The movie was good but Colin Farrell more or less made the movie even a lot better than it suggested and to think this was his first break into Hollywood he really did amazingly well.
i did my infantry training in tigerland in late '68-early '69, then went straight to viet nam. meningitis was rampant the entire time i was there (we were in phase 4 control). zero sympathy was shown by the career cadre that trained us, nor did we expect any. we knew we were at "the bottom of the barrel". we had a tough job ahead of us and only 9 weeks to train for it.
this was not filmed at polk...but same story as you, but it was 70..no meningitis but a wave of the flu ..sent strait to nam as well and then attached to the 101st for op Texas star
I'm a corporate pilot and one of the Captains that I first flew with, gave me the script for this movie, that was originally sent to Brad Pitt. It even had a cover letter on it asking him to look it over for his consideration to play the part that eventually went to Colin Farrell. This was Colin Farrell's breakout role and would have missed it had Brad taken the role. The Captain got the script because he was flying Brad and in that he wasn't interested in the role, left the script on the aircraft when he deplaned.
I was going through Basic Training at a different fort at the time this movie depicts. Most things are realistic, the uniforms, equipment, treatment of the trainees, etc. Would an NCO sit down and have a heart to heart and a smoke with a trainee.? Would never happen. Most viewers would never understand what it was like to be a conscript in that war given the attitude toward the military by the general public.
I was in the Navy 71-73 and though all of us joined, a lot of guys did only to avoid being drafted into the army. A number of guys were criminals that were given the ultimatum to join the service or go to prison. Looking back on it, 50 years later, I wish my attitude was better….but it was so hard to keep things in proper perspective given the horseshit attitude towards servicemen by the general public at that time. Thank you, in part, to people like Hanoi Jane and Mr Worthless himself, John Kerry.
@@TheAirplaneDriver -USMC 1971 -1974. Morale was low. Dope, racial hassles, and alienation from society. I wish I went about things differently also. But hindsight is always 20-20.
I did this same course at Camp Geiger in 1971. Most of us were laughing our asses off.When you were told to stay down , you stayed down .It wasn't brain surgery..
God bless you 🙏.....I was born in 1971....I joined the army reserve at 19 left for college....left college, got out of the army then re joined January 2001...airborne infantry with 503rd infantry battalion
So I was Stationed at Ft. Polk, LA from 6/2004 to 6/2007 and when this came out, I had not known that Tigerland WAS actually at Polk. We asked about it and were able to, at one time while out doing a Demo Range or something) drive by the area that had been Tigerland and made sense because not only was Ft. Polk a hot, humid, and at times RAINY place that was somewhat I guess as close as one could get to the climate in South Vietnam but also one of I believe 5 Bases that were used for Basic Training of Soldierwould be Infantryman and Combat Arms such as Mortar Men, Combat Medics, and Maybe
My uncle got to Tigerland in 1967 and arrived in Vietnam that December. He was assigned to the 25th ID 4/9 Manchu's in Cu Chi. My uncle, though he liked the movie, said this movie like most Nam movies is bullshit.
Was in the Army '72-'74. The only time I heard of a NCO hitting a enlisted man. Was when in basic two drunk DI's come back in the barrack's late at night and beat a Gomer in their platoon. They both went to prison. Never heard of anyone else getting hit by or beat by a NCO from others.
@@Boddav I went to PI in 04 and there was several incidents with hands on corrective measures aimed at us by the DI’s. One recruit got his head slammed into the tiles to the head on our way out from a platoon size head call. I was on the little end but I seen drops of blood and small pools of blood as we were walking out of the head. Anyway the DI slammed this recruits head against the tile but no one said anything, even the recruit. Needless to say that DI who used to do sadistic acts to us calmed down a lot after that. I think deep down we gained a little of his respect for not ending his career.
I think if I had pulled something like that in boot camp, the Drill instructor would have most likely used that e-tool he was holding to beat me to death. Maybe the Army is different than the Corp.
Two biggest mistakes civilians make about the military: 1) They think they can imagine how military people act because they're really just civilians wearing uniforms. 2) They think the military makes regular, ordinary, normal people go crazy. When you embrace the military, your entire culture changes, you might as well be from Mars. People go crazy in both military and civilian life and people in both military and civilian life don't go crazy. It's not the life, it's the person. Quit blaming the military for people needing help and focus on getting help for anyone who needs it. I've got lots of buddies who suffered severe stress and they're fine. I know a couple people who never saw combat, never even left the USA and are emotionally disturbed. Stop your stupid civilian BS that the military makes everyone go crazy.
I just want to know what is it about the military that makes people dumb as hell? Both my brothers went into the army and marines. They were relatively intelligent before, but after they became gullible morons.
Do anyone remember The Casino? Fort Polk Tigerland was my punishment for joining The Army. They can change the name of the place but for me it will always be Old Hell Hole and Little Vietnam.
And i would do the same to that Nco once im out. Fck warmongers and military industrial complex. The vietnam war is a lie and 50k americans died for a lie.
Even in my day back in the 80s, the Drill Sergeants would have dogpiled him and NOBODY would ask about the bruises. Then the Drill Sergeants would have smoked EVERYONE till they puked... all the while telling them how it's all Private [insert name here]'s fault; then ask what are THEY going to do about it? So after getting a beatdown, you'd get a blanket party too.
I remember m16 class in basic 1971 drill Sargent asked the class if anyone was a conscious objector, one dumb ass raised his hand. They yanked him out of his chair took him outside we could hear him screaming broke his arm, Never saw him again, drill Sargent was courtmartil,d he was gone too , got a new Drill same as the old drill Sargent
Well, just to play devil's advocate I mean, if this situation had happened in a combat environment the guys who got out of the trench would surely get shot before the guys inside of it. Assuming that was the actual order he would be within his rights to deny that order.
public perception at the time viewed the military as dishonorable for being involved in the Vietnam conflict. Imagine being thrust into a combat zone to die for a cause you didn’t believe in by a government who didn’t give a single shit about you, idk about you but I’d be pretty apprehensive too. And yeah I get it’s just a movie and in reality you’d get your ass whooped by the co if you tried to pull some shit like that but I can appreciate the conscripts mindset to not want to be there in the first place.
i saw ft. polk on google earth a while back. it doesn't even resemble the old fort polk i trained at. all the old wooden barracks were gone. lots of on-base housing that was never there before, etc.
@@richardirvin6155 Those wooden barracks buildings are all over Leesville, they still exist. Fort Polk is probably like 3 times bigger if not more. My brother was here 84-88 and he barely recognized it.
@@flailingelbows7073 There is no training on Earth that allows someone to fire M60 with live rounds directly at troops. Any one of those bullets could have killed a man in cover.
During my initial combat arms training in the Army, some decades ago, they did fire live M60 rounds over our heads so we could hear the crack and get some sense as to what small arms fire actually sounded like. We were instructed to stay low, and we did, but I suspect the rounds where high enough that we could have stood up without being hit. There was little to no danger for any trainee employing common sense.
Okay, I'm not big fan of Vietnam war but this total disrespect of No.1 military in the world. Imagine if every recruit acted like this, that's how u get weak ass undisciplined army.
What fucks me off is that he actually could have become a war hero. But he's got that stoner mind where he thinks he sees all the flaws of the military when it's holding him back from becoming someone great.
And who the fck cares about a military thats waging an illegal war in vietnam. 50 years later CIA admitted that the gulf of Tonkin incident was CIA-made. 50k americans died for a lie. So fck the military industrial c9mplex.
If everyone had that "stoner mentality" we wouldn't have a bunch of poor kids from both sides killing each other so some rich assholes could get richer.
I can 100% guarantee he wouldn’t… I spent 22 years in the Army and you pull a stunt like that you would get such a kicking you wouldn’t know what day of the week it was.
@@robphillips100 I spent four years in the Marine Infantry and three in the Army Infantry to include a combat tour in Iraq. After a friendly fire incident in Sadr City involving the coaxial machine gun on an M1 tank a SSG threw his helmet at the battalion commander. That did happen.
@@jasongreene6311 that’s different a SNCO briefing up an officer is acceptable! Because officers usually fuck up and need a good fucking talking too. I did two tours of Iraq and Afghanistan infantry and Recce and saw this happen when the OC needed to briefed up. Good to meet you brother.
It was bogus ,or what we see it true and no offense to any grunts out there. But they do not f around in the corps, yea, go around w a smirk on your face like boz. In basic training. ? I donr think they turn thier backs n walk away, or argue. Come on? Not in the corps. Maybe the just made the seargents look weak in the movie i.d k. Had 2 brothers in corps, 1 i nam. Maybe thats why i like these so much. Have a son n law was in afgahanastan in arm. Hot shot, hurt his leg ,uncle sam. Then unlike my bros he knoes nothing about fighting in a way on base getting 2 bit education. Front lines? Please? Go walk thru snipers in nam killing anyrhing that moves. Course theres those guys who ran away from thw service. Lucky not to get drafted and didnt have the honor to step up.....thats what i call cowards.
The movie was good but Colin Farrell more or less made the movie even a lot better than it suggested and to think this was his first break into Hollywood he really did amazingly well.
i did my infantry training in tigerland in late '68-early '69, then went straight to viet nam. meningitis was rampant the entire time i was there (we were in phase 4 control). zero sympathy was shown by the career cadre that trained us, nor did we expect any. we knew we were at "the bottom of the barrel". we had a tough job ahead of us and only 9 weeks to train for it.
this was not filmed at polk...but same story as you, but it was 70..no meningitis but a wave of the flu ..sent strait to nam as well and then attached to the 101st for op Texas star
My uncle got to Tigerland in 1967 and was shipped to Vietnam that December where he was assigned to the 25th ID 4/9 in Cu Chi.
Thank you for sharing this Richard.
I'm a corporate pilot and one of the Captains that I first flew with, gave me the script for this movie, that was originally sent to Brad Pitt. It even had a cover letter on it asking him to look it over for his consideration to play the part that eventually went to Colin Farrell. This was Colin Farrell's breakout role and would have missed it had Brad taken the role. The Captain got the script because he was flying Brad and in that he wasn't interested in the role, left the script on the aircraft when he deplaned.
Ok
Oh shut up
They should of given it to Steve Buscemi.Mr . Pink joined the Army to avoid incarceration.
Hate when that happens
brad pitt drop the role... that looks interesting if he got this role... but colin nailed this role
I was going through Basic Training at a different fort at the time this movie depicts. Most things are realistic, the uniforms, equipment, treatment of the trainees, etc. Would an NCO sit down and have a heart to heart and a smoke with a trainee.? Would never happen. Most viewers would never understand what it was like to be a conscript in that war given the attitude toward the military by the general public.
Ask a Troop handler what his first name is? I enjoyed this movie but it was bullshit.
An NCO might. An officer wouldn't
I was in the Navy 71-73 and though all of us joined, a lot of guys did only to avoid being drafted into the army. A number of guys were criminals that were given the ultimatum to join the service or go to prison.
Looking back on it, 50 years later, I wish my attitude was better….but it was so hard to keep things in proper perspective given the horseshit attitude towards servicemen by the general public at that time. Thank you, in part, to people like Hanoi Jane and Mr Worthless himself, John Kerry.
@@TheAirplaneDriver -USMC 1971 -1974. Morale was low. Dope, racial hassles, and alienation from society. I wish I went about things differently also.
But hindsight is always 20-20.
@@johnredcorn2476 A cliched assumption.
I did this same course at Camp Geiger in 1971. Most of us were laughing our asses off.When you were told to stay down , you stayed down .It wasn't brain surgery..
I was at Geiger in 1977
before i went to Geiger i was at Camp Johnston you talk about some hot barrack during August...........LOL
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God bless you 🙏.....I was born in 1971....I joined the army reserve at 19 left for college....left college, got out of the army then re joined January 2001...airborne infantry with 503rd infantry battalion
I joined the army to hold the torch for so many lost when I was born in 1971
Great movie. I was stationed at Tiger Land for 2 years. Brings back memoriess. Leesville was never like the movie! .
Damn good movie, can't believe its that old though.
We are actually supposed to believe that an instructor allowed a PVT in training to act like that. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. 😂
So I was Stationed at Ft. Polk, LA from 6/2004 to 6/2007 and when this came out, I had not known that Tigerland WAS actually at Polk. We asked about it and were able to, at one time while out doing a Demo Range or something) drive by the area that had been Tigerland and made sense because not only was Ft. Polk a hot, humid, and at times RAINY place that was somewhat I guess as close as one could get to the climate in South Vietnam but also one of I believe 5 Bases that were used for Basic Training of Soldierwould be Infantryman and Combat Arms such as Mortar Men, Combat Medics, and Maybe
Only Hollywood would think this ever happened.
It's a film you clown it doesn't have to be accurate
@@jayo3074 hush child.
@@snowflakemelter1172 you think movies should be real 😂🤡
Yes it actually happened, I see you've never been in the US Military or in any military for that matter
@@michaelmckinnon3476 why would someone be stupid enough join an army to go fight in a war? Lol
My uncle got to Tigerland in 1967 and arrived in Vietnam that December. He was assigned to the 25th ID 4/9 Manchu's in Cu Chi. My uncle, though he liked the movie, said this movie like most Nam movies is bullshit.
Why are people talking about basic training, when this movie is set in the final week of AIT?
Was in the Army '72-'74. The only time I heard of a NCO hitting a enlisted man. Was when in basic two drunk DI's come back in the barrack's late at night and beat a Gomer in their platoon. They both went to prison. Never heard of anyone else getting hit by or beat by a NCO from others.
A common practice at Parris Island in 1971. The important thing was not to leave any marks.
@@Boddav I'm sure in the Marines but not the Army I saw, or my brother saw. He served from 1967-1976.
@Dave Smith why lol
@@Boddav I went to PI in 04 and there was several incidents with hands on corrective measures aimed at us by the DI’s. One recruit got his head slammed into the tiles to the head on our way out from a platoon size head call. I was on the little end but I seen drops of blood and small pools of blood as we were walking out of the head. Anyway the DI slammed this recruits head against the tile but no one said anything, even the recruit. Needless to say that DI who used to do sadistic acts to us calmed down a lot after that. I think deep down we gained a little of his respect for not ending his career.
I think if I had pulled something like that in boot camp, the Drill instructor would have most likely used that e-tool he was holding to beat me to death. Maybe the Army is different than the Corp.
My sentiments exactly! 0351 in 1969. Semper Fi!
Yeah, right. Plenty of cases of drill instructors beating their charges to death. All part and parcel of the program.
@@kpd3308 There was hands on contact from the DIs when I went to boot camp. Open defiance of an order by a DI absolutely was not tolerated.
When you are in the battlefield consider yourself as dead meat and if you survived that's you're bonus.
@Dave Smith 😁
At Ft. Polk we got the crap beat out of us sometimes.
dont know why the filmed this in Florida at ft Blanding ... polk was realistic enough,,,
I was a training officer at Ft Polk and I never heard of anyone getting the crap beat out of them
Two biggest mistakes civilians make about the military: 1) They think they can imagine how military people act because they're really just civilians wearing uniforms. 2) They think the military makes regular, ordinary, normal people go crazy.
When you embrace the military, your entire culture changes, you might as well be from Mars. People go crazy in both military and civilian life and people in both military and civilian life don't go crazy. It's not the life, it's the person. Quit blaming the military for people needing help and focus on getting help for anyone who needs it. I've got lots of buddies who suffered severe stress and they're fine. I know a couple people who never saw combat, never even left the USA and are emotionally disturbed. Stop your stupid civilian BS that the military makes everyone go crazy.
I just want to know what is it about the military that makes people dumb as hell? Both my brothers went into the army and marines. They were relatively intelligent before, but after they became gullible morons.
Do anyone remember The Casino? Fort Polk Tigerland was my punishment for joining The Army. They can change the name of the place but for me it will always be Old Hell Hole and Little Vietnam.
not realistic ,not one bit . the sgt would break his foot down your throat .especially in those days
Your hyperbole is a bunch of horse manure. I don't believe there is a single case of a sergeant breaking his foot down a soldier's throat.
@@kpd3308 YOU'RE boring
YOUR SECTION GO FIRST?
NOT MY SECTION.
AND NOW MAKE AGAIN NOW?
BLADY HELL!
Yeah, I can see why Brad Pitt turned it down.
Wall to wall counseling… old army would allow NCOs beat the crap out of lower enlisted soldiers.
Still happens today, just doesnt get talked about as much.
And i would do the same to that Nco once im out. Fck warmongers and military industrial complex. The vietnam war is a lie and 50k americans died for a lie.
Even in my day back in the 80s, the Drill Sergeants would have dogpiled him and NOBODY would ask about the bruises. Then the Drill Sergeants would have smoked EVERYONE till they puked... all the while telling them how it's all Private [insert name here]'s fault; then ask what are THEY going to do about it? So after getting a beatdown, you'd get a blanket party too.
I remember m16 class in basic 1971 drill Sargent asked the class if anyone was a conscious objector, one dumb ass raised his hand. They yanked him out of his chair took him outside we could hear him screaming broke his arm, Never saw him again, drill Sargent was courtmartil,d he was gone too , got a new Drill same as the old drill Sargent
Wtf did I just watch 😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣
these days drones drop grenades on your head. no more getting down.
In reality, these are the type of guys who get killed first in combat. Arrogance, Inexperienced, Entitled punks.
Well, just to play devil's advocate I mean, if this situation had happened in a combat environment the guys who got out of the trench would surely get shot before the guys inside of it. Assuming that was the actual order he would be within his rights to deny that order.
Yea right
Grr, I was hoping for a little more context before the video ended! :L
why is it that men who trained at Polk say the misery and treatment was accurate but when it comes to other guys they said this didn't happen
public perception at the time viewed the military as dishonorable for being involved in the Vietnam conflict. Imagine being thrust into a combat zone to die for a cause you didn’t believe in by a government who didn’t give a single shit about you, idk about you but I’d be pretty apprehensive too.
And yeah I get it’s just a movie and in reality you’d get your ass whooped by the co if you tried to pull some shit like that but I can appreciate the conscripts mindset to not want to be there in the first place.
@Dave Smith No kidding, glad they pulled out of Afghanistan to save soldiers lives by sacrificing their lives!
FLANKtheOBJECTIVE!!
This was a good movie, too bad we didnt see any combat
Great movie!
I Door Dash to Tigerland every day. :P
i saw ft. polk on google earth a while back. it doesn't even resemble the old fort polk i trained at. all the old wooden barracks were gone. lots of on-base housing that was never there before, etc.
@@richardirvin6155 Those wooden barracks buildings are all over Leesville, they still exist. Fort Polk is probably like 3 times bigger if not more. My brother was here 84-88 and he barely recognized it.
@@painhertz thanks for letting me know. i guess i just didn't look at google earth map close enough. 53 years is a long time ago.
@@painhertz thanks. i must have overlooked them somehow when i looked at the google earth pics
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That's Florida
Forget the diolouge, the fact these guys were firing LIVE ROUNDS DIRECTLY AT RECRUITS is the dumbest thing in this scene.
It’s almost like it was intentional because they were trained to flank the position but instead locked up in the kill zone 🙃
@@flailingelbows7073 There is no training on Earth that allows someone to fire M60 with live rounds directly at troops.
Any one of those bullets could have killed a man in cover.
@@realitystrikes1998 Not if they don't stick their heads up. :)
During my initial combat arms training in the Army, some decades ago, they did fire live M60 rounds over our heads so we could hear the crack and get some sense as to what small arms fire actually sounded like. We were instructed to stay low, and we did, but I suspect the rounds where high enough that we could have stood up without being hit. There was little to no danger for any trainee employing common sense.
@@realitystrikes1998
Is it me or do I see a few early ar10s in this scene?
Okay, I'm not big fan of Vietnam war but this total disrespect of No.1 military in the world. Imagine if every recruit acted like this, that's how u get weak ass undisciplined army.
Gee, coming from an authority like you, must be true.
This never happened in Tigerland some shit private would never talk to a nco like that.
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Why didnt they use their M203
They hadn't invented those yet. However, they did have the M79 grenade launcher
Minha esposa tá vindo? Com o filho? Aquela mulher gigantesca?
What fucks me off is that he actually could have become a war hero. But he's got that stoner mind where he thinks he sees all the flaws of the military when it's holding him back from becoming someone great.
And who the fck cares about a military thats waging an illegal war in vietnam. 50 years later CIA admitted that the gulf of Tonkin incident was CIA-made. 50k americans died for a lie. So fck the military industrial c9mplex.
If everyone had that "stoner mentality" we wouldn't have a bunch of poor kids from both sides killing each other so some rich assholes could get richer.
right about then, sergeant whatever his name was would be eating my helmet.
I can 100% guarantee he wouldn’t… I spent 22 years in the Army and you pull a stunt like that you would get such a kicking you wouldn’t know what day of the week it was.
This movie is fiction for a reason lmaoo
@@robphillips100 I spent four years in the Marine Infantry and three in the Army Infantry to include a combat tour in Iraq. After a friendly fire incident in Sadr City involving the coaxial machine gun on an M1 tank a SSG threw his helmet at the battalion commander. That did happen.
@@jasongreene6311 that’s different a SNCO briefing up an officer is acceptable! Because officers usually fuck up and need a good fucking talking too. I did two tours of Iraq and Afghanistan infantry and Recce and saw this happen when the OC needed to briefed up.
Good to meet you brother.
Die schlechtesten Soldaten.....
Taiwan
MGC M-16
勇士們，，
It was bogus ,or what we see it true and no offense to any grunts out there. But they do not f around in the corps, yea, go around w a smirk on your face like boz. In basic training. ? I donr think they turn thier backs n walk away, or argue. Come on? Not in the corps. Maybe the just made the seargents look weak in the movie i.d k. Had 2 brothers in corps, 1 i nam. Maybe thats why i like these so much. Have a son n law was in afgahanastan in arm. Hot shot, hurt his leg ,uncle sam. Then unlike my bros he knoes nothing about fighting in a way on base getting 2 bit education. Front lines? Please? Go walk thru snipers in nam killing anyrhing that moves. Course theres those guys who ran away from thw service. Lucky not to get drafted and didnt have the honor to step up.....thats what i call cowards.
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let me guess .. they are figthing with russia and one of them defeatthw whole russian army ??? haha ..its better than hindustan movie
Women
Just an awful actor
Still the worse actors ever seen in a war movie. :)
One of the worst military movies ever.
absurd
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Dafuq?
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all action scenes ruined. of course. DISLIKE
BS
논산 각개 전투 교장,...뺑이의 추억 !!!
@Dave Smith Cool it with the Antisemitic remarks