A Combat Patrol should feel like the first image you find when you google the army. Some manage that quite well. Others are... just 15 dudes in armor with guns.
@@o7_AP Understandable xD But it does sometimes feel a bit "mid" when your other options are "16 dudes and 2 cool hoverbarges" or "a whole mixed arms regiment".
I don’t really get why he gave Tyranids a C, largely because most of the units in the box weren’t currently meta. Then immediately gave Necrons an A, even though the doom stalker was the only meta unit in the box.
i wouldnt interpret this list as a "this is the guide to buy a combat patrol to perform" Jay isnt a meta gameplay channel, hes first and foremost a painter and modeller, so he ranks them how much fun he has painting and building them, he uses the christmas day building/painting example a lot, which is why the ranking highly deviates from the meta. For example, from a modelling and painting perspective, i love the Admech box, its cool units with a decent saving over buying them all seperate. but if you take pts/$ and gameplay into account (which he didnt really do in general) then it will be obviously at the end of the list. @@rickkcir2151
Thank you for sharing this info about this faction. I'm a collector and haven't gotten to play yet so I don't know how the game operates yet. I will still purchase this box once I'm done with the old combat patrol box, because I do love mechanicus! Here's hoping they get a little bit more love after apparently being nerfed into the ground according to my friend. I hope some day I can play with someone! 😊
Honestly the two different start collecting boxes where better than the combat patrol, but even then there really hasn’t been a good way to collect admech with how they are designed rules wise
I know everyone gets hot and bothered about points, but I just wish they all felt like a fair amount of plastic. The Vehicle (centerpiece), Infantry, Elite, Character should be the platonic ideal of a combat patrol. From there, fill in with extras so all boxes are close in weight and volume.
The combat patrols were pitched as competitive (at least point wise) with each other though, something you can just buy one box each and battle your friends, but in actuality it has hugely varying points and at least with Admech, has half the points they’re supposed to, not to mention half the time they throw a random leader in space marine boxes without even thinking about if they can attach to any units in the box
@@deathspace985the points thing imo comes down to some armies being way more expensive. They probably should just bite the bullet if they actually want combat patrol to be a playable game mode that they can’t all be costed the same, or just embrace them as primarily a value box. Regardless though, they should all at least have leaders that can attach to units in the box. That problem irks me to no end, especially since leaders don’t give themselves their abilities when they’re alone.
For the Space Marines you might as well buy the ultimate starter set. In the UK it’s only £35 more and you get the terrain, the Tyranid combat patrol, all the dice, rules, game board etc. much better value.
you could also get the smaller starter kit, you're cheaper off + u get nids only losing 1 marine, buying that marine seperately is already cheaper but u can also sell or trade the remaining nids
Grey Knights patrol is fantastic. There are people who have bought 3 or 4 of these - all of the sprues minus the librarian can be built in as a bunch of different units. Grandmaster or Regular Dreadknight. Strike Marines/Interceptors/Purgators/purifiers. Terminators/Paladins. A little kitbashing can turn the Librarian into a chaplain or other character. Really solid. Getting your whole army at a discount is really good.
The Blood Angels combat patrol is S tier for me considering the batshit deal it is for just about every chapter. Spend $160, sell the upgrades and transfers for $30 and you spent $130 on $240 worth of plastic. 2x boxes = $260 for $480 worth of models. Gives one full intercessors squad which most armies run, 1 full incursors squad, and two squads of aggressors (scary good) The librarian models can be easily kitbashed into army appropriate characters, and if you don't want a second Impulsor, you can probably sell that too for $50 bringing your grand total down to $210
Notably, the Tau combat patrol will be changing once the codex officially drops. New contents are 10 fire warriors, 10 Pathfinders, 1 coldstar/enforcer commander and a devilfish
@@Triptides77 i like the ghostkeel too, but not enough to get the current CP, maybe it was the overall stealth theme the box went with that turned me off.
I think you could make some slight improvements to the space marine patrol if you replaced the infernus squad with 10 infiltrators, replaced the terminators with 3 eliminators, replaced the librarian with 3 suppressors, replaced the captain with a phobos captain and threw in an impulsor
"it's a lot of pox walkers- it's like if the Ork combat patrol came with a bunch of Gretchen" that's literally what I want Jay, ya don't understand Orkz!!!
Man, I really wish you could run a Gretchen-only army. In Warhammer Fantasy and AoS, Goblins are sometimes the underfoot type in larger greens) Greenskin warbands that are dominated by Orks. But there are also entire tribes of just Goblins, some that are quite powerful.
I think a unit of grots in the box would be nice, but too many would be annoying since they shouldn't be the focus unless they get more rules intended to use them on their own and it is a separate box from the normal one.
Those havocs come with 2 (TWO) of euch heavy weapon and you can fully magnetize the hellbrute with minimal effort; as an old school chaos dude, this box was nice for getting lots of the "new" upscaled marines for cheap
@@wholesomecomment45ya idk why leagues of votann got rated so low. The discount value is fine, you’d totally be fine running the models in it, the character can actually attach to a bodyguard unit in the box, and it has pretty core parts of the army. The points value is low if you’re actually playing combat patrol, but that’s just due to votann being super expensive. Deathguard is pretty bad. It’s better than combat patrol tzaangors, at least the characters can attach to units, 30 pox walkers is too many and the fact that plague marines only can be sold in 7 mans is basically a hit against anything that has them, votann is definitely better for everything except points value, but again that’s just because votann are super expensive across the board.
The Grey Knight box is pretty great since you can get an entire army from just 2-3 of it tbh. It's value has taken a hit since the 2 or 3 price hikes they've done for Combat Patrols.
Theres also extra value in the fact that its the only place to find the “old” librarian in terminator armor which fits the scale of the army a bit better. Also no one takes strike squads in 10s anymore. Its usually 1 or 2 5 mans rn
It’s better to buy the starter box from 10th edition because for less expensive you can have the same without the librarian but with many tyrannids as well
More than that, you essentially get both the tyranid and SM combat patrols, a board to play on, and terrain. It's actually a really good way to get into the hobby.
@@tylerchadwell1267 that is only if you get the ultimate box. The the regular one is missing the librarian and barbgaunts. They put paint in the mini set just to jack the price vs last edition's.
I agree with most of what you said. World Eaters has a great deal. 20 Bizerkers, you can't beat that. Except with the Genestealer Cult Combat Patrol box. That is a solid A. 20 Neophytes and 5 Abhorrents, and the rockgrinder transport. And all lead by the sexy Magus. Great value. Great video.
The Ad Mech combat patrol is a solid F tier box. Not sure how it got a B here but it can’t be played as a 500 point army, which was the entire point of combat patrols. God help you if you picked this up to play against a friend and they grabbed the custodies or demons box
and with some of them *looks at the mechanicus CP* you dont even have enough points to play combat patrol, forcing you to buy even more kits to fill out the rest of the points.
Definitely was a surprise to see the new DA box not come with any of the new models, and an actually useless HQ mini. 5 Deathwing Knights with a Termie Captain and something meaty to flesh it out (Brutalis/Ballistus Dread or some heavy shooters) would've made more sense.
A regular Grey Knight Army is almost literally 3 Combat Patrols. Add a Castellan Crowe, make 10 of those Strike Squads into Purifiers, keep the other 5 as Strike Squad, get an Assassin and run 2 of the 3 Dreadknights? That's a competitive list right there.
Side note: If you want to start a Genestealer Cult Necromunda gang then the box is currently the cheapest way in to be able to try all sorts of different gangers. Probably not the best use of the box, but if you're really itching for that then it does give you a great foundation to customize nearly everything.
The Admech one is pants for anyone saying otherwise, its like 250 pts in game. which is a shame as their one of my favourite armies. i must of picked up 3 or 4 of the old start collecting that included the dunecrawler, this CP should have had the floaty tank in it aswell
The sisters box is a bit strange though, I think in a way it become better if you buy it twice because then at least you have slightly larger units of repentia and flagelants. Of course then you do run into the mono pose issue of your units but I guess that isn't the worst thing in the world. At least it offers a good saving and a nice mixture of different models.
Just got the DG combat patrol to add to my army just cause I needed typhus and the putrifier, but the poxwqlkers was fun to paint in all honesty. Liking the box myself. Wish it had a blight hauler or some kind of vehicle.
While the models included in Admech are wonderful, that’s where all the praise ends. The most expensive army in the game, and unlike GSC who makes their combat patrol accessible to play the rest of the army, Admech gives you 270 points at most for $160. If these boxes are supposed to be roughly 500 points, this is just GW spitting Admech in the face like they usually do. Also why can’t Tzeentch, Slaanesh, and Nurgle have a box? I didn’t know Khorne was literally all of demons.
The thousand sons combat patrol is actually pretty good as a starting point. The infernal master is an amazing hero that you need for almost any valid list. Scarab occult terminators are another valuable unit for the pure toughness and versatility. Now I have to address the big part. The 20 tzaangor, which I’m not insane about. They are a pretty good unit to have. The tzaangor are an amazing chaff unit and you can have 20 shots and 60 melee attacks hitting on threes with a tzaangor shaman.
1 rule with combat patrol, and the conversion factor of the models, the load outs are preset, so unless you are wanting them for any other games, then you are restricted to what each model can have. (using the app, it is in 'unit composition', on each models datasheets)
I played Orks in a league and really enjoyed them. They have a nice variety and hit hard enough for me to table my opponent in over half my games. I plan to play them again when the next league starts. Cons Deff Dread - Rokkit launcha and 3 dread klaws only. Orks - Can barely hit the broad side of a barn. Warboss Gordrang - All by himself with no one to attach to. Pros Deffkoptas - They have 6 dice each in close combat and during a WAAAGH! blood was sprayed everywhere. Deff Dread & Warboss Gordrang - Will tear through units like they are tissue and are hard to kill.
I just started building miniatures a few weeks ago and this video is a huge help! i am working on black templars and death guard. I took one long hard look at the death guard combat patrol and decided I didn’t want it. Good to know i made the right choice putting it back on the shelf. As for templars, i saw your video about the templar army box several weeks ago and it is still selling for about the same price as the combat patrol, with nearly identical model set but extra goodies, so i went and ordered it and have been happy building what i got. But i was debating whether to get the combat patrol too considering the impulser and transfer parts. So i was watching this hoping you would say “yeah totally get two of these” and you said you could use 3, so sounds like a plan to me!
I was literally looking at your older review of Combat Patrols last night wishing you'd do one for the updated boxes. I'm just now getting into Warhammer, and I really appreciate this info! I'm going with Space Wolves, even though I think their Combat Patrol could use more of the awesome unique units available for this faction. I'm going to use the more generic models to practice painting before I try to paint anything super awesome.
Wouldn't it be better if there were 2 combat patrol boxes for each faction? One that's heavy on infantry and one that's heavy on elite units? They can then call them "Combat Patrol" and "Combat Patrol: Elite Forces".
The Chaos Daemons Combat Patrol is basically a must-buy for Age of Sigmar: Blades of Khorne, too. Kill things, get killed, summon Khorne daemons for free, granted you own the models. It's basically everything in the summoning pool besides named characters or bloodthirsters.
Wow, is Jay ever dropping hot take after hot take here. Half of these he says the same thing as everyone else, and then you get to his opinions on the AdMech, Grey Knights, Custodes, etc. Hot damn
One benefit of the blood angel cp is the incursor screw also has infiltrator parts on it. Gives it the ability to turn those intercessors into infiltrators pretty easily for a bit of added variety.
I think you were pretty spot on with these and only sightly differed from my assesments. I do not however play killteam or 40K any longer. I play Necromunda Yaktribe rules, so pretty old school, but with a huge amount of flexibility. I have just decided to add the Fellgor killteam and a second Kroot killteam to my repetoire for a campaign I am going to run. The one combat patrol that interests me is the Genestealer Cult box.
I say the Astra Militarum ome as is, it is pretty good. You kinda need like, multiple of all these units. Maybe not the FOBs, they alright, but everything else you definitely want tons of.
Funny thing is I recently bought the Space Wolves combat Patrol cause it kinda fulfilled everything I needed at the time: - Had no intercessors cause I'm new - First purchase was the Phobos Strike Team so Reivers are actually wanted - I love Phobos and the only two Dreads I like are the Warsuit & the Ballistus Only thing I didn't want was the Space Wolves Character but it counts as a Lieutenant so that's fiiiine, it's fiiiine, I wanna swap it with someone but it's fiiiine. Will say, the way to make this sell: Put a Raven Guard name tag on it and photoshop the models black, best purchase for the emos. EDIT: I also remembered something, everything can lead everything else in this Combat Patrol. The Lieutenant can lead the Intercessors & the Reivers can lead the Warsuit. I know it's not actually 'leading' but the Warsuit is meant to follow Phobos units and punish firing on them, it's like a reverse leadership.
I don't understand the new DA box at all. They just released terminators, so swap the 10 intercessors for 5 terminators. Swap out the gravis captain for the bladeguard captain they just rereleased from Indomitus. Add in the new DA upgrade sprue to make those terminators into deathwing terminators, and you have a box that has roughly 40 more points in it, but actually functions without a floating captain. It doesn't have battleline, and swapping 10 intercessors for 5 terminators is less plastic, but it has a lot of things DA really like and it would also be applicable to any other chapter.
My "Tinfoil Hat" theory for the 10 Intercessors is essentially corporate overhead. Because if the basic Space Marine Combat Patrol doesn't have Intercessors, then they'll need to be put *somewhere* else. Maybe because they want it to be just as much a companion purchase for Leviathan as an actual Dark Angels box? Maybe because they already decided that Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Black Templars won't have Intercessors in their Combat Patrol boxes? I can't pinpoint any one exact reasoning behind it, but to me, this reaks of corporate overreach.
I honestly think it would be cool of gw to make it so that every combat patrols "warlord" was a unique character only accessible in the combat patrol boxset. That way there is always more of an emphasis on buying it to obtain that unique character. Some of these boxes felt lazily thrown together with whatever they could find in the moment when combat patrols are supposed to have a specific playstyle in mind just like a precon deck in magic
i got 3 of the first Dark Angels combat patrol and put a jet pack on one chaplain, kit bashed another with an Indomitus outrider, and kept one stock and got the blood angel combat patrol for my Space Marine army
I think, for Death Guard. If they took out 10 pox and replaced it with the 3 plague marine reinforcements, it would be a solid B tier box. There would be 2 x 5 man Plague Marines , 2 x 10 man poxwalkers and 2 characters. You have 2 characters that can each attach to the different units. It give s a good idea how characters work It's a solid base to work from. This Combat patrol, a box of blightlords a box of deathshroud and a MBH would be a solid ( and crunchy ) start for anyone starting D.G.
The Necron Combat Patrol is the Indomitus command edition Necrons with the Doom Stalker being an addition. Their old Combat Patrol box had a lot more variety, but don't know how well it fields on the table as I've yet to build a single mini out of it yet even after owning it for nearly 3 years lol.
I think getting the tyrannid and sm combat patrols in the ultimate starter pack alongside terrain, a game mat, and actual rules to play the game goes hard af
Got the ork box as a birthday gift and was pretty happy with it. Didn't really care for the warboss in mega armor, I personally would've liked the warboss with attack squig more. Favorite piece out of the box is the deff dredd. It is by far my favorite model in 40k. It's just a big chonky clunker and I love it.
The Grey Knight box is actually good but the sculpts for the army are old. But buy 4 of those boxes and you are mostly done and you will use every model except the characters u have multiple of
Someone probably already mentioned this: but the Tau box is changing to a Devilfish, Commander in Enforcer/Coldstar, 10 pathfinders and 10 firewarriors. I wonder if that may change your score..
What you need to remember with all the intercessors is that loads of us jumped on with Leviathan so we only have infernus marines at the moment and a deal on standard troops is well worth considering.
29:15 I feel like the Votann holiday box is what the combat patrol should have been. The vehicles and chunky elites are so core to the army that it’s weird that it’s all lightweights.
Seeing you are working on Death Guard now, what would be your perfect DG combat patrol? I personally hope they do a few new cultists and some sort of dread.
Most people worried that GW are going to change the contents of their Combat Patrol box in 10th edition: Oh no! Meanwhile, Tsons players: Please yes! 🙈
If your just getting into Death Guard, and you don't have any models, buy the dang combat patrol, just don't buy any more than one...build it, paint it, and by the time you are happy with the result you can nibble around the edges with stuff like a Rhino, a box of Chaos Spawn, a Helbrute, whatever, and by the time you have 500-750 points, there'll be a new CP out and you should be fine.
I was lucky, I got one of the last old Dark Angels CPs with the Dreadnought before they sold out. I was then gifted the new Dark Angels box on top of it. I picked up the Blood Angels CP as it pairs quite well with the new DA box as you can hook up that gravis captain with the Aggressors.
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned that buying a starter set and a terminator librarian box it only costs $148 and you get almost everything from the Tyranid combat patrol
agree with all of it except death guard, I have tons of death guard and the combat patrol isn't bad, if typhus leads a unit of poxwalkers and uses his eater plague, it counts as poxwalkers killing the enemies, so the poxwalker ability will activate causing all models killed by them will become poxwalkers. with that strategy in place, it makes the combat patrol seem a lot better.
I’ve played Warhammer 40K over 2 decades and combat patrol boxes are something that you can’t easily play games with. Battleforce boxes were the ones you could play with. These kits are for starter kit mainly.
I'm so pissed they nerfed the Battle Sister patrol. I built the one you reviewed in about 3 hours the night before a Combat Patrol day at my local games store. It was my first time playing, had a blast
Tau is amazing cause you can make breachers and ad cadre. The ethereal give a CP on a 4+. The ghost keel is near unkillable in big 40k. And the stealth suits are decent
I have a theory that they didn't include a vehicle in the Ad Mech box because they included the Dunecrawler in one of the previous 'start collecting' boxes, (honestly wouldn't have minded a second dunecrawler), so this combat patrol combined with that starting collecting box gives you a nice overall starting point for building out a pretty robust army.
As someone who's looking to get into Warhammer this video really helped me out! I'm down two either the Drew Cari/Dark Eldar and the Custodes boxes. Honestly, I might buy both.
Along with the value of a box. He calls the new Admech great when it is pitiful in points and discount, but then throws a hissy fit about not getting the extra five strike squad knights in GK when that box builds the whole army pretty much. I love this channel, but he clearly does not know enough about every faction to be presenting himself as an authority on this subject.
Yeah definitely, and he clearly doesnt know much about competitive play. Which isnt necessarily bad, but he seems to want to come across as if he does, lately. Also 'the new guys' about the sister box? What new guys is he on about?😅😅
@JavierEscuelIa yeah the Admech combat patrol is widely regarded as THE worst combat patrol. It's the same price as something like the Dark Eldar box but offers I think about barely 300 points worth of Miniatures. It's clear that Jay has never played Admech or so much as glanced at their codex.
Also he said he didn’t know that Combat Patrols were being replaced until Dark Angels, which could very well mean he didn’t even know the other mid Admech box existed before this one, and that one was x100 better than the new one
I was looking to get in the hobby, and from what I was looking at, the khorn demons box also can be played in the other systems they have besides 40k. Is this the only one of the boxes that you can do that with?
So many people in the comments misunderstanding the grading system. As he explained at the start, it's not just the points cost/viability in game, but also the variety of units, cool factor, and cohesion. Does the box give a good mix of units of all types the army has to offer? Does it look cool and varried, or have a "window shopping" appeal? Does the box give you nice numbers of models for a unit, or will it give you three and a half models of a unit that comes in groups of 20? Think of it like this; if the Start Collecting box is your appetizer for the meal that is sinking fully into a specific army, then the Combat Patrols are the sample platter. A little bit of everything so you can find what you like, all made to look as appealing as possible. Whether or not the cheese sampler is better than the wine sampler is a matter of taste and not the end all be all.
As a Death Guard player I will defend our Combat Patrol by say IF you want Typhus and his canonically Zombie Horde it's a great deal. But not a good place to start like Dark Imperium was. Hope some of that stuff comes back in the new box.
About the T'au box, you are right that it is very good. The Ghostkeel was very mediocre last edition, and it got a major glow up in 10th. It is very good for what it does. It isn't very killy, but it is a Lone Operative, so it can't be shot outside of 12" It is able to blank the damage of an incoming attack twice per game. You drop it on a middle objective. The opponent either has to devote a lot of resources to destroy it, in which case they are leaving gaps in other areas of the board which you can zoom ibti and exploit, or they just figure that the Ghostkeel is too annoying to kill and leave it there, in which case the Ghostkeel is scoring victory points. Pathfinders are actually pretty underderwhleming. Being able to build one of our killiest units (in terms of good AP and great number of shots), Breachers with a Devilfish for movement and a Fire Cadre to increase the number of shots by 50% are wonderful. Stealth Suits are very useful not for their rapid ingress ability, by for enabling For the Greater Good: the T'au mostly have native BS of 4+. For a shooting army, this is very bad. So our units that are our major shooters (Crisis Suits, Breachers, Hammerheads, etc.) need to have a complimentary unit to guide them, thus giving them +1BS. Stealth suits also allow the guided unit to reroll wound rolls of 1. With the new codex, Stealth Suits have been made even better. They are going to be an auto-include (unless someone is doing the meme of a Kroot army). They now allow wound *and* hit rerolls of 1.
One recommendation if people want to buy the space marine boxes but already have a lot of regular Intercessors. If you have access to a 3d printer, you could print out some bolt pistols and chainswords for the bodies and turn them into Assault Intercessors.
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What combat patrol do you recommend for a 1st timer who does not care about winning but rather focus on having fun?
My brother in Christ. The Death Guard combat patrol isn't even legal for combat patrol...
A Combat Patrol should feel like the first image you find when you google the army. Some manage that quite well. Others are... just 15 dudes in armor with guns.
"15 dudes in armor with guns" is what most of 40k is to me lmao
@@o7_AP Understandable xD But it does sometimes feel a bit "mid" when your other options are "16 dudes and 2 cool hoverbarges" or "a whole mixed arms regiment".
To be fair, the current tau patrol is 15 dudes in armour with guns and a giant mech, which represents the army pretty well.
@@HighEffortUsername Giant Mech makes everything awesome. I'd take a combat patrol with 20 Zangors if it had a mechanized Lord of Change in it.
@@JachymorDota Fair, I only started playing tau for the big robots
Space Marines (F) 1:36
Tyranids (C) 3:26
Necrons (A) 4:45
Adeptus Mechanicus (B) 5:52
Space Wolves (B) 7:10
Death Watch (D) 8:20
Blood Angels (A) 10:10
Death Guard (D) 11:20
Drukharii (A) 13:00
Adepta Sororitas (B) 14:00
Orks (B) 15:55
Black Templars (A) 17:40
T'au (A) 18:50
Thousand Sons (F) 20:30
Grey Knights (B-C) 22:00
Aledarii (A) 23:15
Adeptus Custodes (B) 24:23
Chaos Space Marines (C) 25:32
Genestealer Cults (A) 26:58
Chaoes Daemons (B) 27:49
Leagues of Votann (F)28:36
World Eaters (B) 28:42
Astra Militarum (A-B) 30:40
Dark Angels (C) 32:25
I dunno why i did this, maybe EoB reads this and adds the chapters to the vid :)
This is really helpful! Thank you for making this!
I don’t really get why he gave Tyranids a C, largely because most of the units in the box weren’t currently meta. Then immediately gave Necrons an A, even though the doom stalker was the only meta unit in the box.
i wouldnt interpret this list as a "this is the guide to buy a combat patrol to perform"
Jay isnt a meta gameplay channel, hes first and foremost a painter and modeller, so he ranks them how much fun he has painting and building them, he uses the christmas day building/painting example a lot, which is why the ranking highly deviates from the meta.
For example, from a modelling and painting perspective, i love the Admech box, its cool units with a decent saving over buying them all seperate. but if you take pts/$ and gameplay into account (which he didnt really do in general) then it will be obviously at the end of the list. @@rickkcir2151
thanks
You are an amazing person
As a mecanicus player, the cp SUCKS, the horses get wiped off the board in seconds, and these boxes total are about the cost of a combat patrol
Not to mention it's like 255 points. The old one was WAY better
@@anthonyvelasquez1277way better but even that one wasn't great it was also quite a ways under the point average for combat patrols
Turned it off when he said it was good...
Thank you for sharing this info about this faction. I'm a collector and haven't gotten to play yet so I don't know how the game operates yet. I will still purchase this box once I'm done with the old combat patrol box, because I do love mechanicus! Here's hoping they get a little bit more love after apparently being nerfed into the ground according to my friend. I hope some day I can play with someone! 😊
Honestly the two different start collecting boxes where better than the combat patrol, but even then there really hasn’t been a good way to collect admech with how they are designed rules wise
Do you know how bad it has to be for EoB to say it stinks?
Usually he just said fine in a sad or defeated way.
Yeah, it hit me like a train. Never knew Jay could be so harsh 😭
It's nice from James Workshop to give you some thousand sons space marines with the Zangor combat patrol
Tzaangor* 🤓
@@DaBlueIghuana Disgusting mutants that must be purged, for the emperor and sanguinius*🤓
literally couldn't have said it better myself
To quote "the tier of: oops all Zangor"
I know everyone gets hot and bothered about points, but I just wish they all felt like a fair amount of plastic. The Vehicle (centerpiece), Infantry, Elite, Character should be the platonic ideal of a combat patrol. From there, fill in with extras so all boxes are close in weight and volume.
The combat patrols were pitched as competitive (at least point wise) with each other though, something you can just buy one box each and battle your friends, but in actuality it has hugely varying points and at least with Admech, has half the points they’re supposed to, not to mention half the time they throw a random leader in space marine boxes without even thinking about if they can attach to any units in the box
@@deathspace985the points thing imo comes down to some armies being way more expensive. They probably should just bite the bullet if they actually want combat patrol to be a playable game mode that they can’t all be costed the same, or just embrace them as primarily a value box.
Regardless though, they should all at least have leaders that can attach to units in the box. That problem irks me to no end, especially since leaders don’t give themselves their abilities when they’re alone.
For the Space Marines you might as well buy the ultimate starter set. In the UK it’s only £35 more and you get the terrain, the Tyranid combat patrol, all the dice, rules, game board etc. much better value.
Plus you could sell the Tyranid if you don't want them
you could also get the smaller starter kit, you're cheaper off + u get nids only losing 1 marine, buying that marine seperately is already cheaper but u can also sell or trade the remaining nids
Dude the one for 60 quid is better than the combat patrol too, you get loads of models but no teraine
@@joeygamingnl2724 u get all but the lybrarian in terminator armor and! the 5 Barbgaunts are also not included in the cheaper starter box!
Grey Knights patrol is fantastic. There are people who have bought 3 or 4 of these - all of the sprues minus the librarian can be built in as a bunch of different units. Grandmaster or Regular Dreadknight. Strike Marines/Interceptors/Purgators/purifiers. Terminators/Paladins.
A little kitbashing can turn the Librarian into a chaplain or other character. Really solid. Getting your whole army at a discount is really good.
It’s because he doesn’t play Grey Knights so he doesn’t know how good that box is
Northern Exile can vouch for that.
No, it should have had 5 more strike marine bodies to even the model number out with others.
Yep, GK combat patrol is probably the best in this list..you buy three and have a really nice army.
Favorite quote I heard about the BA combat patrol "it's a solid combat patrol, but it's not blood angels"
The Blood Angels combat patrol is S tier for me considering the batshit deal it is for just about every chapter.
Spend $160, sell the upgrades and transfers for $30 and you spent $130 on $240 worth of plastic.
2x boxes = $260 for $480 worth of models.
Gives one full intercessors squad which most armies run, 1 full incursors squad, and two squads of aggressors (scary good) The librarian models can be easily kitbashed into army appropriate characters, and if you don't want a second Impulsor, you can probably sell that too for $50 bringing your grand total down to $210
@@travis8106but it’s still not blood angels
Blood angels combat patrol is actually just what everyone wanted space marines combat patrol to be 😂
Notably, the Tau combat patrol will be changing once the codex officially drops. New contents are 10 fire warriors, 10 Pathfinders, 1 coldstar/enforcer commander and a devilfish
imo its a great CP and will pick one up only after i paint my current minis.
@@B1-997 I think I personally prefer the current one. But I have a real love for the ghostkeel so I'm biased
@@Triptides77 i like the ghostkeel too, but not enough to get the current CP, maybe it was the overall stealth theme the box went with that turned me off.
Yep, that's the one I got 2 weeks ago.
Only it's 10 Breachers/Strike team instead of Fire Warriors.
I think you could make some slight improvements to the space marine patrol if you replaced the infernus squad with 10 infiltrators, replaced the terminators with 3 eliminators, replaced the librarian with 3 suppressors, replaced the captain with a phobos captain and threw in an impulsor
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here before the joke goes over someone’s head
"it's a lot of pox walkers- it's like if the Ork combat patrol came with a bunch of Gretchen" that's literally what I want Jay, ya don't understand Orkz!!!
Man, I really wish you could run a Gretchen-only army. In Warhammer Fantasy and AoS, Goblins are sometimes the underfoot type in larger greens) Greenskin warbands that are dominated by Orks. But there are also entire tribes of just Goblins, some that are quite powerful.
I think a unit of grots in the box would be nice, but too many would be annoying since they shouldn't be the focus unless they get more rules intended to use them on their own and it is a separate box from the normal one.
I would kill for new Gretchin sculpts, so many cool little grots elsewhere where in the GW range, but those monopose ones are ancient.
@@lukesevern3923 I'm still running the old metal grots, and most people can't tell they aren't the 'new' box until they pick them up.
The new Admech one isnt even 300 points :(
Super displeased with admechs treatment by GW this time around. Fun models but
No matter what gw does to my golden boys, I'll always remember that it could be worse. Hope GW does you guys justice next time
Jays take on admech was garbage, clearly has no idea
It’s like a $10 discount to
I would say -F it isn't a Patrole and Probably not a Unit even you put all Modells in one
Those havocs come with 2 (TWO) of euch heavy weapon and you can fully magnetize the hellbrute with minimal effort; as an old school chaos dude, this box was nice for getting lots of the "new" upscaled marines for cheap
Psychophage and Norn are criminally underpowered for how awesome the models are
Imagine thinking the ad mech got a good combat patrol lmao
He should watch Auspex Tactics and Poorhammer to make this list and not look silly.
255 FUCKING POINTS 😭
@@Adler87or people could have different opinions based on different criteria
@@tankmleehe gave the Death Guard CP a better grade than the Votann, and as a Death Guard player.... That's flat out wrong
@@wholesomecomment45ya idk why leagues of votann got rated so low. The discount value is fine, you’d totally be fine running the models in it, the character can actually attach to a bodyguard unit in the box, and it has pretty core parts of the army. The points value is low if you’re actually playing combat patrol, but that’s just due to votann being super expensive. Deathguard is pretty bad. It’s better than combat patrol tzaangors, at least the characters can attach to units, 30 pox walkers is too many and the fact that plague marines only can be sold in 7 mans is basically a hit against anything that has them, votann is definitely better for everything except points value, but again that’s just because votann are super expensive across the board.
The Grey Knight box is pretty great since you can get an entire army from just 2-3 of it tbh. It's value has taken a hit since the 2 or 3 price hikes they've done for Combat Patrols.
my collection of GK is 3 boxes plus some other stuff... next to custodes its one of the best
Theres also extra value in the fact that its the only place to find the “old” librarian in terminator armor which fits the scale of the army a bit better. Also no one takes strike squads in 10s anymore. Its usually 1 or 2 5 mans rn
@@MeatbagKillaXD very true
@@MeatbagKillaXD and with the strikes you get 5 of each back pack... you can either magnetize the packs or kitbash for 5 of each...
Jay: "All 40k armies now have their combat patrol"
Me: Cries in chaos knights
They have a CP, it's called one knight
Also nice to see a fellow chaos knight player
Can you bring one knight to a combat patrol game? That sounds very fun
@@jacobjohnston3983 No you cannot. Combat patrol has different rules than regular 40k
@@jacobjohnston3983 no sadly it was just a joke
Having just played a combat patrol tournament yesterday(my first) it was a ton of fun so this video comes at just the right time
When you said you were going to rate their crunchiness, for a split second I thought you wanted to eat them.
Sleep deprivation is fun.
8/10 for mouth feel.
"all 40k armies now have their combat patrols"
*cries in salamander*
(I know we have the regular space marine box but it sucks)
It’s better to buy the starter box from 10th edition because for less expensive you can have the same without the librarian but with many tyrannids as well
You can even buy the termie librarian at retail and it is still cheaper.
More than that, you essentially get both the tyranid and SM combat patrols, a board to play on, and terrain. It's actually a really good way to get into the hobby.
@@tylerchadwell1267 that is only if you get the ultimate box. The the regular one is missing the librarian and barbgaunts. They put paint in the mini set just to jack the price vs last edition's.
I agree with most of what you said.
World Eaters has a great deal. 20 Bizerkers, you can't beat that. Except with the Genestealer Cult Combat Patrol box. That is a solid A. 20 Neophytes and 5 Abhorrents, and the rockgrinder transport.
And all lead by the sexy Magus.
Great value.
Great video.
The Ad Mech combat patrol is a solid F tier box. Not sure how it got a B here but it can’t be played as a 500 point army, which was the entire point of combat patrols. God help you if you picked this up to play against a friend and they grabbed the custodies or demons box
It blows my mind that any of these boxes are considered acceptable at the $160 price point...even with the discounts you get from various stores.
and with some of them *looks at the mechanicus CP* you dont even have enough points to play combat patrol, forcing you to buy even more kits to fill out the rest of the points.
I am once again asking for a Orikan, Trazyn painting video
until i watched it i thought thats what the valentines video was
One day, one day
Not interested in necrons but I support you in your request
Definitely was a surprise to see the new DA box not come with any of the new models, and an actually useless HQ mini. 5 Deathwing Knights with a Termie Captain and something meaty to flesh it out (Brutalis/Ballistus Dread or some heavy shooters) would've made more sense.
A regular Grey Knight Army is almost literally 3 Combat Patrols. Add a Castellan Crowe, make 10 of those Strike Squads into Purifiers, keep the other 5 as Strike Squad, get an Assassin and run 2 of the 3 Dreadknights? That's a competitive list right there.
Side note: If you want to start a Genestealer Cult Necromunda gang then the box is currently the cheapest way in to be able to try all sorts of different gangers. Probably not the best use of the box, but if you're really itching for that then it does give you a great foundation to customize nearly everything.
The space marines and tyranids CP's feel like "if you missed out on the leviathan box, you can get the discounted version"
Except you can get both of the combat patrols in the ultimate starter set for cheaper along with terrain
@@pixelfille3130 Agreed, as long at we're still in 10th edition, there is no reason to buy those boxes.
@@intzbk1 and when the edition shifts, the CP box will likely be changed too, so the starter box will be changed too.
@@yhormthemidget Lol! Too true! 😅
I feel like it’s exists to scare you into buying leviathan with a friend, like “if you missed out, you’re stuck with this”
You get the Wraithlord, not the Wraithknight in the Aeldari Combat Patrol. The Wraithknight is the 100£ Aeldari. Wraithlord is only 45.
A wraithknight in a Combat Patrol box would be insane
Grey Knight Box is an A easy. You get two of those you’re basically set for an army.
The Admech one is pants for anyone saying otherwise, its like 250 pts in game. which is a shame as their one of my favourite armies. i must of picked up 3 or 4 of the old start collecting that included the dunecrawler, this CP should have had the floaty tank in it aswell
Thank you for not shitting on the sisters box, i've heard some strange takes on it, i think its a banger!
I bought two of them on ebay for cheap (without the rhinos, I have enough already) to go with the sisters from the Piety and Pain box.
The sisters box is a bit strange though, I think in a way it become better if you buy it twice because then at least you have slightly larger units of repentia and flagelants. Of course then you do run into the mono pose issue of your units but I guess that isn't the worst thing in the world. At least it offers a good saving and a nice mixture of different models.
Just got the DG combat patrol to add to my army just cause I needed typhus and the putrifier, but the poxwqlkers was fun to paint in all honesty. Liking the box myself. Wish it had a blight hauler or some kind of vehicle.
If they take out a 2 squads of poxwalkers and add a blight hauler and a bloat drone that’d be perfect
While the models included in Admech are wonderful, that’s where all the praise ends. The most expensive army in the game, and unlike GSC who makes their combat patrol accessible to play the rest of the army, Admech gives you 270 points at most for $160. If these boxes are supposed to be roughly 500 points, this is just GW spitting Admech in the face like they usually do.
Also why can’t Tzeentch, Slaanesh, and Nurgle have a box? I didn’t know Khorne was literally all of demons.
I mean, at least nurgle has death guard and tzeentch has thousand sons, slaanesh has nothinf
I'm absolutely in love with my Death Gaurd patrol i went out and bought more pox walkers for it.
1) Noise Marine Combat patrol?
2) For April, I'd love builders to do Word bearers with the theme of birds?
Why? Emperor’s Children isn’t a real army.
Not yet, not yet...@@SuperDuperHappyTime
@@qw3rty829 Im sorry but I want skaven like GW GIVE US BIG RAT FRIENDS
I'd settle for a noise marine kill team. But holding out hope we get a full emperors children release sometime in the near future.
Emperor's children is definitely coming. Perhaps this year
The thousand sons combat patrol is actually pretty good as a starting point. The infernal master is an amazing hero that you need for almost any valid list. Scarab occult terminators are another valuable unit for the pure toughness and versatility. Now I have to address the big part. The 20 tzaangor, which I’m not insane about. They are a pretty good unit to have. The tzaangor are an amazing chaff unit and you can have 20 shots and 60 melee attacks hitting on threes with a tzaangor shaman.
Jay, it would have been AWESOME if the Ork box came with 30 grots.
They did an all-Kroot detachment and army box, is a Grot-box too much to ask for?
1 rule with combat patrol, and the conversion factor of the models, the load outs are preset, so unless you are wanting them for any other games, then you are restricted to what each model can have. (using the app, it is in 'unit composition', on each models datasheets)
I played Orks in a league and really enjoyed them. They have a nice variety and hit hard enough for me to table my opponent in over half my games. I plan to play them again when the next league starts.
Cons
Deff Dread - Rokkit launcha and 3 dread klaws only.
Orks - Can barely hit the broad side of a barn.
Warboss Gordrang - All by himself with no one to attach to.
Pros
Deffkoptas - They have 6 dice each in close combat and during a WAAAGH! blood was sprayed everywhere.
Deff Dread & Warboss Gordrang - Will tear through units like they are tissue and are hard to kill.
I just started building miniatures a few weeks ago and this video is a huge help! i am working on black templars and death guard. I took one long hard look at the death guard combat patrol and decided I didn’t want it. Good to know i made the right choice putting it back on the shelf. As for templars, i saw your video about the templar army box several weeks ago and it is still selling for about the same price as the combat patrol, with nearly identical model set but extra goodies, so i went and ordered it and have been happy building what i got. But i was debating whether to get the combat patrol too considering the impulser and transfer parts. So i was watching this hoping you would say “yeah totally get two of these” and you said you could use 3, so sounds like a plan to me!
I was literally looking at your older review of Combat Patrols last night wishing you'd do one for the updated boxes. I'm just now getting into Warhammer, and I really appreciate this info! I'm going with Space Wolves, even though I think their Combat Patrol could use more of the awesome unique units available for this faction. I'm going to use the more generic models to practice painting before I try to paint anything super awesome.
Wouldn't it be better if there were 2 combat patrol boxes for each faction? One that's heavy on infantry and one that's heavy on elite units?
They can then call them "Combat Patrol" and "Combat Patrol: Elite Forces".
The Chaos Daemons Combat Patrol is basically a must-buy for Age of Sigmar: Blades of Khorne, too. Kill things, get killed, summon Khorne daemons for free, granted you own the models. It's basically everything in the summoning pool besides named characters or bloodthirsters.
Wow, is Jay ever dropping hot take after hot take here. Half of these he says the same thing as everyone else, and then you get to his opinions on the AdMech, Grey Knights, Custodes, etc. Hot damn
I know it’s not *technically* a combat patrol, but I would have liked to see how the Chainbreaker Lance box got ranked.
One benefit of the blood angel cp is the incursor screw also has infiltrator parts on it. Gives it the ability to turn those intercessors into infiltrators pretty easily for a bit of added variety.
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I think you were pretty spot on with these and only sightly differed from my assesments. I do not however play killteam or 40K any longer. I play Necromunda Yaktribe rules, so pretty old school, but with a huge amount of flexibility. I have just decided to add the Fellgor killteam and a second Kroot killteam to my repetoire for a campaign I am going to run. The one combat patrol that interests me is the Genestealer Cult box.
I say the Astra Militarum ome as is, it is pretty good. You kinda need like, multiple of all these units. Maybe not the FOBs, they alright, but everything else you definitely want tons of.
Exactly, I just wish it included a chimera because it would make more sense. FOBs are pretty good though and I'm glad I own them
Thanx for making this. It's probably boring to make, but, it's useful for us!
Funny thing is I recently bought the Space Wolves combat Patrol cause it kinda fulfilled everything I needed at the time:
- Had no intercessors cause I'm new
- First purchase was the Phobos Strike Team so Reivers are actually wanted
- I love Phobos and the only two Dreads I like are the Warsuit & the Ballistus
Only thing I didn't want was the Space Wolves Character but it counts as a Lieutenant so that's fiiiine, it's fiiiine, I wanna swap it with someone but it's fiiiine.
Will say, the way to make this sell: Put a Raven Guard name tag on it and photoshop the models black, best purchase for the emos.
EDIT: I also remembered something, everything can lead everything else in this Combat Patrol. The Lieutenant can lead the Intercessors & the Reivers can lead the Warsuit. I know it's not actually 'leading' but the Warsuit is meant to follow Phobos units and punish firing on them, it's like a reverse leadership.
I don't understand the new DA box at all. They just released terminators, so swap the 10 intercessors for 5 terminators. Swap out the gravis captain for the bladeguard captain they just rereleased from Indomitus. Add in the new DA upgrade sprue to make those terminators into deathwing terminators, and you have a box that has roughly 40 more points in it, but actually functions without a floating captain. It doesn't have battleline, and swapping 10 intercessors for 5 terminators is less plastic, but it has a lot of things DA really like and it would also be applicable to any other chapter.
Yeah, I don't get why there were no DA exclusive units into the patrol.
My "Tinfoil Hat" theory for the 10 Intercessors is essentially corporate overhead. Because if the basic Space Marine Combat Patrol doesn't have Intercessors, then they'll need to be put *somewhere* else. Maybe because they want it to be just as much a companion purchase for Leviathan as an actual Dark Angels box? Maybe because they already decided that Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Black Templars won't have Intercessors in their Combat Patrol boxes? I can't pinpoint any one exact reasoning behind it, but to me, this reaks of corporate overreach.
I honestly think it would be cool of gw to make it so that every combat patrols "warlord" was a unique character only accessible in the combat patrol boxset. That way there is always more of an emphasis on buying it to obtain that unique character. Some of these boxes felt lazily thrown together with whatever they could find in the moment when combat patrols are supposed to have a specific playstyle in mind just like a precon deck in magic
i got 3 of the first Dark Angels combat patrol and put a jet pack on one chaplain, kit bashed another with an Indomitus outrider, and kept one stock and got the blood angel combat patrol for my Space Marine army
I think, for Death Guard. If they took out 10 pox and replaced it with the 3 plague marine reinforcements, it would be a solid B tier box.
There would be 2 x 5 man Plague Marines , 2 x 10 man poxwalkers and 2 characters.
You have 2 characters that can each attach to the different units. It give s a good idea how characters work
It's a solid base to work from. This Combat patrol, a box of blightlords a box of deathshroud and a MBH would be a solid ( and crunchy ) start for anyone starting D.G.
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The Necron Combat Patrol is the Indomitus command edition Necrons with the Doom Stalker being an addition. Their old Combat Patrol box had a lot more variety, but don't know how well it fields on the table as I've yet to build a single mini out of it yet even after owning it for nearly 3 years lol.
I think getting the tyrannid and sm combat patrols in the ultimate starter pack alongside terrain, a game mat, and actual rules to play the game goes hard af
Typhus with those pox walkers is a never ending cycle of zombies!
Got the ork box as a birthday gift and was pretty happy with it.
Didn't really care for the warboss in mega armor, I personally would've liked the warboss with attack squig more.
Favorite piece out of the box is the deff dredd. It is by far my favorite model in 40k. It's just a big chonky clunker and I love it.
The Grey Knight box is actually good but the sculpts for the army are old. But buy 4 of those boxes and you are mostly done and you will use every model except the characters u have multiple of
Someone probably already mentioned this: but the Tau box is changing to a Devilfish, Commander in Enforcer/Coldstar, 10 pathfinders and 10 firewarriors. I wonder if that may change your score..
What you need to remember with all the intercessors is that loads of us jumped on with Leviathan so we only have infernus marines at the moment and a deal on standard troops is well worth considering.
29:15 I feel like the Votann holiday box is what the combat patrol should have been. The vehicles and chunky elites are so core to the army that it’s weird that it’s all lightweights.
Im just getting started in the hobby with a necron C P and glad to hear it was a good buy
How to tell someone you've never looked at an Admech or Greyknights Codex:
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Prolly should've looked if it was good before ordering it, but I'm glad to see that the Adeptus Mechanicus is a pretty good combat patrol!
Just bought my first box of 40k, tyranid neurogaunts, if I like the game gonna ask for the tyranid combat patrol for Christmas
Seeing you are working on Death Guard now, what would be your perfect DG combat patrol? I personally hope they do a few new cultists and some sort of dread.
Think for me I would like to see one of the drones or the blight hauler as the lil tank in the box.
Most people worried that GW are going to change the contents of their Combat Patrol box in 10th edition: Oh no!
Meanwhile, Tsons players: Please yes! 🙈
If your just getting into Death Guard, and you don't have any models, buy the dang combat patrol, just don't buy any more than one...build it, paint it, and by the time you are happy with the result you can nibble around the edges with stuff like a Rhino, a box of Chaos Spawn, a Helbrute, whatever, and by the time you have 500-750 points, there'll be a new CP out and you should be fine.
I was lucky, I got one of the last old Dark Angels CPs with the Dreadnought before they sold out. I was then gifted the new Dark Angels box on top of it. I picked up the Blood Angels CP as it pairs quite well with the new DA box as you can hook up that gravis captain with the Aggressors.
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned that buying a starter set and a terminator librarian box it only costs $148 and you get almost everything from the Tyranid combat patrol
agree with all of it except death guard, I have tons of death guard and the combat patrol isn't bad, if typhus leads a unit of poxwalkers and uses his eater plague, it counts as poxwalkers killing the enemies, so the poxwalker ability will activate causing all models killed by them will become poxwalkers. with that strategy in place, it makes the combat patrol seem a lot better.
I bought the Adeptus Mechanicus box, and I love it. I added on a Grav-y boat and I'm going to mostly use it in bits & pieces for Necromunda not 40K.
I’ve played Warhammer 40K over 2 decades and combat patrol boxes are something that you can’t easily play games with. Battleforce boxes were the ones you could play with. These kits are for starter kit mainly.
I'm so pissed they nerfed the Battle Sister patrol. I built the one you reviewed in about 3 hours the night before a Combat Patrol day at my local games store. It was my first time playing, had a blast
The only one I think you got wrong was Grey Knights. That combat patrol is easily on par with the Genestealer Cults box. It's amazing
I always thought that the grey knights cp was basically legendary in value. Like, you can buy three of them and have a meta 2k army.
Tau is amazing cause you can make breachers and ad cadre. The ethereal give a CP on a 4+. The ghost keel is near unkillable in big 40k. And the stealth suits are decent
Jay... Orks dont have plasma weapons.
Maybe meant the Kustom Megablasta idk lol
I own the T'au and thr previous Dark Angels boxes so I must agree wtirh your grading scale.
I have a theory that they didn't include a vehicle in the Ad Mech box because they included the Dunecrawler in one of the previous 'start collecting' boxes, (honestly wouldn't have minded a second dunecrawler), so this combat patrol combined with that starting collecting box gives you a nice overall starting point for building out a pretty robust army.
As someone who's looking to get into Warhammer this video really helped me out! I'm down two either the Drew Cari/Dark Eldar and the Custodes boxes. Honestly, I might buy both.
For someone who talks about 'what is good' that much
You really say a looooot of weird stuff about the meta and genuine competitive play😂
Along with the value of a box. He calls the new Admech great when it is pitiful in points and discount, but then throws a hissy fit about not getting the extra five strike squad knights in GK when that box builds the whole army pretty much. I love this channel, but he clearly does not know enough about every faction to be presenting himself as an authority on this subject.
Yeah definitely, and he clearly doesnt know much about competitive play. Which isnt necessarily bad, but he seems to want to come across as if he does, lately.
Also 'the new guys' about the sister box? What new guys is he on about?😅😅
@JavierEscuelIa yeah the Admech combat patrol is widely regarded as THE worst combat patrol. It's the same price as something like the Dark Eldar box but offers I think about barely 300 points worth of Miniatures.
It's clear that Jay has never played Admech or so much as glanced at their codex.
Also he said he didn’t know that Combat Patrols were being replaced until Dark Angels, which could very well mean he didn’t even know the other mid Admech box existed before this one, and that one was x100 better than the new one
I was looking to get in the hobby, and from what I was looking at, the khorn demons box also can be played in the other systems they have besides 40k. Is this the only one of the boxes that you can do that with?
So many people in the comments misunderstanding the grading system.
As he explained at the start, it's not just the points cost/viability in game, but also the variety of units, cool factor, and cohesion.
Does the box give a good mix of units of all types the army has to offer?
Does it look cool and varried, or have a "window shopping" appeal?
Does the box give you nice numbers of models for a unit, or will it give you three and a half models of a unit that comes in groups of 20?
Think of it like this; if the Start Collecting box is your appetizer for the meal that is sinking fully into a specific army, then the Combat Patrols are the sample platter. A little bit of everything so you can find what you like, all made to look as appealing as possible.
Whether or not the cheese sampler is better than the wine sampler is a matter of taste and not the end all be all.
As a Death Guard player I will defend our Combat Patrol by say IF you want Typhus and his canonically Zombie Horde it's a great deal. But not a good place to start like Dark Imperium was. Hope some of that stuff comes back in the new box.
Going to do my first army which are necrons, what other units are very good to reach the 2k point mark?
The Admech combat patrol is 255pts... Out of 500 for combat patrol games...
"it's enough"
No. No it absolutely f***king isn't.
GW: "it's enough if you buy 2"
I'd love to see you ranking all the vanguard/spearhead boxes!
About the T'au box, you are right that it is very good. The Ghostkeel was very mediocre last edition, and it got a major glow up in 10th. It is very good for what it does. It isn't very killy, but it is a Lone Operative, so it can't be shot outside of 12"
It is able to blank the damage of an incoming attack twice per game. You drop it on a middle objective. The opponent either has to devote a lot of resources to destroy it, in which case they are leaving gaps in other areas of the board which you can zoom ibti and exploit, or they just figure that the Ghostkeel is too annoying to kill and leave it there, in which case the Ghostkeel is scoring victory points.
Pathfinders are actually pretty underderwhleming. Being able to build one of our killiest units (in terms of good AP and great number of shots), Breachers with a Devilfish for movement and a Fire Cadre to increase the number of shots by 50% are wonderful.
Stealth Suits are very useful not for their rapid ingress ability, by for enabling For the Greater Good: the T'au mostly have native BS of 4+. For a shooting army, this is very bad. So our units that are our major shooters (Crisis Suits, Breachers, Hammerheads, etc.) need to have a complimentary unit to guide them, thus giving them +1BS. Stealth suits also allow the guided unit to reroll wound rolls of 1. With the new codex, Stealth Suits have been made even better. They are going to be an auto-include (unless someone is doing the meme of a Kroot army). They now allow wound *and* hit rerolls of 1.
i think the aeldari and the tau box sets are pretty class!
One recommendation if people want to buy the space marine boxes but already have a lot of regular Intercessors. If you have access to a 3d printer, you could print out some bolt pistols and chainswords for the bodies and turn them into Assault Intercessors.
3:14 "it comes with models" rofl