@@iprince7934 which context? We are living in an era of participation trophies and VVD is the best manifestation of that! Bogus commentary and journalism hype him up in the media. He is not at Pique's level nor Ramos, Ferdinand, Terry, Sol, Ledley King, etc
@@DaveLaMuse Your telling me the guy wo is the only defender never to be dribbled past a season, only defender to have 90% passing accuracy a season. Only defender to win the uefa poty and come closest to Messi in a ballondor race even compared to Cr7 is a bad defender shut up. You look stupid
Owen is just trying to find a fanbase that lovees him so he's sucking up to dippers... who hate him for joining United! He means nothing to United fans as all he did was win us a derby once. Nothing else!
Greatest ever Man United has ever had. Here is how you can tell, take Jaap Stam and swap him with Rio or Vidic, and we win the same or more. In Fact, you could pick up Stam and put him in any era and we will likely improve. Now, if I pick up Rio or Vidic and swap them for Jaap Stam to partner Ronny Johnson, we do not win the treble or back-to-back Prems. You put Rio and Vidic together, and you get Jaap Stam.
@@Mister.Miracle Put Vidic with Johnson then they would work well, because Vidic is a stopper and Johnson was a sweeper. Rio played the sweeper role when he played with Vidic. Rio with Johnson would be aiming for Top 4, not the title itself.
@Mister.Miracle disagree vidic slots in flawlessly for stam. only 4 players have ever won 2 pfa player of the years all attackers except vidic..... stam at absolute peak best cb in prem but vidic is right up there and has longevity and impact
Michael owen🤡 "Van dijk is the best centre back of all time".... then who is maldini, baresi, canavaro, puyol, pique, Ramos, nesta, beckenbauer, costacurta.... The man is not even in the top ten. He may be in the epl but not of all time
@@Perryvogelbekdier with all due respect You don't watch 2000s futbol if you said that with absolute certainty because that's not an opinion That's just being Wrong He's not on the level of baresi Maldini Ramos or Canavaro But he's one of the best of all time Top 10 Cb
There is a lot of recency bias in football. If you believe the current pundits, good football was invented by Klopp and Guardiola 5 years ago. I dont know what I was watching in the 90's, 00's and 10's then, because I seem to remember United playing brilliant, dynamic, attacking football!
@@flacohernandez4380 ok lol 😂 This one is true 👍 But yeah for Most its opinion But what are Strikers Credited And Measured with 99% of Times Yeah Goals ⚽ That's right They are and Were And u know the Rest About Haaland 👍 Okay yeah Bye 👋
Van dijk played against Messi neymar Suarez Mbappe aguero haaland Giroud ibra lukaku Lewandoski Griezmann Martinez costa Ronaldo????!! Vidic faced 8 goals a season drogba Faced torres and got bullied Got out jumped by messi in a champions league final Played with Ronaldo. So the real question is who did Vidic face?
@@skinnyp8829 lol so you're gonna admit Vidic faced every player on that lost bar a few and if you watched the video you'd realise that your bias stinks from a mile away. How about Antony Martial Wiping the floor with VVD in that video the hype on that guy is really naive tbh hes a really good defender who uses his team to make himself look better than he actually is his best attribute is his reading of the game and and his aerial ability. He's not Even on the level of John Terry and Cahill fans just have a short memory and accept anything these biased pundits feed them with. Just by watching the game for decades I can comfortably say he's not even top 5 in the Premier league era. Vidic faced Giroud, Van Persie, Aguero, Torres , Suarez, Anelka, Babel, Diouf, Drogba, Bergkamp, Kanu, Henry, David Villa and so many more that I just can't keep naming them it's really Naive of you to compare the Caliber of strikers they both faced. VVD is just not on that level period.
The dribbled past stat is so stupid because lindelof did the following the next season. He wasn't also dribbled past once in the league and we know how good Lindelof is
So do you think vidic is the only player with better tackling and blocking stats. I'm pretty sure any relegation team defenders at that time would have similar or better defensive stats. So would you say it was a meaningless stat?
Amazingly, in recent years some random Liverpool fans tried to claim how Jamie Carragher was a better defender than Rio Ferdinand, how Pepe Reina was a better goalie than Van Der Sar, how Roberto Firminho is a better striker than Sergio Augero, how Mo Salah is better than Cristiano Ronaldo in the Premier League era. Even Jamie Carragher tried to argue with Keano that Sadio Mane is superior to Giggsy. However, the reasonable Liverpool fans don't rank Dominic Shabozli above Bruno Fernandes.
I can see brainless Liverpool fans crying in this comment section basing off their arguments on one of the stupidest individual award offered by FIFA.🤣
@@jubleemithila7927 No Chance. The vast majority of Liverpool fans wouldn't agree as Salah is only a one dimensional left footer who didn't achieve remotely as much as Ronaldo's 1st spell at United.
Rio and Vida signed for United at 24 while Van Dyk was at Celtic. Different levels, we're just unlucky we didn't have the same level of social media coverage.
@@rammus5672 also if you're so unhappy lets talk about someone like beckenbaur, homie was 60years old when internet was not even a thing, still the reason he was called der kaiser is because of skills.
Van Dijk deserves respect and acknowledgement. And that's what Rio gave at the beginning of the video. But then you have the Michael Owens of the World. Just strange exaggerations. It's like Liverpool have been STARVED for top CBs so they give hyperbolic praise to VVD to overcompensate.
wrong hyypia was a top cb so don't pretend they're desperate to hype any defender they're not and any fanbase that has a player like vvd who is performing like that will praise them often just as the pundits was lyrical about vvd also
no fan is overcompensating for vvd who has been huge for that club his performances speak for themselves the liverpool fanbase and almost everyone else except this man u fanbase know he's top class he's been one of the best cb's ever in the pl/europe won many individual awards and deserves the plaudits he gets
So it was just Liverpool fans that voted van djk to be the second best player on the planet just 6 votes behind Messi that year. Messi would still get those 6 votes even if he was playing with some grannies in a parking lot. Before his injury VVD was a Legend worthy player.
I like how Liverpool fans when they see their "argument" about "Torres destroying Vidic" falling down, then they say- "but how many red cards Vidic got against Torres? Answer is- not a single red card in duel with Torres. Also, it's 3 goals in 17 games against Vidic, not 15 (Serbia played against Spain in World Cup 2006 qualifications, and Torres didn't score).
"He is one of only four players to win the Premier League Player of the Season award twice, alongside Thierry Henry, Kevin De Bruyne and Cristiano Ronaldo."
Do this on Modric vs Iniesta all Madrid fans talk about is ballon d'or but literally everyone knows Ronaldo deserved and they also bring up the fact Modric is playing at 37 but were and how was he playing before 27yrs old
Its the most bias and atrouciois peice of video ive ever seen,, he leaves so much context and dosent even have good arguments. 90% of his arguments are cherry picked and dosent even give a single point to Vandijk. by the way he talks you would think were comparing Maldini and Maguire
@@nosakhareanthony97 What credits??He dint even mention his ballondor 2nd place nomination being only 8 points away from the goat Messi, he dint mention Vvd winning the uefa poty. He dint mention that Liverpool are by far a higher pressing team and don't have defensive minded fullbacks like man utd. He dint mention Vvd plays in an aggressive 4-3-3 while Vidic was in a low 4-4-2. He cherry picked the stats because he knew Man utd were more of a defensive based team compared to Liverpools possessive and attacking based philosophy 🤣. If you don't see the bias I don't know what will
@iprince7934 he mentioned vvd being better in the air and with ball u could mention ballon dor vote but that's a popularity contest I mean ffs jorginho finished ahead of salah lol do u know what's more impressive than that? only 4 players have EVER won the prem player of the season award twice: cr7 henry kdb .... and nemanja vidic. yes that's the only cb to win the leagues most coverted award not once but twice within 3 seasons I don't think ppl realise how good vidic was. ps saying vidic played on a low 442 is a ludicrous lie. vvd had his best season with a 3 man defensive mid infront the likes of Henderson wijnaldum sat working hard infront lol utd were renowned for recklessly attacking leaving vidic and rio often in 2v2 situations quite high up the pitch. utd played 442 with 2 man pivot mids which attacked meaning they often didn't even have 1cdm sitting. in an era where everyone played 2 up top vidic factually faced more 1v1 situation per season than vvd utd were the most attacking side of their prem era averaging the most goals, forward passes and high avg field position per player during that period.
@@vkdeen7570 He mentioned Ariel progress to atleast look non bias, the ballondor argument has still not been debunked. Because Vvd actually deserved it not getting dribbled past thr whole year never been done, to add salt to the injury his a cb who plays for Liverpool, most people don't even view cb as a popular position so how could it be a popularity contest when the odds are stacked against Vvd not to mention he finished above Ronaldo the most popular human of all time. Vvd never played with 3 man at the back, you've just blatantly lied because klopp loves his full backs to press high , averaging the highest line in Europe for 6 years in a row until Arsenal took there crown. Again Henderson and wijnaldum weren't genuinely defensive midfielders they were used to press and suffocate the opposing teams midfield to make them misplace a pass. Also I'd rather Roy Keane and Carrick than , Wijnaldum and Henderson any day of the week. In what world is winning the pfa poty 2x better than being 2nd to Messi in the ballondor by 8 points???Especially considering vvd is a cb. I can also throw the same argument as Vvd won the uefa poty which no defender has ever won and only Messi and Ronaldo have won it more than once. Your argument on the 4-4-2 is so disingenuous, your manager sir Alex has a famous quote that attack wins you games and defense wins you titles so saying Man utd were more attacking when 90% of teams employ the 4-4-2 when out of possession is contradictory. Infact just check liverpools and Manutd heat maps , Liverpool have by far more touches in the final 3rd than man utd. The stats you placed are also lies, you said Man utd scored more goals when there best ever goal scoring season in 08 only scored 80 goals , when in liverpools 3rd best season goal scoring wise 19/20 they scored 84 goals. Not only that liverpool also broke the prem record for most shots taken a last season, also being the highest scoring team in Europe's big 5 leagues. Also saying vidic faced 2v2 is just doing him harm as modern football teams attack with 3-7 players, while in set prices pretty much the whole team besides the dm goes to box and leaves the keeper and dm alone. While back in the late 2000s 2-3 players usually cb would be left back. I've debunked all your points
if we want to compare stylistically how VVD defends, it should be with Rio. Both will back off and wait for the right time to engage and make a tackle and both read their opponents movement. Simple term Vidic is just aggression, a bigger more physical version of Licha.
Torres scored 3 goals in 17 games agaisnt Vidic, not 15 games. Serbia and Montenegro played against Spain in World Cup 2006 Qualifications, and Torres didnt' score a goal in those two games.
He’s an Absolute beast my favourite Utd legend winning 2 pl pots when many would say the premier league was better back then as a centre back is enough
defending was easier in the past because you could be rougher. Also these centre backs didnt have to cover for gaps left by Alexander Arnold and Robertson while constantly changing partners with a sub par partner. If Van dijk had been Vidics Partner instead of Rio utd would have more titles but if liverpool had Ferdinand they would have less
Bro just a small correction in that time there were many legends at their prime so it was not easier for them and even do they did rough tackles there was way more better dribblers in that time then now
@@AD0de Vidic played alongside Ferdinand?So Vidic's defensive stats are already tamed, and yet he's still favoured statistically over Van Dijk. Actually some pea brain tik tok brainrot type argument.
@@shutup2751 Vvd is good but liverpool fans are just delusional to say that he is any better than maldini vvd is a great defender but maldini is defence and defence is maldini that it's once and for all also mate I support you to say vvd is not better than any of the defender you mentioned above
So Van Dijk is meant to carry a nation to win the Euro's or World Cup over.... England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Argentina, Brazil... make it make sense...
Let's not forget, Vidis was a centreback in an era where strikers were ACTUAL, ELITE strikers. Even some midtable clubs & on rare occasions, bottom clubs, had ELITE strikers playing for them. Vvd plays in an era where he could just stand there & wait for the ball to cross his path & then call it "defending" without having to go toe to toe with the striker he's playing against. Vvd is quite a good centreback, but let's be real. He is nowhere near the top 10 best in the history of the league.
Vidic was an absolute demon. Ive seen this man single handedly stop everything that came into the box for Manutd. People forget John Terry as well. Michael Owen is a clown
To be honest, I don't care one bit about the past or about these kind of comparisons. In my personal life, I live in the present while creating ideas and taking actions that are good for the future. Seriously, who cares who was better or more impactful? I care about United's present squad abd the next match and this season. Anyway, respect for your efforts and dedication Sam!!! ❤❤❤
I agree. however, without the past, there is no future. Without players like Vidic on our team, and other great past players from our team, we wouldn't be considered as such a legendary team without. that.
VVD is an elite defender you just can't go wrong. One of the few elite defenders who has actual defensive techniques unlike that annoying Ramos and incompetent Pique. T.Silva and VVD are examples for defenders.
Idk I am still not convinced. Vvd being best of all time is definitely cap. But I still feel vvd is still on that hate train of "still active player". I remember the days when people used to say Maradona better than messi even though he surpassed him in every aspect. People will only start putting respect on player's name after he has retired or moved past his prime
i do think you can take both entirely defending what kind of player you prefer. do you like a ball playing, more modern, and passive defender or do you like a more aggressive and dominant defender
You just put affort in your videos I love people like you u deserve 1 million subscribers and you will get there by faith continue you are just the best Bro love you ❤️
You know your team's dogshit when you have to compare one of your leg-ends of yesteryear with a player from that traditional rival of yours that's got _such a bright future!_ :D
And the traditonal rivals even after having the VVD " the best CB of all time " have to still win the "league 4 more times", VVD still has to be a double consecutive player of the season and still to get a "cult status" with their fanvase that shits on their team on minor losses.
1:38 So the claim here is that Johnny Evans and Chris Smalling aren't good CB's? 3:01 This is only valid on the imagination that both teams were 1 player teams, which they weren't. 3:24 Down this hypothetical road both teams have the same amount of EPL's and Liverpool still have 1 more UCL, which ain't that bad. 3:33 Aaron Ramsdale was Arsenals starting GK for years, now he's sat in the relegation zone with Southampton, every player is dependent on the players around them, throw Vidic into Burnley, They're still getting relegated. 4:40 VVD Plays behind a more defensively sound Midfield, If he needed to be more aggressive, I'd back him too. 5:48 Again, This only stands on the basis that Liverpool is a 1 man team, which it isn't, 2, Rashford is a wide player, he's Trent's problem before he's Van Dijks, Unlike Torres being Vidic's main focus. 5:54 😬😬 6:22 I'm not here to make the claim VVD Is the best CB ever, but I'll hands down claim you and other rival fans are giving him less credit than he deserves. 6:53 So... Was Vidic carried or not? pick one. 7:23 I'd say the same for Van Dijk, if you see TAA Next to VVD who are you gonna try to dribble? be honest. (This is actually a great argument for why VVD is better than what people give him credit for.) 8:17 this is a good point as to why Van Dijk doesn't get recognition. All in all I think that Van Dijk currently, if you say Vidic did his job 10/10, Van Dijk could do it a 9/10, Being a CB has changed a lot, and if he was doing it in the same time period, maybe they could be more alike than you'd think. This was a good video, As much as I don't want to, I'm gonna give you a like, and no, I'll never say a United player is better than a Liverpool player, even if it's obvious, which it isn't, for the record...... 😉
Wanna go for Roy Keane vs Haaland myth? Roy didnt end his career. Haaland played the rest of the game and 2 international games. He had a bandage around his left leg, roy tackled his right (or the other way around) haaland told norwegian radio that roy didnt injured him, but changed his voice when the book came out
🤔At 3.20….when did Vidic win 2 Chps Lges and was part of a team to also defend it?!?? I don’t have any such recollection. Sounds like Sam is sadly mistaken‼️‼️‼️
Vidic play against Messi,Drogba,Deco,Balack,Ronaldo(in Madrid),Eto and many more world class players. VVD play against,hmmm,Rashford? Haaaaaaland? Cmon guys FO with this debate...
The Midfield cover is a great argument for why VVD is better than what United fans give him credit for, he never had to do as much as Vidic, and when he did, he did it perfectly 9/10 don't forget who played in our DM role for years, Fabinho, he could stop attacks on his own.
You take such small things into consideration what vidic had to overcome physically first in premier league…for me what I have seen the biggest difference to me is HEART AND PASSION…VIDIC had it on while he was sleeping 😴…and VIDIC IS AMD WAS A DEFENDER THROUGH AND THROUGH
Another hypothetical: Vidić not getting his knee badly injured in a dubious challenge ... Utd probably progress to the knock-out rounds of the CL, and very possibly do better than losing the Premiership on goal difference... Vidić likely gets another Premiership medal, and with a little bit of luck, the CL. Not only that, but when Vidić returned to playing, he wasn't the same big strong guy anymore. It set his career back big time and he never fully regained that peak physical condition. Having a 100% Vidić for longer results in more trophies for the club, and that results in attracting more of the top players - and for the right reasons!!
Recency bias is huge these days because of stats and social media. Players and managers that have no business being in the top list are somehow crawling up that list and disrespecting actual football legends that came before them and actually won things; which if I'm not mistaken what you're ultimately supposed to do.
@@Артемсергеев-ы4с Winning 1 PL and 1 CL doesn't make you "The best defender of all time". VVD is great player no denying that, but I don't see him in the top with some MU and CHE legends. Also, don't get me started on the Balon D'Or, it's a popularity contest, there are plenty of seasons where the best player didn't win it.
I don’t agree with Michael Owen but he is one of the best of all time and by the way, only 1 defender from this video was 2nd in the ballon d’or rankings behind Messi who didn’t deserve it that year
I love Liverpool, a die hard fan. Ramos, Maldini, Nesta, Canavaro, Van Dijk, Pepe, Terry, Puyol..... no one comes close to Vidic. I ain't seen a defender like him... I can argue all day, everyday.
There is no debate. Vidic is better. Vidic and Ferdinand won a bunch of league titles, reached 3 cl finals and also won several cups. Van Dijk has won one league title and 1 cl title and 3 cups with Liverpool. Vidic and Ferdinand helped their team win 15 trophies in 8 years
Time to put this Vidic and Van Dijk debate to bed.
Great video ! Please do one on how OVERRATED Gerard was compared to Scholes/Keane / Becks so Carragher has to see it
Vidic is better since he had to play against players of shearer and more van dijk had to play against dcl
Your argumetns and bias is just so bad, the fact you dint provide any context for Vvd shows ur bias
@@iprince7934 which context? We are living in an era of participation trophies and VVD is the best manifestation of that! Bogus commentary and journalism hype him up in the media. He is not at Pique's level nor Ramos, Ferdinand, Terry, Sol, Ledley King, etc
@@DaveLaMuse Your telling me the guy wo is the only defender never to be dribbled past a season, only defender to have 90% passing accuracy a season. Only defender to win the uefa poty and come closest to Messi in a ballondor race even compared to Cr7 is a bad defender shut up. You look stupid
The audacity of Michael Owen to call Van Dijk best of all times is utter stupidity.
Owen is just trying to find a fanbase that lovees him so he's sucking up to dippers... who hate him for joining United! He means nothing to United fans as all he did was win us a derby once. Nothing else!
I agree
Said it next to Rio too
@@WillyToulouse sad
It was cause of his prime being 2nd in the ballondor to Messi and being the only defneder to win the UEFA Poty and not get dribbled past
Everyone forgetting Jaap Stam. Embarrassing
Greatest ever Man United has ever had. Here is how you can tell, take Jaap Stam and swap him with Rio or Vidic, and we win the same or more. In Fact, you could pick up Stam and put him in any era and we will likely improve.
Now, if I pick up Rio or Vidic and swap them for Jaap Stam to partner Ronny Johnson, we do not win the treble or back-to-back Prems.
You put Rio and Vidic together, and you get Jaap Stam.
Stam better than either Vidic or Van Djik.
@@Mister.Miracle Put Vidic with Johnson then they would work well, because Vidic is a stopper and Johnson was a sweeper. Rio played the sweeper role when he played with Vidic. Rio with Johnson would be aiming for Top 4, not the title itself.
@Mister.Miracle disagree vidic slots in flawlessly for stam. only 4 players have ever won 2 pfa player of the years all attackers except vidic.....
stam at absolute peak best cb in prem but vidic is right up there and has longevity and impact
Stam says Van Djik is better than him , Vidic ,Ferdinand , Brown ,Oshea ....you get the drift😉
Michael owen🤡 "Van dijk is the best centre back of all time".... then who is maldini, baresi, canavaro, puyol, pique, Ramos, nesta, beckenbauer, costacurta.... The man is not even in the top ten. He may be in the epl but not of all time
Even in the Prem, he's behind JT, Rio, Vidic, Stam, Carvalho, Tony Adams, Kompany....
@@benedictjajo The Scouser in him got carried away
Even Pepe is better than Fake Dijk
Totally agree. It’s Liverpool and recency bias.
@@benedictjajo none of them got a second in the ballon dor tho
Short answer, Vidic is better.
Long answer, Vidic is definitely better.
Quit lying.. he wasn’t even the best of his generation 🤣
@@Perryvogelbekdier with all due respect
You don't watch 2000s futbol if you said that with absolute certainty because that's not an opinion
That's just being Wrong
He's not on the level of baresi Maldini Ramos or Canavaro
But he's one of the best of all time
Top 10 Cb
Not according to Fernando Torres 🥱😂😂
@@Perryvogelbekdier2000's talking. Cause you've never seen him play. So you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
@@yournotmytwin7982 Pretty sure he only scored like 4 or 6 in 12 appearances against Vidic
Vidic is a legend of the game period ❤
There is a lot of recency bias in football. If you believe the current pundits, good football was invented by Klopp and Guardiola 5 years ago. I dont know what I was watching in the 90's, 00's and 10's then, because I seem to remember United playing brilliant, dynamic, attacking football!
Haaland is also the best striker of all time
People are clowns man, you would think football started 5 years ago
@@flacohernandez4380 ok lol 😂
This one is true 👍
But yeah for Most its opinion
But what are Strikers
Credited And Measured with 99% of Times
Yeah Goals ⚽
That's right
They are and Were
And u know the Rest About Haaland 👍
Okay yeah
Bye 👋
@@ashfaqsheikh3134 It's not true for me because I have seen better strikers than Haaland.
lmao
There is a lot of nostalgia bias as well. Tell me one player apart from Messi and Ronaldo who you put above a retired legend.
Lol VVD is not even the best Dutch of all time as Stam was better than him.
Stam was better than Rio and Ferdinand
@@carlrowlinson2833 wait what 💀
@@V0RT3X207😂😂😂 I didnt see it at first.. 😂😂 Maybe Rio had schizophrenia?? 😂😂😂
I agree completely. Stam is the next best CB we've ever had in PL era
Stam best ever
Vidic faced better strikers and players than van Dijk. Teams are better now but players have regressed individually.
Well said
Van dijk played against Messi neymar Suarez Mbappe aguero haaland Giroud ibra lukaku Lewandoski Griezmann Martinez costa Ronaldo????!!
Vidic faced 8 goals a season drogba
Faced torres and got bullied
Got out jumped by messi in a champions league final
Played with Ronaldo.
So the real question is who did Vidic face?
@@skinnyp8829Vidic played against most of those guys you named, you can add Henry, Eto, David Villa, the list goes on.
@@skinnyp8829 lol so you're gonna admit Vidic faced every player on that lost bar a few and if you watched the video you'd realise that your bias stinks from a mile away. How about Antony Martial Wiping the floor with VVD in that video the hype on that guy is really naive tbh hes a really good defender who uses his team to make himself look better than he actually is his best attribute is his reading of the game and and his aerial ability. He's not Even on the level of John Terry and Cahill fans just have a short memory and accept anything these biased pundits feed them with. Just by watching the game for decades I can comfortably say he's not even top 5 in the Premier league era. Vidic faced Giroud, Van Persie, Aguero, Torres , Suarez, Anelka, Babel, Diouf, Drogba, Bergkamp, Kanu, Henry, David Villa and so many more that I just can't keep naming them it's really Naive of you to compare the Caliber of strikers they both faced. VVD is just not on that level period.
@@skinnyp8829Torres never bullied him. Torres scored 3 goals in 15 games vs vidic. Vidic bullied torres.
Actual facts don't seem to matter anymore, people just say things and as long as they say it with confidence it's all good. Great video Sam 👍
The dribbled past stat is so stupid because lindelof did the following the next season. He wasn't also dribbled past once in the league and we know how good Lindelof is
Was Lindelof PL winner, UCL winner and second to BD. Lindelof wasn't 50% as good as VVD
@@Артемсергеев-ы4с ergo why I said it's a stupid stat or do you lack comprehension
So do you think vidic is the only player with better tackling and blocking stats. I'm pretty sure any relegation team defenders at that time would have similar or better defensive stats. So would you say it was a meaningless stat?
Amazingly, in recent years some random Liverpool fans tried to claim how Jamie Carragher was a better defender than Rio Ferdinand, how Pepe Reina was a better goalie than Van Der Sar,
how Roberto Firminho is a better striker than Sergio Augero, how Mo Salah is better than Cristiano Ronaldo in the Premier League era.
Even Jamie Carragher tried to argue with Keano that Sadio Mane is superior to Giggsy.
However, the reasonable Liverpool fans don't rank Dominic Shabozli above Bruno Fernandes.
I can see brainless Liverpool fans crying in this comment section basing off their arguments on one of the stupidest individual award offered by FIFA.🤣
Salah is better than Ronaldo in the pl
@@jubleemithila7927 No Chance. The vast majority of Liverpool fans wouldn't agree as Salah is only a one dimensional left footer who didn't achieve remotely as much as Ronaldo's 1st spell at United.
Rio and Vida signed for United at 24 while Van Dyk was at Celtic.
Different levels, we're just unlucky we didn't have the same level of social media coverage.
According to this logic we should say vidic was better than maldini. But thats no conversation maldini is better.
Media presence is just an excuse.
@@anshdeotale1279 Maldini was playing for the greatest Milan team ever wtf are you on about?
@@rammus5672 was he playing on the greatest team ? Or was it maldini who made it the greatest ? He was the cog the held everything together.
@@rammus5672 also if you're so unhappy lets talk about someone like beckenbaur, homie was 60years old when internet was not even a thing, still the reason he was called der kaiser is because of skills.
@@anshdeotale1279 you're joking right... There is no credibility here if I need you to pull up the Milan sides from 2000-2007
Van Dijk deserves respect and acknowledgement. And that's what Rio gave at the beginning of the video. But then you have the Michael Owens of the World.
Just strange exaggerations. It's like Liverpool have been STARVED for top CBs so they give hyperbolic praise to VVD to overcompensate.
This is 100% on the money
wrong hyypia was a top cb so don't pretend they're desperate to hype any defender they're not and any fanbase that has a player like vvd who is performing like that will praise them often just as the pundits was lyrical about vvd also
no fan is overcompensating for vvd who has been huge for that club his performances speak for themselves the liverpool fanbase and almost everyone else except this man u fanbase know he's top class he's been one of the best cb's ever in the pl/europe won many individual awards and deserves the plaudits he gets
So it was just Liverpool fans that voted van djk to be the second best player on the planet just 6 votes behind Messi that year. Messi would still get those 6 votes even if he was playing with some grannies in a parking lot. Before his injury VVD was a Legend worthy player.
I like how Liverpool fans when they see their "argument" about "Torres destroying Vidic" falling down, then they say- "but how many red cards Vidic got against Torres? Answer is- not a single red card in duel with Torres. Also, it's 3 goals in 17 games against Vidic, not 15 (Serbia played against Spain in World Cup 2006 qualifications, and Torres didn't score).
"He is one of only four players to win the Premier League Player of the Season award twice, alongside Thierry Henry, Kevin De Bruyne and Cristiano Ronaldo."
Do this on Modric vs Iniesta all Madrid fans talk about is ballon d'or but literally everyone knows Ronaldo deserved and they also bring up the fact Modric is playing at 37 but were and how was he playing before 27yrs old
Imagine being a Liverpool fan and watching this video...couldn't be me!
Its the most bias and atrouciois peice of video ive ever seen,, he leaves so much context and dosent even have good arguments. 90% of his arguments are cherry picked and dosent even give a single point to Vandijk. by the way he talks you would think were comparing Maldini and Maguire
@@iprince7934Tf are you on about? He gave VVD his credits but saying he is better than Vidic is complete B.S and we all know it
@@nosakhareanthony97 What credits??He dint even mention his ballondor 2nd place nomination being only 8 points away from the goat Messi, he dint mention Vvd winning the uefa poty. He dint mention that Liverpool are by far a higher pressing team and don't have defensive minded fullbacks like man utd. He dint mention Vvd plays in an aggressive 4-3-3 while Vidic was in a low 4-4-2. He cherry picked the stats because he knew Man utd were more of a defensive based team compared to Liverpools possessive and attacking based philosophy 🤣. If you don't see the bias I don't know what will
@iprince7934 he mentioned vvd being better in the air and with ball
u could mention ballon dor vote but that's a popularity contest I mean ffs jorginho finished ahead of salah lol do u know what's more impressive than that?
only 4 players have EVER won the prem player of the season award twice: cr7 henry kdb .... and nemanja vidic. yes that's the only cb to win the leagues most coverted award not once but twice within 3 seasons
I don't think ppl realise how good vidic was.
ps saying vidic played on a low 442 is a ludicrous lie. vvd had his best season with a 3 man defensive mid infront the likes of Henderson wijnaldum sat working hard infront lol utd were renowned for recklessly attacking leaving vidic and rio often in 2v2 situations quite high up the pitch. utd played 442 with 2 man pivot mids which attacked meaning they often didn't even have 1cdm sitting. in an era where everyone played 2 up top vidic factually faced more 1v1 situation per season than vvd
utd were the most attacking side of their prem era averaging the most goals, forward passes and high avg field position per player during that period.
@@vkdeen7570 He mentioned Ariel progress to atleast look non bias, the ballondor argument has still not been debunked. Because Vvd actually deserved it not getting dribbled past thr whole year never been done, to add salt to the injury his a cb who plays for Liverpool, most people don't even view cb as a popular position so how could it be a popularity contest when the odds are stacked against Vvd not to mention he finished above Ronaldo the most popular human of all time.
Vvd never played with 3 man at the back, you've just blatantly lied because klopp loves his full backs to press high , averaging the highest line in Europe for 6 years in a row until Arsenal took there crown. Again Henderson and wijnaldum weren't genuinely defensive midfielders they were used to press and suffocate the opposing teams midfield to make them misplace a pass. Also I'd rather Roy Keane and Carrick than , Wijnaldum and Henderson any day of the week.
In what world is winning the pfa poty 2x better than being 2nd to Messi in the ballondor by 8 points???Especially considering vvd is a cb. I can also throw the same argument as Vvd won the uefa poty which no defender has ever won and only Messi and Ronaldo have won it more than once.
Your argument on the 4-4-2 is so disingenuous, your manager sir Alex has a famous quote that attack wins you games and defense wins you titles so saying Man utd were more attacking when 90% of teams employ the 4-4-2 when out of possession is contradictory. Infact just check liverpools and Manutd heat maps , Liverpool have by far more touches in the final 3rd than man utd.
The stats you placed are also lies, you said Man utd scored more goals when there best ever goal scoring season in 08 only scored 80 goals , when in liverpools 3rd best season goal scoring wise 19/20 they scored 84 goals. Not only that liverpool also broke the prem record for most shots taken a last season, also being the highest scoring team in Europe's big 5 leagues. Also saying vidic faced 2v2 is just doing him harm as modern football teams attack with 3-7 players, while in set prices pretty much the whole team besides the dm goes to box and leaves the keeper and dm alone. While back in the late 2000s 2-3 players usually cb would be left back. I've debunked all your points
This Channel is like a fine wine; the older it gets, it just gets better 👍 great video again Sam & the team
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vidic>>>van dijk
van dijk was never the same after his injury vidic was just class
if we want to compare stylistically how VVD defends, it should be with Rio. Both will back off and wait for the right time to engage and make a tackle and both read their opponents movement. Simple term Vidic is just aggression, a bigger more physical version of Licha.
@@TheZain134 Don't compare them either also a more efficient and less mistaken-prone one
Torres scored 3 goals in 17 games agaisnt Vidic, not 15 games. Serbia and Montenegro played against Spain in World Cup 2006 Qualifications, and Torres didnt' score a goal in those two games.
He’s an Absolute beast my favourite Utd legend winning 2 pl pots when many would say the premier league was better back then as a centre back is enough
defending was easier in the past because you could be rougher. Also these centre backs didnt have to cover for gaps left by Alexander Arnold and Robertson while constantly changing partners with a sub par partner. If Van dijk had been Vidics Partner instead of Rio utd would have more titles but if liverpool had Ferdinand they would have less
Bro just a small correction in that time there were many legends at their prime so it was not easier for them and even do they did rough tackles there was way more better dribblers in that time then now
yet you fail to negate the fact that liverpool plays with a defensive midfielder that protects the backline, something that vidic never had.
@@thepeacekeeper2338 Exactly, which is a good point for why VVD Has less defensive stats.
@@AD0de Vidic played alongside Ferdinand?So Vidic's defensive stats are already tamed, and yet he's still favoured statistically over Van Dijk. Actually some pea brain tik tok brainrot type argument.
@@thepeacekeeper2338 Ok, Van Dijk played along side Matip and behind Fabinho, so his defensive stats are EXTREMELY tamed, anything else?
Cannavaro, Nesta, Ramos, Baresi all better than VVD, how can he even be in that debate when he has never won Euros or WC?
@@shutup2751 Vvd is good but liverpool fans are just delusional to say that he is any better than maldini vvd is a great defender but maldini is defence and defence is maldini that it's once and for all also mate I support you to say vvd is not better than any of the defender you mentioned above
So Van Dijk is meant to carry a nation to win the Euro's or World Cup over.... England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Argentina, Brazil... make it make sense...
Van Dijk can't lace vidic's boots 😂
Vidic has no use for boots, Torres broke his ankles.
He is far better than that Serbian coates
YES Sam. Stick it on them. That clip of Owen makes me laugh, the bloke's just a walking _poor-take._
Van dijk for me is the second best defender of all time imagine having a season where nobody dribbked past you and you carried your team to trophies
legendary cb at one point they wouldn't even try to dribble past him
Love the video Sam, great work!
Let's not forget, Vidis was a centreback in an era where strikers were ACTUAL, ELITE strikers. Even some midtable clubs & on rare occasions, bottom clubs, had ELITE strikers playing for them. Vvd plays in an era where he could just stand there & wait for the ball to cross his path & then call it "defending" without having to go toe to toe with the striker he's playing against.
Vvd is quite a good centreback, but let's be real. He is nowhere near the top 10 best in the history of the league.
United fan here; please do one about “Sir Alex having refs in his pocket” I’m tired of folks bringing up false claims to discredit our dominate eras.
Another idiot with an idiotic remark😂
As a Liverpool fan who wasn't around at that time, I'd like to see that video, I doubt United ever actually cheated, but who knows, not me.
Absolutely smashing these videos, makes me wanna grab my popcorn g
Vidic was an absolute demon. Ive seen this man single handedly stop everything that came into the box for Manutd.
People forget John Terry as well. Michael Owen is a clown
To be honest, I don't care one bit about the past or about these kind of comparisons. In my personal life, I live in the present while creating ideas and taking actions that are good for the future.
Seriously, who cares who was better or more impactful? I care about United's present squad abd the next match and this season.
Anyway, respect for your efforts and dedication Sam!!!
❤❤❤
I agree. however, without the past, there is no future. Without players like Vidic on our team, and other great past players from our team, we wouldn't be considered as such a legendary team without. that.
Some of the best content on UA-cam atm love these videos
VVD is an elite defender you just can't go wrong. One of the few elite defenders who has actual defensive techniques unlike that annoying Ramos and incompetent Pique. T.Silva and VVD are examples for defenders.
I remember the liverpool fans saying Anthony Le Tallec was going to have a better career than Ronaldo🤣
Idk I am still not convinced.
Vvd being best of all time is definitely cap. But I still feel vvd is still on that hate train of "still active player". I remember the days when people used to say Maradona better than messi even though he surpassed him in every aspect. People will only start putting respect on player's name after he has retired or moved past his prime
About time someone made a video like this . VVD may not even be top 3 CBs ever in the prem let alone the best
i do think you can take both entirely defending what kind of player you prefer. do you like a ball playing, more modern, and passive defender or do you like a more aggressive and dominant defender
You just destroyed them.Nice video
John O'Shea might be a more fair comparison to VVD.
Then again, only 1 of them megged figo
If Van Dijk had a bigger impact that's because the bar was low. Vidic was following the legacy of Stam.
Great video.
I wanna see something about United "squad players": Nicky Butt, O'Shea, Phil Neville. Absolute ballers
Great content as always Sam
to this day it still baffles me hows this even a debate, did these kids never saw Vidic play live ?
Great video mate, bip ups Rio and Vidic. Unstoppable!
Brilliant video 👏🏻
Well done Sam, great work. This is getting shared big time 👌🏼 time to educate with this one.
Should stick to videos like this. This & the Gary Neville one are class.
More of these please.
Excellent analysis Sam. You are the best
This is an excellent Video. Well done Sam.
Great vid!
Vidic was an absolute beast for United, Vidic + Rio was one of the arguably best center back pairs in the history of the EPL.
When saw make a video like this you sure have to watch. Lovely
You just put affort in your videos I love people like you u deserve 1 million subscribers and you will get there by faith continue you are just the best Bro love you ❤️
So you are essentially saying vidic was just another Romero 😂
You know your team's dogshit when you have to compare one of your leg-ends of yesteryear with a player from that traditional rival of yours that's got _such a bright future!_
:D
Let's compare shittest Dutch managers of all time: ETH or ETH?
:D
And the traditonal rivals even after having the VVD " the best CB of all time " have to still win the "league 4 more times", VVD still has to be a double consecutive player of the season and still to get a "cult status" with their fanvase that shits on their team on minor losses.
Another great video, Sam 👏🏽
1:38 So the claim here is that Johnny Evans and Chris Smalling aren't good CB's?
3:01 This is only valid on the imagination that both teams were 1 player teams, which they weren't.
3:24 Down this hypothetical road both teams have the same amount of EPL's and Liverpool still have 1 more UCL, which ain't that bad.
3:33 Aaron Ramsdale was Arsenals starting GK for years, now he's sat in the relegation zone with Southampton, every player is dependent on the players around them, throw Vidic into Burnley, They're still getting relegated.
4:40 VVD Plays behind a more defensively sound Midfield, If he needed to be more aggressive, I'd back him too.
5:48 Again, This only stands on the basis that Liverpool is a 1 man team, which it isn't, 2, Rashford is a wide player, he's Trent's problem before he's Van Dijks, Unlike Torres being Vidic's main focus.
5:54 😬😬
6:22 I'm not here to make the claim VVD Is the best CB ever, but I'll hands down claim you and other rival fans are giving him less credit than he deserves.
6:53 So... Was Vidic carried or not? pick one.
7:23 I'd say the same for Van Dijk, if you see TAA Next to VVD who are you gonna try to dribble? be honest. (This is actually a great argument for why VVD is better than what people give him credit for.)
8:17 this is a good point as to why Van Dijk doesn't get recognition.
All in all I think that Van Dijk currently, if you say Vidic did his job 10/10, Van Dijk could do it a 9/10, Being a CB has changed a lot, and if he was doing it in the same time period, maybe they could be more alike than you'd think.
This was a good video, As much as I don't want to, I'm gonna give you a like, and no, I'll never say a United player is better than a Liverpool player, even if it's obvious, which it isn't, for the record...... 😉
Wanna go for Roy Keane vs Haaland myth? Roy didnt end his career. Haaland played the rest of the game and 2 international games. He had a bandage around his left leg, roy tackled his right (or the other way around) haaland told norwegian radio that roy didnt injured him, but changed his voice when the book came out
Absolutely brilliant Sam 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
brilliant take! i thoroughly enjoyed this!
That hyypia burn was sweeeeet
This is childish now. Great video Sam
Bust the myth that Odegaard is better than Bruno please I’m so tired of it it’s insane
Brilliant video! 👏
Thank you, Sam. I love this video, it just puts recency bias to the sword. It's also shameful how past players can alter their audiences ignorance.
Very well explained Sam ❤
🤔At 3.20….when did Vidic win 2 Chps Lges and was part of a team to also defend it?!??
I don’t have any such recollection.
Sounds like Sam is sadly mistaken‼️‼️‼️
I love these random one off arguments about man u that you put out
Mad research. I love it! Well done!
Vidic play against Messi,Drogba,Deco,Balack,Ronaldo(in Madrid),Eto and many more world class players.
VVD play against,hmmm,Rashford?
Haaaaaaland?
Cmon guys FO with this debate...
Sam, you simply nailed it 👏 👌🏿 🙌🏿 👍🏾 ❤️!!!
This was indeed a myth-buster of a video!!!
Van vijk in the season he "didn't get dribbled past" attempted 34 tackles in 38 games
Vvd is nowhere near vidic and never will be
Recency bias is absolutely crazy
Thank you Sam ❤❤❤
V for vidic or victory ✌️
Love this video ❤
Maybe we should start comparing VVD to Maguire. With the midfield cover VVD had compared to Harry.
The Midfield cover is a great argument for why VVD is better than what United fans give him credit for, he never had to do as much as Vidic, and when he did, he did it perfectly 9/10 don't forget who played in our DM role for years, Fabinho, he could stop attacks on his own.
Absolutely brilliant analysis, Sam
VVD has a massive head it’s crazy
Brilliant video Sam 😊
Like first of all virgil was born with amazing physical attributes anyone could ever ask for he can do anything he wants..
Sam ffs, you can't do Liverpool mugs dirty like this.
I love this video, so lovely ❤️
You take such small things into consideration what vidic had to overcome physically first in premier league…for me what I have seen the biggest difference to me is HEART AND PASSION…VIDIC had it on while he was sleeping 😴…and VIDIC IS AMD WAS A DEFENDER THROUGH AND THROUGH
Great video👍
Another hypothetical: Vidić not getting his knee badly injured in a dubious challenge ... Utd probably progress to the knock-out rounds of the CL, and very possibly do better than losing the Premiership on goal difference... Vidić likely gets another Premiership medal, and with a little bit of luck, the CL. Not only that, but when Vidić returned to playing, he wasn't the same big strong guy anymore. It set his career back big time and he never fully regained that peak physical condition. Having a 100% Vidić for longer results in more trophies for the club, and that results in attracting more of the top players - and for the right reasons!!
One of the best videos of the year.
Recency bias is huge these days because of stats and social media. Players and managers that have no business being in the top list are somehow crawling up that list and disrespecting actual football legends that came before them and actually won things; which if I'm not mistaken what you're ultimately supposed to do.
What VVD did not win in his career? He was second in BD voting. And he would win if not Messi's brilliance. How many defenders can say that?
@@Артемсергеев-ы4с Winning 1 PL and 1 CL doesn't make you "The best defender of all time". VVD is great player no denying that, but I don't see him in the top with some MU and CHE legends. Also, don't get me started on the Balon D'Or, it's a popularity contest, there are plenty of seasons where the best player didn't win it.
Time to give back to the community. share this with a scouser in your life
I don’t agree with Michael Owen but he is one of the best of all time and by the way, only 1 defender from this video was 2nd in the ballon d’or rankings behind Messi who didn’t deserve it that year
If anything Stam was underrated, man was an absolute beast, Vidic was unreal, fuckin loved that man.
I love Liverpool, a die hard fan. Ramos, Maldini, Nesta, Canavaro, Van Dijk, Pepe, Terry, Puyol..... no one comes close to Vidic. I ain't seen a defender like him... I can argue all day, everyday.
Klopps dynasty myth
united didn't conceded because they had flying dutch man behind them van de sar
There is no debate. Vidic is better. Vidic and Ferdinand won a bunch of league titles, reached 3 cl finals and also won several cups. Van Dijk has won one league title and 1 cl title and 3 cups with Liverpool. Vidic and Ferdinand helped their team win 15 trophies in 8 years
Having Carrick and Scholes also meant they had more control on games and had to defend less as a team.
Vidic was a beast, I'm just saying...
Make one on people comparing young ronaldo's prem numbers in a 442 to salah who had to go abroad and get better.
Doesn't beat the fact Salah still has better PL Numbers.