2016 Porsche 911 Carrera S: Have Turbos Killed The Magic? - Carfection
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2016
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Porsche's gone turbo on the 911, so we thought it was best to have a look to see how much the iconic car has changed with a new, forced induced heart.
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Most of the people who complain are the ones who haven't even sat in one
Nonsense. The NA sounds much better and the feeling when driven is incomparable.
Correct or even owned one lol
Does that mean they can’t have an opinion??
I somehow suddenly imagined a mob of angry 911 enthusiast with pitchforks and torches screaming "Heresy!! Witchcraft!!"
+cominacatcha That moment when you remember a line from a car review that is 2 years old but you don't remember what you studied yesterday.
Your joke is older than James may.
+BlackWind
I own a GT3 that is several years old and was considering buy a 911 Carrera next year.
But that now looks to be of the table. I hate turbo's in performance cars. It is one of the reasons I have an RS5 but even the new RS5 may be going down the turbo routes.
I have no problems with Porsche doing turbo's but to have all of there cars as turbo (barring GT3) is just insane.
Even Ferrari is going down the turbo route.
+bighands69 all the cars in the future are gonna be turbocharged , hybrid or electric... Is the future get used to it.
James May quote at Top gear on Porsche
Definitely you had hard time filming in such unpleasant weather. Thank you.
+Carfection Couldn't you postpone it?
Just seeing the typical english weather in a video is depressing.
+Carfection whenever you don't feel like going out in the rain in a new 911 call me, i'll spare you the suffering
***** i'd happily do their job too :)
buggeroff It is when you're supposed to review a sportscar and you cant drive it how it's supposed to be driven because of the weather. Also, SUN >>>>>> RAIN
RIP to one of the best sounding cars on the planet.
2:15 shots fired at us who still complain about the Carfection name lol
Great job on filming in the rain. It made for some really near perspectives and a nice change in scenery. Thanks for a good review.
Well I have owned a 997.2 turbo s and a 991 turbo and how special these cars are !! The performance in both speed and handling of these turbo's is just simply outstanding. That is only going to be diluted by all 911s now having a turbo...it just won't be the same for those of us that have driven the "real thing". That Porsche turbo mystic now becomes just standard equipment. You can now buy a base 911 and tune it ( ecu , headers, exhaust, intake plenum ) for about $11-12,000 and have a 500hp+ beast! My 991 turbo was tuned to 650hp and it was a under 3 second animal! The tuning wonders of turbo's😄
Great to hear Mr. Alex's 2 cents regarding the new 3.0tt Carrera S cars. The 911 range turbo motors are welcome in the high elevations of Colorado.At my driveway its 8,200ft ... My MY98 911 (993) C2S 3.6l is sucking wind .... output power is off by -20% or more. Say -3% for every 1,000ft above sea level. Turbo charging offsets this elevation negative somewhat. Go ahead Porsche AG .... turbo charge everything ......
Amazing video with nice cinematography! Nice video yet again
Some scathing one-liners in there - I loved it. Nice job!
That steering wheel is fabulous.
And that manual transmission god yes.
But please UK journalists, for the love of god, settle somewhere the roads are not soaking wet 90% of the time.
*****
South of France is not that far.
+Carfection chck weather and schedule on a dry day or dry part of the day. Jmo
+Dédé LABINOUZE Ha ha ha. You think there's a place in the UK like that.
+Dédé LABINOUZE yea hang on a second let me just ask David Cameron if he can stop the rain so carfection can shoot a video you melt
For a turbo car, you might want the PDk to keeping rpm high.
Glad you're back
Brilliant review, answered all the questions I had about the new turbo engines.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG!!!
That opening line was class :-) well done, great video!
+Carfection Haha, good laugh though for 911 owners :-p Not what makes the video great, but a nice touch nonetheless.
great video and love the review... you rock bro.
I Could listen to this guy all day. Subscribed.
love the new tail lights and engine cover.
Nice job on a comprehensive review. It's that "angry feeling" I would miss.
So it's not a 911 turbo but it has two turbos so it is but it isn't...
Porsche logic.
They can't just change every single name.
Should have the new 911 turbo as a 911 turbo turbo
+Jackie Scholl That's not true. They called it the turbo because it literally had a turbo, unlike the rest of the lineups. Of course now, it has caused confusion.
In the future it will be. It's not a 4S but it has AWD , so it is and isn't....
+xDAAAZEx or super turbo
The 991.2 is just the natural progression of the 911. You may not get that NA sound but the benefits of the turbo engine is definitely worth the sacrifice. It's faster, more fuel efficient, more connected and less steer by wire. I think Porsche is just embracing the change and the final product is pretty damn awesome!
No thats what happens when ur biased and blinded by love for a brand. Its a sports car no one cares about fuel effeciency, or faster, the sound is a huge part of the driving experience, the theatre, what seperates iconic supercars from normal cars.
It will be interesting to see what the Cayman is like with the new turbo. Thanks for a nice balanced view on the new 911, it looks lovely.
Fabulous. Love the car, great segment -- thank you!
one day you should release the playlist of your background tracks, soooooooo good!
Is that Phil Collins ?
+Carfection but, nearly? we need more songs.
Well done gents, job well done!
props to the camera men
this video wasn't as informative as I would have hoped..
+Nik Brudar Enough to make me decide which is which, so.....
David MuscleGuy which is which?
Nik Brudar non turbo.
+Nik Brudar XCAR and now Carfection was never really about that. Their reviews have always been rooted in the intangibles about the love of cars and that's why I keep coming back.
Prashanth Panicker Yes, that is true!
Thanks for the review!!!
Nice review (as always with Alex) and filming!
As for the car.. I fell in love with it the moment it was released, exactly in that colour as in the video (though I'd prefer some other colour for the interior). And I don't care about the turbos. Porsche know how to make brilliant cars, so I am sure this one is no exception.
+carfection Great video as always, also the 911 actually sounds quite nice.
Great job on the review. Fabulous car! (own a 2005 997 S)
you are doing a great job never mind the inclement weather.
For a facelift, this generation has a lot of new stuff available. Mostly multimedia and safety things. That is great and all. But the emotion part definitely took a hit.
Even my sales guy told me that they now have to start selling the cars differently. They can't just let the potential customer go out for a drive with PSE on and then come back and sign the contract.
With this change, even though I love the new design, the 911 is not an attractive offering anymore. It's more a GT car now. The GT3 models are the only interesting 911s now. And with the turbos coming to the mid-engined models soon, there is pretty much no attractive Porsche left apart from the most extreme ones. Sad.
I hope once the batteries get lighter they ditch the turbos again and use NA engines with additional E-motors, like in the 918. That would be my preferred solution if you have to meet those useless emission regulations.
My fear is the 997.2 C4S & C4GTS cars will start becoming more expensive before I get to buy mine.
+slaWterCH
It is politics that is killing cars.
It is fake environmentalism that is driving all of this.
Yeah 911 must go hybrid, that is the more logical next step
+RaphProgListener
E-Motors are perfect for everyday family usage. And they have exceptional performance.
But they lack the sound of a ICE. That is their weakness as a sports car.
Porsche NA cars have always sound amazing. They have a pure sports grunt about them that is purely natural.
Good on ya for the honest review! I'm excited for 2-reasons- Easy to get more HP out of a turbo car. My 996 might start increasing in value! =)
Change is always hard but Porsche 911 is always going to be iconic. A lot smashed on the PDKS in the GT3's but after experiencing it they wouldn't go back. I feel Porsche will continue to be very desirable and continue to make incredible sports cars. I do prefer NA engines like my GT3 but would love to have a 991 Turbo S as well.
Alex Goy + Porsche = Carfection
I think the performance exhaust doesn't look good. I prefer the 4 exhaust system, looks much better
Love the shot at 2:17 at the whingeing about the name!
Nice video like always... I can't wait to c u review the new bmw m2
+Carfection i beg you let me join your team. ✌
I do like Porsche and i think the new look is an evolution and it's like fine tuning. The main question I have is that with them now adding turbos to the 'standard' 911 will there no longer be a need for the Turbo and Turbo S? I loved the Turbo as it gave that sense of power and rawness and made it stand out, all be it with a fancy spoiler but now do you really need one?
PLEASE do the new Mustang GT! I would really love to hear your impressions of it considering what you get for the price. (especially here in the US but still)
Can't wait! Fingers crossed for some dry weather
I know this is very old, but this I don’t understand.
In the days of NA engines, the turbo was the dream car.
Now they’re all turbos, some people don’t like that.
What part of a huge contradiction am I missing?
I’m seriously considering buying a 911. Life’s literally too short not to, if you like the idea and have the means.
We’re running towards the end of privately owned motor cars.
What a way to finish, with a 911!!
great video.
I like the new edgeless nav screen, Wish mine had that.. Very cool
Dear Carfection,
I owe you an apology. I truly believed xcar had gone away and some lame corporate bs had taken it's place.
I was wrong. Clearly wrong.
Thanks, Alex.
Thanks, Carfection.
Carfection my arse!!!
Wtf is this name
How will the previous cars resale value react to this car? This was the prettiest 911 imo, second only to the 993. I feel like people will prefer the new model simply because it's faster. But I think the better experience would be in the previous car. Mind you I haven't driven either one.
The changes only affect people who spend time on track, which would be a very small minority of drivers. For your average buyer, it's still an amazing car.
The music you guys use is magnificent, may I know where you get it from?
Alex Arcoleo - Shadowtalk
You can degenerate the critics all you want, but there's a good reason why the Singer exists. And don't you dare saying it's not better than all of the current Porsche models.
Sure, just one little issue: For the price of one Singer one can buy a 993 Turbo, 997.2 Turbo S AND a 991.2 Turbo S.
+Abe From an Yes, and the waiting list is very long. That says something not in Porsche's favour.
+Pan Damasque people will always appreciate and pay for the fine craftsmanship displayed in the Singer. Porsche is opening centers to restore older 911s. They have tons of love for their old cars. The new Singer Carrera 4 is bad ass.
Actually the engine is in the right place. Its the best place for optimum cooling. The right place for traction and cornering. The right place for aerodynamics. The right place for uncompromised comfort. It's everyone else that's wrong.
+Flash Man ok.......
+Flash Man Tell that to Le Mans cars engineers
Lovely car but I wouldn't swap it for my 991 4 GTS. The engine note on mine is just amazing and one I wouldn't want to give up.
lol great reference to changing the name and dropping the car show at a moments notice.
Whats the name of backround song? One hell of a review btw!
Shadowtalk by Alex Arcoleo
Whats the name of the song at the end?
Does this mean that the Vario Cam Plus ( variable valve timing )has gone?
Pretty cool. you can get a 911 with a turbo and a manual gearbox again.
Yeah but it's not the most powerful model, it's not the "turbo" model so I don't see what's so great about it
Turbo kits can be upgraded. Keep an eye peeled, you're going to see specialty shop and aftermarket companies making some screamers out of these.
+Daniel Silva
Manual gearboxes aren't for Speed or Acceleration, they are for fun.
Most people who spend high amounts of money for a Car like the Turbo S or GT3 RS, aren't buying them to have fun with a Manual box, they are buying those models to be driving the fastest Porsches.
If they were manual they would lose to a 458 Italia or AMG GT...
With PDK they are faster than anything on the road that isn't a Hypercar. Think about it, really.
Sorry for my kinda unrelated question, but it seemed like it was the right time, so here it goes. If 458 and amg gt are super cars, what is a 911 carrera/carrera s? It has less power yet it can almost match them in terms of acceleration which is really odd to me. And if a 911 carrera s is a super car, then what is a 911 turbo s?
malicalik 13
I remember reading a quote from Porsche saying that they are Sports Car makers.
Every Porsche drives like a Sports car, whether it's a 911 or a Cayenne or a Panamera.
If you drive a Mercedes GLE 63 AMG, as good a car as it is, there is nothing sporty about it other than the power, when compared to a Porsche equivalent.
The Porsche Cayenne Turbo on the other hand, has sports car handling combined with power and amazing balance.
Some Porsches have Supercar Performance such as the Turbo S and GT2 RS amd GT3 RS, but they are still classified as sports cars as they did start life with the classic Sports Car 911 Body. Wings and Air Vents can't turn a Sports Car into a Supercar.
A Supercar car has to be Super in more than 1 way.
In my opinion it has to have
Super Performance - Top Porsches have
Super Looks - Only Carrera GT + 918 have
Super Sound - Only Carrera GT + 918 have
Super Interior - Only Carrera GT + 918 have
Super Price Tag - Top Porsches Have
How does the manual gearbox feel compared to the first-gen car's?
Great video. But more importantly where did you get that jacket?
This is Porsche so do you get both turbos as standard or is the second an optional extra?
36 MPG!? What! My 2.2 litre NA Alfa Romeo gets 20MPG if I'm really careful. I'm not really careful.
The 911 represents the pure "drivers' car". Every little change they make makes it a little bit less pure. Wow, I just felt a little bit like Hitler.
Anyway, if Europe is so concerned about meeting emissions quotas and blah blah, they should try to make tankers, factories, buildings cleaner, not cars. Because, and this is one of my favorite stats ever, the largest 15-16 tankers in the world create the same amount of pollution as **all the cars in the world**. Wrap your head around that. I did, and I'm angry that the new 911 is turbo charged.
Edit: I just found this channel I love it so far. Thank you.
Nope. Do some basic research, and educate yourself away from such lies. And use some common sense: one tanker pollutes as much as 60 million cars? Dumbass. And those polluting non-cars provide the petrol you put in your car, to your petrol station.
Don't keep embarrassing yourself with such gormless clueless self-absorbed statements.
@@numbereightyseven As opposed to the diesel burning locomotives, shipping coal to burn for your electric car.
Great video I really do think this new model looks better than the outgoing. It is subtle, but better. That said I tried to give this whole Carfection name change thing a go, but I just can't take it anymore... I am going rage quit.
I still remember the sound from my dad's Saab 900 turbo ....
at 4:08, background music is lovely, can you guys tell me what is it called please?
Alex Arcoleo - Shadowtalk
5:16 I see your camera car, Ford Focus ST :D
Wow. I like the new color change option. It goes from red to silver and back in about two seconds. My 2006 Carrera 4s just stays black. But seriously it is nice car, maybe when they get to be around three years old I'll trade up. Brand new is out of my budget.
What's that soundtrack towards the end?
I do really like the new centre R32 style exhausts
damn these new 911s. Ill go get myself a 993 Carrera S and be happy with the driving experience as well as its appreciation factor.
What is going on with the driver´s seat leather (shoulder area). Pre-series vehicle- I presume...
Aftermarket exhaust with anti-lag, it will be MAD
Nice pack shot at 1m 05s... ;)
You bring up a good point in this vid. Will Porsche now have to change the name of the 911 Turbo to something different now that they will all be turbos?
I agree, is an amazing engineering marvel.
The only think that we needed to know, and what was not said - is that the door for more affordable engine mods has been open and you can relatively easy blow 500hp out of it.
Miss your reviews
I actually respect Porsche a lot for embracing new ideas and technology, and new social expectations and attempt to engineer the faults out of it - sure they aren't always completely successful, but they always make the industry progress.
Great Review XCAR... I mean Carfection! Enthusiasts will always lament the previous generation of a loved icon, however Porsche needs to stay alive. These will sell, and allow the GT cars to be produced (though it may not be long before even they are converted). If you dont like the innovation, buy a 991.1 at a soon to be discounted rate.
Turbocharging to meet emissions regulations. I wonder about that. Since most of the major hi-per manufacturers still have at least one naturally aspirated car. Porsche still has the NA GT2 (I assume the GT3 RS, 2019 ver) will still be NA). So, if Porsche can still put out a 500 HP NA fat-6...what is the REAL reason why they chose to TT the Carrera's?? Why has Ferrari TT their 488 but not their 812 SUperfast? Why are Lamborghini's still NA? (e.g. Huracan's...Aventador's...etc.). Could Porsche not put a "de-turned" GT3 engine in the Carrera cars?? :)
There is one big advantage to those turbos though. You should be able to tune that turbo engine and get another 75-125 bhp. Won't work in a naturally aspirated car. So you'd get 911 turbo level performance on the cheap. I expect the next 911 to be a hybrid with turbos and electric engine for torque fill.
People pay a fortune for 930 turbos. Now you have a turbo even for a base model and start to complain. LOL
"however, even the most minute of changes are criticized and can cause them to drop the company, or product, or even a web-based car show at a moment's notice ..."
Lol it seems that way. Cheers to the #FanBoys
+Carfection what the color on the car?
Give that thing a tune and you have yourself a new widow maker.
It felt like you were forcing yourself to say you like it???
Besides of the car..anyone knows the name of the song during the video?? Thx!
Shadowtalk by Alex Arcoleo
Porsche 911 turbo has turbos everyone loses their mind. 911 R has a manual gearbox everyone loses their mind. Carrera S has both the turbos and a manual gearbox nobody bats an eye.
it sounds exactly like an older nsx and that good in a way
love the landscape, what part of Great Britain is it?
Nice review for a van
This guy's reporting style almost resembles Richard Hammond's to a tee
It has but then it hasn't. It just means that now everyone gets to get a Turbo no matter which model
haha, like that little jab at your change of name
Amazing
Does anyone know were these roads are?
The 991.5 is a prelude for Porsche's line of Hybrids which will be on all future 911's once this initial testing is complete. Imagine the turbos being replaced by hybrid generators. The last 911 100% petrol versions are now complete. The new era of 911's is here.
what was the name before carfection?
One of the most famous quotes by Enzo Ferrari is "Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines". I would add turbos to that too.
lmao that's so ignorant it's stupid
It is a 911 Turbo Lite.
Not exactly Carrera S.
how is to change gears with left hand?
it looks terrible