Thanks to everyone tuning in. ANCIENT DRAGONBORN: I learned they weren't Dragonborn at pretty much the last possible minute (while listing out all the Dragonborn near the end of Act 2) and made the decision to just leave the mistakes in out of laziness, but also the realization that the mistake says more about the characters than anything I could have written. If they had been utilized better, I doubt an error like that would have survived in my script long.
I think we're misunderstanding what becoming a champion of a deity is supposed to be. Obviously the Dragonborn can't go to the afterlife of any of the Daedra, because their soul is, by default, part of Akatosh, and as such, would return to Akatosh no matter what. Way I understand it, one has to actually dedicate themselves to a particular deity, whereas the protags of the games just contact the Daedric Princes for some immediate profit.
@@georgeoldsterd8994 what about the thieves guild quest line? You clearly pledge yourself to nocturnal also sithis if you join the dark brotherhood then there’s Mora at the end of Dragonborn
Killing Astrid was the first thing I tried, and seeing the quest failed text only to be immediately followed by "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood" was the most satisfying thing in the game.
I'd say it's a shame there wasn't more of that kind of stuff, but that quest was rather lackluster, I don't know if they'd have made anything else you could "fail" and start a differing questline for would be any better.
@@Alpine1996 Yup. Totally agree! I hate how they basically force you to be bad guy, or at the very least "The Antihero". And worst part is that it doesnt even matter what you choose in the game, its the cannon lore that states that you end up being connected to daedra. In oblivion you end up taking over Sheogorath's realm, and Dragonborn just becomes Hermeus Mora's new collectable. I hate that!
Got to the bit about the werewolfs-THANK YOU! It was always so irritating to have a nord warrior character having to abandon the nord warrior afterlife to play the nord warrior questline
yeah it's kind of weird how shallow the warrior questline is for the game that is rather warrior oriented. I mean heck the primary antagonists are just reskinned bandits but with silver swords and alchemy ingredients. there *might* have been cut content that would have made the silver hand more interesting. But nothing came of it.
@Victoria Thorson Based. Too many redditoids polluting everything with their repugnant jargon. They're already coping and seething after being found out.
Picture this: The year is 2060. TES6 finally came out in 2043, and now the time has come to look back at it. You and your adult children get together - the whole extended family does, in fact. PatricianTV’s 70 hour analysis is about to release, and the government has decreed that the winter holidays will be extended an extra two weeks (mandatory). You tell the grandkids stories of how you were there at the Oblivion and Skyrim analysis premieres. Maybe you watched the Morrowind videos the moment they first released. It’s gonna be a good 70 hours, you think to yourself.
@@admiraltonydawning3847 Picture this: Todd Howard in his old age has decided, after the contentious relationship with Morrowind fans and their 6 (soon to be 7) fan-ports into other engines (including TES6 and DaggerfallUnity3), to hire PatricianTV as his loremaster and lead supervisor to balance out retaining the old guard-- now several generations deep of Morrowind fans-- with pulling in new audiences with modernized action RPG mechanics and plots. You learn this fact from a cameo by old man Todd in the last 30 seconds of this 70 hours epic.
I never realized the potential of Skyrim VR until I saw the footage of you waking up Mirabelle Ervine, groveling at the statue of Meridia, and slapping the orc who was talking in the middle of Malacath's speech. I've watched your Morrowind and Oblivion retrospectives multiple times start to finish, thanks for another 20 hours of entertainment.
Tbh with certain mods like Spellsiphon, magic feels so good in SkyrimVR and the melee combat works well enough that you can still be a little campy. Absolutely my favorite way to play Skyrim
It's funny, no matter the video if it's praising Skyrim or detailing it's weaknesses it still makes me want to go play it again for the 100th time. It just a comfy old blanket that holds so much nostalgia for me I can't help but still love it.
Same here! I agree with a lot of PatricianTV's points and the game has a lot of flaws, but watching this video... I can't help but want to go play Skyrim anyways.
Honestly the only reason I decided to finally watch this was because I was gonna play skyrim but all the mod packs are down. I agree with all these criticisms 100% aware I'll be crawling back to this mess of a game some day 😂
Guilty as charged, I’m playing it as we speak. I’m working through all the side quests after blasting through the main, for the millionth time. I’m already planning my next play through.
@@henrycrabs3497 They probably can have fun. Just not absent-minded fun for a specific game. I am intensely uninterested and even mildly disgusted by CoD. It currently and historically represents just about everything bad about gaming imo. But I get some of the biggest smiles of my life from games like The Cosmic Wheel of Sisterhood.
I found Riften so funny during my playthrough. I'll be honest, my initial reaction was pretty positive. I thought that having a crooked guard try to swindle you as you enter was a nice touch and a good first impression for the "Thieves Guild City." Then all that goodwill was instantly lost when I actually entered and five separate NPC's approached me to announce how much they *love* crime It's a great example of media undermining itself by lacking all restraint. They couldn't just drop a big hint that this town had crime and corruption, they had to go so over the top with it that it swings back into absurdity
Genuinely so much of Riften's intrigue could have been saved by just having the talk about the thieves guild be prompted by the player talking to someone saying "hey i almost got mugged by the guards" and then the thieves guild gets introduced. After the player starts asking around Brynolf comes up to them and starts asking them if they're interested in actually joining the guild or if they're going to have a problem
The Way We Look at Things. You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. -2 Timothy 3:1 Someone said, “I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. A Christian worldview will affect the way that we see everything. And why is this important? Because we are living in the last days. Jesus Christ is coming back again. And if ever there was a time when we need to know our Bibles and have a close walk with Christ, the time is now. Describing the end times, the apostle Paul said, “In the last days there will be very difficult times. For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control” (2 Timothy 3:1-3) Paul went on to say, “They will be cruel and hate what is good. They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly” (verses 3-5) Is that not an accurate assessment of the times in which we are living? The United States has never been more spiritual yet more immoral. We throw the word spiritual around a lot. But do we know what it means? We live in an age when we can write our own apps and customize our home screens. We can keep the stuff we like and throw out the things we don’t. And we carry that thinking into other aspects of our lives. The result is something called moral relativism. Moral relativism is the belief that there are no absolutes. There is no right or wrong. Moral relativism teaches that we are all products of the evolutionary process and not made by a Creator God. There is no devil. There is no good or evil. And there is no plan or purpose for our lives. Moral relativism also teaches that we are all basically good, and if we happen to go bad, then it’s because we’re simply products of our environment. It teaches that we make our own truth. For instance, if you believe in a God of love, forgiveness, and mercy, you can keep that. But if you’re offended by the biblical teaching of a God of holiness, righteousness, and judgment, you can delete that. It works out perfectly. Or so it seems. Moral relativism may sound fine in theory. But what if we were to put it into practice? Will a god of our own making be able to save us in the final day? Of course not. A biblical worldview says there is a God as revealed in the Bible, and the Bible alone is the authority and source of that belief. It is not what we feel or what is popular, acceptable, or perceived as cool. It is what the Bible says.
I feel my bones trying to escape my skin every time I hear Emil Pagliarulo say “great American novel” which is often because I constantly watch this video
The problem with this game is you hardly ever go to the sky. Not even the rim of it. So the game already lies to you on that alone. At least Morrowind had a lot of wind storms and other wind related things.
Not only was the wind today, but it was also on the morrow. Also with fatigue if you ran and jumped very far and were attacked you would go 'Far, then fell'.
The frightening thought is there will be at least one person who reads the comment above & nods along without irony, rather than dismissing it as the equivalent of someone scratching "For a good time, call" on a bathroom stall.
One thing I found interesting is that if you equip the "marry me" amulet after completing the companions story, Aela will express interest, but if you cure your lycanthropy first, she won't be and also makes no comment about you having cured it, as far as I know. However, if you initiate the marriage quest with her and then go back and cure lycanthropy, she is fine with it (but makes no comment about it, of course).
Well you wouldnt be so glad to know that Aela actually wants to go into Hircine's plane because her true love is supposedly there. She will never trully love you if mary her.
Regarding the conversation about Ulfric as a "Stormcloak asset": my interpretation upon discovering this dossier wasn't that Ulfric was a ally, former or otherwise, of the Thalmor. Rather, his existence is useful to the Thalmor, and while Ulfric's goals are separate from whatever the Aldmeri Dominion might be pursuing, the manner in which he is attempting to achieve those goals is very convenient for Thalmor purposes. Not a direct agent, but still a pawn.
But in the same times it is saying that they don't want a Stormcloak victory, so I think they are really just for a prolonged conflict and nothing else. Basicly Ulfric is usefull if he couldn't win or too strong to lose, if the balance broken the Thalmor is in a bad situation.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 Right, but as long as that balance isn't broken (and before the Last Dragonborn shows up, there's no sign that it will be), Ulfric simply being alive helps the Thalmor out.
I am actually surprised Pat never guessed that out. That's the first thing that comes up in mind when you read "an asset". Because that takes like three seconds of logical conclusions to get to the point you've made. Pat sometimes is so bad it's just not even funny.
@@kommandantwunder6785 I mean Patrician made this point just doesn't made in this form, when he say that the unresolved Civil War is good for the Thalmor he makeing this exact point.
The moment, where Baalgruf straight up refuses to accept declaration of war until you deal with his dragon bullshit is the single most infuriating thing in this game for me
Except the axe is given to the player with Ulfric saying: "If he keeps it, _I'll bide my time._ If he returns it, we go to war" So it's not Baalgruf refusing a declaration of war, it's Baalgruf taking one of the two options Ulfric is giving him. By the tradition Ulfric invoked, the war doesn't start until Baalgruf returns Ulfric's weapon to him, so can you blame Baalgruf for not starting the war while he's under attack by a mythic beast of mass destruction? It's a reasonable reaction given the situation, it's Ulfric's issue that he decided to do the tradition instead of just declaring war.
@@the_last_ballad Oh. Then it makes a lot of sense. If Ulfric did put it like that, then, yes, Baalgruf was 100% right to deal with the immediate danger of freaking dragon just outside of his walls first, before fighting with a man, who is willing to wait for him to be ready. I would even say that this was somewhat clever solution for this kind of situation. However, what would happen if you sided with Tullius, anybody knows? He would not agree to join the Legion, I presume, but because of what? If he is so desperate for protection, wouldn't it be beneficial for him to agree to side with general, then?
The rant about how garbage pure magic builds are in Skyrim was nice to hear. They're not just badly balanced, they're very poorly designed. It was so obvious they didn't expect people to not use a melee weapon of some kind even as a mage.
The only exception is using a cloak spell then using invisibility so you slowwwwwwwly damage everything but they can't see you so they just stand there slowly dying.
@@UsingGorillaLogic It i not about being fast, the problem that you have to chees it, if it was fast it would be bad. As Patricion said, the magic too weak or too strong nothing in between.
The only time i had fun with a pure mage build was when i installed mods that -increased the number of equippable rings - added spells that enabled me to turn full soulstones into empty ones of the next higher tier - changed charging spell animations - had fully functional dragon wings. - added time dilation spells. And changed that wards worked like shields in addition to reducing magic damage.
On that note about spellcrafting, you can absolutely have magical moments that arise from being able to create your own "less mysterious" spells. My example is more to do with enchantments, because I only ever messed around with that, but spellcrafting has enough similarities that it's basically relevant enough: In Oblivion, I wanted to make the best two-handed mace I could possibly muster up, having specced into magic and two-handing respectively. In my head, I wanted the weapon itself to passively improve my capabilities, so as to let me upgrade my armour separately for different purposes. I spent ages tracking down materials (this was before I used the internet a whole bunch, my Xbox copy got a lot of love), and put a Fortify Strength attribute on my weapon. I thought it was a weapon-specific quirk that it said "Apply X for Y seconds", like "hit the enemy to activate your weapon", similar to elemental enchantments. After hours of inefficient, exciting work to make this Strong Glass Warhammer, I eagerly hit the next enemy I could find with it, and my damage output seemed to be lacking. I only realised a few moments later that I had just created a weapon that made the enemies I was bludgeoning to death, incredibly strong, enough to start one-shotting me as regular enemies. I was so peeved, at the time, but I look at that moment with complete fondness. If the game didn't have custom enchantments, I couldn't have had such a strong impression of weapon development. It's the worst, and best thing I've done in Oblivion. I can't believe that no-one had a similarly interesting experience with spellcrafting.
Oh I have one, I made a fire spell that paralysed and burnt an npc but also healed them more than the damage it dealt. So they'd be laying there in burning agony, unable to move yet unable to die, forced to experience this torture for the maximum time spellcrafting allowed. I also added a bit of light as a way of making an example out of them for the other npcs. Look upon my horrifying light, see as your friend can do nothing but lay there in torment.
Just making a comment to bookmark quips and minor sections 3:11:18 Lol 3:29:30 Perks 3:45:45 Faction Ranks 3:46:40 Magic 4:56:35 Leveling 5:23:30 College continues 5:30:30 Books 6:24:35 Alchemy and Enchanting 6:43:40 Dark Brotherhood 7:04:59 7:07:50
Something about seeing "A Quick Retrospective" for a 9 hour video that is just part 1 of a two part series, for some reason fills my heart with immeasurable amount of joy.
You described my feelings about the magic system in Skyrim perfectly. You also captured my abject rage as a mage player and how the game is actively antagonistic to the play style. Legitimately, if there's anything that needs massive attention in TES 6 its magic. The system was done so dirty, so clearly lacking in attention or care in Skyrim, that they need some dedicated system designers whose entire job is nothing BUT the magic system and its integration from low to high levels being fun and not horrible tedium.
That’s just the game as a whole imo. I’m not sure the combat is even the problem, as much as I hate it. The game has absolutely no pacing of any sort, it’s just a bunch of half baked systems, probably worked on by teams that aren’t communicating with each other.
I've always hated when people say "it doesn't have to be realistic, its a fantasy game!". The ideas that skill increase leads to leveling increase makes logical sense. You get better at something, you get stronger. You work out at the gym and your stamina goes up. But the argument that "oh there's dragons and cat people, it doesn't have to be realistic" is very flawed. This world may not be realistic to our world, but it abides by the same basic rules of life. Like you said, people need to eat breathe and have shelter. Even with fantastical elements, there are still logical rules to how this universe works. I know this is basically the point you made in the video, but I am so glad to see someone else has this view as well. Thought I was going crazy with all of the people telling me that this game didn't have to be realistic. Also amazing video :)
It's about communication. If you share absolutely nothing with your audience, there is no way you can convey anything. Having more 'realism' piggybacks off our common language as humans. Having a certain button-layout uses the langauge gamers have formed. But you don't strictly need this (see Egoraptor's description of Megaman X) as long as you set stakes and make clear your intention as the designer. That allows you to do something like, say, tetris, katamari damacy, or many ludonarratively dissonant puzzle games.
What's ironic is that we even have "fantasy" as a genre is BECAUSE of realism. The whole point of literaly fantasy is to write about things that cannot exists, just like they could exists. To apply literaly realism (to some degree at least) to something that is impossible to happen in real world. This is the reason why we aren't talking much about fantasy genre before 19th and 20th century, only about fairy tales or legends or... just normal stories that has stuff that we today would think of as impossible, but people there did not consider them as such. Fantasy can only exists if you know something is impossible and you try to treat it in fiction as possible anyways, with all the consequences of that. Fantasy without a realism is (in worst case scenario) a description of a fever dream where everything can happen randomly without any logic, or (in best case scenario) a modern fairy tale in which things are happening, but consequences of them are not explored and events are either completly taken at the face value or a symbolizing of something outside the story.
My boxer build Kajiit marched in and suplexed Grelod the Kind in front of all the children, then stood their teabagging her as they all cheered. 0 repercussions from the law
For the Dark Brotherhood quest where you kill the vampire couple, the cabin a bit away from the house contains skulls and bloody rags, showing they've been killing travelers
if you talk to the wife she very not-so-subtly hints that too: "Other people just make things complex. Out here, Hern and I can get everything we need from the occasional traveler."
At least it feels more alive than Morrowind. I love Morrowind but damn it feels so dead static npcs, walls of text (I don’t mind too much but it can be a bit overwhelming sometimes), while Morrowind does a lot of things right I feel less immersed cause there’s usually only a handful of interesting things to see. Compare that to Oblivion when you randomly come across an oblivion gate or in Skyrim when you see that gigantic distant ruin and people in the town talk about it
@@brycekrispiez714 Yeah, the best course of action would have been to have all the good things integrated from all games, but I'm sure there is a myriad of things against that idea, seeing how massive these games tend to be; although Obsidian managed to do great world building in 18 months, so it is hard to say how much is bad management and incompetence.
This is a passion project and one that takes a lot of time, note taking, consideration, balancing of objectivity and subjectivity, and all that stuff to create. Thank you for this as this will provide me many hours of entertainment and further thinking for my favorite role playing series.
I honestly used bound weapons alot. They don't take up any inventory space, and the damage wasn't too bad once it was fully upgraded. It was also a great way to level up fast because you could level up conuration and something like one handed at the same time
Yeah, dismissal of bound weapons seems weird. Sure the options wasn't much but it scaled a little better than most combat magic thanks to also getting weapon perks, and you even could summon them silently with the Illusion Silent Magic perk, allowing you to take advantage of your light robes to sneak or (shock and horror) conjuration sneak archer
This is I think my 4th rewatch of this video (and it’s part 2) and I realized this is the perfect video to fall asleep to, instead of just using it as background noise.
What I like about your retrospecives the most is that you actually have a more than basic understanding of the lore and setting of the games. You are in fact quite knowledgeable and did your research. Loved your explaination for the civil war.
I hate how Thalmor is shown to be comically evil, yet another mustache-twirling evil guy. Ancano decided to pull out the school shooter and ponder the orb for evil reasons that are evil. During the quest in the embassy, you have a dungeon with tortured prisoners who are already prisoners begging for mercy and getting mace to the face for that after he already said everything. Bethesda just railroads you into making sure you hate them- just so by chance, you won't feel bad for them. It's the same case as with Gretel the Kind where the first thing you see is her yelling at kids and telling them nobody wants them. "Do you hate her player? Do you hate her enough that you won't feel bad for killing her?" You're not allowed to choose how you feel, instead, the game grabs you by your balls and tells you how to feel, making me in the end feel indifferent. Not to mention this characterization makes Thalmor extremely boring unless you read every note to find the interesting part and how they work from shadow. Unfortunately, they're the most obvious evil guys in Tamlier, just so players won't miss the note he should hate them. Makes me question how anyone falls for their manipulation
"But why?" "Nyehhhh because I'm Thalmorrrr" Almost every single interaction with Thalmor boils down to this. There's no Caesar who will give you a reasoned explanation on their attitude and behavior. They're just evil elf Nazis because of course they are. (Yeah ik there's lore about them destroying humanity to restore their own immortality or something. Skyrim does not try to convey this so I don't care) Frankly the one Thalmor npc who doesn't kill you on sight and can be interacted with more than just spouting a line of dialogue (the one who gives u a side quest in Markarth) treats you with more courtesy and less racism than most Nords after you help him. The fact you're even allowed to aid him at all (and the fact he doesn't screw you over later) is bizarre given how one note his buddies are.
I think its real funny that you need to kill Grelod in order to destroy the Dark Brotherhood. The one faction with a choice still requires you to kill a technically innocent old woman.
The madman stuck to the ratio. I'm ecstatic to watch this multiple times at work like I do with your other works. Such high quality and detail, looking forward to that 34 hour Elder Scrolls VI quick retrospective *fingers crossed*.
So, if you’re a werewolf with a corrupted soul AND you’ve pledged your soul to Nocturnal, and then you get soul trapped and sent to Soul Cairne, who gets your soul?
Soul Cairn > Hunting Grounds > Evergloam. Nocturnal is a contract, the breaking of which will definitely see your soul punished in some way. Hircine's gift is a part of your blood, your soul, a much more immediate claim. Getting soul trapped intercepts your soul before it can go to either. I think.
@@evolutionground8946 that makes sense. But also, I feel like Daedra, being as contractual as they are, would pay a heavy claim on the souls they’ve been promised. Honestly, the concept of being soul trapped sounds horrible.
Only reason I assume that werewolves have increased carry weight is because of the Steed stone or the perks that make your armor weigh nothing when worn. I'm sure there were moments during playtesting where someone turned into a werewolf and was suddenly encumbered after their transformation. Edit: Also, for my favorite first person melee combat system, it's gonna be the Tide series. Vermintide 2 has some fairly mild RPG mechanics (gear stats, perk-style talents, etc.) and some weighty combat where just about every weapon feels good in some way. Even weapons that are ostensibly similar between characters usually have some kind of difference, either in the moveset or affected by the differences in character abilities. Victor's flail has similar properties to Sienna's flail, like ignoring shields and being able to hold a power attack indefinitely, but Sienna is a fire wizard and her flail is enchanted so every time she does an overhead with it and hits an enemy, they explode, lighting nearby enemies on fire and staggering them with the shockwave, making it good for crowd control or potentially stun-locking a beefy foe. Victor's flail feels more suited to actually killing things in a timely manner and has a slightly different moveset.
@Patrician I've been watching your Elder Scrolls Retrospective videos multiple times now and noticed that you missed something. A problem involving Dawnguard and the Thieves Guild. In the Thieves Guild, you have to get Gallus's journal translated and the only way to do that is getting a rubbing from Calcemo's tablet because no one else can translate Falmer. However, if you go to the Vale to get Auriel's Bow, you will find ancient Falmer books that you can take to the Mage College Librarian and he can translate them.
It's worth mentioning that Brunwulf Free-Winter in Windhelm does bring to light Ulfric's apathy and unwillingness to help the Dunmer, and non-Nords in general.
It's also worth mentioning the obvious segregation of Dunmer to a ghetto and the outright exclusion of Argonians from the city, with harm systemically offloaded to basically any non-humans. That shit isn't the mark of an anti-racist jarl. I can only imagine Patrician didn't notice, but a good chunk of the arguments he made for Ulfric being good, actually, fell on the wrong side of ethnonationalist. It's an easy argumentative blunder when talking about fantasy races, given how bad the fantasy genre is on that generally, but it still isn't a good argument.
As for every other race I can also see some things, Argonians: long ago right before the dark elves invaded them they invaded everyone else, they were a ruthless wave of salt the earth types, just because they drank too much tree sap and their ego got massive, immediately after they got their shit rocked and enslaved by the dunmer Khajites: I really gotta explain why? No one likes them because they are always screwing people over, let's not forget they starved a redguard island paying pirates to specifically target their food and then at the brink the khajites came in and sold them food for ownership of the island, after they accepted they killed everyone on their new island, and no one could bitch because they had the paperwork and the empire refused to go against paperwork Wood elves: no reason to hate them, let's just kill ulfric, don't hurt my woody bois
Wait wait wait, why did Patrician complain that Camelworks is "making fluff for watch time" and "doesn't understand why he would put that much effort into making it?" Does he genuinely not understand that theorizing about stuff like this can be *fun?* This is a genuine question for PatricianTV, if somehow he is still reading comments on this video.
After stumbling upon your other Elder Scrolls Retro videos and digesting them I have been waiting patiently for months now, always having a nervous itch when I open the You Tube...now its here, the Skyrim Retro! And its 20 hours in total! Thank you so much
Savos Aren, at least in part, is a stand in for Todd Howard. You have to go behind his back to get work done. Think of the Ants on a Stump guy who had to say he didn't put much time or effort into it because it wasn't sanctioned work. That Will Shen GDC talk sure has added a lot of perspective.
Todd Howard, based on interviews and information come out in the light of Starfield, is not someone you have to “go behind the back of” to get things done. The culture in the studio is that everyone has the freedom to put in their own ideas. Aren is a commentary on that style of incompetent academic leader, probably based some professor whatever writer had in college some time.
Regarding the Dark Brotherhood's Initiation: Given that the reward Aventus gives you is a family heirloom plate worth about 50 gold, Astrid likely decided the job was not worth the effort, since Dark Brotherhood contracts run in excess of 1000 septims, which an orphan in Windhelm would not be likely to possess. And then some random person does the job and now she has to deal with them or take another hit on their already collapsed reputation.
@@meciocio my point Is when coming up with that quest, they maybe wrote one line of content in storyboarding for it. They talk about this openly. They don't think deeply about their stories. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, I enjoy ocarina of time too
I really resonate with the magic discussion, my 2 favorite play styles are sword and board battle mage and pure mage - I was up in arms for all of 10 seconds when you laid into magic but immediately remembered I have to have 12+ gameplay and progression overhauls just to make magic worth while
I wonder if Meridia asked the spider to go get dawnbringer, and the poor beast just got scared of the screeching rock thing and stuffed it in a web sack. 57:12
I watched this because it totals 20 hours and I was like "wtf can he possibly say bout Skyrim for 20 hours" I'm only 40 minutes in, but I'm totally into it so far, I've played the hell out of Skyrim, so I'm not really learning anything new, but I really appreciate you're thoroughness and attention to detail. An incredibly impressive work, congratulations.
54:00 it's so funny that there is a character named Farkas that is a werewolf. It just means wolf in Hungarian. This is some J. K. Rowling level naming convention.
@@12halo3 It's a joke about Rowling naming her werewolf Remus(roman myth guy raised by the mythological wolf Lupa) Lupin(also means wolf), among other "object association" type names(Kingsley Shacklebolt for instance). And yes, people sometimes name their children after qualities they wish them to have(Grace, Hunter, Charity), or were named after what they do when people were [name] the [profession] and then we axed "the"(Hunter, Smith, Tanner). But they named twin werewolfs "wolf" in separate languages. If you're going to do thematic naming, go the Skoirn route of having their name tie into their behavior or hint at their end(he was named "feeble", but he was constantly proving that he wasn't, til he fell in battle alone), not the Lightlark route of just naming them what they are but in another language (main character: is ruler of nature/earth magic people. Name? Isla Crown. Other notable characters: blond sun king with the power to cost objects in gold: Oro(gold in Spanish. Most of them are in Spanish). King of the sky people: Azure. King of the curse wielding night people: Grim. Queen of the Star people: Aurora/Celestina(same person, but semi-immortal shapeshifter). Queen of the Moon people: Cloe (yeah, kind of out of left field there isn't it?). And none of them have last names. Anyway, mocking Lightlark aside, picking a wolf related name for a werewolf is just bleh.
@@blackosprey2219 to be fair, Wolf the halfwolf has nothing on [Man raised by a Wolf] Wolf the manwolf. Also it's not the only "object association" type name in the series, nor is that type of naming convention good wherever it pops up.
Worth pointing out the charcoal/paper puzzle in Calcelmo's room is quite easy to just blunder through - if you just blindly pick up everything on the table, go to the slate and hit copy. I think it was only on my third run I happened not to pick up the charcoal and realized I wasn't able to copy the slate.
In your argument about the civil war and why the Stormcloaks are not racist, I think you completely overlooked the point that another major reason for the Stormcloaks to win back Skyrim's freedom is to make Skyrim "for the Nords" again. And while yes this means ejecting the Empire from the seat of power, there is a big focus as well on the fact that they want to eject non-Nords from Skyrim, and return it back to being "for the Nords". This is stated overtly by the game multiple times. So I'm not sure why you just didn't mention it. But then maybe you do later or in part 2 as a way of catching me out for commenting before finishing the entire video. Otherwise it seems like a calculated omission :/
Also odd that one of his examples of Tullius’s “racism” is just a blanket statement about how they’ll have Ulfric’s head on a pike (no shit he started the rebellion) and another is him saying he doesn’t understand the Nords but he’s grown to respect them. Almost like he missed the really obvious characterization of Tullius as a general who’s in a foreign land and doesn’t understand the customs or culture, but then moves past his ignorance by the end of the quest-line. It’s pretty on the nose, so it feels a bit disingenuous.
Definitely agree about magic in general in this game. Magic was my first build in Skyrim and I had most of the same thoughts. That said, re: perks. I never got the expectation a mage character was supposed to be an expert in every school... The mage NPCs in game are always experts in one school. I usually pick like two schools to be an "expert" in, while picking a few perks from the others. Then this is offset by not needing an armor skill and/or blocking skill. When calculating the perks a warrior "needs", you wouldn't include 1H, 2H, blocking and archery for example. You're supposed to pick a couple. I never expected mages to be able to put a lot of perks in every school of magic.
Concerning Titus Mede taking credit for the victory of the battle of the Ring Road: He did not stay away from the battle because he was a coward, but rather because he was too wounded to participate, but the troops still needed the Emperor to lead them for better troop morale, which is why someone else disguised themself as the Emperor to lead the troops.
About the combat suggestion: I'm not sure how you'd implement a Mount & Blade type directional system for console. While the system works well the quick movements of a mouse, I imagine doing the same with a slow analog stick would be pretty stodgy. I think a better option (also from Mount & Blade) is tying attack and parrying speed to a skill. This means that higher level enemies will be able to physically outpace lower level players. This provides a both a physical challenge in fighting higher level enemies and a meaningful incentive to investing in a characters combat skill. Some of the most tense moments in Mount & Blade come from fighting an enemy who can move faster than you and desperately trying to find an opportunity to fight back. This also makes specific weapon choice more impactful. Choosing a slower weapon doesn't just make your DPS calculation is slightly different, it effects moment to moment combat. If you're playing a tank character, you may choose a mace because you are willing to open yourself up to more damage in order to inflict more damage yourself. If you're playing a rouge type character, you may pick a sword to be able to deflect more attacks. You could even make holding a normal weapon slow you down slightly, and provide an incentive to actually fighting with a dagger or your fists. However, I wonder how well such a system could incorporate fighting non-human monsters, like trolls or dragons.
Having played Mount & Blade on console before, the directional attacks actually work very well, all a player has to do is flick the right stick in the direction they want to attack or block and it won't even pull them off target
Kingdom come, I remember, does the combat very well, as you gain experience with the weapon you're using and learn how to strike better. also the amount of combos you can do in that game is just on another level
7:34:10 the letter Astrid is refering to is the coded letter from Motierre, not the letters from the random encounter assassins met in the game prior to joining/destroing the brotherhood.
I think he was juxtaposing Astrid calling his player “sloppy” for reading a letter… When she apparently can’t keep track of an open hit she took out on the person standing in front of her. “Sloppy” indeed.
Just finished your conjurate weapon section. An easy fix I thought about for not falling behind with the damage of the weapon (and the selection of what type of weapon), is to add a conjuration table specific to conjuration that would allow you to "give over" or "destroy" the selected weapon you want to the planes of Oblivion (assuming that's where conjuration happens). Maybe also with that conjuration table, the ability to modify your conjurations, including summons
That is indeed where conjured weapons come from, they're daedra that the player forces to take the shape of a weapon. It'd be cool if at early levels you were forced to use whatever weapon the daedra felt like being with the option to change it to a different but weaker version of another weapon of your choice. Then as you get more experience in commanding daedra, you can force them to change form more easily and the restrictions fall away. Maybe they could deal bonus damage to daedra as a way to make using them more attractive.
Dread Delusion releases in a few days. It looks very much like it will scratch that Morrowind itch, at least in part. Small studio, and it’s not directly trying to be Morrowind, has other influences, etc etc, but I’m really hopeful
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 The writing in the game is pretty awful. A lot of it feels ripped straight from a reddit post. Comparing it to Morrowind is an insult to Morrowind.
On level locked spell effects, in a game with leveled enemies... their effectiveness could be relative to your level. As you level up your spellcasting, you should get more good tools, not fewer.
People often forget vanilla skyrim is largely mediocre, but it provided such an incredible base/tools for modders to expand upon. I've put thousands of hours into skyrim due to the moddability. I would have long abandoned skyrim altogether without mods.
I only and always played vanilla skyrim on my ps3 and i keep replay it without any problem. Mediocre do you say? Wow. We have different tastes for sure
I know I'm late... but about the combat. I think a RPG that made a good combat style with progression as player and character was Gothic (1+2). After you invested in your skill, you could do better combats and felt stronger as a character. I know the combat mechanics were not perfect, but I like the idea of a character first being clumsy and at the end someone who really knows how to swing his weapon.
I hate the whole argument of "I don't wanna hear 'it's more realistic" because it's a fantasy game." Oh, my bad. Should we remove gravity then? Basic physics don't need to exist, after all, it's a game about magic dragons. Speaking of dragons, let's get rid of their wings. They don't need them to fly. No gravity, remember? They can just hover above the battlefield unsuspended.
I mean chinese dragons do be like that, holy smokes, you just came up with an amazing idea actually :D Would totally buy gravityless dragon bashing game
I love how the Riften Thieves' Guild discuss all their plans directly under the open well in the middle of the town market and they wonder why they have bad luck. Then they hire a mute and things suddenly turn around.
Farkas murders the main character in cold blood and walks away slowly while saying: “You look strong. Come to Jorrvaskr and be a companion” Ah yes, the peak Skyrim experience.
To be fair, if you can get back up to get to jorrvaskr and join the companions after being bludgeoned to death, you're probably reasonably cut out for a warrior faction
I think my peak skyrim moment was when I killed a bunch of thugs, pull the note to see who I pissed off, and see the name "Drayden" or some shit. I have no idea who that is, so I google it. Whatever the name is nothing comes up. So I'm sitting there confused as to who the fuck I need to murder to prove a point, until I go to level up. I was "Drayden" it was me. I hired the hitmen to kill myself. I literally have no idea what I did to trigger this, I'm assuming it was a Mod issue, but that's the most Skyrim thing I've had happen.
The Way We Look at Things You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. -2 Timothy 3:1 Someone said, “I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. A Christian worldview will affect the way that we see everything. And why is this important? Because we are living in the last days. Jesus Christ is coming back again. And if ever there was a time when we need to know our Bibles and have a close walk with Christ, the time is now. Describing the end times, the apostle Paul said, “In the last days there will be very difficult times. For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control” (2 Timothy 3:1-3) Paul went on to say, “They will be cruel and hate what is good. They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly” (verses 3-5) Is that not an accurate assessment of the times in which we are living? The United States has never been more spiritual yet more immoral. We throw the word spiritual around a lot. But do we know what it means? We live in an age when we can write our own apps and customize our home screens. We can keep the stuff we like and throw out the things we don’t. And we carry that thinking into other aspects of our lives. The result is something called moral relativism. Moral relativism is the belief that there are no absolutes. There is no right or wrong. Moral relativism teaches that we are all products of the evolutionary process and not made by a Creator God. There is no devil. There is no good or evil. And there is no plan or purpose for our lives. Moral relativism also teaches that we are all basically good, and if we happen to go bad, then it’s because we’re simply products of our environment. It teaches that we make our own truth. For instance, if you believe in a God of love, forgiveness, and mercy, you can keep that. But if you’re offended by the biblical teaching of a God of holiness, righteousness, and judgment, you can delete that. It works out perfectly. Or so it seems. Moral relativism may sound fine in theory. But what if we were to put it into practice? Will a god of our own making be able to save us in the final day? Of course not. A biblical worldview says there is a God as revealed in the Bible, and the Bible alone is the authority and source of that belief. It is not what we feel or what is popular, acceptable, or perceived as cool. It is what the Bible says.
The hired thugs trying to kill you can lead to some unintentional silliness. My first encounter with them was leaving Solitude. I was very surprised and it was a tough fight because I was on the highest difficulty (before a patch added a newer highest difficulty). I then read the contract and learned it was the innkeeper I had stayed with. I stole some small consumable (I think a potion?) from my room. I had basically done the equivalent of not paying for those overpriced snacks that some hotels offer, and the innkeep responded with attempted murder.
I vaguely remember doing something similar, I think I misclicked on something and accidentally stole a flower or whatever from a shelf, I dropped it hoping to not get a bounty and the thugs showed up as soon as I left the building. Word gets around fast for a place with no internet.
same i don't care about the game and won't even pirate it but i'm waiting to see if it comes out at all so patrician tv can make a 30 hour any % speedrun analysis
@@austinbevis4266 it’s a random drop, I’ve found it in every odd nook and cranny from random chests in the wild to inside dungeon chests. It’s like a clingy ex who won’t get over the fact you dumped them.
it's crazy how urag is like one of the most memorable characters from skyrim simply because "the arcaneum might as well be my own little plane of oblivion" is just such a character establishing line
@@pquonbbx the line isnt even that insanely good but the fact that most of skyrim's dialogue is extremely boring makes the times where it's kind of good stick out so much more
1:13:20 It reminds me of a Tumblr post that someone made a while ago, where they pointed out that Bethesda's "environmental storytelling" is usually just placing a dead body somewhere and placing a note on it that's like, "Oh, no, I've been murdered!"
Reminds me of the one cave that drained the life energy of anyone who was in it, and some guy kept a journal with entries spanning several days right up to the point of death about he was starving, thirsty and so weak he couldn't lift his arm... yet he was writing that in perfect handwriting at the same time, instead of just crawling his dumbass out of the cave to fucking survive and escape it's draining touch.
A better example would be the Wooden Mask you can find at the Dragon Priest summit, its subtlely implied that the Thalmor were after the Khonarik Golden Dragon Priest Mask and made a time-travelling mask to find it, but his bodyguards killed him in suspicion.
Shamus Young had a great point about The Companions. Imagine you are walking down a sidewalk, maybe heading to the bank or something, and there is a road crew doing work on the road. You pass just as they finish and one of the workers runs up to you and says, "some help you were." It's the exact same thing with Aela and the giant fight at the beginning of the game. It's so ridiculous. Bethesda was so terrified of the player missing the Companions in tiny Whiterun that they shoved the faction into the player's face in the dumbest way possible. Then they did it again with the Thieves Guild.
My favorite thing about that is how I got lost the first time I played and ended up in a dungeon before I made it to whiterun. I completely missed the encounter with the companions and the giant. As much as they tried to make it unavoidable, I missed it without even knowing it was a thing until my next character.
Yet this never happens for the College of Winterhold. Sure, every court mage will tell you to check it out, but it is in no way forced on the character like the other 2 main factions. Thanks Todd
I agree but it’s waaaaayyyyy dumber in the case of the thieves guild. Like… dude… it’s the THIEVES guild. Doesn’t it seem like the worst conceivable idea to literally walk up to random strangers and invite them to join your clandestine, secret, underground criminal organization? Like imagine walking into a pizza parlor in New York and some dude is like “ayy you look like you would be really good at intimidations rackets”
Right imagine going into the sewers finding a bar with the bartender that asked you to get an item that was "stolen" and after that gets introduced to a friend that needs help without much detail thrown in just to meet him at a place at a time and you have to get back an item that was stolen from him after which you are told to go to a 3rd place where you are then formerly introduced to the thieves guild with the first two being tests about willingness to break into buildings and second that you can follow orders and instructions and show skill. Rather being walked up on in the town market announcing that I'm here to steal
The part about the dark brotherhood and Nazir's "less important" contracts didn't even need to be so self-damaging with it's presentation and insistence on being less important. Just establish that Nazir is efficient and Astrid is creative, so the contracts that have weird requirements (Baenlin and the mounted head, Francois Motierre, to draw from oblivion examples) go through Astrid as she pieces together how to satisfy the client's unique requests, while the simple "Just kill him I don't care how it gets done" go through Nazir. His line should be something more like "I'll admit, my contracts aren't as glamorous or as exciting as Astrid's. I handle the simpler jobs that come through. There's plenty of work to be had here, but don't expect a grand elaborate heist." His established attitude even works with the idea that he handles simple and efficient contracts, while his teasing jabs and jokes can be how he copes with how boring the jobs tend to be.
Thanks to some finicky looseness on the definition of what "casting a spell" means, you can become Archmage without having ever cast a spell yourself. The least educated Dragonborn can just pick up a couple staves or scrolls and be hailed as the new Archmage.
@@731freeman I wouldn't call the Oblivion Mage's Guild questline "good" exactly, but it at the very least actually tries to replicate what being a student of magic would be like. In fact that's what most of the questlines in Oblivion are: lacking in objective quality, but you can at least tell there was real effort put in and there ARE good ideas there. Unlike Skyrim's quests.
Best part about the Companions quest line is that you can tell off Aela when you first meet her after the giant fight and she'll still invite you to join them anyways. She's the original Preston Garvey, no matter what you say she still adds the quest to your journal.
"there are no priests of nocturnal" "what if the other priests find out we're not really priests?" accidentally setting up a hilarious situation where every priest of nocturnal is afraid that the other priests will find out they're not really a priest of nocturnal
Best part of this is I don’t even know which game you’re talking about. My best guess is Morrowind but honestly Oblivion AND Skyrim are both also valid lmfao
it all depends on which is your first. oldheads love 2 and 3 while newf..s love 4 and 5. idk anyone who actually played 1 when it came out so uhh that i just wont count. its not like soulsborne where it just becomes preference to which iteration of the same formula you like the most. its like asking a new yorker which style of pizza is their favorite, of course theyre gonna pick new york style.
My first contact with the companions: 1.Get yelled at for not helping 2.Enter Building with 2 people fighting 3.Use my heal spell which seemed to bug them out, they draw their weapon and go on a rampage 4.About 5 people are now dead
I felt your rage on the magic system man, Bethesda is like a pizza place that sells the best pizza dough of all time, but they are to lazy to make the other ingredients good since the dough sells so well, so the rest of the ingredients are literally human feces, so you go buy dough and make the rest of the pizza by yourself in your house with mods.
They need someone like Obsidian to handle the story and dialog for them for the elder scrolls games like Obsidian did for Fallout New Vegas. Just focus on the world design
@@belhariry Obsidian is a terrible company now, and they will not help in any way shape or form. I would rather play Fallout 4, again, then have to sit through the slog fest that is Outerworlds. "We get it, you're a communist"
One idea that I've seen to make the companions questline much better deals with the silver hand being a group that split off from the companions after the circle became werewolves. That the silver hand stayed true to Ysgramor and their nordic heritage by rebelling against lycanthropy and trying to find the pieces of wuthraad to honor Ysgramor. This would've added so much depth and maybe you could've even joined the silver hand to return the companions guild to their former glory, rather than being forced to become a werewolf.
I really like this idea. Such a simple concept that might not have taken much time to incorporate into the factions quest line. And as you said it would add so much depth to the companions, along with providing an interesting way to have a meaningful interaction with the silver hand.
@@himynameis3664 I wouldn't say that would be a quick or easy add. You would need to make new quests (even if they are just radiant quests featuring wolfs and maybe a werewolf), a comparable number of voice lines, unless Bethesda wanted to be super lazy they would need the town to have opinions on the Silver Hand killing and replacing the local guild. Add this to Patrician's theory that the werewolf stuff was added late and they were already ignorant enough about denying becoming a werewolf. Some fans could probably do a barebones version of it. Or a really good version depending on voice acting and the ability to avoid breaking the game by killing the Companions.
@@himynameis3664 It most likely would have taken a LOT of time to implement. Knowing Bethesda’s writing process, they would not only add more depth to the Silver Hand (in this case completely reworking who they are, creating more characters and needing more voice lines) but would also dehumanize and strip depth from the Companions. As cool as it would be for the Dragonborn to have to choose between a no-nonsense guild of werewolf hunters or a community-bound guild of werewolf warriors, The Elder Scrolls isn’t really known for their ability to create dynamic, impactful, and difficult choices. I may be wrong but I believe this idea came from Fudge Muppet and is honestly a very good idea. However the fact that the Silver Hand in game is just a bandit faction with silver weapons proves Bethesda either did not have time or simply didnt care
And you know what? Kodlack DOES NOT like being a ware wolf in the end. He actively wants to un-lycanthrope himself, and silver hand respect him for this. Maybe silver hand and circle were at peace because both respect Kodlack. Then mid point in quest Kodlack dies because and this causes Sliver hand and Companions to go war. The war is about who gets to do what to body. Circle wants to burn him in Skyforge so his body strengthens their weapons while Silver hand want to un-lycanthrope Kodlack and show everyone in Skyrim that Circle are ware wolfs.
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The craziest thing about the Companions isn’t just that they force you to become a werewolf. But when you first turn, the game *expects* you to go kill random Whiterun civilians to test out your powers. Like, these guys are supposed to be mercenaries that defend the city. And they just let you loose to go kill innocent people? Why not have the player character go on a werewolf rampage in the silver hand base? Or better yet, have the silver hand attack on Jorvaskyr happen much earlier in the questline minus the slaying of Kodlak that way the newbie player character Companion can prove himself further by testing his werewolf skills on people who actually deserve it and thus protecting the home of the Companions while doing so. Skyrim is the only game where the heroic warrior factions make you feel more like a scumbag rather than a hero
I remember way back on release when I first did that quest, I did go on a rampage not thinking much of it. Only during that killing spree, Belethor happened to be leaving his shop and aggroed, and I killed him during the scene, which meant he was dead for good after the transformation ended. Which meant that, until Ysolda decided to take up the mantel, I just didn't have access to the Whiterun general store for a non-insignificant amount of time. Hell, instead of rampaging in the city, they could have had an underground training area that they used for the new Werewolfs to get the hang of their powers while also not potentially harming innocent people during it.
You don't need to go on The rampage, you just need to wait for like 5min. With you do that they will Say "Many of Us don't have the luck to not go on a bloodbath on your first night as a werewolf"
@@samfire3067 yeah so basically, the game still expects you to go kill random npcs because the Companions will have special dialogue just in case you decide not to 😭
@@samfire3067 I think the point still stands that they know a newly turned werewolf is generally inclined toward a blood rage and left you in the middle of a town to go through it. Even if you can just stand in place, the Companions are impressed that you didn't slaughter the people they put you in a position to slaughter.
Are you guys dumb? Did you not read the 3 lines of dialogue before the blood ritual? The whole point of the night of the transformation is to RP how you would act as a werewolf (either rampage or just leave the city) and you get a dialogue acording to your choice. We know thanks to Aela that some werewolves can control themselves and others just go feral. Just because you're smoothbrained and need to click every red dot on map for a dopamine release doesn't mean the game is badly designed. If this sort of roleplaying option was on morrowind you guys would praise it 😂.
Ya know what would've been an interesting climax of the college of winterhold questline? Using magic to raise the collapsed parts of winterhold from the sea, which opens up another side quest (or side questline) where you help rebuild winterhold.
Honestly, that's a cool idea, imagine if it gave you boons like a farm where what alchemy resources you cultivate give you like x4 the normal amount, so plucking a 1 nirnroot gives you 4, and so on.
I have thought about that too. Well rebuilding Winter hold and gaining the respect of the people that live there. It would make sense to have a quest like that, considering the damage the College did to the village.
Thanks to everyone tuning in.
ANCIENT DRAGONBORN: I learned they weren't Dragonborn at pretty much the last possible minute (while listing out all the Dragonborn near the end of Act 2) and made the decision to just leave the mistakes in out of laziness, but also the realization that the mistake says more about the characters than anything I could have written. If they had been utilized better, I doubt an error like that would have survived in my script long.
Is there going to be some sort of way to navigate this magnificent behemoth, like timestamps?
@@anonnymousperson timestamps are in the description
its the least I could do.
You're making my weekend my man, these videos of yours are my absolute favorite online content in years.
Thank you so much for all your countless hours of work. We all greatly appreciate the lengths you take to entertain us.
It always bothered me that my character's soul was promised to like 8 different afterlives by the end of the game.
It’s going to be a battle royal to see who gets the Dragonborn’s soul
ah yes, the elder scrolls equivalent to john Constantine
John Constantine is immortal for the very same reason. After he dies various deitys will fight over what happens to him
I think we're misunderstanding what becoming a champion of a deity is supposed to be. Obviously the Dragonborn can't go to the afterlife of any of the Daedra, because their soul is, by default, part of Akatosh, and as such, would return to Akatosh no matter what. Way I understand it, one has to actually dedicate themselves to a particular deity, whereas the protags of the games just contact the Daedric Princes for some immediate profit.
@@georgeoldsterd8994 what about the thieves guild quest line? You clearly pledge yourself to nocturnal also sithis if you join the dark brotherhood then there’s Mora at the end of Dragonborn
Killing Astrid was the first thing I tried, and seeing the quest failed text only to be immediately followed by "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood" was the most satisfying thing in the game.
.Too bad that quest really sucked...
The best thing about it is that, if you don't decapitate her with your killcam, she actually whispers "well done" as she dies.
I'd say it's a shame there wasn't more of that kind of stuff, but that quest was rather lackluster, I don't know if they'd have made anything else you could "fail" and start a differing questline for would be any better.
@@Alpine1996 i wish they actually made a quest to destroy thiefs guild.
@@Alpine1996 Yup. Totally agree! I hate how they basically force you to be bad guy, or at the very least "The Antihero". And worst part is that it doesnt even matter what you choose in the game, its the cannon lore that states that you end up being connected to daedra. In oblivion you end up taking over Sheogorath's realm, and Dragonborn just becomes Hermeus Mora's new collectable. I hate that!
*Ahhh yes this finally gets recommended 5 hours into a premiere...*
*there he is*
The timezones confused UA-cam.
The UA-cam algorithm, it just works.
Thats what you get for breaking everything you touch
Ahh yes, perfectly balanced review that can't be broken even by the power of being perfectly balanced Brit
This kind of short-form content is ruining this generation’s attention span
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Got to the bit about the werewolfs-THANK YOU! It was always so irritating to have a nord warrior character having to abandon the nord warrior afterlife to play the nord warrior questline
yeah it's kind of weird how shallow the warrior questline is for the game that is rather warrior oriented. I mean heck the primary antagonists are just reskinned bandits but with silver swords and alchemy ingredients. there *might* have been cut content that would have made the silver hand more interesting. But nothing came of it.
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@@sigrdrifa0 Heck is more than a Reddit word, no need to have PTSD over a euphemism for hell.
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Based. Too many redditoids polluting everything with their repugnant jargon. They're already coping and seething after being found out.
Picture this: The year is 2060. TES6 finally came out in 2043, and now the time has come to look back at it. You and your adult children get together - the whole extended family does, in fact. PatricianTV’s 70 hour analysis is about to release, and the government has decreed that the winter holidays will be extended an extra two weeks (mandatory). You tell the grandkids stories of how you were there at the Oblivion and Skyrim analysis premieres. Maybe you watched the Morrowind videos the moment they first released.
It’s gonna be a good 70 hours, you think to yourself.
Picture this: The year is 2060. Will still hasn't come back to UA-cam after what he considered a harsh review of his content by Patrician.
@@admiraltonydawning3847 Picture this: Todd Howard in his old age has decided, after the contentious relationship with Morrowind fans and their 6 (soon to be 7) fan-ports into other engines (including TES6 and DaggerfallUnity3), to hire PatricianTV as his loremaster and lead supervisor to balance out retaining the old guard-- now several generations deep of Morrowind fans-- with pulling in new audiences with modernized action RPG mechanics and plots.
You learn this fact from a cameo by old man Todd in the last 30 seconds of this 70 hours epic.
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only 70 hours?
I was here! I WAS HERE!!!
I never realized the potential of Skyrim VR until I saw the footage of you waking up Mirabelle Ervine, groveling at the statue of Meridia, and slapping the orc who was talking in the middle of Malacath's speech. I've watched your Morrowind and Oblivion retrospectives multiple times start to finish, thanks for another 20 hours of entertainment.
It was shoving the Dawnstar guard for me
Tbh with certain mods like Spellsiphon, magic feels so good in SkyrimVR and the melee combat works well enough that you can still be a little campy.
Absolutely my favorite way to play Skyrim
Oh my gosh, when he pushed on her face repeatedly, then her bed becomes occupied while chatting.... simply priceless!
Witnessed the orc slapping today as finished Part II. That slap was carried out with pure authority.
i need timestamp
It's funny, no matter the video if it's praising Skyrim or detailing it's weaknesses it still makes me want to go play it again for the 100th time. It just a comfy old blanket that holds so much nostalgia for me I can't help but still love it.
Same here! I agree with a lot of PatricianTV's points and the game has a lot of flaws, but watching this video... I can't help but want to go play Skyrim anyways.
Honestly the only reason I decided to finally watch this was because I was gonna play skyrim but all the mod packs are down. I agree with all these criticisms 100% aware I'll be crawling back to this mess of a game some day 😂
Guilty as charged, I’m playing it as we speak. I’m working through all the side quests after blasting through the main, for the millionth time. I’m already planning my next play through.
It does the opposite to me, makes my resolve stronger on hating this piece of crap videogame. Because Skyrim represents everything wrong with RPGs.
@@henrycrabs3497 They probably can have fun. Just not absent-minded fun for a specific game.
I am intensely uninterested and even mildly disgusted by CoD. It currently and historically represents just about everything bad about gaming imo. But I get some of the biggest smiles of my life from games like The Cosmic Wheel of Sisterhood.
I found Riften so funny during my playthrough. I'll be honest, my initial reaction was pretty positive. I thought that having a crooked guard try to swindle you as you enter was a nice touch and a good first impression for the "Thieves Guild City."
Then all that goodwill was instantly lost when I actually entered and five separate NPC's approached me to announce how much they *love* crime
It's a great example of media undermining itself by lacking all restraint. They couldn't just drop a big hint that this town had crime and corruption, they had to go so over the top with it that it swings back into absurdity
This is why I kill the thieves guild every playthrough.
Genuinely so much of Riften's intrigue could have been saved by just having the talk about the thieves guild be prompted by the player talking to someone saying "hey i almost got mugged by the guards" and then the thieves guild gets introduced. After the player starts asking around Brynolf comes up to them and starts asking them if they're interested in actually joining the guild or if they're going to have a problem
I would have settled for literally any player choice whatsoever
The Way We Look at Things.
You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times.
-2 Timothy 3:1
Someone said, “I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
A Christian worldview will affect the way that we see everything. And why is this important? Because we are living in the last days. Jesus Christ is coming back again. And if ever there was a time when we need to know our Bibles and have a close walk with Christ, the time is now.
Describing the end times, the apostle Paul said, “In the last days there will be very difficult times. For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control”
(2 Timothy 3:1-3)
Paul went on to say, “They will be cruel and hate what is good. They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly”
(verses 3-5)
Is that not an accurate assessment of the times in which we are living? The United States has never been more spiritual yet more immoral. We throw the word spiritual around a lot. But do we know what it means?
We live in an age when we can write our own apps and customize our home screens. We can keep the stuff we like and throw out the things we don’t. And we carry that thinking into other aspects of our lives. The result is something called moral relativism.
Moral relativism is the belief that there are no absolutes. There is no right or wrong. Moral relativism teaches that we are all products of the evolutionary process and not made by a Creator God. There is no devil. There is no good or evil. And there is no plan or purpose for our lives.
Moral relativism also teaches that we are all basically good, and if we happen to go bad, then it’s because we’re simply products of our environment. It teaches that we make our own truth.
For instance, if you believe in a God of love, forgiveness, and mercy, you can keep that. But if you’re offended by the biblical teaching of a God of holiness, righteousness, and judgment, you can delete that. It works out perfectly. Or so it seems.
Moral relativism may sound fine in theory. But what if we were to put it into practice? Will a god of our own making be able to save us in the final day? Of course not.
A biblical worldview says there is a God as revealed in the Bible, and the Bible alone is the authority and source of that belief. It is not what we feel or what is popular, acceptable, or perceived as cool. It is what the Bible says.
Oh boy I sure do love crime.
Wait why are you taking out your weapon and quick saving?
I feel my bones trying to escape my skin every time I hear Emil Pagliarulo say “great American novel”
which is often because I constantly watch this video
Omg same. I started double tapping the video to skip it whenever he talks during that part
The problem with this game is you hardly ever go to the sky. Not even the rim of it. So the game already lies to you on that alone. At least Morrowind had a lot of wind storms and other wind related things.
Not only was the wind today, but it was also on the morrow. Also with fatigue if you ran and jumped very far and were attacked you would go 'Far, then fell'.
It's funny because part of the game has you go through the valley of the wind at dawn or dusk to find the moon-and-star.
The frightening thought is there will be at least one person who reads the comment above & nods along without irony, rather than dismissing it as the equivalent of someone scratching "For a good time, call" on a bathroom stall.
Also nerevarine always sets things off to tomorrow to make time for his power nap
@@richardlionerheart1945 Nerevarine "We start later every tims you interupt my sleep."
One thing I found interesting is that if you equip the "marry me" amulet after completing the companions story, Aela will express interest, but if you cure your lycanthropy first, she won't be and also makes no comment about you having cured it, as far as I know. However, if you initiate the marriage quest with her and then go back and cure lycanthropy, she is fine with it (but makes no comment about it, of course).
You just know
@@Hobobatman1000 lmao
Well you wouldnt be so glad to know that Aela actually wants to go into Hircine's plane because her true love is supposedly there. She will never trully love you if mary her.
Regarding the conversation about Ulfric as a "Stormcloak asset": my interpretation upon discovering this dossier wasn't that Ulfric was a ally, former or otherwise, of the Thalmor. Rather, his existence is useful to the Thalmor, and while Ulfric's goals are separate from whatever the Aldmeri Dominion might be pursuing, the manner in which he is attempting to achieve those goals is very convenient for Thalmor purposes. Not a direct agent, but still a pawn.
But in the same times it is saying that they don't want a Stormcloak victory, so I think they are really just for a prolonged conflict and nothing else. Basicly Ulfric is usefull if he couldn't win or too strong to lose, if the balance broken the Thalmor is in a bad situation.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 Right, but as long as that balance isn't broken (and before the Last Dragonborn shows up, there's no sign that it will be), Ulfric simply being alive helps the Thalmor out.
@@ArchasTL Yes, I agree.
I am actually surprised Pat never guessed that out. That's the first thing that comes up in mind when you read "an asset". Because that takes like three seconds of logical conclusions to get to the point you've made. Pat sometimes is so bad it's just not even funny.
@@kommandantwunder6785 I mean Patrician made this point just doesn't made in this form, when he say that the unresolved Civil War is good for the Thalmor he makeing this exact point.
part 1 9 hours ?
The moment, where Baalgruf straight up refuses to accept declaration of war until you deal with his dragon bullshit is the single most infuriating thing in this game for me
Wait, what? LMAO, that's dumb as hell
Except the axe is given to the player with Ulfric saying:
"If he keeps it, _I'll bide my time._ If he returns it, we go to war"
So it's not Baalgruf refusing a declaration of war, it's Baalgruf taking one of the two options Ulfric is giving him. By the tradition Ulfric invoked, the war doesn't start until Baalgruf returns Ulfric's weapon to him, so can you blame Baalgruf for not starting the war while he's under attack by a mythic beast of mass destruction?
It's a reasonable reaction given the situation, it's Ulfric's issue that he decided to do the tradition instead of just declaring war.
@@the_last_ballad Oh. Then it makes a lot of sense. If Ulfric did put it like that, then, yes, Baalgruf was 100% right to deal with the immediate danger of freaking dragon just outside of his walls first, before fighting with a man, who is willing to wait for him to be ready. I would even say that this was somewhat clever solution for this kind of situation. However, what would happen if you sided with Tullius, anybody knows? He would not agree to join the Legion, I presume, but because of what? If he is so desperate for protection, wouldn't it be beneficial for him to agree to side with general, then?
The rant about how garbage pure magic builds are in Skyrim was nice to hear.
They're not just badly balanced, they're very poorly designed. It was so obvious they didn't expect people to not use a melee weapon of some kind even as a mage.
The only exception is using a cloak spell then using invisibility so you slowwwwwwwly damage everything but they can't see you so they just stand there slowly dying.
@@UsingGorillaLogic The problem that you have to chees the game with magic to not be too weak.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 which is why I said slowwwwwwwly because it was me agreeing magic sucks.
@@UsingGorillaLogic It i not about being fast, the problem that you have to chees it, if it was fast it would be bad. As Patricion said, the magic too weak or too strong nothing in between.
The only time i had fun with a pure mage build was when i installed mods that
-increased the number of equippable rings
- added spells that enabled me to turn full soulstones into empty ones of the next higher tier
- changed charging spell animations
- had fully functional dragon wings.
- added time dilation spells.
And changed that wards worked like shields in addition to reducing magic damage.
On that note about spellcrafting, you can absolutely have magical moments that arise from being able to create your own "less mysterious" spells. My example is more to do with enchantments, because I only ever messed around with that, but spellcrafting has enough similarities that it's basically relevant enough:
In Oblivion, I wanted to make the best two-handed mace I could possibly muster up, having specced into magic and two-handing respectively. In my head, I wanted the weapon itself to passively improve my capabilities, so as to let me upgrade my armour separately for different purposes. I spent ages tracking down materials (this was before I used the internet a whole bunch, my Xbox copy got a lot of love), and put a Fortify Strength attribute on my weapon. I thought it was a weapon-specific quirk that it said "Apply X for Y seconds", like "hit the enemy to activate your weapon", similar to elemental enchantments. After hours of inefficient, exciting work to make this Strong Glass Warhammer, I eagerly hit the next enemy I could find with it, and my damage output seemed to be lacking.
I only realised a few moments later that I had just created a weapon that made the enemies I was bludgeoning to death, incredibly strong, enough to start one-shotting me as regular enemies. I was so peeved, at the time, but I look at that moment with complete fondness. If the game didn't have custom enchantments, I couldn't have had such a strong impression of weapon development. It's the worst, and best thing I've done in Oblivion. I can't believe that no-one had a similarly interesting experience with spellcrafting.
I made a paralysis spell that was set to self and not on touch... I imagine the bandits laughed before stabbing me through
Fuck I need to play Oblivion don't I
Oh I have one, I made a fire spell that paralysed and burnt an npc but also healed them more than the damage it dealt. So they'd be laying there in burning agony, unable to move yet unable to die, forced to experience this torture for the maximum time spellcrafting allowed. I also added a bit of light as a way of making an example out of them for the other npcs. Look upon my horrifying light, see as your friend can do nothing but lay there in torment.
This man has worked so hard on this video and just use it as something to fall asleep to. I feel bad
Just making a comment to bookmark quips and minor sections
3:11:18 Lol
3:29:30 Perks
3:45:45 Faction Ranks
3:46:40 Magic
4:56:35 Leveling
5:23:30 College continues
5:30:30 Books
6:24:35 Alchemy and Enchanting
6:43:40 Dark Brotherhood
7:04:59
7:07:50
5:45:45 best moment in the video
Something about seeing "A Quick Retrospective" for a 9 hour video that is just part 1 of a two part series, for some reason fills my heart with immeasurable amount of joy.
You described my feelings about the magic system in Skyrim perfectly. You also captured my abject rage as a mage player and how the game is actively antagonistic to the play style. Legitimately, if there's anything that needs massive attention in TES 6 its magic. The system was done so dirty, so clearly lacking in attention or care in Skyrim, that they need some dedicated system designers whose entire job is nothing BUT the magic system and its integration from low to high levels being fun and not horrible tedium.
That’s just the game as a whole imo. I’m not sure the combat is even the problem, as much as I hate it. The game has absolutely no pacing of any sort, it’s just a bunch of half baked systems, probably worked on by teams that aren’t communicating with each other.
I've always hated when people say "it doesn't have to be realistic, its a fantasy game!". The ideas that skill increase leads to leveling increase makes logical sense. You get better at something, you get stronger. You work out at the gym and your stamina goes up. But the argument that "oh there's dragons and cat people, it doesn't have to be realistic" is very flawed. This world may not be realistic to our world, but it abides by the same basic rules of life. Like you said, people need to eat breathe and have shelter. Even with fantastical elements, there are still logical rules to how this universe works. I know this is basically the point you made in the video, but I am so glad to see someone else has this view as well. Thought I was going crazy with all of the people telling me that this game didn't have to be realistic. Also amazing video :)
so no bat man and robin lol,,its make believe like gta,,just enjoy,,
It's about communication. If you share absolutely nothing with your audience, there is no way you can convey anything. Having more 'realism' piggybacks off our common language as humans. Having a certain button-layout uses the langauge gamers have formed.
But you don't strictly need this (see Egoraptor's description of Megaman X) as long as you set stakes and make clear your intention as the designer. That allows you to do something like, say, tetris, katamari damacy, or many ludonarratively dissonant puzzle games.
This! Suspension of disbelief is a big thing, and if you break that then people won't care about your story since it stops making sense.
What's ironic is that we even have "fantasy" as a genre is BECAUSE of realism.
The whole point of literaly fantasy is to write about things that cannot exists, just like they could exists. To apply literaly realism (to some degree at least) to something that is impossible to happen in real world. This is the reason why we aren't talking much about fantasy genre before 19th and 20th century, only about fairy tales or legends or... just normal stories that has stuff that we today would think of as impossible, but people there did not consider them as such.
Fantasy can only exists if you know something is impossible and you try to treat it in fiction as possible anyways, with all the consequences of that.
Fantasy without a realism is (in worst case scenario) a description of a fever dream where everything can happen randomly without any logic, or (in best case scenario) a modern fairy tale in which things are happening, but consequences of them are not explored and events are either completly taken at the face value or a symbolizing of something outside the story.
It's been over a decade and people will stay claw for anything that makes Skyrim look bad. Old game good and quirky, new game bad and not realistic
My boxer build Kajiit marched in and suplexed Grelod the Kind in front of all the children, then stood their teabagging her as they all cheered. 0 repercussions from the law
For the Dark Brotherhood quest where you kill the vampire couple, the cabin a bit away from the house contains skulls and bloody rags, showing they've been killing travelers
if you talk to the wife she very not-so-subtly hints that too:
"Other people just make things complex. Out here, Hern and I can get everything we need from the occasional traveler."
Me when bare bones world building
@@puppppppppppuuuuu6205 BYEEEE 💀
At least it feels more alive than Morrowind. I love Morrowind but damn it feels so dead static npcs, walls of text (I don’t mind too much but it can be a bit overwhelming sometimes), while Morrowind does a lot of things right I feel less immersed cause there’s usually only a handful of interesting things to see. Compare that to Oblivion when you randomly come across an oblivion gate or in Skyrim when you see that gigantic distant ruin and people in the town talk about it
@@brycekrispiez714 Yeah, the best course of action would have been to have all the good things integrated from all games, but I'm sure there is a myriad of things against that idea, seeing how massive these games tend to be; although Obsidian managed to do great world building in 18 months, so it is hard to say how much is bad management and incompetence.
This is a passion project and one that takes a lot of time, note taking, consideration, balancing of objectivity and subjectivity, and all that stuff to create. Thank you for this as this will provide me many hours of entertainment and further thinking for my favorite role playing series.
Fell asleep and woke up and he still yapping 😂
I honestly used bound weapons alot. They don't take up any inventory space, and the damage wasn't too bad once it was fully upgraded. It was also a great way to level up fast because you could level up conuration and something like one handed at the same time
Dual wield bound swords is uberfast levels
Yeah, dismissal of bound weapons seems weird. Sure the options wasn't much but it scaled a little better than most combat magic thanks to also getting weapon perks, and you even could summon them silently with the Illusion Silent Magic perk, allowing you to take advantage of your light robes to sneak or (shock and horror) conjuration sneak archer
Bound weapons are deadric level. Bound bow is actually one of the best bows in the game if you don't heavily invest in smithing.
Yeah I did a build where my only weapons were conjured, it was a ton of fun.
This is I think my 4th rewatch of this video (and it’s part 2) and I realized this is the perfect video to fall asleep to, instead of just using it as background noise.
Well he does always say to wake up at the end.
I'm chronically ill so I'm always stuck in bed. These long form videos have been such a comfort. Thanks!
What I like about your retrospecives the most is that you actually have a more than basic understanding of the lore and setting of the games. You are in fact quite knowledgeable and did your research. Loved your explaination for the civil war.
I hate how Thalmor is shown to be comically evil, yet another mustache-twirling evil guy. Ancano decided to pull out the school shooter and ponder the orb for evil reasons that are evil. During the quest in the embassy, you have a dungeon with tortured prisoners who are already prisoners begging for mercy and getting mace to the face for that after he already said everything. Bethesda just railroads you into making sure you hate them- just so by chance, you won't feel bad for them. It's the same case as with Gretel the Kind where the first thing you see is her yelling at kids and telling them nobody wants them.
"Do you hate her player? Do you hate her enough that you won't feel bad for killing her?" You're not allowed to choose how you feel, instead, the game grabs you by your balls and tells you how to feel, making me in the end feel indifferent. Not to mention this characterization makes Thalmor extremely boring unless you read every note to find the interesting part and how they work from shadow.
Unfortunately, they're the most obvious evil guys in Tamlier, just so players won't miss the note he should hate them. Makes me question how anyone falls for their manipulation
"But why?"
"Nyehhhh because I'm Thalmorrrr"
Almost every single interaction with Thalmor boils down to this. There's no Caesar who will give you a reasoned explanation on their attitude and behavior. They're just evil elf Nazis because of course they are.
(Yeah ik there's lore about them destroying humanity to restore their own immortality or something. Skyrim does not try to convey this so I don't care)
Frankly the one Thalmor npc who doesn't kill you on sight and can be interacted with more than just spouting a line of dialogue (the one who gives u a side quest in Markarth) treats you with more courtesy and less racism than most Nords after you help him. The fact you're even allowed to aid him at all (and the fact he doesn't screw you over later) is bizarre given how one note his buddies are.
@@blackosprey2219 And the thing that sucks is that if you played ESO you'll probably end up liking the Aldmeri Dominion in there
@@thegamerfe8751they're great.... As long as you ignore the genocide
The thalmor are direct comparison to AIpac and is real
I think its real funny that you need to kill Grelod in order to destroy the Dark Brotherhood. The one faction with a choice still requires you to kill a technically innocent old woman.
The madman stuck to the ratio. I'm ecstatic to watch this multiple times at work like I do with your other works. Such high quality and detail, looking forward to that 34 hour Elder Scrolls VI quick retrospective *fingers crossed*.
So, if you’re a werewolf with a corrupted soul AND you’ve pledged your soul to Nocturnal, and then you get soul trapped and sent to Soul Cairne, who gets your soul?
Soul Cairn > Hunting Grounds > Evergloam.
Nocturnal is a contract, the breaking of which will definitely see your soul punished in some way.
Hircine's gift is a part of your blood, your soul, a much more immediate claim.
Getting soul trapped intercepts your soul before it can go to either.
I think.
@@evolutionground8946 that makes sense.
But also, I feel like Daedra, being as contractual as they are, would pay a heavy claim on the souls they’ve been promised.
Honestly, the concept of being soul trapped sounds horrible.
Only reason I assume that werewolves have increased carry weight is because of the Steed stone or the perks that make your armor weigh nothing when worn. I'm sure there were moments during playtesting where someone turned into a werewolf and was suddenly encumbered after their transformation.
Edit: Also, for my favorite first person melee combat system, it's gonna be the Tide series. Vermintide 2 has some fairly mild RPG mechanics (gear stats, perk-style talents, etc.) and some weighty combat where just about every weapon feels good in some way. Even weapons that are ostensibly similar between characters usually have some kind of difference, either in the moveset or affected by the differences in character abilities. Victor's flail has similar properties to Sienna's flail, like ignoring shields and being able to hold a power attack indefinitely, but Sienna is a fire wizard and her flail is enchanted so every time she does an overhead with it and hits an enemy, they explode, lighting nearby enemies on fire and staggering them with the shockwave, making it good for crowd control or potentially stun-locking a beefy foe. Victor's flail feels more suited to actually killing things in a timely manner and has a slightly different moveset.
@Patrician I've been watching your Elder Scrolls Retrospective videos multiple times now and noticed that you missed something. A problem involving Dawnguard and the Thieves Guild. In the Thieves Guild, you have to get Gallus's journal translated and the only way to do that is getting a rubbing from Calcemo's tablet because no one else can translate Falmer. However, if you go to the Vale to get Auriel's Bow, you will find ancient Falmer books that you can take to the Mage College Librarian and he can translate them.
If patrician didn’t Catch it Bethesda never stood a chance
It's worth mentioning that Brunwulf Free-Winter in Windhelm does bring to light Ulfric's apathy and unwillingness to help the Dunmer, and non-Nords in general.
It's also worth mentioning the obvious segregation of Dunmer to a ghetto and the outright exclusion of Argonians from the city, with harm systemically offloaded to basically any non-humans. That shit isn't the mark of an anti-racist jarl. I can only imagine Patrician didn't notice, but a good chunk of the arguments he made for Ulfric being good, actually, fell on the wrong side of ethnonationalist. It's an easy argumentative blunder when talking about fantasy races, given how bad the fantasy genre is on that generally, but it still isn't a good argument.
I mean, I also wouldn't help a race of people that currently uses nord and argonian slaves, why would a nord help slavers who abuse nords
As for every other race I can also see some things,
Argonians: long ago right before the dark elves invaded them they invaded everyone else, they were a ruthless wave of salt the earth types, just because they drank too much tree sap and their ego got massive, immediately after they got their shit rocked and enslaved by the dunmer
Khajites: I really gotta explain why? No one likes them because they are always screwing people over, let's not forget they starved a redguard island paying pirates to specifically target their food and then at the brink the khajites came in and sold them food for ownership of the island, after they accepted they killed everyone on their new island, and no one could bitch because they had the paperwork and the empire refused to go against paperwork
Wood elves: no reason to hate them, let's just kill ulfric, don't hurt my woody bois
@@Lesbian.Monster.Hunter That's exactly the racial essentialism I have absolutely no patience for.
@@nucleargandhi2709 so you accept slavery, rape, genocide, immoral market manipulation, and backstabbing as good things? Wow nazi is a nazi
Wait wait wait, why did Patrician complain that Camelworks is "making fluff for watch time" and "doesn't understand why he would put that much effort into making it?" Does he genuinely not understand that theorizing about stuff like this can be *fun?* This is a genuine question for PatricianTV, if somehow he is still reading comments on this video.
There's only so much of yourself you can fit up your own butt before your butt has to go.
Me as a dual wielding warrior, nodding in agreement to the 2 hour magic rant.
After stumbling upon your other Elder Scrolls Retro videos and digesting them I have been waiting patiently for months now, always having a nervous itch when I open the You Tube...now its here, the Skyrim Retro! And its 20 hours in total! Thank you so much
Savos Aren, at least in part, is a stand in for Todd Howard. You have to go behind his back to get work done. Think of the Ants on a Stump guy who had to say he didn't put much time or effort into it because it wasn't sanctioned work. That Will Shen GDC talk sure has added a lot of perspective.
Todd Howard, based on interviews and information come out in the light of Starfield, is not someone you have to “go behind the back of” to get things done. The culture in the studio is that everyone has the freedom to put in their own ideas. Aren is a commentary on that style of incompetent academic leader, probably based some professor whatever writer had in college some time.
You're a very talented creator. 3 hours in and I'm anything but bored. Very well done indeed.
Regarding the Dark Brotherhood's Initiation: Given that the reward Aventus gives you is a family heirloom plate worth about 50 gold, Astrid likely decided the job was not worth the effort, since Dark Brotherhood contracts run in excess of 1000 septims, which an orphan in Windhelm would not be likely to possess. And then some random person does the job and now she has to deal with them or take another hit on their already collapsed reputation.
You're writing for them way too hard, there wasn't that level of thought put in.
@@virn333 You don't know that
@@meciocio bruh they PROUDLY admit their game design. Look up the fallout 4 dialogue presentation
@@virn333 and your point is?
@@meciocio my point Is when coming up with that quest, they maybe wrote one line of content in storyboarding for it. They talk about this openly. They don't think deeply about their stories. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, I enjoy ocarina of time too
I really resonate with the magic discussion, my 2 favorite play styles are sword and board battle mage and pure mage - I was up in arms for all of 10 seconds when you laid into magic but immediately remembered I have to have 12+ gameplay and progression overhauls just to make magic worth while
i like how angry you are about magic. i wanted to like magic, atleast mods made it more even
I wonder if Meridia asked the spider to go get dawnbringer, and the poor beast just got scared of the screeching rock thing and stuffed it in a web sack. 57:12
Nothing like a 20 hour quick retrospective.
I watched this because it totals 20 hours and I was like "wtf can he possibly say bout Skyrim for 20 hours" I'm only 40 minutes in, but I'm totally into it so far, I've played the hell out of Skyrim, so I'm not really learning anything new, but I really appreciate you're thoroughness and attention to detail. An incredibly impressive work, congratulations.
I would like to thank Patrician for both ruining Skyrim for me and inspiring me to do yet another playthrough of the game.
Hey, at least the Companions reveal the con right away; the Thieves Guild doesn't shaft you with an out of character choice until near the end.
54:00 it's so funny that there is a character named Farkas that is a werewolf. It just means wolf in Hungarian. This is some J. K. Rowling level naming convention.
Some people are just straight up named hunter I dont see what so funny.
Elden Ring did the same with Blaidd. Wolf the halfwolf. This naming convention isn't anything unique to Rowling.
@@12halo3 It's a joke about Rowling naming her werewolf Remus(roman myth guy raised by the mythological wolf Lupa) Lupin(also means wolf), among other "object association" type names(Kingsley Shacklebolt for instance).
And yes, people sometimes name their children after qualities they wish them to have(Grace, Hunter, Charity), or were named after what they do when people were [name] the [profession] and then we axed "the"(Hunter, Smith, Tanner). But they named twin werewolfs "wolf" in separate languages. If you're going to do thematic naming, go the Skoirn route of having their name tie into their behavior or hint at their end(he was named "feeble", but he was constantly proving that he wasn't, til he fell in battle alone), not the Lightlark route of just naming them what they are but in another language (main character: is ruler of nature/earth magic people. Name? Isla Crown. Other notable characters: blond sun king with the power to cost objects in gold: Oro(gold in Spanish. Most of them are in Spanish). King of the sky people: Azure. King of the curse wielding night people: Grim. Queen of the Star people: Aurora/Celestina(same person, but semi-immortal shapeshifter). Queen of the Moon people: Cloe (yeah, kind of out of left field there isn't it?). And none of them have last names.
Anyway, mocking Lightlark aside, picking a wolf related name for a werewolf is just bleh.
@@blackosprey2219 to be fair, Wolf the halfwolf has nothing on [Man raised by a Wolf] Wolf the manwolf.
Also it's not the only "object association" type name in the series, nor is that type of naming convention good wherever it pops up.
Thank you for your long videos, they are very informative and helps me through my time at work.
Fuck yes I am so stoked. I've watched the Morrowind and Oblivion videos 4 times and use them to go to sleep. These are gold.
Your comment about this being as long as two work shifts just got me excited for Skyrim analysis for at least three days between customers.
Dudes doing everything in his power to make this video longer than 10 mins /j. Seriously though, this is amazing
Worth pointing out the charcoal/paper puzzle in Calcelmo's room is quite easy to just blunder through - if you just blindly pick up everything on the table, go to the slate and hit copy. I think it was only on my third run I happened not to pick up the charcoal and realized I wasn't able to copy the slate.
In your argument about the civil war and why the Stormcloaks are not racist, I think you completely overlooked the point that another major reason for the Stormcloaks to win back Skyrim's freedom is to make Skyrim "for the Nords" again. And while yes this means ejecting the Empire from the seat of power, there is a big focus as well on the fact that they want to eject non-Nords from Skyrim, and return it back to being "for the Nords". This is stated overtly by the game multiple times. So I'm not sure why you just didn't mention it. But then maybe you do later or in part 2 as a way of catching me out for commenting before finishing the entire video. Otherwise it seems like a calculated omission :/
Also odd that one of his examples of Tullius’s “racism” is just a blanket statement about how they’ll have Ulfric’s head on a pike (no shit he started the rebellion) and another is him saying he doesn’t understand the Nords but he’s grown to respect them. Almost like he missed the really obvious characterization of Tullius as a general who’s in a foreign land and doesn’t understand the customs or culture, but then moves past his ignorance by the end of the quest-line. It’s pretty on the nose, so it feels a bit disingenuous.
I keep rewatching that Civil War part because its genuinely the best "defence" (relatively speaking) of the Stormcloaks as a Civil War faction.
It made me really happy not because I also support the stormcloaks, but because those were the reasons I noticed but no one else did.
Definitely agree about magic in general in this game. Magic was my first build in Skyrim and I had most of the same thoughts.
That said, re: perks. I never got the expectation a mage character was supposed to be an expert in every school... The mage NPCs in game are always experts in one school. I usually pick like two schools to be an "expert" in, while picking a few perks from the others. Then this is offset by not needing an armor skill and/or blocking skill. When calculating the perks a warrior "needs", you wouldn't include 1H, 2H, blocking and archery for example. You're supposed to pick a couple. I never expected mages to be able to put a lot of perks in every school of magic.
Concerning Titus Mede taking credit for the victory of the battle of the Ring Road: He did not stay away from the battle because he was a coward, but rather because he was too wounded to participate, but the troops still needed the Emperor to lead them for better troop morale, which is why someone else disguised themself as the Emperor to lead the troops.
I just refuse to accept that this is real. I really really really like Titus Mede II and I have NO intention of canonising Legends in my own mind
ACHILLES WAS ACTUALLY PATROCLEUS THE WHOLE TIME?!
About the combat suggestion:
I'm not sure how you'd implement a Mount & Blade type directional system for console. While the system works well the quick movements of a mouse, I imagine doing the same with a slow analog stick would be pretty stodgy. I think a better option (also from Mount & Blade) is tying attack and parrying speed to a skill. This means that higher level enemies will be able to physically outpace lower level players. This provides a both a physical challenge in fighting higher level enemies and a meaningful incentive to investing in a characters combat skill. Some of the most tense moments in Mount & Blade come from fighting an enemy who can move faster than you and desperately trying to find an opportunity to fight back.
This also makes specific weapon choice more impactful. Choosing a slower weapon doesn't just make your DPS calculation is slightly different, it effects moment to moment combat. If you're playing a tank character, you may choose a mace because you are willing to open yourself up to more damage in order to inflict more damage yourself. If you're playing a rouge type character, you may pick a sword to be able to deflect more attacks. You could even make holding a normal weapon slow you down slightly, and provide an incentive to actually fighting with a dagger or your fists. However, I wonder how well such a system could incorporate fighting non-human monsters, like trolls or dragons.
Having played Mount & Blade on console before, the directional attacks actually work very well, all a player has to do is flick the right stick in the direction they want to attack or block and it won't even pull them off target
Patrician sort of makes it obvious that he doesn't care about console so much.
Kingdom come, I remember, does the combat very well, as you gain experience with the weapon you're using and learn how to strike better. also the amount of combos you can do in that game is just on another level
except you cant do a single combo in KC
@@user-sz9vt4sd7y yeah good luck not getting master striked
@@fargoth391 get good
@@BreakEm22 doesn't matter how good your skill levels are, there is always a chance to get master striked.
@@fargoth391 you're just bad
I will enjoy this far more then I think is theoretically possible 😂
The legendary Pat Rant about Magic in Skyrim begins here : 5:08:20
I love this part the most.
7:34:10 the letter Astrid is refering to is the coded letter from Motierre, not the letters from the random encounter assassins met in the game prior to joining/destroing the brotherhood.
I think he was juxtaposing Astrid calling his player “sloppy” for reading a letter… When she apparently can’t keep track of an open hit she took out on the person standing in front of her. “Sloppy” indeed.
Just finished your conjurate weapon section. An easy fix I thought about for not falling behind with the damage of the weapon (and the selection of what type of weapon), is to add a conjuration table specific to conjuration that would allow you to "give over" or "destroy" the selected weapon you want to the planes of Oblivion (assuming that's where conjuration happens). Maybe also with that conjuration table, the ability to modify your conjurations, including summons
That is indeed where conjured weapons come from, they're daedra that the player forces to take the shape of a weapon. It'd be cool if at early levels you were forced to use whatever weapon the daedra felt like being with the option to change it to a different but weaker version of another weapon of your choice. Then as you get more experience in commanding daedra, you can force them to change form more easily and the restrictions fall away. Maybe they could deal bonus damage to daedra as a way to make using them more attractive.
Dread Delusion releases in a few days. It looks very much like it will scratch that Morrowind itch, at least in part.
Small studio, and it’s not directly trying to be Morrowind, has other influences, etc etc, but I’m really hopeful
Thoughts now that it has been out for a little bit? And there are at least 10 articles just calling it a "modern Morrowind"?
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 The writing in the game is pretty awful. A lot of it feels ripped straight from a reddit post. Comparing it to Morrowind is an insult to Morrowind.
@@honeybadger6275 "Do you want to kill 10 puppies, or just 1 puppy? Think carefully about this complex moral choice!"
On level locked spell effects, in a game with leveled enemies... their effectiveness could be relative to your level. As you level up your spellcasting, you should get more good tools, not fewer.
People often forget vanilla skyrim is largely mediocre, but it provided such an incredible base/tools for modders to expand upon. I've put thousands of hours into skyrim due to the moddability. I would have long abandoned skyrim altogether without mods.
I only and always played vanilla skyrim on my ps3 and i keep replay it without any problem. Mediocre do you say? Wow. We have different tastes for sure
@Gyrfalcon312 legendarywith the dlc
you were right about commenting your place in the video. Watched for a good 1.5 hrs and now I've seen only 15 min. Great video so far.
I know I'm late... but about the combat.
I think a RPG that made a good combat style with progression as player and character was Gothic (1+2). After you invested in your skill, you could do better combats and felt stronger as a character. I know the combat mechanics were not perfect, but I like the idea of a character first being clumsy and at the end someone who really knows how to swing his weapon.
I hate the whole argument of "I don't wanna hear 'it's more realistic" because it's a fantasy game."
Oh, my bad. Should we remove gravity then? Basic physics don't need to exist, after all, it's a game about magic dragons.
Speaking of dragons, let's get rid of their wings. They don't need them to fly. No gravity, remember? They can just hover above the battlefield unsuspended.
It's just more proof that consumers don't know what they want and never ask deep questions about the media they consume.
I mean chinese dragons do be like that, holy smokes, you just came up with an amazing idea actually :D
Would totally buy gravityless dragon bashing game
8:23:40 how brave of them to come out against fictional characters fictional racism, they're the real heroes
Brother , I watch all the way through.
I appreciate your long video format and your well thought out opinions.
Thanks.
Once? You're a lightweight.
@@spartanq7781 🤣
I love how the Riften Thieves' Guild discuss all their plans directly under the open well in the middle of the town market and they wonder why they have bad luck. Then they hire a mute and things suddenly turn around.
🤣
Thats... enlightening 😄
I never thought of it like that 😂
lol, great way of putting it.
_cut to clever girl scene_
I can't tell if 'mute' is a joke or not tbh
I liked the part where he complained about magic for 2 hours, very relatable
Seriously. Every time I try to do a mage play through I get bored like halfway through and switch to something else.
@@gabelachenman408 Stealth archer 60% of the time every time.
@@gabelachenman408 i recommend a pure mage playthrough with the Vokrii + Odin mod combo. First time i actually felt like a proper mage in Skyrim
@@MrClubfoot90 i start out a conjurer and somehow end up a stealth archer with a bound bow..every time
As a mage player in every fantasy game, I second all that rant.
Farkas murders the main character in cold blood and walks away slowly while saying: “You look strong. Come to Jorrvaskr and be a companion”
Ah yes, the peak Skyrim experience.
To be fair, if you can get back up to get to jorrvaskr and join the companions after being bludgeoned to death, you're probably reasonably cut out for a warrior faction
@@voratheexplorer6442 They should hire more necromancers
No sign of em
I think my peak skyrim moment was when I killed a bunch of thugs, pull the note to see who I pissed off, and see the name "Drayden" or some shit.
I have no idea who that is, so I google it. Whatever the name is nothing comes up. So I'm sitting there confused as to who the fuck I need to murder to prove a point, until I go to level up.
I was "Drayden" it was me. I hired the hitmen to kill myself. I literally have no idea what I did to trigger this, I'm assuming it was a Mod issue, but that's the most Skyrim thing I've had happen.
@@getthegoons So your Tyler Durden did it, just so someone could come kick the shit out of him?
I love these very quick video's. Im surprised more short style videos like this aren't more popular
I think it’s because most just don’t know how to explain things so expediently
The Way We Look at Things
You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times.
-2 Timothy 3:1
Someone said, “I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
A Christian worldview will affect the way that we see everything. And why is this important? Because we are living in the last days. Jesus Christ is coming back again. And if ever there was a time when we need to know our Bibles and have a close walk with Christ, the time is now.
Describing the end times, the apostle Paul said, “In the last days there will be very difficult times. For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control”
(2 Timothy 3:1-3)
Paul went on to say, “They will be cruel and hate what is good. They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly”
(verses 3-5)
Is that not an accurate assessment of the times in which we are living? The United States has never been more spiritual yet more immoral. We throw the word spiritual around a lot. But do we know what it means?
We live in an age when we can write our own apps and customize our home screens. We can keep the stuff we like and throw out the things we don’t. And we carry that thinking into other aspects of our lives. The result is something called moral relativism.
Moral relativism is the belief that there are no absolutes. There is no right or wrong. Moral relativism teaches that we are all products of the evolutionary process and not made by a Creator God. There is no devil. There is no good or evil. And there is no plan or purpose for our lives.
Moral relativism also teaches that we are all basically good, and if we happen to go bad, then it’s because we’re simply products of our environment. It teaches that we make our own truth.
For instance, if you believe in a God of love, forgiveness, and mercy, you can keep that. But if you’re offended by the biblical teaching of a God of holiness, righteousness, and judgment, you can delete that. It works out perfectly. Or so it seems.
Moral relativism may sound fine in theory. But what if we were to put it into practice? Will a god of our own making be able to save us in the final day? Of course not.
A biblical worldview says there is a God as revealed in the Bible, and the Bible alone is the authority and source of that belief. It is not what we feel or what is popular, acceptable, or perceived as cool. It is what the Bible says.
Average attention span is 30 seconds, if we’re lucky. Good thing this is the shortest vid yet.
Idk what you’re talking about?!? It’s literally 9 hours!!!
@@Justausername10 r/woosh
I got one for you. Doing the Thieves Guild as a Vampire. Which are RESISTANT TO POISON. So paralysis poison SHOULD HAVE HAD NO EFFECT. X_X
But it's a *special* poison.
*waves hand vaguely*
"It's symbolic. I wouldn't expect you to understand."
@@drago3036"Couched in mythic allegory and symbolism."
The hired thugs trying to kill you can lead to some unintentional silliness. My first encounter with them was leaving Solitude. I was very surprised and it was a tough fight because I was on the highest difficulty (before a patch added a newer highest difficulty).
I then read the contract and learned it was the innkeeper I had stayed with. I stole some small consumable (I think a potion?) from my room. I had basically done the equivalent of not paying for those overpriced snacks that some hotels offer, and the innkeep responded with attempted murder.
You stole the really special hotel soap.
I thought Pat said that they don't sell thuggs for stealing, only for killing the people they know??
I vaguely remember doing something similar, I think I misclicked on something and accidentally stole a flower or whatever from a shelf, I dropped it hoping to not get a bounty and the thugs showed up as soon as I left the building. Word gets around fast for a place with no internet.
I've had thugs hired to come after me multiple times by children, which is just silly.
No it's actually worse because the letter no matter who hires the thugs States that they don't have to kill you but they don't care either way
Honestly, after all these years, I'm waiting for TES VI only because i hope patritian will make that 40-hour sprint review
same
i don't care about the game and won't even pirate it
but i'm waiting to see if it comes out at all so patrician tv can make a 30 hour any % speedrun analysis
It will be his magnum opus
That review will come out 6 years after the game launches tho
me want Oblivion remaster
@@AChunkyDog skyblivion is releasing next year
*Looks at video length - 9 hours*
"Holy shit"
*Looks at title - Act 1*
"HOLY SHIT"
I know right
"Act 1"
Seeing Meridia's Beacon in that Egg Sac had me crying of laughter for a solid 2 minutes
Seeing "Meridia's Beacon" in the loot window made me physically cringe in anticipation of the dialogue
Can’t believe I caught that as well in this 9 hour video. Is that where you’d normally find that?
@@austinbevis4266 it’s a random drop, I’ve found it in every odd nook and cranny from random chests in the wild to inside dungeon chests. It’s like a clingy ex who won’t get over the fact you dumped them.
*a nEw hAnD tOuChEs tHe bEaCon!*
@@pablocruz5613 oh lol, I always remember finding it on a pedestal. Maybe that’s where you end up placing it
Love the fact that the Auger of Dunlane is just a huge scaled up Magelight
magelighthouse
I hate the fact that you can't skip his useless dialogue. He really just says a bunch of nothingness.
@@azuragoddess"But duuuude the lore!1!"
I like to think that casting magelight is casting a mini auger
@@nagger8216"Mmmm yes, a bounty of soul energy from the greaaaat collaaaapppse."
it's crazy how urag is like one of the most memorable characters from skyrim simply because "the arcaneum might as well be my own little plane of oblivion" is just such a character establishing line
It's a line I stole while working as school librarian in high school XD
It's amazing how effective just a sliver of good writing can be
Dont remember him
The fact is I haven't played skyrim in months, and I know urag instantly lol
@@pquonbbx the line isnt even that insanely good but the fact that most of skyrim's dialogue is extremely boring makes the times where it's kind of good stick out so much more
1:13:20 It reminds me of a Tumblr post that someone made a while ago, where they pointed out that Bethesda's "environmental storytelling" is usually just placing a dead body somewhere and placing a note on it that's like, "Oh, no, I've been murdered!"
LMAOOOOOOOO
"i sure hope i don't become a skeleton :("
Reminds me of the one cave that drained the life energy of anyone who was in it, and some guy kept a journal with entries spanning several days right up to the point of death about he was starving, thirsty and so weak he couldn't lift his arm... yet he was writing that in perfect handwriting at the same time, instead of just crawling his dumbass out of the cave to fucking survive and escape it's draining touch.
A better example would be the Wooden Mask you can find at the Dragon Priest summit, its subtlely implied that the Thalmor were after the Khonarik Golden Dragon Priest Mask and made a time-travelling mask to find it, but his bodyguards killed him in suspicion.
@@lightningkitten that made me laugh harder than it should have
Shamus Young had a great point about The Companions. Imagine you are walking down a sidewalk, maybe heading to the bank or something, and there is a road crew doing work on the road. You pass just as they finish and one of the workers runs up to you and says, "some help you were." It's the exact same thing with Aela and the giant fight at the beginning of the game. It's so ridiculous. Bethesda was so terrified of the player missing the Companions in tiny Whiterun that they shoved the faction into the player's face in the dumbest way possible. Then they did it again with the Thieves Guild.
My favorite thing about that is how I got lost the first time I played and ended up in a dungeon before I made it to whiterun. I completely missed the encounter with the companions and the giant. As much as they tried to make it unavoidable, I missed it without even knowing it was a thing until my next character.
Yet this never happens for the College of Winterhold. Sure, every court mage will tell you to check it out, but it is in no way forced on the character like the other 2 main factions. Thanks Todd
I agree but it’s waaaaayyyyy dumber in the case of the thieves guild. Like… dude… it’s the THIEVES guild. Doesn’t it seem like the worst conceivable idea to literally walk up to random strangers and invite them to join your clandestine, secret, underground criminal organization? Like imagine walking into a pizza parlor in New York and some dude is like “ayy you look like you would be really good at intimidations rackets”
Right imagine going into the sewers finding a bar with the bartender that asked you to get an item that was "stolen" and after that gets introduced to a friend that needs help without much detail thrown in just to meet him at a place at a time and you have to get back an item that was stolen from him after which you are told to go to a 3rd place where you are then formerly introduced to the thieves guild with the first two being tests about willingness to break into buildings and second that you can follow orders and instructions and show skill.
Rather being walked up on in the town market announcing that I'm here to steal
Happy to see that Shamus Young is still getting some love. He was such a great writer.
The part about the dark brotherhood and Nazir's "less important" contracts didn't even need to be so self-damaging with it's presentation and insistence on being less important. Just establish that Nazir is efficient and Astrid is creative, so the contracts that have weird requirements (Baenlin and the mounted head, Francois Motierre, to draw from oblivion examples) go through Astrid as she pieces together how to satisfy the client's unique requests, while the simple "Just kill him I don't care how it gets done" go through Nazir.
His line should be something more like "I'll admit, my contracts aren't as glamorous or as exciting as Astrid's. I handle the simpler jobs that come through. There's plenty of work to be had here, but don't expect a grand elaborate heist." His established attitude even works with the idea that he handles simple and efficient contracts, while his teasing jabs and jokes can be how he copes with how boring the jobs tend to be.
The state of the Winterhold College really bugs me. I wanted so bad to roleplay a magic student and not two lessons in I was archmage.
Play Oblivion.
Thanks to some finicky looseness on the definition of what "casting a spell" means, you can become Archmage without having ever cast a spell yourself.
The least educated Dragonborn can just pick up a couple staves or scrolls and be hailed as the new Archmage.
Despite how fun to play Skyrim is this game never deserved 10/10
@@TheFloodFourm is Oblivion that much better?
@@731freeman I wouldn't call the Oblivion Mage's Guild questline "good" exactly, but it at the very least actually tries to replicate what being a student of magic would be like. In fact that's what most of the questlines in Oblivion are: lacking in objective quality, but you can at least tell there was real effort put in and there ARE good ideas there. Unlike Skyrim's quests.
Best part about the Companions quest line is that you can tell off Aela when you first meet her after the giant fight and she'll still invite you to join them anyways.
She's the original Preston Garvey, no matter what you say she still adds the quest to your journal.
I stole the gate key for whiterun off her so i could get in after telling the guard to go to hell.
"there are no priests of nocturnal"
"what if the other priests find out we're not really priests?"
accidentally setting up a hilarious situation where every priest of nocturnal is afraid that the other priests will find out they're not really a priest of nocturnal
That's got to be a Family Guy skit somewhere
That's the plot of the man who was Thursday
I love how most elder scrolls fans are really passionate about the series while only really liking 1 game outta all of them
Welcome to being a fan of literally any series
Best part of this is I don’t even know which game you’re talking about. My best guess is Morrowind but honestly Oblivion AND Skyrim are both also valid lmfao
@@songbird6414 Don't forget Daggerfall and Arena, though of the two Daggerfall is definitely better.
and that game is ESO
it all depends on which is your first. oldheads love 2 and 3 while newf..s love 4 and 5. idk anyone who actually played 1 when it came out so uhh that i just wont count. its not like soulsborne where it just becomes preference to which iteration of the same formula you like the most. its like asking a new yorker which style of pizza is their favorite, of course theyre gonna pick new york style.
My first contact with the companions:
1.Get yelled at for not helping
2.Enter Building with 2 people fighting
3.Use my heal spell which seemed to bug them out, they draw their weapon and go on a rampage
4.About 5 people are now dead
It just works.
worst questline imo. Just kinda bland and doesn't introduce anything. CoW atleast had a good couple mechanics that were special.
Sounds about right, same if you try to stop rogvirs execution
@@Straline. Not true, you get the werewolf ability which you will use as rarely as possible
Certified Companion moment.
I felt your rage on the magic system man, Bethesda is like a pizza place that sells the best pizza dough of all time, but they are to lazy to make the other ingredients good since the dough sells so well, so the rest of the ingredients are literally human feces, so you go buy dough and make the rest of the pizza by yourself in your house with mods.
They need someone like Obsidian to handle the story and dialog for them for the elder scrolls games like Obsidian did for Fallout New Vegas. Just focus on the world design
@@belhariry why pay someone when you have an entire mod community to monkeys-with-typewriters a better game?
@@belhariry Obsidian is a terrible company now, and they will not help in any way shape or form.
I would rather play Fallout 4, again, then have to sit through the slog fest that is Outerworlds. "We get it, you're a communist"
@@johnny1599 Sadly true, the Obsidian that made New Vegas simply does not exist anymore.
I can't agree more.
Advising people to comment a timestamp to save their spot is genius for engagement.
Lmao you’re probably right
HE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!
Only works for ultra-long form vids like this though
NAH CHIEF, MAMA RAISE NO QUITTER! I RAW DOG THE WHOLE VIDEO
@baronvonbeandip Guys, I found Robin Atkin Downes 👆
One idea that I've seen to make the companions questline much better deals with the silver hand being a group that split off from the companions after the circle became werewolves. That the silver hand stayed true to Ysgramor and their nordic heritage by rebelling against lycanthropy and trying to find the pieces of wuthraad to honor Ysgramor. This would've added so much depth and maybe you could've even joined the silver hand to return the companions guild to their former glory, rather than being forced to become a werewolf.
I really like this idea. Such a simple concept that might not have taken much time to incorporate into the factions quest line. And as you said it would add so much depth to the companions, along with providing an interesting way to have a meaningful interaction with the silver hand.
@@himynameis3664 I wouldn't say that would be a quick or easy add. You would need to make new quests (even if they are just radiant quests featuring wolfs and maybe a werewolf), a comparable number of voice lines, unless Bethesda wanted to be super lazy they would need the town to have opinions on the Silver Hand killing and replacing the local guild. Add this to Patrician's theory that the werewolf stuff was added late and they were already ignorant enough about denying becoming a werewolf.
Some fans could probably do a barebones version of it. Or a really good version depending on voice acting and the ability to avoid breaking the game by killing the Companions.
@@himynameis3664 It most likely would have taken a LOT of time to implement. Knowing Bethesda’s writing process, they would not only add more depth to the Silver Hand (in this case completely reworking who they are, creating more characters and needing more voice lines) but would also dehumanize and strip depth from the Companions. As cool as it would be for the Dragonborn to have to choose between a no-nonsense guild of werewolf hunters or a community-bound guild of werewolf warriors, The Elder Scrolls isn’t really known for their ability to create dynamic, impactful, and difficult choices. I may be wrong but I believe this idea came from Fudge Muppet and is honestly a very good idea. However the fact that the Silver Hand in game is just a bandit faction with silver weapons proves Bethesda either did not have time or simply didnt care
And you know what? Kodlack DOES NOT like being a ware wolf in the end. He actively wants to un-lycanthrope himself, and silver hand respect him for this. Maybe silver hand and circle were at peace because both respect Kodlack. Then mid point in quest Kodlack dies because and this causes Sliver hand and Companions to go war. The war is about who gets to do what to body. Circle wants to burn him in Skyforge so his body strengthens their weapons while Silver hand want to un-lycanthrope Kodlack and show everyone in Skyrim that Circle are ware wolfs.
Your Elder Scrolls retrospectives helped me get through three months of hospital last November. Now, a year later, I get to look back at that time and enjoy a new instalment of your wonderful series. Thank you very much Pat!
Can't wait for this 36-hour-long epic to fall asleep while listening to for the next month!
I go to sleep to a random chapter and continue watching whatever chapter is on when i wake up, its a pretty weird but awesome experience.
This, I love going to bed, putting on a video like this and relaxing while listening!
Another person with great taste I see haha.
I often put one of Patrician's elder scrolls videos on to go to sleep.
good stuff 👍
@@dportillo1 this is exactly what I do dude
@@dportillo1 I just go back to the chapter I last remember listening to before I fell asleep.
The craziest thing about the Companions isn’t just that they force you to become a werewolf. But when you first turn, the game *expects* you to go kill random Whiterun civilians to test out your powers. Like, these guys are supposed to be mercenaries that defend the city. And they just let you loose to go kill innocent people? Why not have the player character go on a werewolf rampage in the silver hand base? Or better yet, have the silver hand attack on Jorvaskyr happen much earlier in the questline minus the slaying of Kodlak that way the newbie player character Companion can prove himself further by testing his werewolf skills on people who actually deserve it and thus protecting the home of the Companions while doing so. Skyrim is the only game where the heroic warrior factions make you feel more like a scumbag rather than a hero
I remember way back on release when I first did that quest, I did go on a rampage not thinking much of it. Only during that killing spree, Belethor happened to be leaving his shop and aggroed, and I killed him during the scene, which meant he was dead for good after the transformation ended. Which meant that, until Ysolda decided to take up the mantel, I just didn't have access to the Whiterun general store for a non-insignificant amount of time.
Hell, instead of rampaging in the city, they could have had an underground training area that they used for the new Werewolfs to get the hang of their powers while also not potentially harming innocent people during it.
You don't need to go on The rampage, you just need to wait for like 5min. With you do that they will Say "Many of Us don't have the luck to not go on a bloodbath on your first night as a werewolf"
@@samfire3067 yeah so basically, the game still expects you to go kill random npcs because the Companions will have special dialogue just in case you decide not to 😭
@@samfire3067 I think the point still stands that they know a newly turned werewolf is generally inclined toward a blood rage and left you in the middle of a town to go through it. Even if you can just stand in place, the Companions are impressed that you didn't slaughter the people they put you in a position to slaughter.
Are you guys dumb? Did you not read the 3 lines of dialogue before the blood ritual? The whole point of the night of the transformation is to RP how you would act as a werewolf (either rampage or just leave the city) and you get a dialogue acording to your choice. We know thanks to Aela that some werewolves can control themselves and others just go feral. Just because you're smoothbrained and need to click every red dot on map for a dopamine release doesn't mean the game is badly designed. If this sort of roleplaying option was on morrowind you guys would praise it 😂.
Ya know what would've been an interesting climax of the college of winterhold questline? Using magic to raise the collapsed parts of winterhold from the sea, which opens up another side quest (or side questline) where you help rebuild winterhold.
Honestly, that's a cool idea, imagine if it gave you boons like a farm where what alchemy resources you cultivate give you like x4 the normal amount, so plucking a 1 nirnroot gives you 4, and so on.
I have thought about that too. Well rebuilding Winter hold and gaining the respect of the people that live there. It would make sense to have a quest like that, considering the damage the College did to the village.
One word: consoles
@@_zigger_ At the very mention, several aristocratic types guffaw in disgust and one lady faints.
Considering they even had to cut content from Rorikstead, I don't think this would've made the cut lmao