Goofy getting past empty nest syndrome but to get to a point where he can rediscover what it means to be himself, and not just Max's dad.
The real question is: was Goofy's wife Clarabelle the cow?
@@Backinblackbunny009 I hope so.
Ariel's begining could've been great if it had half-siblings Ursula & Trition battling for the throne
There's definitely a longform tv prequel hiding in there somewhere
@@LimeyLassenoh it's been teased out a million ways from Tuesday in all the stage productions over the years.
Most of these were movies intended to be played in the waiting room of a pediatric dentist's office.
So! Since you want more info on the giant crab experiment, lemme tell ya! His name is Shortstuff and yes he used to be short, his whole purpose was to infiltrate and destroy machines and electronics. The shortstuff episode was basically "stitch learns to accept that he's short" including a raygun that shortstuff sabotaged and ended up becoming giant himself. He also never got shrunken back even though jumba had the ability to do so, instead he became an amusement park ride.
the amount of adrenaline that courses through my veins every time someone talks about the Peter Pan sequel is enough to kill a horse
it's my favorite Disney movie
I gotta mentally prepare myself every time a Return to Neverland review pops up because they either just don't get it or they just disrespect it because it's a Disney sequel 😭 I'm a Return to Neverland defender.
i was crying while he was talking about it and he didnt even like it aksjfls
Given that Angel has gone through 5 different homes I would have to assume she's an adult dog by the time of the movie.
or her owners had her for like a week each before deciding they weren't feeling it
@@FeascoWhich is totally and depressingly plausible.
Looking back, these are rough but have more creativity than the recent live action remakes. I miss 2D animation.
When cash Grabs had some creativity. Creativity now means taking what we have an d ruin it with new stufffffff. And fix thingsssssss.
Oh god, it's like the prequel trilogy appreciation all over again.
@@JC20XX Ypu say that like it's a bad thing, as if the slop we are served nowadays isn't infinitely worse than the prequels/disney direct to VHS
yeah I am a bit biased, but actual risks were taken for some of these films, and that is on itself worthy of more recognition than the entirety lion king 2019 and ROS
@@spritingk6879 🤓
Fun fact: The “bully” deer with the little nub antlers in Bambi 2 is canonically the same deer Bambi fights in the first movie. Useless info but still kinda cool that Disney included that subtle connection without making it too on the nose.
yeah, his name is Ronno
big respect to both of you and i understand this could just be my own damage but knowing ANYTHING about the rival deer from Bambi 2 just triggers so many alarms in my brain
That was literally the only thing I enjoyed about Bambi 2. I loved that he was a little shithead. And somehow I knew he was the same asshole deer from the original.
The "Kronk's eggs property of Kronk do not touch except for Kronk" bit is one of my favorite jokes from a Disney movie
Big Joel’s soft spot for cute animals will never fail to make me happy
Mulan being so adamantly against arranged marriages also doesn't track with the first movie in which there is an entire song where she is going to be entered into an arranged marriage and she is fine with it. Her conflict in the first movie isn't that she thinks arranged marriages are wrong it's that she is not suited to be the kind of wife they are trying to mold her into. I could see her developing a slight resentment for the concept after everything she went through in the first film and wanting to show the princesses that they can be more than just wives but her being horrified by it makes no sense. Also the way she talks about it doesn't suggest that she is upset about it because the princesses are capable of more than getting married She just wants them to marry people they "actually love" Which like i said is not the aspect of arranged marriage that her character should be worried about...
Also mushu's Motivations make no sense... He is only buying himself like 60 years max if mulan doesn't get pregnant... she can't clone herself like an amoeba dumbass if she doesn't have kids the family line ends anyway...
I was about to get all up in arms about how he calls the tuba at 1:04:42 a French horn but, like, a tuba is a horn. And they are in France.
I actually really like the Goofy sequel because it feels like it acknowledges the previous movie properly. Like, it's a surprisingly mature writing choice from Disney, because instead of just rehashing a similar relationship of Max and Goofy where the two just fight all the time, it's pretty cool to see that the son has mellowed out of his teenage angst and is generally pretty chill with his dad, which shows Goofy to be the overprotective goof that he always was. I see Joel's point of how unsettling it feels to watch Goofy be the moral villain of the Goofy series, but I like that Max's arc is generally completed, but life still goes on, and the sequel sort of shows what happens after that.
Still disappointed that Roxanne isn't in the movie or even mentioned as like the ex that the family never forgets. I think it would have given more meat behind the sequel vibe for ALL the notable characters to be mentioned.
Hot take-our boy purposefully misinterprets/'devil's advocates' some movies to prompt our interesting and intelligent takes in the comments
This is more positivity than the hunchback sequel has received ever tbh
I love this video because Joel just wastes no time between videos. Absolutely no warning, no transition whatsoever, no tonal shift, just on to the next opinion, the next movie. We Stan an efficiency KING 👏👑😍
14:57 mushu’s change also devalues his whole arc in the first movie. he grows to care more about Mulan and her wellbeing then his position, becoming a true guardian and friend to her
43:42 "Who exactly in this movie is attracted to bears?" is one of those major thesis statements I wish had the courage to present to a college professor.
How did Triton's hair get white so fast? Was it the trauma of losing his wife?
Idk but he looks super handsome
Glad Huge Joel pointed out the gay love making scene from 1919's Lion King 1.5 showing that Disney has been gay and woke long before Florida got gay wrecked by them.
had three strokes WHAT
i HAVE actually seen all of the Tangled TV show and so i am obligated to report that it is one of the most insane freak viewing experiences ive ever had,
Tangled the series is mostly a sea of the most baby of baby episode premises (there are multiple "animal mascots team up to save the day" episodes because they keep adding so many animal mascots) intermingled with an overarching narrative that is insane and thematically anti monarchy positioning the power imbalance of the role of princess as inherently harmful to any relationships an individual of that station might hold,
and thats all well and good but what makes it truly freak fiction is that the higher ups are clearly breathing down the necks of the people making those parts because the show can never go all in on acknowledging what the show is about, so a villain will walk on screen, explain to Rapunzel that she is a horrible unempathetic freak who is blind to the wants and needs of the people she calls her friends and incapable of acknowledging the risk to their safety the social power she wielding over them is to their wellbeing, and with no rebuttal to the completely reasonable reading of the character based on the events of the show the villain will go "actually you dont need to listen to my scathing critique of you Rapunzel im actually just evil" and the show can never develop rapunzel further because shes a weird mascot character.
on top of all of this the creator of the show seems almost unanimously hated by the staff from what ive seen and after making tangled the series he went to work at the daily wire to go make right wing propaganda.
after completing the show for the first time i created 2 filler lists that cut out half of the episodes of the show so i could actually show it to people so theyd believe me when i talk about how weird it is and no one has noticed the missing episodes really because there is some TRUE filler in this thing, like one episode ends with them going down a dirt road, the next episode opens with them on a 4 episode arc where they are on a raft and crash land on an island and have an island adventure and then they show up in a port city after escaping the island AND THEN after that episode ends the next episode opens with them on the dirt road from 5 episodes prior
everyone ive managed to get to watch up to episode 16 of season 1 however has been locked in for the full ride because that episode is completely unhinged and brings to the forefront a lot of the anti monarchy themes the show toys with across its run.
i dont know if ive got a wider point that i can compact down into a single comment but i need anyone reading this to know of my burden as the tangled the series understander
my favorite part about tangled the series is that they gave rapunzel a hot and tortured retainer with whom she has a complicated and fraught relationship (romance novel) AND they gave eugene a trashy bestest childhood friend and gave them that big goofy musical number about how they're the bestest of friends and can never be separated in the episode with the evil plant (they have fucked like at least twice) and they still expect you to believe that this is a show that naturally leads to rapunzel and eugene getting married
Do you still have the non-filler list? This sounds absolutely wild
I know I'm late but if you have the non-filler list still, PLEASE let me know what it is. my friend, quite a while ago, made me watch the entire series with her, and by the time we'd waded through all the boring filler, my mind was so numb that I didn't really absorb the batshit moments as much as I WANTED to. I've been mildly curious to rewatch but I do not want to get through the filler again lol
waiting for the filler list
We need that non-filler list
The ‘French horn’ in Belle’s Magical Adventure is definitely a EUPHONIUM.
Sincerely, a Euph player
He kept calling the pipe organ a piano, that cracked me up.
Omg a fellow Euph player we are rare
Glad you've shed some light, I had no idea what instrument it was but I knew it *was not* a french horn, lol.
I'm sorry Joel but the pause followed by "why would someone steal a glass case" was hilarious
Just came here to say we kinda glossed over the fact that Disney somehow got Robin Williams to come back and voice the Genie in Aladdin 3, which is wild.
The bell is cool in Hunchback. Not just aesthetically, but thematically. Just literally beauty on the inside. Doesn't have to be deep for a kids flick.
Goth Tim Curry CGI Piano is the part I remember the most from The Enchanted Christmas and I'm so glad you talked about him. I had the movie on VHS as a kid and Goth Tim Curry CGI Piano scared the crap out of me. I think the CGI just hit that uncanny valley for me as a child and freaked me out, so at the time I couldn't really appreciate how great it is that his motivation is him wanting to be able to play his gloomy organ music forever. The character feels kind of out of place, like the writers felt like the conflict between Belle and the Beast wasn't enough and they needed to throw in a big scary villain for it to be a real movie. Admittedly, he steals the show and ends up being the most notable thing about that sequel.
Daaamn Triton is like an abusive, controlling parent who keeps saying they're going to change but then they never do. RIP.
But he does though, both times. By the second movie he's perfectly chill and supportive
Extremely Goofy Movie is mostly Goofy's movie in my opinion, it's him learning to be a person again and not just "Max's parent." I think there's a lot of parents that can relate to it.
You know as an asexual I admit I've never thought about these attraction questions, but boy are they good ones
The Disney sequels transformed him into a Shel Silverstein drawing
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Some day, i will write my Goofy Movie universe thesis, but I'll try not to write it here.
Goofy isn't just clingy, he's genuinely suffering from an attachment disorder. There are hints throughout the movie that make it weirdly dark. For example, the height of disco was ~1978-1979, Goofy went to collage in the 70's and has heavily disco-influenced memories. He was only there for three years, meaning he likely had to leave in 1981, the year his son was born. He also says that the date he has with Sophie is the best night of his life.
Disney's always taken the hard stance that Max never had a mother, but the canon indicates she either died or left the family, leaving Goofy a single dad before he had a chance to graduate. There are some other examples, like when Pete, his high school friend, scoffs at the idea of Goofy ever having been married in the cartoon.
Mickey's not allowed to have his own personality in many Disney properties, and Goofy gets to have generational family trauma. It's just so fascinating to me.
In the older Cartoons Micky's personality of a curious naive trickster ,basically the Fool Card of the Tarot.
At times he is also the MC of the trio. Daffy is the worldly asshole reactive
And Goofy is well, the slow witted but big heart guy.
Their personalities have morphed and changed over the eras but roughly they always fall into something similar to those three archetypes. What I find interesting is the reusing of Pete (the cat) in various relationships
When it's just Micky, Pete is violent to murderous. He genuinely wants to kill Mickey
When its the Trio, hes a villain but usually by scheming or intimation.
But with just Goofy, hes just an asshole neighbor. Which is fascinating. Predator respects Predator (?)
And
Daffy and Pete do not have a one on one relationship.
And I completely agree Goofy's personality in all the Goof Troop related media is of a very broken man.
@@thesinfultictac5704 Regarding Mickey: In animation, he's largely acting. There are some standalone stories about him and his adventures, but most of the ones I've seen had him playing a role. He's a wizard, or a prince, or a musksteer. In the comics, he's very different, usually a fairly competent private investigator of some kind with recurring villains (including Pete). I'm sure there are exceptions, but the most easily accessible media seems to follow this pattern.
One very important thing: Belle accepts and acts on that love after she's been freed. When asked about it by her father she sees him as a friend and fully realizes her attraction at the end
I've been scrolling down reading the comments and it bothers me that no one has said anything of Joel's singing of Phil Collins and subsequent " *He fucking gets it, man. He-he's living it* " at 01:09:55
It killed me, man. He truly is living it.
Milo’s Return WAS three finished episodes of an Atlantis show that got cancelled when the movie didn’t hit the box office numbers they were hoping for. It was gonna cross over with Gargoyles at some point though so there’s that.
Atlantis: Milo’s Return makes me upset because *it had potential*. If it had gotten to be a full show, and if it was given a bit more love and care, it could’ve been pretty decent. Some things were definitely weird [such as the sand coyotes] but I could see them taking the show in a good direction if people just… cared a bit more? Maybe I’m biased as I adore the actual film, especially all the characters and their dynamics, but it’s just a tad heartbreaking when I see the remnants of a show that could’ve been actually good.
@@generalzar0ff The only one of these franchises I WANT to see redone.
Now I wish the show had succeeded, just so I could see how they intended to have the cast cross over with Gargoyles 80 years before the Gargoyles were freed from their stone. XD
@@lancerguy3667 OMG TRUE I never thought of that part. Like. 1914 meets 1994??? I never watched Gargoyles but I’ve seen people post about it and there’s definitely somewhat of a tonal difference between the two franchises, so I really wonder what the people in the writer’s room were thinking.
In Mulan 2, Mulan is against, maybe even horrified about the idea of arranged marriage. . . As though she wasn't getting ready and studying to meet HER matchmaker and make a good first impression. Canonically written in the same year. 😂 It's like the story writers hadn't even seen the first film.
it definitely seems like the writers sat down and were like "OK we need another thing that feminists probably agree with" haha
Yeah, she was getting ready for it, because she thought it was her duty, not because it was something she was ok with. The whole premise of her character is that she's a woman who wants to live a life that reflects her personality, not the one set out for her by others.
@@angelzashez Seems more like you just don't know what the core principles of Mulan are.
They probably hadn't
Of all the things about Mulan you could say, you picked the ONE thing about the first film that Mulan did only grudgingly because she believed it was the only way for her to bring honor her family, and very very visibly reluctant and uncomfortable about her role as a woman in her society?
Did YOU watch the first film, or did you skip the intro sequence or something? Did you miss the look of unease she had the whole matchmaker song?
I feel like Mulan being against arranged marriages is pretty in character, considering the stress she went through in the first movie not fitting into expectations and the match-maker actively hating her, contrasted with the happiness she felt finding someone who loved her for who she is, without fitting into her traditional role
Yeah, I agree, but in the context of the movie, she still comes off as shockingly naive.
Sure but I’ve known people in analogous situations w similar reactions and she doesn’t act like them, she acts exactly like every white woman who finds out her foreign neighbor and her husband were set up by their parents and starts trying to emancipate her w Codmo magazines or some shit
I feel like it's also about how she can't accept that arranged marriages can work sometimes. That she doesn't believe that the girls can be happy when they're being married off
Yeah, that's what I've always said.
@@matthewv9169 But the king's son was only a kid and clearly not ready to marry anybody.
sometimes i worry that i'm a comic relief bird character.
Don’t we all
@@MiyaMam948 So true bestie.
13:42 Looking at that map on the table, it seems like Mulan's China only comprises the land north of the Huai river. So that puts her squarely in the Jurcheon Jin dynasty, and the "Kingdom of Qi Gong" in the Ordos loop could only be the Tangut kingdom Xi Xia. If this were the Ming dynasty, the map would include southern China. So I guess it's canon that Mulan contributed to the Mongol conquest.
I love “I tortured myself for your entertainment” video essays.
to me the Ralph/Penelope situation feels like siblings who sorta raised each other and they struggle to separate as they grow into their own selves
The one big thing that could've made Cinderella III even better would be if the baker had more of a presence in the story besides just the end credits. The baker is adorable.
Agree!😊
I've watched a lot of videos reviewing Disney sequels as they were a big part of my childhood. I appreciate that you're the first reviewer I've seen tackle these films in a completely random, chaotic order.
Pomp and circumstance in there because Michael Eisner heard it at his son's high School graduation and demanded that it be included in Fantasia 2000. It got to the point where he threatened Roy Disney that he would can the whole project if they didn't include this number. The original version was a thousand times weirder though. He basically wanted to have all the Disney princesses show up with babies, and do like a weird shared baptism thing. Luckily all the executives he told that idea to told him it was the worst idea they'd ever heard. Mainly, they didn't want the implication that Disney princesses were having sex.
It would age terribly as well, because like half of the modern princesses would be absent, and he would have to choose to either canonize pocahontas 2 or directly condtradict it (which would be really funny honestly) cause she just gotta have a baby babyyyyy
And yet Melody is allowed to exist in Little Mermaid 2?? Is the implication here that Ariel reproduces asexually?
this is the craziest thing i've ever heard and is also the most michael eisner thing i've ever heard
@@rambletash ariel is a jellyfish, never touched by a man, melody just kinda plopped out of her one day
I cant speak to the veracity of this story but it does sound extremely like something Michael Eisner would do
Fun Fact, Djali the goat is actually a male, so depending on how you look at it the gargoyle in love with him is one of the first ever explicitly gay Disney characters!