In game lore states the vikings left valkenheim a long time ago then came back but they forgot their culture. Which led to the knights not believing these were the same vikings that gave them ashfeld. Shaman could be a remnant of that lost culture?
I like to imagine the Vikings simply had inhabited England and through there recruited Celtic mercenaries such as the Highlander and shaman, I also kinda think that the Vikings made it all the way to North America which explains why Vikings have potatoes in story mode.
@@googlesearchhistory5249 I actually like this idea, considering we are past early medieval age at the time of For Honor and the vikings have their longships it is very possible they traveled a lot, plus we have other continents and nations outside of Heathmoor, we know this thanks to Gibbon, although I still don’t buy the whole Shaman is based on a Pict, unless it is like way down the line combined with Viking settlers or with a lot of artistic liberty, but hey unless confirmed everything is possible
@@zur2016 As a mohawk i cak confirm i also noticed this. Even her tattoos have similarity to our traditional designs. Oh how i wish she wasnt genderlocked 😢
You are correct, one of the early For Honor developers did a livestream after the Shaman first came out. She confirmed that the Shaman is based on the Picts.
@@zur2016 yes, the truth that Shaman is a pict Sure you can believe she's based off of Native Americans but as RavenKnight said, that couldn't be possible because nothing really hints that she's a native american that the Vikings brought back to Valkenheim, which only means that she's a Pict, hell you could argue she's a Mayan because of the execution where she rips off their heart
I could be wrong but I think I read somewhere that someone who was mental ill was viewed as a gift from the gods and the picts were very fierce warriors to the point that Julius Cesar was afraid of them
I love Heroes in History, and this one is definitely one of my favorites, I never thought in the Picts as a possible origin for the Hsaman but with all this explanation and contrast now it’s impossible for me to see another option. Take care.😁
Shes obviously based on the germanic seeress, the volva. Other than the voices in their heads their lore reads the same as the real life volvas whom were also living on the brim of society. The faction is called Vikings so of course they're based on the viking "shamans" whom were all female in contrast to their priestly class, kind of like druids, whom were all male. The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the norse sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing. Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors. The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of these magical creatures since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót. This has nothing to do with celts and especially not picts...
@@giggityskull8986 You can't claim that something is based on something when it has literally nothing in common with the thing it is supposed to be based on. Theres nothing celtic about her, but alot of things about her is named after literal norse traditions. I don't care what a bunch of people who thinks samurai wore wooden armor says, theres nothing pictish or celtic about her, therefore she is not pictish or celtic. They can say that the sun does not exist but that doesn't change reality.
@@vergil8833 there is literally many things about her that scream celtic bro. And pictish. Remember that in the lore of for honor the Vikings came across the Highlanders, and they do a lot of cross culture things, you can see it in their weapons and armor. Shaman is one of those celts. The problem is the Picts barely left anything behind of their culture for us to find. The developers themselves confirmed this. She is pict, not Norse, not Viking. She is celtic
@@giggityskull8986 Nope, theres zero celtic things about her, you might aswell call her an african zulu warrior. Shes just a fantasy version of the Volva. The Highlander is different because the Highlanders come from the same origin as the Gallowglass whom were vikings who settled in Scotland. I know you don't know much about ancient history, particularily archeologically which is fine because the developers don't know either, but theres absolutely zero celtic things about her, especially little pictish. When most of her things are named after the norse while performing literal norse sacrifices in her executions it is borderline insane to claim that shes anything other than norse. Shes a fantasy volva, that is all. No, the weapons are not pictish, the axe is distinctly norse shaped, pictish axes had a rounded blade with a thick point of connection to the wood, more like a modern hatchet. Neither of them had Kukris but the norse had the very similar Seax, the picts did not have knives like that, they used spears and roman-like swords and hatchet-like axes. They were painted, just like germanic tribes were, nome of these people had tattoos but the vikings in the game all have tattoos because the vikings TV show made it seem like something all vikings had. None of this indicates picts, shes no closer to a pict than she is to a zulu warrior. 100% norse.
I don't normally feel the need to drop comments but your deep lore dive of shaman really makes me appreciate the character. I like the wild animal instinct of her, thank you for your videos, and keep it up my guy
Why does everyone here strive to explain her as all the things shes not? Shes literally the germanic seeress.. the viking volva... It's an all female religious germanic social class... Shes not celtic, slavic, native american, or sami. Everything about her is germanic... The faction is literally called the vikings yet you guys struggle to place her in the correct culture AKA the germanic...
@@vergil8833 Dude chill out I said what she reminds me of due to the facts about pagan slavs I know about. Read about it first then come with your facts and make an argument not like this with you attacking my opinion and the opinions of others.
Old pagan slavs? I have a slavic neighbour and I swear she has to be method acting for the past 10 years or so to really pull off a cosplay because that woman is crazy!
@@vergil8833 Yo, chill with “Germanic”. Germans aren’t special, they are just like every other European. Scandinavians and Germans are very different, stop calling them what they aren’t.
Hey Raivin love the vid you've resparked my interest in history again also I wanna thank you. I'm Scottish but moved away so growing up I didn't learn much about my history but you and some other UA-camrs have shown me how cool history really is especially if my own people. Also Shamen being a pic or however you spell it is pretty unique I wouldn't have thought of it
This kinda makes me sad if the Pict inspiration is accurate because we would probably never get a badass painted man with those badass celtic shields or swords
Well they did win against the romans irl without any armor so i dont think they were doing much biting, if youre talking about in game shamans teeth must be made of diamond cuz that shit slips through a steel neck like butter
I always assumed that Shaman was more based on Wales pre-Rome, as basically all Celts that time could be described as Picts especially by Romans who wouldn't really care for the intricacies, I mainly say that I think she's Pre-Rome Welsh is because a lot of her Weapon names have Welsh names, for instance, the set I use is called Ddraig Aur, which means "Gold Dragon," then again, Lawbringer also has a weapon set with a Welsh name Ceffyl Dwr which means "Water Horse"
I have schizophrenic and hear voices, and mine aren’t violent unless I got really mad the one or two get violent and yes I’m on meds for them Raven Knight keep up the amazing work
When Shaman first came out in FH, i hated her. I didn't like her design, players complained about her beign "OP" and unbalanced (in part she was) and it looked to me like a disgusting tomboy (how naive i was, if pirate had been introduced at that time...). But here i am, a Shaman main, and i love her. How did this happen? ...
The Picts if we were to assign a culture group to them would most likely be Brythonic since the two closest languages to the Pictish language is Welsh and Cumbric themselves being the two closest related Brythonic languages
This video does not have accurate information at all. I'll give you an actual dose of history since this guy just wanted to steal a germanic social class and make it about the picts. Shes obviously based on the germanic seeress, the volva. Other than the voices in their heads their lore reads the same as the real life volvas whom were also living on the brim of society. The faction is called Vikings so of course they're based on the viking "shamans" whom were all female in contrast to their priestly class, kind of like druids, whom were all male. And viking culture didn't come from celtic or the picts, the north germanic people whom became the vikings were the original germanic tribes, which is older than celtic culture whom became the picts because of how early the forest steppe peoples moved into scandinavia and mixed, creating the first indo-european cultres AKA the germanic culture, in contrast to the long-run migrations into central europe which created the celtic culture, which would then take ages to reach Scotland and create the picts. The vikings come from a norse gothic culture, which is also where the seeresses of the germanic tribes came from, in the viking age they were called the volva. Thats clearly what the shaman was based on. It would be really strange to use a vague idea of a celtic culture in order to create a character for a viking faction. It works with the Highlander since the Gallowglass warrior class from Scotland (big scottish men with two handed swords who were mercenaries in Ireland) came from norse families, AKA viking settlers in Scotland who went and became two handed swordsmen in Ireland. The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the norse sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing. Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors. The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping these elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of these magical creatures since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót.
@@vergil8833 except for the fact that the devs based her off of Picts when designing her…. They said this in a stream. Also, hardly any of the characters are solidly based on real history, let alone their movesets
@@ethanclem3383 Theres no such as basing a female warrior in leather off of picts. There has never been any such picts. So they're talking out of their asses. None of the names involved with the character are celtic let alone pictish, they're all norse. It is like taking a cowboy character and saying you based him off of a mongol warrior. They can say it as much as they want but it is not true because the base they're speaking of does not exist.
@@vergil8833 you can’t say with certainty that there have never been any such picts seeing as how we know very little about them. Also to say that there is zero Pictish aspects wouldn’t be true
@@ethanclem3383 Are you saying that they were inspired by a non-existant concept of non-substansiated female pictish warriors while giving their executions and armors and weapons norse names? And no, there really is zero pictish aspects of the for honor shaman, a true honest full blown zero.
I freakin knew it! I mean I suspected that's what shaman was based on before but now I know it, pictish blood in my veins and I like shaman more than highlander in game. Permanent main
Huh...that's interesting. I'm guessing this is where Braveheart got their whole esthetic from? Also, kind of wonder if we'll get a hero with actual Celtic origins for the Vikings eventually. I can definitely see that as a viable option...though granted, figuring out how to differentiate them from the other Viking heroes is the tricky part seeing as all the Celtic weapons, as far as I'm aware, are already taken by the other Vikings.
This is the most ahistorical comment section I've seen. Celtic origin for the vikings? Thats like saying they should make the Japanese the origin of the Chinese... Vikings are germanic, theres nothing celtic about any of this. Shes obviously based on the germanic seeress, the volva. Other than the voices in their heads their lore reads the same as the real life volvas whom were also living on the brim of society. The faction is called Vikings so of course they're based on the viking "shamans" whom were all female in contrast to their priestly class, kind of like druids, whom were all male. And viking culture didn't come from celtic or the picts, the north germanic people whom became the vikings were the original germanic tribes, which is older than celtic culture which became the picts as a whole because of how early the forest steppe peoples moved into scandinavia and mixed, in contrast to the long-run migrations into central europe which created the celtic culture, which would then take ages to reach Scotland and create the picts. The vikings come from a norse gothic culture, which is also where the seeresses of the germanic tribes came from, in the viking age they were called the volva. Thats clearly what the shaman was based on. It would be really strange to use a vague idea of a celtic culture in order to create a character for a viking faction. It works with the Highlander since the Gallowglass warrior class (big scottish men with two handed swords who were mercenaries in Ireland) came from norse families, AKA viking settlers in Scotland who went and became two handed swordsmen in Ireland. The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the norse sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing. Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors. The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of these magical creatures since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót. You can't just take something from one culture and go "hmm, this fits into mine, yoink."
@@vergil8833Dude you're getting too caught up on historical accuracy. Step back and realize we're discussing for honor. The foundations for a lot of characters can have a basis in history but its largely free reign with creative license. Oversized weapons, leather armor, tattoos, dual wielding, etc. Clearly Ubisoft sees the viking faction as the barbarian faction. Thats why we get an abundance of leather, painted, and shoeless armor. Jorm is a perfect example of this. I still want historically influenced viking characters but I'd much rather expand into surrounding cultures than get another shoeless entirely ahistorical character. An axe and shield viking is about the only viking I can imagine adding at this point without rehashing in some way. Besides, the introduction of the chinese faction was dumb to me since we already had roman knights and scottish vikings. Ubisoft already made it clear they could "reach" outside faction lines for similar characters. So I don't really understand your "cultural yoink" comment because cultural mixing within the factions is already a thing.
@@krakenmckraken9128 The cultural yoink has nothing to do with the game, it has everything to do with trying to explain the shaman as a pictish thing when she is very clearly based on something very germanic. I would much rather they expand to another faction rather than fill the viking faction up with celts and slavs since they haven't actually gone into historical vikings at all. I think the weapon limitation is silly since they have already shown that they're willing to have multiple of each weapon, theres like 3 katanas now plus a straight chinese version of the katana, so to add another dane axe for a Huskarl hero for example should be perfectly fine. Another great viking character concept would be something based on the heros of the sagas whom usually just carry a single one handed sword, like the wielders of Tyrfing, Beowulf, Sigurd the dragonslayer and so on. So a viking character who wears cloth and only carries one sword while using his free hand to perform viking martial arts (glima) is what the viking faction actually needs. Not a bunch of dirty people in leather. And the Highlander isn't all that outside of the culture since what leads to the highlander type of warrior in Scotland comes from the norse settlers. It started with the norse people who settled in Scotland and became mercenaries in ireland, they were called the Gallowglass and they did wield famous two handed swords. So the highlander in the game isn't too far off since he can be considered a decendant of viking culture. They should add a new factionc alled "the forest people" or something then they can put in a bunch of stragglers, caltic warriors, slavic warriors, maybe even a stray viking in form of the Varangians whos like a hybrid between the knights and vikings the same faction as a completely nude pict.
@@vergil8833 I'm not disagreeing with a lot of what you said. Especially the one handed sword with glima. But I really doubt ubisoft is going to do any of that. I'd just rather see celtic inspired heroes over shoeless crackheads in the future.
Why do people pronounce Celtic as sell-tic?… as an Irishman it’s always confused me because I nor my friends nor my family say it like that, we pronounce it kelt-ick
Picts were a Brythonic culture , there language is very close to two of the closest Brythonic language Welsh and Cumbric . The Brythonic inhabitants of what is now Cumbria or the Old north in Welsh would of often interacted with the Picts . Also Brythonic tribes would often have there own individual gods that only they worshipped. There were gods of individual rivers so most likely the goddess of the Picts was a tribal goddess
I love the fact when the realese shaman from the trailers they dont say anything abt her past makes her feel like she is very different and is from some mysterious place. And i was leading more to the skraeling theory becuz her ornamnet ane how she looks like skin colour look to me like native american
You guys are out here looking at dust to try and steal culture lmao. No, the shaman is the germanic seeress, the vikings called them volva. They lived on the brink of society and all. You guys really take the fact that she rips someones heart out as a sign that shes native american as if the vikings don't describe just as much brutality. Ever heard of the blood eagle? It's not native american, it's not celtic, it's as germanic as it gets.
In the lore highlander are allies of the Viking faction I wondered if shaman was a Allie to the Viking faction just like the highlander or even if the shamans and highlanders were in together the same group
"European culture is not real culture"? really?!? Wow. That statement tells me sooo much about the prejudices this person is carrying with them. Just wow.
@@RavenKnightYT Understandably. Btw. just found you over your Infographics crusade vid and subscribed. ^.^ I´m an ancient hisotrian myselfe, so if you should happen to have some ancient topic, I will gladly give support to a fellow scholar should it be needed. Till your next vid! ;)
@@somehistorynerd ur forgetting the Wu Lin. Although yes the Knights will win against the Vikings and Samurais but the Wu Lin is no pushover. I say the Wu Lin might even be a challenge for the Knights
@Dairy Dragone, absolutely, in fact, the Wu Lin probably have the best chance against the Knights, they could give each other a run for their money. If I’m not mistaken the realistic rankings would be: 1. Knights (Tin Cans) 2. Wu Lin (The Ballerinas) 3. Samurai (The Weebs) 4. Vikings (The Neckbeards)
Rome had basically conquered Scotland, in the battle of Mons Graupius, which, while we don’t know exactly where it took place is theorised to have been in the north-west of Scotland. The Romans won the battle obviously, whenever the Picts tried to fight the Romans conventionally, they like all the other British Celts, were often smashed. The reason the Roman’s left was because in their surveys of Scotland, they personally found nothing worth taking, if they did they would’ve stayed, also the Picts were an absolute pain in the ass. Also, thinking about Barbarian tribes the Romans fought, it’d be really cool to see a Thracian or Dacian hero, the Thracians, which included Dacians were a highly militarised people who were renowned as warriors by the Greeks and Romans. Herodotus said the Thracians were the most powerful people in the world, but it was only by their disunity that they didn’t consume Greece. The Thracians had this infamous weapon called the Falx, a two or one handed sickle sword like weapon, that was feared by the Romans, because it could pierce or heavily damage the armour the Romans wore, and due to it’s forward curve could curve around their shields to nick the Romans in the arm. The Dacian Wars were one of the few frontiers, wherein Romans wore specialised armour like reinforced helmets and Manica, such was how seriously they took the Dacian threat.
That would be cool to see actually. Would definitely help considering the Vikings don't exactly have much other influences to work on...as far as I'm aware of course.
Man I freaking love my European genetic history! .....no im not a racist im mixed I love all my genetic history but damn that's so cool. Im a lot Scottish im also largely native american though and dont look white.
There Is something of poetic about religion managing to "conquer" (or rather to pacify, the Romans took over Scotland but left soon After) an army that an Empire failed to fully defeat
@@nikosaurus4238 They spoke Norrøna and Dane tongue, not Icelandic. Icelandic is changed but it maintained many of the old rules and special letters. it is not the same. But the sami specifically didn't speak that language, they spoke their own language. But ether way, if they wanted to be inspired by the sami they did a bad job, because everything about the shaman is norse. Shes lietrally just the germanic seeress, the norse Volva. Theres nothing non-germanic about her, Álfablót is not some sort of celtic thing, it's a sacrifice pagan women in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark did in their homes, it related to fertility adn ancestor-worship. It is called the "Elf Sacrifice" because elves in Norse mythology are sometimes considered gods and the spirits of ancestors. It has nothing to do with celts, elves themselves are a germanic thing. The guy who made this video really just wanted to steal all that to make it about some old misunderstanding where the anglo-saxons thought the celts worshipepd elves. In short, shes not Sami, celtic, or native american in any way, shes 100% germanic...
The Picts? Shes obviously based on the germanic seeress, the volva. Other than the voices in their heads their lore reads the same as the real life volvas whom were also living on the brim of society. The faction is called Vikings so of course they're based on the viking "shamans" whom were all female in contrast to their priestly class, kind of like druids, whom were all male. And viking culture didn't come from celtic picts, the north germanic people whom became the vikings were the original germanic tribes, which is older than celtic culture which became the picts as a whole because of how early the forest steppe peoples moved into scandinavia and mixed, in contrast to the long-run migrations into central europe which created the celtic culture, which would then take ages to reach Scotland and create the picts. The vikings come from a norse gothic culture, which is also where the seeresses of the germanic tribes came from, in the viking age they were called the volva. Thats clearly what the shaman was based on. It would be really strange to use a vague idea of a celtic culture in order to create a character for a viking faction. It works with the Highlander since the Gallowglass warrior class (big scottish men with two handed swords who were mercenaries in Ireland) came from norse families, AKA viking settlers in Scotland who went and became two handed swordsmen in Ireland. The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the nrose sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing. Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors. The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of this since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót. This feels like you really just wanted to make a norse thing about the scots.
You make some interesting points, but I stand by my position. This has nothing to do with trying to make a norse thing out of the scots, because that was never my intention. The Volva are probably a good pick for Shamans origins, but they were not warriors, they were more well respected in history than shaman is in For Honor, and were more of seers than combatants. Basically mystics instead of warriors. In fact, Shaman in For Honor barely acts like a mystic. Nothing about her lore indicates she is a spiritual guide or guru. They just call her Shaman. The shaman in For Honor paint and tattoo their bodies and faces, like Picts. They fight wildly and without mercy, like Picts were reportedly known for, and they were seemingly more savage than other northern tribes and people, as the Romans described them, and that's similar to how Shaman stands out from the other Vikings. I never once said that the Celtic Picts were the originators of the Vikings, I was saying that in the context of FOR HONOR the Shamans could have belonged to an older forgotten culture that the Vikings spawned from. I was not referring to real life world history. I see a lot of going points in your comment, and I think that you might even have a good case there about the Volva, but I'm sticking with my stance. You're free to respectfully disagree, but I think that Shaman just fits better as a Pict in terms of her character in For Honor than a Volva.
@@RavenKnightYT I completely agree on the fact that the volva were not warriors, but that is in reality the case for most women in history. The existance of shieldmaidens and amazons have been extremely overstated by pop culture when they are in reality not represented in the graves we find. They sure are represented in the sagas, but so far theres only 2 graves that might suggest warrior women and they are not without flaws. Since one is just a female skull with battle damage on it, and the other is a woman buried like a man but with no battle damage and seems to have actually been a wealthy huntress as suggested by her lopsided shoulders, something which is common in skeletons from horse archers. So while the volva were not warriors in any way, neither were most women, so if the game developers can take the liberty with female raiders, berserkers, and so on, then surely they would with the volva aswell. And regarding why she is just called the shaman I honestly think it comes down to how awkward the word "volva" is in english. I think all the early for honor character names "other than the samurai" were chosen for their simplicity rather than history. I would have loved it if the Raider was actually named Huskarl and the Warlord was named Jarl, stuff like that. Regarding the way the picts fought, they were surely also all men in their warrior ranks, but I don't really think the Romans saw them as more fierce than the likes of the goths and vandals. They surely saw them as more fierce than the other celts since the Romans conquered those celts, but they never got far into germania, and they never even saw Scandza, the land where the goths and vandals came from whom would spell the end of the Western Roman Empire. The same place the germanic seeresses came from. While the picts were fierce in defending their homeland, the germanics were firce in their invasions of Rome, most of whom were also bare chested, and some like the Harii were known to be painted aswell. But I don't actually think that he tattoos in For Honor are supposed to be based on anything but the vikings TV show. Iben Fadlan writes about seeing tattooed vikings but we have no other reasons to believe that the vikings were tattooed, but it has become such a big pop culture thing to have tattooed vikings stemming from the vikings show, so that is basically why the for honor devs put it in the game. It's the same source for their leather armor which is also nonsense. Thats also where those haircuts every viking in for honor has, those weird mohawk pony tail things. Ragnar Lothbrok was cool in the show, but that hairstyle drives me nuts. Most of the vikings, men and women, should have long light brown or blond hair, not black mohawks and eye shadow, but thats the unfortunate turn of pop culture. And ah, regarding the picts being the origins of the vikings I must have just mixed up if you were making a suggestion for the game lore or making a statement about history. My bad. One of the main reasons why I disagree with the idea of the picts or anyone but the vikings or viking ancestors being represented in the viking faction is because I simply want another faction for that. I think the vikings are very poorly represented in the game so I'd want more vikings who follow history more accurately to be added to the faction rather than having other cultures fill up those viking slots. The Kyoshin was a good example of how they stepped closer to history in many ways for the samurai, and I really want that for the vikings aswell. But if vikings could be celts and slavs then that dream would be gone. I hope they add a new faction called "The scattered Tribes" or something like that where they can not only add celts and slavs, but they can even add huns and mongolians aswell.
@@vergil8833 I mean, I feel like the Mongols would be better paired with the Wu Lin. They did form their own dynasty in China after all and they had a lot of history in their relationship with China, especially their predecessors the “Xiongnu”. Besides, Normadic horsemen were in a way the Chinese equivalent to the Celts, Germanic, and yes, Huns in Europe.
Like to add that Picts are not Scottish but we're Brythonic , since a person who understands Welsh could easily understand Pictish . Also that the closest other Brythonic language to Welsh , Cumbric was from a area right next to Pictish lands
You only pronounce Celt or Celtic with a soft c when you're referring to an ethnically confused English football club, everywhere else is with a hard c.
“European culture is no culture at all” i raised my eyebrow so high i got a migrane. True there is no “ancient European culture” per sé; but Europe is the cradle of all western culture(s). Nice vid
What do you mean theres no ancient european culture? All cultures in Europe are related because they're all indo-european. Thats a literal primordial european culture.
@@vergil8833 You could analyze ancient Greek culture and ancient Slavic culture and ancient Saxon culture and ancient Danish culture and find zero correlation to little. Unified European culture is as recent as they get, and the only common factor among most European countries pre-dating Christianity is getting conquered by the Roman Republic. There is no pre-chrsitian European culture but I welcome you to prove me wrong.
@@davidebarbaro6218 All European culture literally comes from the same root, the Indo-european root, thats why every single religion in pre-christian Europe is related to eachother, they're all parallels and the even the Ancient Romans knew this. What a silly thing to claim. Every single pagan culture Europe has ever had since the Neolithic has been related to eachother. We see this all thoughout the Battle-Axe cultre and Bell Beaker culture until the late germanic, celtic, slavic and so on, including the Romans and Greeks, they're all related. Their traditions vary and have different names and sometimes different meanings, but they all mimic eachother in purpose and origin. I don't understand how you could ever claim something to wildly stupid. Did you think Europe appeared out of thin air 1000 years ago? Did they all march out of Jerusalem? I'm sincerely mind blown by how foggy your view of history must be in order to believe something so anti-intelligent.
@@vergil8833 you are misunderstanding my point: true while there is a root correlation at the basis, it is the evolution of the various cultures that divides them. Never have I said that "everybody came marching out of Jerusalem" only that, with the coming of Christianity, the divisions among the various traditions of Europe got mended and the countries, while mostly politically divided, eventually found common grounds for worship and tradition. Moreso, would you have been to suggest to a Dane that his All-father and Juppiter and Zeus were actually stemming from the same root, you'da got slapped. This is what I mean. Don't take it personal dude.
@@davidebarbaro6218 Well no, because they did knew that these gods were the same, largely at least. They obviously didn't know the history of how it came to be, but they believed that the gods they all worshipepd were the same, but with different languages came different names for them. Thor is Donar and Taranis and Perun and Hercules and so on. They understood this. And they were no less warring after christianity. France is the most militarily active country in the world and most of that is from christian times. Theres no greater cohesion born from christianization, and even if there were, what does that have to do with the existance of culture? Are you saying that Europe only had a connected culture when they all said Jesus instead of Odin, Woden, Wotanaz, Jupiter, and so on as if that is what a shared culture means? You're backpedaling now because what you're describing now does not justiy initially saying "Europe had no culture before christianity". Explain how it is supposed to make sense. Are you judging culture based on the names people gave to their dieties and places of worship? Or their traditions and ways of life? Because the latter did not come from christianity, they're not seen in semitic cultures at all, most of the currently christian traditions like christmas, easter, and so on came from the original pagan cultures in Europe. One of the ways they did christianize was by renaming existing traditions while building churches on top of already existing holy grounds like bural mounds and old oak trees. None of these traditions came from christianity. The only thing that became more united is the names of the traditions. But that did not cause some sort of unified peace either. Just like before christianity political wars continued. Ancient Europeans did not fight eachother because they saw eachother as different. It was usually just for their own benefit.
My opinion is the Picts theory is over thinking it a bit. Personally I can't see her as anything other than a native American Mohawk warrior. Albeit with an outcast/feral theme turned to 11.
You're both so horribly wrong. Shes a viking, why are you guys talking about celtic people and native american people... She is based on a real female social class from germanic culture, the seeress, the viking called them the Volva. They lived isolated and pretty much match everything from the shamans lore in For Honor, but with the extra non-historical spice every for honor character has. But it is very clear that the Shaman is the Volva, not anything else. The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the norse sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing. Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors. The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping these elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of these magical creatures since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót. Stop your non-historical attempts and stealing culture.
@@vergil8833 Chill out dude. The both of us are being very fair and respectful in our discourse...you're the one getting needlessly hostile and acting overly smug here.
@@RavenKnightYT I was not trying to be hostile but I wrote alot of these out in quick succession because I saw so many suggestions but none from the culture of the faction shes supposed to fit into, so it got a bit frustrating by the end of it. I do try to get as much information as possible accross in as short of a comment I can manage so I might come accross as naggy but know that it is not my intention.
@@vergil8833 actually I do believe that one of the For Honor Devs did Confirm that the shaman was Inspired by the Picts, Maybe not based Purely on Picts but at the vary least Inspired by them You also have to remember that the Highlander isnt based on any Viking and is littrally just a Scottish Warrior who is allied with the Viking. So just because the picts weren't Vikings doesnt mean that Viking Heros cant be Inspired by Non Viking warriors
Shaman is a term used for pagan priests also and it makes sense that they had the rol of Shaman in there society based on there weapons sins the knife she uses is a type of sacrifisal knife used to sacrifise smaller animals, and early axes in pagan society were regarded as proof of wealth and power and there for were often choosen for cermonal use there for the choose for her to use a hatchet. Pagan culture has always bin focesed on natuur sow shamans had to have a speciale connection to it giving it more merret that the weren't picts but pict shaman's specifikly. Also natural forms of drugs were used by pagan shamans to connect to nature that might explain why shamans act like there on badsalts. I don't know for sure if the sacrifisal knife shaman uses was also used by picts, but similair looking knifes were used by noorse pagan's for sacrifisal use. Those were also forward curved, but shaped more like a tallon then the shape of kukri. Maby this info might help you out a little?
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In game lore states the vikings left valkenheim a long time ago then came back but they forgot their culture. Which led to the knights not believing these were the same vikings that gave them ashfeld. Shaman could be a remnant of that lost culture?
Makes sense
I like to imagine the Vikings simply had inhabited England and through there recruited Celtic mercenaries such as the Highlander and shaman, I also kinda think that the Vikings made it all the way to North America which explains why Vikings have potatoes in story mode.
@@googlesearchhistory5249 I actually like this idea, considering we are past early medieval age at the time of For Honor and the vikings have their longships it is very possible they traveled a lot, plus we have other continents and nations outside of Heathmoor, we know this thanks to Gibbon, although I still don’t buy the whole Shaman is based on a Pict, unless it is like way down the line combined with Viking settlers or with a lot of artistic liberty, but hey unless confirmed everything is possible
Would that same logic work with the centurion?
@@zur2016 As a mohawk i cak confirm i also noticed this. Even her tattoos have similarity to our traditional designs. Oh how i wish she wasnt genderlocked 😢
You are correct, one of the early For Honor developers did a livestream after the Shaman first came out. She confirmed that the Shaman is based on the Picts.
HA! I did not know that! Thank you!
@@zur2016 Not according to the Warriors Den Livestream I watched.
Though I grant you there are similarities.
@@zur2016. "Um, sir? This is a Wendy's..."
@@zur2016 ok but Shaman was literally confirmed to be based off Celtic Picts
@@zur2016 yes, the truth that Shaman is a pict
Sure you can believe she's based off of Native Americans but as RavenKnight said, that couldn't be possible because nothing really hints that she's a native american that the Vikings brought back to Valkenheim, which only means that she's a Pict, hell you could argue she's a Mayan because of the execution where she rips off their heart
The poetry in video is incredible. It allows for easier digestion of information. If only every other educators had this kind of talent.
I believe he was an English teacher but it didn't work out. Nevertheless he is talented with words
When the for honor version of a hero wears more then the real version.
Yeah, but it's kind of expected. I mean, if they were up for realism, the Berserker wouldn't be wearing anything.
@@mkdemigodzillawarrior Well, berserker would be wearing a bear skin, hence the name
@@davidkam4398 Oh yeah.
I could be wrong but I think I read somewhere that someone who was mental ill was viewed as a gift from the gods and the picts were very fierce warriors to the point that Julius Cesar was afraid of them
I love Heroes in History, and this one is definitely one of my favorites, I never thought in the Picts as a possible origin for the Hsaman but with all this explanation and contrast now it’s impossible for me to see another option.
Take care.😁
Shes obviously based on the germanic seeress, the volva. Other than the voices in their heads their lore reads the same as the real life volvas whom were also living on the brim of society. The faction is called Vikings so of course they're based on the viking "shamans" whom were all female in contrast to their priestly class, kind of like druids, whom were all male.
The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the norse sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing. Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors.
The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of these magical creatures since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót.
This has nothing to do with celts and especially not picts...
The Devs themselves based her off the picts, she is celtic not Nordic. You can see them confirm it in their livestream release of year 1 season 4
@@giggityskull8986 You can't claim that something is based on something when it has literally nothing in common with the thing it is supposed to be based on.
Theres nothing celtic about her, but alot of things about her is named after literal norse traditions.
I don't care what a bunch of people who thinks samurai wore wooden armor says, theres nothing pictish or celtic about her, therefore she is not pictish or celtic.
They can say that the sun does not exist but that doesn't change reality.
@@vergil8833 there is literally many things about her that scream celtic bro. And pictish. Remember that in the lore of for honor the Vikings came across the Highlanders, and they do a lot of cross culture things, you can see it in their weapons and armor. Shaman is one of those celts. The problem is the Picts barely left anything behind of their culture for us to find. The developers themselves confirmed this. She is pict, not Norse, not Viking. She is celtic
@@giggityskull8986 Nope, theres zero celtic things about her, you might aswell call her an african zulu warrior. Shes just a fantasy version of the Volva.
The Highlander is different because the Highlanders come from the same origin as the Gallowglass whom were vikings who settled in Scotland.
I know you don't know much about ancient history, particularily archeologically which is fine because the developers don't know either, but theres absolutely zero celtic things about her, especially little pictish.
When most of her things are named after the norse while performing literal norse sacrifices in her executions it is borderline insane to claim that shes anything other than norse. Shes a fantasy volva, that is all.
No, the weapons are not pictish, the axe is distinctly norse shaped, pictish axes had a rounded blade with a thick point of connection to the wood, more like a modern hatchet. Neither of them had Kukris but the norse had the very similar Seax, the picts did not have knives like that, they used spears and roman-like swords and hatchet-like axes.
They were painted, just like germanic tribes were, nome of these people had tattoos but the vikings in the game all have tattoos because the vikings TV show made it seem like something all vikings had.
None of this indicates picts, shes no closer to a pict than she is to a zulu warrior. 100% norse.
I don't normally feel the need to drop comments but your deep lore dive of shaman really makes me appreciate the character. I like the wild animal instinct of her, thank you for your videos, and keep it up my guy
That final statement... chills man chills
Shaman always remenided me and still reminds me of old pagan Slavic villagers.
Why does everyone here strive to explain her as all the things shes not? Shes literally the germanic seeress.. the viking volva... It's an all female religious germanic social class... Shes not celtic, slavic, native american, or sami. Everything about her is germanic... The faction is literally called the vikings yet you guys struggle to place her in the correct culture AKA the germanic...
@@vergil8833 Dude chill out I said what she reminds me of due to the facts about pagan slavs I know about. Read about it first then come with your facts and make an argument not like this with you attacking my opinion and the opinions of others.
Old pagan slavs? I have a slavic neighbour and I swear she has to be method acting for the past 10 years or so to really pull off a cosplay because that woman is crazy!
@@vergil8833 Yo, chill with “Germanic”. Germans aren’t special, they are just like every other European. Scandinavians and Germans are very different, stop calling them what they aren’t.
@@vergil8833 And you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about, the devs confirmed that she was Pictish in a stream. She isn’t “Germanic”.
4:24 them voice cracks be hittin
Absolutely loved the closing lines of this video. Heritage is to be preserved & cherished for teaching, not altered or thrown away for convenience.
For a character I hate so much, this is one the best heroes in history videos you've made! Great job!
Love the fact that you used hypersouls content to add to the shaman gameplay. Wish I could like this vid twice.
I’m thrilled you noticed!
Hey Raivin love the vid you've resparked my interest in history again also I wanna thank you. I'm Scottish but moved away so growing up I didn't learn much about my history but you and some other UA-camrs have shown me how cool history really is especially if my own people. Also Shamen being a pic or however you spell it is pretty unique I wouldn't have thought of it
That end was BRUTAL
I was happily listening whilst playing Destiny 2 then I get my ear drums violated by everything after the 10 min mark.
He's finally done it. HE'S GOIN OVER THE CRAZY LADY!
Wish you made these more often but thanks for this one
It takes time to research.
Quality over quantity man
"European culture is not culture at all" is one of the craziest things I've heard
This kinda makes me sad if the Pict inspiration is accurate because we would probably never get a badass painted man with those badass celtic shields or swords
“She is a predator, and we are prey”
Well good luck biting through chainmail or puncturing plate armor
*hard cut to her easily biting through them*
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of Bölvuð sé ætt þín!
Well they did win against the romans irl without any armor so i dont think they were doing much biting, if youre talking about in game shamans teeth must be made of diamond cuz that shit slips through a steel neck like butter
She doesn't seem to have much trouble doing exactly that.
>~> As even in the game she uses a Dagger and Hand axe not just teeth.
I always assumed that Shaman was more based on Wales pre-Rome, as basically all Celts that time could be described as Picts especially by Romans who wouldn't really care for the intricacies, I mainly say that I think she's Pre-Rome Welsh is because a lot of her Weapon names have Welsh names, for instance, the set I use is called Ddraig Aur, which means "Gold Dragon," then again, Lawbringer also has a weapon set with a Welsh name Ceffyl Dwr which means "Water Horse"
I have schizophrenic and hear voices, and mine aren’t violent unless I got really mad the one or two get violent and yes I’m on meds for them Raven Knight keep up the amazing work
The Tom screams killed me 🤣
The voice cracks never get old 😂 4:25
When Shaman first came out in FH, i hated her. I didn't like her design, players complained about her beign "OP" and unbalanced (in part she was) and it looked to me like a disgusting tomboy (how naive i was, if pirate had been introduced at that time...).
But here i am, a Shaman main, and i love her.
How did this happen?
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Hallfrid helm should been default
Another etymology could be from Gaelic (and another language as well, maybe Welsh?) “peith” witch would mean “fighter/feral” 3:05
The Picts if we were to assign a culture group to them would most likely be Brythonic since the two closest languages to the Pictish language is Welsh and Cumbric themselves being the two closest related Brythonic languages
Great vid from a great person
Can't wait for more :)
Love the content as usual, good job.
Great video by a great content creator!😁😁😁😁😀😀😀😀🔥🔥
Omg, the mad rabbit returns! Run!!!!!!
Great video raven💕
Underrated channel!
Ik this is off topic but I made a predator the alien cosplay with shaman and I'm proud
Man I love history
This video does not have accurate information at all. I'll give you an actual dose of history since this guy just wanted to steal a germanic social class and make it about the picts.
Shes obviously based on the germanic seeress, the volva. Other than the voices in their heads their lore reads the same as the real life volvas whom were also living on the brim of society. The faction is called Vikings so of course they're based on the viking "shamans" whom were all female in contrast to their priestly class, kind of like druids, whom were all male.
And viking culture didn't come from celtic or the picts, the north germanic people whom became the vikings were the original germanic tribes, which is older than celtic culture whom became the picts because of how early the forest steppe peoples moved into scandinavia and mixed, creating the first indo-european cultres AKA the germanic culture, in contrast to the long-run migrations into central europe which created the celtic culture, which would then take ages to reach Scotland and create the picts.
The vikings come from a norse gothic culture, which is also where the seeresses of the germanic tribes came from, in the viking age they were called the volva. Thats clearly what the shaman was based on. It would be really strange to use a vague idea of a celtic culture in order to create a character for a viking faction. It works with the Highlander since the Gallowglass warrior class from Scotland (big scottish men with two handed swords who were mercenaries in Ireland) came from norse families, AKA viking settlers in Scotland who went and became two handed swordsmen in Ireland.
The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the norse sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing.
Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors.
The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping these elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of these magical creatures since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót.
@@vergil8833 except for the fact that the devs based her off of Picts when designing her…. They said this in a stream. Also, hardly any of the characters are solidly based on real history, let alone their movesets
@@ethanclem3383 Theres no such as basing a female warrior in leather off of picts. There has never been any such picts. So they're talking out of their asses.
None of the names involved with the character are celtic let alone pictish, they're all norse.
It is like taking a cowboy character and saying you based him off of a mongol warrior. They can say it as much as they want but it is not true because the base they're speaking of does not exist.
@@vergil8833 you can’t say with certainty that there have never been any such picts seeing as how we know very little about them. Also to say that there is zero Pictish aspects wouldn’t be true
@@ethanclem3383 Are you saying that they were inspired by a non-existant concept of non-substansiated female pictish warriors while giving their executions and armors and weapons norse names?
And no, there really is zero pictish aspects of the for honor shaman, a true honest full blown zero.
what is the absolute banger going on in the background?
Awesome video man
Nibbles You Never Told Me You Fought The Roman Empire And WON!
I love these lore videos.
Voice crack at 4:24
I hope we get a pictish axe and shield hero.
Imagine squared and oval shields xD
I freakin knew it! I mean I suspected that's what shaman was based on before but now I know it, pictish blood in my veins and I like shaman more than highlander in game. Permanent main
Or shaman can be based on Sámi shamans, who are actually Scandinavians that practice shamanism, and wears something closer to her gear
Great video 10/10
Huh...that's interesting. I'm guessing this is where Braveheart got their whole esthetic from? Also, kind of wonder if we'll get a hero with actual Celtic origins for the Vikings eventually. I can definitely see that as a viable option...though granted, figuring out how to differentiate them from the other Viking heroes is the tricky part seeing as all the Celtic weapons, as far as I'm aware, are already taken by the other Vikings.
A cloaked and painted celt with an oval shield paired with a celtic style sword sounds awesome to me personally.
This is the most ahistorical comment section I've seen. Celtic origin for the vikings? Thats like saying they should make the Japanese the origin of the Chinese...
Vikings are germanic, theres nothing celtic about any of this.
Shes obviously based on the germanic seeress, the volva. Other than the voices in their heads their lore reads the same as the real life volvas whom were also living on the brim of society. The faction is called Vikings so of course they're based on the viking "shamans" whom were all female in contrast to their priestly class, kind of like druids, whom were all male.
And viking culture didn't come from celtic or the picts, the north germanic people whom became the vikings were the original germanic tribes, which is older than celtic culture which became the picts as a whole because of how early the forest steppe peoples moved into scandinavia and mixed, in contrast to the long-run migrations into central europe which created the celtic culture, which would then take ages to reach Scotland and create the picts.
The vikings come from a norse gothic culture, which is also where the seeresses of the germanic tribes came from, in the viking age they were called the volva. Thats clearly what the shaman was based on. It would be really strange to use a vague idea of a celtic culture in order to create a character for a viking faction. It works with the Highlander since the Gallowglass warrior class (big scottish men with two handed swords who were mercenaries in Ireland) came from norse families, AKA viking settlers in Scotland who went and became two handed swordsmen in Ireland.
The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the norse sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing.
Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors.
The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of these magical creatures since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót.
You can't just take something from one culture and go "hmm, this fits into mine, yoink."
@@vergil8833Dude you're getting too caught up on historical accuracy. Step back and realize we're discussing for honor. The foundations for a lot of characters can have a basis in history but its largely free reign with creative license. Oversized weapons, leather armor, tattoos, dual wielding, etc.
Clearly Ubisoft sees the viking faction as the barbarian faction. Thats why we get an abundance of leather, painted, and shoeless armor. Jorm is a perfect example of this. I still want historically influenced viking characters but I'd much rather expand into surrounding cultures than get another shoeless entirely ahistorical character. An axe and shield viking is about the only viking I can imagine adding at this point without rehashing in some way.
Besides, the introduction of the chinese faction was dumb to me since we already had roman knights and scottish vikings. Ubisoft already made it clear they could "reach" outside faction lines for similar characters. So I don't really understand your "cultural yoink" comment because cultural mixing within the factions is already a thing.
@@krakenmckraken9128 The cultural yoink has nothing to do with the game, it has everything to do with trying to explain the shaman as a pictish thing when she is very clearly based on something very germanic.
I would much rather they expand to another faction rather than fill the viking faction up with celts and slavs since they haven't actually gone into historical vikings at all.
I think the weapon limitation is silly since they have already shown that they're willing to have multiple of each weapon, theres like 3 katanas now plus a straight chinese version of the katana, so to add another dane axe for a Huskarl hero for example should be perfectly fine.
Another great viking character concept would be something based on the heros of the sagas whom usually just carry a single one handed sword, like the wielders of Tyrfing, Beowulf, Sigurd the dragonslayer and so on. So a viking character who wears cloth and only carries one sword while using his free hand to perform viking martial arts (glima) is what the viking faction actually needs. Not a bunch of dirty people in leather.
And the Highlander isn't all that outside of the culture since what leads to the highlander type of warrior in Scotland comes from the norse settlers. It started with the norse people who settled in Scotland and became mercenaries in ireland, they were called the Gallowglass and they did wield famous two handed swords.
So the highlander in the game isn't too far off since he can be considered a decendant of viking culture.
They should add a new factionc alled "the forest people" or something then they can put in a bunch of stragglers, caltic warriors, slavic warriors, maybe even a stray viking in form of the Varangians whos like a hybrid between the knights and vikings the same faction as a completely nude pict.
@@vergil8833 I'm not disagreeing with a lot of what you said. Especially the one handed sword with glima. But I really doubt ubisoft is going to do any of that. I'd just rather see celtic inspired heroes over shoeless crackheads in the future.
Are we gonna get a warlord hero's in history being my favorite i really see it
beasts also run away from when his life at danger
awesome! thanks man.
Why do people pronounce Celtic as sell-tic?… as an Irishman it’s always confused me because I nor my friends nor my family say it like that, we pronounce it kelt-ick
In America, we're not always sure which is the correct way.
What's the background song name in the first half of the video?
Ie been wondering cause all his vikings vids have that song and he wont spill the deets
@@laserlights9684 I found it
ua-cam.com/video/199PRNiERmI/v-deo.html
It's "My Mother Told Me."
Picts were a Brythonic culture , there language is very close to two of the closest Brythonic language Welsh and Cumbric . The Brythonic inhabitants of what is now Cumbria or the Old north in Welsh would of often interacted with the Picts . Also Brythonic tribes would often have there own individual gods that only they worshipped. There were gods of individual rivers so most likely the goddess of the Picts was a tribal goddess
" maybe im the one..maybe im the one..who is the schizophrenic psycho "
I want a Boudica hero skin so bad 🙏
So basically Viking ver. Of hitokiri
Hey Raven, what music did you use?
The Hulda Season Theme from For Honor, and “My Mother Told Me.”
I love the fact when the realese shaman from the trailers they dont say anything abt her past makes her feel like she is very different and is from some mysterious place. And i was leading more to the skraeling theory becuz her ornamnet ane how she looks like skin colour look to me like native american
You guys are out here looking at dust to try and steal culture lmao. No, the shaman is the germanic seeress, the vikings called them volva. They lived on the brink of society and all. You guys really take the fact that she rips someones heart out as a sign that shes native american as if the vikings don't describe just as much brutality. Ever heard of the blood eagle?
It's not native american, it's not celtic, it's as germanic as it gets.
Oh well we are still not sur i guess
I went searching for her inspirati9n the devs says she is based on picts
Hmm I can see tht
Well I see tht now freind thnk u I now see the shaman as native American
Well, I could easily see some similarity with Senua
After shamans series
Shugoki next
Raven upload 2 electric Boogaloo
In the lore highlander are allies of the Viking faction I wondered if shaman was a Allie to the Viking faction just like the highlander or even if the shamans and highlanders were in together the same group
What’s the background music for the first few minutes?
“My Mother Told Me.” It’s on UA-cam
"European culture is not real culture"? really?!? Wow. That statement tells me sooo much about the prejudices this person is carrying with them. Just wow.
Yes, I was quite aghast at the quote myself
@@RavenKnightYT Understandably. Btw. just found you over your Infographics crusade vid and subscribed. ^.^
I´m an ancient hisotrian myselfe, so if you should happen to have some ancient topic, I will gladly give support to a fellow scholar should it be needed.
Till your next vid! ;)
They only say that, because the reality is Europe and Asia have the most interesting history and cultures lol.
Can you make a video on which factions in For Honor will actually win?
He already did three videos on that actually.
Long Story Extremely Short, Vikings and Samurai put up a good fight, but Knight win.
@@mkdemigodzillawarrior can u link those videos?
@@somehistorynerd ur forgetting the Wu Lin. Although yes the Knights will win against the Vikings and Samurais but the Wu Lin is no pushover. I say the Wu Lin might even be a challenge for the Knights
@Dairy Dragone, absolutely, in fact, the Wu Lin probably have the best chance against the Knights, they could give each other a run for their money.
If I’m not mistaken the realistic rankings would be:
1. Knights (Tin Cans)
2. Wu Lin (The Ballerinas)
3. Samurai (The Weebs)
4. Vikings (The Neckbeards)
Anyone know the song playing in the background in the beginning?
My Mother Told Me. There are good versions of the song on youtube.
Because I doubt it'll be the last time you talk about us, it's pronounced Kelt, not Selt.
Here it is boyzzzz
Good video! Man I really hate fighting against this character easily one of my least favorite characters in the game 😂
Nibbles!
Sacrifice to the elves was a germanic thing too elves were thought to be ancestors
Now I want a caveman or Neanderthal heroin for honor
Lets all admit it we all simp for Shaman....No?....Just me?....ok.
The pikt
Rome had basically conquered Scotland, in the battle of Mons Graupius, which, while we don’t know exactly where it took place is theorised to have been in the north-west of Scotland. The Romans won the battle obviously, whenever the Picts tried to fight the Romans conventionally, they like all the other British Celts, were often smashed. The reason the Roman’s left was because in their surveys of Scotland, they personally found nothing worth taking, if they did they would’ve stayed, also the Picts were an absolute pain in the ass.
Also, thinking about Barbarian tribes the Romans fought, it’d be really cool to see a Thracian or Dacian hero, the Thracians, which included Dacians were a highly militarised people who were renowned as warriors by the Greeks and Romans. Herodotus said the Thracians were the most powerful people in the world, but it was only by their disunity that they didn’t consume Greece.
The Thracians had this infamous weapon called the Falx, a two or one handed sickle sword like weapon, that was feared by the Romans, because it could pierce or heavily damage the armour the Romans wore, and due to it’s forward curve could curve around their shields to nick the Romans in the arm. The Dacian Wars were one of the few frontiers, wherein Romans wore specialised armour like reinforced helmets and Manica, such was how seriously they took the Dacian threat.
That would be cool to see actually. Would definitely help considering the Vikings don't exactly have much other influences to work on...as far as I'm aware of course.
I have a question does anyone actually like the assassin's block
Reflex guard is shit. I think it was supposed to encourage dodging with assassins but it just isn't that good
@@bishopcoleman5317 yeah it sort of ruins the assassins for me because I always forget about it and just die everytime I get ganked
Not really it's an outdated mechanic that needs to be fixed
It was cool when undodgables were extremely rare and attacks with high tracking were predictable, now its just an useless mechanic
Nessie!
How u miss that
First, nice video
shaman in for honor in other words: ORKS =P
The shaman isn’t based on shamans?
She’s clearly very Völva inspired too
Man I freaking love my European genetic history! .....no im not a racist im mixed I love all my genetic history but damn that's so cool. Im a lot Scottish im also largely native american though and dont look white.
If I have to describe shaman I would say Indian Viking Gurkha
There Is something of poetic about religion managing to "conquer" (or rather to pacify, the Romans took over Scotland but left soon After) an army that an Empire failed to fully defeat
Maybe when creating the shaman character ubisoft took some inspiration from the indiginous samì people that live in Norway,Sweden and Finland?
Maybe? I mean, she is speaking Icelandic after all.
@@mkdemigodzillawarrior all of the scandinavian countries spoke icelandic. Icelandic is just old norse unchanged.
@@nikosaurus4238 They spoke Norrøna and Dane tongue, not Icelandic. Icelandic is changed but it maintained many of the old rules and special letters. it is not the same. But the sami specifically didn't speak that language, they spoke their own language.
But ether way, if they wanted to be inspired by the sami they did a bad job, because everything about the shaman is norse. Shes lietrally just the germanic seeress, the norse Volva. Theres nothing non-germanic about her, Álfablót is not some sort of celtic thing, it's a sacrifice pagan women in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark did in their homes, it related to fertility adn ancestor-worship. It is called the "Elf Sacrifice" because elves in Norse mythology are sometimes considered gods and the spirits of ancestors. It has nothing to do with celts, elves themselves are a germanic thing. The guy who made this video really just wanted to steal all that to make it about some old misunderstanding where the anglo-saxons thought the celts worshipepd elves.
In short, shes not Sami, celtic, or native american in any way, shes 100% germanic...
@@vergil8833 my bad, thanks for correcting!
@@nikosaurus4238 Oh.
The Picts? Shes obviously based on the germanic seeress, the volva. Other than the voices in their heads their lore reads the same as the real life volvas whom were also living on the brim of society. The faction is called Vikings so of course they're based on the viking "shamans" whom were all female in contrast to their priestly class, kind of like druids, whom were all male.
And viking culture didn't come from celtic picts, the north germanic people whom became the vikings were the original germanic tribes, which is older than celtic culture which became the picts as a whole because of how early the forest steppe peoples moved into scandinavia and mixed, in contrast to the long-run migrations into central europe which created the celtic culture, which would then take ages to reach Scotland and create the picts.
The vikings come from a norse gothic culture, which is also where the seeresses of the germanic tribes came from, in the viking age they were called the volva. Thats clearly what the shaman was based on. It would be really strange to use a vague idea of a celtic culture in order to create a character for a viking faction. It works with the Highlander since the Gallowglass warrior class (big scottish men with two handed swords who were mercenaries in Ireland) came from norse families, AKA viking settlers in Scotland who went and became two handed swordsmen in Ireland.
The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the nrose sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing. Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors.
The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of this since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót.
This feels like you really just wanted to make a norse thing about the scots.
You make some interesting points, but I stand by my position. This has nothing to do with trying to make a norse thing out of the scots, because that was never my intention. The Volva are probably a good pick for Shamans origins, but they were not warriors, they were more well respected in history than shaman is in For Honor, and were more of seers than combatants. Basically mystics instead of warriors. In fact, Shaman in For Honor barely acts like a mystic. Nothing about her lore indicates she is a spiritual guide or guru. They just call her Shaman.
The shaman in For Honor paint and tattoo their bodies and faces, like Picts. They fight wildly and without mercy, like Picts were reportedly known for, and they were seemingly more savage than other northern tribes and people, as the Romans described them, and that's similar to how Shaman stands out from the other Vikings.
I never once said that the Celtic Picts were the originators of the Vikings, I was saying that in the context of FOR HONOR the Shamans could have belonged to an older forgotten culture that the Vikings spawned from. I was not referring to real life world history.
I see a lot of going points in your comment, and I think that you might even have a good case there about the Volva, but I'm sticking with my stance. You're free to respectfully disagree, but I think that Shaman just fits better as a Pict in terms of her character in For Honor than a Volva.
@@RavenKnightYT I completely agree on the fact that the volva were not warriors, but that is in reality the case for most women in history. The existance of shieldmaidens and amazons have been extremely overstated by pop culture when they are in reality not represented in the graves we find. They sure are represented in the sagas, but so far theres only 2 graves that might suggest warrior women and they are not without flaws. Since one is just a female skull with battle damage on it, and the other is a woman buried like a man but with no battle damage and seems to have actually been a wealthy huntress as suggested by her lopsided shoulders, something which is common in skeletons from horse archers.
So while the volva were not warriors in any way, neither were most women, so if the game developers can take the liberty with female raiders, berserkers, and so on, then surely they would with the volva aswell.
And regarding why she is just called the shaman I honestly think it comes down to how awkward the word "volva" is in english.
I think all the early for honor character names "other than the samurai" were chosen for their simplicity rather than history. I would have loved it if the Raider was actually named Huskarl and the Warlord was named Jarl, stuff like that.
Regarding the way the picts fought, they were surely also all men in their warrior ranks, but I don't really think the Romans saw them as more fierce than the likes of the goths and vandals. They surely saw them as more fierce than the other celts since the Romans conquered those celts, but they never got far into germania, and they never even saw Scandza, the land where the goths and vandals came from whom would spell the end of the Western Roman Empire. The same place the germanic seeresses came from.
While the picts were fierce in defending their homeland, the germanics were firce in their invasions of Rome, most of whom were also bare chested, and some like the Harii were known to be painted aswell.
But I don't actually think that he tattoos in For Honor are supposed to be based on anything but the vikings TV show. Iben Fadlan writes about seeing tattooed vikings but we have no other reasons to believe that the vikings were tattooed, but it has become such a big pop culture thing to have tattooed vikings stemming from the vikings show, so that is basically why the for honor devs put it in the game. It's the same source for their leather armor which is also nonsense. Thats also where those haircuts every viking in for honor has, those weird mohawk pony tail things. Ragnar Lothbrok was cool in the show, but that hairstyle drives me nuts.
Most of the vikings, men and women, should have long light brown or blond hair, not black mohawks and eye shadow, but thats the unfortunate turn of pop culture.
And ah, regarding the picts being the origins of the vikings I must have just mixed up if you were making a suggestion for the game lore or making a statement about history. My bad.
One of the main reasons why I disagree with the idea of the picts or anyone but the vikings or viking ancestors being represented in the viking faction is because I simply want another faction for that.
I think the vikings are very poorly represented in the game so I'd want more vikings who follow history more accurately to be added to the faction rather than having other cultures fill up those viking slots.
The Kyoshin was a good example of how they stepped closer to history in many ways for the samurai, and I really want that for the vikings aswell. But if vikings could be celts and slavs then that dream would be gone.
I hope they add a new faction called "The scattered Tribes" or something like that where they can not only add celts and slavs, but they can even add huns and mongolians aswell.
@@vergil8833 I mean, I feel like the Mongols would be better paired with the Wu Lin. They did form their own dynasty in China after all and they had a lot of history in their relationship with China, especially their predecessors the “Xiongnu”. Besides, Normadic horsemen were in a way the Chinese equivalent to the Celts, Germanic, and yes, Huns in Europe.
Like to add that Picts are not Scottish but we're Brythonic , since a person who understands Welsh could easily understand Pictish . Also that the closest other Brythonic language to Welsh , Cumbric was from a area right next to Pictish lands
You only pronounce Celt or Celtic with a soft c when you're referring to an ethnically confused English football club, everywhere else is with a hard c.
So... Scottish Vietcong
Well….yeah kinda. Hahaha!
“European culture is no culture at all” i raised my eyebrow so high i got a migrane. True there is no “ancient European culture” per sé; but Europe is the cradle of all western culture(s). Nice vid
What do you mean theres no ancient european culture? All cultures in Europe are related because they're all indo-european. Thats a literal primordial european culture.
@@vergil8833 You could analyze ancient Greek culture and ancient Slavic culture and ancient Saxon culture and ancient Danish culture and find zero correlation to little. Unified European culture is as recent as they get, and the only common factor among most European countries pre-dating Christianity is getting conquered by the Roman Republic. There is no pre-chrsitian European culture but I welcome you to prove me wrong.
@@davidebarbaro6218 All European culture literally comes from the same root, the Indo-european root, thats why every single religion in pre-christian Europe is related to eachother, they're all parallels and the even the Ancient Romans knew this. What a silly thing to claim.
Every single pagan culture Europe has ever had since the Neolithic has been related to eachother. We see this all thoughout the Battle-Axe cultre and Bell Beaker culture until the late germanic, celtic, slavic and so on, including the Romans and Greeks, they're all related. Their traditions vary and have different names and sometimes different meanings, but they all mimic eachother in purpose and origin.
I don't understand how you could ever claim something to wildly stupid. Did you think Europe appeared out of thin air 1000 years ago? Did they all march out of Jerusalem?
I'm sincerely mind blown by how foggy your view of history must be in order to believe something so anti-intelligent.
@@vergil8833 you are misunderstanding my point: true while there is a root correlation at the basis, it is the evolution of the various cultures that divides them.
Never have I said that "everybody came marching out of Jerusalem" only that, with the coming of Christianity, the divisions among the various traditions of Europe got mended and the countries, while mostly politically divided, eventually found common grounds for worship and tradition. Moreso, would you have been to suggest to a Dane that his All-father and Juppiter and Zeus were actually stemming from the same root, you'da got slapped. This is what I mean.
Don't take it personal dude.
@@davidebarbaro6218 Well no, because they did knew that these gods were the same, largely at least. They obviously didn't know the history of how it came to be, but they believed that the gods they all worshipepd were the same, but with different languages came different names for them. Thor is Donar and Taranis and Perun and Hercules and so on. They understood this.
And they were no less warring after christianity. France is the most militarily active country in the world and most of that is from christian times. Theres no greater cohesion born from christianization, and even if there were, what does that have to do with the existance of culture?
Are you saying that Europe only had a connected culture when they all said Jesus instead of Odin, Woden, Wotanaz, Jupiter, and so on as if that is what a shared culture means?
You're backpedaling now because what you're describing now does not justiy initially saying "Europe had no culture before christianity". Explain how it is supposed to make sense.
Are you judging culture based on the names people gave to their dieties and places of worship? Or their traditions and ways of life? Because the latter did not come from christianity, they're not seen in semitic cultures at all, most of the currently christian traditions like christmas, easter, and so on came from the original pagan cultures in Europe. One of the ways they did christianize was by renaming existing traditions while building churches on top of already existing holy grounds like bural mounds and old oak trees.
None of these traditions came from christianity. The only thing that became more united is the names of the traditions. But that did not cause some sort of unified peace either. Just like before christianity political wars continued.
Ancient Europeans did not fight eachother because they saw eachother as different. It was usually just for their own benefit.
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Celtic is pronounced with a hard c like cat
My opinion is the Picts theory is over thinking it a bit.
Personally I can't see her as anything other than a native American Mohawk warrior. Albeit with an outcast/feral theme turned to 11.
Well that is your opinion.
You're both so horribly wrong. Shes a viking, why are you guys talking about celtic people and native american people... She is based on a real female social class from germanic culture, the seeress, the viking called them the Volva. They lived isolated and pretty much match everything from the shamans lore in For Honor, but with the extra non-historical spice every for honor character has.
But it is very clear that the Shaman is the Volva, not anything else.
The Álfablót execution also does not refer to any celtic sacrifice, it is a real thing from the norse sagas, germanic sagas. A blót in itself is a sacrifice to the norse gods, Álfablót is a blót which was specifically performed by women at home, so it is associated with fertility and ancestor-worshipping. Again, a very norse thing, not a celtic and espeically not pictish thing.
Álfablót means Elf blót but theres nothing celtic about it, the word "Elf" is not celtic in origin, and it has nothing to do with celtic people, it's a norse word which refers to the Light Elves of Alfheim, whom are sometimes considered gods themselves, and other times considered the spirits of ancestors.
The connection between elves and celts only comes from Anglo-Saxons who thought celts were worshipping these elves, the celts don't talk about elves, elves are a germanic thing which sometimes refers to all magical creatures of good faith, while dark elves or dwarves refer to often more sinister magical creatures. The celts have their own versions of these magical creatures since they too are indo-european in origin, but it has nothing to do with Álfablót.
Stop your non-historical attempts and stealing culture.
@@vergil8833 Chill out dude. The both of us are being very fair and respectful in our discourse...you're the one getting needlessly hostile and acting overly smug here.
@@RavenKnightYT I was not trying to be hostile but I wrote alot of these out in quick succession because I saw so many suggestions but none from the culture of the faction shes supposed to fit into, so it got a bit frustrating by the end of it.
I do try to get as much information as possible accross in as short of a comment I can manage so I might come accross as naggy but know that it is not my intention.
@@vergil8833 actually I do believe that one of the For Honor Devs did Confirm that the shaman was Inspired by the Picts, Maybe not based Purely on Picts but at the vary least Inspired by them
You also have to remember that the Highlander isnt based on any Viking and is littrally just a Scottish Warrior who is allied with the Viking. So just because the picts weren't Vikings doesnt mean that Viking Heros cant be Inspired by Non Viking warriors
Shaman is a term used for pagan priests also and it makes sense that they had the rol of Shaman in there society based on there weapons sins the knife she uses is a type of sacrifisal knife used to sacrifise smaller animals, and early axes in pagan society were regarded as proof of wealth and power and there for were often choosen for cermonal use there for the choose for her to use a hatchet. Pagan culture has always bin focesed on natuur sow shamans had to have a speciale connection to it giving it more merret that the weren't picts but pict shaman's specifikly. Also natural forms of drugs were used by pagan shamans to connect to nature that might explain why shamans act like there on badsalts. I don't know for sure if the sacrifisal knife shaman uses was also used by picts, but similair looking knifes were used by noorse pagan's for sacrifisal use. Those were also forward curved, but shaped more like a tallon then the shape of kukri. Maby this info might help you out a little?