As a former Tahoe and Yukon owner, and current Kia Sedona owner, minivans are the clear better choice once you stop caring what random people at stoplights think about you as long as you do not tow 5,000+ lbs on a regular basis. Interior's are so much more functional and minivans cost tens of thousands less. Minivans should sell more than what they do and maybe they will when people realize the fact that they are easily the best family haulers.
I just wish the Sedona also came with the AWD feature too. That would make it the perfect minivan in my opinion. I think its the sexier, more sporty looking minivan of all.
Exactly. My mom has a 2005 sienna. To this day it’s a very comfortable ride with lots of features, it can haul 7 people easily, and is very reliable. Minivans are awesome.
Interesting point of view. I personally think my Suburban is the perfect car, but thats for my life. Everyone is different. We tow a camper and boat regularly, so it makes sense for us. Which body styles did you have?
Well said, i was thinking about buying a tahoe to haul the mustang to the track once in a while but i think i just rather buy a truck since the oddyssey i have can be beat in comfort
@@jackpez Sienna has ECVT. CVT is belt (prone to slippage). ECVT is more like a regular auto (planetary gears). like comparing email/mail - big difference
My buddy has the Honda. It messes with your senses because of how fast and sporty it feels. That vtech engine with the paddle shifters can really get going. Even with it loaded.
@@taylorwatson7932 that's not what i meant... I was talking the way you put the car into drive. In the new Sienna, you grab the shifter and move it. In the Honda Odyssey you push a button that says D on it. In the Chrysler Pacifica, you turn a dial to put the car in drive.
@@DK-bm5rg if you are really worried about electronics failure that can hinder the car drivability, then you should be more worried about Sienna’s ECVT “transmission” vs Odyssey’s conventional 10speed AT that had been used successfully in the Honda Pilot. The buttons are a bit confusing at first. But after driving it for a couple times, you will get used to it. Same for the dial. I hate it on my rental SUV, at first, but got used to it very quickly. This should not be a deal breaker.
I just purchased my XSE 2 weeks ago, badass 20inch dark rims for a Mom-Mobile, lmao!!! Wife is traveling overseas so she doesn't know it (it's a surprise gift). I am going to pick her up at the airport with our new XSE :-).
Elevation and altitude really kill n/a cars. If they were in an area with less elevation you could probably expect times around 7-7.5 sec 0-60 wise. But honestly still impressive never the less for a mini van 🤣
I have a present 2018 Gen Honda Odyssey. They are great haulers! However, on where I live the gas prices are the most expensive in North America. Sienna will sell more by far with its Hybrid. Competition is good! I love it!
Also, how do they run after family and vacation gear are loaded up and then head for the mountains, like Skyline Drive in the Virginia Blue Ridge mountains ???
Weird. Long trip fuel economy is not that important, most people put way more miles every day. The Toyota mpg is amazing though at the cost of performance. It's crazy slow and I can't imagine how much worse it would be with towing something.
One offers a j series v6 that sounds great The other offers more luxury and more features Also TFL car, the hybrid battery is located under the front seats of the sienna hybrid Also ICYDK the reason the second row seats don’t come out of the sienna anymore is because they added airbags to the seats to improve safety scores
Good Video. I think the Honda Odyssey is the best minivan in the market. My mother had one that had 321,000 Miles on the original engine and transmission before the transmission went out. She Owned it 16years and drove it all over the us. Amazing vehicles.
The Toyota gauge cluster and infotainment system looks a generation behind the (older) Honda. The Honda will be more fun to drive and sound much better, but as a practical matter the huge efficiency boost for the Toyota will make it the better choice for many. While I would personally go with the Honda, it's ultimately good to have options.
The only drawback in the Odyssey is that it lacks AWD option. In Canada its a must have. I have seen too many FWD cars stuck in bad weather to not to have one 😐
Awd is more of an assist with acceleration, handling and braking is also important in snow and ice. Which makes fwd with snow tires better than just awd with all seasons.
@@aimxdy8680 shut up! You don't know what you're talking about. The handling difference is day and night between FWD and AWD. You would know if you've driven a AWD through a snow storm
I think Toyota will enjoy 1 year of ‘extra features’ over the Honda & then its over as the new next gen Odyssey comes out. Interesting that a 5 year old Honda out performers and would be the ‘pick’ except for new 2 features the Toyota has.
@@hondaguymontes8213 Not as reliable as Toyota in all honesty. Honda designed and built transmissions come to mind as a sore spot as well as many other questionable decisions.
@@stephanlevesque7632 correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Odyssey transmission issues were from the ZF-made 9-speed, while Honda's in-house 10-speed has been much more reliable.
@@TheBreakfastLover Honda history in general says the Transmissions have always been a thorn with higher than normal failures. The 10 speed is still pretty new for them. From several Van forums I am in, the odyssey transmission is the biggest complaint
I bought my Honda over a Sienna and I have zero regrets. yes I wish I got 30mpg instead of 22 but I was disappointed with the set up in the Toyota. Surprisingly I also just bought a Sonata over the Camry. I never thought after owning 2 Camrys I would end up with an Odyssey and a Sonata. The review is awesome, no bs, no sales pitch, just the facts. Thank you both.
Its a good thing you dont have to worry about drag racing or 0 to 60 in a mini van. Im sure fuel mileage and function is more important. Plus reliability
The Sienna would be a 10/10 if you could remove the second row. Still enough room to sleep but you lose a lot of cargo not being able to remove second row. Deal breaker for me.
Same here. I've had 3 Odys, just bought a 17 EX-L. You can't beat the cargo space. The money I'd save on gas with the Sienna would be replaced with the inconvenience of dragging my trailer around all the time. That's not worth it to me.
@@jay_321 The Odyssey's have gotten bumpier and bumpier over the years. The Gen 2 was almost completely flat, the Gen 3 has bumps caused by the rear bench hinges. The Gen 4 literally has a ledge and the Gen 5, besides the ledge with the rear bench stowed also has huge bumps when the 2nd row is removed. Start the video at 18:15 and continue until 18:45. You can see the drop off in the middle and the huge bumps left by the base of the middle rows.
If that's all it matters, I agree with you 100%. I Own an Acura RDX With the same 3.5 L Engine and I love it. But there's no denying everything else on that Sienna looks way better than in the Odyssey.
@Jonathan Losito you really haven't seen the 4 cylinder hybrid systems in the highlander that has been there since like the mid 2000's. They pretty much last for ages and rarely breakdown. Toyota really has reliability nailed down with their hybrids.
@@JmanSKokh Yes, toyota,s 4 cylinder hybrids are next level greatness. The 4 cylinder hybrid highlander is a marvel when it comes to reliability. Toyota knows their market. 6 cylinder engines with power and speed in the highlander and sienna? Nah? Those two vehicles are for soccer moms or suburban moms.
Economy yes, not so much in relaiblity, plus, i wouldnt want a 4 cylinder that takes ages to move either, sportiness on the odyssey makes it all the more better than a sienna that isnt able to move that fast on highway.... Struggling to get to 80 with the v4 lol.
Not many people will care about the 0-60 of their minivans, but I guarantee you people care about their ability to pass people on the highway during road trips. Should have done some 60-80 passing tests or something similar.
They failed to mention that the Sienna middle row is not removable which is a big oversight. I could not have moved my son to his dorm in one trip with the Sienna. The mileage is very impressive in the Toyota though. I would go with the Honda for the better driving dynamics, especially if you plan on long road trips and pay the extra for the gas : )
Why didnt you use "sport mode" (Sienna in the first race) ? Glad to know a 4 cyl can easily keep up with a 280hp v-6. Sienna's 50%++ better gas milage is just icing on the cake.
One they were on elevation, and it doesnet keep up at all. Your sienna is a whole second, if not more slower than the odyssey and this is at normal speeds. In the highway its gonna take ages just to pass someone. Good luck with that 4 cylinder!.
I have been waiting for a video that pits these two against each other. I really also want to see what the Kia will offer, the interior looks fantastic compared to these two. But a video that I had seen of the Sienna pretty much convinced me the Toyota would be difficult to beat. 35 MPG is seriously hard to overlook. I own an Odyssey and we are looking to replace it in a year or two. Thanks for the great review!
I tow a 3,000lb boat with my 2013 Odyssey. It tows it just fine, the V6 has plenty of power, and it has plenty of suspension to deal with it on the highway. My only limitation is FWD. I would really like the AWD in the Sienna, but a 4 cyl hybrid CVT on the boat ramp is a hard pass from me.
The Sienna has a 3,500 pound tow rating. Unlike the FWD Honda, AWD Sienna models have power going to the rear wheels which is EXACTLY what you want on a boat ramp.
@@rightlanehog3151 The odyssey has the same amount despite being fwd.... and has 40+ more horsepower which is more than enough for going high speeds. Honda also has significantly better driving dynamics.
@@rightlanehog3151 I think I could have fit a few 8x4 on my 2011 odyssey with the middle seats taken out, but because I knew I'd be cutting the 8x4 anyways, I had lowe's cut them to 4x4, and they fit in fine without middle seat removal.
@@fernandobarrios2596 Nobody loves to take a FULL sheet of plywood home from the lumber yard more than I do. As a kid in the 70s, I remember when our family station wagons carried full sheets with the second row folded down. Having said all that, Toyota made a decision on improved safety components over removable back seats which some people will not support. When it comes to moving plywood, lumber etc, I am much more concerned about the 3 ton, Crew Cab pickups with the 5 foot beds. My Pontiac Vibe can carry 8 foot 2X4s inside as well as 8 foot Plywood cut length wise. When I see a huge pickup with ordinary 2X4s dangling out the back of the bed I laugh scornfully.
@@andybub45 Sure you can. All Odyssey's going back to the Gen 2 and right up to the current years can hold full 4 x 8 sheet goods. It's tight and they need to be angled in and then laid flat, but they fit. You lose that in the new Sienna's because you can't remove the center seats. The main reason I still drive an Odyssey (just bought my 3rd, a 2017 EX-L) is because of the hauling space. I don't even have kids living at home anymore, but I do a lot of woodworking and home renovation projects. I can carry more in my Ody than my neighbor can in his...wait for it...Tahoe. It loads easier too, being lower, flatter and more accessible via the dual sliding doors and full tailgate. I can slide 10'+ boards right up the middle of the van. 12' flexible stock (e.g. vinyl trim) can fit diagonally. P.S. I have a trailer too. ;-)
Thanks for measuring the length of the load floor. Most reviewers only tell us the cubic feet of cargo room. It’s a shame the second-row of seats is no longer removable in the Toyota.
If Toyota made the Sienna a tad bit more powerful and fast it would smash competition entirely. That’s my problem right now no one has come out with the options I want all in one yet.
Nice review! Like it when you two buddy up for comparisons. Would have liked to also hear driving impressions after a hot-lap--maybe even a time comparison there...because, why not? Really though, things like steering feel, corning ability, ride quality no matter in day to day driving. You could have talked about some of those things while driving two and from the track, for example. Anyway, thanks for the excellent content!
My sister bought a 2018 odyssey and after only 2 months, started the electrical problems, the dealer needed to change various things some of them were back order, in the end the odyssey ended up a couple of months at the dealership. Happened almost like you guys with the Defender.
One off's happen. I'm sure we could find one or two Toyota's (Mercedes, Jaguar, RAM truck, Harley Davidson, etc.) with early life failures. Sh*t happens.
All these cool futures you guys mentioned in Honda ,Toyota also have but you didn't mention, dimensional mirror, speaker system to hear kids from the third the road seat.
I'd like to see you race a Honda Odyssey vs a Mercedes C300 4matic sedan, just for the s**ts and giggles... 5-60 mph: Odyssey 6.7 seconds; C-class 7.1 seconds 30-50 mph: Odyssey 3.4 seconds; C-class 3.8 seconds 50-70 mph: Odyssey 4.5 seconds; C-class 4.7 seconds ... these numbers are from Car & Driver. The C-class will obviously take it with brake-boosting. But in terms of real-world red-light acceleration and passing, the Odyssey wins just cuz the Benz has such bad turbo-lag. At altitude the Benz might have a greater handicap too.
The 2019 front is much better looking. I don’t know who the heck did that refresh fascia. That looks horrible. In the other hand toyota did a great job on the new sienna. I just don’t like the rear tailights, but overall did a great job. Especially in that green color.
Consider who's buying these things and driving them. Most people who are buying mini vans are probably more concerned with safety and reliability than styling (especially on the exterior). Of course, both brands have received some minor (exterior) updates over the years, but there's only so many styling changes you can make to a minivan IMO. They're family haulers, not luxury cars or sports vehicles.
With the Odyssey, I'm sorry I would just keep an eye with the premature worn out cams or cam issues. I don't know if it only applies to a small percentage of these vehicles produced out there.
The new Sienna makes the Odyssey look OLD. Waaaaay better looking. Not only on the outside but the inside as well. And like someone mentioned, love to see that Toyota kept the transmission shifter instead of those annoying buttons on the Odyssey. And on top of all that you get those MPG's ! In one word I'll say OUTSTANDING. On a side note when it comes to performance, most people who buy a minivan don't even remotely thinking in rag racing their vehicles. I'm even considering getting myself the Sienna for the way it looks and the practicality it provides AND I don't even have kids. I can't believe I said that but is true.
Your observation about performance has one flaw: one should have and expect good power in a vehicle of this size. Of course people aren’t worried about racing the thing, but get it fully loaded and it won’t get out of it’s own way which is not only a safety concern, but pure stupidity in a vehicle that costs this much. Odyssey with a V6 for the win. Honda also boasts higher quality materials for interior pieces which is nice.
@@Matthew-ip6xl Make sure you get an extended warranty for the Odyssey. According to Consumer Reports the Odyssey is one of the least reliable vehicles on the market. ua-cam.com/video/EKNUwwK0wsU/v-deo.html
I know I've said this already, but my 2022 Sienna FWD will collect debris inside the rear bumper causing part of the Toyota Safety Sense to fail (RCTA and BSM). It's a design flaw. So if you own this van, be prepared to regularly spray out the inside of the bumper. I would not recommend driving the Sienna on anything but dry roads with minimal dirt.
I was reading about this comparing vans and someone like me hauling the family to the cabin in the woods doesn’t like that design flaw. I love aspects of both of the vans but the rear seat removal I feel like is a huge deal for the versatility of the van. Also my in laws have the Honda and in the eco mode on highway trips the engine does very well mpg wise
@Eat Jat I would think the sienna and Sedona w the non removable 2nd rows will have less cargo space. Ultimately, I want the quietest minivan for long highway road trips. My 2014 odyssey was extremely loud and as a result, was tiring after long drives. My 2020 Pacifica is much quieter, but could still be quieter. The 2021 refreshed Pacifica is supposed to be even quieter.
@@Mark-jd1jx I’m on my 2nd leased Pacifica. My 2017 had a lot of recalls the first yr. but I think it’s bc it was a first model year. It was super annoying to bring it to the dealership to get the recalls fixed. So far my leased 2020 has been perfect. I bet the new sienna will be super reliable. However, I’m not so sure about the odyssey. My 2014 odyssey wasn’t perfect. Surprisingly, I prefer the Pacifica over the odyssey as I’m usually a Toyota/Honda fan.
@@Wasabi9111 understandable, i personally not a fan of the pacifica and the 2020 is to new of a car to judge if its reliable we will see in a few yrs we all have cars thst we like and don't. I have a 2010 sienna runs like a dream with 244k miles on the clock. Honda is known to have trans issues.
The Sienna is almost good looking, has AWD and is much more efficient And I like the dash better, and the hybrid is quick enough. The Odyssey has a unibrow, so it's got that going for it.....
i always like the concept of hybrid to provide the torque to haul the weight around and helps braking however Odyssey has way better interior, front of the siena looks cramp having the middle isle bulkiness taking up rooms. Would be awesome if Honda uses the hybrid from the MDX
@@carholic-sz3qv looks is a subjective, i am saying usability and services, i do basic work from replacing and services brakes etc Honda has a way better design and handling by miles. This hybrid Toyota has better brakes due to the electric motor, they should up the torque
You guys didn’t do the sport shift on the Honda but went all out on the Sienna for the second race. I wonder if it would of made a difference in start up.
owned 2018 Elite for 2 years now, I will guarantee you still need to slide the seat forward to get in and out unless you are a small kid; and if you leave the seat at the most outward position there is almost no recline; and good luck try slide stuff into that back not level at all; they did change that stupid center console slide cover on the new model, on the old one the only USB port is inside and there is no cable pass through; also the Nav screen will always froze and have to disconnect the battery, then you find out the +/- side use different size of socket; both sliding door constantly jam; the brake hold button locate next to the E-brake and both use push in to activate, every time you open the door or turn off the car you need to activate it again, and the brake hold feature don't do well when you want to perform a smooth stop, u will feel like pulling the E-brake to stop the car; auto stop start always fail; and I think is 7 or 8 recalls in 2 years, lost count...
You can't remove the 2nd row in the Sienna. Unfortunately, a deal-breaker as we often move furniture in our Odyssey (& are looking to buy a another minivan van)
This is a great video. I still like the Sienna at the end because of new redesign interior. It looks more like car than truck. Also there are some features that's not available to offer in Odyssey... like AWD, HUD, power folding side mirrors, 3D surround view, ... and best of all the 35MPG. Of course I'm talking about the Platinum model. Thank you guys to make this comparison. - Like -
I love TFL. You guy should load the 2 vans up and test it to see how well the Hybrid engine perform. Most people who buy van will not care how fast it goes 0-60 or drag race anyway. More practical test would help with buying decision. Also you should mention that the eCVT transmission is not the same as the normal CVT as people may heard CVT, it like Noooo.
Good Comparison, Thanks for the inside measurements, I was just ready to go to the dealership to take measurements, I plan on using a van for travel and maybe sleep in once in a while, I've been driving Toyota Avalon Hybrids since 2013 with no problems.
I just remembered when i race a Sierra 2012 and me in my odyssey we put 115mph and i have the whole fender right in front of that Truck. He hit the gas like 1 sec. befor me and still won that. No people was harm and both cars Stock.
Vey interesting this combined vehicle review. Thank you for the good job.
Great review, thank you.
As a former Tahoe and Yukon owner, and current Kia Sedona owner, minivans are the clear better choice once you stop caring what random people at stoplights think about you as long as you do not tow 5,000+ lbs on a regular basis. Interior's are so much more functional and minivans cost tens of thousands less. Minivans should sell more than what they do and maybe they will when people realize the fact that they are easily the best family haulers.
I just wish the Sedona also came with the AWD feature too. That would make it the perfect minivan in my opinion. I think its the sexier, more sporty looking minivan of all.
Exactly. My mom has a 2005 sienna. To this day it’s a very comfortable ride with lots of features, it can haul 7 people easily, and is very reliable. Minivans are awesome.
Interesting point of view. I personally think my Suburban is the perfect car, but thats for my life. Everyone is different. We tow a camper and boat regularly, so it makes sense for us. Which body styles did you have?
Well said, i was thinking about buying a tahoe to haul the mustang to the track once in a while but i think i just rather buy a truck since the oddyssey i have can be beat in comfort
The new Tahoes and Yukons have better and bigger interiors than any minivan
Andre and Nathan, This is the Past vs the Future. With 35 mpg, a 3,500 lbs tow rating and an available AWD system this Sienna is simply outstanding.
I would love to see how it does carrying 6 people, luggage going up a long steep hill. And then add 3500lbs to it
@@hansolo6827 cvt explosion
The only problem is that there are now rumors about Sienna Prime Plug-in Hybrid! For 50 miles, it'll run pure on Electricity! 🔌⚡💡
The Sienna is just so UGLY though
@@jackpez Sienna has ECVT. CVT is belt (prone to slippage). ECVT is more like a regular auto (planetary gears). like comparing email/mail - big difference
My buddy has the Honda. It messes with your senses because of how fast and sporty it feels. That vtech engine with the paddle shifters can really get going. Even with it loaded.
Yes. I've had the same generation for four years, and it never fails to amaze, when the gas is hit hard.
I praise Toyota for keeping the manual shift instead of the buttons or dial
It’s not manual shift. It has an automatic transmission
@@taylorwatson7932 that's not what i meant... I was talking the way you put the car into drive. In the new Sienna, you grab the shifter and move it. In the Honda Odyssey you push a button that says D on it. In the Chrysler Pacifica, you turn a dial to put the car in drive.
@@taylorwatson7932 😆
Buttons and dials are just more electrical components that can break. One electrical issue and you can't put your car in drive.
@@DK-bm5rg if you are really worried about electronics failure that can hinder the car drivability, then you should be more worried about Sienna’s ECVT “transmission” vs Odyssey’s conventional 10speed AT that had been used successfully in the Honda Pilot. The buttons are a bit confusing at first. But after driving it for a couple times, you will get used to it. Same for the dial. I hate it on my rental SUV, at first, but got used to it very quickly. This should not be a deal breaker.
Oh how I love the van culture.
I just purchased my XSE 2 weeks ago, badass 20inch dark rims for a Mom-Mobile, lmao!!! Wife is traveling overseas so she doesn't know it (it's a surprise gift). I am going to pick her up at the airport with our new XSE :-).
How is the ride?
That was probably a mistake. I hear the XSE rides much worse than the other trips.
The Odyssey was only 9 seconds to 60? Must have been the elevation. Also can't wait for the updated Pacifica comparison. Thanks!
All the 0-60 times I’ve seen for both vans were well under 9 seconds (more like 7) so I’m not sure why their times were so slow.
Altitude
@@kevinclark1482 Elevation
Maybe not in Sports mode?
Elevation and altitude really kill n/a cars. If they were in an area with less elevation you could probably expect times around 7-7.5 sec 0-60 wise. But honestly still impressive never the less for a mini van 🤣
The rear end of the Sienna looks like they pulled the back of a Supra and put it on the Sienna with more height.
Or the Supra gained weight.
@@zeeawan917 The Supra coming back to her 10 year highschool reunion. 😄
I have a present 2018 Gen Honda Odyssey. They are great haulers! However, on where I live the gas prices are the most expensive in North America. Sienna will sell more by far with its Hybrid. Competition is good! I love it!
Where do you live?
Vancouver, BC Canada
@@harleyreyes7341 you pay 4 times what I pay and we have 50 cent/gal tax in PA.
Just got my sienna this October. 👍
Can't go wrong with either...but hybrid sienna is what many have been waiting so long for!
O snap kirk is in da houuse!
The question is how do they handle with the 1000 pounds of people and gear inside. IKE gauntlet time.
Also, how do they run after family and vacation gear are loaded up and then head for the mountains, like Skyline Drive in the Virginia Blue Ridge mountains ???
Friend got his and is doing a ny to ca trip right now, he getting average of 41MPG! I was like wow. He must be using that eco mode non stop haha.
I had a fully loaded Limited 2011 Sienna.
Cost me $50k in 2010.
Loved ithe van.
Traded it in 2016 for a Sequoia.
The only channel that drags race minivans! Love TFL!
6:55
Drag Race. You're welcome.
Next, Pacifica vs Honda vs Sienna!!
that was the plan but the pacifica broke down 😂😂
@@connosps4656 OK!!!!! That was brilliant. 😂😂😂😂😂
The upcoming Kia Sedona looks interesting
@@connosps4656 Wasn't funny at all.
@@La-yt1wr It was to me.....because it's TRUE.
Weird. Long trip fuel economy is not that important, most people put way more miles every day.
The Toyota mpg is amazing though at the cost of performance. It's crazy slow and I can't imagine how much worse it would be with towing something.
One offers a j series v6 that sounds great
The other offers more luxury and more features
Also TFL car, the hybrid battery is located under the front seats of the sienna hybrid
Also ICYDK the reason the second row seats don’t come out of the sienna anymore is because they added airbags to the seats to improve safety scores
Good Video. I think the Honda Odyssey is the best minivan in the market. My mother had one that had 321,000 Miles on the original engine and transmission before the transmission went out. She Owned it 16years and drove it all over the us. Amazing vehicles.
It’s actually the most dated compared to its rivals
@@dreamteam182 If it works flawlessly, why change it? Lol. Don't go messing with a great design.
The Toyota gauge cluster and infotainment system looks a generation behind the (older) Honda. The Honda will be more fun to drive and sound much better, but as a practical matter the huge efficiency boost for the Toyota will make it the better choice for many. While I would personally go with the Honda, it's ultimately good to have options.
The only drawback in the Odyssey is that it lacks AWD option. In Canada its a must have. I have seen too many FWD cars stuck in bad weather to not to have one 😐
What you need are winter tires
Awd is more of an assist with acceleration, handling and braking is also important in snow and ice. Which makes fwd with snow tires better than just awd with all seasons.
@@paulsalvo235 yes everyone gets snow tires where I am but being in a AWD vehicle will benefit you over a FWD
@@dilpreets7 AWD doesn’t help at all in handling and braking, only acceleration, FWD with snow tires are way better
@@aimxdy8680 shut up! You don't know what you're talking about. The handling difference is day and night between FWD and AWD. You would know if you've driven a AWD through a snow storm
I think Toyota will enjoy 1 year of ‘extra features’ over the Honda & then its over as the new next gen Odyssey comes out. Interesting that a 5 year old Honda out performers and would be the ‘pick’ except for new 2 features the Toyota has.
I was about to comment but then I saw your name so no matter what I say it's not going to change your mind😂😂
Honda will offer the Odyssey in AWD?
Fat chance. Honda still has yet to come up with a new pilot to compete with the Telluride. Honda fanboy!
Sienna all day especially since it has AWD and Hybrid.....of course reliability
Honda isn’t reliable?
@@hondaguymontes8213 Not as reliable as Toyota in all honesty. Honda designed and built transmissions come to mind as a sore spot as well as many other questionable decisions.
@@stephanlevesque7632 correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Odyssey transmission issues were from the ZF-made 9-speed, while Honda's in-house 10-speed has been much more reliable.
@@TheBreakfastLover Honda history in general says the Transmissions have always been a thorn with higher than normal failures. The 10 speed is still pretty new for them. From several Van forums I am in, the odyssey transmission is the biggest complaint
@@hondaguymontes8213 Not anymore.
I bought my Honda over a Sienna and I have zero regrets. yes I wish I got 30mpg instead of 22 but I was disappointed with the set up in the Toyota. Surprisingly I also just bought a Sonata over the Camry. I never thought after owning 2 Camrys I would end up with an Odyssey and a Sonata. The review is awesome, no bs, no sales pitch, just the facts. Thank you both.
Its a good thing you dont have to worry about drag racing or 0 to 60 in a mini van. Im sure fuel mileage and function is more important. Plus reliability
19:00 AWD and hybrid for Toyota, everything else for Honda. Well that sums it.
Y'all killing me... I can't believe I just watched you guys race two minivans... 😂😂😂
Hey, why not. It happens in the real world. lol
The Sienna would be a 10/10 if you could remove the second row. Still enough room to sleep but you lose a lot of cargo not being able to remove second row. Deal breaker for me.
Same here. I've had 3 Odys, just bought a 17 EX-L. You can't beat the cargo space. The money I'd save on gas with the Sienna would be replaced with the inconvenience of dragging my trailer around all the time. That's not worth it to me.
That is what’s holding the sienna back. Dumb move for not being able to remove the 2nd row seats.
The third seat in the Odyssey folded flatter into the floor also. The Sienna had some bumps and bulges.
@@jay_321 The Odyssey's have gotten bumpier and bumpier over the years. The Gen 2 was almost completely flat, the Gen 3 has bumps caused by the rear bench hinges. The Gen 4 literally has a ledge and the Gen 5, besides the ledge with the rear bench stowed also has huge bumps when the 2nd row is removed. Start the video at 18:15 and continue until 18:45. You can see the drop off in the middle and the huge bumps left by the base of the middle rows.
Same
Honda’s V6 is just amazing, powerful and sounds very good, and the 10 speed is brilliant
They not telling you this. If u get the 8 passengers trim, there is no AWD option for sienna. Odyssey is 8 passengers for all trim.
@@sprewellwell8736 I do like the Odyssey bench seat which is the captain seats with the additional center seat that can be removed.
If that's all it matters, I agree with you 100%. I Own an Acura RDX With the same 3.5 L Engine and I love it. But there's no denying everything else on that Sienna looks way better than in the Odyssey.
But having a DI system instead of MPI, how long will it trouble free until you have clogged intake?
@@antimon40 Doesn’t it have both?
Sienna Crushes the Honda on economy and reliability 🤔
@Jonathan Losito you really haven't seen the 4 cylinder hybrid systems in the highlander that has been there since like the mid 2000's. They pretty much last for ages and rarely breakdown. Toyota really has reliability nailed down with their hybrids.
@@JmanSKokh
Yes, toyota,s 4 cylinder hybrids are next level greatness.
The 4 cylinder hybrid highlander is a marvel when it comes to reliability. Toyota knows their market. 6 cylinder engines with power and speed in the highlander and sienna? Nah? Those two vehicles are for soccer moms or suburban moms.
Economy yes, not so much in relaiblity, plus, i wouldnt want a 4 cylinder that takes ages to move either, sportiness on the odyssey makes it all the more better than a sienna that isnt able to move that fast on highway.... Struggling to get to 80 with the v4 lol.
To those who dont care about 0-60 and want a vehicle that starts everytime you drive then get the sienna. Trust me you'll be happy with it.
Not many people will care about the 0-60 of their minivans, but I guarantee you people care about their ability to pass people on the highway during road trips. Should have done some 60-80 passing tests or something similar.
They failed to mention that the Sienna middle row is not removable which is a big oversight. I could not have moved my son to his dorm in one trip with the Sienna. The mileage is very impressive in the Toyota though. I would go with the Honda for the better driving dynamics, especially if you plan on long road trips and pay the extra for the gas : )
Why didnt you use "sport mode" (Sienna in the first race) ? Glad to know a 4 cyl can easily keep up with a 280hp v-6. Sienna's 50%++ better gas milage is just icing on the cake.
One they were on elevation, and it doesnet keep up at all. Your sienna is a whole second, if not more slower than the odyssey and this is at normal speeds. In the highway its gonna take ages just to pass someone. Good luck with that 4 cylinder!.
Sienna!!! We love a hybrid queen
Need a prime version
I have been waiting for a video that pits these two against each other. I really also want to see what the Kia will offer, the interior looks fantastic compared to these two. But a video that I had seen of the Sienna pretty much convinced me the Toyota would be difficult to beat. 35 MPG is seriously hard to overlook. I own an Odyssey and we are looking to replace it in a year or two. Thanks for the great review!
I tow a 3,000lb boat with my 2013 Odyssey. It tows it just fine, the V6 has plenty of power, and it has plenty of suspension to deal with it on the highway. My only limitation is FWD. I would really like the AWD in the Sienna, but a 4 cyl hybrid CVT on the boat ramp is a hard pass from me.
Hybrid system makes lots of torque. I wouldn't worry. And their CVT is great.
The Sienna has a 3,500 pound tow rating. Unlike the FWD Honda, AWD Sienna models have power going to the rear wheels which is EXACTLY what you want on a boat ramp.
The eCVT in the Sienna isn't even considered a transmission.
@@rightlanehog3151 The odyssey has the same amount despite being fwd.... and has 40+ more horsepower which is more than enough for going high speeds. Honda also has significantly better driving dynamics.
My mom has a 2012 elite. I love it. Especially the 650 watt sound system
I’m team Honda Odyssey all day long since my mom still has her 2005 Odyssey and I love that van
Was the Odyssey in sport mode on the second run and the eco turned off?
I recently bought the Honda Odyssey touring and it’s absolutely amazing.
I believe you can not remove the middle seats on the Sienna. So, no 8x4 plywood?
You can't fit a sheet of plywood in a modern minivan anyway. My 99 Tahoe can't even do it. So guess what? I hook my trailer up.
@@andybub45 Trailers rule!!
@@rightlanehog3151 I think I could have fit a few 8x4 on my 2011 odyssey with the middle seats taken out, but because I knew I'd be cutting the 8x4 anyways, I had lowe's cut them to 4x4, and they fit in fine without middle seat removal.
@@fernandobarrios2596 Nobody loves to take a FULL sheet of plywood home from the lumber yard more than I do. As a kid in the 70s, I remember when our family station wagons carried full sheets with the second row folded down. Having said all that, Toyota made a decision on improved safety components over removable back seats which some people will not support. When it comes to moving plywood, lumber etc, I am much more concerned about the 3 ton, Crew Cab pickups with the 5 foot beds. My Pontiac Vibe can carry 8 foot 2X4s inside as well as 8 foot Plywood cut length wise. When I see a huge pickup with ordinary 2X4s dangling out the back of the bed I laugh scornfully.
@@andybub45 Sure you can. All Odyssey's going back to the Gen 2 and right up to the current years can hold full 4 x 8 sheet goods. It's tight and they need to be angled in and then laid flat, but they fit. You lose that in the new Sienna's because you can't remove the center seats.
The main reason I still drive an Odyssey (just bought my 3rd, a 2017 EX-L) is because of the hauling space. I don't even have kids living at home anymore, but I do a lot of woodworking and home renovation projects. I can carry more in my Ody than my neighbor can in his...wait for it...Tahoe. It loads easier too, being lower, flatter and more accessible via the dual sliding doors and full tailgate.
I can slide 10'+ boards right up the middle of the van. 12' flexible stock (e.g. vinyl trim) can fit diagonally.
P.S. I have a trailer too. ;-)
How about a roadtrip review like the tfl ford fusion 1000 mile road trip review from 2 years ago.
This was a Close Race,Imagine if Toyota makes a Sienna Prime.
Sienna TRD Pro
@@rubyl3284 lol
Game over. I think they would but having 2 many issues with supply chain
@@occckid123 I think the same just look at the Rav4 Prime,But yeah it would game over for the odyssey
Thanks for measuring the length of the load floor. Most reviewers only tell us the cubic feet of cargo room. It’s a shame the second-row of seats is no longer removable in the Toyota.
If Toyota made the Sienna a tad bit more powerful and fast it would smash competition entirely. That’s my problem right now no one has come out with the options I want all in one yet.
Nice review! Like it when you two buddy up for comparisons. Would have liked to also hear driving impressions after a hot-lap--maybe even a time comparison there...because, why not? Really though, things like steering feel, corning ability, ride quality no matter in day to day driving. You could have talked about some of those things while driving two and from the track, for example. Anyway, thanks for the excellent content!
Honda usually wins the performance test vs. Toyota.
Vtec.....kick...in....yoooo
I got a 2021 odyssey exl and I get 28.9 mpg all day
Highway only and driving under 65 lol
My sister bought a 2018 odyssey and after only 2 months, started the electrical problems, the dealer needed to change various things some of them were back order, in the end the odyssey ended up a couple of months at the dealership. Happened almost like you guys with the Defender.
One off's happen. I'm sure we could find one or two Toyota's (Mercedes, Jaguar, RAM truck, Harley Davidson, etc.) with early life failures. Sh*t happens.
@@derbydad5086 yeap, I know, I used to work for BMW and Chevy... I was very used to it...
Odyssey owner here...love it very universal and convenient for me...mpg don't bother me that much...I'm not doing cross country.
All these cool futures you guys mentioned in Honda ,Toyota also have but you didn't mention, dimensional mirror, speaker system to hear kids from the third the road seat.
Thanks for the review. The batteries are under the first row seats btw.
I can’t wait Honda Odyssey to be Hybrid and/or AWD.
I'd like to see you race a Honda Odyssey vs a Mercedes C300 4matic sedan, just for the s**ts and giggles...
5-60 mph: Odyssey 6.7 seconds; C-class 7.1 seconds
30-50 mph: Odyssey 3.4 seconds; C-class 3.8 seconds
50-70 mph: Odyssey 4.5 seconds; C-class 4.7 seconds
... these numbers are from Car & Driver. The C-class will obviously take it with brake-boosting. But in terms of real-world red-light acceleration and passing, the Odyssey wins just cuz the Benz has such bad turbo-lag. At altitude the Benz might have a greater handicap too.
Turbos are better at altitude. They make up for some of the lower atmospheric pressure.
@@jghall00 oops, you're correct! I had it the other way around.
The cabintalk on the odyssey reminds me of the intercom on a school bus
Only thing is that the pacifica has stow n go seats. Helps when you are getting something large unexpectedly. Boom..
Man, you guys are going to hit one million subs soon. Awesome work!
I owned a Honda Oddessey i like the power and handling, i will go for Sienna for the new look and AWD.
Which one last the longest?
Didn’t see you put the Honda in sport mode, nor did you use the paddle shifters which may have pulled a quicker time.
I was slower using the paddle shifters - by a large margin. Yes, we had it in sport mode
One day i wanna have a sleeper odyssey. And make people in mustangs really really sad 🤣
I would only be sad to see so much money wasted on a bad starting vehicle
Look up 1,000hp minivan.
It is possible and the trail has been cleared for you to follow.
There is an actually odyssey sleeper in California my dad would swap his 2016 odyssey to an Manual but he doesn’t have crazy money to start it
Near where I work, someone with a modded exhaust MDX is always flying down the street. That same V6 sounds SOOOOOOO good.
Someone needs to pry honda and their crv styling for everything they got going on. Its been 15 years with that lame style.
The 2019 front is much better looking. I don’t know who the heck did that refresh fascia. That looks horrible. In the other hand toyota did a great job on the new sienna. I just don’t like the rear tailights, but overall did a great job. Especially in that green color.
Consider who's buying these things and driving them. Most people who are buying mini vans are probably more concerned with safety and reliability than styling (especially on the exterior). Of course, both brands have received some minor (exterior) updates over the years, but there's only so many styling changes you can make to a minivan IMO. They're family haulers, not luxury cars or sports vehicles.
With the Odyssey, I'm sorry I would just keep an eye with the premature worn out cams or cam issues. I don't know if it only applies to a small percentage of these vehicles produced out there.
from what I know, the rear wheels are not attached to the CVT - they're standalone electric motors.
Did you guys use the Sports mode on the Odyssey? It should be getting close to Pilot times which 6.5 secs.
That’s high elevation, the odyssey usually do below 7 seconds 0-60 around 6.4-6.7 seconds
What does the Pacifica do?
@@ikelee between 7 and 7.3
I'm willing to bet you will not get that 35mpg with the seats full of bodies. A good test to do if you have the van for any length of time.
Cuz u have you have to keep reving that drowny engine
The new Sienna makes the Odyssey look OLD.
Waaaaay better looking. Not only on the outside but the inside as well.
And like someone mentioned, love to see that Toyota kept the transmission shifter instead of those annoying buttons on the Odyssey. And on top of all that you get those MPG's ! In one word I'll say OUTSTANDING.
On a side note when it comes to performance, most people who buy a minivan don't even remotely thinking in rag racing their vehicles. I'm even considering getting myself the Sienna for the way it looks and the practicality it provides AND I don't even have kids.
I can't believe I said that but is true.
Your observation about performance has one flaw: one should have and expect good power in a vehicle of this size. Of course people aren’t worried about racing the thing, but get it fully loaded and it won’t get out of it’s own way which is not only a safety concern, but pure stupidity in a vehicle that costs this much. Odyssey with a V6 for the win. Honda also boasts higher quality materials for interior pieces which is nice.
@@Matthew-ip6xl Make sure you get an extended warranty for the Odyssey. According to Consumer Reports the Odyssey is one of the least reliable vehicles on the market.
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Was the honda odyssey in sport mode?
dude that Siena is getting better mpg than my ELANTRA WTF.
Hybrid
Its a SIENNA SI-EN-NA you cant spell shit so go back to pre school, second and lastly, you dont know shit....
In my opinion I don't need awd in my van even in the snow. And when I drove them the odyssey drives sportier. So I'd choose it any day
Putting the 3rd row up??think Honda is wee bit easier..u guys really need a ‘BLAZE SCALE’ to check family cars and vans!!
I know I've said this already, but my 2022 Sienna FWD will collect debris inside the rear bumper causing part of the Toyota Safety Sense to fail (RCTA and BSM). It's a design flaw. So if you own this van, be prepared to regularly spray out the inside of the bumper. I would not recommend driving the Sienna on anything but dry roads with minimal dirt.
I was reading about this comparing vans and someone like me hauling the family to the cabin in the woods doesn’t like that design flaw.
I love aspects of both of the vans but the rear seat removal I feel like is a huge deal for the versatility of the van.
Also my in laws have the Honda and in the eco mode on highway trips the engine does very well mpg wise
Did I miss the part where you reviewed the ride and driving experience?
minivan 🚐 it’s all about hauling people and big space not dragging or show off hahah
Can’t wait for you guys to do another review w the all new Sedona and refreshed Pacifica.
@Eat Jat I would think the sienna and Sedona w the non removable 2nd rows will have less cargo space.
Ultimately, I want the quietest minivan for long highway road trips. My 2014 odyssey was extremely loud and as a result, was tiring after long drives. My 2020 Pacifica is much quieter, but could still be quieter. The 2021 refreshed Pacifica is supposed to be even quieter.
@@Wasabi9111 I would love to see you driving that Pacifica in a few years... You will be spending thousands on repairs in a few years.
@@Mark-jd1jx I’m on my 2nd leased Pacifica. My 2017 had a lot of recalls the first yr. but I think it’s bc it was a first model year. It was super annoying to bring it to the dealership to get the recalls fixed. So far my leased 2020 has been perfect. I bet the new sienna will be super reliable. However, I’m not so sure about the odyssey. My 2014 odyssey wasn’t perfect. Surprisingly, I prefer the Pacifica over the odyssey as I’m usually a Toyota/Honda fan.
@@Wasabi9111 understandable, i personally not a fan of the pacifica and the 2020 is to new of a car to judge if its reliable we will see in a few yrs we all have cars thst we like and don't. I have a 2010 sienna runs like a dream with 244k miles on the clock. Honda is known to have trans issues.
i thought it was snowing, Andre posted the video with the BMW I3 and him and his daughter were freezing....
It was. Today is 60 degrees. lol, welcome to Colorado.
Good to see Nate back on screen.
The Sienna is almost good looking, has AWD and is much more efficient
And I like the dash better, and the hybrid is quick enough.
The Odyssey has a unibrow, so it's got that going for it.....
Were we watching the same review. Almost good looking, really. Over styled and that grill on the sienna oh my.
@@matthewrobertson156 is the “oh my” good or bad
@@vvt2257 Not good....
1:26 UGGGHH!! The dash flexed with the startup!
I think it was just the camera because when you start the van it doesn't start the engine usually and it says ev on the dash so no engine is on?
i always like the concept of hybrid to provide the torque to haul the weight around and helps braking
however Odyssey has way better interior, front of the siena looks cramp having the middle isle bulkiness taking up rooms.
Would be awesome if Honda uses the hybrid from the MDX
Thats just your opinion, I think the sienna looks way better
@@carholic-sz3qv
looks is a subjective, i am saying usability and services, i do basic work from replacing and services brakes etc
Honda has a way better design and handling by miles.
This hybrid Toyota has better brakes due to the electric motor, they should up the torque
You guys need to compare the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid with the Toyota Sienna. The Honda is already out classed by MPG in this category.
Everything else honda takes, and in reliablilty. Pacifica has no chance in reliablity....
You guys didn’t do the sport shift on the Honda but went all out on the Sienna for the second race. I wonder if it would of made a difference in start up.
Bad Ass Review (BAR). That was awesome dudes. Great review. I am glad I am looking at buying a new Sienna with AWD.
owned 2018 Elite for 2 years now, I will guarantee you still need to slide the seat forward to get in and out unless you are a small kid; and if you leave the seat at the most outward position there is almost no recline; and good luck try slide stuff into that back not level at all; they did change that stupid center console slide cover on the new model, on the old one the only USB port is inside and there is no cable pass through; also the Nav screen will always froze and have to disconnect the battery, then you find out the +/- side use different size of socket; both sliding door constantly jam; the brake hold button locate next to the E-brake and both use push in to activate, every time you open the door or turn off the car you need to activate it again, and the brake hold feature don't do well when you want to perform a smooth stop, u will feel like pulling the E-brake to stop the car; auto stop start always fail; and I think is 7 or 8 recalls in 2 years, lost count...
Probably got an off one.
Would it be nice to retain the V6 for the toyota Sienna awd as option, make it a more refine engine? I think many customers would still love it.
I agree.
I disagree, that hybrid engine fuel economy is the main reason to get the Toyota.
You can't remove the 2nd row in the Sienna. Unfortunately, a deal-breaker as we often move furniture in our Odyssey (& are looking to buy a another minivan van)
Sienna looks way better hands-down!
And it’s more reliable 😜
Yes and it might not have AWD but since I'm used to old minivans I'm totally fine with out AWD
I wonder if FCA will send a Pacifica for a comparison between the Toyota Hybrid and the Pacifica PHEV.
This is a great video. I still like the Sienna at the end because of new redesign interior. It looks more like car than truck. Also there are some features that's not available to offer in Odyssey... like AWD, HUD, power folding side mirrors, 3D surround view, ... and best of all the 35MPG. Of course I'm talking about the Platinum model. Thank you guys to make this comparison. - Like -
Yeah but you talking about 50k sienna platinum vs odyssey elx 42k big difference
That Sienna looks like a cheese grater with that front end!
Here's a noob question. Is AWD important if I live in a climate where it never snows and I'll never be going off-road?
If you live in an area with a lot of rain like the north west AWD will provide better wet traction.
I love TFL. You guy should load the 2 vans up and test it to see how well the Hybrid engine perform. Most people who buy van will not care how fast it goes 0-60 or drag race anyway. More practical test would help with buying decision. Also you should mention that the eCVT transmission is not the same as the normal CVT as people may heard CVT, it like Noooo.
Good Comparison, Thanks for the inside measurements, I was just ready to go to the dealership to take measurements, I plan on using a van for travel and maybe sleep in once in a while,
I've been driving Toyota Avalon Hybrids since 2013 with no problems.
So many people are beaching about 50K
And in Taiwan, it's will cause me almost 100K
But I am still getting this for my family...
Have you guys tried sport mode for the Sienna
That's STUPID. Who buy Minivans for drag race.....
I just remembered when i race a Sierra 2012 and me in my odyssey we put 115mph and i have the whole fender right in front of that Truck. He hit the gas like 1 sec. befor me and still won that. No people was harm and both cars Stock.