Here's Why the Hyundai Veloster N Demolishes The King Of Sports Cars | No You’re Wrong!
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The Hyundai Veloster N and the Mazda Miata are two fun and fast cars. But which one in the better car? In this episode of No You’re Wrong! Roman and Tommy certainly don't agree.
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I loved the banter. This round goes to Roman ( not either of those cars ) . Keep it up guys .
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I've driven a 2019 GTI and a 2019 N and went with the N. The GTI has a far nicer interior, no question. But I would say that the gap in handling dynamics and drive feel between the two cars is just as huge as the difference in interior quality. And THAT goes hands-down to the N.
The Miata has the best styling, but I've driven a VELOSTER and it was a BLAST.
I've seen some pretty gnarly pictures of Veloster Ns floating around the interwebz
I actually ADORE the styling on the Veloster n, the tail lights and front fascia especially! Just my take of course.
@@poppachoppa8956 Lamborghini Aventador looking taillights is really good looking, considering this is a Hyundai not Lamborghini 😂
Heh, because it’s cool and it’s loud, it’s super loud, it sounds like New Year’s Eve in Hawaii, I can set off fireworks just by shifting down manually 🤔😂 every reviewer starts laughing like a teenage kid when they hear that pop pop pop sound 👍😄
FWIW, the plasticky interior and subdued exterior compared to the Honda type R makes this kinda like an old school sleeper car, a nice looking car with a surprisingly powerful engine‼️👍😊
Nah, don't do a driving or acceleration comparison or anything..
Nick Motsarsky yeah, because you can’t find that anywhere else on the interwebs.
Then it would definitely go to the N.
@@techpappee not really (or hardly, i should say). Miata RF is 5.7 seconds, Veloster N is 5.5 seconds. The Veloster N may have twice the HP, but the Miata is over 600 pounds lighter...you know...the difference between driving by yourself and driving with your whole family in your car.
@@baronrichmond5667 0-60 is far from the definitive metric for how a car drives. The Veloster N is 3 seconds faster around Thunder Hill.
@@baronrichmond5667 I never forget to bring the family racing lmao
I will always have a certain respect for the Miata. But I'd own the Veloster
Well said!
I own the N Performance Package and It's a definite must.
I'd own the new Veloster but an older miata
Veloster any day over the Miata.
@@maththink3899 I at least can fit in the Veloster.
I agree. I like how the looks better and to save $10k to get AND get almost 100 more horsepower is game changing.
@@ryannitoi2993 the Veloster is also much heavier . Miata are the most raced car in the world for a reason .
@@ryannitoi2993 Miata is actually cheaper than the Veloster, quite a lot actually if you don't get the max trim.
I'm with Roman on this one. The Veloster N is my choice... Mainly because I don't fit in Miata's.
Miata has a bad and super small cockpit. I'd buy the Veloster just to be able to have my coffee in a comfortable location and less cramped interior space.
@@practicalguy973 Yes, and the Veloster N has such a cheap plastiky feeling on almost anywhere in the interior. I test drove one and loved it, but i just couldn't stand the interior quality.
@@puga4202 Yep, Hyundai is known for that. I think you need to move up in class to get a quality interior!
@@practicalguy973 even the cheap ones are quality because they won't fall apart in a couple years of ownership. But yes, to move up for something nicer, more classy.
Heh, you must be like me, at a car show I sat down and measured headroom with the Miata, I found I don’t actually fit in the car, I’m apparently 1.5 inches too tall, and I’m not even a basketball player sized guy 🤔😂
The Veloster N is a great deal for what you get. I like the exhaust sound for a stock car too. I’d like to drive one.
Am going with Dad on this one! Would love to drive the Hyundai over the Miata any day.
Thank you very much for your posting on youtube. I really enjoyed! I love both car, but sorry, I made a deal with Hyundai Veloster N for 2 weeks ago! I'm so excited!
As an owner of a veloster n I actually like the interior. Yea there is a lot of plastic but I still enjoy the look. The gauges look awesome, the infotainment works great, the steering wheel feels good in my hands, and the seats are comfortable. It's a great car.
If you’ve only ever owned economy cars like me the plastic interior of the N is still a step up, its way better than my Saturn SC2 interior (a POS car that needed to be towed to the dealer every 6 months, there’s a reason Saturn car company no longer exists 😝), or even the old Hyundai Sonata I owned before this N, at least the plastic has a nice textured surface rather than econocar type boring looking plain plastic. Something interesting I saw is that a bargain basement Mercedes has like 188HP versus 275 for the N, probably because of the expensive leather interior sucked up the money Albert chose to dump into the engine bay instead 🤔😂
The cheap plastic comments are so over done. The N is a bargain for the performance. Something had to give to cut cost. My GT350R also had cheap plastics but oh my what a car! If the argument is against cheap plastics the N has already won. I looked at a club miata and MSRP was almost 40k!!
The miata is slow to slow for the money I don't care how well it drives.
I like the Miata a lot...it's just never been the car for me. I love my N - the car is a total and complete riot. I highly recommend test driving one if you're in the market for a fun car.
I own one as well and I love the Performance Package!
I wouldn't be able to live with all that plastic interior tho... though a better interior would increase its price.
@@carlosvillalobos8431 It's definitely a LOT of plastic. On the positive side, it's easy to clean, quite functional, and it will probably hold up extremely well over time. On the negative side, it feels cheap and it looks cheap. The prototype N that Hyundai showed at SEMA had a pretty cool interior upgrade...it would be pretty neat if that became an upgrade option in the future.
I bet high performance with nice interior cannot be purchased with $30k.
Yes the N has black plastic *but* it's how it's only 30k loaded. If they add better materials in the interior it would also cost more (like the GTI). GTI with less HP than the N is also more expen$ive.
How much does it cost to make the Veloster weigh less than 2300lbs?
I was waiting for a weight comparison but never came up
Veloster is about 3049 lbs
Roman would need to go on a diet.
@@esantiago8989 which means even lighter than civic type r and also golf gti.
For those who thought that Hyundai wasn't exiting as Tommy, well just drive the new N Line from Hyundai and you will be amazed. The power to weight ratio it is perfect, the reliability it is better than any euro trash plus those engines are detuned by factory, you just need to add a tuning with the same factory turbo and you are looking at V8 HP ratings on a small 4 cylinder engine. Just look on you tube Sixth engineering that are specialized on Hyundai/Kia tuning and you will see how much power those cars can put to the wheel. Plus the handling, suspension tuning and braking performance done by ex M designer from the BMW for years let you know it is well put together from the ground up and not add on aftermarket stuff. The chasis it is build and design for that, I own one and I can confirmed that this is not Hyundai from the 90's or earlier 2000.
I would take the Miata easy. If you want horsepower, go buy a Mustang GT. If you want fun driving dynamics, get the Miata.
Prior to my ND Miata I had a C7 Z51 and Focus RS. The Miata is way more fun. It’s more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Driving a fast car fast = jail and or suspended license where I live.
thillyard1 your point of driving slower cars fast over fast cars slow, is brilliant.
Nahhh not just the GT, the GT350!!! That’s what I did! I actually am getting the Mustang EcoBoost with the High Performance Package, HPP automatic. Surprisingly close to the 0-60 times of the GT350 in my hands. I’m not willing to thrash the GT350 for the sake of an extra 3/4 second of time off if the 0-60 time. The EcoBoost automatic is just point and shoot! They will look good together in my garage with my trucks!
falchulk I really don’t care who gets he credit. I’ve been around cars, read about cars, and watched tons of videos, and never heard it put so succinctly. Obviously I’ve understood the concept...
golfbuddy1969 - exactly!
Miata ... sophisticated, hilarious. If you are using a cupholder, you are using a sports car wrong. :D
So it's basically a $40k weekend toy rather than something you'd want to daily drive. It's basically a mid-life crisis car, albeit and pretty neat one.
That pair don't have a clue. The miata had never commanded a $40k price that one is a $34k car.
@@palebeachbum no cupholders = midlife crisis? 😅
On my 2020VNpp I vinyl wrapped the interior and bought carbon fiber parts to replace things and now my interior is completely one of a kind and I personally think it looks really good.
The Veloster N has Brembos just badged differently. Kinda like how Subaru STI's have re-badged Brembos.
The caliper design is in-house, and it is not a fixed caliper nor is it made by Brembo. Hyundai used Brembo as a benchmark when designing this caliper, but chose to do it in-house to keep the cost down.
its just brakes from a kia lmao not even close to brembos design
I sat in a Miata at a dealer recently, and my 6' 3" frame refused to fit (let alone drive/enjoy the car). It's a midget mobile.
😂😭😂😭
I'm 6'1 and I love mine. Got it half price used in great condition and couldn't turn it down. I was actually deciding between the Miata and the Veloster N ironically.
Dude even for a 5’10 5,9 is a midget or a girl type Of car the Miata’s hahahahahahaha ppl are craze is nice but can’t compare with the veloster N
@@baronrichmond5667 Haha same! Right now prices are too high on either for the used market so now I'm waiting.
3:52 Did you see, whole module moves up!? Quality!?
I am 180cm (6’) tall and there is no way I can be comfortable in a Miata! I tried, trust me! Hyundai or GTI is my choice!
I had many many cars , and never ever did the scratch test on plastic . And nvm about the "clown car" 😂😂😂
I'm waiting for a local place to get a Veloster N so I can drive it. I've driven the Miata many times... it's incredible.
I wish Hyundai would bring the Elantra GT N to North merica. I own a Hyundai GT Sport and love it, but I'd prefer the N. I think it looks better than the Veloster.
Hyundai has come a long way. Haven't even had a recall in my country in the past decade (Australia) unlike Mazda...
I like them both. But a as a recent 16 Club owner, I can say the MX-5 is a happy place to spend time. Drove it back 13 hours from TOD, NP👍👍 Cancelled reservations at halfway point and just drove the rest of the way home. Really, handled TOD like my my Carrera. Top down was stellar in the mountains. This review might change if this was a primary car?? Great review as always👍👍👍
Help me out, what's TOD? Maybe I already know but I'm drawing a blank.
dchawk81 Tail of the Dragon. TN/SC outside Gatlinburg. It’s a hoot! 👍👍😎
@@shiftintohigh5564 Ohhh yeah yeah yeah I know what/where that is. My brain just wasn't on it for the acronym.
As someone who's owned a Veloster Turbo for years, it's not the same as a Miata. Pay $3000 more for a Miata and you've got a much better driver's car. The VT is not fast like the N is, but the base Miata is every bit the same car as the expensive ones.
It all just depends on what kind of sporty car you want. They are 2 pretty different flavors. One's a 2 seat hardtop convertible for nearly $40k (crazy). The other is an asymmetrical 3-door hot hatch that can maybe seat 4 people. It's obvious you're getting a lot more car for your money with the Veloster. The Miata does seem to have higher quality finishes, but for $10k more and less car and performance, it's the least it can offer.
Roman needs the Sasquatch edition of the Mazda Miata...30 percent larger everything
Aren't brembo a bit excessive on a miata?
Hey tommy, the 1980's called at 0:57...wanted it's antenna back
anyone saw the retractable roof button moving with the panel?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah I did a double take on that and replayed it. If that's any indication of overall build quality, yikes.
Yah nice QC Mazda.
Americas obsession with cup holders is laughable.
I can't argue that, we do love cup holders.
Veloster N is a good car for its price. Hopefully we get the i30n for states.
I usually am seeing things eye to eye with tommy but I’ve gotta go with pops here. I’d get the Veloster all day. Although this is the Miata I’d have if I were to have one.
Good job guys! The banter is excellent! 👍
I owned a Veloster, I don’t miss it.
My money would be on the Miata as a weekend or 2nd car.
Go test a Veloster N with the perf pack and you will see it's nothing like your old model.
@Darkivaz - AAA your a parasite to society.
@Darkivaz - AAA yes im scrawny. But my dog, hed eat you 😂
I'm sure u never owned a Veloster N. Totally diff than the old gen.
The Veloster N is way,way better than a plain Veloster remember the N is new for 2019,2020 ,2021
The Dad said cute little exhaust. Lol
Your best video to date guys. Loved the interaction. 👍👍😎
Best video? 😆 They Miata $40k price is misleading to say the least.
I'd take the Miata. Granted, I don't fit really, but its a better engineered vehicle. Don't get me wrong, Hyundai makes great cars now, but I've seen some issues with their GDI system, and they seem to get a little rattly with age. Also, the Miata is more of a second or third car, the veloster is a fast daily really
Dont mix the old gen with the new gen. Secondly which other company offers 10 yr 100k warranty
@@iaretheone11 yea the warranty is nice, but it's just a cover for what I think is a less built car. I'd own one, sont get me wrong, I just think the mazda builds an overall better car.
@@Suction_ Ok. The Veloster is also way more practical. Miata is for retired or single folks. And Veloster is way cheaper
@@iaretheone11 I ready said that. It's a weekend car, a second or third vehicle.
Haha, you guys make me think not to buy either of them.
@Darkivaz - AAA hahaha you are surely not that poor
@Darkivaz - AAA Neither of these cars is unaffordable. But they're both undesirable. 😁
Darkivaz - AAA What is it with people like you on UA-cam assuming the financial situation of others with literally no evidence to back their statements up? Just stop. It does not make you cool.
@Darkivaz - AAA wrong
@Darkivaz - AAA and we've degraded him to name calling, i win! 😂
I’ll take the Miata any day. If Mazda wants HP and speed, they would have done it long time ago. Miata is excel in driving dynamic and fun factor. In 10 years, the Miata will still be fun on the road while the Veloster will be in the junk yard when the cost of the turbo is more than the car.
I think there was way too much emphasis on a bad interior in the veloster. When you actually get in one, you barely notice the plastics aside from maybe the center console and door arm rests. The gauges, steering wheels, infotainment, shifter, etc are all very nice, and with 2021 the new seats are AMAZING
Great show as always guys...I like both cars..
Miata all day everyday! Reliable fun light rwd etc etc
Well said Sir. 👌
The veloster n interior is good for its price, if you want fancy interiors buy mercedes.
The Veloster N is fun and practical, so it's the prefect car, and no drag race ?
The N will demolish the Miata in a drag race and around a track. No need to race.
I choose...
Golf GTI.
You're welcome.
@Darkivaz - AAA wrong
Darkivaz - AAA what? The MK8 is coming next.
Idiot
I'm 6'1". I own a 2011 Cadillac CTS-V and a 2013 Audi S5 cabriolet Prestige. Neither of those cars will be in my inventory, but thanks for the laugh and the video!
I’m 6’3”. You’d fit fine in either of these. I suspect the lack of power and/or brand of these cars have way more to do with your decision to not own them.
I'm just wondering... How much did you spend fixing the car. I have an impression that they're not reliable.
Tommy is wrong! In no way is that Miata worth 10 grand over that N
"Hot hatch", is a new one on me.
@WheelsAlwaysTurning Never been deeply interested in VW's except for original Beatles and then only for their off road ability.
Traded my 20' miata club for a VN this year i definitely like the agileness, convertible, and mpg of the miata but the VNs personality just puts a stupid smile on my face everytime i drive it, also more space for things.
I don’t think it should even be a comparison!! They’re two very different cars.
A simple drive-off would settle it. Who can get home first from the shooting location? The Miata would arrive ten minutes after the Veloster (even if home is 8 minutes away!) No brainer. Veloster wins over the Ford Miata in every performance category. Enjoy your $10,000 sunroof that you can only use 4 months out of the year in most of the country.
It's perfect because it has an engine in the front ... but it a rear wheel drive ?!
The clincher is that when you get tired of the Miata's 4 cylinder, Flyin Miata has a V8 swap waiting for you. Can't do that with the Veloster.
LS swap FTW!
I wouldn’t be caught dead in a Miata
Awesome vid. I'll take the N though. Don't forget much more storage room (especially when the seats fold down) Also cupholders 5/6 in the back.
From everything I've heard I can't wait till my Mini Cooper S kicks the bucket and I have an excuse to buy the Veloster N (stupid name Veloster). I think it'll be perfect for me. Props to the venerable Miata though. In the early 1990's it revived the concept of the small roadster, like an Asian updated answer to the Triumphs and MGs of the 1960's. It got pretty dated though and this latest generation finally doesn't look like a girl's car. Still, a turbo would make it into the car it's supposed to be.
Why didn’t you drive the cars?
The Veloster N is like the Miata of modern hot hatches
that turbo veloster n gives it the slight edge in overall fun to drive factor
I got my car gene from my father too. I remember I was about 3 y.o., it was in Khabarovsk, my birth place, I used to love riding in a car and my father was like "look, it's a Land Cruiser", "it's a Camry", "this is Lada 2103, it looks almost like our 2106 but has different bumpers". Being a car journalist is still one of my dreams. But my father is an ex policeman, and somehow I have a much stronger passion for cars.
Nice job Mazda another under powered non turbo Miata.
You can always opt for the Fiat version. It at least has a turbo.
I will say a header, exhaust and stage 3 tune really help. And it’s not expensive.
As a human factors engineer... the Veloster is designed WAY better than the Miata when it comes to driver ergonomics and usability.
Comparing a RWD to a FWD.
Do you like sausage, or would you rather try the steamed broccoli?
In this video we see ROLE REVERSAL where Tommy maintains a grown up attitude and Roman devolves to childish tantrums.
It's not role reversal. This is basically the same as every video.
people have the impression that plastic interior is cheap......but if you are on a budget, plastic has advantages, way so easy to clean and will last longer
Just picked up a Veloster N with Performance Pack for $27000. Another $2000 and I'll be race ready and up to 400BHP/500Tq output and still $10k cheaper than a loaded Miata (or a Type R)
Engine mid-mounted not front-mounted .
I went with a 2019 Veloster R-Spec. Turbo engine, 201HP, 6 speed manual. $19500. Very economical and fun to drive and a nice 2nd car (to go with an SUV, in my case).
So.... 40k for a Miata. How much is that new corvette starting at again? This toy seems to be priced for middle aged men with disposable income and credit to spare. Not sure the "N" thing is going to materialize into the same thing as a BMW "M", or Acura type R. I'd buy a used better car than either of these. Can't get over 40k for a Mazda. A sucker is born every minute.
Not being freakishly large, I'll go with Tommy.
At 9:43; Thank you! That's exactly it. If you're over about 6', forget it. I tried one once at the Clev. Auto Show. I have to reach over with my right arm to pull the door closed because I can't hinge my left elbow in tight enough to close it. Then(!), once it's closed I either have my left arm jammed up against me, with NO room to move, or I hang it out the window and practically drag my knuckles on the pavement. No thanks! (Oh, and it's slow)
And as far as the interior quibbles go against the N; You have to make a sacrifice to get that performance at that dollar value. I guess, if Hyundai saw value in it, maybe they could offer a $3,000 option for a premium interior package. At that point, you're really beating A LOT of other cars for value and speed. My guess is though, that (hypothetical) premium interior package would sell in less than 10% of N's sold.
I’m with the Veloster ... I could care less about the plastic stuff the car drives amazing looks great and the plastic is easy to keep clean... this car is everything I wish I had when I was 16 but couldn’t afford...
I want more TFL OFFROAD!!!!
Too bad you didnt have the veloster with the panoramic sun roof. That thing is amazing. I owned a golf. Fun car to drive, but it consistently needed work done.
Veloster is amazing to drive. There are better interior designs for it too.
The last hot hatch? When did VW stop producing the GTI?
For us in the west coast, dealers are slapping $5k markup on top of the msrp of the veloster N. I heard that in the northeast they sell it about $2500 below msrp
Roman wins this round. I got a real kick out of the way this review turned out. The back and forth was great. The Hyundai Foster was cool in its oddball sort of way like the 90,s Saturn 3 door coupe was. The Miata was cool because, well it’s a Miata and they are truly fun little cars. But if I had to choose one, I would choose a base 2 door Wrangler With one option, limited slip differential. Like Roman, I do not fit the Miata and the Volster just does not punch my cool more. I like my Promaster City SLT 5 seat minivan better. I fit in it great, and I can do everything I want with it. But I miss my fully loaded 2010 Cube SL with all its neat tricks and huge cup holders on the corners of the dash and oddball styling. But if we get into the way back machine, my 1970 383 automatic hardtop Plymouth Roadrunner with the air grabber hood scoop, bucket seats, tick tock tach, hood stripe, hood turn signal repeaters and beep-beep horn with magnum black and chrome steel wheels beats them all.
I like both if these cars but I'm with Roman on this one. Hyundai was very wise coming out with the Velister N and its about time.
Only thing keeping me from ever considering a Miata is the lack of a hot version and that it's overpriced. A turbo with 250 to 300hp would make the Miata perfect and be more in line with its 40k price tag.
Of course, if your a tall dude like Roman,.. All of that is moot.
Overall, I give my nod to the Veloster. For the money, it is the better value and proposition..with better performance numbers to boot.
Lmao I'm 6'4 no way I'd pick a miata over anything. Roman you looked like a sardine. I had an grand am yrs ago and drove with my head in the headliner. Neva again in any car. 🤣
I just knew the cupholder question was coming!
However, I believe it clips onto the console on the passenger side, as well. Taking up more of their space.
Tommy: "If you have a passenger, you're not driving a sports car right!"
hardtop convertibles are cool but they heavy so the Miata lost it’s best advantage against the Veloster. Plus that twin scroll turbo paired with the electronic damping suspension just sounds amazing 🤤
Dang I wish I could afford a Veloster N
Everything > Miata > Veloster
I liked it salute from Brazil guys
I like the Veloster. I like your guys review, different from all others !!!!
If Hyundai jacked up the price to the cost of that Miata and used that increase to redo the interior it would be better than that miata in every single way.
If you want to pay less for insurance and have a higher resale value, get the Miata.
You're wrong for insurance for me personally it's 500$ more a year for the miata
Comes down to whether this is your only car (Veloster N), or if this is going to be your weekend-toy only (Miata).
Tommy is a very smart person, his opinion is most important. This is very clear now, we must all follow Tommy.
People buying a Veloster n don’t care about interior quality. It’s supposed to feel cheap because sit supposed to be cheap and fast. Thats it’s job.
Great Father-Son rivalry. As far as the cars, I’m 6’1 and fit well in the soft-top Miata. That being said unless you require more than 2 seats, I think the better car is the one with aluminum underbody bits, a dedicated sporty chasis, the one that is lighter, the one with toe and camber adjustability, the one that has had its own racing leagues for years. Don’t get me wrong the Veloster is awesome. Especially it’s awesome soundtrack. Still, I say in this case Miata Is ABSOLUTELY The Answer!
Lies, the N with 275 runs 36k on their website and no dealer has one for less. 30k gets you 250hp not 275. Buy a used Ford ST or a new one if you can still find them. And the Mazda is trash at 39k, might as well get a GT car.
What country are you in?
I'm in Seattle. I'd like to know how you get a veloster N with the sport package for under $30k. They are still selling the N with only 250HP for $35k here at dealerships
I used to like the miata.. not anymore. You ruined it for me.
I own a 2016 MX-5 Club and I absolutely love the car and the insurance is very cheap, $50 a month. But I have to admit, it basically stays in the garage all winter. It only has 10,500 miles on it.
Don't need cup holders in a sports car. If you need a drink, you drive to a cafe.
Whatever next; toaster ovens?