Rogue has stated that they are currently working on an update that will disable the 3-second start. Once finished, it will be applied to the new bikes and pushed out to all previous purchasers of the Echo Bike.
Hey man, great review, thanks! Could you help me out with a measurement please on the Rogue Echo bike? Horizontal distance from the front tip of the flywheel cage to the rear of the seat runner? Thanks!
Looks like the there is a difference in the movement of the arm handles. Rogue looks like is has more of a downward movement as you pull the handles towards you while the Assault bike is closer to horizontal. Is this noticable when using the bikes?
Do you know how long the cranks are? The folks at Rogue have given me three different answers. Standard cycling length is 170mm. Rogue's answers are different than that.
Thanks for the great review! Just ordered the Echo!! Only thing that is disappointing is the price of the windscreen which is not shipped for free to Canada, that would have been an extra 85 bucks, makes no sense, just drop it in the box. Anyway, I can't wait to puke and I'll jimmy something for the wind if it's a pain and tuck it away when not in use because this baby is a work of art!!!
@@read2gainknowledge Yes and I rigged up a really cool windscreen with a piece of yoga mat. Also had an issue with one wobbly arm but fixed that too. Love the bike, let me know if I can help.
Totally. Rogue doesn't show much respect for their customers by splitting up the windscreen, bottles and phone holders. These things cost pennies to make.
Hello Joel, I really love your reviews. Me and my friend we want to buy some air bike. He wants the echo bike but I am afraid of the belt-drive system. I read some reviews which said that it doesn't work well while the effort is hard. What do you think about the echo bike (quality) one year later? Thanks for any answer.
Here's a great review of Echo Bike after 2 years. TL;DR the belt system works excellent and lasts longer than the chain system. Start watching at 5min 20 sec. ua-cam.com/video/qvkoFargHaM/v-deo.html
Good review. Based on your comment before about echo will be hard for people at 5’ tall. My son 13 year old and I both are 5’2” tall. Would it be a problem for us? I also heard the echo bike handles are big, would be a problem for small people to grab them?
Hi, You mentioned MPH, can it be changed to Km/h? Does it also measure Metres? Also I am trying to find the shipping box dimensions, do you know them or where to find them? Great review Joel, thanks mate.
nzwalkabout to my knowledge it does not, but I know they have refined the monitor a little bit. If I had the guess, the box would be somewhere around 60x50x20”...fairly large from what I remember
Question...based on your comments about the handles being hard to reach and seat not moving up all the way, would this not be a good option for someone say...under 5'6?
Hi, thanks for this review. I have one question. I am 5ft 1in, would it be safe fir me to get the Rogue? I have read one review that says Rogue is not for short people.
That review would be right. Rogue has added more adjustments since this review but at its very lowest, it’s still kinda tough for shorter people. Not Impossible, but not a great riding position.
@@AMRAP thank you so much for the prompt and honest reply. So would you recommend the Assault Air Bike for short people like me and is Assault very noisy for a condo unit? Sorry for the many questions. Thank you.
My Assault Bike censor for the monitor has not worked from day one. I even replaced it and it still did not work. The screw that holds the clip for the censor was a wood screw. The hole is now stripped. I hate this bike!
There are 5 seconds of lag on the console. According to Rogue support this is normal. This makes short burst calorie targets inaccurate. This needs to be fixed to consider this bike for CrossFit games.
I recommend the Concept2 bikeerg. I got one for my parents and they use it all the time because they can exercise and watch tv. They had an air dyne and hated it.
For a 20 min just starting out workout how many calories can I burn for the 20 min? Another option is a less expensive air bike that requires little maintenance, doesn't squeak and would last at least 10 years, what would you recommend?
I ordered the exercise bike on January 7th and it arrived on February 12th. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The box must have been tossed around quite a bit because one whole side of the styrofoam was destroyed, and the other side foam was cracked. The Two zip ties holding the handlebars had broken loose and handlebars were loose in the box. There are two small holes in the foam on the right side of the handlebars, I guess from rolling around inside the box. Assembly was straight forward and easy. I am 6 ft 5 in 220 lb and the handlebars and seating positions fully adjustable and work great, I'm getting full leg extension. The noise level is very, very low and acceptable. The adjustment knob for the pressure on the flywheel works well also. The exercise bike is very well made, sturdy and easy move around. This is my first exercise bike and will keep me in shape over the winter. Update 3/19/21: when removing the sticker from the wheel, make sure you remove any sticker glue also. I thought mine was clean but I was getting a slight noise from the glue. Once cleaned off, its super quite. Also the monitor didn't work, tracked it down to the pickup device wasn't in the hole. Once I moved in the hole, it works fine. Do NOT put it in until it touches or it will damage the pickup.
I recently sold off our two ass bikes and bought two bike ergs. We looooove the bike ergs but I’m very curious how the echo compares in counting cals/meters vs the C2. Do I swap one bike erg for an echo 🤔?
I'm not quite sure how it compares to the BikeErg, but I'll grab one next. It's pretty similar to the Ass Bike, maybe a little easier or harder depending on who you are and what you use more of (legs/easier or arms/harder).
But you will have to wait. The Rogue Echo bike sells out about as fast as they restock so if you don't find out right away, you'll wait, and wait, and wait ad nausea...... I'd LOVE to have the Echo bike but I might have to go with the Air Assault instead because Rogue can't keep them in stock. I even had them send me a notification and before I could get one they sold out. This has happened since Feb of 2018, it's now Apr.
@@AMRAP look at the two rails that are part of the seat. at 4:19 it appears that you could loosen the bolt that clamps to those and move the seat an inch or two further forward. I might be wrong, but that is how you adjust "real bike" seats front to back.
Travis Diller you can move it forward, but you can’t move it as far forward relative to how far forward you can move the assault. You can’t see that from the video.
Hey everyone, as a mobile personal trainer I’m looking for easy transportable equipment. I have a golf TDI, don’t think I’ll get it in the car with the seats down.. Has anyone tried putting one of these on a bike rack to get around from clients houses?
I am turning 60, female and have to lose at least 35 lbs. Not in shape and looking for an air bike. Which would you recommend for someone just starting to get in shape again? I am 5'3, 164 lbs right now.
@@AMRAP 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂 your funny dude but atleast your honest with the elderly lady even though she'll lose weight quicker but for her age the bike might be too tough she should row
Here's a great review of Echo Bike after 2 years. TL;DR the belt system works excellent and lasts longer than the chain system. Start watching at 5min 20 sec. ua-cam.com/video/qvkoFargHaM/v-deo.html
Just used the echo bike for the first time 2 days ago and hated it. I guess I’m used to the assault bike but I just prefer the simplicity of it. It is also way more painful getting calories on the assault bike.
Oh man, is there no way to turn off that 3 second countdown @ 8:51? That is such a shame for what is otherwise such a beautiful upgrade to the Assault Bike! If there is no option to disable it then that's terrible!
Fernando Villasenor it actually only does that when you initially start the bike. When you do your other workout, it will pause automatically. All you have to do is to press the start button and continue where you left off. i think the pause is like 5 mins and it will automatically shuts off...no big deal really
Maybe some people just want to improve cardiovascular system for breathing and blood flow, not everyone is trying to lose weight. Just food for thought.
@@Fugitive136 Thanks for the reply. I just ordered an assault bike and it's coming next week. The only thing that worried me about it was people talking about the maintenance with the chain. But it just for my home gym for personal use. I'm hoping to have no problems with it but it does seem like a little more efficient than the Eco bike
@@lexg1455 You are welcome Carrie. You will love the Assault Air bike. It is commercial grade and will last you a lifetime. It is a very good investment in your physical health. There is little to no maintenance with the chain. You may have to adjust the chain's tension about once a year but it is really easy and takes no longer than a min or two to do. Two wrenches are included to aid you in the assembly of the bike. You can use these two wrenches to adjust the chain's tension. May I ask where you purchase the bike? I bought mine off Amazon 4 years ago for $1000. Soon after I bought it, the price dropped to $750 when they came out with the Elite model. Ouch!
Lol, he says that they're basically the same, and there's not much difference in the two, but then says the Echo bike is much nicer, and performs smoother, lol, make up your mind.
@@watermelonhead6525 Lol, look at that answer.. Who is dumb? Maybe research before you post even though this shouldn't require it moron. Watermelon head is correct name for sure..
Great video comparison! Thank you! I have made my decision to go with the Rogue Echo Bike!
Rogue has stated that they are currently working on an update that will disable the 3-second start. Once finished, it will be applied to the new bikes and pushed out to all previous purchasers of the Echo Bike.
I just bought my rogue airbike and I love it.
Excellent review! Keep up doing great work!
I have the assault bike and it has served me well. I have used it with great results. I appreciate your review. It was informative.
I hear these bikes are the holy Grail for weight loss one burns many many calories
I just bought me a AD PRO
@@mikegreen5502 You heard true. I have had my assault for over 4 years now and I love it. This thing is built like a tank.
yup Assault bikes last forever!
I'm sold on the Rogue!!!!!
Hey man, great review, thanks!
Could you help me out with a measurement please on the Rogue Echo bike? Horizontal distance from the front tip of the flywheel cage to the rear of the seat runner? Thanks!
Love that hoodie. I need a Ken one like it.
Looks like the there is a difference in the movement of the arm handles. Rogue looks like is has more of a downward movement as you pull the handles towards you while the Assault bike is closer to horizontal. Is this noticable when using the bikes?
I have issues where the heel of my Nano 9s hit the crank as I pedal on the assault. Do you think this will be mitigated with the Echo?
Love ur reviews Joel keep it up!
Thanks brother!
@@AMRAP which bike has higher resistance the Echo or the Assault or we're they both the same ???
How has the Echo bike held up so far compared to the Assault bikes?
Just got mine yesterday and it is a killing machine
Seriously, I got mine a week ago, did one of the 4 minute Intervals nearly died
So the Assault is better for shorter people and the Rogue for taller? I'm a 7 in the Assault seat height.
I just had surgery on my shoulder...can I just use the foot pedals on these bikes?
Do you know how long the cranks are? The folks at Rogue have given me three different answers. Standard cycling length is 170mm. Rogue's answers are different than that.
Thanks for the great review! Just ordered the Echo!! Only thing that is disappointing is the price of the windscreen which is not shipped for free to Canada, that would have been an extra 85 bucks, makes no sense, just drop it in the box. Anyway, I can't wait to puke and I'll jimmy something for the wind if it's a pain and tuck it away when not in use because this baby is a work of art!!!
did you order from rogue canada?
@@read2gainknowledge Yes and I rigged up a really cool windscreen with a piece of yoga mat. Also had an issue with one wobbly arm but fixed that too. Love the bike, let me know if I can help.
Totally. Rogue doesn't show much respect for their customers by splitting up the windscreen, bottles and phone holders. These things cost pennies to make.
this is going to be my next acquisition
Hello Joel, I really love your reviews. Me and my friend we want to buy some air bike. He wants the echo bike but I am afraid of the belt-drive system. I read some reviews which said that it doesn't work well while the effort is hard. What do you think about the echo bike (quality) one year later? Thanks for any answer.
Here's a great review of Echo Bike after 2 years. TL;DR the belt system works excellent and lasts longer than the chain system. Start watching at 5min 20 sec.
ua-cam.com/video/qvkoFargHaM/v-deo.html
Good review. Based on your comment before about echo will be hard for people at 5’ tall. My son 13 year old and I both are 5’2” tall. Would it be a problem for us? I also heard the echo bike handles are big, would be a problem for small people to grab them?
The assault bike is more suitable for your height.
Its not that heavy to move around. I was pleasantly surprised.
The Rogue just appears more robust
Is the assault bike elite as good as the echo bike
Hi, You mentioned MPH, can it be changed to Km/h? Does it also measure Metres? Also I am trying to find the shipping box dimensions, do you know them or where to find them? Great review Joel, thanks mate.
nzwalkabout to my knowledge it does not, but I know they have refined the monitor a little bit. If I had the guess, the box would be somewhere around 60x50x20”...fairly large from what I remember
Does the calorie counter on the Echo show partial calories (i.e. 4.1, 4.2, 4.3....) or just increase by full calories? Thanks in advance!
full calories
Is the distance between the pedals more on the Rogue bike? Is it possible to get measurements for both the Echo and the Assault?
I should have been more clear. What is the distance between the pedals (the part where your shoes go) on both the echo and the Assault?
Additionally...any opinion on if rogue will enter into the AirRunner game? Debating on an Assault vs. waiting for a potential Rogue.
TimsGym I’d get the Assault runner, you can find some used ones for a good deal, and it doesn’t get much better then that
I'd say no, but who knows at this point. Rogue can do anything they want.
admittedly my cardio is lagging, but 90 seconds at a moderate pace whipped my butt.
Question...based on your comments about the handles being hard to reach and seat not moving up all the way, would this not be a good option for someone say...under 5'6?
Michael Pietrzak you should be good...the only people that really struggle with this bike at my gym are around 5 ft
As Many Reviews As Possible so my wife at 5’0 would have a difficult time? That sucks
Hi, thanks for this review. I have one question. I am 5ft 1in, would it be safe fir me to get the Rogue? I have read one review that says Rogue is not for short people.
That review would be right. Rogue has added more adjustments since this review but at its very lowest, it’s still kinda tough for shorter people. Not Impossible, but not a great riding position.
@@AMRAP thank you so much for the prompt and honest reply. So would you recommend the Assault Air Bike for short people like me and is Assault very noisy for a condo unit? Sorry for the many questions. Thank you.
@@rgt2987 did you end up going with the echo bike or the assault bike? I’m also trying to see which one is better for shorter athletes.
Difference between 300 and 350 capacity for durability?
what about the durability?
My Assault Bike censor for the monitor has not worked from day one. I even replaced it and it still did not work. The screw that holds the clip for the censor was a wood screw. The hole is now stripped. I hate this bike!
There are 5 seconds of lag on the console. According to Rogue support this is normal. This makes short burst calorie targets inaccurate. This needs to be fixed to consider this bike for CrossFit games.
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As Many Reviews As Possible Can a person weighing around 420 lb, use Rogue Echo Air Bike or is this not possible, given the product's specs?
Yes Brian Shaw used it for his weight cut. He has a video on UA-cam about the bike and his weight cut. He weights around 440lbs.
@@fabianmolina7784 Thank you kind Sir.
I’m too broke to afford both of these bikes. Any recommendations on bikes that are similar to these with a fraction of the price?
Go on Craigslist and look for an older airdyne...you can usually find them real cheap and they'll still mess you up.
As a first time buyer for the home, which do you suggest for a senior and his family? Thanks
I recommend the Concept2 bikeerg. I got one for my parents and they use it all the time because they can exercise and watch tv. They had an air dyne and hated it.
Replacing a belt is way easier then a chain. Also the maintenance is not needed for a belt. 100 point for the belt driven system.
Have you replaced an echo bike belt?
For a 20 min just starting out workout how many calories can I burn for the 20 min? Another option is a less expensive air bike that requires little maintenance, doesn't squeak and would last at least 10 years, what would you recommend?
The Echo is virtually zero maintenance, very quiet, and I'm fairly certain will last for many years.
I ordered the exercise bike on January 7th and it arrived on February 12th. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The box must have been tossed around quite a bit because one whole side of the styrofoam was destroyed, and the other side foam was cracked. The Two zip ties holding the handlebars had broken loose and handlebars were loose in the box. There are two small holes in the foam on the right side of the handlebars, I guess from rolling around inside the box. Assembly was straight forward and easy. I am 6 ft 5 in 220 lb and the handlebars and seating positions fully adjustable and work great, I'm getting full leg extension. The noise level is very, very low and acceptable. The adjustment knob for the pressure on the flywheel works well also. The exercise bike is very well made, sturdy and easy move around. This is my first exercise bike and will keep me in shape over the winter. Update 3/19/21: when removing the sticker from the wheel, make sure you remove any sticker glue also. I thought mine was clean but I was getting a slight noise from the glue. Once cleaned off, its super quite. Also the monitor didn't work, tracked it down to the pickup device wasn't in the hole. Once I moved in the hole, it works fine. Do NOT put it in until it touches or it will damage the pickup.
I recently sold off our two ass bikes and bought two bike ergs. We looooove the bike ergs but I’m very curious how the echo compares in counting cals/meters vs the C2. Do I swap one bike erg for an echo 🤔?
I'm not quite sure how it compares to the BikeErg, but I'll grab one next. It's pretty similar to the Ass Bike, maybe a little easier or harder depending on who you are and what you use more of (legs/easier or arms/harder).
I can't wait to buy this
But you will have to wait. The Rogue Echo bike sells out about as fast as they restock so if you don't find out right away, you'll wait, and wait, and wait ad nausea...... I'd LOVE to have the Echo bike but I might have to go with the Air Assault instead because Rogue can't keep them in stock. I even had them send me a notification and before I could get one they sold out. This has happened since Feb of 2018, it's now Apr.
It looks like you can move the seat further forward on the ECHO. The seat is mounted too far forward on the rails and should be moved back.
Travis Diller you can’t, the seating position on the echo is always further back than on the assault
@@AMRAP look at the two rails that are part of the seat. at 4:19 it appears that you could loosen the bolt that clamps to those and move the seat an inch or two further forward. I might be wrong, but that is how you adjust "real bike" seats front to back.
Travis Diller you can move it forward, but you can’t move it as far forward relative to how far forward you can move the assault. You can’t see that from the video.
Not sure if you’ll see this BUT how much more room do they take up? We have a small gym so want to make best choice here.
Barely that much more, the footprint is bigger but realistically speaking they take up the same room.
The Rogue seems needlessly big.
Which to get? Assault or echo bike? Please reply! Need your opinion.
Echo bike
@@AMRAP Thankyou for this! Which is lesser maintenance?
@@ralph8uy Echo Bike *belt drive*
Powder coated in white would be nice.
I disagree
3 second start means as much as a rat's ass to me. I have been using air bikes for 30 years. But still good video, thanks.
PraiseDog they got rid of it in the new models
Hey everyone, as a mobile personal trainer I’m looking for easy transportable equipment.
I have a golf TDI, don’t think I’ll get it in the car with the seats down.. Has anyone tried putting one of these on a bike rack to get around from clients houses?
oh poo, that countdown really frosts my cookies!
I am turning 60, female and have to lose at least 35 lbs. Not in shape and looking for an air bike. Which would you recommend for someone just starting to get in shape again? I am 5'3, 164 lbs right now.
I recommend getting the Concept2 BikeErg. It's something that you're going to want to get on and ride v.s. the echo and assault are just miserable.
@@AMRAP 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂 your funny dude but atleast your honest with the elderly lady even though she'll lose weight quicker but for her age the bike might be too tough she should row
The Schwinn air dyne pro is the best hands down
I wanna see a review of these after 1 year of abuse.
Here's a great review of Echo Bike after 2 years. TL;DR the belt system works excellent and lasts longer than the chain system. Start watching at 5min 20 sec.
ua-cam.com/video/qvkoFargHaM/v-deo.html
Just used the echo bike for the first time 2 days ago and hated it. I guess I’m used to the assault bike but I just prefer the simplicity of it. It is also way more painful getting calories on the assault bike.
Please elaborate
What do you mean the simplicity of it? That makes slno sense whatsoever
For someone who is 5”3 , do you think assault is a better option than echo ?
Kaustuv Chatterjee I’m gonna go with the assault for around that size
does the rogue bikr handle shakes as m7ch as the xebex?
smilinjoe23 not even close...it's in a fixed position that can't be adjusted
As Many Reviews As Possible awesome! you know how loose the xebex hane bars are
smilinjoe23 yeah man, I'm constantly tightening them!
I'm so glad my box doesn't have these.
Your box sucks then.
Can you use this bike for like 20 minutes straight?
I wouldn’t want to but yeah you can
ordered yesterday :) sold out mins after
Oh man, is there no way to turn off that 3 second countdown @ 8:51? That is such a shame for what is otherwise such a beautiful upgrade to the Assault Bike!
If there is no option to disable it then that's terrible!
Fernando Villasenor it actually only does that when you initially start the bike. When you do your other workout, it will pause automatically. All you have to do is to press the start button and continue where you left off. i think the pause is like 5 mins and it will automatically shuts off...no big deal really
Maybe some people just want to improve cardiovascular system for breathing and blood flow, not everyone is trying to lose weight. Just food for thought.
A person could get a cheaper model of these and still be better then a regular exercise bike
Assault Bike Pro/Elite Console has Bluetooth and ANT+ connectivity. Don't think Echo Bike does.
The assault air bike with the chain drive is superior IMO.
Please elaborate
@@lexg1455 I have tried both. The Echo is belt-driven. The chain gives "me" more of a robust workout. hth
@@Fugitive136 Thanks for the reply. I just ordered an assault bike and it's coming next week. The only thing that worried me about it was people talking about the maintenance with the chain. But it just for my home gym for personal use. I'm hoping to have no problems with it but it does seem like a little more efficient than the Eco bike
@@lexg1455 You are welcome Carrie. You will love the Assault Air bike. It is commercial grade and will last you a lifetime. It is a very good investment in your physical health. There is little to no maintenance with the chain. You may have to adjust the chain's tension about once a year but it is really easy and takes no longer than a min or two to do. Two wrenches are included to aid you in the assembly of the bike. You can use these two wrenches to adjust the chain's tension. May I ask where you purchase the bike? I bought mine off Amazon 4 years ago for $1000. Soon after I bought it, the price dropped to $750 when they came out with the Elite model. Ouch!
Lol, he says that they're basically the same, and there's not much difference in the two, but then says the Echo bike is much nicer, and performs smoother, lol, make up your mind.
Personally I think you complained a lot, maybe you should send the rogue bike back.
But I’m sorry it’s just your opinion
Okay
Assault Bike! Chains last forever belts do not!!
? are you dumb. A chain is far less durable than a belt.
@@watermelonhead6525 Lol, look at that answer.. Who is dumb? Maybe research before you post even though this shouldn't require it moron. Watermelon head is correct name for sure..
it really hurts my ears why u put so much emphasis on t
why do you have to talk so loud, it has an echo
It has an echo because I'm talking in an open space. If I talk quiet you wouldn't be able to hear me. Acoustics 101.
Not spending $1,000 for a Concept bike.
Your broke ass can't afford $100. You can't even afford a profile pic, and that shit's free.
Echo Bike all the way.