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If I ever get to the point where I can afford to build a Stout engine, I'll definitely be taking to KTM. But first I'll slap my 6.0 together myself at some point and see how long it lasts!! 🇺🇸🦅💪
I’d like to see a video showing the machining/manufacturing of equipment used in a machine shop. This vid is very impressive. It boggles my mind to think of the precision/ tolerances given all the moving parts in these machines. And then.....there are the machines that make the machines that make the machines. Love this stuff. Those who look down their noses at “blue collar” workers and consider these workers as “knuckledraggers” need to see these people and the skills they have. It’s so impressive. Semper Fidelis Dave Heitman
im going to school for cnc machining soon, their multiple axis machines that run on computer generated code that operate a machine through a software with specific material removing applications and different bits and Thered a term for them. their expensive, one bit end can be like $1000 or more. the machine their using, easily 100k. it can hold an engine. this is top of the line stuff. depening on the experience of the machinist.
Holy crap. This guy has obviously never been exposed to any engine building. These are steps that every decent engine builder takes, and TKM is CERTAINLY not the only one o ringing heads and blocks, weve been doing it to LS engines for 20 years and other stuff for many more than that, its run of the mill power adder stuff....
That said Id guess hed be mind blown that weve run 40# of boost on stock head gaskets - boost is a meaningless number people. How much power your making and your tune up determines when the head lifts (peak cylinder pressures)
Um....... So boost has nothing to do with cylinder pressure? Boost is a very big factor in cylinder pressure. Cylinder pressure can be manipulated via cam grind to relieve or add pressure but to say boost is a meaningless number is false. The power you're making is a direct manifestation of the boost level you're running combined with you tune in layman's terms. Not trying to argue but you either made a mistake or you really don't know what you are talking about.
@@turbochevelle5641 no not really but you touched on correct thing. Boost is just a measure of restriction in intake manifold on that particular setup
One guy with a 6000 rpm engine that has bad ass heads etc. on 427 inch engine operating near peak torque on 23psi could be making alot more cylinder pressure than a stock 4.8 at 8300 rpm and 44psi even though they may be making the same hp.
It is cylinder pressure (torque) that matters like you said, tune up, etc.
@@jefflowry4112 well not quite but OK. It is an issue of efficiency of the combination in your explanation. Of course the 427 with worked heads and a turbo properly sized will make more power than the smaller displacement at a lower boost level. Because of the difference in discplaceme the smaller engine will have to run more boost at a higher rpm to make the same power. In the end it is just a math calculation and knowing how to properly set up all the parts to be as efficient as possible.
@Paul Wilson yes sir he has and that's why he was one of the key players on one of the most successful drag racing teams out there.
@@turbochevelle5641 Boost is only relevant when you know intake air temp. The (tune) you are refering to aside from ignition timing is exactly that: Air density and engine RPM (speed density).
I lost 2 PSI of plenum pressure and gained 10mph on the 1/4 mile, guess how? INTERCOOLER BABY.
TKM are A1 but definitely not the only people doing top fuel hoops on LS applications.
Southern Speed Videos Tom Nelson has been doing it for yes to stockers.
These guys are going to have to build a addition on to their shop from all the business their going to get when this video gets out!
Jon, best tech video yet. Thanks for the machine shop tour and tuition. This shop is on their game.
Appreciate the detail these guys put into their projects.
As a highschool student taking a machining class, I really enjoyed this vid
Finally a video with some grown-up content
So now that dude is done training his dragon he’s building 5.3’s? OK.
Shop tour was great, I'm thinkin' of taking my 408 LS turbo motor down there.
Very cool behind the scenes! The machining stuff is always fascinating!
Build starts at 22:31
Hahaha
Great job on the video at TKM shows what goes into machining a motor for power. #Mullins power!
I like what they are doing at KTM after seeing their process they go through! I think they will be getting some block coming their way very soon!
Just be sure to send it to TKM
i've talked to a few machinist and they recommend only sleeving the LC9 5.3 vortec with the block casting ending in 048.. did your machinist say something similar? i probably should of asked the machinist i talked to but he didnt seem like the explaining type lol. probably caught him on a busy day. any more insight between the block differences in the LC9
i've heard over and over Steve @ Race Engine Development pioneered the sleeving process with darton. i had called darton and thats who they recommended. is there any reason you chose tkm over a place like REDs?
I'm glad cornbread caught himself before he named the finish stones good job cornbread you don't want to let that info out!
I got a chance a few years ago to take a tour of Connie kalitta racing & flying service. I couldn't believe big chunks of aluminum we're sitting on pallets as they were getting turned out as engine blocks !!! Connie coletta flying service he's based out of Ypsilanti Michigan. I recommend anybody that comes to Michigan or that is in Michigan to go take a tour. Oh he's operation I only in the top fuel dragsters but seeing his fleet of planes.
Just for some added info Steve Morris also does Top Fuel hoops. One piece stainless hoops
This block would make an awesome coffee table .
Finally. A interesting video. Not a selling brown sugar. Or last pass With brown sugar video.
Next time ill go with ya with the trailer and we can load all them engines up😀 I want one to put in the living room just so I can smile all day😂
😂😂😂😂
ARE YOU GOOD WITH ALARM SYSTEMS
On small block Chevy’s we used a solid copper head gasket and “O” ringed the block for piece of copper wire that you would cut to a tight beveled fit. The copper would be “proud” about .015” so it would bite into the head gasket and help protrude into a small receiving groove in the head. We would give a spray coat of copper coat gasket seal to both sides of the head gasket. I ran up to 26 pounds of boost. Things would let go but I never had a head gasket leak. You guys are spoiled with what you can get now.
They got some jams playing in that shop
This video should be called " monster"commercials. 😵
Iron or aluminum block?
Is TKM’s top fuel hoop similar to a fire ring in a diesel? Sounds basically the same to me but was just curious. Good video👍
Very similar but they is what they call it
John Doc thanks John. Keep up the great content!
So its different then o-ringing it or?
Sounds like they're just pressing the hg into the groove rather than actually o/fire ringing it.
@@Lilmattw_freshoutdabox23 It looks just like the o-rings I installed on my old 408. O-ring and copper head gasket with a ton of spray.
Great video John, loved the shop tutorial ,motor gonna be bad ass👍🏽👍🏽🏁🏁🏁🏁
John loved the 5.3 it gonna to be bad ass motor
Great tech video! It may not be for everyone but I appreciate it!!!!!!
What does a procedure like that cost? Milling the deck, boring and checking tolerances?
Once I heard Tevin Campbell in the back ground playing..I really got tuned in to the video....👍😎
How true is the jig that mount to the block? just curious
Well done video. Inside dope , thanks for sharing
Very cool video!! Is the top fuel hoop any different the traditional o-ringing of the cylinder head and block meaning is there a receiver groove in the head? Can't wait to see how fast you go. Would love to see you put a bigger bore and shorter stroke in this bad boy tho 😁
Top Fuel Hoop? Its an O Ring Deck , Old School Diesel Stuff.
Might be a good idea to check the cylinders for out of square with the crank too.
that is called - DECK HEIGHT and line boring = they all do that = so you are a mechanical = IDIOT DODO !
Best video yet!
love these videos man
Now this video is FIRE👍
I smiled when I say your Hemi block at TKM.
What can I stroker a 5.3 LS too
Man these guys are doing some work. Good stuff. I'd love to bring my 6.2 Hellcat motor to them. Build the highest horsepower 6.2L Mopar. Make the 426 guys cry. LOL
Wow thanks for this video Big money John !! I'm getting some nice extra $$$ coming my way here very soon and want a TKM BBC set up for my TS S10 ! This video just sealed the deal. Ty again....them guys look like they don't "F" around !
I wanna get my lc9 block done by TKM!
That shop jammin I now that.
#LS4LIFE
Lslife
That was a really great episode
You know what's going to happen now John you want lift a head and let that pressure out if you over boost you will put a nice pretty window in the side of the block lol.
Ls engines are ridiculously high even over 100k miles on them. I have a pontiac g8 gt, and the l76 engines and ls2 short block on eBay are 4k and up.. I really miss my 3v mustang gt.
Question is. If you were building an LS motor and were shooting for boosted 1200-1500 hp range
Would you use an iron or aluminum block. And why please.
Inhave both a dynojet like that and a dynocom. That dynojet will stand up to more power than the dynocom. The old 2000tq limitation on the dynojet was the sample rate from the 80's electronics but with the newest rt software%hardware from dynojet its pretty much only traction limited.
U can get close to the same results with a sheet of glass and engineer ruler.. and some 80 grit to 320.. And some patience.. Have Built plenty of engines and head gasket repairs this way.. Might not hold 1000hp.. But definitely will save some money for the DIY guy and budget builder. By all means.. If u have the money or equipment.. Utilize it tho! Great vid!
Awesome machine shop, that's where it starts from
TKM may be good but there are some pretty good engine builders out there so i dont know if i would call them the best. BES is pretty high on the list they turn out some bad ass engines in some record setting cars.
Depends on what they're building
Nothing special for every race motor we build here in Florida. We regularly produce 1800 to 2400 power from 4.8/5.3 used LS blocks and have run 24 pounds of boost on an untouched 5.3 with 144,000 miles and we ran that for just over 18 months in a R/D program achieving mid fives at Bradenton Motorsports park early last year. Thi9s is nothing more than an infomercial for their shop. The best commercial is for the motor that just put you in the weeds!
I noticed your comment has 4 likes so others agree with you. That’s making me feel a bit better about just cleaning my LC9. I want to do the AFM DOD delete but I want to do it in the truck. For a few reasons 1 actually finding a reputable machine shop is kinda hard. 2 once you find said machine shop they are booked out weeks and in some cases months. 3 most of these places charge a arm and a leg to actually do the work. My LC9 only has 137k on the timer no issues so hopefully everything works out.
Good video thanks for sharing brother
nice vid🤘🤘🤘🤘
This was awesome to watch.
Oh looky looky a filled water jacket stock block. She is boost ready!!
She is boost ready
Is the cowmaro 416 sleeved also?
Gm being on pointisa wrong statement. The seasoning of the block and heat and wear affects the squareness. Gm would have a controlled quality of flatness from the factory.
TKM VERY EDUCATIONAL! MAN
John how much did that cost on 5.3 do every thing
John how much did it costs to build that 5.3ls
Well the sleeves and installation of them alone is about $2000 by itself so then add the other machining costs and it isn't cheap.
GMS BOOK SCRATCHER g Yeah my local shop does $200 per sleeve so that’s $1600, clean hot/tank block $65, check for cracks $100 , deck and surface $150, honing $85, line bore you mains if you need to $285, cam bearings $75. So just on the block your at $2,360.00. For the crank check cracks $30, polish 75, debuting for better oil flow $40, balancing $400 that’s another $545. For heads surface and deck $125 , cut the seats, check valves , check guides and springs $250, pressure check $50, instal guides on a 2 valve $400. That’s another $825 so a full full build in machine work itself not including the crank, bearings, rods, wrist pins, pistons, rings, cam, lifted, pushrods, rockers, springs, valves, ect, your at $3740.00.
How exciting another LS engine so original
Do I hear Hi Five in the background? Lol
isnt that already a cast in place iron liner block? why replace them?
What block has the coolant passages around the bores "blocked" or "closed" like that? I mean is it a trick of light or are the coolant passages actually closed? Or was it filled?
It’s all filled
@@JohnDoc ok thanks
I want to send my of 07 silverado nbs lh6 block to them now haha. I need it done fast. I want 600hp no more than that though. My nickname at the railroad was lunchbox haha
What's that machine work price for the world record engine? Looks like great work and not cheap.
Are you missing LS fest?
The disrespect @19:30
I thought the same thing Phil. Shots fired LOL
I fell off the toilet when he said it.
What heads are you putting on that block ?
What heads y'all putting on that 5.3 block
The guy using the indicator to check the deck at the beginning of the video is not using it correctly. The stylus is supposed to be around 10 degrees to the surface. He has it at about 60. The value that is being read is much less than actual deviation
So if you get all this work done to a block is it still stock??
Like taking LS heads and changing valves to titanium and get them cnc'nd and saying there still stock
I defy you to find the word "motor" in any U.S. auto factory literature. It's an engine............
It always used to bug me ...A Lot...to hear it called Motor. But now I find myself doing it too. A motor is that thing with electrical cord and copper windings etc.
It is a motor. It was produced by GM MOTOR Company. The hint is literally in the name. A motor is, by literal definition an internal combustion engine. Engine is a generalized name for any power unit that develops energy. The word motor was created for things that move something.
If that fact bothers you, you need counselling.
The thing that is electric is officially called an engine.
@@claytonmuirhead2722 -- Sure. Yeah, right....Motor Mouth.
General Motors in your terms general engine
Does your car have a blower motor ??
Just curious, what fixturing do you use?
It is a HAAS. How much of that is in the ways. I know that GM uses Makino's to machine alot of their blocks and they aren't anywhere near that far off. This kind of measurement should be done on a CMM not on a CNC.
Viva la ...LS
If you're going to build an LS like the title says you need to start off with a LSX block
That drive me crazy people calling LQ blocks LS... it's the little things in life...
@@mc-dev
they are LS based
@@mc-dev
and 5.3 aren't LQ's the the LQ4 and LQ9 are 6.0
Good point
Nice website no contact info for my LS PROJECT BUMMER
Wouldn't he indicate in corner to corner?
Edit: Well I guess he's trusting the set up of his crank bar.
What is the cost to do block and heads
Learn how to use a camera, it's so wobbly its gonna cause a lot of aneurysms
How about a 5.3 LS supercharged on 100% nitro?
How much does a job like this cost?
My buddy has been o ringing blocks for 20 + years ...
Lmao i can hear the shit talking already lol but hell yeah go get'em brother
Jon doc knows who has the baddest stock block 5.3 around, lol
boostismyfriend 🤣🤣🤣. He coming for that NECK boiiii
He better figure out away to attach 2 of them 5.3’s together before he comes after the coupe
boostismyfriend awd chicken hawk coming up
@@Boostismyfriend so who is it with "the baddest stock block" that you talking about???
salty chicken! lol
Hi guys. I have been watching you videos and appreciate your knowledge a lot. Can you PLEASE give me same giudence. I am living in South Africa, the guys here do not come even close to the experience and knowledge you guys have. I have a LS2 L98 aluminum block with a 4" K1 rotating assembly kit with Wisoco K448x3 +5cc pistons.(Bore size 4.030) I keep having blow by, pass my rings (Did a leak down test) my pistons pull out of my standard sleeves at bottom by nearly 13mm (0.511 in). Is it possible to in stall the Dart Block Sleeves 32110131 in my block.
Sleeve lenth 6.100"
Bore size 3.990
Wall Thickness, 0.185 in.
If not possible please advise. I dont know what to do.
Thanks, I will really appreciate your advice.
Regards.
Rassie.
😎🇺🇸👍Great stuff 🙌🔥✌️
We got click baited
Like watching these videos but all of them from this guy are too long we need the condensed version
Fire-rings in the heads and a receiver in the deck is something new LOL come on? I have been doing them for 30 years
no wander they can not keep head gaskets in their diesel engines
Unless you are making over 700hp thats no problem with a stock head gasket
I think cornbread is actually Jason Aldean
Im just looking for 400 hp but every body is like the cam sucks below 5000 rpm s . I'm like man . ok how about 350 / 370 if I need to punch it ?
All this work to the top end,what are you going to do when the bottom web gives way?
it doesnt until about 1400hp
U make my little nitrous 5.3 look like shit I only make 1000 right now
Very Kool 👌👌👌👌👌
I like turtles
Its called an oring everyone does that. I wanna see a caged motor