For the record max special bolt amount+duration is pretty nuts with tasers. Stack a couple of tasers on tanky enemies to turn them into melting snails also why is necro thermal SO LOUD Other drg test/info videos: ua-cam.com/play/PLqTo6tQ9tCOrABARyls3C94qzGo6TW3h_.html
Always appreciate the dwarven science videos. Also if you wanted to upload more gameplay videos again, I know I would watch them. I’d like to see your take on the hurricane especially. Rock N Stone!
@@krustin Did people complain about the drak being OP constructively? Or the stubby being UP that warranted the buff? The latter was welcomed, but not necessary; it certainly wasnt being argued by anyone, constructive or not. Ill probably write them a feedback, but i would love to get more information. The only guy that ive met whod defend gk2 to the death is incoherent, and others have been dismissive or downright show a lack of understanding as to why the gk2 is in a awkward spot (because they themselves dont even know why they dont use it, despite being unconscious of its problems)
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 @Sturm Magnunstein well since you mention the gk2, yeah its not good really, and I think nerfing the drak makes me hurt even more cuz it was so much better for a similar role imo, idk why they did that. The gk2 should have been buffed instead. I saw people angrily complain that the wave cooker was ruined stupidly by the devs, by the mega supply being nerfed.
@@XaelathRavenstorm yeah it makes perfect sense , its just sad that instead of the other 2 guns getting buffed this one got nerfed a tad, they direly need to buff the gk2
I didn't even know there was a patch, but I figured out about the DRAK ammo nerf when I loaded into a game and there wasn't enough nitra for even 1 resupply in the first 3 chambers. This is an extremely rare occurrence, but I will forever be mentally scarred now by this ammo nerf because of this experience :D
@@XaelathRavenstorm I disagree, the m1000 has better single target damage and also obliterates grunt swarms with blowthrough + armor pierce mods, all without even needing overclocks. It is a bit hard to use, but it does make the Drak seem weak in comparison. I think they should have just buffed the GK2 instead Don't get me wrong, Drak with Impact Deflection or Aggressive venting is great to kill grunts, but the m1k so effective at any range that I can't justify bringing the Drak over the m1000 to an Elite Deep Dive, unless it's just to mix things up for fun.
That drak Nerf hit a lot harder then I thought, I thought they'll just take 50 ammo from the ammo upgrade but not from base ammo. Thank God aggressive venting is a clean oc now because that would have hurt way more
I'm actually happy with stubby getting at least a small shift twords better electrocute chance on base. Now I can feel a bit better running other tier 1 mods with an electric build. Namely I may actually go for juicing the ammo instead to see if it feels more efficient in regards to ammo conservation on a few of my preferred overclocks.
I'm thinking the opposite. Better base proc chance means boosts to proc will stack even further. Even better proc chance means even better chance of electric arc. This is gonna turn Em Refire Booster into a straight-up AoE gun, and the one where you get way more ammo with reduced fire rate is gonna give you the best sustained AoE-per-resupply in the game.
@@BlissBatch the mod will still be at 50% total. The precent just got shifted so that the mod gives 5% less and the base gun has 5% more. Instead of 20%+30% it's now 25%+25%
These changes will free T2 upgrades for a bigger variety. That will encourage to play Discharge and EM Refire different. Also, I have a good feeling that Light-Weight rounds will feel better too
imo they need to get the idea out of their heads that Mega Powersupply needed a nerf (it did though) and instead embrace the idea that the wave cooker is just a bad fuckin weapon and they need to give it more to work with than just thermal shock spam if they expect anyone to ever unironically pick a different overclock. Gamma Contamination would be good if it wasn't so horribly inconsistent with applying its effect and the same applies to Blistering Necrosis. Liquid Cooling System feels like it does basically nothing. Super Focusing Lens is a little too short range and relies on running a full damage build to perform decently. If they buffed Contagion transmitter then it could have a decent niche as a single target dps. Diffusion Ray isn't bad but you're either sacrificing too much damage or too much ammo by taking it over MPS. The problem is not Mega Powersupply is too strong it's that every other overclock is either too weak (Liquid Cooling System & Diffusion Ray), too restricted (Focusing Lens), or just performs well too inconsistently (Blistering Necrosis & Gamma Contamination). Just give the damn thing a little more ammo and tweak those chances for shit to do things up a notch.
yeah it seems like the devs are completely oblivious to how awful the CWC's ammo economy is. I checked using the karl site and the subata can easily hit 25% more total damage over the CWC despite being able to hit weakpoints for 240% damage.
The wave cooker ammo economy relies on it being pointed at lots of jellies/swarmers with wider lens upgrade imo. Spray for 5 ammo and the entire swarm in that general direction gone,even across the cave. Subata in the same situation will get you killed and spend way more than 5 ammo even if you survived it.the wave cooker will never be efficient for single targets like subata or the epc can,its the driller secondary of choice for swarmageddon missions
@@fps_maniac7937 there simply aren't enough situations like that for cwc to make up for having less total damage than subata. especially because "targets explode" crisper does the same thing without ruining your ability to exploit weakpoints.
I don't know about you guys, but the CWC easily replaced the subata and the EPC in my driller builds, now i use driller for everything but mining misions... Elimination? Sludge blast and cooker with corrosion synergy its sooo good, for everything else just flamethrower and temp shock its really strong, imo its an excellent weapon far better than subata and epc
@@Monkeyman12534 despite the health bar glowing yellow, the wave cooker doesn't actually do any weakpoint damage. shooting a weak point is exactly the same as shooting anywhere else. of course, you can still pop certain body parts like the goo bomber's sacs, brood nexus eyes, and i think blistering necrosis. i disagree with OP though, its a pretty good finely tuned CC weapon. but of course as a driller you might not want extra CC because your primaries typically do that job, so its not an easy choice over the other secondaries which is good.
Necrosis changes seem to be absolutely NUTS in testing I did not seem to find any use for this clock before the patch, but now im thinking about non-temp shock cryo build with it, since it can boost ice spear or cooker damage itself for so much. Also found a lot of fun interactions with dreadnoughts, you could technically spawn a lot of necrosis spots on a boss bug, and then blow it up with C4 through several phases. Im not sure how damage transfers with it from explosions tho, but if it transfers WHOLE 850 DAMAGE C4 this is not okay. It doesnt seem to do so, but still i managed to kill a 70% hive guard in one C4 and several blisters, so thats fun. edit: I really want to test out this clock more and maybe even make a video, i just hope they wont change it too much
If you ever make a weapon analysis playlist it would be helpful if things were in chronological order and included these at relevant points. Always nice to have the extra content!
Taser Bolts still apply an additional, permanent version of their Proximity effect to robots they direct-hit. One Taser Bolt will EVENTUALLY kill a Nemesis by itself. This additional effect stacks with multiple direct-hits, so unloading 12 Tasers into a Nemesis means you get 12 permanent DOTs plus 12 temporary ones and it dies VERY quickly. I find 4 Tasers to be the sweet spot where the Nemesis will die fast enough and move slow enough for the duration that I don't really need to worry about it anymore and can save my ammo for other things.
@@AveragePearEnjoyer Solo maybe. In team, the patrol bots will most likely die before the 12-15 second duration is up anyway so the "permanent" dot doesn't matter, though the double damage is nice. Patrolers are pretty hard to hit with bolts as well in my experience, so you risk wasting a lot of ammo missing.
I don't know but with driller main, we keep getting more CC and less single target. I love the pump with maxed particles and the effect it has on haz 5 teams, but I'd like to move on from plasma as my secondary even if terra forming with it is so much fun.
it honestly shouldn't even do team damage. like theres a reason sticky flames and autocannon explosions dont hurt teammates, cwc shouldn't do team damage for the same reason.
@@KLIXORthe or maybe the sticky flames and autocannon explosions should hurt teammates instead? and maybe buff up the damage more so it feels like im playing helldivers.
Drak just keeps getting nerfed, eh? I wonder why. Yet Gk2 remains unchanged. I think i know what theyre trying to do, but Im not going to do it. You cant make me switch over to the gk2.
Its really odd how they're so focused on leveling the playing field between the Drak and GK2 yet refuse to buff anything about the latter, instead just wanting to keep nerfing the former. Just a bit more extra damage or something on the GK2 and it'd be a solid contender against both the Drak and MK1000.
I dont get this, why nerf the drak instead of buffing the other weapons. With the introduction of the Drak a felt like the scout to have a bigger impact on matches instead of just beeing everyones mining whore
Going to guess the Wave cooker width nerf was so just building for pure width was less tempting because this thing could be built to cover a crazy amount of area and not only dealing a crazy amount of damage but also killing some frame rates. Still vary happy for the Clistering Necrosis change!
Of all the little changes amd fixes, the dazzler module and catalyst ones were my fave. Comboing the two allows you to practically lock bugs on top of your platforms, as shooting the plats largens your AOE and applies the slow to all bugs caught in it. I haven't tested it super extensively and I'm no pro at the game, but it's a lot of fun.
I really like the stacking slow and electric effect for the taser bolts. Its nice on Elimination, and better now for general use with increased ammo and duration. Can you make a video on it?
@@TheBarser Yes it can, Triforks volley is very good for elim mission because of the burst, you can have both taser (the slow on it is very good) and triforks.
@@TheBarser Im unsure. From a solo standpoint maybe not. But the benefit of being able to basically 'stop' a dread from moving in a group setting during burst windows is beneficial.
Also since most common bugs have a 50% fear resist that meant the old armskore t3 fear mod was really only effectively a 37.5 fear chance. Even if you don't care about the trail anti-synergy and just wanted pure cc it was still usually worse than the stun mod which always confused me, so I'm glad that this one got changed even if it's still generally not that useful
I've been using the Fear mod with the Hellfire OC all along, and it was very reliable at making Praetorians turn their weakpoint to me. Can't say I remember it failing as much as 62.5%. With that said, I find the radius buff to be more of a nerf now. Grunts that were on path to run into the lingering trail will run away from it now.
I generally don't like fear that much in general. its okay on the thunderhead with neurotoxin but the direction they run is hard to predict and they actually get a speed boost while fleeing. really easy to send a crowd of bugs at super speed straight towards your teammates. stun is a far superior crowd control effect, it makes the bugs easier to shoot, and easier to stay away from. if you want praets to show you their ass, try stunning them and then getting behind with the dash perk, and then stun them again as you unload.
@@AveragePearEnjoyer The stun is only 50% with a rather short duration, and the situation and distance doesn't always allow for running behind when there's bugs with the Praetorian. If it's a distance to the Praetorian it also impractical. Shooting more than one shot means I'm spending a lot of Coilgun ammo on a Praetorian, which isn't really worth it. One fear has actually proven very effective, and it sends bugs running into the trail who weren't on the path of doing so.
@@AveragePearEnjoyer I mean, that requires you to waste an entire dash to do that when fear does the same thing without needing a dash. Also NTP with Suppressive Fire is more than just okay, it's absurdly broken, especially on modded haz levels. The fear wears off based on distance traveled instead of a timer, so in cases where the fear is paired with slowdown effects it can be really strong, and the neurotoxin effect slows down bugs. There's a lot of other things like how stun has a cooldown on enemies while fear (I believe) doesn't.
yeah, I run the exact same build. either take the t5 duration mod and the t2 special ammo mod and use regular bolts for lootbugs, wandering small single enemies, leeches, etc or take the t2 damage mod and the t5 magnetic shafts to up your normal bolt's damage output by quite a bit. I prefer the former because I am already using BOM to follow up the taser bolt and its hard to get full value out of both mag shafts and BOM when taking out a big boy. also the ammo and duration lets you actually use the taser bolts for some solid crowd control in a pinch. another great thing is that taser bolts can electrify oppressors and dreads, which pretty much no other secondary setup can do, making it so you can set up BOM with no questions asked. very nice.
3:05 The fear buff was really significant. The best way to use it is in combination with electrical trail to hold them in place a bit and pair coil with either StunMinigun or StunHurricane. Fear/Stun combo very nicely and you can put Praets/Ward/Menace into an endless loop until they're dead. So you trade a small amount of damage for a pretty hefty amount of crowd control. Also if a praet gets it's breath off on you, combined with the damage resist mod and partial charge, you can cancel it in time to prevent your shield from breaking. It works every time, unlike stun. Oh lastly, I also love that the reliable fear makes it really easy to save my teammates who get swarmed on and it works 100% of the time. Takes a little thought and adjustment in practice but I think they did a good job making fear more competitive with stun.
The change to explode arrow is huge. It used to require extra damage to explode a grunt (or extra duration from OC/mod), which can be tricky when your target is in a large swarm. Now you can hardly messed up.
I'm surprised it was listed in the general bug fix notes, but up until this patch the Coilgun could not damage the Overseer, which was certainly an interesting thing to deal with @~@ , especially given how well Hellfire deals with turrets.
Note that Volatile Impact Mixture for sludger is absolutely insane if you pair it with blistering necrosis. It pops blisters with charged shots every time no matter where you hit the enemy from what I can tell. It's pretty good single target damage and clears packs of praetorians at a ridiculous pace
Super late comment but I figured I'd bring up the fear on Coilgun. While yeah, making the bugs run away doesn't necessarily sound great at first, it's become one of my favorite mods on Coilgun for it's team support utility. I've saved unaware allies from getting slash n' bashed by a wave coming up behind them, warded off Mactera Trijaw hordes, and gotten some clutch revives off, too. Not to mention it's saved my own hide more times than I can count.
Don't know if it'll be patched out but the 50% damage resist on coil gun is pretty nice. Not just because it helps prevent damage from bugs but it works for fall damage as well, unlike the autocannon. I'd like it even without that since there is no delay compared to the autocannon so with good reaction time you can prevent a lot of damage.
The chemical bolt buff is nice for playing solo. I tried to use Chemical Bolt solo and lure some bugs onto the affected enemy, but by the time anyone else got near it, it would already wear off. It's probably not a big deal in multiplayer, because I'm sure a gunner would already kill the bug 2 seconds into the effect, but it should be a lot easier to pull off in a solo game at least.
This almost feels like the game telling me to use different builds with Scout lmao. Prior to this patch, I was using nothing but Drak and pheromone bolts, but now Drak got nerfed and chemical bolts got buffed-
The blistering necrosis changes are so great for soloing dreadnauts now. By spawing 3 or 4 weakpoints on a twin you can drop a satchel to one-shot it. Sadly you can't one-shot the dreadnaut or hiveguard but you can still do half their hp.
Good change to the fear bolt my ass. At least let it be guaranteed with grunts, guards, slashers, and swarmers, and inconsistenly with praetorians and oppressors. Why the fuck would I use fear bolts, if I have to assume only HALF the enemies I shoot it at will fear AT BEST.
Yeah, that was a step too far in the opposite direction. It obviously shouldn't be able to scare away a bulk, but the fact that it barely even affects basic enemies now is... questionable, to say the least.
@@shaunhayes3072 It isn't his specialty, but you wish to god you have it when all your teammates are down and you have a full swarm spread around the map.
@@shaunhayes3072 nobody is suggesting horde clearing is scouts job or that scout has to be on par with other classes. Dynamic class roles are present throughout DRG and the nerf to the Drak hasn't really changed scout's contribution to horde clear in a pinch. Labeling horde clear as simply "not scout's job" just does not seem to be how GSG is balancing. Also "cry more" it's a minor nerf on a side grade lol. Are you serious?
@@shaunhayes3072 That is possible if you still have some CC left, but if there is a too big of a swarm they actually spread around the map meaning there will some ready to target you near the downed dwarf which you will have to clear before the main swarm you kited away comes back. Drak is still the best one at clearing trash bugs fast and that is where it has its utility.
I didn't see it mentioned but with the longer duration for the explosive bolts, did the total dot damage increase or did they keep the total dot damage the same over the longer duration?
do bugs die that die from the trail trigger the necro thermal explosion on coilgun? could be fun with hellfire OC, shoot the things, they burn, they explode
did the rewiring mod change reduce the amount of ammo you get back per overheat? it sounds like it regenerates ammo while its overheated so I don't know if the shorter time spent overheated makes the ammo refund less potent.
@@shaunhayes3072 penalty is only 32. Just take mag size and you get that ammo back. I've never run out of mines before the rest of my team needs a resup esp. because the giant radius kills clumps of bugs that I've kited or slowed with coilgun
The zhuk's conductive bullets change is weird, 3% seems extremely insignificant. The only explanation I could think of is that "1/3 extra damage" sounds a lot more appealing than "30% extra damage".
These numbers are understandable for automatic weapon like Zhukovs. You can't just add a bigger number for damage per shot to SMG that spits bullets like hell. I think, these buffs to Conductive bullets will give a better performance for Custom Casings and Gas Recycling (this one has buff too). Also, that would be a nice combo for recently buffed Electrifying Reload
YES good patch for me because they basically just buffed a weapon I love to use on each class. I look forward to messing around more with Chem Bolts, I feel they have potential just need to figure out if there's some sort of playstyle thing I can do with them to justify using them over Pheramone's insane horde control and Taser's amazing Single target lock down potential. I might try to use hurricane as an absolute awful sniper type weapon. Jetfuel Homebrew OC, 11113 and see what I can do with it. Probaaaably gonna keep the burst pistol on tho for more ammo efficence primary type thing.
The Drak-25 ammo nerf makes me honestly angry and disappointed at the developers. Honestly a stupid and a unfun change because i really liked that the Drak-25 had a lot of ammo.
I'd recommend 3 round bursting with the explosive chemical rounds OC. Ironically it comes with less damage and less ammo but it's incredibly ammo efficient if you have it
@@Chronically_ChiII As a religious smart-rifle user, I think its OCs are actually in a pretty good place. Even Neuro-Lasso, as much as everyone loves to clown on it, can be seriously useful in the right hands. It comes with one of the strongest slowdown effects in the game numerically speaking, and you don’t even need to fire a single bullet to use it.
I have a question about your testing methods. You test all weapons on haz 5 with 4 player damage scaling, but Sandbox Utilities doesn't actually have any way of changing the player scaling. Is there a separate mod you're using, or are you using Cheat Engine like with disabling enemy AI?
What script do you use with Custom difficulty that does both the haz 5 with 4 player hp scaling and also stops timed enemy spawns? I use the haz 5 carry script, but that doesn't stop the timed spawns.
I would like to understand how you get 498 damage with a power attack here 9:21. I have a formula that comes close but I'm not sure what is wrong. help?
Since that attack killed the enemy, it's not actually going to show the full damage-the damage numbers mod can only show as much damage as the HP the creature had left.
@@LazyMaybe Ah good to know! Although the value I was getting was lower so it can't possibly be correct lmao. I think I got the power attack damage components wrong I'm not sure.
Velocity on Hurricane's T2 might be the nerf actually, because it's main advantage is giving you more agility to rockets over velocity, so you can mindlessly lead targets with your crosshair and don't have to point it ahead of enemy path. Also it is must have pick for plasma bursters, because they would be able to circle in to big enough target like a pretorian on their own, without touching the ground most of the time, since again, turn speed is much higher than velocity. So i don't think it is reasonable and well thought change, hurricane already very mediocre weapon and if i would transfer some of mod/OC stats to base kit it would be rate of fire. It desperately need 4 RoF on base weapon and +0.5 from OC and T3 mod.
Personally I'm a little sad about endothermic explosions change. The explosion is always nice but with the previous version you could save a scout from being swarmed by shooting whatever platform they were on without blowing it up. Now you can't. Like I said, just a personal thing.
Damn, GSG is seriously trying to destroy Drak. At first, I thought it was a joke that GSG hates the Scout, but the more patches come out and the more I read about what they already did to my boy, I'm seriously starting to believe they are genuinely trying to ruin scout for everyone. What other possible explanation could there be for their blatant and complete refusal to buff GK2 in literally any way instead of nerfing all other weapons to the ground.
@@Chronically_ChiII I like the Drak, but I wouldn’t go that far. The M1k feels much more versatile to me. It easily hits all of the important grunt breakpoints (1 headshot, 2 normal body shots, and 1 focused body shot) and lots of others, it’s a hitscan weapon, and it comes with the option for super blowthrough rounds.
It is funny to see that people suggest that GK2 is underpowered, rather than thinking Drak and M1K is too poweful. You just can't stop using the OP things.
@@borgar_pizza_cat GK-2 is a bland, generic and boring Assault rifle type weapon with relatively weak stats. So i suggest that the devs should buff the GK-2 and stop nerfing the Drak-25.
@@Mestari1Gaming speaking about buffs for GK2 doesn't mean you don't need to nerf Drak-25. It got into the meta way too fast, so a bit of nerfs isn't that bad.
The drak ammo changes are so bad, they seem to want to ruin the drak so much, like season 1 drak was much more balanced and season 2 drak is way weaker. Devs should undo the drak nerfs and buff the GK2 instead.
Do you have a discord? You seem like the perfect person to explain these updates and what not, especially since I started last month ima need the help, ty :)
Still don't understand the nerf to Drak when M1k is still a better primary than Drak. And Gk2 is still way weaker than Drak. Basing nerfs and buffs off of purely just pickrates (which may have been the case from clues from their dev stream) is just.. a stupid way to go by it. I'd be fine with a Drak nerf, if they atleast gave us a reason we can understand. And not just a ''It got picked alot'' yeah I wonder why Drak, with a ton of versatility, customisation and alot of fun builds. While still being a better weapon than Gk2 balance wise, with a more ''fun'' way of shooting enemies. Is picked more than a boring, relatively weak, primary with little fun OCs to go about. Huh?
For the record max special bolt amount+duration is pretty nuts with tasers. Stack a couple of tasers on tanky enemies to turn them into melting snails
also why is necro thermal SO LOUD
Other drg test/info videos: ua-cam.com/play/PLqTo6tQ9tCOrABARyls3C94qzGo6TW3h_.html
20 second tasers are nuts
Yeah I blew up a whole crowd of bugs with necro thermal and my eardrums nearly exploded as well
Always appreciate the dwarven science videos. Also if you wanted to upload more gameplay videos again, I know I would watch them. I’d like to see your take on the hurricane especially. Rock N Stone!
Necro-Thermal is loud because that one time you actually manage to proc it during a mission, the team should know.
@@SFuruli
*Gasp* “….Was that the sound of..?”
Nice work. The devs gave you a shout out on yesterday’s stream for your feedback on blistering necrosis. RnS
thats awesoms
Will they give a shout out to people complaining about some of the unneeded changes too?
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 depends on how constructive the feedback is probably
@@krustin Did people complain about the drak being OP constructively? Or the stubby being UP that warranted the buff? The latter was welcomed, but not necessary; it certainly wasnt being argued by anyone, constructive or not. Ill probably write them a feedback, but i would love to get more information. The only guy that ive met whod defend gk2 to the death is incoherent, and others have been dismissive or downright show a lack of understanding as to why the gk2 is in a awkward spot (because they themselves dont even know why they dont use it, despite being unconscious of its problems)
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 @Sturm Magnunstein well since you mention the gk2, yeah its not good really, and I think nerfing the drak makes me hurt even more cuz it was so much better for a similar role imo, idk why they did that. The gk2 should have been buffed instead. I saw people angrily complain that the wave cooker was ruined stupidly by the devs, by the mega supply being nerfed.
Yeah, the Drak ammo reduction kinda makes no sense to me either. Glad to see the electrical and chemical bolt given a buff to make them viable.
If only we actually got the damage buff
It makes sense to me as Drak outshines both M1000 and GK2 IMO.
@@XaelathRavenstorm yeah it makes perfect sense , its just sad that instead of the other 2 guns getting buffed this one got nerfed a tad, they direly need to buff the gk2
I didn't even know there was a patch, but I figured out about the DRAK ammo nerf when I loaded into a game and there wasn't enough nitra for even 1 resupply in the first 3 chambers. This is an extremely rare occurrence, but I will forever be mentally scarred now by this ammo nerf because of this experience :D
@@XaelathRavenstorm I disagree, the m1000 has better single target damage and also obliterates grunt swarms with blowthrough + armor pierce mods, all without even needing overclocks. It is a bit hard to use, but it does make the Drak seem weak in comparison. I think they should have just buffed the GK2 instead
Don't get me wrong, Drak with Impact Deflection or Aggressive venting is great to kill grunts, but the m1k so effective at any range that I can't justify bringing the Drak over the m1000 to an Elite Deep Dive, unless it's just to mix things up for fun.
That drak Nerf hit a lot harder then I thought, I thought they'll just take 50 ammo from the ammo upgrade but not from base ammo. Thank God aggressive venting is a clean oc now because that would have hurt way more
Well, minelayer system got a nice buff. That .2 range bonus is more like a .4 radius bonus with minelayer.
I'm actually happy with stubby getting at least a small shift twords better electrocute chance on base. Now I can feel a bit better running other tier 1 mods with an electric build. Namely I may actually go for juicing the ammo instead to see if it feels more efficient in regards to ammo conservation on a few of my preferred overclocks.
I'm thinking the opposite. Better base proc chance means boosts to proc will stack even further. Even better proc chance means even better chance of electric arc. This is gonna turn Em Refire Booster into a straight-up AoE gun, and the one where you get way more ammo with reduced fire rate is gonna give you the best sustained AoE-per-resupply in the game.
@@BlissBatch the mod will still be at 50% total. The precent just got shifted so that the mod gives 5% less and the base gun has 5% more. Instead of 20%+30% it's now 25%+25%
These changes will free T2 upgrades for a bigger variety. That will encourage to play Discharge and EM Refire different. Also, I have a good feeling that Light-Weight rounds will feel better too
imo they need to get the idea out of their heads that Mega Powersupply needed a nerf (it did though) and instead embrace the idea that the wave cooker is just a bad fuckin weapon and they need to give it more to work with than just thermal shock spam if they expect anyone to ever unironically pick a different overclock.
Gamma Contamination would be good if it wasn't so horribly inconsistent with applying its effect and the same applies to Blistering Necrosis.
Liquid Cooling System feels like it does basically nothing.
Super Focusing Lens is a little too short range and relies on running a full damage build to perform decently. If they buffed Contagion transmitter then it could have a decent niche as a single target dps.
Diffusion Ray isn't bad but you're either sacrificing too much damage or too much ammo by taking it over MPS.
The problem is not Mega Powersupply is too strong it's that every other overclock is either too weak (Liquid Cooling System & Diffusion Ray), too restricted (Focusing Lens), or just performs well too inconsistently (Blistering Necrosis & Gamma Contamination). Just give the damn thing a little more ammo and tweak those chances for shit to do things up a notch.
yeah it seems like the devs are completely oblivious to how awful the CWC's ammo economy is. I checked using the karl site and the subata can easily hit 25% more total damage over the CWC despite being able to hit weakpoints for 240% damage.
@@KLIXORthe yeah. And when its being outclassed by the subata of all things... damn thats one sad weapon lmao.
The wave cooker ammo economy relies on it being pointed at lots of jellies/swarmers with wider lens upgrade imo. Spray for 5 ammo and the entire swarm in that general direction gone,even across the cave. Subata in the same situation will get you killed and spend way more than 5 ammo even if you survived it.the wave cooker will never be efficient for single targets like subata or the epc can,its the driller secondary of choice for swarmageddon missions
@@fps_maniac7937 there simply aren't enough situations like that for cwc to make up for having less total damage than subata. especially because "targets explode" crisper does the same thing without ruining your ability to exploit weakpoints.
I don't know about you guys, but the CWC easily replaced the subata and the EPC in my driller builds, now i use driller for everything but mining misions... Elimination? Sludge blast and cooker with corrosion synergy its sooo good, for everything else just flamethrower and temp shock its really strong, imo its an excellent weapon far better than subata and epc
These are all welcome changes imo, and will hopefully encourage more variety in OC and mod choices. Can't wait for the next weapon breakdown videos!
I desire wave cooker to interact with weakpoints. Specifically goo bomber mactera and wardens.
What do you mean? I've noticed it pops goo bomber weak points
@@Monkeyman12534 despite the health bar glowing yellow, the wave cooker doesn't actually do any weakpoint damage. shooting a weak point is exactly the same as shooting anywhere else. of course, you can still pop certain body parts like the goo bomber's sacs, brood nexus eyes, and i think blistering necrosis.
i disagree with OP though, its a pretty good finely tuned CC weapon. but of course as a driller you might not want extra CC because your primaries typically do that job, so its not an easy choice over the other secondaries which is good.
@@turmspitzewerk i think an OC that slims your field down even further but let's you do weakpoint damage could be cool. "Microwave laser-beam"
Necrosis changes seem to be absolutely NUTS in testing
I did not seem to find any use for this clock before the patch, but now im thinking about non-temp shock cryo build with it, since it can boost ice spear or cooker damage itself for so much.
Also found a lot of fun interactions with dreadnoughts, you could technically spawn a lot of necrosis spots on a boss bug, and then blow it up with C4 through several phases.
Im not sure how damage transfers with it from explosions tho, but if it transfers WHOLE 850 DAMAGE C4 this is not okay. It doesnt seem to do so, but still i managed to kill a 70% hive guard in one C4 and several blisters, so thats fun.
edit: I really want to test out this clock more and maybe even make a video, i just hope they wont change it too much
Do It, and please report!
If you ever make a weapon analysis playlist it would be helpful if things were in chronological order and included these at relevant points.
Always nice to have the extra content!
Taser Bolts still apply an additional, permanent version of their Proximity effect to robots they direct-hit. One Taser Bolt will EVENTUALLY kill a Nemesis by itself. This additional effect stacks with multiple direct-hits, so unloading 12 Tasers into a Nemesis means you get 12 permanent DOTs plus 12 temporary ones and it dies VERY quickly. I find 4 Tasers to be the sweet spot where the Nemesis will die fast enough and move slow enough for the duration that I don't really need to worry about it anymore and can save my ammo for other things.
great tip, thanks. is it worth doing against a patrol bot in your experience?
@@AveragePearEnjoyer Solo maybe. In team, the patrol bots will most likely die before the 12-15 second duration is up anyway so the "permanent" dot doesn't matter, though the double damage is nice. Patrolers are pretty hard to hit with bolts as well in my experience, so you risk wasting a lot of ammo missing.
Drak ammo nerf hurts. I can feel the difference. Oh well, I guess GSG secretly wants us to use Rewiring OC?
Honestly a fun mod.
Just keep that M1 taped down and sometimes press R
@@Chronically_ChiIIThey secretly want you to use GK2 and M1K
I don't know but with driller main, we keep getting more CC and less single target. I love the pump with maxed particles and the effect it has on haz 5 teams, but I'd like to move on from plasma as my secondary even if terra forming with it is so much fun.
Thank you got posting these patch changes! Looking forward to more videos! 👍🏻😁
Weird fact: Blistering Necrosis can give boils to the floating rocks and the Unknown Horror (although it deals no damage in the case of the latter).
Rhanks for the breakdown of this patch ypu make it much easier to understand.
Really enjoy the content, no bullshit, just actual numbers breakdowns and then how things are applied practically.
I'm personally fine with the narrowing of the default beam of the wave cooker. Maybe now I'll stop cooking my friends that are standing next to me.
Honestly I agree a lot, I use gamma contamination and I consider the shortened aoe an upside because I'm not cooking friendlies behind me
it honestly shouldn't even do team damage. like theres a reason sticky flames and autocannon explosions dont hurt teammates, cwc shouldn't do team damage for the same reason.
@@KLIXORthe or maybe the sticky flames and autocannon explosions should hurt teammates instead? and maybe buff up the damage more so it feels like im playing helldivers.
Drak just keeps getting nerfed, eh? I wonder why. Yet Gk2 remains unchanged. I think i know what theyre trying to do, but Im not going to do it. You cant make me switch over to the gk2.
Its really odd how they're so focused on leveling the playing field between the Drak and GK2 yet refuse to buff anything about the latter, instead just wanting to keep nerfing the former.
Just a bit more extra damage or something on the GK2 and it'd be a solid contender against both the Drak and MK1000.
I dont get this, why nerf the drak instead of buffing the other weapons. With the introduction of the Drak a felt like the scout to have a bigger impact on matches instead of just beeing everyones mining whore
@@DrMostlySane It just needs blow through rounds.
@@DrMostlySane GK2 with AI engine and an aim bot couldn’t keep up with DRAK TEF doing body shots half the time.
I only use the drak on elemination missions while the gk2 is for other missions. M1k comes out when I don’t feel like using gk2.
Going to guess the Wave cooker width nerf was so just building for pure width was less tempting because this thing could be built to cover a crazy amount of area and not only dealing a crazy amount of damage but also killing some frame rates. Still vary happy for the Clistering Necrosis change!
Of all the little changes amd fixes, the dazzler module and catalyst ones were my fave. Comboing the two allows you to practically lock bugs on top of your platforms, as shooting the plats largens your AOE and applies the slow to all bugs caught in it. I haven't tested it super extensively and I'm no pro at the game, but it's a lot of fun.
I really like the stacking slow and electric effect for the taser bolts. Its nice on Elimination, and better now for general use with increased ammo and duration. Can you make a video on it?
But still on elemination... can it compete with zhukovs detonators? I think not.
@@TheBarser Yes it can, Triforks volley is very good for elim mission because of the burst, you can have both taser (the slow on it is very good) and triforks.
@@TheBarser Im unsure. From a solo standpoint maybe not. But the benefit of being able to basically 'stop' a dread from moving in a group setting during burst windows is beneficial.
@@Zasurein yeah it seems much more useful now. Just not sure it is worth taking on elimination when you have detonators, but I will try it out.
Also since most common bugs have a 50% fear resist that meant the old armskore t3 fear mod was really only effectively a 37.5 fear chance. Even if you don't care about the trail anti-synergy and just wanted pure cc it was still usually worse than the stun mod which always confused me, so I'm glad that this one got changed even if it's still generally not that useful
I've been using the Fear mod with the Hellfire OC all along, and it was very reliable at making Praetorians turn their weakpoint to me. Can't say I remember it failing as much as 62.5%. With that said, I find the radius buff to be more of a nerf now. Grunts that were on path to run into the lingering trail will run away from it now.
@@SFuruli Yeah that sounds kind of annoying..
I generally don't like fear that much in general. its okay on the thunderhead with neurotoxin but the direction they run is hard to predict and they actually get a speed boost while fleeing. really easy to send a crowd of bugs at super speed straight towards your teammates. stun is a far superior crowd control effect, it makes the bugs easier to shoot, and easier to stay away from. if you want praets to show you their ass, try stunning them and then getting behind with the dash perk, and then stun them again as you unload.
@@AveragePearEnjoyer The stun is only 50% with a rather short duration, and the situation and distance doesn't always allow for running behind when there's bugs with the Praetorian. If it's a distance to the Praetorian it also impractical. Shooting more than one shot means I'm spending a lot of Coilgun ammo on a Praetorian, which isn't really worth it. One fear has actually proven very effective, and it sends bugs running into the trail who weren't on the path of doing so.
@@AveragePearEnjoyer I mean, that requires you to waste an entire dash to do that when fear does the same thing without needing a dash. Also NTP with Suppressive Fire is more than just okay, it's absurdly broken, especially on modded haz levels. The fear wears off based on distance traveled instead of a timer, so in cases where the fear is paired with slowdown effects it can be really strong, and the neurotoxin effect slows down bugs. There's a lot of other things like how stun has a cooldown on enemies while fear (I believe) doesn't.
Bullets of mercy was already really good with taser bolts (with specialist) and this buff will only make it better.
yeah, I run the exact same build. either take the t5 duration mod and the t2 special ammo mod and use regular bolts for lootbugs, wandering small single enemies, leeches, etc or take the t2 damage mod and the t5 magnetic shafts to up your normal bolt's damage output by quite a bit. I prefer the former because I am already using BOM to follow up the taser bolt and its hard to get full value out of both mag shafts and BOM when taking out a big boy. also the ammo and duration lets you actually use the taser bolts for some solid crowd control in a pinch. another great thing is that taser bolts can electrify oppressors and dreads, which pretty much no other secondary setup can do, making it so you can set up BOM with no questions asked. very nice.
Boils no longer do critical mental damage to your teammates. Lol
3:05 The fear buff was really significant. The best way to use it is in combination with electrical trail to hold them in place a bit and pair coil with either StunMinigun or StunHurricane. Fear/Stun combo very nicely and you can put Praets/Ward/Menace into an endless loop until they're dead.
So you trade a small amount of damage for a pretty hefty amount of crowd control. Also if a praet gets it's breath off on you, combined with the damage resist mod and partial charge, you can cancel it in time to prevent your shield from breaking. It works every time, unlike stun. Oh lastly, I also love that the reliable fear makes it really easy to save my teammates who get swarmed on and it works 100% of the time.
Takes a little thought and adjustment in practice but I think they did a good job making fear more competitive with stun.
No changes to GK2. Sadge.
love these deep explanations. please do every gun in deep rock.
hell yeah more weapon guides
THANK YOU
I appreciate the Rabi Ribi bgm. Good game.
Awesome
Nice use of Rabi-Ribi music
The change to explode arrow is huge. It used to require extra damage to explode a grunt (or extra duration from OC/mod), which can be tricky when your target is in a large swarm. Now you can hardly messed up.
They have some pretty nice changes honestly
I'm surprised it was listed in the general bug fix notes, but up until this patch the Coilgun could not damage the Overseer, which was certainly an interesting thing to deal with @~@ , especially given how well Hellfire deals with turrets.
Thank you so much for this video! Rock and Stone !
Note that Volatile Impact Mixture for sludger is absolutely insane if you pair it with blistering necrosis. It pops blisters with charged shots every time no matter where you hit the enemy from what I can tell. It's pretty good single target damage and clears packs of praetorians at a ridiculous pace
Super late comment but I figured I'd bring up the fear on Coilgun. While yeah, making the bugs run away doesn't necessarily sound great at first, it's become one of my favorite mods on Coilgun for it's team support utility. I've saved unaware allies from getting slash n' bashed by a wave coming up behind them, warded off Mactera Trijaw hordes, and gotten some clutch revives off, too. Not to mention it's saved my own hide more times than I can count.
Don't know if it'll be patched out but the 50% damage resist on coil gun is pretty nice. Not just because it helps prevent damage from bugs but it works for fall damage as well, unlike the autocannon. I'd like it even without that since there is no delay compared to the autocannon so with good reaction time you can prevent a lot of damage.
The chemical bolt buff is nice for playing solo. I tried to use Chemical Bolt solo and lure some bugs onto the affected enemy, but by the time anyone else got near it, it would already wear off. It's probably not a big deal in multiplayer, because I'm sure a gunner would already kill the bug 2 seconds into the effect, but it should be a lot easier to pull off in a solo game at least.
This almost feels like the game telling me to use different builds with Scout lmao. Prior to this patch, I was using nothing but Drak and pheromone bolts, but now Drak got nerfed and chemical bolts got buffed-
I can’t believe they buffed base hurricane’s projectile speed (since AB is STILL BROKEN AUGH)
They didn't buff the base, they buffed the T2A mod.
I'm pretty sure that Hurricane's Armor Break is actually working now. I've noticed armor has been breaking very consistently with the mod equipped.
The blistering necrosis changes are so great for soloing dreadnauts now. By spawing 3 or 4 weakpoints on a twin you can drop a satchel to one-shot it. Sadly you can't one-shot the dreadnaut or hiveguard but you can still do half their hp.
Would've hoped for a tiny damage buff to go alongside the ammo nerf on the drak, or a velocity buff, something other than just a downright nerf
@@shaunhayes3072 true tbh
Developers should stop nerfing the Drak-25 and they should instead buff the GK-2.
Good change to the fear bolt my ass. At least let it be guaranteed with grunts, guards, slashers, and swarmers, and inconsistenly with praetorians and oppressors.
Why the fuck would I use fear bolts, if I have to assume only HALF the enemies I shoot it at will fear AT BEST.
Yeah, that was a step too far in the opposite direction. It obviously shouldn't be able to scare away a bulk, but the fact that it barely even affects basic enemies now is... questionable, to say the least.
hey lazy baby, am i going insane or did you recently post a boomstick breakdown video ????
I can't believe they keep nerfing the drak. The other weapons for scout just don't feel that good in this hoard clearing game
Blowthrough M1K feels good, but the GK2 is just flat out depressing.
@@shaunhayes3072 It isn't his specialty, but you wish to god you have it when all your teammates are down and you have a full swarm spread around the map.
@@shaunhayes3072 thank fuck people like you aren't on the balance team at gsg
@@shaunhayes3072 nobody is suggesting horde clearing is scouts job or that scout has to be on par with other classes. Dynamic class roles are present throughout DRG and the nerf to the Drak hasn't really changed scout's contribution to horde clear in a pinch. Labeling horde clear as simply "not scout's job" just does not seem to be how GSG is balancing.
Also "cry more" it's a minor nerf on a side grade lol. Are you serious?
@@shaunhayes3072 That is possible if you still have some CC left, but if there is a too big of a swarm they actually spread around the map meaning there will some ready to target you near the downed dwarf which you will have to clear before the main swarm you kited away comes back.
Drak is still the best one at clearing trash bugs fast and that is where it has its utility.
I didn't see it mentioned but with the longer duration for the explosive bolts, did the total dot damage increase or did they keep the total dot damage the same over the longer duration?
do bugs die that die from the trail trigger the necro thermal explosion on coilgun? could be fun with hellfire OC, shoot the things, they burn, they explode
I still eagerly await justice for EM Discharge.
These Stubby buffs might be considered as inderect buff to this overclock
did the rewiring mod change reduce the amount of ammo you get back per overheat? it sounds like it regenerates ammo while its overheated so I don't know if the shorter time spent overheated makes the ammo refund less potent.
Minelayer is completely fucking busted now lol. 3.3 meter radius
@@shaunhayes3072 penalty is only 32. Just take mag size and you get that ammo back. I've never run out of mines before the rest of my team needs a resup esp. because the giant radius kills clumps of bugs that I've kited or slowed with coilgun
The zhuk's conductive bullets change is weird, 3% seems extremely insignificant. The only explanation I could think of is that "1/3 extra damage" sounds a lot more appealing than "30% extra damage".
These numbers are understandable for automatic weapon like Zhukovs. You can't just add a bigger number for damage per shot to SMG that spits bullets like hell.
I think, these buffs to Conductive bullets will give a better performance for Custom Casings and Gas Recycling (this one has buff too). Also, that would be a nice combo for recently buffed Electrifying Reload
9:51 Don't forget the EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
I didn't use Drak cause of the ammo, now with the nerf I'll never use it...
Great video and info, but I had to comment because the way you say "halved" drives me slightly insane. The L is silent, much the same as in "half"
5:47 a year and a half later and they still never bothered to actually implement the boltshark chemical bolt buff lmao
YES good patch for me because they basically just buffed a weapon I love to use on each class. I look forward to messing around more with Chem Bolts, I feel they have potential just need to figure out if there's some sort of playstyle thing I can do with them to justify using them over Pheramone's insane horde control and Taser's amazing Single target lock down potential.
I might try to use hurricane as an absolute awful sniper type weapon. Jetfuel Homebrew OC, 11113 and see what I can do with it. Probaaaably gonna keep the burst pistol on tho for more ammo efficence primary type thing.
What's the mod you use for the shooting range, again?
Why do they keep nerfing the drak? smh
The Drak-25 ammo nerf makes me honestly angry and disappointed at the developers. Honestly a stupid and a unfun change because i really liked that the Drak-25 had a lot of ammo.
Still no LOK-1 ammo buff... 😔
I'd recommend 3 round bursting with the explosive chemical rounds OC. Ironically it comes with less damage and less ammo but it's incredibly ammo efficient if you have it
why would you need that? It's currently the best engi primary.
Maybe they should just buff all the OC's that are isn't the ECR or executioner.
@@Chronically_ChiII As a religious smart-rifle user, I think its OCs are actually in a pretty good place. Even Neuro-Lasso, as much as everyone loves to clown on it, can be seriously useful in the right hands. It comes with one of the strongest slowdown effects in the game numerically speaking, and you don’t even need to fire a single bullet to use it.
do these changes also apply to the xbox (game pass, pc) version?
I don't play on it at all, but based on the discord patch notes channel they haven't hit there yet?
No GK buff?
I have a question about your testing methods.
You test all weapons on haz 5 with 4 player damage scaling, but Sandbox Utilities doesn't actually have any way of changing the player scaling.
Is there a separate mod you're using, or are you using Cheat Engine like with disabling enemy AI?
I'm using custom difficulty to change enemy scaling, as well as prevent natural timed waves of enemies.
What script do you use with Custom difficulty that does both the haz 5 with 4 player hp scaling and also stops timed enemy spawns? I use the haz 5 carry script, but that doesn't stop the timed spawns.
@@TheOrderofXIII Under "EnemyWaveInterval" and "EnemyNormalWaveInterval", just change the min/max numbers to 9999.
@@LazyMaybe Thank you, I'll do that.
Better make DRAK worse instead of buffing the GK.
Christ, sometimes . . .
Are these live on ps4 too?
Why didn’t they just make the crossbow automatic?
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Is this just on PC or consoles too?
This patch has not hit consoles yet. Did this update hit steam last week? Any idea when consoles will get this?
Out now
They also reverted the barrel nerf. Thank ROCK AND STONE the game was unplayable with this nerf in place!
For what weapon?
@@Chronically_ChiII The barrels not a weapon, they put a cool down on how often you could kick them.
I would like to understand how you get 498 damage with a power attack here 9:21. I have a formula that comes close but I'm not sure what is wrong. help?
Since that attack killed the enemy, it's not actually going to show the full damage-the damage numbers mod can only show as much damage as the HP the creature had left.
@@LazyMaybe Ah good to know! Although the value I was getting was lower so it can't possibly be correct lmao. I think I got the power attack damage components wrong I'm not sure.
I didn't like the Drak before - but now I regard it even worse. Just not my type of gun. I like the standard gun or the m1. (Yes I call it that).
The m1000 without hipster feels like dogwater the drak is a crowd gun
It’s obviously not meant for crowd control.
@@Kingofdragons117 say that to aggressive venting and bouncy shots
Velocity on Hurricane's T2 might be the nerf actually, because it's main advantage is giving you more agility to rockets over velocity, so you can mindlessly lead targets with your crosshair and don't have to point it ahead of enemy path. Also it is must have pick for plasma bursters, because they would be able to circle in to big enough target like a pretorian on their own, without touching the ground most of the time, since again, turn speed is much higher than velocity. So i don't think it is reasonable and well thought change, hurricane already very mediocre weapon and if i would transfer some of mod/OC stats to base kit it would be rate of fire. It desperately need 4 RoF on base weapon and +0.5 from OC and T3 mod.
Hurricane isn't mediocre at all, what?
@@socksleeve Just like minigun. Sorry, i believe in auto-cannon supremacy, don't get this opinion to close to your heart.
Personally I'm a little sad about endothermic explosions change. The explosion is always nice but with the previous version you could save a scout from being swarmed by shooting whatever platform they were on without blowing it up. Now you can't. Like I said, just a personal thing.
Fair trade for such powerful buffs like bigger damage from explosions, faster and more consistent trigger, and auto-cycle after the explosion
@@borgar_pizza_cat it is, but like I said it's just a personal thing. I can't take care of me wee scouts anymore.
Damn, GSG is seriously trying to destroy Drak. At first, I thought it was a joke that GSG hates the Scout, but the more patches come out and the more I read about what they already did to my boy, I'm seriously starting to believe they are genuinely trying to ruin scout for everyone. What other possible explanation could there be for their blatant and complete refusal to buff GK2 in literally any way instead of nerfing all other weapons to the ground.
Last patch nerf on drak was justifiable I thought, this one is meh.
Still the best "all around" primary
@@Chronically_ChiII I like the Drak, but I wouldn’t go that far. The M1k feels much more versatile to me. It easily hits all of the important grunt breakpoints (1 headshot, 2 normal body shots, and 1 focused body shot) and lots of others, it’s a hitscan weapon, and it comes with the option for super blowthrough rounds.
It is funny to see that people suggest that GK2 is underpowered, rather than thinking Drak and M1K is too poweful. You just can't stop using the OP things.
@@borgar_pizza_cat GK-2 is a bland, generic and boring Assault rifle type weapon with relatively weak stats.
So i suggest that the devs should buff the GK-2 and stop nerfing the Drak-25.
@@Mestari1Gaming speaking about buffs for GK2 doesn't mean you don't need to nerf Drak-25. It got into the meta way too fast, so a bit of nerfs isn't that bad.
The fear mod on the coil gun is so pointless…
Whens console getting this
The drak ammo changes are so bad, they seem to want to ruin the drak so much, like season 1 drak was much more balanced and season 2 drak is way weaker. Devs should undo the drak nerfs and buff the GK2 instead.
Do you have a discord? You seem like the perfect person to explain these updates and what not, especially since I started last month ima need the help, ty :)
Still don't understand the nerf to Drak when M1k is still a better primary than Drak. And Gk2 is still way weaker than Drak.
Basing nerfs and buffs off of purely just pickrates (which may have been the case from clues from their dev stream)
is just.. a stupid way to go by it.
I'd be fine with a Drak nerf, if they atleast gave us a reason we can understand. And not just a ''It got picked alot''
yeah I wonder why Drak, with a ton of versatility, customisation and alot of fun builds. While still being a better weapon than Gk2 balance wise, with a more ''fun'' way of shooting enemies. Is picked more than a boring, relatively weak, primary with little fun OCs to go about. Huh?
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