The Harrowing Disappearance of Kris Kremers & Lisanne Froon

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  • Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
  • Back in 2014, two Dutch girls went missing in a Panamanian jungle. To date, the cause of their disappearance and the exact story hasn't been determined. Today, we're going to explore the evidence and story behind this disturbing mystery.
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  • @_JayRamsey_
    @_JayRamsey_ 4 роки тому +10214

    I can't imagine trekking the Panamanian jungle, in complete darkness, with only an intermittent camera flash to light my way. That shit is terrifying.

    • @gwencere9383
      @gwencere9383 4 роки тому +733

      Yeah, doesn't matter if it was foul play or not, dying in the middle of nowhere is horrifying.

    • @opts9
      @opts9 4 роки тому +474

      I had a similar experience in the Guatemalan jungle, complete with camera-flash-in-the-dark photos to light the way. We could hear shit crashing around in the bushes a few times (probably howler monkeys?) along with some other weirdness, and i can say it was indeed terrifying.

    • @kaydens6964
      @kaydens6964 4 роки тому +65

      Not so scary if you can travel up to 7 km in seconds between the shots also the weather also changes in seconds I mean that literally Sunny to full on cloudy in 5 seconds. The camera memory card has been manipulated beforehand.

    • @chystal9161
      @chystal9161 4 роки тому +161

      Why is it creepy? There's nothing creepy about a quiet Forrest, it's the thought that unknown huamans are in there watching you that's creepy.

    • @burlapjack1464
      @burlapjack1464 4 роки тому +49

      @@opts9 tell me more, I want to know how it started and why you were lost at night in a jungle

  • @bosa5315
    @bosa5315 5 років тому +4143

    i do not understand why anyone would go hiking and not carry a knife, match, extra water, dry food, first aid kit.

    • @joshuakang4507
      @joshuakang4507 5 років тому +533

      Bosa uzelac fuck it, pack a pistol just in case- never get caught lacking

    • @JarthenGreenmeadow
      @JarthenGreenmeadow 5 років тому +339

      I'd take water, matches and food over a gun any day. Guns have extremely limited uses.
      Really though Machete/hatchet, water, emergency rations and a change of socks are standard hiking equipment.

    • @joshuakang4507
      @joshuakang4507 5 років тому +265

      Jarthen Greenmeadow I never said don’t take basic emergency supplies - just pack a Glock along with that stuff

    • @Capza
      @Capza 5 років тому +347

      Just dont go outside

    • @harryunderwood9387
      @harryunderwood9387 5 років тому +87

      Compasses are rather handy in these situations as well. I get that they won't exactly grant a bird's-eye view, but it'll at least help you keep your orientation and grant a sense of direction.

  • @froggiebcg
    @froggiebcg 3 роки тому +4101

    Hi, Dutch person here. I'd like to say that everyone in the Netherlands was pissed at the cops for not immediatly doing anything.

    • @colecooper5836
      @colecooper5836 3 роки тому +269

      And rightfully so. The scary thing about South America is you can't fully trust anyone there.

    • @snyfalcryo524
      @snyfalcryo524 3 роки тому +99

      eh cops all around the world are incompetent people anyway

    • @vampirecount3880
      @vampirecount3880 3 роки тому +186

      @@colecooper5836 You cant fully trust anyone anywhere honestly. Would you trust some random stranger in, lets say, denmark, in the middle of the forest?

    • @Omar_05
      @Omar_05 3 роки тому +58

      @@snyfalcryo524 that’s a stupid thing to say

    • @snyfalcryo524
      @snyfalcryo524 3 роки тому +47

      @@Omar_05 everyone in my country doesn't trust the cops lol, its a public secret everything involving them will involve some bribing to actually move them

  • @GucciVal
    @GucciVal 3 роки тому +2681

    I’m dutch and I still remember my grandma bringing up this case time and time again to warn me not to go to isolated places and always telling someone where I am.

    • @vampirecount3880
      @vampirecount3880 3 роки тому +86

      Best advice ever. If you are in a foreign land, do not know the dangers of the place, the best thing to do is to stay close to the largest group of people possible. Here in the third world, law enforcement isnt very good, so some may find compelling to commit one or another crime, knowing nothing will happen and their crimes will never be exposed. Being close to one another is the best defense in a land where the closest cop is 100km away...

    • @xcalium9346
      @xcalium9346 3 роки тому +24

      @@vampirecount3880 Yes, and always have some self-defense weapon with you if possible. I always carry a knife when hiking/backpacking, mostly as a tool, but also as a means of self-defense. This is incredibly important in developing nations with poor police presence but rings true anywhere. It might not save your life but it will allow you to fight if needed. Also, never get complacent and always be vary. I wish I could guide and help everyone because my intentions are true, but unfortunately, sometimes bad people will get into positions of power and abuse them.

    • @Tawroset
      @Tawroset 3 роки тому +7

      Your grandma was right!

    • @odajunior5373
      @odajunior5373 2 роки тому +11

      Grandma's are the same all over the globe 😂

    • @-db4rf
      @-db4rf 2 роки тому +1

      Hey dutchie here i just wanted to say you are so sweet..😊

  • @TafTabTah
    @TafTabTah 4 роки тому +2841

    The incorrect pin codes raised the most red flags to me

    • @02jeepwj
      @02jeepwj 4 роки тому +211

      TafTabTah probably cause she got a photo of who killed them or something and turned that shit off and that person was trying to delet the pictures but of course nothing will ever come from that bc that phone probably reset itself

    • @user-oe6bh3le5h
      @user-oe6bh3le5h 4 роки тому +171

      ​@@02jeepwj but i don't understand how someone could be in the same place like what a shitty probability ,in the middle of the jungle i mean "he" must been following this girls from the beginning

    • @aswertyuiol
      @aswertyuiol 4 роки тому +144

      It seems it could have been Kris herself, maybe she was injured and unable to press the right keys. It could also have been Lisanne trying to guess the code like Nexpo theorised or even the third party trying to get into the phone. The only issue with that last theory is, assuming image 509 was relevant and there was a third party, it would have already been deleted before then since Nexpo says the phone wasn't used again after the failed unlocking attempts.

    • @thecarpetman7687
      @thecarpetman7687 4 роки тому +157

      lanslasa with no water you would quickly become incoherent and delusional so entering the PIN numbers wrong would be normal as the brain swells

    • @Tekape
      @Tekape 4 роки тому +3

      Roger Wynne wanted to write the same

  • @MarcAlcatraz
    @MarcAlcatraz 6 років тому +19968

    No good story starts with "Two young girls went to Central America."

    • @Nebraska_Jones
      @Nebraska_Jones 6 років тому +1464

      Marc Alcatraz yeaahhh I’ve spent a lot of time there and Panama is NOT where you want to get lost either.

    • @darkprince56
      @darkprince56 6 років тому +364

      Oh hey look it's Sarah really? I thought it was a safe country since many Americans go there after they retire...

    • @dimidingo5787
      @dimidingo5787 6 років тому +1227

      hell no its one of the countries alllll over gore sites

    • @darkprince56
      @darkprince56 6 років тому +248

      DimiDingo yikes

    • @Mehhhhhhhh
      @Mehhhhhhhh 6 років тому +658

      Yup. It can be great of you follow the tourist rules but locals know a lot of people are tourist and they target them for pit pocketing and worse.

  • @marcjon000
    @marcjon000 3 роки тому +564

    That deletion of the ONE picture is the biggest red flag for me. Like you said- deleting pictures is the last thing you would do, let alone only one specific one. Really creepy.

    • @willknapp8751
      @willknapp8751 Рік тому +38

      Yeah makes me think whichever girl was last alive panicked snapped a pic of the attacker/pursuer before they got to her

    • @wrath_of_thrawn2163
      @wrath_of_thrawn2163 Рік тому +17

      @@willknapp8751 Great theory except there was over 90 photos taken after that. Also the worst serial killer of all time to let them phone emergency services numerous times and not destroy any evidence

    • @CometCereal
      @CometCereal Рік тому

      ^

    • @joebauers3746
      @joebauers3746 Рік тому +24

      Yea, they 100% got raped and killed in the jungle. And there was zero incentive for the local police to solve the case as it would have hurt tourism big time.

    • @marknewton6984
      @marknewton6984 11 місяців тому +8

      And wild animals don't delete photos...

  • @forexdissector9565
    @forexdissector9565 3 роки тому +205

    the cab driver that left them at the trail "drowned" a month later.

    • @raamisakhan8043
      @raamisakhan8043 3 роки тому +1

      @False its true alot of people had said so, however theres not much media coverage in the uk so i couldnt find much info except from podcasts, videos and reddit

  • @jenniferl5291
    @jenniferl5291 6 років тому +5738

    I never understood why my mom wanted to know every where I went and who I was with until I got older and saw things like this.

    • @WobblesandBean
      @WobblesandBean 6 років тому +536

      It's fucked up, but I've learned that as a young woman I pretty much shouldn't ever travel anywhere alone or with a small group of other young women.

    • @jacobb.9181
      @jacobb.9181 6 років тому +98

      I knew all along. Mainly because I am the bunny man.

    • @urmammy84
      @urmammy84 6 років тому +191

      I hate to let my daughter's out of my sight. Too many bad things could happen.

    • @jenniferl5291
      @jenniferl5291 6 років тому +9

      Jacob Burden Stop haunting my dreams man.

    • @jenniferl5291
      @jenniferl5291 6 років тому +5

      scare meplz Yeah exactly

  • @Neemco777
    @Neemco777 5 років тому +12004

    >Going to hike alone
    >In the jungle
    >In central america
    >As a white girl
    They didn't stand a chance

    • @fernandoyago8272
      @fernandoyago8272 5 років тому +386

      "White girl"
      Is a color question, obviusly..............

    • @bogman744
      @bogman744 5 років тому +700

      you wrote a haiku...
      nice.

    • @n00bsstuff36
      @n00bsstuff36 5 років тому +1744

      @@fernandoyago8272 Of course it is! tourist are targeted waay more.

    • @psychospeech6189
      @psychospeech6189 5 років тому +135

      @Eromanga Sensei Wow

    • @22fordfx49
      @22fordfx49 5 років тому +707

      Eduardo San Martin Reminds me of the Scandinavian girls who hiked and were beheaded in morrocco.

  • @haterproof_0259
    @haterproof_0259 3 роки тому +455

    This makes my eyes water knowing that these poor girls lost their lives in a most horrifying way. The biggest heartbreak is not knowing what truly happened to them that last couple of days they were alive.

    • @osmopolito
      @osmopolito 2 роки тому +8

      You don't want to know sweety, you don't want to know

    • @AshanBhatoa
      @AshanBhatoa 2 роки тому +7

      @@osmopolito What do you believe happened?

    • @roshnuk
      @roshnuk Рік тому +2

      @@AshanBhatoa I actually believe it was murder

  • @saxandphone6440
    @saxandphone6440 3 роки тому +386

    I just read Lisanne's diary. So much of it is haunting when you know what will soon happen... particularly the opening lines. 'I would not like to be found dead in San Jose, though the chances of that are pretty high in San Jose. I could live in Bocas for the rest of my life. Maybe if I ever retire.' If this was a story it would be some major foreshadowing, both due to the reference of being found dead as well as spending the rest of her life there. In the middle of the diary Lisanne is crying and saying she feels like she is out of her depth, that she wants to go home to her parents and that she didn't really want to go on the trip but agreed anyway. She said Kris was there with her, but even she could not make this strange place seem more familiar. The final lines in her diary are the day before April 1st when they go missing. She is talking about how they were rejected from the daycare but that she needs to look on the bright side because there is always tomorrow. 'Another day tomorrow. Hasta Manana!' :'(

    • @osmopolito
      @osmopolito 2 роки тому +83

      Hi I'm from Peru and one advice I would give you would be that please never come to Central or South America by yourself or with few people. Worse if you want to visit the jungle which is more dangerous than Africa, there are not only extremely dangerous and poisonous animals but you cannot trust the local people here. The worst thing about the Amazon jungle is that it is a place where someone can get lost very easily and you depend on your guide 100% so he could do whatever he wants with you because he knows the jungle, always go with a large number of people, never alone. Never go to the jungle without being 100% sure that you will get out of there alive. Please take this as advice.

    • @oderblock
      @oderblock 2 роки тому +10

      @@osmopolito great comment. but if I may ask: why is it that a tourist cannot trust "local people"? I live in thailand and I trust them. never been a problem.

    • @joebauers3746
      @joebauers3746 Рік тому +18

      Yea, they 100% got raped and killed in the jungle. And there was zero incentive for the local police to solve the case as it would have hurt tourism big time.

    • @stevennieto9898
      @stevennieto9898 Рік тому +7

      ​@@oderblock That's Asia, not Central/South America.

    • @ashpitlik21
      @ashpitlik21 11 місяців тому +1

      Where did you read her diary? This is the first time I've read that she was miserable even before they went missing. Wanted to take a look at it myself if you had the link!

  • @schmitty918
    @schmitty918 5 років тому +5203

    My phone battery won’t even last a walk to the store.

    • @harryunderwood9387
      @harryunderwood9387 5 років тому +291

      Had one about 6 years back that lived off the charger like life-support. Literally died the instant it was taken off.

    • @yunghwua8942
      @yunghwua8942 5 років тому +6

      J

    • @kmnji
      @kmnji 5 років тому +7

      Yes

    • @ijustgotreallystoned638
      @ijustgotreallystoned638 5 років тому +3

      @cara bear nigga my Oppo lasts upwards of 16+ hours

    • @ejhc9628
      @ejhc9628 5 років тому +48

      @kitty cat lol talking shit about Samsung when their phones have up to 4k mhp batteries while iPhone has 3k in their latest XS max model, in the airport and bathrooms it is always iPhone users charging their phones.

  • @alsie4851
    @alsie4851 4 роки тому +4395

    Two girls: go missing
    Police: GImMe a MInUtE

    • @michaelp270
      @michaelp270 4 роки тому +28

      *days

    • @Kennas.wife0725
      @Kennas.wife0725 4 роки тому +12

      Pretty sad that the police did that

    • @danieljk1589
      @danieljk1589 4 роки тому +45

      @@FishbedFive I don't even know what to think of your utterly stupid comment.

    • @islanders1329fan
      @islanders1329fan 4 роки тому +1

      AL SIE Unacceptable

    • @sparechainge
      @sparechainge 4 роки тому +7

      Third world dried up corrupt countries like this. Beautiful and all but not so much the people

  • @rvoidjjur6888
    @rvoidjjur6888 3 роки тому +103

    true crime never really scares me, but this case gives me the most uncomfortable feeling for some reason.

    • @Herlastnightonearth
      @Herlastnightonearth 2 роки тому +4

      Oh my goodness I feel the same way with this case! 😟

    • @Herlastnightonearth
      @Herlastnightonearth 2 роки тому

      Why do have a strong gut feeling that they have been killed by a cult

    • @osmopolito
      @osmopolito 2 роки тому

      @@Herlastnightonearth why so sad?

  • @dominoes127
    @dominoes127 3 роки тому +453

    The one girls foot, that had a straight cut amputation, raised the biggest red flag for me. People don’t realize that they’re are a lot of crazies in the forests..I’ve ran into a few..living in Canada.

    • @MakelBelieve
      @MakelBelieve 3 роки тому +5

      She eat her leg. She was hungry

    • @cf1925
      @cf1925 3 роки тому +41

      There's a camp of crackheads and drug addicts next to my house in the forest.
      My dad had to threaten them on time with a Glock, and they've stolen shit from our cars too.

    • @John-Perry
      @John-Perry 3 роки тому +18

      I was in Utah one time hiking in the woods and found a severed antelope foot that was clean cut. It wasn't hunting season, and it was in a place where a poacher would be noticed immediately. That says to me that it was a predator, and that it's absolutely possible that her foot could have been cut clean off by wildlife.

    • @user-wq9mw2xz3j
      @user-wq9mw2xz3j 3 роки тому +14

      she got injured/poisoned and cut her own leg off?
      I mean, I dont believe that, I think with 99% certainty there was a man behind it, most probably that "tour guide", but sometimes the answer is something that none thinks of at all

    • @yanikpicardleduc
      @yanikpicardleduc 3 роки тому +7

      someone made a fire near my place in the forest in canada. I freaked the fuck out lol cause it was in the middle of winter with low tempratures. Like who does that really.

  • @pack9191
    @pack9191 4 роки тому +3099

    I like how he says goodnight , as if I were to sleep after this

    • @ethanlewis7396
      @ethanlewis7396 4 роки тому +71

      Atheist Priest I’m watching this right before bed...

    • @nehag542
      @nehag542 4 роки тому +9

      😂😂

    • @__RealEyes
      @__RealEyes 4 роки тому +8

      Lol, best comment here.

    • @shoobzy3431
      @shoobzy3431 4 роки тому +18

      Surprisingly these kinds of videos help me go to sleep just cuz this guys narration voice is pretty calming as well as the erie music.

    • @paolaelizabeth8118
      @paolaelizabeth8118 4 роки тому +10

      I go to bed right afterwards cause I’m too scared to stay up 🤣

  • @hepburned1205
    @hepburned1205 5 років тому +4218

    I know this is an old video, but it seems this bears repeating: if you are lost in the wilderness, or even just in a mall, DO NOT MOVE. Someone will come looking for you eventually, but if you are constantly moving the chances of them finding you go down to almost zero. Stay put, don’t exhaust or injure yourself, and help will find you.

    • @acidmids
      @acidmids 5 років тому +145

      Thanks.

    • @HenZoid93
      @HenZoid93 5 років тому +613

      That's VERY poor advise to be giving people. Someone will come looking for you eventually? How do you know? How long could it take? How would they even know where to find you? You cant just not move and expect to live for several days without food or water hoping people are going to find you. You may not have a choice but to take your chances and try to find your way back to civilization.

    • @tarikbosnian9955
      @tarikbosnian9955 5 років тому +228

      @@ernestteam2844 You should always notify someone where you are going it doesnt matter if it is a next town or near by woods.
      I say the most common way to find your way out of a situation is to follow a river not a stream but the widest river ussualy those lead to cities the bigger they are the more likely and ussualy go downstream as Most cities are on the coast, or cliser to the coast. And rivers end up on sea/ocean most of the time.
      Good thing would be to have a map or GPS if you go hiking.

    • @randomdude4411
      @randomdude4411 5 років тому +25

      But... but.... Bear Grylls does it

    • @jeschr3462
      @jeschr3462 5 років тому +74

      Exactly what I was thinking. except it would have helped if these ladies had a compass and kept in mind their original location/bearing before heading off. Also hiking well after nightfall was incredibly stupid.

  • @savage2578
    @savage2578 3 роки тому +406

    the scary thing is these girls were murdered. and whoever did is still there. alive. and walking around

    • @jhonklan3794
      @jhonklan3794 3 роки тому +14

      or they just died of natural causes

    • @FrostyIgnition
      @FrostyIgnition 2 роки тому +10

      The creepy part is, due to the way the phones reacted it’s plausible that they went crazy after about 7 days in the jungle, but also possible they were murdered, but why would a murderer call 911 77 times and try to unlock the phone, seems more like they went into dehydration and were confused

    • @jadenyuki3138
      @jadenyuki3138 2 роки тому

      Its some freaky sht

    • @gazof-the-north5708
      @gazof-the-north5708 2 роки тому +10

      @@FrostyIgnition It wasnt 77 attempts to call 911 - it was 77 attempts to unlock the phone. Someone wanting to check for incriminating evidence?

    • @billblaski9523
      @billblaski9523 2 роки тому +7

      @@FrostyIgnition but how could they get lost? The parents of the girls came and walked the trail, its a pretty straightforward trail, theres video footage of them walking it and they themselves said theres no way to get lost, unless the girls intentionally left the trail and walked hours away

  • @GeraldineBalbadaghe016jhojho
    @GeraldineBalbadaghe016jhojho 3 роки тому +77

    I think that somehow their government, or their police department written this off as an "accident" to protect their tourism industry. The fact that there are so many loopholes pointed out during the entire case.

  • @redscarlet85
    @redscarlet85 4 роки тому +715

    DON'T EVER IN YOUR LIFE TRAVEL SOMEWHERE AND NOT TELL PEOPLE WHERE U ARE GOING! ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE FORIEGN, AND ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA!!! Thanks that's my TED talk.

    • @gioraos5084
      @gioraos5084 3 роки тому +6

      yeah thats what i immediately thought too, since i go hiking a lot i take it for granted, and also my mother everytime asks me specifically about where im going and what route i will take. But i can imagine someone from netherlands being new to these things, i might be wrong but i bet there are very few places to hike there. Thats a shame.

    • @jannaschindler6064
      @jannaschindler6064 3 роки тому +1

      From what I heard they were supposed to go with a guide the next day but decided to go by themselves

    • @allesmogliche3559
      @allesmogliche3559 3 роки тому +1

      @@jannaschindler6064 maybe the guide knew why or that it is good to go the other day but they rushed into it fastly because they were full of lust for exploring new things. But it's dangerous though. I would never go into a jungle. The name jungle is not given just like that. It's hostile and human unfriendly. Nobody knows which creatures live there.

    • @mvstudios4922
      @mvstudios4922 3 роки тому

      is that berserk in ur profile pic

    • @cristopheralexander1583
      @cristopheralexander1583 3 роки тому

      And even if you don't speak the language haha

  • @adot704
    @adot704 5 років тому +2065

    Incorrect pins could be explained by dehydration too, a symptom of dehydration is confusion and could mean they couldn’t remember the password for the phone

    • @Semispace
      @Semispace 4 роки тому +202

      knowing they are west european white girls, a pin code is automated muscle memory at that point.

    • @Origmist
      @Origmist 4 роки тому +143

      Once a pin that I typed 30+ times a day just slipped my mind and to this day I still forgot what it was so it still happens and even more when you’re dehydrated

    • @36minutesago7
      @36minutesago7 4 роки тому +82

      Or one was incapacitated and the other tried to use her phone.

    • @86themadhatter27
      @86themadhatter27 4 роки тому +16

      I missed the pin twice in my bank card at the store the other day just cause i was hungover :D

    • @BurnedSpace
      @BurnedSpace 4 роки тому +25

      i screw my pin up sometimes. it happens. especially if you’ve been lost in the costa rican wilderness for a week

  • @krtee43
    @krtee43 3 роки тому +334

    Theory: the last few images were attempts to take a picture of someone following them and one of the pictures actually caught the person doing it. The last picture they could have heard a footstep and took that picture to try and see what it was.

    • @MafuyusZoloft
      @MafuyusZoloft 2 роки тому +28

      That's such a scary theory lol

    • @liceous
      @liceous 2 роки тому +13

      Wtf horrifying lmao

    • @jamboi6349
      @jamboi6349 2 роки тому

      I think this theory could very well be true due to the fact that photo 509 was deleted, i think it captured the perpetrator in the photo and once the girls were dead he deleted it and put it back where it was or planted it so it didn’t seem suspicious but it was more suspicious that 509 was gone. It’s also dumb that the perp didn’t fix the names of the photos so it wasn’t obvious that 509 was missing

  • @propottylegend9439
    @propottylegend9439 2 роки тому +39

    _"Hell is empty cause most devils are on earth"_
    -William Shakespeare

  • @beth8024
    @beth8024 4 роки тому +1546

    That is quite literally my worst nightmare. Can you imagine being lost in a place you don’t know, only a camera, pitch black, no service, and you’re injured. Can you imagine that?! I can’t even.

    • @StandON707
      @StandON707 3 роки тому +4

      @Traveller Tribe's?

    • @arminiuscherusci4410
      @arminiuscherusci4410 3 роки тому +8

      @Houssain Al ahmafi In fact, there are no dangerous animals living in this area. Those girls never went missing

    • @MightyJabroni
      @MightyJabroni 3 роки тому +11

      @@arminiuscherusci4410 I am not sure if mountain lions qualify as "not dangerous".

    • @pettylittleliarbussy
      @pettylittleliarbussy 3 роки тому +13

      I would most probably have a heart attack and die on the spot once the realization hit that I was that desolate

    • @SEliteGuitarist
      @SEliteGuitarist 2 роки тому +20

      Which is why I don't understand why anyone would go to these places without a satellite nphone handy. So dumb.

  • @gavingreenhorn
    @gavingreenhorn 5 років тому +2484

    Had anyone questioned the dog?

    • @rz5062
      @rz5062 5 років тому +330

      @Sreenath Aether Fled the country when he heard the jig was up.

    • @hannahmilliner3488
      @hannahmilliner3488 5 років тому +7

      😂😂

    • @iherrrx
      @iherrrx 5 років тому +134

      The dog lived, it returned alone and that’s what made the host family worry.

    • @p0p5t4r_
      @p0p5t4r_ 5 років тому +23

      Asap Iggy r u dumb?

    • @Niki-et2io
      @Niki-et2io 5 років тому +32

      @@p0p5t4r_ did you watch the video you dumbbell?

  • @LucasSilva-rs7yl
    @LucasSilva-rs7yl 3 роки тому +62

    My girlfriend said that they were taking those pictures just to mark where they have passed before, to make sure that they wasnt walking in circles

    • @hazri8758
      @hazri8758 3 роки тому +8

      Actually that makes sense. But what about the 87 pitch black images? What were they trying to capture though? It still baffles me.

    • @LucasSilva-rs7yl
      @LucasSilva-rs7yl 3 роки тому +2

      @@hazri8758 they had an Iphone right? Iphone has this function to take a lot of photos in sequence, how much time between every pitch black photo?

    • @hazri8758
      @hazri8758 3 роки тому +3

      @@LucasSilva-rs7yl woah I didn't know that. Now I'd like to see the timestamp of all photos. Nexpo didn't cover this.

    • @LucasSilva-rs7yl
      @LucasSilva-rs7yl 3 роки тому +2

      @@hazri8758 Yeah, makes sense, I will check that too!

    • @MightyJabroni
      @MightyJabroni 3 роки тому +5

      Nah, it is far more likely that they used the flash of their camera (not their phone, btw) to draw attention. They used the flash as a signal, in the hope that someone would see it piercing through the dark.
      Most of the pictures were taken from the exact same position, located at the edge of an incline.
      I highly doubt that they were using the camera to make sense of their surroundings. At this point, they have been in the jungle for several days. They probably knew better than to be on the move in pitch black darkness. Because a jungle at night is REALLY dark. Zero point in being moving at night, as you simply get lost even more. And probably will take an hour to cover even 100 meters.
      Even resuce forces (under most circumstansces) don't navigate through the forest (let alone a jungle) at night. It simply makes no sense.

  • @leutiagrey8030
    @leutiagrey8030 3 роки тому +414

    Why wasn’t it ever mentioned by anyone how their heads/skulls were never found?! Where are BOTH of their HEADS????

    • @highkit
      @highkit 3 роки тому

      @drmurde55 Probably.

    • @billblaski9523
      @billblaski9523 3 роки тому +92

      The majority of their bodies weren't found. Just a foot and piece of hip bone were found. Thats it

    • @pixeled9683
      @pixeled9683 3 роки тому +26

      not all of their remains were found

    • @tillie1217
      @tillie1217 3 роки тому +5

      I know this might be off topic but why did they never check the girls cameras that were in the back pack?

    • @treyramirez8941
      @treyramirez8941 3 роки тому +6

      @@tillie1217 they did

  • @maleth_2034
    @maleth_2034 5 років тому +2188

    Are we going to forget that you dont need the password to the phone to make an emergency call.

    • @maleth_2034
      @maleth_2034 5 років тому +194

      @FritoSalad Oh yeah you're right

    • @YVZSTUDIOS
      @YVZSTUDIOS 5 років тому +119

      I'm pretty sure that it was already introduced by that time.
      Here is a questions about that feature, which was published in April 2013
      android.stackexchange.com/questions/43546/whats-the-purpose-of-emergency-call-button-on-sim-unlock-screen

    • @adambryan411
      @adambryan411 5 років тому +254

      RREDWING _
      Yes, it absolutely was. In fact, even dating back to the nokia phones, before even The Razor came out, this feature has been available. Seriously, i know this to be a fact, because i was able to dial 911 in 2003, on a 2 year old prepaid nokia, that didn't even have any minutes left.
      A friend of mine, i think it was in '06, used his mom's phone to call 911, despite not knowing her access pin (his grandmother had a heart attack, but lived)
      This is a universal feature, & has been for a very, VERY long time.
      This wasn't a matter of Lisanne attempting to unlock the phone, to call for help. She didn't need it to do so.
      These poor girls were murdered. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that points to foul play, and i find it absurd that anyone who knows their ass from a fucking hole in the ground could honestly think otherwise.

    • @maleth_2034
      @maleth_2034 5 років тому +30

      @@adambryan411 Alright I'm glad you know the right answer, I was never in a situation where I needed to make an emergency call.

    • @ishenicole9987
      @ishenicole9987 5 років тому +2

      True

  • @AvelierPlays
    @AvelierPlays 6 років тому +871

    Tropical jungles are no joke, you can get dehidrated and exhausted by the humidity and heat relatively quickly. The dense vegetation also can make you confused as to where you’re going and where you came from.
    People underestimate nature and think that their cell phones will work everywhere.

    • @Puzzledtraveller
      @Puzzledtraveller 5 років тому +69

      Wild animals, there are large cats in those regions.

    • @davidlamis
      @davidlamis 5 років тому +21

      Or they were a victim of a crime

    • @xion1305
      @xion1305 5 років тому +2

      I always say to bring a sat phone as mostly cell phones dont get coverage in remote places.

    • @DrEetswa
      @DrEetswa 5 років тому +12

      Lol bruhh have u ever played Minecraft before?

    • @saidabimelec8506
      @saidabimelec8506 5 років тому +1

      phones have compasses

  • @magicalplace3788
    @magicalplace3788 2 роки тому +35

    Kind of suspicious that the girls went straight from taking pictures of themselves to not taking even one picture of themselves. Not even sunset pictures. This is especially suspicious knowing the time gap between the sudden change, and the fact that there was one deleted picture exactly before the sudden change. I'm convinced that someone was in that picture and he was not pleased with it. Possibly befriending them before turning up on them. Could be a guide or someone who knows the place (he didn't get lost and probably knew where to take them without getting caught).

  • @setankredit
    @setankredit 3 роки тому +174

    When you go to a place where you different than anyone else in that area, like clothes, skin, hair, race. Be careful

    • @Anw4rr10r
      @Anw4rr10r 3 роки тому +13

      This can't be overstated.

    • @colecooper5836
      @colecooper5836 3 роки тому +15

      Even in your own country.

    • @ollijokinen1571
      @ollijokinen1571 3 роки тому +6

      @@colecooper5836 Not everybody lives in a third world country.

    • @garnetcohline573
      @garnetcohline573 3 роки тому +5

      Yeah, I find that foreigners know less about areas as such, and ultimately are seen as the ideal target. I'm unsure of how they get a kick out of committing these heinous crimes though -- really truly, it's just a waste of everybody's time.
      As much as I want to say that it feels these types of videos are essentially romanticizing the whole case, and undervaluing this person's death, I still use these to acknowledge different cases, and use them in examples.
      + In a previous comment I wrote, I was talking about how anime/video games does NOT affect your hostility or ambience. In that comment, I referenced an 11 year old Japanese girl, who had committed a murder IN school. After finding out she delved into horror genres, and read a ton of things circling that concept vaguely, people came to the conclusion that it was -- simply put -- the books and gore she watched and read that was at fault. Frankly, I don't think those books were the cause of her feeling the heavy desire to kill, but again, you can never be certain. 11 year olds are influenced quite easily.

    • @wandererxiaoflowers
      @wandererxiaoflowers 2 роки тому +1

      when you go anywhere where you can stand out like a sore thumb for something you either can't hide or can't change you have to be careful. it doesn't matter what it is or where you are.

  • @soggypotato6381
    @soggypotato6381 5 років тому +2456

    Deleted photo is her dead friend

    • @iCourtneyyy
      @iCourtneyyy 5 років тому +737

      yeah, maybe she took a flash photo to see if her friend was still down somewhere when she stopped answering..and got her answer.. id delete it too probably

    • @raymondvalasquez3992
      @raymondvalasquez3992 5 років тому +58

      @@iCourtneyyy So what happened to the friend in this situation? The one that was dead first?

    • @killskar5834
      @killskar5834 5 років тому +43

      @@iCourtneyyy yeah but the thing is the phone she had and was taking pictures with was her friends, why'd she have the phone already

    • @Adde-hy7wx
      @Adde-hy7wx 5 років тому +356

      I think it was a photo intended to show authorities of the broken of foot as her best effort of saving her friend then days later when her hopes of survival disappeared she could not stand the photo and deleted it and probably not thinking it would be a problem later for the authorities. (as "evidence" of this theory, she had A LOT of horrifying days to think about that scary picture which probably led to her deleting it) Very sad if you imagine that story line... Rest in peace Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon.

    • @sumonchakrabartty5049
      @sumonchakrabartty5049 5 років тому +216

      If she deleted the photo that means she had access to the pin to unlock the phone, but then why were there unsuccessful attempts to unlock the phone?

  • @pocket1122
    @pocket1122 4 роки тому +2819

    After this video, a lot of girls are probably removing “I love to hike” from their tinder bios

    • @mr.popper9759
      @mr.popper9759 4 роки тому +55

      "I love to jog."

    • @AarenYASS
      @AarenYASS 4 роки тому +75

      would finally be smart of them. spontaneous "wanderlust" is overly romanticized in media and thats why they be dyin. -

    • @mr.popper9759
      @mr.popper9759 4 роки тому +9

      @@FishbedFive yo como ingles niños

    • @neerajsinghbarwar3785
      @neerajsinghbarwar3785 4 роки тому +1

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @mhsmhs2217
      @mhsmhs2217 4 роки тому +14

      "I don't eat animals because I love them"... Until they get eaten by a random phyton.

  • @Wvlfmane
    @Wvlfmane 3 місяці тому +5

    Hiking in Panamanian jungles with no guide or anything. That’s just absolutely insane.

  • @kokichiouma3784
    @kokichiouma3784 2 роки тому +6

    The images make it even more disturbing

  • @fatimascrying
    @fatimascrying 4 роки тому +6299

    The girl's family: hey these girls went missing, could you please look for them?
    Police: *yall hear sumn*

    • @edwardmerriam6970
      @edwardmerriam6970 4 роки тому +188

      I don't blame them to be honest. There are probably tons of issues going on in Panama that the national police have to deal with. Actual Panamanian citizens who need immediate help. I seriously doubt any of them would want to find some entitled rich white girls who stupidly decided to go into the inhospitable jungle without any sort of guidance, experience, or preparation.

    • @luke12346789
      @luke12346789 4 роки тому +47

      It is what it is... In my country there is a saying:
      >>> You can save the deceases, not the fools

    • @fluxxy6260
      @fluxxy6260 4 роки тому +23

      @@edwardmerriam6970 Nexpo said "It was handled lightly" so that means that, they did took care of it but it wasn't until its finished.

    • @jenaiahgoguette5126
      @jenaiahgoguette5126 4 роки тому +187

      @@edwardmerriam6970 they're rich because they parents worked for it dont blame them for being rich and they white cuz they were born like this yeah they did a mistake by not telling anyone where they were going but their skin color or their wealth has nothing to do with it stop your prejudice

    • @debadritads
      @debadritads 4 роки тому +50

      @George C Don't you think, that this way of thinking makes Caucasian /upper economic girls more vulnerable to brutal crimes.

  • @30yearspast
    @30yearspast 5 років тому +3642

    The dog killed the 2 girls and went home. Case solved, arrest the dog.

    • @Deadlychills
      @Deadlychills 5 років тому +61

      SupremeHeartz OMG it all makes sense!

    • @sudonude4062
      @sudonude4062 5 років тому +296

      what is weird... why did the dog went home? and then, why didn't they follow the dog as a dog would know better than them to find the way back to home.

    • @giovannimedina1305
      @giovannimedina1305 5 років тому +69

      @@sudonude4062 That is really strange.

    • @mrb5063
      @mrb5063 5 років тому +13

      ua-cam.com/video/DBIX_Y-fT24/v-deo.html

    • @kcx-kx8qd
      @kcx-kx8qd 5 років тому +14

      Blast the fucking mutt with a elephant gun!!

  • @voilocollective
    @voilocollective Рік тому +40

    I'm from the Netherlands. I remember watching the news about this growing up. Truly haunting. Especially when they found human remains and it was confirmed to belong to one of the girls. It shook the country so much that now if you say you're going to the panamas, people will assume you're suicidal

    • @LeetTheMan1337
      @LeetTheMan1337 Рік тому +1

      I'm from the Netherlands too and this is complete bullshit lmfao

    • @voilocollective
      @voilocollective Рік тому +6

      @@LeetTheMan1337 Dan heb je denk ik niet zo heel goed het nieuws gevolgt in die tijd.

    • @shahminhajuddin
      @shahminhajuddin 9 місяців тому

      True, only the suicidal ones go there in the name of feminism 😅
      Absolute Lunatics!!

  • @allesmogliche3559
    @allesmogliche3559 3 роки тому +26

    Never enter a jungle - it's like going to space. Because the day is short and only one, two hours later it gets dark in the jungle.

  • @Apocalyptikai
    @Apocalyptikai 3 роки тому +1490

    You should never even leave your house without someone knowing where you're going. Your parents weren't being controlling when they told you that as a kid. It's real shit. There are three rules about leaving your family or anyone to go somewhere.
    1. Tell them where you're going
    2. Tell them what time you expect to be back
    3. Say I love you
    Rest in Peace to these girls. This is heartbreaking and terrifying.

    • @chodkowski01
      @chodkowski01 3 роки тому +24

      We go hiking in the mountains in my country and before we go we always stop at the ranger station to tell them our plans and get information on our hike. To bad they didn’t stop at the police station to see if it was a safe area.

    • @TheValkyre0
      @TheValkyre0 3 роки тому +51

      "3. Say I love you" God that hit hard for some reason

    • @propottylegend9439
      @propottylegend9439 2 роки тому +2

      id say i llove u but other yes

    • @dq38aj
      @dq38aj 2 роки тому +14

      I've started to always follow the third one, I always say it when someone, not just me is going out.
      Mainly because I'll never know if that's the last time I see them or my last words to them.

    • @chaeyongbpink7645
      @chaeyongbpink7645 2 роки тому +2

      @@TheValkyre0 ikr... Life is so unpredictable anything can happen its a cruel world

  • @breaklux3823
    @breaklux3823 5 років тому +1208

    My theory:
    1) they got lost
    2) one had an accident and got severely injured or killed
    3) the other one went to look for help
    4) she died later due to exhaustion or lack of food/water
    5) bodies decomposed due to hot climate and wild animals

    • @1w598
      @1w598 5 років тому +149

      BreakLux This generally makes the most sense and is very likely what did happen.

    • @herenkapsalon
      @herenkapsalon 4 роки тому +7

      its not hot climat.

    • @GaiaLegend
      @GaiaLegend 4 роки тому +39

      @@1w598 They are killed, I'm sure of it.

    • @nolagranola13
      @nolagranola13 4 роки тому +77

      BreakLux this is definitely the most logical explanation. 1. There was a very high chance of them getting lost because they were obviously not familiar with the area. 2. This would also make sense because based of the pictures found on Kris' phone, the area looks pretty hilly and mountainous, which would explain why one of the girls had an accident where they just stepped on a rock the wrong way or maybe even fell down one of the cliffs which would most certainly hurt or maybe even kill them. And of course the other would have gone and ran for help which would explain the numerous emergency calls, failed PIN guessing attempts by most likely Lissanne, and the dry backpack on the riverside, as well as the shorts. 3. Lissanne dying would also make sense because she was probably trying to get out of the jungle, and sense the was over the span of a few days, she couldn't find her way out as she was unfamiliar with the area. 4. The bodies would have most likely decomposed, as it is a proven fact that bodies decompose faster in hotter, more humid climates, which taken in mind, 1. They were in a jungle. and 2. It was the summer, which means more hotter, humid weather. woah this took me forever to type, anyways, all im saying is that all the points you are making make perfect sense and are the most likely explanation.

    • @GaiaLegend
      @GaiaLegend 4 роки тому +33

      @@nolagranola13 There was a guide involved. I'm sure this guide lured them into a trap.

  • @martinking2909
    @martinking2909 3 роки тому +145

    Whoever the killers were, they must have been very good killers or they got lucky and succeeded in sending detectives on a wild goose chase. Either that or whoever took up investigations was thoroughly incompetent. This genuinely terrified the hell out of me and i'm rarely every moved by anything. There is absolutely no doubt that they were murdered. If they had gotten lost and were attempting to find their way back, they would probably have died of starvation and their bodies would have been found intact.

    • @kenyaaragon3944
      @kenyaaragon3944 2 роки тому +5

      Probably the latter since they didn't bother to look till day 4 i hope they rest in peace

    • @d.ml.g9902
      @d.ml.g9902 Рік тому +2

      Panamenian here. This is all rumors and stuff, but this case is bigger than it may seem, like 5 to 6 of the people that knew the girls were taking the trial died or had accidents and unable to testity or say their side of the story.
      Even worse, the taxi driver that left them close to base camp, had important info but told a couple of reporters, that if he were to say anything, his life and family will be done for and to just drop the case or some people would come looking for them.
      Hell, the police was "doing" everything they could, cuz some policemen actually do take seriously missing cases, specially here since kidnappings are a thing but more if they are foreigners but people FROM the governent were meddling in the investigations and had private meetings with the dutch government that literally no one knew, it was after the fact cuz the cars leaving a hotel close to the city had their flag but that was pretty much it. Also, the path they were walking is long but is relatively easy to go through and we have no cannibal tribe here, making the case even weirder because why they went to such lengths to not finding the girls at the right time and then covering everything altogether.
      My country is filled with corruption to the brim but when foreigners are involved, they twist their leg like no tomorrow and do whatever international org or government tells them to do, to make everything easier and maintain the appearences and good relationship.

  • @skysk3l3t0n
    @skysk3l3t0n 3 роки тому +15

    There is something so erie about this story that terrifies me

  • @1w598
    @1w598 4 роки тому +510

    Trying to imagine the amount of fear they felt with each passing hour as they were losing hope while their batteries died. Where does the mind go once you realize there's no hope? A living nightmare.

    • @kieranjaegar
      @kieranjaegar 4 роки тому +9

      Or enlightenment.

    • @thepretiso
      @thepretiso 4 роки тому +6

      ​@@kieranjaegar Your response striked me.

    • @AddictsoftheImmediate
      @AddictsoftheImmediate 4 роки тому +3

      Liberty or Death Go away.

    • @rikumajumder1558
      @rikumajumder1558 4 роки тому +4

      According to some theories, they were kidnapped, raped, murdered, chemically disposed off. So they didn't have that experience you are citing but rather a much more horrifying one...

    • @1w598
      @1w598 4 роки тому +1

      @@rikumajumder1558 Idk, but either way is absolutely terrifying to think of.

  • @a.walters123
    @a.walters123 4 роки тому +589

    I’ve seen many true crime documentaries and crime scene photos, but for some reason this story scares the shit out of me. So eerie and terrifying. Everything about this.

    • @rachelannapolaro8969
      @rachelannapolaro8969 3 роки тому +27

      Ive seen a LOT.. but this one is so terrifying.

    • @ivaivy8124
      @ivaivy8124 2 роки тому +13

      me too! I never forgotten this story and I have read a lot of them, a particularly haunting case and those nightime photos are straight from someones nightmare...

    • @joshtt3240
      @joshtt3240 2 роки тому +4

      @@ivaivy8124 definitely the creepiest out of them all.

    • @billblaski9523
      @billblaski9523 2 роки тому +2

      Definitely scary, you can make a case for either they just died naturally somehow or there was a third party that caused these girls death

    • @ivaivy8124
      @ivaivy8124 2 роки тому +2

      @@billblaski9523That you can! I personally thought that foul play was involved but thats just me... Theres too many questions unanswered! Also, i always thought that panamanian government police,etc... covered up many things and buried, they must have found something. It's just one of those haunting cases...

  • @strigonshitposting793
    @strigonshitposting793 3 роки тому +37

    The photo at 5:15, when enhanced, shows the silhouette of what looks like a figure, standing and waiting. I personally believe this is their killer.

    • @zulks0717
      @zulks0717 3 роки тому +6

      Really where do i look i cant see it

    • @insanecrack3r
      @insanecrack3r 3 роки тому

      Bottom right I think

    • @o.b7398
      @o.b7398 3 роки тому +2

      Photo was taken angled downwards. If he no spiderman i don't think that is possible

    • @strigonshitposting793
      @strigonshitposting793 3 роки тому +1

      @@o.b7398 There’s clearly a path down there, so it checks out.

    • @bellycub6731
      @bellycub6731 2 роки тому

      almost looks hunched over

  • @drizzydmys1680
    @drizzydmys1680 3 роки тому +71

    I don’t think lissane would have tried to open her friends phone. Reason being dialing 911 or whatever their 911 is you don’t need to unlock a phone for emergencies. My guess is the people who attacked them did that. Sad. RIP may the lord let us smash whoever did that.

    • @Vivian_Reddy
      @Vivian_Reddy 2 роки тому +4

      This can be read in two different ways.....

  • @jo979
    @jo979 4 роки тому +1790

    These girls did NOT get lost. I’ve just started watching a doc on this and a local said it’s impossible to lose your way. It’s one path and you don’t even need a guide to find your way. Definitely foul play. Hundreds have gone missing from the same area. The presenters are walking the very same trail and yes - it’s one wide path.

    • @Triplebrc
      @Triplebrc 4 роки тому +52

      It is likely that someone or something spooked them, leading them to panic and running into the jungle losing their way, would explain why the dog noped the hell out of there too. Could have been a person, a group of aggressive people, or one of the jungles predators. If nothing spooked them, it could also be that they were just dumb and got lost because of it, I have seen people do some absolutely retarded shit on a whim so I can imagine them wanting to explore a bit further, straying off the path and quickly losing their way since they were unfamiliar with the terrain and had zero experience navigating in a jungle, maybe they just underestimated it.
      Of course foul play could be involved, but there are too many things speaking against it being a planned murder if you ask me.

    • @insanecrack3r
      @insanecrack3r 3 роки тому +170

      @@Triplebrc Explain the clean cut from the leg, an animal can't do that

    • @bathnoodles2753
      @bathnoodles2753 3 роки тому +9

      @@insanecrack3r wait which cut

    • @dmin5782
      @dmin5782 3 роки тому +144

      @@bathnoodles2753 The found foot was dismembered clean.

    • @superknightlol
      @superknightlol 3 роки тому +34

      @@insanecrack3r falling down from high place could have ream the bone and nature do the rest if eating the meat around it making the food fall off.
      you need to remember the only thing holding bone is tendon and it could have weaken overtime.

  • @ethanhawksley9097
    @ethanhawksley9097 5 років тому +1071

    I should stop watching these videos

  • @nikkygtv
    @nikkygtv Рік тому +7

    my question is - why would a perpetrator go through all of the effort of deleting one photo, rather than just taking the camera or destroying it completely?

    • @pant104
      @pant104 Рік тому

      That's the right question to ask. The answer is, there was no perpetrator.

  • @cptray-steam
    @cptray-steam 3 роки тому +81

    It's horrifying and sad trying to imagine their last moments. It brings tears to my eyes. :'(

    • @benazizalassaad6909
      @benazizalassaad6909 3 роки тому +3

      Me 2 rip for both of them i still think FG the tour guide is one of the killers

    • @guynxtdork
      @guynxtdork 2 роки тому

      They are in a better place.

  • @SidMajors
    @SidMajors 4 роки тому +2880

    Lisanne was a classmate of mine in high school. I obviously know what happened to her but I was still quite shocked to see this video.
    She was the sweetest girl you could know. Always nice and laughing. She would never say anything bad. A perfect student too. And she didnt necessaraly stand out. A humble girl.
    We weren’t friends or anything. But this girl is the last person who would deserve an end like this. Still very sad...
    Having a real hard time listening to her story :/

    • @lexetordo8954
      @lexetordo8954 4 роки тому +190

      And this the problem people are naive to think the rest of the world is as sweet and as kind as the one they live in.

    • @SidMajors
      @SidMajors 4 роки тому +287

      Lex et Ordo
      I agree with you that there are many naive and ignorant people on this planet. But I do not think Lisanne and Kris were totally oblivious to realities there. You can’t just assume we’re all stupid in the west and don’t know what happens in other countries.

    • @SidMajors
      @SidMajors 4 роки тому +168

      Semper fidelis Semper Paratus
      Yes as far as I understand, parts of their bodies are found. The circumstances of their deaths, while officialy stated as accidents, really are still a mystery..
      iirc the parents of Kris and brother of Lisanne have done the small little hike the girls did on that day. I’ve seen the footage. It’s just a small hike, in a semi populated area. Houses and people living pretty close. And not really a path/hike you would get lost on. They were smart girls too. So hard to think they would go off track without a very very good reason..

    • @lexetordo8954
      @lexetordo8954 4 роки тому +13

      @@SidMajors of course we arent but, their is a large number of westerners who are and that's the bad part.

    • @SidMajors
      @SidMajors 4 роки тому +42

      Semper fidelis Semper Paratus
      Yeah, I’d definetly stop her too. I mean, there’s probably places that are okay. Especially if there is a male along. But I wouldn’t want to bet on it.

  • @NightmaresBeforeBedtime
    @NightmaresBeforeBedtime 6 років тому +1282

    This case gave me the creeps when I first learned about it. What happened to Kris and Lisanne is heartbreaking.

    • @anascitrine
      @anascitrine 6 років тому +17

      Nightmares Before Bedtime It haunts me every time I visit Boquete, I think the path they went trough is now closed

    • @EgoAlters
      @EgoAlters 6 років тому +1

      Bone breaking rather.

    • @cody_nzealand4515
      @cody_nzealand4515 6 років тому +85

      Ana Patricia I went to Boquete last week while on vacation and hiked the El Pianista specifically bc of these 2 girls. I got to the top and took a few selfies like the girls did, but immediately lost track of the trail and went into full panic mode, running back downhill thru the jungle instead of backtracking. Luckily I had working GPS on my phone, but there was NOBODY and I was climbing, crawling, scooting and walking downhill thru a lot of vegetation practically unpassable.. at one point, I leaned my hand on a tree, grabbing hold of a Green Vine Snake and I FREAKED out... Ended up wandering onto private property beside the start of the trail after TWO Hours but I never was so scared, I even left trails of trash written with my name in permanent marker and even wrote a note, leaving it in a plastic bottle. That trail is no joke, and if they didn't have GPS I can see how they would've panicked like me and lost sense of direction, going further into the nothing.
      As for the water issue, there are rivers, as well as the rain. They easily could've found water.

    • @totallyjonesin
      @totallyjonesin 5 років тому

      You have a great channel going there too Nightmares Before Bedtime.

    • @sleepymisty9667
      @sleepymisty9667 5 років тому +4

      Cody_nzealand ~ Wow, I could feel your panic! You couldn't pay me enough!!

  • @raymondkertezc364
    @raymondkertezc364 3 роки тому +4

    I've seen this story explained in detail before but I still wanted to see it told by you. You are awesome

  • @user-wq9mw2xz3j
    @user-wq9mw2xz3j 3 роки тому +37

    "They wrote on Facebook that they intended to walk around Boquete, and it was reported that they had been seen having brunch with two young Dutch men before embarking on the trail."

  • @YunsAvatar
    @YunsAvatar 5 років тому +454

    I do urban exploration and visit abandoned places, and after looking into a number of disappearances, it became important to me to express this:
    ALWAYS tell someone where you are going! So many people who are lost for years or pass away could have been located and saved if they had just made sure someone knew.

    • @toastsoup489
      @toastsoup489 5 років тому +38

      Also, if you get lost in a Central or South American (and even Mexico), nobody is going to make a search party or investigation unless your loved ones have the resources and/or influence to force the authorities to even care about it, I personally think that they assume that it was a cartel kidnapping so they avoid the topic like the plague since many times the police themselves are the ones that commit those kidnappings, and foreing tourists are well known to be preyed upon around these parts of the world.

    • @rochev9620
      @rochev9620 5 років тому +3

      and take someone with you!!!!!

    • @madvtecyoboostin4870
      @madvtecyoboostin4870 5 років тому +9

      YunsAvatar 100% and carry a gun, and don’t be the last in the hiking line lol

    • @ChrysusTV
      @ChrysusTV 4 роки тому +6

      There are even countless movies on this premise, including hiking ones. Someone goes hiking, doesn't tell anyone where they are, gets into trouble and can't be easily saved, some character throughout the film is like, "hey imagine if you had told people where you're going." Sometimes movies are right! And if you, for some reason, don't want to tell anyone where you're going? Unless you're on the run for privacy reasons (so maybe like 0.01% of people), you should reevaluate if you should be going somewhere if you can't or won't tell people where you're going.

    • @elitegamer8351
      @elitegamer8351 4 роки тому +2

      they were probably lesbians looking for isolation to have sex. the guys watching them from the forest could not resist getting involved....

  • @guytero8812
    @guytero8812 4 роки тому +3505

    These European girls who travel to the most dangerous and isolated places is beyond explanation.

    • @iwasanMBTInerd
      @iwasanMBTInerd 4 роки тому +405

      It makes for a good Insta photograph

    • @guytero8812
      @guytero8812 4 роки тому +118

      @@iwasanMBTInerd Mmmmmm. Nearly gave the old man a heart attack. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @Nattybumco
      @Nattybumco 4 роки тому +379

      @@SupaSand wtf?

    • @JamesTaylor-on9nz
      @JamesTaylor-on9nz 4 роки тому +225

      @@Nattybumco

    • @Nattybumco
      @Nattybumco 4 роки тому +151

      @@JamesTaylor-on9nz wtf?

  • @RPDthe3rd
    @RPDthe3rd 3 роки тому +27

    I don’t know why, but I go through these fazes of watching these dark, sinister videos. I take a break for some time, then I return to them. My mind is dark I guess...

  • @gaventer2022
    @gaventer2022 2 роки тому +1

    Great video, thanks! 🌟🌟🌟 This case sure is fascinating and extremely tragic...
    Hope they can find something else more concrete in the future.

  • @ayruia
    @ayruia 6 років тому +979

    I love the fact the he's investigating a crime and not the paranormal like always

    • @shkurka4828
      @shkurka4828 6 років тому +69

      ajwjjwj ananajwjw crimes are scarier than paranormal (at lest for me)

    • @yellowblanka6058
      @yellowblanka6058 6 років тому +47

      Yeah, I think a potential serial killer preying on people for decades is a lot more frightening than a film defect that people insist is a "ghost".

    • @shkurka4828
      @shkurka4828 6 років тому +25

      That's why asian horror films never scare me. They rely too much on ghosts and spirits, and I don't believe in those. Same thing with Paranormal activity movies. Creepy shit like this is only scary when you experience it yourself.

    • @Handel_Opaz
      @Handel_Opaz 6 років тому +4

      I agree completely. So Ryan if you read this, please cover more lesser-known true crime stories. There's too much videos on Dear David and other dumb ghost stories already on UA-cam.

    • @JohnDoe-es8ux
      @JohnDoe-es8ux 6 років тому +3

      unsolved murders and mysterious disappearances are especially juicy

  • @YAH2121
    @YAH2121 5 років тому +1724

    Moral of the story: foreign white girls please stop going hiking by yourselves in the Panamanian​ jungle without bringing weapons or telling anyone exactly where you're going.

    • @JarthenGreenmeadow
      @JarthenGreenmeadow 5 років тому +61

      Bringing weapons? How about flashlights, maps and compass? I mean a machete/hatchet is standard kit if thats what you mean by weapon.
      A gun does you literally 0 good in the pitch black.

    • @YAH2121
      @YAH2121 5 років тому +92

      @@JarthenGreenmeadow Yes, a weapon. I never even mentioned guns lol. It should be common sense to bring hiking-tier gear if you going to do just that, so much so i didn't even bother mentioning it.

    • @phuck8627
      @phuck8627 4 роки тому +17

      sadly tho depending on where you go, there might be laws against people carrying weapons who aren't from their country (not saying it shouldn't be done, just saying you can get in trouble either way)

    • @accomplisheddiplomat4091
      @accomplisheddiplomat4091 4 роки тому +52

      @Gavan That's their own naivety, not feminism as a whole. Don't bring that shit into it.

    • @panonymousbloom5405
      @panonymousbloom5405 4 роки тому +85

      ​@@DarkArterialGore I can't believe the kind of person you have to be to comment something like that under the case where two *real girls died* after being lost for *10 days* in a jungle.

  • @johngaleazza3652
    @johngaleazza3652 2 роки тому +4

    Taking pictures to light up the night??? It's 2014 by that time nearly all cellphones had a flashlight function that allows the flash to be used outside of the camera function.

  • @sewnkin_fournine
    @sewnkin_fournine 3 роки тому +63

    This is probably my favorite unsolved case. Its downright creepy...some people say that in the "hair picture" you can see blood while another picture you can see someone standing in the dark. I cant imagine how scared they were....especially after their phones died. This particular case will stay with me forever and I hope answers come soon. Its incredibly strange that their were other prints on the backpack. AND that the police didnt look into the prints during the investigation. I know that area is a popular tourist spot and they didnt want their reputation to sour, but since other girls went missing in that same area there has to be a point where the story told by the police falls apart. I saw some new pictures that were released and you can clearly make out that they were on a trail...why they went deeper into the jungle, im not sure...I do believe they was a third party involved. I saw a picture of the girls with two guys swimming...Im not sure if that particular picture was taken that same day, but I thought it was strange that try were with two unknown men. The fact that the school said they were early was a bit suspicious, too. Literally every aspect of this case gives me chills. I hate it.

    • @vicieux7789
      @vicieux7789 Рік тому +3

      my immediate thought was that it was a shadowy figure, too! so creepy

    • @sewnkin_fournine
      @sewnkin_fournine Рік тому +1

      @@vicieux7789 yeah, right? I hate thinking about it

    • @sewnkin_fournine
      @sewnkin_fournine Рік тому

      @Nechrotica Same. I cant imagine how the families of both girls were feeling during the investigation. (Botched investigation, imo) To think that their daughters were out there in the jungle completely alone and scared...it makes me want to cry, too. This is by far the most chilling case I have ever heard. What happened to them? Why did the police handle the case the way they did? There are so many unanswered questions. :(

    • @marknewton6984
      @marknewton6984 11 місяців тому

      Corruption: town, police, guide, tourism, school.What did you expect, young girls?

    • @yohanadipola443
      @yohanadipola443 11 місяців тому +1

      Wait I didn’t see any shadowy figures can someone help me find these alleged photos?

  • @Steeksify
    @Steeksify 4 роки тому +3060

    There's a pretty well established theory that the two girls were likely abducted by two men they'd met up with the day before. They'd have to have passed too many residences and populated areas to not have been able to reach help. Their bodies were, after all, found 12 hours away from where they first tried to contact help.
    The trails to where their remains were found are clearly marked, were easily navigable at that time of year, and would have taken the girl's through populated areas.
    A guard who would have been in the area on the theorized day they were abducted had heard screaming, but hadn't been able to identify the source.
    The pictures on the camera that are all black? May have been them attempting to use the flash to get the attention of a group of campers who would have also been nearby.
    It's likely that Kris died on April 3rd, and Lisanne tried to log into her phone multiple times. Kris's bones were unnaturally white, containing high amounts of phosphorus- not a chemical naturally present in the soil where their remains were discovered.
    Both girls' bones were unmarred- which is not normal. Even if their deaths had been natural, animals chewing and clawing at them would have left some kind of mark.
    It's thought that the girls' bodies were soaked in some kind of chemical containing high amounts of phosphorus, effectively dissolving the outer layer of the bones and smoothing over any marks that may have been left. That's consistent with the condition of her foot, which is severed at a spot that would not be likely to be natural, which also shows no markings.
    It's evident to me that the girls were likely followed or arranged to meet up with some cute guys they'd met and, as a result, met their end.

    • @phetmanonline
      @phetmanonline 4 роки тому +453

      Finally someone with grain of intelligence here.

    • @MM-vt3hf
      @MM-vt3hf 4 роки тому +47

      I agree

    • @syntheticteapot
      @syntheticteapot 4 роки тому +47

      My sentiments exactly.

    • @Homiloko2
      @Homiloko2 4 роки тому +132

      >or arranged to meet up with some cute guys they'd met
      Well damn.. That's actually a possibility

    • @desperado3236
      @desperado3236 4 роки тому +131

      Thank you for that. You pretty much said it better then i could.
      Its a more logical theory then the accident one.

  • @amandappg822
    @amandappg822 4 роки тому +1910

    The missing photo probably had their attacker in it...

  • @Jordysegs89
    @Jordysegs89 8 місяців тому +6

    The girls were already deceased before the photos were taken

  • @jasminkia9436
    @jasminkia9436 3 роки тому +1

    The best presentation so far, like that you pause in between, makes it less stressfull to listen to. Way to many are babling without a break, sounds like they are having a nervous breakdown. Foul play for sure, and absolutely could be the young boy who murdered the other girl. Why suddely lots of pictures on the 8th, after weeks a clean and dry backpack appears , deleted photo impossible to recover etc, too many strange things to just be an accident..

  • @shelmmii9425
    @shelmmii9425 4 роки тому +751

    I feel so sad for them.... I can't even imagine the fear they must've felt...

    • @Fercho-js6hs
      @Fercho-js6hs 4 роки тому +23

      Damn right man you cant see shet on those jungles take my word i am panamenian

    • @AnDajana
      @AnDajana 4 роки тому +86

      @Liberty or Death Not having an ounce of empathy is not something you should be broadcasting to the world, bud

    • @BalooDumptruck
      @BalooDumptruck 4 роки тому +32

      @Liberty or Death okay boomer

    • @pyromaniac3098
      @pyromaniac3098 4 роки тому +15

      @Liberty or Death but they didn't kill anyone lol

    • @pyromaniac3098
      @pyromaniac3098 4 роки тому +20

      @Liberty or Death but noone else, so your example with some teenager texing while driving and smashing another car & killing people is not comparable. they underestimated the jungle's danger and in the end died but they didn't kill other people

  • @tedlogan4867
    @tedlogan4867 5 років тому +389

    In the Tropics, body decomposition is very rapid due to numerous insects and high temperatures and humidity.

    • @MyChristi123
      @MyChristi123 5 років тому

      Ted Logan ew

    • @joelongo85
      @joelongo85 5 років тому +3

      True. Also animals could have gotten at the bodies.

    • @filthygarbage
      @filthygarbage 5 років тому +1

      thats realy nasty, but true

    • @limbokidthedank8746
      @limbokidthedank8746 5 років тому +1

      ah yes, you seem to know a lot about corpses my ominous sounding friend, I am sure, however, that you are to be trusted

    • @vampirecount3880
      @vampirecount3880 5 років тому +1

      In the tropic investigators do take into consideration that to calculate the decomposition, so if they say the body should be found in better condition that means they compared witht he location the body was fund and not in siberia

  • @Acaerwen
    @Acaerwen 3 роки тому +66

    me: *grabs a cookie and takes a bite*
    Nexpo: Her shoe with her foot still in it and a fragment of Lisanne's pelvis
    me: *put down cookie*

    • @hazri8758
      @hazri8758 3 роки тому +1

      I was eating chicken nugget..

    • @angelikabinczycka
      @angelikabinczycka 3 роки тому

      @@hazri8758 Me too 😂😂

    • @trollege9488
      @trollege9488 2 роки тому

      I ate 4 fried chicken before watching this video

  • @The_Huddle.
    @The_Huddle. Рік тому +4

    Nexpo really needs to do more missing persons cases

  • @SevenBliss
    @SevenBliss 4 роки тому +616

    4 days for the police to respond?? That's one of the worst things about this lol

    • @user-rx3js1no3s
      @user-rx3js1no3s 4 роки тому +10

      They knew they are dead.

    • @paigegilmar
      @paigegilmar 4 роки тому +5

      Absolutely terrible.

    • @Mr_Amit
      @Mr_Amit 4 роки тому +5

      When someone goes missing, the police wait for sometime before logging a FIR.
      The waiting time varies from place to place.. for eg. Here in India it's 24 hrs.
      Maybe in Panama they wait for 4 days

    • @jannaschindler6064
      @jannaschindler6064 3 роки тому +2

      Authorities said they assumed the girls found people and were partying and weren’t concerned. Smh.

    • @xl.damien4735
      @xl.damien4735 3 роки тому +3

      4 days some Detroit shit

  • @smileforhiba
    @smileforhiba 5 років тому +435

    today is April 1, 2019 ... just 5 years after their death ... may their souls rest in peace! and may we all be protected from evil

    • @candykrith1232
      @candykrith1232 5 років тому +2

      There need to investigation

    • @Sypaka
      @Sypaka 5 років тому +5

      They already tried to jump out their coffins: it's a prank, bro

    • @joeymalaria4702
      @joeymalaria4702 5 років тому +6

      candy Krith it probably just isn’t worth the effort since it is extremely dated.

    • @vampirecount3880
      @vampirecount3880 5 років тому +13

      I wish i know what happened before i die. This is one of the curiositys that hount my dreams for years.

    • @andrew881000
      @andrew881000 4 роки тому

      "may we all be protected from evil" when we just had a mass shooting...

  • @Eztliz
    @Eztliz 3 роки тому +7

    Everytime I read more about this the creepier it becomes.

  • @Tealeefers
    @Tealeefers 5 місяців тому +2

    This is why I don’t go camping or hike if I can avoid it. This is one of my worst fears. I cannot imagine how terrifying it would be to be lost in the woods after leaving your dead best friend, with nothing but a camera to light the way. And if there was someone following them..dear god. If I ever go camping or hiking, I always ALWAYS make sure someone knows where I am. I tell them the path I plan on taking, and if I have service, I tell them where on the trail I am and send pictures. This stuff is horrifying

  • @javier7high
    @javier7high 5 років тому +2031

    Dont let the propaganda fool you to think that people from other cultures are as welcoming as you. I live in latin america and let me tell you that you have to know how to get around, doing the usual can be complicated.
    You are so used to the safety at your countries / hometowns, when you come to places like ours you just dont know how different it can be.

    • @knightshade2654
      @knightshade2654 5 років тому +173

      A few years ago, my family took a vacation to Jamica. We stayed at a Beaches resort, and you had to sign a release contract saying that the resort was not responsible for anything if you went off-grounds.

    • @SLCtica
      @SLCtica 5 років тому +124

      Can confirm mom is from El Salvador and my dad is from Costa Rica. There are places the locals won't visit where a tourist wouldn't stand a chance.

    • @javier7high
      @javier7high 5 років тому +13

      @@SLCtica What a coincidence, I'm from El Salvador, I still live here.

    • @AtlisDe
      @AtlisDe 5 років тому +67

      @I will feast on your heart! someone actually once got mad at me because i said i did not want to visit latin america, i realize a bunch of things could go wrong. Doing research is key, but i'm not much of a traveler anyway on top of me watching way too many videos likes this. They tried assuring me people over there are super welcoming towards tourists which i don't doubt some are, and that everything would be fine, and i'm just ignorant. so, its funny you guys say this. There's definitely a lot to consider when travelling, not just people and customs, but the terrain and wildlife too.

    • @lonewanderer1328
      @lonewanderer1328 5 років тому +17

      Tali De be wise and alive

  • @razorwire3056
    @razorwire3056 5 років тому +451

    I'm a hiker, so from that perspective I would say yes, the girls went into that hike completely unprepared. With that said, the missing photo had to have been deleted on purpose. They wouldn't do that. The fact that it came between the last day time and first night time images tells me it was a photo of something important. I do not necessarily believe they were using the flash to light up the trail. I think they were using the flash to try to see someone who was out there. I cannot imagine a more terrifying situation to be in. I've slept in the woods. I've gone out intentionally without a tent and I am very much at home out there. BUT to be out there, alone, with no means to communicate KNOWING someone or something was out there in the dark.... harrowing doesn't begin to describe that hike. That photo is crucial and I think someone still has it.

    • @highadmiraljt5853
      @highadmiraljt5853 4 роки тому +35

      Richard Dupuis
      Maybe it was a photo of themselves that they didn’t like?

    • @VettaBoop
      @VettaBoop 4 роки тому +5

      @@highadmiraljt5853 right! 🤣🤣

    • @TheAivaxT
      @TheAivaxT 4 роки тому +8

      But why would 3rd party just leave the camera

    • @VettaBoop
      @VettaBoop 4 роки тому +2

      @@TheAivaxT because then maybe someone would be looking for the missing camera.

    • @Capelett
      @Capelett 4 роки тому +9

      It looks to me like they were using the flash from the camera to see things ahead of them, like cliffs. Perhaps the deleted photos were blurry pictures or instances where they forgot to turn on flash?

  • @maxsportsman2416
    @maxsportsman2416 Рік тому +8

    Is it just me or were these two girls extremely niaive to go backpacking in Latin America without a male and to go into the wilderness without a gun? Anyone else agree with me?

    • @fettel1988
      @fettel1988 Рік тому +2

      Two fresh white girls. Yeah they totally "disappeared"

    • @JoshuaAlipio-up9fx
      @JoshuaAlipio-up9fx 3 місяці тому

      Of course they could be raped by those indigenous panama male people!

  • @mazterford
    @mazterford 4 місяці тому +1

    “I love you all”..only nexpo can say it while having me goosebumps…

  • @mirandamendez696
    @mirandamendez696 4 роки тому +3525

    Panamanian here. I used to hike through that trail with my family and friends, so I got chills recognizing a few parts of the path in the video.
    The trail is clearly marked, and it travels through many houses of indigenous people, going through open hills, even a a few rivers while you ascend the mountain before it truly gets into uncharted rain forest. Even though there is a considerate amount of people at the base of the mountain (people live there, go there, theres even a restaurant connected to one of its entrances), the only exception to solitude is the occasional small hut in the higher areas.
    In terms of terrain, it can be rather dangerous without a guide because there is little visibility through the tropical jungle, very rocky with sudden cliffs, but as stated before, the path is clearly marked and no one should get lost on their own. There are no large predators in the area, the only possibility for a dangerous animal would be venomous snakes, frogs, or plants. In terms of water supplies, there are a few streams and the like available, and our dry season ends at around that time, so there are chances of rain (Id have to look at the weather reports of those days). Dehydration would be enhanced by hot water vapor and humidity, reducing their energy supplies. None of the possible causes of natural death explain the condition their bodies were found.
    Our police force is not prepared for emergencies inside dense tropical forests ironically enough. Their counterpart, SENAFRONT, has the jungle training, but theyre stationed around the borders to stop drug related crime. The further you go from the main cities, the less equipment, resources, manpower and know how SENAPROC has due to centralization by the government. Just to paint a picture and add more context about organization here, the legal justice system usually waits for years to properly solve simple crimes in court.
    Also I will add that pretty much everyone has a phone in this country, with 6 million phones vs 4 million people, with a clear emphasis for smart phones.
    Boquete is a small tourist town in the highlands, where there are a lot of retired and/or tourist European and Americans, with a constant influx of visitors. Really anyone could have the knowledge to access those phones and tamper with the info at a basic level.
    Also Jesus, they actually mentioned the girl killed in Bocas. Im kind of surprised with the connection made in the video, as right now there are rumors of an ongoing investigation of a serial killer through the FBI, that someone seasonally travels to Panama to target other tourists, specifically young white girls, before heading home as a type of vacation feature. There are previous cases of the like, ie the Wild Bill case.
    (Also all the footage of Panama here is from Panama City, which is on the other side of the country, faraway from where these incidents took place.)

    • @trutle88
      @trutle88 4 роки тому +52

      Miranda Mendez So what do you suspect this was??

    • @cudithekid3811
      @cudithekid3811 4 роки тому +189

      I appreciate your input

    • @LGZ024
      @LGZ024 4 роки тому +110

      Very informative Thanks for all the additional info!

    • @LGZ024
      @LGZ024 4 роки тому +31

      @Jaw Less • 14 years ago . Just a in depth perspective from a Panama native I found it quite interesting because I'm fascinated w this case and the mystery that surrounds it. If that's not the case w u then it might not be a good read.

    • @n0m4d57
      @n0m4d57 4 роки тому +5

      going off subject, you have the name of a celebrity, maybe you'll be famous on day...

  • @jasd1183
    @jasd1183 5 років тому +802

    Morel of the story is to not leave your home and don’t talk to people case closed

    • @bogman744
      @bogman744 5 років тому +4

      Jas D
      the case is closed by extrapolating a moral?
      uuuh, no...not by any measure.

    • @MIGU3L2K
      @MIGU3L2K 5 років тому +5

      Have you not seen The Strangers? Why did the strangers kill the married couple? “Because they were at home”

    • @skandababy
      @skandababy 5 років тому +3

      what does mushrooms have to do with this?

    • @trevorrogers95
      @trevorrogers95 5 років тому +7

      You spelled morsel wrong.

    • @athanasiosgiogakis
      @athanasiosgiogakis 5 років тому

      @@trevorrogers95 So did you, it is moral

  • @danielmurphy7544
    @danielmurphy7544 3 роки тому +20

    Very disturbing story, my prayers for these two souls. If there was a competent police department. I would begin with the person who 'found' the backpack, which obviously wasn't floating in a river for all that time. The fact that they never tried to call or text anyone, like family or their hosts is unexplainable also.

    • @annalisa32
      @annalisa32 5 місяців тому

      Also they apparently had opened the contact page for the foster mother, but didn’t try to call her… just opened it and took a screenshot (probably accidental)

  • @Qs123
    @Qs123 3 роки тому +44

    One of the girls was strangled to death. Both girls were already dead before the night photos were taken. So kris wasn't alive in the head/hair photo!!!

    • @bugrilyus
      @bugrilyus 3 роки тому

      what?

    • @billblaski9523
      @billblaski9523 3 роки тому +5

      @@bugrilyus theres a photo where it looks like its the back of the redhead girls head. Its just her red hair, all messy looking, in the whole picture

    • @Lauren-hs5ht
      @Lauren-hs5ht 3 роки тому +9

      They never found their bodies - how would there be evidence of strangulation?

  • @BriggsDCory
    @BriggsDCory 4 роки тому +292

    4 days? That's negligent homicide by the local police

    • @George-jj2tp
      @George-jj2tp 3 роки тому +26

      It’s Panama, a shithole

    • @srijonn5287
      @srijonn5287 3 роки тому +6

      its not uncommon in Panama

    • @deadinthewater218
      @deadinthewater218 2 роки тому +1

      Third world gonna third world

    • @panama2468
      @panama2468 2 роки тому +3

      @@George-jj2tp shithole? Doesnt america murder unarmed people in thee day time. So...

    • @laurenhii
      @laurenhii 2 роки тому +1

      @@panama2468 No cambia el hecho de que este pais sea una mierda...

  • @eisaiyoohoo
    @eisaiyoohoo 5 років тому +389

    that photo is of a cliff, i lightened the shadows, highlights and increased the saturation of the photo 2-3 times in picsart and it shows the rest of it

    • @m00uni46
      @m00uni46 5 років тому +35

      Maria P. Do you have any place to share the edited photo? :-)

    • @kathleenmuchka2559
      @kathleenmuchka2559 5 років тому +27

      I'd love to see the enhanced photo to.

    • @AmberAmber
      @AmberAmber 5 років тому +29

      PicsArt has solved so many online questions for me · I'm glad to find a like-minded user💖👍🏼

    • @ROLBLOXCreeper123
      @ROLBLOXCreeper123 5 років тому +53

      maybe they decided to kill themselves after the hunger/pain was too unbearable or some shit

    • @Sypaka
      @Sypaka 5 років тому +8

      "of an cliff".. Top down? or Bottom up?

  • @whiteswan1118
    @whiteswan1118 3 роки тому +1

    You've got a great narrative voice

  • @thegiantratthatmakesalloft1613
    @thegiantratthatmakesalloft1613 3 роки тому +3

    nexpo circa 2018 sounds like a slightly manlier chills

  • @habbo7334
    @habbo7334 5 років тому +325

    3am is the wrong time to be watching this alone Rip

    • @sunrisehealth9652
      @sunrisehealth9652 5 років тому +3

      Hebs omg right 😂😂👀

    • @TheRealAmerica1776
      @TheRealAmerica1776 5 років тому +7

      Hebs If you live in a First world country you shouldn’t have a problem

    • @nunzioish8477
      @nunzioish8477 5 років тому +1

      OMG 3AM IS SUCH A SPOOKY TIME. ITS TOTALLY NOT A NORMAL HOUR

    • @zaleshomeowner3493
      @zaleshomeowner3493 5 років тому

      @@nunzioish8477 I think they mean that they are up really late and that is not a good time to be watching spooky shit.

    • @nunzioish8477
      @nunzioish8477 5 років тому

      @@zaleshomeowner3493 maybe but the fact that its 3 am I just hate

  • @mofogie
    @mofogie 4 роки тому +323

    dutch tourists make tourist murder headlines alot. they've got a really safe upbringing and are very curious people

    • @Andrea-pr7wo
      @Andrea-pr7wo 4 роки тому +85

      Yeah, that's sad but true.
      Because they grow up surrounded by very safe environments, they kind of believe they don't have to fear anything but reality is not like that.
      However, loosing track of reality is very common when you've grown up like that. I'm from Colombia (so yeah, no the safest and most developed country in the world). I'm not rich by any means but I was born in a very good family with more than enough money for a good house and quality education for me. Even I know that I live inside a bubble but very rich people (I don't have anything against them but of course money can give you a crazy amount of privilege specially in this kind of countries) often live in a completely different world, so they tend to be pretty naive. Victims in most disappearances and crimes like this one tend to be rich people from the big cities. There's even a story of a well know director of one of the top universities in the country (actually one of my city) that went to a national park on the US and got lost because he stopped following the path, apparently he was taking pictures of birds when he saw one he hadn't seen before and tried to follow him. He was like 10 or more days inside the forest when he was found alive (gladly). It all happened because he didn't take precautions.

    • @misslili9509
      @misslili9509 3 роки тому +14

      @Vince 76 the fools are praising themselves, they are well educated , they learned humanity and they thought the entire world is a safe place like their country , but sadly they found themselves surrounded by stupid and ignorant people just like you, from the beginning of the case , the police behavior shows a lot .( Searching for them 4days after the report) what a shame.

    • @Xpwnxage
      @Xpwnxage 3 роки тому

      @Vince 76 Those pesky Marxists, they're just like that one group of people that country starts with an I

    • @idratherstayanonimous7020
      @idratherstayanonimous7020 3 роки тому +3

      @Vince 76 A christian talking about brainwash? Go figure...

    • @xditslena9943
      @xditslena9943 3 роки тому

      as a dutch person, i can confirm that lol

  • @StummerVogel
    @StummerVogel 2 роки тому +16

    I just wanna say the theory that Lisanne ditched her pants because they "could have been chafing her" is insane. Maybe guys feel different but as a girl you would never EVER walk around in the wild in just your underwear. Do you have any idea how exposed and vulnerable that would make a woman feel? There's no way she took those off and left them of her own volition. Which of course implies something much darker...

    • @dylanverstraete5323
      @dylanverstraete5323 2 місяці тому

      Most Guys wouldnt take their pants off either though. Idk Who came up with that theory But it doesnt make sense

  • @Crackpot_Astronaut
    @Crackpot_Astronaut 2 роки тому +8

    Wait, that second theory about the other girl being left with the phone, trying 77 times to unlock it in order to call the emergency line..
    Usually phones don't need to be unlocked at all to call emergency services. Those are the only numbers you CAN call from a lock screen.
    Edit; yes, I looked this up. I thought maybe because they were foreigners, they would need to unlock to call local emergency services. But that's not the case:
    "112 is the Emergency Number available Globally for mobile networks. All phones allow this number to be dialled even if the screen is locked."
    So the idea about the second girl trying to unlock the phone to call 112 is invalid. Whoever was trying to unlock it was trying to unlock it for something other than an emergency phone call.

  • @spinthemoon
    @spinthemoon 6 років тому +115

    I'm from Panama and generally people don't hike this mountain without a guide because of how dangerous it is. The elevation there is different and it can be extremely hot in the morning and extremely cold at night in Boquete. I've never known of anyone to hike there alone.

    • @enigmafan7131
      @enigmafan7131 5 років тому +16

      Yep I hate to say it but it's pretty idiotic behaviour at work here. I know young people(under 21) can be naive but this is just so extreme even with that in mind. I'd imagine even most dumb kids would know not to hike in a jungle alone when you come from Europe and the like.

    • @gregory2789
      @gregory2789 5 років тому

      I bet the afternoon gets even hotter

    • @ericp1139
      @ericp1139 5 років тому

      sudo nude are you from panama?

    • @chrystel7894
      @chrystel7894 5 років тому

      sudo nude you ever been to panama?

  • @elizabethdimick5834
    @elizabethdimick5834 4 роки тому +358

    If the police started looking when they got told the girls may have survived

    • @christophersutterlin6945
      @christophersutterlin6945 4 роки тому +133

      My dude, its fucking central america if the police did their job a lot of problems would be solved

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth 4 роки тому +2

      You think right? Occams Razor.

    • @agentepolaris4914
      @agentepolaris4914 4 роки тому

      @J J that has nothing to do with this

    • @agentepolaris4914
      @agentepolaris4914 3 роки тому +1

      @J J Central american countries are not narco states. The only one is Venezuela, and it's not even part of Central America.

    • @Horible4
      @Horible4 3 роки тому +1

      @@christophersutterlin6945 Or OR, maybe we stop blaming others and maybe start learning how to survive in the wilderness and learn how to navigate - seeing as iPhones have compasses installed on them which could have gotten them back home in less than probably 4 hours. If you're not learning how to read a map, use a compass, or just general survival, it's your own fault if you get lost and die on a hike. Stop trying to blame literally every damn thing on police.

  • @redemption1188
    @redemption1188 Рік тому +18

    The tour guide apparently went in their room while they were missing, searched where the phone charges were, stayed in their room for 30 minutes and then left. He didn't call the police right away but waited 10 HOURS before reporting them missing...that's more than enough time to do what he needed to do and take care of the bodies...One last thing, for some reasons he found most of the evidence even if it was in the middle of a huge jungle in pitch black...sounds like he was the one who put their body parts there from the first place...

    • @macclift9956
      @macclift9956 Рік тому +3

      The absolute arrogance of the host family to allow a man into the women's room, and the malevolent arrogance of the guide to go into their room and go through their things. He seemed to know they weren't coming back.

  • @Gyrfalcon312
    @Gyrfalcon312 3 роки тому +16

    Just like the movie _Hostel_ , this makes me not want to go adventuring in a foreign country...

  • @mr.nemesis6442
    @mr.nemesis6442 4 роки тому +156

    If you ever decide to go hiking into the wilderness being a satellite phone, life straw, gps tracker, flare gun, survival rifle, knife, and MREs.

  • @oldboy4271
    @oldboy4271 6 років тому +106

    The jungle is one of the worst places to get lost, so many awful things could have happened, should always have a guide.

    • @Nexpo
      @Nexpo  6 років тому +10

      Very much agreed!

    • @ElementGuns12
      @ElementGuns12 6 років тому +2

      Oldboy Stoddard I disagree, the desert or the ocean are worse places to get lost in

    • @oldboy4271
      @oldboy4271 6 років тому +8

      ElementGuns12 I have been stranded in the desert outside of Tuscon AZ, luckily we ran into campers who gave us water, lack of water is bad, I didnt really think about the ocean, which is worse obviously, but there is alot of stuff that wants to eat you in the jungle, plus infections, poisonous plants etc. But yeah the ocean will just swallow you whole.

    • @ingypacc9552
      @ingypacc9552 6 років тому +1

      Oldboy Stoddard Tucson native here, and yeah having no water in Tucson is not a good idea.

    • @DashingDash
      @DashingDash 4 роки тому

      Oldboy - getting lost is awful.

  • @avery6371
    @avery6371 2 роки тому +1

    The unnerving background music you put on the videos makes these videos even more creepier dude.

  • @skylarschiffer8
    @skylarschiffer8 Рік тому

    Is there any update on this case? Also watching this video after watching your most recent videos I just want to say you've come very far in your content and presentation! Keep it up!