The Harrowing Disappearance of Kris Kremers & Lisanne Froon
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Back in 2014, two Dutch girls went missing in a Panamanian jungle. To date, the cause of their disappearance and the exact story hasn't been determined. Today, we're going to explore the evidence and story behind this disturbing mystery.
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I can't imagine trekking the Panamanian jungle, in complete darkness, with only an intermittent camera flash to light my way. That shit is terrifying.
Yeah, doesn't matter if it was foul play or not, dying in the middle of nowhere is horrifying.
I had a similar experience in the Guatemalan jungle, complete with camera-flash-in-the-dark photos to light the way. We could hear shit crashing around in the bushes a few times (probably howler monkeys?) along with some other weirdness, and i can say it was indeed terrifying.
Not so scary if you can travel up to 7 km in seconds between the shots also the weather also changes in seconds I mean that literally Sunny to full on cloudy in 5 seconds. The camera memory card has been manipulated beforehand.
Why is it creepy? There's nothing creepy about a quiet Forrest, it's the thought that unknown huamans are in there watching you that's creepy.
@@opts9 tell me more, I want to know how it started and why you were lost at night in a jungle
i do not understand why anyone would go hiking and not carry a knife, match, extra water, dry food, first aid kit.
Bosa uzelac fuck it, pack a pistol just in case- never get caught lacking
I'd take water, matches and food over a gun any day. Guns have extremely limited uses.
Really though Machete/hatchet, water, emergency rations and a change of socks are standard hiking equipment.
Jarthen Greenmeadow I never said don’t take basic emergency supplies - just pack a Glock along with that stuff
Just dont go outside
Compasses are rather handy in these situations as well. I get that they won't exactly grant a bird's-eye view, but it'll at least help you keep your orientation and grant a sense of direction.
Hi, Dutch person here. I'd like to say that everyone in the Netherlands was pissed at the cops for not immediatly doing anything.
And rightfully so. The scary thing about South America is you can't fully trust anyone there.
eh cops all around the world are incompetent people anyway
@@colecooper5836 You cant fully trust anyone anywhere honestly. Would you trust some random stranger in, lets say, denmark, in the middle of the forest?
@@snyfalcryo524 that’s a stupid thing to say
@@Omar_05 everyone in my country doesn't trust the cops lol, its a public secret everything involving them will involve some bribing to actually move them
I’m dutch and I still remember my grandma bringing up this case time and time again to warn me not to go to isolated places and always telling someone where I am.
Best advice ever. If you are in a foreign land, do not know the dangers of the place, the best thing to do is to stay close to the largest group of people possible. Here in the third world, law enforcement isnt very good, so some may find compelling to commit one or another crime, knowing nothing will happen and their crimes will never be exposed. Being close to one another is the best defense in a land where the closest cop is 100km away...
@@vampirecount3880 Yes, and always have some self-defense weapon with you if possible. I always carry a knife when hiking/backpacking, mostly as a tool, but also as a means of self-defense. This is incredibly important in developing nations with poor police presence but rings true anywhere. It might not save your life but it will allow you to fight if needed. Also, never get complacent and always be vary. I wish I could guide and help everyone because my intentions are true, but unfortunately, sometimes bad people will get into positions of power and abuse them.
Your grandma was right!
Grandma's are the same all over the globe 😂
Hey dutchie here i just wanted to say you are so sweet..😊
The incorrect pin codes raised the most red flags to me
TafTabTah probably cause she got a photo of who killed them or something and turned that shit off and that person was trying to delet the pictures but of course nothing will ever come from that bc that phone probably reset itself
@@02jeepwj but i don't understand how someone could be in the same place like what a shitty probability ,in the middle of the jungle i mean "he" must been following this girls from the beginning
It seems it could have been Kris herself, maybe she was injured and unable to press the right keys. It could also have been Lisanne trying to guess the code like Nexpo theorised or even the third party trying to get into the phone. The only issue with that last theory is, assuming image 509 was relevant and there was a third party, it would have already been deleted before then since Nexpo says the phone wasn't used again after the failed unlocking attempts.
lanslasa with no water you would quickly become incoherent and delusional so entering the PIN numbers wrong would be normal as the brain swells
Roger Wynne wanted to write the same
No good story starts with "Two young girls went to Central America."
Marc Alcatraz yeaahhh I’ve spent a lot of time there and Panama is NOT where you want to get lost either.
Oh hey look it's Sarah really? I thought it was a safe country since many Americans go there after they retire...
hell no its one of the countries alllll over gore sites
DimiDingo yikes
Yup. It can be great of you follow the tourist rules but locals know a lot of people are tourist and they target them for pit pocketing and worse.
That deletion of the ONE picture is the biggest red flag for me. Like you said- deleting pictures is the last thing you would do, let alone only one specific one. Really creepy.
Yeah makes me think whichever girl was last alive panicked snapped a pic of the attacker/pursuer before they got to her
@@willknapp8751 Great theory except there was over 90 photos taken after that. Also the worst serial killer of all time to let them phone emergency services numerous times and not destroy any evidence
^
Yea, they 100% got raped and killed in the jungle. And there was zero incentive for the local police to solve the case as it would have hurt tourism big time.
And wild animals don't delete photos...
the cab driver that left them at the trail "drowned" a month later.
@False its true alot of people had said so, however theres not much media coverage in the uk so i couldnt find much info except from podcasts, videos and reddit
I never understood why my mom wanted to know every where I went and who I was with until I got older and saw things like this.
It's fucked up, but I've learned that as a young woman I pretty much shouldn't ever travel anywhere alone or with a small group of other young women.
I knew all along. Mainly because I am the bunny man.
I hate to let my daughter's out of my sight. Too many bad things could happen.
Jacob Burden Stop haunting my dreams man.
scare meplz Yeah exactly
>Going to hike alone
>In the jungle
>In central america
>As a white girl
They didn't stand a chance
"White girl"
Is a color question, obviusly..............
you wrote a haiku...
nice.
@@fernandoyago8272 Of course it is! tourist are targeted waay more.
@Eromanga Sensei Wow
Eduardo San Martin Reminds me of the Scandinavian girls who hiked and were beheaded in morrocco.
This makes my eyes water knowing that these poor girls lost their lives in a most horrifying way. The biggest heartbreak is not knowing what truly happened to them that last couple of days they were alive.
You don't want to know sweety, you don't want to know
@@osmopolito What do you believe happened?
@@AshanBhatoa I actually believe it was murder
I just read Lisanne's diary. So much of it is haunting when you know what will soon happen... particularly the opening lines. 'I would not like to be found dead in San Jose, though the chances of that are pretty high in San Jose. I could live in Bocas for the rest of my life. Maybe if I ever retire.' If this was a story it would be some major foreshadowing, both due to the reference of being found dead as well as spending the rest of her life there. In the middle of the diary Lisanne is crying and saying she feels like she is out of her depth, that she wants to go home to her parents and that she didn't really want to go on the trip but agreed anyway. She said Kris was there with her, but even she could not make this strange place seem more familiar. The final lines in her diary are the day before April 1st when they go missing. She is talking about how they were rejected from the daycare but that she needs to look on the bright side because there is always tomorrow. 'Another day tomorrow. Hasta Manana!' :'(
Hi I'm from Peru and one advice I would give you would be that please never come to Central or South America by yourself or with few people. Worse if you want to visit the jungle which is more dangerous than Africa, there are not only extremely dangerous and poisonous animals but you cannot trust the local people here. The worst thing about the Amazon jungle is that it is a place where someone can get lost very easily and you depend on your guide 100% so he could do whatever he wants with you because he knows the jungle, always go with a large number of people, never alone. Never go to the jungle without being 100% sure that you will get out of there alive. Please take this as advice.
@@osmopolito great comment. but if I may ask: why is it that a tourist cannot trust "local people"? I live in thailand and I trust them. never been a problem.
Yea, they 100% got raped and killed in the jungle. And there was zero incentive for the local police to solve the case as it would have hurt tourism big time.
@@oderblock That's Asia, not Central/South America.
Where did you read her diary? This is the first time I've read that she was miserable even before they went missing. Wanted to take a look at it myself if you had the link!
My phone battery won’t even last a walk to the store.
Had one about 6 years back that lived off the charger like life-support. Literally died the instant it was taken off.
J
Yes
@cara bear nigga my Oppo lasts upwards of 16+ hours
@kitty cat lol talking shit about Samsung when their phones have up to 4k mhp batteries while iPhone has 3k in their latest XS max model, in the airport and bathrooms it is always iPhone users charging their phones.
Two girls: go missing
Police: GImMe a MInUtE
*days
Pretty sad that the police did that
@@FishbedFive I don't even know what to think of your utterly stupid comment.
AL SIE Unacceptable
Third world dried up corrupt countries like this. Beautiful and all but not so much the people
true crime never really scares me, but this case gives me the most uncomfortable feeling for some reason.
Oh my goodness I feel the same way with this case! 😟
Why do have a strong gut feeling that they have been killed by a cult
@@Herlastnightonearth why so sad?
The one girls foot, that had a straight cut amputation, raised the biggest red flag for me. People don’t realize that they’re are a lot of crazies in the forests..I’ve ran into a few..living in Canada.
She eat her leg. She was hungry
There's a camp of crackheads and drug addicts next to my house in the forest.
My dad had to threaten them on time with a Glock, and they've stolen shit from our cars too.
I was in Utah one time hiking in the woods and found a severed antelope foot that was clean cut. It wasn't hunting season, and it was in a place where a poacher would be noticed immediately. That says to me that it was a predator, and that it's absolutely possible that her foot could have been cut clean off by wildlife.
she got injured/poisoned and cut her own leg off?
I mean, I dont believe that, I think with 99% certainty there was a man behind it, most probably that "tour guide", but sometimes the answer is something that none thinks of at all
someone made a fire near my place in the forest in canada. I freaked the fuck out lol cause it was in the middle of winter with low tempratures. Like who does that really.
I like how he says goodnight , as if I were to sleep after this
Atheist Priest I’m watching this right before bed...
😂😂
Lol, best comment here.
Surprisingly these kinds of videos help me go to sleep just cuz this guys narration voice is pretty calming as well as the erie music.
I go to bed right afterwards cause I’m too scared to stay up 🤣
I know this is an old video, but it seems this bears repeating: if you are lost in the wilderness, or even just in a mall, DO NOT MOVE. Someone will come looking for you eventually, but if you are constantly moving the chances of them finding you go down to almost zero. Stay put, don’t exhaust or injure yourself, and help will find you.
Thanks.
That's VERY poor advise to be giving people. Someone will come looking for you eventually? How do you know? How long could it take? How would they even know where to find you? You cant just not move and expect to live for several days without food or water hoping people are going to find you. You may not have a choice but to take your chances and try to find your way back to civilization.
@@ernestteam2844 You should always notify someone where you are going it doesnt matter if it is a next town or near by woods.
I say the most common way to find your way out of a situation is to follow a river not a stream but the widest river ussualy those lead to cities the bigger they are the more likely and ussualy go downstream as Most cities are on the coast, or cliser to the coast. And rivers end up on sea/ocean most of the time.
Good thing would be to have a map or GPS if you go hiking.
But... but.... Bear Grylls does it
Exactly what I was thinking. except it would have helped if these ladies had a compass and kept in mind their original location/bearing before heading off. Also hiking well after nightfall was incredibly stupid.
the scary thing is these girls were murdered. and whoever did is still there. alive. and walking around
or they just died of natural causes
The creepy part is, due to the way the phones reacted it’s plausible that they went crazy after about 7 days in the jungle, but also possible they were murdered, but why would a murderer call 911 77 times and try to unlock the phone, seems more like they went into dehydration and were confused
Its some freaky sht
@@FrostyIgnition It wasnt 77 attempts to call 911 - it was 77 attempts to unlock the phone. Someone wanting to check for incriminating evidence?
@@FrostyIgnition but how could they get lost? The parents of the girls came and walked the trail, its a pretty straightforward trail, theres video footage of them walking it and they themselves said theres no way to get lost, unless the girls intentionally left the trail and walked hours away
I think that somehow their government, or their police department written this off as an "accident" to protect their tourism industry. The fact that there are so many loopholes pointed out during the entire case.
DON'T EVER IN YOUR LIFE TRAVEL SOMEWHERE AND NOT TELL PEOPLE WHERE U ARE GOING! ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE FORIEGN, AND ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA!!! Thanks that's my TED talk.
yeah thats what i immediately thought too, since i go hiking a lot i take it for granted, and also my mother everytime asks me specifically about where im going and what route i will take. But i can imagine someone from netherlands being new to these things, i might be wrong but i bet there are very few places to hike there. Thats a shame.
From what I heard they were supposed to go with a guide the next day but decided to go by themselves
@@jannaschindler6064 maybe the guide knew why or that it is good to go the other day but they rushed into it fastly because they were full of lust for exploring new things. But it's dangerous though. I would never go into a jungle. The name jungle is not given just like that. It's hostile and human unfriendly. Nobody knows which creatures live there.
is that berserk in ur profile pic
And even if you don't speak the language haha
Incorrect pins could be explained by dehydration too, a symptom of dehydration is confusion and could mean they couldn’t remember the password for the phone
knowing they are west european white girls, a pin code is automated muscle memory at that point.
Once a pin that I typed 30+ times a day just slipped my mind and to this day I still forgot what it was so it still happens and even more when you’re dehydrated
Or one was incapacitated and the other tried to use her phone.
I missed the pin twice in my bank card at the store the other day just cause i was hungover :D
i screw my pin up sometimes. it happens. especially if you’ve been lost in the costa rican wilderness for a week
Theory: the last few images were attempts to take a picture of someone following them and one of the pictures actually caught the person doing it. The last picture they could have heard a footstep and took that picture to try and see what it was.
That's such a scary theory lol
Wtf horrifying lmao
I think this theory could very well be true due to the fact that photo 509 was deleted, i think it captured the perpetrator in the photo and once the girls were dead he deleted it and put it back where it was or planted it so it didn’t seem suspicious but it was more suspicious that 509 was gone. It’s also dumb that the perp didn’t fix the names of the photos so it wasn’t obvious that 509 was missing
_"Hell is empty cause most devils are on earth"_
-William Shakespeare
That is quite literally my worst nightmare. Can you imagine being lost in a place you don’t know, only a camera, pitch black, no service, and you’re injured. Can you imagine that?! I can’t even.
@Traveller Tribe's?
@Houssain Al ahmafi In fact, there are no dangerous animals living in this area. Those girls never went missing
@@arminiuscherusci4410 I am not sure if mountain lions qualify as "not dangerous".
I would most probably have a heart attack and die on the spot once the realization hit that I was that desolate
Which is why I don't understand why anyone would go to these places without a satellite nphone handy. So dumb.
Had anyone questioned the dog?
@Sreenath Aether Fled the country when he heard the jig was up.
😂😂
The dog lived, it returned alone and that’s what made the host family worry.
Asap Iggy r u dumb?
@@p0p5t4r_ did you watch the video you dumbbell?
My girlfriend said that they were taking those pictures just to mark where they have passed before, to make sure that they wasnt walking in circles
Actually that makes sense. But what about the 87 pitch black images? What were they trying to capture though? It still baffles me.
@@hazri8758 they had an Iphone right? Iphone has this function to take a lot of photos in sequence, how much time between every pitch black photo?
@@LucasSilva-rs7yl woah I didn't know that. Now I'd like to see the timestamp of all photos. Nexpo didn't cover this.
@@hazri8758 Yeah, makes sense, I will check that too!
Nah, it is far more likely that they used the flash of their camera (not their phone, btw) to draw attention. They used the flash as a signal, in the hope that someone would see it piercing through the dark.
Most of the pictures were taken from the exact same position, located at the edge of an incline.
I highly doubt that they were using the camera to make sense of their surroundings. At this point, they have been in the jungle for several days. They probably knew better than to be on the move in pitch black darkness. Because a jungle at night is REALLY dark. Zero point in being moving at night, as you simply get lost even more. And probably will take an hour to cover even 100 meters.
Even resuce forces (under most circumstansces) don't navigate through the forest (let alone a jungle) at night. It simply makes no sense.
Why wasn’t it ever mentioned by anyone how their heads/skulls were never found?! Where are BOTH of their HEADS????
@drmurde55 Probably.
The majority of their bodies weren't found. Just a foot and piece of hip bone were found. Thats it
not all of their remains were found
I know this might be off topic but why did they never check the girls cameras that were in the back pack?
@@tillie1217 they did
Are we going to forget that you dont need the password to the phone to make an emergency call.
@FritoSalad Oh yeah you're right
I'm pretty sure that it was already introduced by that time.
Here is a questions about that feature, which was published in April 2013
android.stackexchange.com/questions/43546/whats-the-purpose-of-emergency-call-button-on-sim-unlock-screen
RREDWING _
Yes, it absolutely was. In fact, even dating back to the nokia phones, before even The Razor came out, this feature has been available. Seriously, i know this to be a fact, because i was able to dial 911 in 2003, on a 2 year old prepaid nokia, that didn't even have any minutes left.
A friend of mine, i think it was in '06, used his mom's phone to call 911, despite not knowing her access pin (his grandmother had a heart attack, but lived)
This is a universal feature, & has been for a very, VERY long time.
This wasn't a matter of Lisanne attempting to unlock the phone, to call for help. She didn't need it to do so.
These poor girls were murdered. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that points to foul play, and i find it absurd that anyone who knows their ass from a fucking hole in the ground could honestly think otherwise.
@@adambryan411 Alright I'm glad you know the right answer, I was never in a situation where I needed to make an emergency call.
True
Tropical jungles are no joke, you can get dehidrated and exhausted by the humidity and heat relatively quickly. The dense vegetation also can make you confused as to where you’re going and where you came from.
People underestimate nature and think that their cell phones will work everywhere.
Wild animals, there are large cats in those regions.
Or they were a victim of a crime
I always say to bring a sat phone as mostly cell phones dont get coverage in remote places.
Lol bruhh have u ever played Minecraft before?
phones have compasses
Kind of suspicious that the girls went straight from taking pictures of themselves to not taking even one picture of themselves. Not even sunset pictures. This is especially suspicious knowing the time gap between the sudden change, and the fact that there was one deleted picture exactly before the sudden change. I'm convinced that someone was in that picture and he was not pleased with it. Possibly befriending them before turning up on them. Could be a guide or someone who knows the place (he didn't get lost and probably knew where to take them without getting caught).
When you go to a place where you different than anyone else in that area, like clothes, skin, hair, race. Be careful
This can't be overstated.
Even in your own country.
@@colecooper5836 Not everybody lives in a third world country.
Yeah, I find that foreigners know less about areas as such, and ultimately are seen as the ideal target. I'm unsure of how they get a kick out of committing these heinous crimes though -- really truly, it's just a waste of everybody's time.
As much as I want to say that it feels these types of videos are essentially romanticizing the whole case, and undervaluing this person's death, I still use these to acknowledge different cases, and use them in examples.
+ In a previous comment I wrote, I was talking about how anime/video games does NOT affect your hostility or ambience. In that comment, I referenced an 11 year old Japanese girl, who had committed a murder IN school. After finding out she delved into horror genres, and read a ton of things circling that concept vaguely, people came to the conclusion that it was -- simply put -- the books and gore she watched and read that was at fault. Frankly, I don't think those books were the cause of her feeling the heavy desire to kill, but again, you can never be certain. 11 year olds are influenced quite easily.
when you go anywhere where you can stand out like a sore thumb for something you either can't hide or can't change you have to be careful. it doesn't matter what it is or where you are.
Deleted photo is her dead friend
yeah, maybe she took a flash photo to see if her friend was still down somewhere when she stopped answering..and got her answer.. id delete it too probably
@@iCourtneyyy So what happened to the friend in this situation? The one that was dead first?
@@iCourtneyyy yeah but the thing is the phone she had and was taking pictures with was her friends, why'd she have the phone already
I think it was a photo intended to show authorities of the broken of foot as her best effort of saving her friend then days later when her hopes of survival disappeared she could not stand the photo and deleted it and probably not thinking it would be a problem later for the authorities. (as "evidence" of this theory, she had A LOT of horrifying days to think about that scary picture which probably led to her deleting it) Very sad if you imagine that story line... Rest in peace Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon.
If she deleted the photo that means she had access to the pin to unlock the phone, but then why were there unsuccessful attempts to unlock the phone?
After this video, a lot of girls are probably removing “I love to hike” from their tinder bios
"I love to jog."
would finally be smart of them. spontaneous "wanderlust" is overly romanticized in media and thats why they be dyin. -
@@FishbedFive yo como ingles niños
🤣🤣🤣
"I don't eat animals because I love them"... Until they get eaten by a random phyton.
Hiking in Panamanian jungles with no guide or anything. That’s just absolutely insane.
The images make it even more disturbing
The girl's family: hey these girls went missing, could you please look for them?
Police: *yall hear sumn*
I don't blame them to be honest. There are probably tons of issues going on in Panama that the national police have to deal with. Actual Panamanian citizens who need immediate help. I seriously doubt any of them would want to find some entitled rich white girls who stupidly decided to go into the inhospitable jungle without any sort of guidance, experience, or preparation.
It is what it is... In my country there is a saying:
>>> You can save the deceases, not the fools
@@edwardmerriam6970 Nexpo said "It was handled lightly" so that means that, they did took care of it but it wasn't until its finished.
@@edwardmerriam6970 they're rich because they parents worked for it dont blame them for being rich and they white cuz they were born like this yeah they did a mistake by not telling anyone where they were going but their skin color or their wealth has nothing to do with it stop your prejudice
@George C Don't you think, that this way of thinking makes Caucasian /upper economic girls more vulnerable to brutal crimes.
The dog killed the 2 girls and went home. Case solved, arrest the dog.
SupremeHeartz OMG it all makes sense!
what is weird... why did the dog went home? and then, why didn't they follow the dog as a dog would know better than them to find the way back to home.
@@sudonude4062 That is really strange.
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Blast the fucking mutt with a elephant gun!!
I'm from the Netherlands. I remember watching the news about this growing up. Truly haunting. Especially when they found human remains and it was confirmed to belong to one of the girls. It shook the country so much that now if you say you're going to the panamas, people will assume you're suicidal
I'm from the Netherlands too and this is complete bullshit lmfao
@@LeetTheMan1337 Dan heb je denk ik niet zo heel goed het nieuws gevolgt in die tijd.
True, only the suicidal ones go there in the name of feminism 😅
Absolute Lunatics!!
Never enter a jungle - it's like going to space. Because the day is short and only one, two hours later it gets dark in the jungle.
You should never even leave your house without someone knowing where you're going. Your parents weren't being controlling when they told you that as a kid. It's real shit. There are three rules about leaving your family or anyone to go somewhere.
1. Tell them where you're going
2. Tell them what time you expect to be back
3. Say I love you
Rest in Peace to these girls. This is heartbreaking and terrifying.
We go hiking in the mountains in my country and before we go we always stop at the ranger station to tell them our plans and get information on our hike. To bad they didn’t stop at the police station to see if it was a safe area.
"3. Say I love you" God that hit hard for some reason
id say i llove u but other yes
I've started to always follow the third one, I always say it when someone, not just me is going out.
Mainly because I'll never know if that's the last time I see them or my last words to them.
@@TheValkyre0 ikr... Life is so unpredictable anything can happen its a cruel world
My theory:
1) they got lost
2) one had an accident and got severely injured or killed
3) the other one went to look for help
4) she died later due to exhaustion or lack of food/water
5) bodies decomposed due to hot climate and wild animals
BreakLux This generally makes the most sense and is very likely what did happen.
its not hot climat.
@@1w598 They are killed, I'm sure of it.
BreakLux this is definitely the most logical explanation. 1. There was a very high chance of them getting lost because they were obviously not familiar with the area. 2. This would also make sense because based of the pictures found on Kris' phone, the area looks pretty hilly and mountainous, which would explain why one of the girls had an accident where they just stepped on a rock the wrong way or maybe even fell down one of the cliffs which would most certainly hurt or maybe even kill them. And of course the other would have gone and ran for help which would explain the numerous emergency calls, failed PIN guessing attempts by most likely Lissanne, and the dry backpack on the riverside, as well as the shorts. 3. Lissanne dying would also make sense because she was probably trying to get out of the jungle, and sense the was over the span of a few days, she couldn't find her way out as she was unfamiliar with the area. 4. The bodies would have most likely decomposed, as it is a proven fact that bodies decompose faster in hotter, more humid climates, which taken in mind, 1. They were in a jungle. and 2. It was the summer, which means more hotter, humid weather. woah this took me forever to type, anyways, all im saying is that all the points you are making make perfect sense and are the most likely explanation.
@@nolagranola13 There was a guide involved. I'm sure this guide lured them into a trap.
Whoever the killers were, they must have been very good killers or they got lucky and succeeded in sending detectives on a wild goose chase. Either that or whoever took up investigations was thoroughly incompetent. This genuinely terrified the hell out of me and i'm rarely every moved by anything. There is absolutely no doubt that they were murdered. If they had gotten lost and were attempting to find their way back, they would probably have died of starvation and their bodies would have been found intact.
Probably the latter since they didn't bother to look till day 4 i hope they rest in peace
Panamenian here. This is all rumors and stuff, but this case is bigger than it may seem, like 5 to 6 of the people that knew the girls were taking the trial died or had accidents and unable to testity or say their side of the story.
Even worse, the taxi driver that left them close to base camp, had important info but told a couple of reporters, that if he were to say anything, his life and family will be done for and to just drop the case or some people would come looking for them.
Hell, the police was "doing" everything they could, cuz some policemen actually do take seriously missing cases, specially here since kidnappings are a thing but more if they are foreigners but people FROM the governent were meddling in the investigations and had private meetings with the dutch government that literally no one knew, it was after the fact cuz the cars leaving a hotel close to the city had their flag but that was pretty much it. Also, the path they were walking is long but is relatively easy to go through and we have no cannibal tribe here, making the case even weirder because why they went to such lengths to not finding the girls at the right time and then covering everything altogether.
My country is filled with corruption to the brim but when foreigners are involved, they twist their leg like no tomorrow and do whatever international org or government tells them to do, to make everything easier and maintain the appearences and good relationship.
There is something so erie about this story that terrifies me
Trying to imagine the amount of fear they felt with each passing hour as they were losing hope while their batteries died. Where does the mind go once you realize there's no hope? A living nightmare.
Or enlightenment.
@@kieranjaegar Your response striked me.
Liberty or Death Go away.
According to some theories, they were kidnapped, raped, murdered, chemically disposed off. So they didn't have that experience you are citing but rather a much more horrifying one...
@@rikumajumder1558 Idk, but either way is absolutely terrifying to think of.
I’ve seen many true crime documentaries and crime scene photos, but for some reason this story scares the shit out of me. So eerie and terrifying. Everything about this.
Ive seen a LOT.. but this one is so terrifying.
me too! I never forgotten this story and I have read a lot of them, a particularly haunting case and those nightime photos are straight from someones nightmare...
@@ivaivy8124 definitely the creepiest out of them all.
Definitely scary, you can make a case for either they just died naturally somehow or there was a third party that caused these girls death
@@billblaski9523That you can! I personally thought that foul play was involved but thats just me... Theres too many questions unanswered! Also, i always thought that panamanian government police,etc... covered up many things and buried, they must have found something. It's just one of those haunting cases...
The photo at 5:15, when enhanced, shows the silhouette of what looks like a figure, standing and waiting. I personally believe this is their killer.
Really where do i look i cant see it
Bottom right I think
Photo was taken angled downwards. If he no spiderman i don't think that is possible
@@o.b7398 There’s clearly a path down there, so it checks out.
almost looks hunched over
I don’t think lissane would have tried to open her friends phone. Reason being dialing 911 or whatever their 911 is you don’t need to unlock a phone for emergencies. My guess is the people who attacked them did that. Sad. RIP may the lord let us smash whoever did that.
This can be read in two different ways.....
These girls did NOT get lost. I’ve just started watching a doc on this and a local said it’s impossible to lose your way. It’s one path and you don’t even need a guide to find your way. Definitely foul play. Hundreds have gone missing from the same area. The presenters are walking the very same trail and yes - it’s one wide path.
It is likely that someone or something spooked them, leading them to panic and running into the jungle losing their way, would explain why the dog noped the hell out of there too. Could have been a person, a group of aggressive people, or one of the jungles predators. If nothing spooked them, it could also be that they were just dumb and got lost because of it, I have seen people do some absolutely retarded shit on a whim so I can imagine them wanting to explore a bit further, straying off the path and quickly losing their way since they were unfamiliar with the terrain and had zero experience navigating in a jungle, maybe they just underestimated it.
Of course foul play could be involved, but there are too many things speaking against it being a planned murder if you ask me.
@@Triplebrc Explain the clean cut from the leg, an animal can't do that
@@insanecrack3r wait which cut
@@bathnoodles2753 The found foot was dismembered clean.
@@insanecrack3r falling down from high place could have ream the bone and nature do the rest if eating the meat around it making the food fall off.
you need to remember the only thing holding bone is tendon and it could have weaken overtime.
I should stop watching these videos
Same
Yea what Inside a mind it's scary
Mhm
Yeah huh
me too but they’re so good
my question is - why would a perpetrator go through all of the effort of deleting one photo, rather than just taking the camera or destroying it completely?
That's the right question to ask. The answer is, there was no perpetrator.
It's horrifying and sad trying to imagine their last moments. It brings tears to my eyes. :'(
Me 2 rip for both of them i still think FG the tour guide is one of the killers
They are in a better place.
Lisanne was a classmate of mine in high school. I obviously know what happened to her but I was still quite shocked to see this video.
She was the sweetest girl you could know. Always nice and laughing. She would never say anything bad. A perfect student too. And she didnt necessaraly stand out. A humble girl.
We weren’t friends or anything. But this girl is the last person who would deserve an end like this. Still very sad...
Having a real hard time listening to her story :/
And this the problem people are naive to think the rest of the world is as sweet and as kind as the one they live in.
Lex et Ordo
I agree with you that there are many naive and ignorant people on this planet. But I do not think Lisanne and Kris were totally oblivious to realities there. You can’t just assume we’re all stupid in the west and don’t know what happens in other countries.
Semper fidelis Semper Paratus
Yes as far as I understand, parts of their bodies are found. The circumstances of their deaths, while officialy stated as accidents, really are still a mystery..
iirc the parents of Kris and brother of Lisanne have done the small little hike the girls did on that day. I’ve seen the footage. It’s just a small hike, in a semi populated area. Houses and people living pretty close. And not really a path/hike you would get lost on. They were smart girls too. So hard to think they would go off track without a very very good reason..
@@SidMajors of course we arent but, their is a large number of westerners who are and that's the bad part.
Semper fidelis Semper Paratus
Yeah, I’d definetly stop her too. I mean, there’s probably places that are okay. Especially if there is a male along. But I wouldn’t want to bet on it.
This case gave me the creeps when I first learned about it. What happened to Kris and Lisanne is heartbreaking.
Nightmares Before Bedtime It haunts me every time I visit Boquete, I think the path they went trough is now closed
Bone breaking rather.
Ana Patricia I went to Boquete last week while on vacation and hiked the El Pianista specifically bc of these 2 girls. I got to the top and took a few selfies like the girls did, but immediately lost track of the trail and went into full panic mode, running back downhill thru the jungle instead of backtracking. Luckily I had working GPS on my phone, but there was NOBODY and I was climbing, crawling, scooting and walking downhill thru a lot of vegetation practically unpassable.. at one point, I leaned my hand on a tree, grabbing hold of a Green Vine Snake and I FREAKED out... Ended up wandering onto private property beside the start of the trail after TWO Hours but I never was so scared, I even left trails of trash written with my name in permanent marker and even wrote a note, leaving it in a plastic bottle. That trail is no joke, and if they didn't have GPS I can see how they would've panicked like me and lost sense of direction, going further into the nothing.
As for the water issue, there are rivers, as well as the rain. They easily could've found water.
You have a great channel going there too Nightmares Before Bedtime.
Cody_nzealand ~ Wow, I could feel your panic! You couldn't pay me enough!!
I've seen this story explained in detail before but I still wanted to see it told by you. You are awesome
"They wrote on Facebook that they intended to walk around Boquete, and it was reported that they had been seen having brunch with two young Dutch men before embarking on the trail."
I do urban exploration and visit abandoned places, and after looking into a number of disappearances, it became important to me to express this:
ALWAYS tell someone where you are going! So many people who are lost for years or pass away could have been located and saved if they had just made sure someone knew.
Also, if you get lost in a Central or South American (and even Mexico), nobody is going to make a search party or investigation unless your loved ones have the resources and/or influence to force the authorities to even care about it, I personally think that they assume that it was a cartel kidnapping so they avoid the topic like the plague since many times the police themselves are the ones that commit those kidnappings, and foreing tourists are well known to be preyed upon around these parts of the world.
and take someone with you!!!!!
YunsAvatar 100% and carry a gun, and don’t be the last in the hiking line lol
There are even countless movies on this premise, including hiking ones. Someone goes hiking, doesn't tell anyone where they are, gets into trouble and can't be easily saved, some character throughout the film is like, "hey imagine if you had told people where you're going." Sometimes movies are right! And if you, for some reason, don't want to tell anyone where you're going? Unless you're on the run for privacy reasons (so maybe like 0.01% of people), you should reevaluate if you should be going somewhere if you can't or won't tell people where you're going.
they were probably lesbians looking for isolation to have sex. the guys watching them from the forest could not resist getting involved....
These European girls who travel to the most dangerous and isolated places is beyond explanation.
It makes for a good Insta photograph
@@iwasanMBTInerd Mmmmmm. Nearly gave the old man a heart attack. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SupaSand wtf?
@@Nattybumco
@@JamesTaylor-on9nz wtf?
I don’t know why, but I go through these fazes of watching these dark, sinister videos. I take a break for some time, then I return to them. My mind is dark I guess...
Edgelord
Okay Mr.Edgy
Great video, thanks! 🌟🌟🌟 This case sure is fascinating and extremely tragic...
Hope they can find something else more concrete in the future.
I love the fact the he's investigating a crime and not the paranormal like always
ajwjjwj ananajwjw crimes are scarier than paranormal (at lest for me)
Yeah, I think a potential serial killer preying on people for decades is a lot more frightening than a film defect that people insist is a "ghost".
That's why asian horror films never scare me. They rely too much on ghosts and spirits, and I don't believe in those. Same thing with Paranormal activity movies. Creepy shit like this is only scary when you experience it yourself.
I agree completely. So Ryan if you read this, please cover more lesser-known true crime stories. There's too much videos on Dear David and other dumb ghost stories already on UA-cam.
unsolved murders and mysterious disappearances are especially juicy
Moral of the story: foreign white girls please stop going hiking by yourselves in the Panamanian jungle without bringing weapons or telling anyone exactly where you're going.
Bringing weapons? How about flashlights, maps and compass? I mean a machete/hatchet is standard kit if thats what you mean by weapon.
A gun does you literally 0 good in the pitch black.
@@JarthenGreenmeadow Yes, a weapon. I never even mentioned guns lol. It should be common sense to bring hiking-tier gear if you going to do just that, so much so i didn't even bother mentioning it.
sadly tho depending on where you go, there might be laws against people carrying weapons who aren't from their country (not saying it shouldn't be done, just saying you can get in trouble either way)
@Gavan That's their own naivety, not feminism as a whole. Don't bring that shit into it.
@@DarkArterialGore I can't believe the kind of person you have to be to comment something like that under the case where two *real girls died* after being lost for *10 days* in a jungle.
Taking pictures to light up the night??? It's 2014 by that time nearly all cellphones had a flashlight function that allows the flash to be used outside of the camera function.
This is probably my favorite unsolved case. Its downright creepy...some people say that in the "hair picture" you can see blood while another picture you can see someone standing in the dark. I cant imagine how scared they were....especially after their phones died. This particular case will stay with me forever and I hope answers come soon. Its incredibly strange that their were other prints on the backpack. AND that the police didnt look into the prints during the investigation. I know that area is a popular tourist spot and they didnt want their reputation to sour, but since other girls went missing in that same area there has to be a point where the story told by the police falls apart. I saw some new pictures that were released and you can clearly make out that they were on a trail...why they went deeper into the jungle, im not sure...I do believe they was a third party involved. I saw a picture of the girls with two guys swimming...Im not sure if that particular picture was taken that same day, but I thought it was strange that try were with two unknown men. The fact that the school said they were early was a bit suspicious, too. Literally every aspect of this case gives me chills. I hate it.
my immediate thought was that it was a shadowy figure, too! so creepy
@@vicieux7789 yeah, right? I hate thinking about it
@Nechrotica Same. I cant imagine how the families of both girls were feeling during the investigation. (Botched investigation, imo) To think that their daughters were out there in the jungle completely alone and scared...it makes me want to cry, too. This is by far the most chilling case I have ever heard. What happened to them? Why did the police handle the case the way they did? There are so many unanswered questions. :(
Corruption: town, police, guide, tourism, school.What did you expect, young girls?
Wait I didn’t see any shadowy figures can someone help me find these alleged photos?
There's a pretty well established theory that the two girls were likely abducted by two men they'd met up with the day before. They'd have to have passed too many residences and populated areas to not have been able to reach help. Their bodies were, after all, found 12 hours away from where they first tried to contact help.
The trails to where their remains were found are clearly marked, were easily navigable at that time of year, and would have taken the girl's through populated areas.
A guard who would have been in the area on the theorized day they were abducted had heard screaming, but hadn't been able to identify the source.
The pictures on the camera that are all black? May have been them attempting to use the flash to get the attention of a group of campers who would have also been nearby.
It's likely that Kris died on April 3rd, and Lisanne tried to log into her phone multiple times. Kris's bones were unnaturally white, containing high amounts of phosphorus- not a chemical naturally present in the soil where their remains were discovered.
Both girls' bones were unmarred- which is not normal. Even if their deaths had been natural, animals chewing and clawing at them would have left some kind of mark.
It's thought that the girls' bodies were soaked in some kind of chemical containing high amounts of phosphorus, effectively dissolving the outer layer of the bones and smoothing over any marks that may have been left. That's consistent with the condition of her foot, which is severed at a spot that would not be likely to be natural, which also shows no markings.
It's evident to me that the girls were likely followed or arranged to meet up with some cute guys they'd met and, as a result, met their end.
Finally someone with grain of intelligence here.
I agree
My sentiments exactly.
>or arranged to meet up with some cute guys they'd met
Well damn.. That's actually a possibility
Thank you for that. You pretty much said it better then i could.
Its a more logical theory then the accident one.
The missing photo probably had their attacker in it...
definitely
Yeah
My thought
No other explanation. Tour guide most likely killed them
My thoughts
The girls were already deceased before the photos were taken
The best presentation so far, like that you pause in between, makes it less stressfull to listen to. Way to many are babling without a break, sounds like they are having a nervous breakdown. Foul play for sure, and absolutely could be the young boy who murdered the other girl. Why suddely lots of pictures on the 8th, after weeks a clean and dry backpack appears , deleted photo impossible to recover etc, too many strange things to just be an accident..
I feel so sad for them.... I can't even imagine the fear they must've felt...
Damn right man you cant see shet on those jungles take my word i am panamenian
@Liberty or Death Not having an ounce of empathy is not something you should be broadcasting to the world, bud
@Liberty or Death okay boomer
@Liberty or Death but they didn't kill anyone lol
@Liberty or Death but noone else, so your example with some teenager texing while driving and smashing another car & killing people is not comparable. they underestimated the jungle's danger and in the end died but they didn't kill other people
In the Tropics, body decomposition is very rapid due to numerous insects and high temperatures and humidity.
Ted Logan ew
True. Also animals could have gotten at the bodies.
thats realy nasty, but true
ah yes, you seem to know a lot about corpses my ominous sounding friend, I am sure, however, that you are to be trusted
In the tropic investigators do take into consideration that to calculate the decomposition, so if they say the body should be found in better condition that means they compared witht he location the body was fund and not in siberia
me: *grabs a cookie and takes a bite*
Nexpo: Her shoe with her foot still in it and a fragment of Lisanne's pelvis
me: *put down cookie*
I was eating chicken nugget..
@@hazri8758 Me too 😂😂
I ate 4 fried chicken before watching this video
Nexpo really needs to do more missing persons cases
4 days for the police to respond?? That's one of the worst things about this lol
They knew they are dead.
Absolutely terrible.
When someone goes missing, the police wait for sometime before logging a FIR.
The waiting time varies from place to place.. for eg. Here in India it's 24 hrs.
Maybe in Panama they wait for 4 days
Authorities said they assumed the girls found people and were partying and weren’t concerned. Smh.
4 days some Detroit shit
today is April 1, 2019 ... just 5 years after their death ... may their souls rest in peace! and may we all be protected from evil
There need to investigation
They already tried to jump out their coffins: it's a prank, bro
candy Krith it probably just isn’t worth the effort since it is extremely dated.
I wish i know what happened before i die. This is one of the curiositys that hount my dreams for years.
"may we all be protected from evil" when we just had a mass shooting...
Everytime I read more about this the creepier it becomes.
This is why I don’t go camping or hike if I can avoid it. This is one of my worst fears. I cannot imagine how terrifying it would be to be lost in the woods after leaving your dead best friend, with nothing but a camera to light the way. And if there was someone following them..dear god. If I ever go camping or hiking, I always ALWAYS make sure someone knows where I am. I tell them the path I plan on taking, and if I have service, I tell them where on the trail I am and send pictures. This stuff is horrifying
Dont let the propaganda fool you to think that people from other cultures are as welcoming as you. I live in latin america and let me tell you that you have to know how to get around, doing the usual can be complicated.
You are so used to the safety at your countries / hometowns, when you come to places like ours you just dont know how different it can be.
A few years ago, my family took a vacation to Jamica. We stayed at a Beaches resort, and you had to sign a release contract saying that the resort was not responsible for anything if you went off-grounds.
Can confirm mom is from El Salvador and my dad is from Costa Rica. There are places the locals won't visit where a tourist wouldn't stand a chance.
@@SLCtica What a coincidence, I'm from El Salvador, I still live here.
@I will feast on your heart! someone actually once got mad at me because i said i did not want to visit latin america, i realize a bunch of things could go wrong. Doing research is key, but i'm not much of a traveler anyway on top of me watching way too many videos likes this. They tried assuring me people over there are super welcoming towards tourists which i don't doubt some are, and that everything would be fine, and i'm just ignorant. so, its funny you guys say this. There's definitely a lot to consider when travelling, not just people and customs, but the terrain and wildlife too.
Tali De be wise and alive
I'm a hiker, so from that perspective I would say yes, the girls went into that hike completely unprepared. With that said, the missing photo had to have been deleted on purpose. They wouldn't do that. The fact that it came between the last day time and first night time images tells me it was a photo of something important. I do not necessarily believe they were using the flash to light up the trail. I think they were using the flash to try to see someone who was out there. I cannot imagine a more terrifying situation to be in. I've slept in the woods. I've gone out intentionally without a tent and I am very much at home out there. BUT to be out there, alone, with no means to communicate KNOWING someone or something was out there in the dark.... harrowing doesn't begin to describe that hike. That photo is crucial and I think someone still has it.
Richard Dupuis
Maybe it was a photo of themselves that they didn’t like?
@@highadmiraljt5853 right! 🤣🤣
But why would 3rd party just leave the camera
@@TheAivaxT because then maybe someone would be looking for the missing camera.
It looks to me like they were using the flash from the camera to see things ahead of them, like cliffs. Perhaps the deleted photos were blurry pictures or instances where they forgot to turn on flash?
Is it just me or were these two girls extremely niaive to go backpacking in Latin America without a male and to go into the wilderness without a gun? Anyone else agree with me?
Two fresh white girls. Yeah they totally "disappeared"
Of course they could be raped by those indigenous panama male people!
“I love you all”..only nexpo can say it while having me goosebumps…
Panamanian here. I used to hike through that trail with my family and friends, so I got chills recognizing a few parts of the path in the video.
The trail is clearly marked, and it travels through many houses of indigenous people, going through open hills, even a a few rivers while you ascend the mountain before it truly gets into uncharted rain forest. Even though there is a considerate amount of people at the base of the mountain (people live there, go there, theres even a restaurant connected to one of its entrances), the only exception to solitude is the occasional small hut in the higher areas.
In terms of terrain, it can be rather dangerous without a guide because there is little visibility through the tropical jungle, very rocky with sudden cliffs, but as stated before, the path is clearly marked and no one should get lost on their own. There are no large predators in the area, the only possibility for a dangerous animal would be venomous snakes, frogs, or plants. In terms of water supplies, there are a few streams and the like available, and our dry season ends at around that time, so there are chances of rain (Id have to look at the weather reports of those days). Dehydration would be enhanced by hot water vapor and humidity, reducing their energy supplies. None of the possible causes of natural death explain the condition their bodies were found.
Our police force is not prepared for emergencies inside dense tropical forests ironically enough. Their counterpart, SENAFRONT, has the jungle training, but theyre stationed around the borders to stop drug related crime. The further you go from the main cities, the less equipment, resources, manpower and know how SENAPROC has due to centralization by the government. Just to paint a picture and add more context about organization here, the legal justice system usually waits for years to properly solve simple crimes in court.
Also I will add that pretty much everyone has a phone in this country, with 6 million phones vs 4 million people, with a clear emphasis for smart phones.
Boquete is a small tourist town in the highlands, where there are a lot of retired and/or tourist European and Americans, with a constant influx of visitors. Really anyone could have the knowledge to access those phones and tamper with the info at a basic level.
Also Jesus, they actually mentioned the girl killed in Bocas. Im kind of surprised with the connection made in the video, as right now there are rumors of an ongoing investigation of a serial killer through the FBI, that someone seasonally travels to Panama to target other tourists, specifically young white girls, before heading home as a type of vacation feature. There are previous cases of the like, ie the Wild Bill case.
(Also all the footage of Panama here is from Panama City, which is on the other side of the country, faraway from where these incidents took place.)
Miranda Mendez So what do you suspect this was??
I appreciate your input
Very informative Thanks for all the additional info!
@Jaw Less • 14 years ago . Just a in depth perspective from a Panama native I found it quite interesting because I'm fascinated w this case and the mystery that surrounds it. If that's not the case w u then it might not be a good read.
going off subject, you have the name of a celebrity, maybe you'll be famous on day...
Morel of the story is to not leave your home and don’t talk to people case closed
Jas D
the case is closed by extrapolating a moral?
uuuh, no...not by any measure.
Have you not seen The Strangers? Why did the strangers kill the married couple? “Because they were at home”
what does mushrooms have to do with this?
You spelled morsel wrong.
@@trevorrogers95 So did you, it is moral
Very disturbing story, my prayers for these two souls. If there was a competent police department. I would begin with the person who 'found' the backpack, which obviously wasn't floating in a river for all that time. The fact that they never tried to call or text anyone, like family or their hosts is unexplainable also.
Also they apparently had opened the contact page for the foster mother, but didn’t try to call her… just opened it and took a screenshot (probably accidental)
One of the girls was strangled to death. Both girls were already dead before the night photos were taken. So kris wasn't alive in the head/hair photo!!!
what?
@@bugrilyus theres a photo where it looks like its the back of the redhead girls head. Its just her red hair, all messy looking, in the whole picture
They never found their bodies - how would there be evidence of strangulation?
4 days? That's negligent homicide by the local police
It’s Panama, a shithole
its not uncommon in Panama
Third world gonna third world
@@George-jj2tp shithole? Doesnt america murder unarmed people in thee day time. So...
@@panama2468 No cambia el hecho de que este pais sea una mierda...
that photo is of a cliff, i lightened the shadows, highlights and increased the saturation of the photo 2-3 times in picsart and it shows the rest of it
Maria P. Do you have any place to share the edited photo? :-)
I'd love to see the enhanced photo to.
PicsArt has solved so many online questions for me · I'm glad to find a like-minded user💖👍🏼
maybe they decided to kill themselves after the hunger/pain was too unbearable or some shit
"of an cliff".. Top down? or Bottom up?
You've got a great narrative voice
nexpo circa 2018 sounds like a slightly manlier chills
3am is the wrong time to be watching this alone Rip
Hebs omg right 😂😂👀
Hebs If you live in a First world country you shouldn’t have a problem
OMG 3AM IS SUCH A SPOOKY TIME. ITS TOTALLY NOT A NORMAL HOUR
@@nunzioish8477 I think they mean that they are up really late and that is not a good time to be watching spooky shit.
@@zaleshomeowner3493 maybe but the fact that its 3 am I just hate
dutch tourists make tourist murder headlines alot. they've got a really safe upbringing and are very curious people
Yeah, that's sad but true.
Because they grow up surrounded by very safe environments, they kind of believe they don't have to fear anything but reality is not like that.
However, loosing track of reality is very common when you've grown up like that. I'm from Colombia (so yeah, no the safest and most developed country in the world). I'm not rich by any means but I was born in a very good family with more than enough money for a good house and quality education for me. Even I know that I live inside a bubble but very rich people (I don't have anything against them but of course money can give you a crazy amount of privilege specially in this kind of countries) often live in a completely different world, so they tend to be pretty naive. Victims in most disappearances and crimes like this one tend to be rich people from the big cities. There's even a story of a well know director of one of the top universities in the country (actually one of my city) that went to a national park on the US and got lost because he stopped following the path, apparently he was taking pictures of birds when he saw one he hadn't seen before and tried to follow him. He was like 10 or more days inside the forest when he was found alive (gladly). It all happened because he didn't take precautions.
@Vince 76 the fools are praising themselves, they are well educated , they learned humanity and they thought the entire world is a safe place like their country , but sadly they found themselves surrounded by stupid and ignorant people just like you, from the beginning of the case , the police behavior shows a lot .( Searching for them 4days after the report) what a shame.
@Vince 76 Those pesky Marxists, they're just like that one group of people that country starts with an I
@Vince 76 A christian talking about brainwash? Go figure...
as a dutch person, i can confirm that lol
I just wanna say the theory that Lisanne ditched her pants because they "could have been chafing her" is insane. Maybe guys feel different but as a girl you would never EVER walk around in the wild in just your underwear. Do you have any idea how exposed and vulnerable that would make a woman feel? There's no way she took those off and left them of her own volition. Which of course implies something much darker...
Most Guys wouldnt take their pants off either though. Idk Who came up with that theory But it doesnt make sense
Wait, that second theory about the other girl being left with the phone, trying 77 times to unlock it in order to call the emergency line..
Usually phones don't need to be unlocked at all to call emergency services. Those are the only numbers you CAN call from a lock screen.
Edit; yes, I looked this up. I thought maybe because they were foreigners, they would need to unlock to call local emergency services. But that's not the case:
"112 is the Emergency Number available Globally for mobile networks. All phones allow this number to be dialled even if the screen is locked."
So the idea about the second girl trying to unlock the phone to call 112 is invalid. Whoever was trying to unlock it was trying to unlock it for something other than an emergency phone call.
I'm from Panama and generally people don't hike this mountain without a guide because of how dangerous it is. The elevation there is different and it can be extremely hot in the morning and extremely cold at night in Boquete. I've never known of anyone to hike there alone.
Yep I hate to say it but it's pretty idiotic behaviour at work here. I know young people(under 21) can be naive but this is just so extreme even with that in mind. I'd imagine even most dumb kids would know not to hike in a jungle alone when you come from Europe and the like.
I bet the afternoon gets even hotter
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If the police started looking when they got told the girls may have survived
My dude, its fucking central america if the police did their job a lot of problems would be solved
You think right? Occams Razor.
@J J that has nothing to do with this
@J J Central american countries are not narco states. The only one is Venezuela, and it's not even part of Central America.
@@christophersutterlin6945 Or OR, maybe we stop blaming others and maybe start learning how to survive in the wilderness and learn how to navigate - seeing as iPhones have compasses installed on them which could have gotten them back home in less than probably 4 hours. If you're not learning how to read a map, use a compass, or just general survival, it's your own fault if you get lost and die on a hike. Stop trying to blame literally every damn thing on police.
The tour guide apparently went in their room while they were missing, searched where the phone charges were, stayed in their room for 30 minutes and then left. He didn't call the police right away but waited 10 HOURS before reporting them missing...that's more than enough time to do what he needed to do and take care of the bodies...One last thing, for some reasons he found most of the evidence even if it was in the middle of a huge jungle in pitch black...sounds like he was the one who put their body parts there from the first place...
The absolute arrogance of the host family to allow a man into the women's room, and the malevolent arrogance of the guide to go into their room and go through their things. He seemed to know they weren't coming back.
Just like the movie _Hostel_ , this makes me not want to go adventuring in a foreign country...
If you ever decide to go hiking into the wilderness being a satellite phone, life straw, gps tracker, flare gun, survival rifle, knife, and MREs.
What if I can't be one of these things?
@@JR-me7yk then don't go
And an M16
AND A FREAKING GRENADE LAUNCHER.
lol
The jungle is one of the worst places to get lost, so many awful things could have happened, should always have a guide.
Very much agreed!
Oldboy Stoddard I disagree, the desert or the ocean are worse places to get lost in
ElementGuns12 I have been stranded in the desert outside of Tuscon AZ, luckily we ran into campers who gave us water, lack of water is bad, I didnt really think about the ocean, which is worse obviously, but there is alot of stuff that wants to eat you in the jungle, plus infections, poisonous plants etc. But yeah the ocean will just swallow you whole.
Oldboy Stoddard Tucson native here, and yeah having no water in Tucson is not a good idea.
Oldboy - getting lost is awful.
The unnerving background music you put on the videos makes these videos even more creepier dude.
Is there any update on this case? Also watching this video after watching your most recent videos I just want to say you've come very far in your content and presentation! Keep it up!