I’ve bin on FTP since 2018 and the game wasn’t confusing at all. I don’t get why they say it’s confusing, if they’ve played Halo like my friends, others, and I, it would be very easy. I wasn’t annoyed by any quality either since my TV was on high quality / color since I was having trouble in pvp. I can play pvp perfect now since I changed that and I’ve bin playing Titan since. The colors on the armor and the weapons weren’t hard to figure out that they were common, uncommon, rare, legendary, and Exotic. To me, Exotics aren’t really rare, I get over 1,000 Exotics per year as a Warlock and Titan main. During a 1v1 against my friend, he mocks me on Prismatic Hunter even though he’s played since 2023 so, I swapped to Teather Hunter and cooked lil bro and he was crying. The game overall wasn’t bad when I started.
@@שליויששכר It's totally different now, you end up in the cosmodrome and do some stuff covered in this video. But the original story where you coming back after your ghost revived you, you had few memories if I remember correctly. You were hurt, no weapon, your health wasn't coming back and had to get through the city and find the farm. The early expansions even if the expansions were not super good did a much better job bringing all the characters together. You were also encouraged to explore the areas looking for hidden things, and piecing the story together. Not to mention the expansions were maybe 1/3 or 1/4 the price of a season now. It's honestly getting harder and harder to justify the full season price.
Destiny is one of those games where you absolutely NEED a friend that is willing to walk you through everything. The game relies heavy on its community to guide new players rather than investing into having a decent new player experience.
I do think you CAN get into the game without a guide, but it is much much easier if you have some help. New player experience could def be more educational to help address this
Been playing since Sept 22. No friends who play. But thanks to YT vids I understand the game and have joined a clan and done my first dungeon etc. But I spent most of the first few months spending all my time on YT learning how to play. I didn’t dare attempt a strike in Vanguard Ops for ages. So huge thanks to every Destiny UA-camr who got me through. But even finding the right video is tough a lot of the old beginners guides are out of date!
UA-cam is equivalent to having a friend guide you. A company is doing a BAD job at designing their game if players outside resources are required such as gaming articles, YT videos, friends, etc.
Yes im also F2P and no one ever told me how to make a fireteam or how I can find people to group up for anything at all without relying on matchmaking, so I simply thought to get into a fireteam you either have to Q up for zavala stuff or crucible stuff and it fills the group for you (edit) and when i try to interact in chat there is either no one in chat or what chat am i supposed to be in, there are several colors of chat an none of them work for interacting with other people near you or even in a group, I have never once been able to interact with anyone through the chat feature except for when they message me to swear at me for being a noob, and you can tell I'm a F2P noob because my guardian rank only just hit rank 6. A game that relies on 3rd party apps IMO is an unfinished game, because you need a 3rd party app to make up for what the base game is lacking/missing or the game itself it inop without a critical feature, I tried talking in the chat feature in pvp quickplay because I didn't know what to do, there is no way to learn but to die over and over again. there was no one to answer and no teamwork so I guess everyone just splits up and runs around to shoot at the other team. I was in the military and that would never work in real life but I guess it's a game so there is no need to cover your 6 because you can just respawn?
yeah, could not agree more. I started playing D2 in the middle of forsaken because my friends recommended the game to me. if they weren't there to explain everything and help me understand what I was doing I doubt I would have continued playing, and I definitely wouldn't have invested over 3500 hours and hundreds of dollars in the game. watching this video only made me realize how lucky I was that I had other people who already knew how the game worked to teach me.
With the huge amount of money being with Sony now, I would have thought they could afford to bring it back already? Not to mention wayyyyyyy better vault space
@@Spook85 that's not how game development works. They likely wouldn't be able to bring g it back because of the upgrades they've done to the game engine
The question mark enemies were amazing in D1 when coming across them, it made you want to get higher power gear to be able to go back and kill them later.
I'm gonna be honest - I like level scaling because it makes every area viable in endgame, but during leveling it's nice to have some minimum level for certain areas for immersion (world building?) sake. Remember games like Morrowind that had areas and/or enemies that would kick your ass until you leveled up enough, and you'd want to come back stronger to test yourself?
I am a returning player introducing my fiancé to Destiny 2 for the first time and this video is EXTREMELY ACCURATE!!! A lot of our own sentiments were voiced during this video. From the story feeling very disjointed for a new light (I explained to her who Cayde was and after doing the mission that included him she was just like "Well that sucks I didn't even get to know him and he's just dead" and the lack of telling us how important guardian rank was. After watching a different video when searching YT for "what to do as a new player in Destiny 2 f2p" we were like "Ohhh that's really useful actually, why wasn't that more obvious??". As well as what the heck artifacts were. (They SHOULD be introduced with the battle pass or something)Also, I don't know if we missed it but WE think they never told you how to get your mount out. We had to Google it. AND WHY did they omit the information on ENERGY WEAPONS it's such useful info and it used to be apart of the original Red War tutorial. I love how thorough you were in this experiment. You've earned a sub for me for this great, honest and unbiased take on the current new player experience.
Made a friend play D2 month ago when I returned to it. Spent few hours just watching cutscenes on YT to explain the campaign part that is missing as well as introducing Cayde-6 to him cause the "what happened screen" on the navigation planets map kinda sucks.
I actually gave up the first time i tried starting this game. About a year later I pushed through and figured things out ... sort of. There are still things I'm learning that shouldn't require so much effort.
I still think a f2p/new light players needs their own campaign like in y3 Red War + CoO + Warmind. Those stories might not be perfect and confusing by some, but it was a perfect length to make new lights understand the basic of the game at the end of those 3 campaigns. With some tweaking and all, Red War alone could be a better experience to introduce light subclasses for new players, plus they can add legendary campaign for it so those players can also have a weekly pinnacle/loot grind every week.
Ur asking no bungie to put effort into the f2p are we tAlking about the same bungie who charges $60+ half baked dlc which is the size of there old $15 expansions, the same bungie that blocks out content to players that should be free event for a small cost of $10 but now $15 because reasons, the same bungie that took paid content players payed for oh sorry “vaulted” that bungie?
I will say this, the Riskrunner tutorial room did actually do well to show its power to new players. My 2 friends who are completely new to destiny came into this room and were shown the power of the exotic without needing to take damage on purpose
I remember when not only was the opening story more coherent and fun (got ship by finding it and escaping last second), but also had red war as a very good story to open with for tension
I knew the game went through changes but I didn’t realise it was this significant. I remember playing it at release. It was designed specifically for new players that the OG’s from the original were annoyed. It’s crazy that those very friendly and narrative based missions are now gone. And now turns out the DLC I purchased but never played is now unplayable.
Vaulting single-purchase content for live service games is fraud. It should be made clear upon purchase of an expansion that everything in a live-service game is time-limited, due to the nature of live-service. Everything in a live-service game is perishable goods.
@@Gabdube I bought Lightfall so I could play the Trials of Osiris, only to have them change the requirement one week later, now I need to buy another expansion to play it, it's ridiculous
This has always been my biggest challenges about trying to be a casual player as a Dad. Everytime I come back to the game something more confusing an unexplained comes up and recommendations are all over the place. A linear presentation for campaign as at least an option would be great.
Warframe does this beautifully I believe. I was a bit overwhelmed by everything in Warframe but by just playing through the campaign I get a sense of what to do and how to play. But I did get used to Destiny. I started Destiny August (or maybe September, IDR) last year and actually advanced pretty far without using any money. That was because I got the 30th Anniversary add on for free which gave a full set of Legendary gear, an Exotic armor piece, and 2 Exotic weapons. I remember them being Thunder Lord and Coldheart. They also had the all the DLCs free for all for a week. I did the same tactic as I did in Warframe and I learned what to do and how to play properly really quick. I definitely picked a good time to play Destiny
@@Brother_O4TS bro you must have been playing a different game because I tried playing warframe and it is one of the worst new player experiences I've had in an MMO like, EVER 🤣
I love this game with a burning passion but every time I watch a “new light experience” video, I can’t help but think that all my friends are right when they say destiny 2 is garbage. How is this possibly going to get people interested in the game? Buggy, no true guidance on enemy types, build crafting, etc. It’s honestly sad to see. Especially considering that bungie is catering to “newer” players with their easy to play content. It’s getting harder and harder to stand by this game.
Have you played any new games these last few years? Most games these days do not go into depth on build crafting. I’ll use tiny Tina as an example. This gave gives you absolutely no tips on build crafting or any type of stat distribution.
@@bossking9490 I get what you’re saying but I’m talking specifically about destiny 2. Games in general are in a really bad spot because in order to fully enjoy all the content, you need to buy the expansion/battle pass every season. With the amount of money people are pouring into these studios, I don’t think it’s too much to ask for improvement.
@@5280-jando You pretty much need to treat d2 base version as demo, and the latest expansion as the game itself. You need to pay for all games nowadays anyway...
Red war was really one of the best parts of the game. Great campaign to introduce you into the game. By the end of it you would know how to play the game mostly. It even transcended you into your first raid being the leviathan as you get informed about its existence and given a quest for the shotgun which tells you to complete the leviathan raid
i started playing destiny 2 when red war was available, i loved the campaing and played the other 2 [that were free to play], i really miss the red war campaing. Today i have 218 hours of destiny 2 and still playing on free to play
One of the things that constantly bug me are the popups that do NOT go away until you do a specific thing...I have had them on the screen through entire strike missions...
As a new player to this game, I must say you make a whole lot of valid points. I actually was giggling a few times because some of the stuff you mentioned, I actually was struggling at myself, like Armor mods. I think Destiny is a fun game, but definitely a bit overwhelming for newbies. I think it needs more a linear system for new players. There’s too much freedom and choice in it for people like me and it can be really confusing. I am figuring the game out now with each day, however I just think it needs more structure. Let the veterans of Destiny do whatever they want, but “Keep it simple stupid” for noobs like me 😂.
Regarding a more linear path: The Destiny 2 base campaign (Red War) was linear and taught you different things and locations one at a time. It may have had its flaws but I would give so much to replay it and all the other things deleted from the game. But even then there were things missing of course. I do remember completely missing the concept of lost sectors until a good bit after I finished the campaign. No idea how I did it because there even was a quest involving one😂
@@TheWavyWorldOfJuicewhat do you mean by lvl 34? There are too many levels. Season level? (Which is just earned by playing so I guess not that) Light/Gear level? (Which would be 1634 then but even there should be no problem of just receiving a new piece of equipment) Guardian rank? (Which doesn't go to 34) If you can clarify I can try to provide an answer😊
@@seriouslyblack1289 i was a noob , I couldn’t get passed lvl 34 because I didn’t buy the new dlc lol im seasoned now maxed out lvl and light. Been running raids too. Funny u responded all these months lata, to remind myself how much of a rookie i was. Im good now bro preciate the response
@@TheWavyWorldOfJuice yeah just saw the video today. I'm currently guiding a friend through the new light experience who got it from the big epic games drop. It's funny to see how people have to start nowadays
I remember when I started playing last year, I was so confused after the guardian rises quest. I had to get so much help from my dad who has played the game since destiny 1. But after getting all the help, gotta say one of the favorite games right now. So to all the new lights out there, push through it and you'll have a blast!
Dont just push through it, youtube alot and ask for help BUT also go in willing to learn, because theres alot to learn. Had a buddy who keeps asking how to build with something i dont use I explain basic synergy and how to put a basic build together by reading everything and getting a cycle going in your build where everything rotates and comes back around. All the while all he does is equip the suggestions I make, so I've had to just tell him to youtube because honestly I dont have the energy to do that everytime, nor can i make a godtier build out of something i dont use or know anything about. So take any advice you get to heart, you dont have to learn everything immediately, just go in WILLING to learn. Ive had friends whove done the opposite as well even friends whove been playing for a while, they have a different mindset so are alot easier to teach, less draining, im more willing to teach them if they need help again, but theyre also willing to go to outside sources if i dont understand something, and they become alot more knowledgeable and competent and alot faster progress as well just through that growth mindset.
For new lights i think the best way to be approachable is to give back the earlier campaings combined with the ranks so they can understand what is going on with the game
Im am not a new player but I genuinely miss the old campaigns because the only thing this game has available at this point are the same few strikes when it comes to just wanting to have fun.
@wingsoficarus1139 yeah I think the best option now is to quit the game so you get their attention and start seeing the issues if not then I think the community has to start investing into another game
@@jekkin8972I say just make the base game $20 and give everyone forsaken shadowkeep and beyond light at this point they're 3+ year old expansions there's no reason that status last word and Pitt of heresy should each be behind a $20 pay wall
@@josifpanxhi4770 I left about 4 to 5 months after Forsake came out. I joined up about 3 months after Shadow Keep had released after seeing that Destiny 2 would move to steam. The game just disheartened me with how much it's descended into the microtransaction hell hole. Yes, the game needs to generate funds to keep making content, but it feels like things are just getting greedy with the amount of crap that's happened.
As a recent new light myself probably the most confusing thing was just how the actual quest system works through the story. It's told in such a slapdash way when it immediately sucks you into the Neomunda campaign that I still don't really remember the character's names and get them confused when talking to veteran players. It feels like I'm trying to figure out why Zettadongu wants the sphere of Water Wisdom from the Chakakra plane to complete the Glue Confusion and I'm just sitting here wondering if this is supposed to be on the moon or the sun. This is on top of trying to figure out; the whole quest/bounties interface, when to upgrade or ditch certain armors, what even are public events, how many times can I die to jumping puzzles. I was convinced for two weeks that "Divinity" was a hidden stat for people who ran Raids because I was told to "at least start getting it" which was hilarious to a few buddies. I'm slowly getting better but it's been really rough, I still mash through both of the menus from time to time when I need to find something and it's hard to remember if I need the one that starts at the character menu or the one that starts on the map. It's been fun though, so I can't complain too much.
I started 3 weeks and played 120hrs before I realized I couldn't craft weapons because I haven't gone to Mars...so all those weapons I destroyed didn't give me crafting mats because I hadn't unlocked crafting. In fact nothing told me about crafting I figured it out by searching online assuming it must be possible. Easily the worst expirience I've seen for a new player.
You have the right to complain. Bungie needs to hire compotent people and fix the game's UI. The game never bothers to tell new players what does what and how the menus work.
I just started playing Destiny 2 about a week ago. I want to add some comments based upon what you experienced! I'll try not to repeat what you all ready say. * This game was picked because of it's multiplayer aspect, so right after we met Shaw we jumped into a game together. Took a hot minute to figure out how to get that accomplished. * Since we were in a fireteam, we couldn't do the rest of the tutorial where you were meditating... So yea, we were just confused for a while, and then we went back after the fact after we knew what was what. We didn't notice the trap glitches because we were just impressed to see traps in the game. * I forgot about Amanda until you mentioned her. Didn't even notice that there was a memorial, but I never go to the hanger. * There are just too many advancement tracks. I confused the Season with the Halloween event, I didn't know that overall power level even meant anything -- I just assumed if I had good guns I'd be good and if I had bad armor I should just git gud and not get hit, and I saw bounties at different people and assumed they all were quests that leveled you up (which I suppose is true, but I thought it would raise your guardian rank or something). * No one has celebrated my ranks ups with me :( * I knew Cayde was a big deal because of the massive amount of marketing around his death when that was the main storyline. * I had a bad taste about the eververse because that is 1/2 of what I remember people complaining about when the game first launched. * Outside of seeing a few exotics locked behind expansions, I was having A LOT of trouble figuring out why I needed to buy an expansion at all - the free roam was amazing and all the things to discover gave me and my buds more than enough to do up to this point. Not so much a complain but commenting on how much there is to do in the game for new players - and comment on how confused I was that certain story things seemed to be super important than just cut out or stop. * The Timeline is something I blocked from my memory, because it was just yet another new menu to add to the myriad of menu choices I'm all ready struggling with. Is it quests? Just text? A campaign access point? I'm just going to do another public event, I get those... * I deleted an exotic because of lower power... But I got some kind of special loot for doing it so I assumed that it was OK to do that. YT is what taught me about infusion, once I knew what to ask about. * I only knew about Xur because of YT. Honestly sorta felt like cheating the first time I found Xur. * I still find PvP to be intimidating. I'm just sooooooo glad you can accomplish quests just by trying instead of winning or even killing honestly. I have like 3 kills total in 5 matches. :( BTW, your beginners guide was crucial. Thank you.
i think a big part of what makes new light feel weak in tutorialization is the fact that so many new systems were introduced in the last years and their explanation was in content removed from the game like seasons or are just placed too late/early for when they are useful
I think your B for New Light is EXTREMELY charitable. the number of times you pointed out how a truly new player would be justifiably entirely confused as to what the hell was happening on every level, gameplay, core systems, customisation, story puts it at an outright F for me. a D is as high as I would go. recently came back to Destiny 2 after not playing it since a little ways after launch, and the only way I could really grasp certain systems was by searching them, even with a foot in the door, a defaulted Guardian Rank at 6, and numerous other advantages, the new light experience is extremely discouraging. particularly on the story side, the fact that we go straight from Destiny 1's Intro level repackaged as the New Light intro to the next story content we can access in the chronology being WITCH QUEEN, is utterly insane, new players aren't even given an INKLING of how this world functions.
I'm in the same boat, I played Destiny 9 years ago when it was launched, although under developed, the experience was far less daunting and enjoyable in both PvE and PvP content. Now I'm just busy being stuck on the fact that progression will be minimal or extremely slow in comparison to individuals willing to splurge real money. PvE: too busy learning how to understand and formulate a viable class that I can navigate well enough to keep up and reap rewards in content where people destroy everything before I can get a shot off sometimes. PvP: outside of iron banner I don't live for more than a few seconds with people that have not only progressed their gear in ways I have yet to understand, but the entire combat interface is strange and unenjoyable to me. I.e. it's hard to understand why I do far less and take more damage than another person, and then once I did learn, it became displeasing to come to terms with how long it would take to progress in the same manner without paying real money. Some of us don't have spare change lying around to pour into a game like that.
This is a great video! As someone who took a break from Destiny 2 for a couple years since Forsaken and has only returned within the past 3 weeks, this video is how I learned that I could get the seasonal artifact without paying for lightfall 😅
getting the riskrunner was the very first instance of my interest peaking and me feeling like a god. its the very reason i decided to play destiny even more, it made me want to grind for other exotics
Genuinely believe they should use the Guardian Rank system as a guideline, not a direct path. Locking things like armour mods, Fireteam finder and everything behind guardian ranks just makes it way more tedious than it should be. They said before it was supposed to be like a cosmetic type rank to show your veterancy. Not as an extended tutorial.
I agree, I do hate it when games lock content behind progress. I'm sure some racing games even on console prior to internet play, enforced single player progress to unlock multiplayer. Just let me play damn it
People have complained about Warframe's poor tutorials or years but from the -I think- beginning you had tutorials, help screens, and descriptions that all help players understand what's going on. There's a clear path to follow and objectives required to complete before moving on to more difficult or complex content to make sure new players knew the basics of what was going on.
warframe cant really avoid its complexity. the game's method of progression and gameplay is incredibly convoluted and very difficult to explain, which puts warframe into another one of those "guidance of a veteran friend" situations, but if i were to choose between warframe or D2, id pick warframe any day
I actually started Warframe recently and was able to grasp the basics of what to do fairly easily. However beyond the basic information it does get a bit hard to understand what I should do or how stuff works. Games that are as complex as D2 and Warframe have to heavily rely on their community to guide new players because there's so much unexplained. I wish there was a tab in the menu to D2/Warframe where I could read up on every mechanic, at the very least.
@@VonSnuggles1412 and i believe that the reason warframe is more popular among newbies than D2 is for the simple fact that the game harbors little to no toxicity, as the community is fairly nice and willing to guide new players, with the exception of elitists here and there. also their PvP modes are completely dead, so i think thats a contributing factor too lol
I feel the community plays a huge role for new lights like myself. Starting Destiny was very confusing but the tutorials, explanations and constant beginner suggestions I found it enjoyable. I felt comforted knowing that I could search something up when not sure of an unexplained feature.
Omg, I just started this game and you hit everything right. I thought I was alone in this. Everything feels so overwhelming, from the gameplay to storepage. Hell even the quests and certain bounties (everything nightfall related). I try to start a quest, only to be told I need to buy an addon. It's so confusing, now I only do public events and vanguard.
Me as a returning player i also had no idea about the fusing, havent played this game for years, i still have some issues about understaning what some stuff means but this video helped me a lot
How to access said archive? It's such a shitty interface. Hard to find what you actually want and being bombarded with the latest stuff that obviously costs real money - silver at the sametime.
I’m about a week into playing destiny 2 for the for first time and you’ve hit pretty much every issue I ran into. So many unexplained features and countless times when I started feeling like I understood what was happening just to have that story cut short because the character isn’t alive anymore or the newest expansion has changed the story. I only now know what artifact level is because of your video.
yeah, a little while back, I though I would give Destiny 2 a try. I was expecting an MMO experience- I start as a weakling, I level up, progress through the map, meet people. But what I got was really weird and confusing, nothing made any sense to me, and anytime I ran into other players, they were totally uninterested in hanging out. I stuck it out for 20 hrs, pushed through the bugs, started one of the campaigns, and had to look up a guide to understand what Guardian Ranks are. Eventually I lost the thread, got lost, and gave up. The game is pretty hostile to new players. The whole thing seems to be designed around recapturing old players, and having them jump back into raiding.
The biggest issue is that the “Basics” was placed in d2 during the Red War. It’s not a new thing for new lights, they just added it in because it’s easier to do that then make a new map. There’s a reason why you don’t have basic training on how to craft, how to obtain bounties, how a clan works, what do mods do.. the tiny things that make up the Whole of destiny
i remember playing Destiny 1 on xbox 360.. it was really fun having a sense of direction and completing the campaign (i never played online). i wish i could have that experience again with destiny...
I love this new mini-tradition of celebrating new lights getting to higher ranks. Saw a level 3 go to level 4, me and some other player ran over to him and started dancing totally unprompted. Small parts of this community like that make me happy.
When I started to play Destiny 2 a few months ago, my main problem was that you would be introduced to a timeline which exists before all the expansions happened and then the next time you'd log on, you'd be bombarded with taster missions for 5 different expansions with wildly different stories. It was really off-putting but I just suffered through the intros of the Witch Queen, the Red War, something random about Bray Tech and a few other missions I forgot about. At least I kept playing and was able to find out how amazing Destiny 2 actually is.
I recently started WoW because of how biggy Destiny is, and I was blown away by how easy it was to learn how to play. I was queuing for dungeons by the second day. The number 1 thing destiny needs is a tutorial system that you can go back to and review. Something like they have for previewing finishers and emotes but for wverything from dunking motes to dealing with champions, to capping a control point.
@@afilthyweeb8684 WoW as of late has streamlined the process of getting new players to the end game. Say what you will about the game as a whole but that part is one of the few things they didn't mess up
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Hello, new player here. I started playing roughly a week before lightfall came out, here was my experience: 1. Experienced the cold start bug, was super confused. 2. Experienced an additional bug in that mission that left me even more confused. 3. All the weapons and armor things were super confusing, as well as the term “class ability.” I’ll add in here that I still have no idea what a “catalyst” is. 4. Been playing since that point and your mention of “turning a public event into a heroic” was the first time I have heard this is a thing (it’s been what, 3 months?) 5. I started the forsaken campaign and after the update it was gone, I was SUPER confused until I found out it was removed. 6. Everytime I log in I still feel like I’m missing something important lol.
Catalysts are special drops for exotic weapons that make them stronger and enhance their abilities. Every exotic weapon has its own catalyst, they're mostly random drops but you can get some through quests
13:00 locking mods behind a guardian rank is something i had not known until now. That may be the dumbest change ive heard them implement and i cannot seem to understand why. Maybe to not overwhelm new people, but the ability to equip weapon based mods and stat mods would be better than locking them along with buildcrafting mods behind a time/grind wall
I miss when ghost would talk to me. I felt like during lightfall you never hear from him. And in witch queen he had fairly limited dialog compared to beyond light and earlier. Granted I didn't start playing till beyond light and going through all the campaigns back to back while doing new light stuff I heard from him a lot. Nolan's voice is super comforting. What a great character design.
I hate how mean they made Ghost in Witch Queen towards Finch. Other than that I really like Ghost, and even think having him explain mechanics to new players would be nice, that way newer players would know he's an actual character
@@VonSnuggles1412 I think that could be cool but at the same time they dont want ghost to be like Navi from Ocarina of Time constantly being annoying with the "hey, listen"
the one thing that pushed me far from Destiny was a content purge. i bought Destiny with its all packs around month-two before New Light came out and after month or two I was told that all my expansions all exotics everything i bought and didnt make in time to unlock cause i was new player will be erased... It was rly frustrating, but I'm thinking now to come totally full ftp while waiting for First Descendant or project LLL
Played Destiny 1 religiously, played Destiny 2 quite a bit when it dropped as well and fell off once DLCs started dropping, can't even force myself to try it now because it's so ungodly overwhelming
As someone who played Destiny 2 for only a month last December I can say this video was pretty spot on with how I felt, but there was still a lot you did that I never even knew about until the end of my stay like Infusing/Build Crafting/Artifacts (I remember the cringe I felt when I realized I was throwing away so much crafting material after a week of playing). I got instantly lost after my first mission and could only enjoy playing with my friend because he already knew where to go from there. I've played a lot of MMOs before and Destiny was one of the most fun new player experiences I've had but I couldn't get into it in the end cuz I got into the habit of only playing with the friend and by the end of my stay I actually had no idea what to do on my own LOL (no fault of my friend he was very patient through all my questions). Great video, the same friend mentioned Destiny again so I might hop on again :)
I like how you show the good and bad of f2p Destiny 2, and that your criticism is calm and understanding instead of bashing on it, it's very refreshing and I agree with all of what you've said !
My brother and sister both started playing just after Lightfall came out, the amount I have had to to explain is unreal. I feel that if they hadn't had someone to sit down with them and explain how most of the game works they wouldn't have continued to play. They were really confused by some of the ranks, especially the mod system as it was bugged and didn't unlock the mods until a hotfix came out
I just started a few days ago, and it was indeed a bit overwhelming, and i needed a few hours to understand what i am supposed to do besides running around in the cosmodrome and killing these random spawning dudes. but now that i got a bit into the mechanics i really enjoy the game Edit: Also it needed about 5 hours of playtime until i discovered that the sparrow has a boost...
Very good video. Hopefully someone on the team sees this and takes something into consideration… it’s definitely a tough fix and I feel like a new game is due to almost reset and restart. Especially with how much content has been left behind. I can see how a lot of people would have a very hard time playing destiny and staying after their first 1-3 times playing. Very nice video showing the issues well done
I wish to add that two new Guardians I'm currently training spent hours in this game and never once did they realize you have to match your energy weapon type with the energy shields enemies have in order to knock the shield off faster. I never realized that the only time I think Destiny EVER mentions this is back in D1. It's incredible how much this game fails to explain anything important to new comers.
Back when D2 first came out they mentioned it in the tutorial. Too bad they removed that when they decided to vault the original campaign. Still don’t understand why they did that.
Dares of Eternity should be used as the next step of the New Light tutorial where they create a modified version of the game mode that teaches players about subclasses, mods, weapons, armor, bounties, etc.
Agree with everything! I started my "Free to Play" experience a few months ago. Had I not any experience with D1 (albeit VERY little) I would have been even more lost. I'm still very confused about some things, and don't have any friends who play D2, so I'm still trying to figure things out on my own. A bit more tweaking of the current tutorials, limiting hints and such based on Guardian rank (and perhaps free vs paid content) would help immensely. Overall, I love it, and keep crawling back for more
Also I hate how the game shows you how to use strand and ice classes. Its like "heres two really cool movesets that you'll never get because they're behind an expensive DLC." Im a new player and the sheer disappointment I got when I found out those movesets are behind DLCs was infuriating. Dont show me cool stuff then never let me get it unless I spend money. nowhere does it tell me the missions I did were part of expansions. NOWHERE. They really need to add more tutorials explaining these things.
I love this video! I picked Destiny 1 back up a little bit ago and hadn’t played Destiny 2 since the first months it came out so I tried D2 again as well. I gotta say getting back into D2 is even difficult and confusing for a veteran Destiny player. Hopefully they do something to help that, but I appreciate the quick rundown of stuff I didn’t even know about!
I feel like the tips appearing and disappearing quickly is purely due to your computer, on ps4 the tips were there for ages and you could read multiple on ps5 i can usually read one and im in
I never really considered how awful it was for new lights until the dares of eternity incident that happened a while back. Back then I never put much attention into the new lights since I was still doing end game content. I mean, playing the red war, osiris and the warmind DLC was more important to me and when it got vaulted I focused on what was available to me. Being a veteran can have its flaws, means you sort of become blind to the reality that new lights don't get to experience the same stuff as us veterans because we've already gotten so far into the endgame content so we know what we're doing. And usually we think "Well if we can get this far then the new lights will have no problem following." The dares of eternity incident put that perspective out of the window, I realised just how bad it was when new lights were forced into dares and the whole community had to band together to help the blueberries. I definitely tried to help as many as possible and once bungie resolved the problem I began to help some of the new lights in the cosmodrome and.. wow... it was much worse than I imagined, I played with some and asked them questions and they didn't really know anything about the director menu (i dont mention guardian ranks because this was before lightfall came out) or what to do next, the game barely even gave them a direction as to what to do, its like bungie expected them to open up the menu and go to the quest category. I had to literally guide them myself and while it was tedious since I barely knew what the new light quests were at the time since I had never once touched them, eventually I memorised them and thats not even the worst part. So parkour.. lets discuss that, naturally hunters have the easiest jump mechanic, just press A or Space if you're on PC and you'll jump, press A again and you'll double jump. Very simple for new lights. Here's the issue, if you choose a warlock naturally you'll think it'll be easy since you've seen your friends float in the air, but for new lights they don't know anything about this, so I guided some through the riskrunner mission and when we got to the parkour section... it was a rollercoaster, every warlock new light I met could not even make the first jump because they didn't know how the warlock jump even worked (I don't blame them either because bungie actually suck at explaining the jump mechanic in detail) It did take a while since I had to talk about timing the jump but I eventually helped a couple of warlock new lights through the quest, at that point I felt like I was trying to do bungie's job for them since bungie clearly didn't put enough effort into explaining each of the classes abilities in detail. I mean.. jumping? Like thats the most used mechanic in destiny 2 and here I see new lights struggle because bungie can't even explain it properly to them. Basically all of this is to show that even with every new update given to new lights, bungie just can't get it right because they're so used to the veteran community that they have that they disregard the new lights so easily as well. This is incredibly sad since my actions are mere proof that the guide doesn't always work and its easier to have someone guide you through the tutorials rather than read things. Quick message to every veteran: Some of you won't care and thats fine, I understand that many do hate new lights and I've encountered haters, I have no issues with that because even I used to despise them, but for those who feel they wanna do some good, help the new lights, they are confused blueberries because bungie won't teach them how to walk before running. On a sidenote, removing the red war campaign was the biggest mistake bungie ever made, it was literally a whole tutorial put into a massive story, the red war needs to come back, it literally is more helpful than the new light quests.
@@Nb-ko5di It was known as 'Operation Saves the New Lights' a while back new lights were forced into dares eternity as soon as they made their character in the character creation screen, it was due to an error in an update for D2, and as you know new lights don't exactly start with the most powerful of gear. Dares for new lights is way out of their league until they can get access to more powerful gear to increase their light level. So tons of high light level players created 'Operation Save the New Lights' in order to get them through dares so they could actually play D2, the goal was to lower their power level as much as possible, load into dares and as a result you'd be matched up with the new lights, then you'd re-equip your strong gear and get them through it. The reward for the operation was an emblem called Circumflex Diacritic (I have the emblem myself because I also joined to help new lights) feel free to search it up, its legit.
My first time playing destiny 2 was only a year ago when my friends told me it was like playing Halo and it even had the Magnum from the 1st Halo in it. I was pretty happy once I got it. The only thing I'm missing is the Covenant and Flood 😮💨
I was a returning player coming back from when Shadowkeep just came out, and I agree with everything you said. It was sooooo confusing on what everything was.
As a new player, the new light experience made me want to just quit the game. I was lucky and had a lot of friends help me understand it all so i cant imagine someone w/no help.
Amanda is alive shadow bc on the F2P account you wouldn’t have done the seasonal mission yet where she dies so like with cayde (if you had a character who hadn’t done forsakens first mission he’d still be alive and you could interact with him although he’d have nothing to offer) but basically bc you hadn’t done that mission yet shed be alive. And she’s apart of the new light quest to introduce her but after that they should have a pop up saying she’s gone but nothing so it will be very confusing to new players.
Cayde was removed from the Tower when Forsaken launched, but if you had a character running through Red War he'd be at the Farm until you retake the City, if I'm remembering it right.
Destiny isn't making its money from new players, it's from the old ones who are spending all their money on every last expansion. There's no incentive to cater to new players if there's no guarantee they'll want to play past F2P
This is SO spot on! I first tried Destiny like 2 months ago... I spent 1 hour inside Cosmodrome - The Steps, thinking I was locked inside a tutorial, but it was actually a playable zone already. I resumed 1 week ago thanks to a friend. It is still confusing as hell, with lots of quests with paywalls that they don't mention...
I feel for you man. The new light experience needs a lot of work and the price barrier needs to be lowered a lot. I really wouldn't suggest getting further into the game unless you're ready to shell out 180-300 bucks on the game.
Exactly! I came back after a VERY pause from the game. Made a new titan and I was completely lost and was left wondering were to go next, because to my surprise they had deleted the foundation of the story. Disgusting of a company
by now, in my opinion they should just give forsaken and shadow keep free, since year 1 is entirely removed, i think giving shadow keep free would be an nice prolouge on the light&dark saga so they may have incentive to buy the rest of the dlcs
@@Sfcfan120 Why should people be hoodwinked into buying a content pack that has had the contents gutted out of it? The mass majority of the experience is literally not in the game any more asides from the universal additions like weapons and armors. If the quests were still playable I would be more understanding of this viewpoint, but no one CAN play them any more. If Bungie reintroduces the quests again as legacy content I would also be understanding.
@@hanniballectoriii what do you mean, literally all of shadowkeep is still in the game, it’s just that you can only play the campaign once per character because that’s how it used to be back then, the only stuff they removed where frosaken and earliet
@@xNeoNxCyaN Then that's fair on Shadowkeep. I don't think Forsaken and prior should be paywalled at the current price however - and for Shadowkeep it should be retrofitted to be replayable like newer campaigns. Locking people out of things that they've paid for that they can't re-experience in full only evokes Fear Of Missing Out, and causes a divide between newer players and veteran players as time goes on. I had NO idea about any of the story going into Destiny 2 and being sledgehammered with several years of missed content that I cannot experience outside of youtube playthroughs surely isn't worth my monetary investment - especially if I don't know what in full I'm getting, not getting, and what was removed? I just want fair to be fair, and right now, things are very much not fair for new paying customers.
This video helped tremendously for me. I was/am still confused some. i just started playing a week ago and was VERY lost of what everything was. I was super overwhelmed and starting to get very agitated lol Thanks for the vid. If i didn't see this i probably would have stopped playing.
thanks for the kind words! Def check out my beginner's guide, it is actually meant to be helpful. This was just kind of a review of the current state of the game
The fact that the original D2 begging is gone made me sad. It was actually a reason I kept playing cause the story got me really involved. All the cutscenes .. like when Zavala bubbles ppl inside the tower... going through the Last city with your ghost beaten and barely able to fly and then the quest to reacquire your abilities back is something I wish all new players could experience instead of the trashy intro kneeling stuff. Not to mention the fact that new players wont "meet" the fan fav goofy Cayde-6 :(
@@Blessed_Sugmar I believe you can become a partner or something with channels. It’s not available in a lot of regions (the US is the only country in the world btw). It’s basically just a paid subscriber.
Bungie should have a brief voice acted cut scene to narrate the events of previous dlc content and seasonal content, especially for anything that was removed, I started playing during season of the lost and I had no idea what was happening until watching roughly 12 hours of byf content
I'm a relatively new player, and played through the same exact experience you walked through. I didn't have the glitchy experiences you had in "learning light", but I had no idea what was going on besides killing things. I didn't learn about lost sectors until I went exploring Nessus and Exodus black. I actually had to google what a lost sector was to progress in a bounty. I was confused with all of the characters in the tower because there was no story, and I didn't understand who they were until I watched some videos. I don't remember ever seeing a timeline. Learning subclasses was another challenge because I had no idea what to do with the aspects and fragments.
I started playing Destiny 2 last week and that bug you mentioned while collecting scraps is still there. I re-logged in and and ran around for AGES trying to figure out how to continue. I almost stopped playing then and there until the game randomly fixed itself.
I've been playing Destiny since the July 2014 Beta, and in my veteran opinion I think that Destiny 2 stopped being friendly for totally new players since Beyond Light, when the vanilla campaign was removed.
Shadow you are simply one of the best d2 UA-camrs and people out there. You have actually played other games like wow and just understand how to really judge things.
im currently a free to play player and the most annoying thing for me is that i cant do much in the state im in im guardian rank 6 and i cant really progress much more unless i buy DLCs and i just wish they made it so i could still progress
Just downloaded this game again and I haven't played since release. All I can say is navigating anything or even wanting to just do story missions is a pain.
As a new player who only recently made it to rank 6 (and did my first raid) I didn't do the majority of this stuff in the video, I'm lucky because I met someone who was willing to be patient and explain how the game works
Now THIS guy is amazing, he literally walked me thru everything I needed and told me EVERY bug that he encountered and how he encountered it so I wouldn't. Best D2 youtuber I've ever seen!
I was trying to find amanda everywhere for new ships and racers. Had no idea they just killed the character off screen. Bro cmon they needed to tell us something 😂
As a player who started last week I spent so much time figuring out what the heck is going on with quests, plants, bounties etc. Just a lot going on with knowing who to talk to, where to go, what to do…lot of time spent googling lol
GO WATCH MY ULTIMATE BEGINNER'S GUIDE FOR DESTINY: ua-cam.com/video/ADFJul3WnqU/v-deo.htmlsi=D-URoWWA73sawwSz
I’ve bin on FTP since 2018 and the game wasn’t confusing at all.
I don’t get why they say it’s confusing, if they’ve played Halo like my friends, others, and I, it would be very easy. I wasn’t annoyed by any quality either since my TV was on high quality / color since I was having trouble in pvp. I can play pvp perfect now since I changed that and I’ve bin playing Titan since. The colors on the armor and the weapons weren’t hard to figure out that they were common, uncommon, rare, legendary, and Exotic. To me, Exotics aren’t really rare, I get over 1,000 Exotics per year as a Warlock and Titan main. During a 1v1 against my friend, he mocks me on Prismatic Hunter even though he’s played since 2023 so, I swapped to Teather Hunter and cooked lil bro and he was crying. The game overall wasn’t bad when I started.
When Destiny first came out you had story missions, and there were lots of hidden things to investigate. Those were the days.
Finding lost ghost good old days
Destiny 1 was great and then they rushed you off it and D2 is lasting forever
did they remove the new player story??
@@שליויששכר It's totally different now, you end up in the cosmodrome and do some stuff covered in this video.
But the original story where you coming back after your ghost revived you, you had few memories if I remember correctly. You were hurt, no weapon, your health wasn't coming back and had to get through the city and find the farm. The early expansions even if the expansions were not super good did a much better job bringing all the characters together. You were also encouraged to explore the areas looking for hidden things, and piecing the story together.
Not to mention the expansions were maybe 1/3 or 1/4 the price of a season now. It's honestly getting harder and harder to justify the full season price.
When you played during shadowkeep, you had 3 free campaigns
Destiny is one of those games where you absolutely NEED a friend that is willing to walk you through everything. The game relies heavy on its community to guide new players rather than investing into having a decent new player experience.
I do think you CAN get into the game without a guide, but it is much much easier if you have some help. New player experience could def be more educational to help address this
Been playing since Sept 22. No friends who play. But thanks to YT vids I understand the game and have joined a clan and done my first dungeon etc. But I spent most of the first few months spending all my time on YT learning how to play. I didn’t dare attempt a strike in Vanguard Ops for ages. So huge thanks to every Destiny UA-camr who got me through. But even finding the right video is tough a lot of the old beginners guides are out of date!
UA-cam is equivalent to having a friend guide you. A company is doing a BAD job at designing their game if players outside resources are required such as gaming articles, YT videos, friends, etc.
Yes im also F2P and no one ever told me how to make a fireteam or how I can find people to group up for anything at all without relying on matchmaking, so I simply thought to get into a fireteam you either have to Q up for zavala stuff or crucible stuff and it fills the group for you (edit) and when i try to interact in chat there is either no one in chat or what chat am i supposed to be in, there are several colors of chat an none of them work for interacting with other people near you or even in a group, I have never once been able to interact with anyone through the chat feature except for when they message me to swear at me for being a noob, and you can tell I'm a F2P noob because my guardian rank only just hit rank 6. A game that relies on 3rd party apps IMO is an unfinished game, because you need a 3rd party app to make up for what the base game is lacking/missing or the game itself it inop without a critical feature, I tried talking in the chat feature in pvp quickplay because I didn't know what to do, there is no way to learn but to die over and over again. there was no one to answer and no teamwork so I guess everyone just splits up and runs around to shoot at the other team. I was in the military and that would never work in real life but I guess it's a game so there is no need to cover your 6 because you can just respawn?
yeah, could not agree more. I started playing D2 in the middle of forsaken because my friends recommended the game to me. if they weren't there to explain everything and help me understand what I was doing I doubt I would have continued playing, and I definitely wouldn't have invested over 3500 hours and hundreds of dollars in the game. watching this video only made me realize how lucky I was that I had other people who already knew how the game worked to teach me.
New light experience will never feel right without the earlier campaigns imo
Fr. I really wished Bungie kept the Red War campaign
It's way more than earlier campaigns.
With the huge amount of money being with Sony now, I would have thought they could afford to bring it back already? Not to mention wayyyyyyy better vault space
@@Spook85 that's not how game development works. They likely wouldn't be able to bring g it back because of the upgrades they've done to the game engine
#bringbackredwar 🗣🗣
The question mark enemies were amazing in D1 when coming across them, it made you want to get higher power gear to be able to go back and kill them later.
And also the fact that all had different factions and colors lol!
I'm gonna be honest - I like level scaling because it makes every area viable in endgame, but during leveling it's nice to have some minimum level for certain areas for immersion (world building?) sake. Remember games like Morrowind that had areas and/or enemies that would kick your ass until you leveled up enough, and you'd want to come back stronger to test yourself?
So true i loved running away from my first group of enemies with ??? And just dodging and running barley escaping with my life
I am a returning player introducing my fiancé to Destiny 2 for the first time and this video is EXTREMELY ACCURATE!!! A lot of our own sentiments were voiced during this video. From the story feeling very disjointed for a new light (I explained to her who Cayde was and after doing the mission that included him she was just like "Well that sucks I didn't even get to know him and he's just dead" and the lack of telling us how important guardian rank was. After watching a different video when searching YT for "what to do as a new player in Destiny 2 f2p" we were like "Ohhh that's really useful actually, why wasn't that more obvious??". As well as what the heck artifacts were. (They SHOULD be introduced with the battle pass or something)Also, I don't know if we missed it but WE think they never told you how to get your mount out. We had to Google it. AND WHY did they omit the information on ENERGY WEAPONS it's such useful info and it used to be apart of the original Red War tutorial. I love how thorough you were in this experiment. You've earned a sub for me for this great, honest and unbiased take on the current new player experience.
Really appreciate this comment
Same
Made a friend play D2 month ago when I returned to it. Spent few hours just watching cutscenes on YT to explain the campaign part that is missing as well as introducing Cayde-6 to him cause the "what happened screen" on the navigation planets map kinda sucks.
As a newer player, it’s incredibly confusing to start this game. I couldn’t have done it without help from friends who have been playing for a while.
agreed, there needs to be more/better tutorials to teach new players
It also doesn't help that they've deleted huge portions of the game and story; so it'll be even harder for a new light
I actually gave up the first time i tried starting this game. About a year later I pushed through and figured things out ... sort of. There are still things I'm learning that shouldn't require so much effort.
@damienpearce950 imagine if bungie just went "hey, remember all that sunset and removed content? Yeah it's coming back."
@@ethankim7979 I wish man
I still think a f2p/new light players needs their own campaign like in y3 Red War + CoO + Warmind. Those stories might not be perfect and confusing by some, but it was a perfect length to make new lights understand the basic of the game at the end of those 3 campaigns. With some tweaking and all, Red War alone could be a better experience to introduce light subclasses for new players, plus they can add legendary campaign for it so those players can also have a weekly pinnacle/loot grind every week.
this is a great idea
Ur asking no bungie to put effort into the f2p are we tAlking about the same bungie who charges $60+ half baked dlc which is the size of there old $15 expansions, the same bungie that blocks out content to players that should be free event for a small cost of $10 but now $15 because reasons, the same bungie that took paid content players payed for oh sorry “vaulted” that bungie?
RIGHT, they're also missing out a lot due to the removal of those campaigns and planets.
@@watchyourback8877 Which we are going to have to pay for again, most likely.
I will say this, the Riskrunner tutorial room did actually do well to show its power to new players. My 2 friends who are completely new to destiny came into this room and were shown the power of the exotic without needing to take damage on purpose
agreed, that room was amazing
Also it is cool to take them through one of the last jumping "puzzles" outside of a raid in the game because no more Whisper or Zero Hour..
My friend got his Riskrunner and never used it again even though we told him to work on catalyst lol he just doesn't get it, man.
I remember when not only was the opening story more coherent and fun (got ship by finding it and escaping last second), but also had red war as a very good story to open with for tension
I knew the game went through changes but I didn’t realise it was this significant. I remember playing it at release. It was designed specifically for new players that the OG’s from the original were annoyed. It’s crazy that those very friendly and narrative based missions are now gone.
And now turns out the DLC I purchased but never played is now unplayable.
Y is it unplayable?
@@agentnukaz1715vaulted content
It's a crime
Vaulting single-purchase content for live service games is fraud. It should be made clear upon purchase of an expansion that everything in a live-service game is time-limited, due to the nature of live-service. Everything in a live-service game is perishable goods.
@@Gabdube I bought Lightfall so I could play the Trials of Osiris, only to have them change the requirement one week later, now I need to buy another expansion to play it, it's ridiculous
This has always been my biggest challenges about trying to be a casual player as a Dad. Everytime I come back to the game something more confusing an unexplained comes up and recommendations are all over the place. A linear presentation for campaign as at least an option would be great.
Warframe does this beautifully I believe. I was a bit overwhelmed by everything in Warframe but by just playing through the campaign I get a sense of what to do and how to play. But I did get used to Destiny. I started Destiny August (or maybe September, IDR) last year and actually advanced pretty far without using any money. That was because I got the 30th Anniversary add on for free which gave a full set of Legendary gear, an Exotic armor piece, and 2 Exotic weapons. I remember them being Thunder Lord and Coldheart. They also had the all the DLCs free for all for a week. I did the same tactic as I did in Warframe and I learned what to do and how to play properly really quick. I definitely picked a good time to play Destiny
@@Brother_O4TS bro you must have been playing a different game because I tried playing warframe and it is one of the worst new player experiences I've had in an MMO like, EVER 🤣
@@drendenoxendine3491 Sounds like a YOU problem my guy
@@Brother_O4TSno, warframe is definitely worse
@@babytricep437 That's your opinion my guy
I love this game with a burning passion but every time I watch a “new light experience” video, I can’t help but think that all my friends are right when they say destiny 2 is garbage. How is this possibly going to get people interested in the game? Buggy, no true guidance on enemy types, build crafting, etc. It’s honestly sad to see. Especially considering that bungie is catering to “newer” players with their easy to play content. It’s getting harder and harder to stand by this game.
Have you played any new games these last few years? Most games these days do not go into depth on build crafting. I’ll use tiny Tina as an example. This gave gives you absolutely no tips on build crafting or any type of stat distribution.
@@bossking9490 I get what you’re saying but I’m talking specifically about destiny 2. Games in general are in a really bad spot because in order to fully enjoy all the content, you need to buy the expansion/battle pass every season. With the amount of money people are pouring into these studios, I don’t think it’s too much to ask for improvement.
@@bossking9490 Tiny Tina's build crafting is straight forward as hell wdym.
Grand Masters will test your will to live..
@@5280-jando You pretty much need to treat d2 base version as demo, and the latest expansion as the game itself. You need to pay for all games nowadays anyway...
New lights would’ve had a better interaction if Red War and Forsaken was kept in the game
But then bungo would have to actually do some compression
Red war was really one of the best parts of the game. Great campaign to introduce you into the game. By the end of it you would know how to play the game mostly. It even transcended you into your first raid being the leviathan as you get informed about its existence and given a quest for the shotgun which tells you to complete the leviathan raid
i started playing destiny 2 when red war was available, i loved the campaing and played the other 2 [that were free to play], i really miss the red war campaing. Today i have 218 hours of destiny 2 and still playing on free to play
One of the things that constantly bug me are the popups that do NOT go away until you do a specific thing...I have had them on the screen through entire strike missions...
As a new player to this game, I must say you make a whole lot of valid points. I actually was giggling a few times because some of the stuff you mentioned, I actually was struggling at myself, like Armor mods.
I think Destiny is a fun game, but definitely a bit overwhelming for newbies. I think it needs more a linear system for new players. There’s too much freedom and choice in it for people like me and it can be really confusing. I am figuring the game out now with each day, however I just think it needs more structure. Let the veterans of Destiny do whatever they want, but “Keep it simple stupid” for noobs like me 😂.
I just started too , i cant level up past lvl 34..do you know why?
Regarding a more linear path: The Destiny 2 base campaign (Red War) was linear and taught you different things and locations one at a time. It may have had its flaws but I would give so much to replay it and all the other things deleted from the game.
But even then there were things missing of course. I do remember completely missing the concept of lost sectors until a good bit after I finished the campaign. No idea how I did it because there even was a quest involving one😂
@@TheWavyWorldOfJuicewhat do you mean by lvl 34?
There are too many levels. Season level? (Which is just earned by playing so I guess not that)
Light/Gear level? (Which would be 1634 then but even there should be no problem of just receiving a new piece of equipment)
Guardian rank? (Which doesn't go to 34)
If you can clarify I can try to provide an answer😊
@@seriouslyblack1289 i was a noob , I couldn’t get passed lvl 34 because I didn’t buy the new dlc lol im seasoned now maxed out lvl and light. Been running raids too. Funny u responded all these months lata, to remind myself how much of a rookie i was. Im good now bro preciate the response
@@TheWavyWorldOfJuice yeah just saw the video today. I'm currently guiding a friend through the new light experience who got it from the big epic games drop. It's funny to see how people have to start nowadays
I remember when I started playing last year, I was so confused after the guardian rises quest. I had to get so much help from my dad who has played the game since destiny 1. But after getting all the help, gotta say one of the favorite games right now. So to all the new lights out there, push through it and you'll have a blast!
Dont just push through it, youtube alot and ask for help BUT also go in willing to learn, because theres alot to learn. Had a buddy who keeps asking how to build with something i dont use I explain basic synergy and how to put a basic build together by reading everything and getting a cycle going in your build where everything rotates and comes back around. All the while all he does is equip the suggestions I make, so I've had to just tell him to youtube because honestly I dont have the energy to do that everytime, nor can i make a godtier build out of something i dont use or know anything about. So take any advice you get to heart, you dont have to learn everything immediately, just go in WILLING to learn. Ive had friends whove done the opposite as well even friends whove been playing for a while, they have a different mindset so are alot easier to teach, less draining, im more willing to teach them if they need help again, but theyre also willing to go to outside sources if i dont understand something, and they become alot more knowledgeable and competent and alot faster progress as well just through that growth mindset.
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For new lights i think the best way to be approachable is to give back the earlier campaings combined with the ranks so they can understand what is going on with the game
Yeaaaa shadow keep needs to be made free
Im am not a new player but I genuinely miss the old campaigns because the only thing this game has available at this point are the same few strikes when it comes to just wanting to have fun.
@wingsoficarus1139 yeah I think the best option now is to quit the game so you get their attention and start seeing the issues if not then I think the community has to start investing into another game
@@jekkin8972I say just make the base game $20 and give everyone forsaken shadowkeep and beyond light at this point they're 3+ year old expansions there's no reason that status last word and Pitt of heresy should each be behind a $20 pay wall
@@josifpanxhi4770 I left about 4 to 5 months after Forsake came out. I joined up about 3 months after Shadow Keep had released after seeing that Destiny 2 would move to steam. The game just disheartened me with how much it's descended into the microtransaction hell hole. Yes, the game needs to generate funds to keep making content, but it feels like things are just getting greedy with the amount of crap that's happened.
As a recent new light myself probably the most confusing thing was just how the actual quest system works through the story. It's told in such a slapdash way when it immediately sucks you into the Neomunda campaign that I still don't really remember the character's names and get them confused when talking to veteran players. It feels like I'm trying to figure out why Zettadongu wants the sphere of Water Wisdom from the Chakakra plane to complete the Glue Confusion and I'm just sitting here wondering if this is supposed to be on the moon or the sun.
This is on top of trying to figure out; the whole quest/bounties interface, when to upgrade or ditch certain armors, what even are public events, how many times can I die to jumping puzzles. I was convinced for two weeks that "Divinity" was a hidden stat for people who ran Raids because I was told to "at least start getting it" which was hilarious to a few buddies.
I'm slowly getting better but it's been really rough, I still mash through both of the menus from time to time when I need to find something and it's hard to remember if I need the one that starts at the character menu or the one that starts on the map.
It's been fun though, so I can't complain too much.
I started 3 weeks and played 120hrs before I realized I couldn't craft weapons because I haven't gone to Mars...so all those weapons I destroyed didn't give me crafting mats because I hadn't unlocked crafting. In fact nothing told me about crafting I figured it out by searching online assuming it must be possible. Easily the worst expirience I've seen for a new player.
You have all the right to complain mate, this is not supposed to be this confusing...
You have the right to complain. Bungie needs to hire compotent people and fix the game's UI. The game never bothers to tell new players what does what and how the menus work.
I just started playing Destiny 2 about a week ago. I want to add some comments based upon what you experienced! I'll try not to repeat what you all ready say.
* This game was picked because of it's multiplayer aspect, so right after we met Shaw we jumped into a game together. Took a hot minute to figure out how to get that accomplished.
* Since we were in a fireteam, we couldn't do the rest of the tutorial where you were meditating... So yea, we were just confused for a while, and then we went back after the fact after we knew what was what. We didn't notice the trap glitches because we were just impressed to see traps in the game.
* I forgot about Amanda until you mentioned her. Didn't even notice that there was a memorial, but I never go to the hanger.
* There are just too many advancement tracks. I confused the Season with the Halloween event, I didn't know that overall power level even meant anything -- I just assumed if I had good guns I'd be good and if I had bad armor I should just git gud and not get hit, and I saw bounties at different people and assumed they all were quests that leveled you up (which I suppose is true, but I thought it would raise your guardian rank or something).
* No one has celebrated my ranks ups with me :(
* I knew Cayde was a big deal because of the massive amount of marketing around his death when that was the main storyline.
* I had a bad taste about the eververse because that is 1/2 of what I remember people complaining about when the game first launched.
* Outside of seeing a few exotics locked behind expansions, I was having A LOT of trouble figuring out why I needed to buy an expansion at all - the free roam was amazing and all the things to discover gave me and my buds more than enough to do up to this point. Not so much a complain but commenting on how much there is to do in the game for new players - and comment on how confused I was that certain story things seemed to be super important than just cut out or stop.
* The Timeline is something I blocked from my memory, because it was just yet another new menu to add to the myriad of menu choices I'm all ready struggling with. Is it quests? Just text? A campaign access point? I'm just going to do another public event, I get those...
* I deleted an exotic because of lower power... But I got some kind of special loot for doing it so I assumed that it was OK to do that. YT is what taught me about infusion, once I knew what to ask about.
* I only knew about Xur because of YT. Honestly sorta felt like cheating the first time I found Xur.
* I still find PvP to be intimidating. I'm just sooooooo glad you can accomplish quests just by trying instead of winning or even killing honestly. I have like 3 kills total in 5 matches. :(
BTW, your beginners guide was crucial. Thank you.
This video has nothing to do with being a "Free to play" player, the stuff you mentioned happens to every player
i think a big part of what makes new light feel weak in tutorialization is the fact that so many new systems were introduced in the last years and their explanation was in content removed from the game like seasons or are just placed too late/early for when they are useful
I think your B for New Light is EXTREMELY charitable.
the number of times you pointed out how a truly new player would be justifiably entirely confused as to what the hell was happening on every level, gameplay, core systems, customisation, story puts it at an outright F for me. a D is as high as I would go.
recently came back to Destiny 2 after not playing it since a little ways after launch, and the only way I could really grasp certain systems was by searching them, even with a foot in the door, a defaulted Guardian Rank at 6, and numerous other advantages, the new light experience is extremely discouraging.
particularly on the story side, the fact that we go straight from Destiny 1's Intro level repackaged as the New Light intro to the next story content we can access in the chronology being WITCH QUEEN, is utterly insane, new players aren't even given an INKLING of how this world functions.
Ngl I only stayed in destiny 2 bc I joined a discord server and a few of the guardians there explained everything to me
@@ominousromanpillar238 Can you help me? I wanna get back into the game but I am so confused right now. Haven't played in over a year or 2
@@yurrrr3048 I used disboard and just looked for servers that have people but not to many my prime range is like 100-300 accounts
@@yurrrr3048if your still looking for help I'll gladly give you hand
I'm in the same boat, I played Destiny 9 years ago when it was launched, although under developed, the experience was far less daunting and enjoyable in both PvE and PvP content.
Now I'm just busy being stuck on the fact that progression will be minimal or extremely slow in comparison to individuals willing to splurge real money.
PvE: too busy learning how to understand and formulate a viable class that I can navigate well enough to keep up and reap rewards in content where people destroy everything before I can get a shot off sometimes.
PvP: outside of iron banner I don't live for more than a few seconds with people that have not only progressed their gear in ways I have yet to understand, but the entire combat interface is strange and unenjoyable to me.
I.e. it's hard to understand why I do far less and take more damage than another person, and then once I did learn, it became displeasing to come to terms with how long it would take to progress in the same manner without paying real money. Some of us don't have spare change lying around to pour into a game like that.
This is a great video! As someone who took a break from Destiny 2 for a couple years since Forsaken and has only returned within the past 3 weeks, this video is how I learned that I could get the seasonal artifact without paying for lightfall 😅
awesome!
getting the riskrunner was the very first instance of my interest peaking and me feeling like a god. its the very reason i decided to play destiny even more, it made me want to grind for other exotics
Genuinely believe they should use the Guardian Rank system as a guideline, not a direct path. Locking things like armour mods, Fireteam finder and everything behind guardian ranks just makes it way more tedious than it should be. They said before it was supposed to be like a cosmetic type rank to show your veterancy. Not as an extended tutorial.
I agree, I do hate it when games lock content behind progress. I'm sure some racing games even on console prior to internet play, enforced single player progress to unlock multiplayer. Just let me play damn it
People have complained about Warframe's poor tutorials or years but from the -I think- beginning you had tutorials, help screens, and descriptions that all help players understand what's going on. There's a clear path to follow and objectives required to complete before moving on to more difficult or complex content to make sure new players knew the basics of what was going on.
And also you can just jump into warframe right now and do all (mostly) the story from begining to end without any of it being deleted.
@@domezasrekh3775 and every content update and expansion is completely free
warframe cant really avoid its complexity. the game's method of progression and gameplay is incredibly convoluted and very difficult to explain, which puts warframe into another one of those "guidance of a veteran friend" situations, but if i were to choose between warframe or D2, id pick warframe any day
I actually started Warframe recently and was able to grasp the basics of what to do fairly easily. However beyond the basic information it does get a bit hard to understand what I should do or how stuff works.
Games that are as complex as D2 and Warframe have to heavily rely on their community to guide new players because there's so much unexplained. I wish there was a tab in the menu to D2/Warframe where I could read up on every mechanic, at the very least.
@@VonSnuggles1412 and i believe that the reason warframe is more popular among newbies than D2 is for the simple fact that the game harbors little to no toxicity, as the community is fairly nice and willing to guide new players, with the exception of elitists here and there. also their PvP modes are completely dead, so i think thats a contributing factor too lol
I feel the community plays a huge role for new lights like myself. Starting Destiny was very confusing but the tutorials, explanations and constant beginner suggestions I found it enjoyable. I felt comforted knowing that I could search something up when not sure of an unexplained feature.
Ghost mods are also super important for xp(through modularity or prosperity)but never get mentioned (especially when they were random rolls)🎉
@Peniley Majorey pretty much I had 9master worked ghosts one for xp, one for crucible, one for strikes one for finding chest etc
Omg, I just started this game and you hit everything right. I thought I was alone in this. Everything feels so overwhelming, from the gameplay to storepage. Hell even the quests and certain bounties (everything nightfall related). I try to start a quest, only to be told I need to buy an addon. It's so confusing, now I only do public events and vanguard.
Me as a returning player i also had no idea about the fusing, havent played this game for years, i still have some issues about understaning what some stuff means but this video helped me a lot
In the ever-verse archive there is a shader pack for 3,000 glimmer. Lots of old shaders for newbies to experiment with
@Peniley Majorey Tess starts selling NFTs
I remember it took me like half a year to find that
How to access said archive?
It's such a shitty interface.
Hard to find what you actually want and being bombarded with the latest stuff that obviously costs real money - silver at the sametime.
@@marcust478 its the tab with all of the 2000 silver ornament bundles, just look through it until you see something worth glimmer
@@marcust478 It's literally in the store tab titled "archive", I think the icon is a cardboard box?
I’m about a week into playing destiny 2 for the for first time and you’ve hit pretty much every issue I ran into. So many unexplained features and countless times when I started feeling like I understood what was happening just to have that story cut short because the character isn’t alive anymore or the newest expansion has changed the story. I only now know what artifact level is because of your video.
yeah, a little while back, I though I would give Destiny 2 a try. I was expecting an MMO experience- I start as a weakling, I level up, progress through the map, meet people. But what I got was really weird and confusing, nothing made any sense to me, and anytime I ran into other players, they were totally uninterested in hanging out. I stuck it out for 20 hrs, pushed through the bugs, started one of the campaigns, and had to look up a guide to understand what Guardian Ranks are. Eventually I lost the thread, got lost, and gave up.
The game is pretty hostile to new players. The whole thing seems to be designed around recapturing old players, and having them jump back into raiding.
The biggest issue is that the “Basics” was placed in d2 during the Red War. It’s not a new thing for new lights, they just added it in because it’s easier to do that then make a new map. There’s a reason why you don’t have basic training on how to craft, how to obtain bounties, how a clan works, what do mods do.. the tiny things that make up the Whole of destiny
Or they just slowly show bits of the tutorial in the dlc campaign so it seems like more content
i remember playing Destiny 1 on xbox 360.. it was really fun having a sense of direction and completing the campaign (i never played online). i wish i could have that experience again with destiny...
I tried F2P D2 on my alt account yesterday for about 4 hours and boy… that depression kicked in real quick
I love this new mini-tradition of celebrating new lights getting to higher ranks. Saw a level 3 go to level 4, me and some other player ran over to him and started dancing totally unprompted. Small parts of this community like that make me happy.
Its great. I think you get a buff for it
When I started to play Destiny 2 a few months ago, my main problem was that you would be introduced to a timeline which exists before all the expansions happened and then the next time you'd log on, you'd be bombarded with taster missions for 5 different expansions with wildly different stories. It was really off-putting but I just suffered through the intros of the Witch Queen, the Red War, something random about Bray Tech and a few other missions I forgot about. At least I kept playing and was able to find out how amazing Destiny 2 actually is.
I recently started WoW because of how biggy Destiny is, and I was blown away by how easy it was to learn how to play. I was queuing for dungeons by the second day. The number 1 thing destiny needs is a tutorial system that you can go back to and review. Something like they have for previewing finishers and emotes but for wverything from dunking motes to dealing with champions, to capping a control point.
WoW as a good and beginner friendly game is not the hill you want to die on kiddo
@@afilthyweeb8684 WoW as of late has streamlined the process of getting new players to the end game. Say what you will about the game as a whole but that part is one of the few things they didn't mess up
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no way after everything this guy says he gives it a A-
Hello, new player here. I started playing roughly a week before lightfall came out, here was my experience:
1. Experienced the cold start bug, was super confused.
2. Experienced an additional bug in that mission that left me even more confused.
3. All the weapons and armor things were super confusing, as well as the term “class ability.” I’ll add in here that I still have no idea what a “catalyst” is.
4. Been playing since that point and your mention of “turning a public event into a heroic” was the first time I have heard this is a thing (it’s been what, 3 months?)
5. I started the forsaken campaign and after the update it was gone, I was SUPER confused until I found out it was removed.
6. Everytime I log in I still feel like I’m missing something important lol.
Catalysts are special drops for exotic weapons that make them stronger and enhance their abilities. Every exotic weapon has its own catalyst, they're mostly random drops but you can get some through quests
exactly, welcome to video gaming hell.
@@sliceserve234real bro i almost want to come back but idk everytime im this close
@@Skeetoyoufeel it isn't this dramatic, you could try the game again for a bit, if you like it you like it, and if not then not
13:00 locking mods behind a guardian rank is something i had not known until now. That may be the dumbest change ive heard them implement and i cannot seem to understand why. Maybe to not overwhelm new people, but the ability to equip weapon based mods and stat mods would be better than locking them along with buildcrafting mods behind a time/grind wall
I miss when ghost would talk to me. I felt like during lightfall you never hear from him. And in witch queen he had fairly limited dialog compared to beyond light and earlier. Granted I didn't start playing till beyond light and going through all the campaigns back to back while doing new light stuff I heard from him a lot. Nolan's voice is super comforting. What a great character design.
I hate how mean they made Ghost in Witch Queen towards Finch. Other than that I really like Ghost, and even think having him explain mechanics to new players would be nice, that way newer players would know he's an actual character
@@VonSnuggles1412 I think that could be cool but at the same time they dont want ghost to be like Navi from Ocarina of Time constantly being annoying with the "hey, listen"
@@x9x9x9x9x9 that's true, I hadn't thought about it that way lmao
the one thing that pushed me far from Destiny was a content purge. i bought Destiny with its all packs around month-two before New Light came out and after month or two I was told that all my expansions all exotics everything i bought and didnt make in time to unlock cause i was new player will be erased... It was rly frustrating, but I'm thinking now to come totally full ftp while waiting for First Descendant or project LLL
Played Destiny 1 religiously, played Destiny 2 quite a bit when it dropped as well and fell off once DLCs started dropping, can't even force myself to try it now because it's so ungodly overwhelming
As someone who played Destiny 2 for only a month last December I can say this video was pretty spot on with how I felt, but there was still a lot you did that I never even knew about until the end of my stay like Infusing/Build Crafting/Artifacts (I remember the cringe I felt when I realized I was throwing away so much crafting material after a week of playing). I got instantly lost after my first mission and could only enjoy playing with my friend because he already knew where to go from there.
I've played a lot of MMOs before and Destiny was one of the most fun new player experiences I've had but I couldn't get into it in the end cuz I got into the habit of only playing with the friend and by the end of my stay I actually had no idea what to do on my own LOL (no fault of my friend he was very patient through all my questions). Great video, the same friend mentioned Destiny again so I might hop on again :)
I like how you show the good and bad of f2p Destiny 2, and that your criticism is calm and understanding instead of bashing on it, it's very refreshing and I agree with all of what you've said !
Stop defending the mutiny billion dollar corporation that has quite literally stolen content from players
My brother and sister both started playing just after Lightfall came out, the amount I have had to to explain is unreal. I feel that if they hadn't had someone to sit down with them and explain how most of the game works they wouldn't have continued to play. They were really confused by some of the ranks, especially the mod system as it was bugged and didn't unlock the mods until a hotfix came out
I just started a few days ago, and it was indeed a bit overwhelming, and i needed a few hours to understand what i am supposed to do besides running around in the cosmodrome and killing these random spawning dudes. but now that i got a bit into the mechanics i really enjoy the game
Edit: Also it needed about 5 hours of playtime until i discovered that the sparrow has a boost...
Very good video. Hopefully someone on the team sees this and takes something into consideration… it’s definitely a tough fix and I feel like a new game is due to almost reset and restart. Especially with how much content has been left behind. I can see how a lot of people would have a very hard time playing destiny and staying after their first 1-3 times playing.
Very nice video showing the issues well done
I wish to add that two new Guardians I'm currently training spent hours in this game and never once did they realize you have to match your energy weapon type with the energy shields enemies have in order to knock the shield off faster. I never realized that the only time I think Destiny EVER mentions this is back in D1. It's incredible how much this game fails to explain anything important to new comers.
Back when D2 first came out they mentioned it in the tutorial. Too bad they removed that when they decided to vault the original campaign. Still don’t understand why they did that.
Dares of Eternity should be used as the next step of the New Light tutorial where they create a modified version of the game mode that teaches players about subclasses, mods, weapons, armor, bounties, etc.
Unfortunately Dares of Eternity is behind a pay wall so unless they made it free it wouldn't be available to f2p new players
@@drendenoxendine3491 No?
Dares isn't behind a paywall.
I've done it with people who own nothing and booted up the game only an hour beforehand.
Agree with everything! I started my "Free to Play" experience a few months ago. Had I not any experience with D1 (albeit VERY little) I would have been even more lost. I'm still very confused about some things, and don't have any friends who play D2, so I'm still trying to figure things out on my own. A bit more tweaking of the current tutorials, limiting hints and such based on Guardian rank (and perhaps free vs paid content) would help immensely. Overall, I love it, and keep crawling back for more
Also I hate how the game shows you how to use strand and ice classes. Its like "heres two really cool movesets that you'll never get because they're behind an expensive DLC."
Im a new player and the sheer disappointment I got when I found out those movesets are behind DLCs was infuriating. Dont show me cool stuff then never let me get it unless I spend money. nowhere does it tell me the missions I did were part of expansions. NOWHERE. They really need to add more tutorials explaining these things.
I love this video! I picked Destiny 1 back up a little bit ago and hadn’t played Destiny 2 since the first months it came out so I tried D2 again as well. I gotta say getting back into D2 is even difficult and confusing for a veteran Destiny player. Hopefully they do something to help that, but I appreciate the quick rundown of stuff I didn’t even know about!
I feel like the tips appearing and disappearing quickly is purely due to your computer, on ps4 the tips were there for ages and you could read multiple on ps5 i can usually read one and im in
I never really considered how awful it was for new lights until the dares of eternity incident that happened a while back.
Back then I never put much attention into the new lights since I was still doing end game content.
I mean, playing the red war, osiris and the warmind DLC was more important to me and when it got vaulted I focused on what was available to me.
Being a veteran can have its flaws, means you sort of become blind to the reality that new lights don't get to experience the same stuff as us veterans because we've already gotten so far into the endgame content so we know what we're doing.
And usually we think "Well if we can get this far then the new lights will have no problem following."
The dares of eternity incident put that perspective out of the window, I realised just how bad it was when new lights were forced into dares and the whole community had to band together to help the blueberries.
I definitely tried to help as many as possible and once bungie resolved the problem I began to help some of the new lights in the cosmodrome and.. wow... it was much worse than I imagined, I played with some and asked them questions and they didn't really know anything about the director menu (i dont mention guardian ranks because this was before lightfall came out) or what to do next, the game barely even gave them a direction as to what to do, its like bungie expected them to open up the menu and go to the quest category.
I had to literally guide them myself and while it was tedious since I barely knew what the new light quests were at the time since I had never once touched them, eventually I memorised them and thats not even the worst part.
So parkour.. lets discuss that, naturally hunters have the easiest jump mechanic, just press A or Space if you're on PC and you'll jump, press A again and you'll double jump.
Very simple for new lights.
Here's the issue, if you choose a warlock naturally you'll think it'll be easy since you've seen your friends float in the air, but for new lights they don't know anything about this, so I guided some through the riskrunner mission and when we got to the parkour section... it was a rollercoaster, every warlock new light I met could not even make the first jump because they didn't know how the warlock jump even worked (I don't blame them either because bungie actually suck at explaining the jump mechanic in detail)
It did take a while since I had to talk about timing the jump but I eventually helped a couple of warlock new lights through the quest, at that point I felt like I was trying to do bungie's job for them since bungie clearly didn't put enough effort into explaining each of the classes abilities in detail.
I mean.. jumping? Like thats the most used mechanic in destiny 2 and here I see new lights struggle because bungie can't even explain it properly to them.
Basically all of this is to show that even with every new update given to new lights, bungie just can't get it right because they're so used to the veteran community that they have that they disregard the new lights so easily as well.
This is incredibly sad since my actions are mere proof that the guide doesn't always work and its easier to have someone guide you through the tutorials rather than read things.
Quick message to every veteran: Some of you won't care and thats fine, I understand that many do hate new lights and I've encountered haters, I have no issues with that because even I used to despise them, but for those who feel they wanna do some good, help the new lights, they are confused blueberries because bungie won't teach them how to walk before running.
On a sidenote, removing the red war campaign was the biggest mistake bungie ever made, it was literally a whole tutorial put into a massive story, the red war needs to come back, it literally is more helpful than the new light quests.
what the dares of eternity incident
@@Nb-ko5di It was known as 'Operation Saves the New Lights' a while back new lights were forced into dares eternity as soon as they made their character in the character creation screen, it was due to an error in an update for D2, and as you know new lights don't exactly start with the most powerful of gear.
Dares for new lights is way out of their league until they can get access to more powerful gear to increase their light level.
So tons of high light level players created 'Operation Save the New Lights' in order to get them through dares so they could actually play D2, the goal was to lower their power level as much as possible, load into dares and as a result you'd be matched up with the new lights, then you'd re-equip your strong gear and get them through it.
The reward for the operation was an emblem called Circumflex Diacritic (I have the emblem myself because I also joined to help new lights) feel free to search it up, its legit.
@@horrorpleb249 woow, thank you for the explanation.
7:05 This is why the seasonal story should be free, never mind the fact that the quest hasn't changed to reflect the current story
My first time playing destiny 2 was only a year ago when my friends told me it was like playing Halo and it even had the Magnum from the 1st Halo in it. I was pretty happy once I got it. The only thing I'm missing is the Covenant and Flood 😮💨
I was a returning player coming back from when Shadowkeep just came out, and I agree with everything you said. It was sooooo confusing on what everything was.
As a new player, the new light experience made me want to just quit the game. I was lucky and had a lot of friends help me understand it all so i cant imagine someone w/no help.
Amanda is alive shadow bc on the F2P account you wouldn’t have done the seasonal mission yet where she dies so like with cayde (if you had a character who hadn’t done forsakens first mission he’d still be alive and you could interact with him although he’d have nothing to offer) but basically bc you hadn’t done that mission yet shed be alive. And she’s apart of the new light quest to introduce her but after that they should have a pop up saying she’s gone but nothing so it will be very confusing to new players.
Cayde was removed from the Tower when Forsaken launched, but if you had a character running through Red War he'd be at the Farm until you retake the City, if I'm remembering it right.
Destiny isn't making its money from new players, it's from the old ones who are spending all their money on every last expansion. There's no incentive to cater to new players if there's no guarantee they'll want to play past F2P
I got my friend into destiny, Its fun watching him learn and we recently did a master dungeon too. Crazy how far he came from being a new light :,)
This is SO spot on!
I first tried Destiny like 2 months ago... I spent 1 hour inside Cosmodrome - The Steps, thinking I was locked inside a tutorial, but it was actually a playable zone already. I resumed 1 week ago thanks to a friend. It is still confusing as hell, with lots of quests with paywalls that they don't mention...
I feel for you man. The new light experience needs a lot of work and the price barrier needs to be lowered a lot. I really wouldn't suggest getting further into the game unless you're ready to shell out 180-300 bucks on the game.
i feel for you but somehow the game gets more and more enjoyable by time
I want Red War, Curse of Osiris, and Warmind back. Because then, Destiny 2 for new players would actually make sense.
Exactly! I came back after a VERY pause from the game. Made a new titan and I was completely lost and was left wondering were to go next, because to my surprise they had deleted the foundation of the story. Disgusting of a company
Destiny 2 isn't free to play, it's free to try XD
I've never seen a game with that many paywalls in my whole life, it's astonishing
by now, in my opinion they should just give forsaken and shadow keep free, since year 1 is entirely removed, i think giving shadow keep free would be an nice prolouge on the light&dark saga so they may have incentive to buy the rest of the dlcs
Why do so may players just feel entitled to free stuff cus it's a bit older? Not trying to massively defend bungie but it's content they spent ages on
@@Sfcfan120 Why should people be hoodwinked into buying a content pack that has had the contents gutted out of it? The mass majority of the experience is literally not in the game any more asides from the universal additions like weapons and armors.
If the quests were still playable I would be more understanding of this viewpoint, but no one CAN play them any more.
If Bungie reintroduces the quests again as legacy content I would also be understanding.
@@hanniballectoriii what do you mean, literally all of shadowkeep is still in the game, it’s just that you can only play the campaign once per character because that’s how it used to be back then, the only stuff they removed where frosaken and earliet
@@xNeoNxCyaN Then that's fair on Shadowkeep. I don't think Forsaken and prior should be paywalled at the current price however - and for Shadowkeep it should be retrofitted to be replayable like newer campaigns.
Locking people out of things that they've paid for that they can't re-experience in full only evokes Fear Of Missing Out, and causes a divide between newer players and veteran players as time goes on. I had NO idea about any of the story going into Destiny 2 and being sledgehammered with several years of missed content that I cannot experience outside of youtube playthroughs surely isn't worth my monetary investment - especially if I don't know what in full I'm getting, not getting, and what was removed?
I just want fair to be fair, and right now, things are very much not fair for new paying customers.
@@xNeoNxCyaN one problem: shadowkeep isn't fucking worth it
I’ve never played destiny for more than 30 min and this vid really opened my eyes
I did leave this game at that quest. But after years.... I want to try the game again. Thanks fot the vid!
Everyone avoids letting new lights know xur isn't ftp😂😂😂
Wait he isn't? You have to get the lastest DLC for him or ?
@@rickydhilon7889 no idk what that perso is talking about. Any exotic that isnt tied to a dlc can be bought by ftp players
@Ricky Dhilon any exotic locked to dlc requires dlc even from xur ergo 99% of the meta
Make Red War the new player experience. Enough said.
someone hand this video to bungie
This video helped tremendously for me. I was/am still confused some. i just started playing a week ago and was VERY lost of what everything was. I was super overwhelmed and starting to get very agitated lol Thanks for the vid. If i didn't see this i probably would have stopped playing.
thanks for the kind words! Def check out my beginner's guide, it is actually meant to be helpful. This was just kind of a review of the current state of the game
The fact that the original D2 begging is gone made me sad. It was actually a reason I kept playing cause the story got me really involved. All the cutscenes .. like when Zavala bubbles ppl inside the tower... going through the Last city with your ghost beaten and barely able to fly and then the quest to reacquire your abilities back is something I wish all new players could experience instead of the trashy intro kneeling stuff.
Not to mention the fact that new players wont "meet" the fan fav goofy Cayde-6 :(
"In 2024" - Made in April of 2023
Almost too soon! 😂
people are going to be wondering how you commented on the video before it was published
@@ShadowDestiny2 better gaming chair ofc
@@ShadowDestiny2 what sorcery did thou'st do?
@@Blessed_Sugmar I believe you can become a partner or something with channels. It’s not available in a lot of regions (the US is the only country in the world btw). It’s basically just a paid subscriber.
@@Alex-ug9wx oh ok thanks didn't realize you get those perks when u get a membership
Bungie should have a brief voice acted cut scene to narrate the events of previous dlc content and seasonal content, especially for anything that was removed, I started playing during season of the lost and I had no idea what was happening until watching roughly 12 hours of byf content
I'm a relatively new player, and played through the same exact experience you walked through. I didn't have the glitchy experiences you had in "learning light", but I had no idea what was going on besides killing things. I didn't learn about lost sectors until I went exploring Nessus and Exodus black. I actually had to google what a lost sector was to progress in a bounty. I was confused with all of the characters in the tower because there was no story, and I didn't understand who they were until I watched some videos. I don't remember ever seeing a timeline. Learning subclasses was another challenge because I had no idea what to do with the aspects and fragments.
When I started the game I didn’t know energy weapons did extra damage to shielded stuff until I was past power 1700
8:27 that is so wholesome!!! My server is def like this. Everyone seems so uninterested in eachother and doesn’t even interact with eachother.
I started playing Destiny 2 last week and that bug you mentioned while collecting scraps is still there. I re-logged in and and ran around for AGES trying to figure out how to continue. I almost stopped playing then and there until the game randomly fixed itself.
I've been playing Destiny since the July 2014 Beta, and in my veteran opinion I think that Destiny 2 stopped being friendly for totally new players since Beyond Light, when the vanilla campaign was removed.
15:07 The fact that I stood there roaming around and falling onto my death not knowing what to do summarises it 💀
I tried destiny 2 and I can confidently say that there is a game somwhere inside the Mircro transcation simulation.
Hi Shadow, your script writing and how you structure your sentences is very easy to follow and easily gets me hooked onto your videos. Great work.
Shadow you are simply one of the best d2 UA-camrs and people out there. You have actually played other games like wow and just understand how to really judge things.
"Defend the ghost while he scans something..."
I remember that mission
cold boot is STILL NOT FIXED btw. It just happens 30% of the time now
wtf!
im currently a free to play player and the most annoying thing for me is that i cant do much in the state im in im guardian rank 6 and i cant really progress much more unless i buy DLCs and i just wish they made it so i could still progress
Just downloaded this game again and I haven't played since release. All I can say is navigating anything or even wanting to just do story missions is a pain.
As a new player who only recently made it to rank 6 (and did my first raid) I didn't do the majority of this stuff in the video, I'm lucky because I met someone who was willing to be patient and explain how the game works
I'm a new player, got introduced to Cayd with a really nice mission celebrating his memory.
Now THIS guy is amazing, he literally walked me thru everything I needed and told me EVERY bug that he encountered and how he encountered it so I wouldn't. Best D2 youtuber I've ever seen!
I was trying to find amanda everywhere for new ships and racers. Had no idea they just killed the character off screen. Bro cmon they needed to tell us something 😂
I wish this was as covered as Aztecross video was. Both of these videos were gold in telling what I've been saying for a couple years now.
I’ve been playing this game since it came out and I’m still learning everytime I play it (D1 included)
playing for a year, didn't know about crit spots, ty
As a player who started last week I spent so much time figuring out what the heck is going on with quests, plants, bounties etc. Just a lot going on with knowing who to talk to, where to go, what to do…lot of time spent googling lol