I read somewhere that in Oblivion, Martin septim is the actual main character, not the player. Imo that makes it a little bit cooler that you're in the place of someone helping said main character
I think they were both main characters, Martin would have died in kvatch if the Hero of kvatch didn’t go in and stop the siege, cyrodiil would have been a pile of rubble if Martin didn’t turn into Akatosh and fight mehrunes Dagon
Martin Septim is the Akatosh/Anuic side of the main character while the Champion is the Padomeic/Shezzar side of the main character, interacting with eachother to create the Grey Maybe of the Aurbis/This game to ultimately create everlasting change in all of Mundus; In martin’s case he literally becomes an aspect of Akatosh to recreate the liminal barrier stronger than ever before and in the Champions case he disappears from the Dream (Aurbis) and literally becomes Sheogorath (The ultimate embodiment of change) and like shezzar remains in every mortal soul just like Shezzar disappearing to become the Spirit of Men’s undertaking. Not to mention that sheogorath is already heavily Padomeic, and in a lot of sources attribute him as Lorkhans Sundered Divine spark, and it isn’t a stretch as many other Daedra were created from the Sundering Of Lorkhan Nocturnal being one example; Namira the prince of corruption was literally the darkness in Lorkhans Heart b4 it was ripped out and became the Namira we Know today (Khajjiti Mythology) Ultimately Martin and the champion were two sides of the same coin similar to Anu & Padomey, one would not have succeeded without the other; The Champion is kind of forgotten (Like Shezzar) but ultimately it’s the champions presence and deeds that helps people reflect the significance in contrast to Martins Deeds; just how Anu uses Padomey as a way to distinguish himself & ponder it’s significance. In the end, the two are removed from the dream in some manner just like Auriel & Lorkhan after the Dawn Wars and in that end everlasting change is brought to the world and the fundamentals of the Universe Itself; The only difference is that their end results are in opposite order. Martin dies first opposed to Lorkhan dying first, the Champion’s consciousness remains semi intact after becoming a god opposed to Lorkhan who was shattered/Consciousness lost with Martin taking that place being lost/absorbed into Akatosh and who’s ultimate death would re-stabilize the world by reinforcing the Liminal barrier; just like Lorkhan who’s ultimate death would stabilize the earth bones and allow Mundus to become what it is today. Sorry for length, there was quite a bit of info to cover and i only showed some of it to cut down on length
Sidenote, i find it Kind of Beautiful How Dagon is attributed as The Destroyer of the last world (Lyg) Come to do the same thing as before, at one point the being known as Akatosh (Back then known as Auriel) at a time wouldn’t have contested to Mehrune’s ambition to destroy Mundus, he probably would’ve welcomed it alongside the other Et’ada, waging a literal war against The One who tricked him into it’s initial creation. Auriel slowly evolves and becomes the Akatosh we know now, in that time of the Worlds initial creation to present day he was once a god who despised creation and wished for its end to becoming a God that will do everything in his power to maintain the existence of that creation He may have despised being tricked into the Creation of Mundus but in that time has grown to appreciate it’s significance… at least for now *Cough* *Cough* (Alduin not being absorbed by the Last Dragonborn)
@@JoeyKane7 I honestly try my best, I just look into the lore of the games & especially watch different elder scrolls deep dives, Fudgemuppet is okay but they kind of just touch the surface, Their third Member Drew left the channel a while ago & created a solo channel *DrewMora* which is really good alongside various other smaller YT accounts
Dovahkiin was my favorite because I absolutely loved the concept of learning an ancient language to gain power and knowledge and having to pronounce it with a shout.
Would be better if it were in the right order Also to me at least I find it always super interesting what happened with the protagonists AFTER the game. Its kind of important to note that the hero of kvatch became sheogorath, since it doesnt just have a local effect like becomming the leader of the mage guild, but a global one and for all other future games. Good video!
Yeah you're right, was kinda worried people would click off since Arena wouldn't be as popular as Skyrim. But thanks for the feedback! Oh defo, gonna do full rundowns of the individual characters soon!
What makes it any more important than the other big DLC, Knights of the Nine? Those two questlines are not very compatible. It makes no sense for the DIVINE Crusader to help a Daedric Prince, especially when the Greymarch doesn't threaten Tamriel itself.
@@Aewon84 Thats the issue with open worlds like Elder scrolls, since you can play anything in your order, but Knights of the Nine came before shivering isles and I assume it should be played before it, but its clearly been stated that you become sheogorath by Jyggalag In the world itself the defeat of Umaril was definetely more important , but I meant it more like more important as a meta knowledge (and personal prefrence for what is more important to me :P), since every future depiction of sheogorath is the hero of kvatch.
Don’t forgot the Vestige! They fought molag baal, cutting him in half with meridias blade and saved tamriel, he also killed the false nerevar, saved the summerset isle, fought vampires in Skyrim and dragons in elsweyr. Probably the strongest elder scrolls protagonist ever
@@liquidbeans4209absolutely wrong, the vestige is a worthy protagonist just like all the other ones. Most of the hate ESO gets is just because it’s an MMO, let’s be real.
Whilst this was not EVERY elder scrolls hero, awesome video man. I have been a fanatic since Arena and thought this was very intuitive. There should have been: The Apprentice (Battlespire) Cyrus (Redgaurd) The Vestige (Elder Scrolls Online) The Forgotten Hero (Legends) Warrior (Blades), and the heroes of the travels series; Master Tunnel Rat (Stormhold) Hero of Dawnstar (Dawnstar) Soul of Conflict (Shadowkey) - Probably one of the most interesting ones! But of course thats only for us massive nerds and 99% of the viewers are only interested in Skyrim, maybe Oblivion and Morrowind at a push. None the less great work :)
Thank you! Appreciate the kind, constructive feedback! Will be taking a deeper look into everything you've suggested and defo plan on getting some videos out on these now!
@@GamingLORE_1 No problem man. Yeah exactly, could do a video on the heroes off all the spinoffs would be very cool. A lot of it is quite obscure though, like TES Travels Stormhold, a 2003 mobile game, no one really knows the lore behind it
Great video on all of the heroes of the Elder Scrolls series. Are there going to be more videos on RPG heroes like the Dragon Age Series, Fire Emblem Awakening, Fates, Three Houses and Engage, Divinity Original Sin 2, Baldur’s Gate 3, Dragons Dogma 1 and 2, the Fable Trilogy, Persona 3, 4 and 5, Kingdoms of Amalur, Diablo Series, White Kngiht Chronicles 1 and 2, Greedfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Fenyx Immortal Rising, Rise of the Ronin and South Park Stick of Truth, Fractured But Whole and Snow Day?
I read somewhere that in Oblivion, Martin septim is the actual main character, not the player. Imo that makes it a little bit cooler that you're in the place of someone helping said main character
I think they were both main characters, Martin would have died in kvatch if the Hero of kvatch didn’t go in and stop the siege, cyrodiil would have been a pile of rubble if Martin didn’t turn into Akatosh and fight mehrunes Dagon
Martin Septim is the Akatosh/Anuic side of the main character while the Champion is the Padomeic/Shezzar side of the main character, interacting with eachother to create the Grey Maybe of the Aurbis/This game to ultimately create everlasting change in all of Mundus;
In martin’s case he literally becomes an aspect of Akatosh to recreate the liminal barrier stronger than ever before and in the Champions case he disappears from the Dream (Aurbis) and literally becomes Sheogorath (The ultimate embodiment of change) and like shezzar remains in every mortal soul just like Shezzar disappearing to become the Spirit of Men’s undertaking.
Not to mention that sheogorath is already heavily Padomeic, and in a lot of sources attribute him as Lorkhans Sundered Divine spark, and it isn’t a stretch as many other Daedra were created from the Sundering Of Lorkhan Nocturnal being one example; Namira the prince of corruption was literally the darkness in Lorkhans Heart b4 it was ripped out and became the Namira we Know today (Khajjiti Mythology)
Ultimately Martin and the champion were two sides of the same coin similar to Anu & Padomey, one would not have succeeded without the other; The Champion is kind of forgotten (Like Shezzar) but ultimately it’s the champions presence and deeds that helps people reflect the significance in contrast to Martins Deeds; just how Anu uses Padomey as a way to distinguish himself & ponder it’s significance.
In the end, the two are removed from the dream in some manner just like Auriel & Lorkhan after the Dawn Wars and in that end everlasting change is brought to the world and the fundamentals of the Universe Itself; The only difference is that their end results are in opposite order.
Martin dies first opposed to Lorkhan dying first, the Champion’s consciousness remains semi intact after becoming a god opposed to Lorkhan who was shattered/Consciousness lost with Martin taking that place being lost/absorbed into Akatosh and
who’s ultimate death would re-stabilize the world by reinforcing the Liminal barrier;
just like Lorkhan who’s ultimate death would stabilize the earth bones and allow Mundus to become what it is today.
Sorry for length, there was quite a bit of info to cover and i only showed some of it to cut down on length
Sidenote, i find it Kind of Beautiful How Dagon is attributed as The Destroyer of the last world (Lyg) Come to do the same thing as before, at one point the being known as Akatosh (Back then known as Auriel) at a time wouldn’t have contested to Mehrune’s ambition to destroy Mundus, he probably would’ve welcomed it alongside the other Et’ada, waging a literal war against The One who tricked him into it’s initial creation.
Auriel slowly evolves and becomes the Akatosh we know now, in that time of the Worlds initial creation to present day he was once a god who despised creation and wished for its end to becoming a God that will do everything in his power to maintain the existence of that creation
He may have despised being tricked into the Creation of Mundus but in that time has grown to appreciate it’s significance… at least for now *Cough* *Cough* (Alduin not being absorbed by the Last Dragonborn)
@@korgclips868this is one of the best explanations I have ever read on this topic.
@@JoeyKane7 I honestly try my best, I just look into the lore of the games & especially watch different elder scrolls deep dives, Fudgemuppet is okay but they kind of just touch the surface, Their third Member Drew left the channel a while ago & created a solo channel *DrewMora* which is really good alongside various other smaller YT accounts
I just realized Oblivion and Skyrim are both about the Dragonborn stopping the end of the world
The hero from Morrowind is born in Cyrodill, "dragon born" before retcon
@@zacharysouza5392The Neraverine was born in cyrodial?
@@leviticusprime4904 we dont know. but he was a prisoner from the imperial city like the hero of kvatch
Dovahkiin was my favorite because I absolutely loved the concept of learning an ancient language to gain power and knowledge and having to pronounce it with a shout.
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The first four theoretically were alive at the same time. Ever consider that?
First!
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Would be better if it were in the right order
Also to me at least I find it always super interesting what happened with the protagonists AFTER the game.
Its kind of important to note that the hero of kvatch became sheogorath, since it doesnt just have a local effect like becomming the leader of the mage guild, but a global one and for all other future games.
Good video!
Yeah you're right, was kinda worried people would click off since Arena wouldn't be as popular as Skyrim. But thanks for the feedback!
Oh defo, gonna do full rundowns of the individual characters soon!
What makes it any more important than the other big DLC, Knights of the Nine? Those two questlines are not very compatible. It makes no sense for the DIVINE Crusader to help a Daedric Prince, especially when the Greymarch doesn't threaten Tamriel itself.
@@GamingLORE_1 Makes sense to start off with the newest ones then.
@@Aewon84 Thats the issue with open worlds like Elder scrolls, since you can play anything in your order, but Knights of the Nine came before shivering isles and I assume it should be played before it, but its clearly been stated that you become sheogorath by Jyggalag
In the world itself the defeat of Umaril was definetely more important , but I meant it more like more important as a meta knowledge (and personal prefrence for what is more important to me :P), since every future depiction of sheogorath is the hero of kvatch.
Quality content! You have a great storytelling vibe!
Thanks so much, appreciate it!
Don’t forgot the Vestige! They fought molag baal, cutting him in half with meridias blade and saved tamriel, he also killed the false nerevar, saved the summerset isle, fought vampires in Skyrim and dragons in elsweyr. Probably the strongest elder scrolls protagonist ever
The Vestige is silly, and ESO is just essentially fan art
@@liquidbeans4209absolutely wrong, the vestige is a worthy protagonist just like all the other ones. Most of the hate ESO gets is just because it’s an MMO, let’s be real.
I agree
Love elderscrolls lore videos. This is is great. Thank you
So basically in Morrowind you are the Lisan al Gaib.
Whilst this was not EVERY elder scrolls hero, awesome video man. I have been a fanatic since Arena and thought this was very intuitive. There should have been:
The Apprentice (Battlespire)
Cyrus (Redgaurd)
The Vestige (Elder Scrolls Online)
The Forgotten Hero (Legends)
Warrior (Blades), and the heroes of the travels series;
Master Tunnel Rat (Stormhold)
Hero of Dawnstar (Dawnstar)
Soul of Conflict (Shadowkey) - Probably one of the most interesting ones!
But of course thats only for us massive nerds and 99% of the viewers are only interested in Skyrim, maybe Oblivion and Morrowind at a push. None the less great work :)
Thank you! Appreciate the kind, constructive feedback! Will be taking a deeper look into everything you've suggested and defo plan on getting some videos out on these now!
@@GamingLORE_1 No problem man. Yeah exactly, could do a video on the heroes off all the spinoffs would be very cool. A lot of it is quite obscure though, like TES Travels Stormhold, a 2003 mobile game, no one really knows the lore behind it
Great video on all of the heroes of the Elder Scrolls series. Are there going to be more videos on RPG heroes like the Dragon Age Series, Fire Emblem Awakening, Fates, Three Houses and Engage, Divinity Original Sin 2, Baldur’s Gate 3, Dragons Dogma 1 and 2, the Fable Trilogy, Persona 3, 4 and 5, Kingdoms of Amalur, Diablo Series, White Kngiht Chronicles 1 and 2, Greedfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Fenyx Immortal Rising, Rise of the Ronin and South Park Stick of Truth, Fractured But Whole and Snow Day?
Absolutely. A video on The Inquisitor from Dragon Age is releasing today and I should have a full rundown of Fen'Harel for next week.
@@GamingLORE_1 That’s good.
What was the thought process behind talking about the heroes in reverse order? It's like describing the plot of a book and starting with the epilogue.
Less people familiar with Arena would click off
Good video, but it would be better if you would place heros in chronological order. Also you forgot about Vestige from ESO
Yeah I agree. Went with the idea that less people familiar with Arena would click off. I'm still learning so thanks for the feedback ✌️
My favorite Hero is The Champion of Cyrodill (Hero of Kvatch)
No demigod incarnate, no powerful being, just a Hero becoming a Hero naturally
I also love the Nerevarine as well lol
He's not a god at first as least that is. And even then, each player character is an aspect of lorkhan.
@@breadslayer7442 to be honest, I halfy disagree with the fact that The Champion of Cyrodill legitimately became Sheogorath
@@xBsF14 then we shall agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Man I wish I played daggerfall when I was kid, story sounds amazing almost bg3 esk
Former Bethesda devs that worked on Daggerfall are making a game called Wayward Realms that is quite similar. You might like to check it out.
Its a shame we havent included stuff like eso, legends, and the travels series
Shout out to agent of daggerfall for breaking reality.
They need to remake ES 1-3 in todays engines. Do them justice
3 is fine
Oblivion had the best quests of any video game. Hands down.
Strongest Dragonborn of today vs the strongest Dragonborn in history
You forgot the Vestige of ESO.
Nice
Vestige??
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