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I do feel bad for f2p players being locked out/time gated on basic activities. They should consider a legacy nightfall list, with only the lowest option difficulty being available while keeping the seasonal GM list. This would let f2p do nightfalls without waiting for a non dlc strike.
@@jasonmiller2379 true, content that is over a year or 2 old needs to just come forward. Especially when its locking key locations and functions to the game/story like the additional supers for light classes. (I don't recall if they did unlock them or not after 3.0 for everyone or not)
It’s a living hell for me and other free to play players I have to grind to much just to get to the max level for each season and by the time I finish it its the end of season
@@swalke6861 Fortunately they aren't increasing the power level anymore outside of large expansions. Even as someone that plays pretty frequently and actually pays for the seasons the grind for power was always the biggest pain point.
Hot take, red war was and always will be a better new light experience than what we've had since beyond light (especially the halo 3 forge mission lol)
I feel like they should have an hour long tutorial on the game, there’s so much stuff they need to learn so an hour to half an hour guide on it all with practice missions
This just made me think “what if we had a free to play new light campaign, but it also had the option for Legendary difficulty” but I don’t know what kind of incentive to do that would be besides bragging
@@TheKyleman6 the point of Legendary difficulty is not only "risk /reward", but also fun and enjoyment: some players simply don't want to play unless challenged, and because normal campaigns are usually mind numbing to say the least, a more difficult option is always useful to have, especially if done right (like the last 2 campaigns)
@@themaxpanteraschannel9459 true, I myself kinda like doing mind numbing stuff in this game sometimes (like going to low end patrols with random guns I like the look and feel of and just shooting shit) but I also sometimes like doing the Legendary Campaigns if only to say “I did it on all 3 of my classes” but it’s also frustrating sometimes with the difficulty (I took 1-2 missions a day when I did WQ Legendary on a pre-nerfed HOIL Arc Titan, while I did it on a Assassin Arc Hunter in one whole day, with only Savathun giving me trouble)
@@TimecraftGamingSjors honestly kinda true. They'd definitely need to fix some parts of it, but the red war coming back would be pretty cool. And I'd actually pay a small fortune for a legendary forsaken campaign.
I hope they redesign this whole experience soon, every time I see new lights I do my best to help them because this game can be so fun but even I can admit it’s a nightmare trying to learn at this point
Risk/Reward is in the Cosmodrome because the quest came out and took you to the Cosmodrome before the Cosmodrome came back as a patrol zone, so they placed it on the EDZ (the only earth patrol zone at the time). When the quest released it was like a nostalgic throwback to D1. The Cosmodrome came back though so it doesn't make much sense for it to not be there but I figure they probably just never found a real reason to move the node.
When he mentioned, "forever gated at level 6" , felt this in my bones. Been f2playing for the past 1500++ hours, and often look up to others in admiration for their accomplishments in those quests that I can't access. But it's ok it's all good, and oh ,many thanks to y'all players for keeping the teamplayer spirit in strikes/ destiny runs making it a pleasant experience for everyone without judgement. Salute.
They should add this mission for starter players where the city and traveller are attacked. The gaurdian travels to the city and gets his light taken. The player then makes his way to a village and goes through other mission to get their light back and take out the enemy that attacked the city and traveller.
I think that Sweat summed it up pretty well. It’s half and half. Free to play is not as bad as people make it out to be, and it is certainly WAY better than it was when I first was a f2p gamer. There’s a lot of content to do (Even some endgame content which is unfortunately locked behind time gates) and unlike the past year or so, Bungie is starting to give new lights direction on what to do next. Is free to play better than buying dlc? No. Are you missing out on a lot of stuff if you don’t pay for content? Yes. However, I truly believe now more than before that you *can* get by in this game as a free to play gamer and still have a good time, but you need friends, which paying for stuff in the game won’t really help you in that department.
And the pop ups asking to buy makes this feel like a mobile game lmao, almost every vendor has something that tells you you need a dlc first to purchase one of the items. Kinda feels like if a f2p sees those pop ups they would feel pressured to to purchase the dlc with so many things locked behind them
It's not fun enough to warrant playing f2p and the community (at least on console) is full of impatient douchebags who don't help new players understand mechanics or anything else. The only situation it's a viable game to play is if you have friends on it at all times. Otherwise you're just wasting your own time for fun.
Free to play is still so much worse than it used to be before the content vault though. you had a full campaign to do, and multiple activities, but now you just have a few small activities from various dlcs and the game asking you to spend money every 3 minutes. Edit: just remembered the game wasn't free to play at the time, but I'd still rather pay money for a game with actual content than play a game labeled as "free to play" that bombards you with dlc advertisements.
A friend and I got back into Destiny with Lightfall since basically beyond light (I played a little here and there) and since then a few other friends have each tried out playing it at different interest levels and it felt like with each person you have to explain so much just to like get off to the right start and its honestly overwhelming at the beginning.
Maybe shadow keep should be redone into a new light campaign. It’s 4 years old at this point and if won’t be sunset make it useful for new players it gives them a story to latch onto and play through, it would also give them more weapons to use and options to level up as well. Also let people just play the strikes/nightfall I could almost guarantee no new player is gonna wait weeks for a nightfall they’ll see buy this dlc and probably opt out
Honestly at this point shadowkeep needs to be the redwar of D2 at this point since that’s when they specifically stated it’s our first encounter with the pyramid and the witness leading us to this dark age. Would make sense instead of this watered down version of d1 s opening
As someone who played Destiny way back in the day and JUST got Destiny 2 like four days ago, the info dumping and 1,000 menu screens are making me feel elderly. That being said, I’m LOVING it
I played D1 for the entirety of its lifespan. Played D2 religiously for a year and then on and off for the rest. I jumped on the other day just to relive the glory days and I was so overwhelmed. I've never been so turned away from a game. Can't imagine what it would be like for a new player.
I played D1 & 2 religiously for years when they first came out, and came back for Forsaken when I switched to PC - it's honestly sad to see how gated the game is now, especially for new players and unless I'm misreading the editing there doesn't seem to be all the legacy stories/strikes/raids etc. The fact it took months to hit 1800 with a good understanding of the game is absolutely insane to me and even though I own a fair few DLC packs, it still makes me want to avoid the game for now
Got my friends to try D2 again and since they had played for like 2 days when D2 first went free years ago they started at rank 6 and got thrown into lightfalls first mission immediately and had no idea what was happening.
Great video! Just coming back to the game after not playing it since the 1st expansion. It's crazy to see how far the monetization has tilted to the extreme. I am only playing it cause my Nephew was interested in it. We're doing the F2P experience and enjoying it so far but the in game pop-up ads are getting old already. We're not going to spend a dime on it. Just enjoy what we can and move on. Thanks for making this. It helps me to understand what all we can do as F2P.
What doesn't help when it comes down to this game is the lack of guidance, yes as sweat said guardian ranks do provide some guidance but there really does need to be a proper new light experience. And the other issue is the pricing for DLCs, shouldn't have to paying up of 40-50 quid (depending on country of course) to buy old content
@@crossdaboss8914 true, but that's when it's on deal. When it isn't then it's barely worth it. I'd say it would be worth it if they kept seasonal content in the game
@@crossdaboss8914 agreed. I just feel like the amount we pay for a DLC is far too high with what we get from it. If we are gonna pay up of 80 quid or whatever that is in dollars for a DLC then you'd expect it to be big. An example obviously being forsaken or taken king. Big DLCs, worth every penny. DCV really has fucked things up
Destiny 2’s free-to-play issue is the confusion. It’s not clear what you need to do to progress, nor does it fully explain the power system and why you’re locked out of some activities. There’s also bugs, and weird things like free-to-play raids require email verification. The things you can get are great and once you have a clear understanding of the system it can be fun
Watching this is even funnier for me because i am helping someone go through the new light experience currently and when i heard they threw them into lightfall so quick i was like what?! Bungie please make this game ACTUALLY accessible for new players...
I rejoined on PC after not playing since 2020. I had bought Beyond Light and Game Pass on XBOX had given me a couple other expansions. Now since I got on PC I'd have to buy over $120 of DLC to get all the content back that I used to play. Then there's Eververse, then there's other seasons you can buy, AND a battle pass! And Synthweave, to put some salt in the wound. And I actually felt my blood pressure rise when I saw that a single dungeon key is $20... but wait, you could just buy the *$100* edition of Lightfall where it's included :^) This has to be the most expensive game in existence, in terms of how much you need to pay to basically have any access to the story or endgame. And before the endgame, there is very little story and no direction. So once you finally figure out the game, you have to pay money to do anything else. Playing F2P now feels like I'm locked out of half the game. The least they could do is let people play through just the story missions of the DLCs. The game just dumps you into Lightfall without telling you anything, which is pretty hilarious until you try to get your friends into the game and they lose interest immediately.
After 8k hours I started a new f2p acccount. It was super interesting. It was fun caring about loot again, and I feel like between the two raids and dungeon, it’s a decent amount of stuff to play for free. Would be very confusing if I want a vet.
As someone that's tried to jump into D2 F2P a few times, I have no idea what's going on, bring black armory back that was fun and the weapons were cool.
I just came back after like 2 years of not playing. My friend wanted to play again and I said yes. The info dump is insane. I feel like I have to re learn the game completely. But so far I remember why I loved this game
their website for the current season not listing "getting bounties" for premium players is funny. i never knew about bounties being paywall gated during my time of playing this.
I wish they kept an option for year one stuff, like being able to start from back then instead of all this crap. Spending 200 bucks on a games dlc is outrageous
This is my favorite game right now. Admittingly, I never recommend people to play this game and for NONE of the reasons I've learned from this video. I just tell people that the grinding and acquisition of gear that helps you stay competitive to the game is a struggle but Sweat laid out a good foundational lineup of weapons that a new player can use and get far in using in PVE. The problem comes with how many paywalls there are, how frequent they seem to pop up, and just how picky Bungie is with locking people out of content. "You can play the strike in the strike playlist but you can't play it in the nightfall playlist," is crazy.
I was a f2p player from season of the Undying to season of the Haunted, with 3700 hours played. I can confidently say that, as far as the f2p experience goes, Destiny 2 is truly one of the games of all time.
@@avok2245I’ve been enjoying it thoroughly. I could care less about story and some of the meta weapons so I don’t mind just playing the game for what it is
WOAH THATS CRAZY, ITS LIKE THEY ARE A BUSINESS THAT HAS TO MAKE MONEY. it could be worse.. it could be a subscription based model like World of Warcraft, and if you dont pay your sub you cant even log into your high level characters.
I love these videos. Keep up the great work. I never got a chance to truly play d1 so watching these is so much fun. Would you ever try to post solo raid encounters?
I just tried this game cause I wanted a new shouter and it's absolutely bewildering. It's even more confusing than when I got back into Warframe after multiple years not playing.
I think as long as you have a bunch of friends then yeah the F2P is definitely worth it if your willing to put in the time. However as a solo, not so much. There are many other live service MMOs that give more content for free like Warframe and SWTOR.
@@SmogythoWarframe is free to play, it has crossplay, it is widely played, it has several updates, a lot of content and replayability, and practically everything in the game is free, if you want to put money into it, there are packages that come with Warframes and premium currency of the game, you can still get it for free, as far as I understand
This, this right here is what I’ve been experiencing for years since shadowkeep released. Even after getting the 30th anniversary for free from epic and later getting beyond light on sale purely to get the subclass, there’s still tons of content, armor and weapons that I wish to get locked behind over $80 usd worth of dlc (not including season passes)
Love the vid! BTW i spent 700+hours in this game without buying any of the DLCs but this winter i bought every DLC except Lightfall and now i don t have the passion to play the game like i had before.
I used to play f2p back in Arrivals, where on playstation you also need ps plus to play activities with matchmaking and you can't play with friends without it too. Thank god destiny's gameplay is fun otherwise i would not have stuck around
I remember playing this on my brother's Xbox when it came out in 2017. Never figured out where I was supposed to go, and basically made a home base in a ruined city area with a church in the middle. Not even sure if that was the starting area, but it was fun playing back then. I recently thought about buying it for myself and actually learning the game. Now I'm just disappointed something so good can fall so far
Yeah I got this game when it first came out when it wasn’t free, you didn’t need dlc to have fun, but the dlc was worth it. And yes your talking about the Edz, I loved going there and I used to farm engrams there. Also the old home base wasn’t at the tower or I forgot what it was it was called. It was like in a farm area. I miss when the game was like that. You were able to figure out where to go also. Every game that becomes free isn’t even really free anymore you need to buy every dlc in this game in order to unlock the full game. The problem is the put out half ass dlc quests that give good weapons u can complete within a week and battle pass made it even worse considering you can’t even certain stuff or do certain things
I remember when the Edz was the demo for this game and I just roamed for hours shooting guys. Knowing that I don’t mind all this content we get as f2p characters
@@ritzboo9490 when this game wasn’t f2p is when it was good u didn’t need dlc to have fun. Now you need to pour 220$ into your account to do everything and you still need to pay 20$ for dungeon keys. And now you have to pay 10$ every season too to even acces certain things. And that’s coming from me. Someone who has spent 220$
i think i may have an idea for a fix for the quests: have one big main quest that is easily identifiable on either the quest screen or the main director, sorta like a campaign type quest, and have all the important quests given to a new player included in this quest.
I wouldnt say it is... because after sunsetting, most of the free content that would be worth playing has been removed, sure nightfalls are fun, but they do get boring if it's all of the endgame you can really do... raids aren't really fun nor viable without paid items.
honestly the only reason I don't play D2 is because the old content isn't playable (Red war, Curse Of Osiris, Warmind and Forsaken) and sure they may not all be good but I still would like the option to play them.
My older brother started playing a couple months ago and he has been struggling to understand all the new new light stuff. I have had to help talk him through a lot of the things Bungie doesn’t good job explaining (or doesn’t at all).
I played destiny free 2 play as a new player and abandoned it after about 10 hrs of playing, because I didn't know which quests I can do without paying and how I get better gear and weapons.
As a new player who is sticking it out because I’m confident I will EVENTUALLY understand the game, it is the hardest game to understand for a new player by far. On just about every menu, I have no fucking clue what I’m looking at or what anything means.
Love this game but holy shit I’ve been trying to teach it to a couple friends and this game is the most anti new player game I’ve ever played. I genuinely don’t know how as a solo player I thugged it out this whole time. Bungos rly gotta make the new light experience more engaging and more straight forward bc how do they expect any new player to really understand how the game works.
I used to play D1. For the first year and a half it was SUPER popular. It's sad to see just how much this game has changed. Especially because me and my clan were in the top 5% worldwide. I fought Professor Broman and Miss5000Wattz (they're super cool people) as well as the #1 player in the world at the time. (He moped the floor with us). Does anybody still play raids and nightfalls anymore or is the game dead?
Btw Season of the Deep made it wayyyyy worse. You need to buy the battle pass to get guardian rank 6 now so you cannot even level up armor as F2P XD. Game just became literally unplayable. So glad I have been rank 6 before so I already unlocked armor leveling.
What's getting even more frustrating is the Dungeon Keys.. I have friends who have WQ and STILL can't play either dungeon without paying more money.... Actually cring and scammy and just such a bad way to make the game.... I remember starting out f2p there was SO MUCH CONTENT around Shadowkeep for free players and now there's core activities, prophecy, and dares. *sigh.*
this is why it is so hard to get new players on the game. You have to buy DLC and they do a terrible job explaining to new players how the game works. Almost every time i’ve tried getting my friends to play the game they always complain about being confused
Ur friends were all endgame players, tell me how would a new light get people together to do master? It's just that I doubt someone would try to even have a new light in their fireteam that is under light for master, sometimes even for normal. The interesting thing is that mostly if someone fails too much, there are players that take it to heart and instantly leave because they think ur bad or just a noob to even attempt it as a new light. (I'm end game myself)
I started played Destiny 2 on April 10th, 2023 because friends asked me to play. I bought the Lightfall annual pass off rip, and completed my first GM less than a month later on May 8th. So there are atleast SOME New Lights doing end-endgame content. Got 2 characters to 1810, and completed my first RoN run before the GM! RoN is what actually got me really interested in endgame stuff, it's a really pretty looking raid. Currently me and lads are spam farming MasterGrasp of Avarice for artiface armor, trying to go for double 100 stand/potentially triple 100 void Being a new light is overwhelming, but thankfully my friends explained everything I needed to know when Bungo doesn't. One of the biggest examples I can think of is Stats? I really dont remember a pop-up talking about your character stats, or how important they are now. Once my friends explained THAT part to me, and how I should always aim for 100 Resilience + 1 other 100 stat, things started making more sense/becoming easier!
I'm a casual player but not fully free to play since I bought Shadow and the previous DLC's. Honestly, the game is much more enjoyable for me to play now than it ever was before.
The removal of red war is what really killed the f2p experience tbh, it was so much easier to get into the game because there was an actual story and you learnt as you played. But with the random removal of the important planets I don’t see them bringing it back ever, unless after beating the witness everything magically gets restored.
9:50 should be a train safety awareness ad. Just like a kid whose ball rolled into the road, he just walked to it without a card in the world. Didn’t even stop, look and listen
I still remember what went through my head as a new light when not doing obj. I saw something and was like WOAAAH! Then saw something else and was like WOAAAAAAAH!!! Then I cast my super and was like WOAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! Then I kill a powerful enemy and was like WOAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! Then I found good loot and was like WOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!
You know if Bungie didnt remove like 80% of the content that should be in this game and still be playable today they could just make it so that all the old DLCs and content is actually in the game and for F2P players to be able to play. Like Imagine how Bungie would be praised if they let people play the game up to the current DLC experience everything older players experienced but at this point Bungie is on par or even worse than Activision Blizzard/EA
I’ve been playing since 2018 free to play and it been rough trying to play and get better and better and it’s been really tough since then I’ve been looking at getting forsaken I really don’t know though
Dude it sucked when I bought the annual pass and it got vaulted I used to get beautiful guns, dope shaders, an intriguing story, and Most Importantly The Hammerhead Now all I get out of it is A one shot sword sniper A bow with a poison tipped arrow A tesla coil launcher A slightly fast sparrow And a Toast of Doom The most sad part is that I didn't know what Vaulting was and did the unspeakable I dismantled My Hammerhead With rampage Zen moment And it's momento Needless to say my soul was shattered and most of the pieces fell through the cracks in the ground
Or the right subclass its frustrating I don't want to be the one always dealing with champs. Over half of D2 players are Fn lazy and it shows on load outs. I check their loads before we land and if they dont have the right stuff on I bounce I don't want to babysit people who don't want to pull their own weight. Yesterday I spent 2 hours loading up knightfalls and in those 2 hours I can count on 1 hand how many had the right stuff on. Its getting bout time I let this game go but I have spent to much money to do that I feel forced to play it now.
@@lonewolf3869 Why bother running nightfalls if you dont even try to bring the correct stuff for it. If you dont bring anything to fight against barriers, atleast bring stasis or strand. Not even that most people do
This game truly makes me sad. Is the best FPS I've ever played and also falls onto my other favorite genre, MMO. I played it when it came out and everything about it was amazing, but left as i was a solo player and guilds, lfr or stuff like that didnt exist. I came back on the light expansion (dont remember the precise name) and was lost as fck. Tons of pop ups, content unclear. After a figured out what was new, i end up in the same position as before, no progression for solo players. Truly saddens me. I hope one day this game takes idea from other MMOs out there
Hey guys! Sorry for the lack of uploads, this one took me over a month to do and the next one I’m uploading took over 2 months! Hoping to be back to more frequent uploads soon ❤️
Your good we appreciate your content no matter the time it takes
All good sweat, always love your content 🫶
All good, any chance there will be a guardian games money spending spree soon?
Love content
And lack of thumbnails?
Imagine if they actually taught players how the game works instead of pushing dlc
Honestly I’m just tired of the complaining. I hate this game but it’s so annoying just listening to people bitch about literally everythingggg
@@ethanhensley9355 if bungie didn’t make terrible decisions we as the player base wouldn’t be complaining
Skill issue
@@MasterRyuuji on bungies end? Yeah
They do, most ppl just don't read it
Short Answer, NO
Yeah lol 😅
True answer
Amazing, just summed up an entire video in 1 word. Bless my soul
Glad the obligatory "No" comment for these videos are still going, not happy that it still is not worth it
I’ve always said D2 is a free to TRY game not free to play, kinda like a extended demo
I do feel bad for f2p players being locked out/time gated on basic activities. They should consider a legacy nightfall list, with only the lowest option difficulty being available while keeping the seasonal GM list. This would let f2p do nightfalls without waiting for a non dlc strike.
the first thing they need to do is make forsaken part of the f2p...especially given like half the dlc doesn't exist anymore
@@jasonmiller2379 true, content that is over a year or 2 old needs to just come forward. Especially when its locking key locations and functions to the game/story like the additional supers for light classes. (I don't recall if they did unlock them or not after 3.0 for everyone or not)
It’s a living hell for me and other free to play players I have to grind to much just to get to the max level for each season and by the time I finish it its the end of season
@@swalke6861 Fortunately they aren't increasing the power level anymore outside of large expansions. Even as someone that plays pretty frequently and actually pays for the seasons the grind for power was always the biggest pain point.
They should just make Forsaken and Shadowkeep fully F2P lol. There is no reason to money gate thhem anymore.
Hot take, red war was and always will be a better new light experience than what we've had since beyond light (especially the halo 3 forge mission lol)
Thats not a hot take its truth
cold take
@@dRac_XII I keep getting shit from people when I say it but huh suppose others agree with me lol
They should've left things alone and went to d3 after forsaken
Red war is easily my favorite campaign in destiny
@@mindblown1554 well at least we all enjoy looking back on it
I feel like they should have an hour long tutorial on the game, there’s so much stuff they need to learn so an hour to half an hour guide on it all with practice missions
This just made me think “what if we had a free to play new light campaign, but it also had the option for Legendary difficulty” but I don’t know what kind of incentive to do that would be besides bragging
@@TheKyleman6 the point of Legendary difficulty is not only "risk /reward", but also fun and enjoyment: some players simply don't want to play unless challenged, and because normal campaigns are usually mind numbing to say the least, a more difficult option is always useful to have, especially if done right (like the last 2 campaigns)
@@themaxpanteraschannel9459 true, I myself kinda like doing mind numbing stuff in this game sometimes (like going to low end patrols with random guns I like the look and feel of and just shooting shit) but I also sometimes like doing the Legendary Campaigns if only to say “I did it on all 3 of my classes” but it’s also frustrating sometimes with the difficulty (I took 1-2 missions a day when I did WQ Legendary on a pre-nerfed HOIL Arc Titan, while I did it on a Assassin Arc Hunter in one whole day, with only Savathun giving me trouble)
I mean just bring back red war and that's the entire introduction taken care of
@@TimecraftGamingSjors honestly kinda true. They'd definitely need to fix some parts of it, but the red war coming back would be pretty cool. And I'd actually pay a small fortune for a legendary forsaken campaign.
If the DLC's were $10 sales would go through the roof but paying $50 for a dlc of a game that has been out for 5-6 years is heinous
I'm on xbox so I used cd keys to get lower prices
They were on sale a little while ago. Got caught up on everything plus TFS for less than $60
I hope they redesign this whole experience soon, every time I see new lights I do my best to help them because this game can be so fun but even I can admit it’s a nightmare trying to learn at this point
They will in season 23 apparently
@@Flukiest is there like an article or something?
@@dRac_XII It was from a leak posted in /r/gameleaks for s21-23
@@Flukiest how are they gonna help exactly?
I want to play the game but i don't want to spend a lot of money on DLCs
Risk/Reward is in the Cosmodrome because the quest came out and took you to the Cosmodrome before the Cosmodrome came back as a patrol zone, so they placed it on the EDZ (the only earth patrol zone at the time). When the quest released it was like a nostalgic throwback to D1. The Cosmodrome came back though so it doesn't make much sense for it to not be there but I figure they probably just never found a real reason to move the node.
When he mentioned, "forever gated at level 6" , felt this in my bones. Been f2playing for the past 1500++ hours, and often look up to others in admiration for their accomplishments in those quests that I can't access. But it's ok it's all good, and oh ,many thanks to y'all players for keeping the teamplayer spirit in strikes/ destiny runs making it a pleasant experience for everyone without judgement. Salute.
They should add this mission for starter players where the city and traveller are attacked. The gaurdian travels to the city and gets his light taken. The player then makes his way to a village and goes through other mission to get their light back and take out the enemy that attacked the city and traveller.
sooo the base campaign? lol
@@raijinlmfaowoooosh
@@raijinlmfaothe red war isn't in the game anymore
This really puts it into perspective how greedy the game creators really are
A dlc with battle pass with the same price of a new game collectors edition confirmed it long ago.
Bungie are greedy af
And you guys keep giving them money like sheeps so dont cry foul.
“OMG YOUVE WON THE ABILITY TO GIVE US MONEYYY” 💀💀💀 im dead
I think that Sweat summed it up pretty well. It’s half and half. Free to play is not as bad as people make it out to be, and it is certainly WAY better than it was when I first was a f2p gamer. There’s a lot of content to do (Even some endgame content which is unfortunately locked behind time gates) and unlike the past year or so, Bungie is starting to give new lights direction on what to do next. Is free to play better than buying dlc? No. Are you missing out on a lot of stuff if you don’t pay for content? Yes. However, I truly believe now more than before that you *can* get by in this game as a free to play gamer and still have a good time, but you need friends, which paying for stuff in the game won’t really help you in that department.
And the pop ups asking to buy makes this feel like a mobile game lmao, almost every vendor has something that tells you you need a dlc first to purchase one of the items. Kinda feels like if a f2p sees those pop ups they would feel pressured to to purchase the dlc with so many things locked behind them
It's not fun enough to warrant playing f2p and the community (at least on console) is full of impatient douchebags who don't help new players understand mechanics or anything else. The only situation it's a viable game to play is if you have friends on it at all times. Otherwise you're just wasting your own time for fun.
Free to play is still so much worse than it used to be before the content vault though. you had a full campaign to do, and multiple activities, but now you just have a few small activities from various dlcs and the game asking you to spend money every 3 minutes.
Edit: just remembered the game wasn't free to play at the time, but I'd still rather pay money for a game with actual content than play a game labeled as "free to play" that bombards you with dlc advertisements.
Actually LFG is impossible since nobody likes f2p players, plus the pvp is completely p2w
A friend and I got back into Destiny with Lightfall since basically beyond light (I played a little here and there) and since then a few other friends have each tried out playing it at different interest levels and it felt like with each person you have to explain so much just to like get off to the right start and its honestly overwhelming at the beginning.
Maybe shadow keep should be redone into a new light campaign. It’s 4 years old at this point and if won’t be sunset make it useful for new players it gives them a story to latch onto and play through, it would also give them more weapons to use and options to level up as well. Also let people just play the strikes/nightfall I could almost guarantee no new player is gonna wait weeks for a nightfall they’ll see buy this dlc and probably opt out
Honestly at this point shadowkeep needs to be the redwar of D2 at this point since that’s when they specifically stated it’s our first encounter with the pyramid and the witness leading us to this dark age. Would make sense instead of this watered down version of d1 s opening
At this point these videos are more like “how bad is the new light experience in x time”
How much worse has it gotten really
The fact that they put 2/3 of the nightfalls behind a paywall is criminal
As someone who played Destiny way back in the day and JUST got Destiny 2 like four days ago, the info dumping and 1,000 menu screens are making me feel elderly.
That being said, I’m LOVING it
I played D1 for the entirety of its lifespan. Played D2 religiously for a year and then on and off for the rest. I jumped on the other day just to relive the glory days and I was so overwhelmed. I've never been so turned away from a game. Can't imagine what it would be like for a new player.
I played D1 & 2 religiously for years when they first came out, and came back for Forsaken when I switched to PC - it's honestly sad to see how gated the game is now, especially for new players and unless I'm misreading the editing there doesn't seem to be all the legacy stories/strikes/raids etc. The fact it took months to hit 1800 with a good understanding of the game is absolutely insane to me and even though I own a fair few DLC packs, it still makes me want to avoid the game for now
Got my friends to try D2 again and since they had played for like 2 days when D2 first went free years ago they started at rank 6 and got thrown into lightfalls first mission immediately and had no idea what was happening.
Great video! Just coming back to the game after not playing it since the 1st expansion.
It's crazy to see how far the monetization has tilted to the extreme.
I am only playing it cause my Nephew was interested in it. We're doing the F2P experience and enjoying it so far but the in game pop-up ads are getting old already.
We're not going to spend a dime on it. Just enjoy what we can and move on.
Thanks for making this. It helps me to understand what all we can do as F2P.
Cool video idea would be to make another character but with all the dlc and see how much easier and faster this game is.
What doesn't help when it comes down to this game is the lack of guidance, yes as sweat said guardian ranks do provide some guidance but there really does need to be a proper new light experience. And the other issue is the pricing for DLCs, shouldn't have to paying up of 40-50 quid (depending on country of course) to buy old content
It's not to bad if you wait on a sale cause you can get shadowkeep beyond light and witch queen for 30 when on sale os actually a pretty good deal
@@crossdaboss8914 true, but that's when it's on deal. When it isn't then it's barely worth it. I'd say it would be worth it if they kept seasonal content in the game
@@jakes2206 100% agree least the story important seasonal stuff cause getting a new player caught up is a nightmare in this game
@@crossdaboss8914 agreed. I just feel like the amount we pay for a DLC is far too high with what we get from it. If we are gonna pay up of 80 quid or whatever that is in dollars for a DLC then you'd expect it to be big. An example obviously being forsaken or taken king. Big DLCs, worth every penny. DCV really has fucked things up
Destiny 2’s free-to-play issue is the confusion. It’s not clear what you need to do to progress, nor does it fully explain the power system and why you’re locked out of some activities. There’s also bugs, and weird things like free-to-play raids require email verification.
The things you can get are great and once you have a clear understanding of the system it can be fun
Watching this is even funnier for me because i am helping someone go through the new light experience currently and when i heard they threw them into lightfall so quick i was like what?!
Bungie please make this game ACTUALLY accessible for new players...
I rejoined on PC after not playing since 2020. I had bought Beyond Light and Game Pass on XBOX had given me a couple other expansions. Now since I got on PC I'd have to buy over $120 of DLC to get all the content back that I used to play. Then there's Eververse, then there's other seasons you can buy, AND a battle pass! And Synthweave, to put some salt in the wound. And I actually felt my blood pressure rise when I saw that a single dungeon key is $20... but wait, you could just buy the *$100* edition of Lightfall where it's included :^)
This has to be the most expensive game in existence, in terms of how much you need to pay to basically have any access to the story or endgame. And before the endgame, there is very little story and no direction. So once you finally figure out the game, you have to pay money to do anything else. Playing F2P now feels like I'm locked out of half the game.
The least they could do is let people play through just the story missions of the DLCs. The game just dumps you into Lightfall without telling you anything, which is pretty hilarious until you try to get your friends into the game and they lose interest immediately.
After 8k hours I started a new f2p acccount. It was super interesting. It was fun caring about loot again, and I feel like between the two raids and dungeon, it’s a decent amount of stuff to play for free. Would be very confusing if I want a vet.
As someone that's tried to jump into D2 F2P a few times, I have no idea what's going on, bring black armory back that was fun and the weapons were cool.
Amanda Holiday's character progression will blow you away.
I just came back after like 2 years of not playing. My friend wanted to play again and I said yes.
The info dump is insane. I feel like I have to re learn the game completely. But so far I remember why I loved this game
their website for the current season not listing "getting bounties" for premium players is funny. i never knew about bounties being paywall gated during my time of playing this.
I wish they kept an option for year one stuff, like being able to start from back then instead of all this crap. Spending 200 bucks on a games dlc is outrageous
"Best played with friend"....Yeah ...friends that play Destiny still... guys..**Tumbleweed Rolls By** -A solo player 😢
Just keep on replaying till the friends drop drops
This is my favorite game right now. Admittingly, I never recommend people to play this game and for NONE of the reasons I've learned from this video. I just tell people that the grinding and acquisition of gear that helps you stay competitive to the game is a struggle but Sweat laid out a good foundational lineup of weapons that a new player can use and get far in using in PVE.
The problem comes with how many paywalls there are, how frequent they seem to pop up, and just how picky Bungie is with locking people out of content. "You can play the strike in the strike playlist but you can't play it in the nightfall playlist," is crazy.
I was a f2p player from season of the Undying to season of the Haunted, with 3700 hours played. I can confidently say that, as far as the f2p experience goes, Destiny 2 is truly one of the games of all time.
so is it even worth it to play it f2p?
NO
@@avok2245 absolutely No
@@avok2245I’ve been enjoying it thoroughly. I could care less about story and some of the meta weapons so I don’t mind just playing the game for what it is
WOAH THATS CRAZY, ITS LIKE THEY ARE A BUSINESS THAT HAS TO MAKE MONEY.
it could be worse.. it could be a subscription based model like World of Warcraft, and if you dont pay your sub you cant even log into your high level characters.
I love these videos. Keep up the great work. I never got a chance to truly play d1 so watching these is so much fun. Would you ever try to post solo raid encounters?
Just wack in the disc. Easy
I just tried this game cause I wanted a new shouter and it's absolutely bewildering. It's even more confusing than when I got back into Warframe after multiple years not playing.
I think as long as you have a bunch of friends then yeah the F2P is definitely worth it if your willing to put in the time. However as a solo, not so much. There are many other live service MMOs that give more content for free like Warframe and SWTOR.
Which one on console? If im willing to spend 100$ max
@@SmogythoWarframe is free to play, it has crossplay, it is widely played, it has several updates, a lot of content and replayability, and practically everything in the game is free, if you want to put money into it, there are packages that come with Warframes and premium currency of the game, you can still get it for free, as far as I understand
This, this right here is what I’ve been experiencing for years since shadowkeep released. Even after getting the 30th anniversary for free from epic and later getting beyond light on sale purely to get the subclass, there’s still tons of content, armor and weapons that I wish to get locked behind over $80 usd worth of dlc (not including season passes)
11:21
The distant ding sound killed me lmao
Love the vid! BTW i spent 700+hours in this game without buying any of the DLCs but this winter i bought every DLC except Lightfall and now i don t have the passion to play the game like i had before.
Ngl, after this Sweat should try the Warframe f2p experience to compare the two.
I wish I had friends who played Destiny
F2P here, leave your steam name and lets play!
I used to play f2p back in Arrivals, where on playstation you also need ps plus to play activities with matchmaking and you can't play with friends without it too. Thank god destiny's gameplay is fun otherwise i would not have stuck around
1:32 The first part shows that bungie don't really care about new players 😅
D2 is the reason i started to play D1 again.
Dev1: we need a target practice section for new lights. Let's make something that goes side to side
Dev2: let's rip the pillars from Pit of Heresy.
they need to make shadowkeep free to make newer players more convinced to buy the other dlcs instead of being in the dark about what they are like
really hope bungie watches this video it's such a great way for them to see the new player experience
i'm pretty sure the xur engram is guaranteed to give you a weapon of the ones it can give you if you don't have all the ones you can get yet.
I wish I had a dollar for every time Sweat said "JUICE" I'd quit my job man
I remember playing this on my brother's Xbox when it came out in 2017. Never figured out where I was supposed to go, and basically made a home base in a ruined city area with a church in the middle. Not even sure if that was the starting area, but it was fun playing back then. I recently thought about buying it for myself and actually learning the game. Now I'm just disappointed something so good can fall so far
Yeah I got this game when it first came out when it wasn’t free, you didn’t need dlc to have fun, but the dlc was worth it. And yes your talking about the Edz, I loved going there and I used to farm engrams there. Also the old home base wasn’t at the tower or I forgot what it was it was called. It was like in a farm area. I miss when the game was like that. You were able to figure out where to go also. Every game that becomes free isn’t even really free anymore you need to buy every dlc in this game in order to unlock the full game. The problem is the put out half ass dlc quests that give good weapons u can complete within a week and battle pass made it even worse considering you can’t even certain stuff or do certain things
I remember when the Edz was the demo for this game and I just roamed for hours shooting guys. Knowing that I don’t mind all this content we get as f2p characters
@@ritzboo9490 when this game wasn’t f2p is when it was good u didn’t need dlc to have fun. Now you need to pour 220$ into your account to do everything and you still need to pay 20$ for dungeon keys. And now you have to pay 10$ every season too to even acces certain things. And that’s coming from me. Someone who has spent 220$
Love these types of videos! ❤
Me having a high light level. *quits for a few months* comes back. *realizes it’s now the starting light level*
hi this video is good
i think i may have an idea for a fix for the quests: have one big main quest that is easily identifiable on either the quest screen or the main director, sorta like a campaign type quest, and have all the important quests given to a new player included in this quest.
This is what got me to get back into D2, now I’m currently contemplating if I should solo warlords ruin
I wouldnt say it is... because after sunsetting, most of the free content that would be worth playing has been removed, sure nightfalls are fun, but they do get boring if it's all of the endgame you can really do... raids aren't really fun nor viable without paid items.
the most fun for me is titan and mars like playing the public event
As someone who was a free to play player until last year, I literally only did altar of sorrows on the moon all day or pvp
The end “better to play with friends”
Me the first 4ish years playing: “what are friends?”
honestly the only reason I don't play D2 is because the old content isn't playable (Red war, Curse Of Osiris, Warmind and Forsaken)
and sure they may not all be good but I still would like the option to play them.
My older brother started playing a couple months ago and he has been struggling to understand all the new new light stuff. I have had to help talk him through a lot of the things Bungie doesn’t good job explaining (or doesn’t at all).
I played destiny free 2 play as a new player and abandoned it after about 10 hrs of playing, because I didn't know which quests I can do without paying and how I get better gear and weapons.
As a new player who is sticking it out because I’m confident I will EVENTUALLY understand the game, it is the hardest game to understand for a new player by far. On just about every menu, I have no fucking clue what I’m looking at or what anything means.
Same its painful
its rough, just starting a campaign can be confusing lmao, I thought i beat beyond light's dlc, never did, haha
Love this game but holy shit I’ve been trying to teach it to a couple friends and this game is the most anti new player game I’ve ever played. I genuinely don’t know how as a solo player I thugged it out this whole time. Bungos rly gotta make the new light experience more engaging and more straight forward bc how do they expect any new player to really understand how the game works.
Im new to the game and as a f2p players there are alot of things that i missed up on + the amount of grinding that i need to do.
I tried f2p 2 years ago I recommend buying in this order
1. Forsaken, shadowkeep, beyond light
2. Which queen
3.light fall
4. 30th anniversary
They have a whole bundle now with forsaken pack, shadowkeep, beyond light and witch queen.
@@jjnet123 that’s why I put them on the same point
@@drnova5892 you had witch queen on point 2 so I wasn't sure 😅
as a free to play player, i haven't paid a thing for the 2 or 3 years i've been playing and honestly, i survived, so ig anyone can do it too
They need to do more of a warframe model, they definintly make more then enough off of cosmetics to not have to make us pay for dlc
Regular Tormentors can be CC'd if some didn't know. Looked like he had a blind effect on him and that's probably why he wasn't chasing you.
Biggest thing is the soft lock to journey level. No way to get those mods
I used to play D1. For the first year and a half it was SUPER popular. It's sad to see just how much this game has changed. Especially because me and my clan were in the top 5% worldwide. I fought Professor Broman and Miss5000Wattz (they're super cool people) as well as the #1 player in the world at the time. (He moped the floor with us). Does anybody still play raids and nightfalls anymore or is the game dead?
Btw Season of the Deep made it wayyyyy worse. You need to buy the battle pass to get guardian rank 6 now so you cannot even level up armor as F2P XD. Game just became literally unplayable. So glad I have been rank 6 before so I already unlocked armor leveling.
As a f2p there’s so much shit that don’t need to be put behind a pay wall
What's getting even more frustrating is the Dungeon Keys.. I have friends who have WQ and STILL can't play either dungeon without paying more money.... Actually cring and scammy and just such a bad way to make the game.... I remember starting out f2p there was SO MUCH CONTENT around Shadowkeep for free players and now there's core activities, prophecy, and dares.
*sigh.*
this is why it is so hard to get new players on the game. You have to buy DLC and they do a terrible job explaining to new players how the game works. Almost every time i’ve tried getting my friends to play the game they always complain about being confused
Forsaken should 100% be free since half of it is in the game now, not to mention the raid is peak destiny
Even if you have all the dlcs you still need the season pass. Or else every single barrier champ will destroy you
this video helped me after 200 hours i didnt knew that shader pack existed
Ur friends were all endgame players, tell me how would a new light get people together to do master?
It's just that I doubt someone would try to even have a new light in their fireteam that is under light for master, sometimes even for normal.
The interesting thing is that mostly if someone fails too much, there are players that take it to heart and instantly leave because they think ur bad or just a noob to even attempt it as a new light.
(I'm end game myself)
I started played Destiny 2 on April 10th, 2023 because friends asked me to play. I bought the Lightfall annual pass off rip, and completed my first GM less than a month later on May 8th. So there are atleast SOME New Lights doing end-endgame content. Got 2 characters to 1810, and completed my first RoN run before the GM! RoN is what actually got me really interested in endgame stuff, it's a really pretty looking raid. Currently me and lads are spam farming MasterGrasp of Avarice for artiface armor, trying to go for double 100 stand/potentially triple 100 void
Being a new light is overwhelming, but thankfully my friends explained everything I needed to know when Bungo doesn't. One of the biggest examples I can think of is Stats? I really dont remember a pop-up talking about your character stats, or how important they are now. Once my friends explained THAT part to me, and how I should always aim for 100 Resilience + 1 other 100 stat, things started making more sense/becoming easier!
I'm a casual player but not fully free to play since I bought Shadow and the previous DLC's. Honestly, the game is much more enjoyable for me to play now than it ever was before.
Now try a free to play player who goes on console without network. Try it 😊
The removal of red war is what really killed the f2p experience tbh, it was so much easier to get into the game because there was an actual story and you learnt as you played. But with the random removal of the important planets I don’t see them bringing it back ever, unless after beating the witness everything magically gets restored.
9:50 should be a train safety awareness ad. Just like a kid whose ball rolled into the road, he just walked to it without a card in the world. Didn’t even stop, look and listen
I still remember what went through my head as a new light when not doing obj.
I saw something and was like WOAAAH!
Then saw something else and was like WOAAAAAAAH!!!
Then I cast my super and was like WOAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
Then I kill a powerful enemy and was like WOAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
Then I found good loot and was like WOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!
Stwninja is one of my best friends I’ve known the guy for years and carried him through his first raid a couple weeks ago
As someone who just tried playing yesterday, I think I will find a different game lmao, had to be there I guess.
You know if Bungie didnt remove like 80% of the content that should be in this game and still be playable today they could just make it so that all the old DLCs and content is actually in the game and for F2P players to be able to play.
Like Imagine how Bungie would be praised if they let people play the game up to the current DLC experience everything older players experienced but at this point Bungie is on par or even worse than Activision Blizzard/EA
As someone who is f2p I enjoy pvp... It's all I do besides weekly kings fall for touch.
I enjoy crucible because it’s similar to halo but on PlayStation
This video switched from a challenge run to just a normal run halfway through
It's fun for the first few hours but it gets draining fast especially since there is no campaign to just have fun with and yes I still mis Red War
I’ve been playing since 2018 free to play and it been rough trying to play and get better and better and it’s been really tough since then I’ve been looking at getting forsaken I really don’t know though
Dude it sucked when I bought the annual pass and it got vaulted
I used to get beautiful guns, dope shaders, an intriguing story, and Most Importantly The Hammerhead
Now all I get out of it is
A one shot sword sniper
A bow with a poison tipped arrow
A tesla coil launcher
A slightly fast sparrow
And a Toast of Doom
The most sad part is that I didn't know what Vaulting was and did the unspeakable
I dismantled
My
Hammerhead
With rampage
Zen moment
And it's momento
Needless to say my soul was shattered and most of the pieces fell through the cracks in the ground
the amount of people that dont bring any anti-champ stuff to Nightfalls i had to witness. Its just confusing
Or the right subclass its frustrating I don't want to be the one always dealing with champs. Over half of D2 players are Fn lazy and it shows on load outs. I check their loads before we land and if they dont have the right stuff on I bounce I don't want to babysit people who don't want to pull their own weight. Yesterday I spent 2 hours loading up knightfalls and in those 2 hours I can count on 1 hand how many had the right stuff on. Its getting bout time I let this game go but I have spent to much money to do that I feel forced to play it now.
@@lonewolf3869 Why bother running nightfalls if you dont even try to bring the correct stuff for it. If you dont bring anything to fight against barriers, atleast bring stasis or strand. Not even that most people do
FYI, a heroic public event nets you 10k glimmer
This game truly makes me sad. Is the best FPS I've ever played and also falls onto my other favorite genre, MMO.
I played it when it came out and everything about it was amazing, but left as i was a solo player and guilds, lfr or stuff like that didnt exist. I came back on the light expansion (dont remember the precise name) and was lost as fck. Tons of pop ups, content unclear. After a figured out what was new, i end up in the same position as before, no progression for solo players. Truly saddens me. I hope one day this game takes idea from other MMOs out there