Don't call yourself Norse Pagan until you read these!
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2020
- Looking at the different types of sources about pre-Christian Norse religion. Many pagans never progress past the storybook types of text when looking into their own religion. In order to get a deeper understanding, you have to look at the texts, poems, artifacts that our pagan ancestors were actually coming in contact with.
As a norse pagan of 10 years it does bother me how many people just use a wiccan understanding of norse paganism, or they just hit the surface of the mythology or the historical understandings without even trying to learn more deeply.
Many pass it off as "we know nothing" well that's not true, we know some things, so when your practice contradicts with what we know you can't just go around telling other people that it's how it should be done. We need to separate personal practices from historical practices and be honest about it with eachother. If your practice is not historical, that's of course alright, but we need to mention when our practice is not historically inspired.
There's nothing wrong with being a beginner, of course. But you got newbies teaching other newbies the wrong things and then they act like we are gate keepers for just trying to explain the basics of what we know from sources.
A gate keeper would be someone who tells how how you can and cannot practice as a norse pagan, I just believe educating your less informed peers is important, and I would hope the more knowledgeable would educate me in return(like you do quite well)
I'm pagan, would never call myself a 'Norse pagan' lol I do have Scandinavian DNA. Found out after becoming pagan. I do honour norse beliefs & the 9 noble virtues etc. The overlap of magic practice, spells, offerings etc. build better practice & lifestyle. After so much has been lost or destroyed, we should share practices, grow & learn. Really appreciate you taking time to do this channel! Genius!
I appreciate your channel sir. I jumped into this because I loved the warrior culture they had and how honorable your ancestors were and I just kept falling down the rabbit hole it's like you never stop learning, always a student. Thank you for all your knowledge.
I see you have Jackson Crawford's translation of the Poetic Edda. I love this one. He's got a channel here, as well, but you have to remember, his channel is for linguists, like me. Unlike me, though, he is definitely not a pagan. He's a great and entertaining scholar, but only as I said, as a doctor in old Norse linguistics.
Jackson Crawford's channel is fantastic. Even though he is not a pagan, he treats the subject matter seriously and without judgement. He is a great resource if you want some education in Old Norse as well. He also has a Patreon account.
@@chrisanderson3806 He's fantastic. I've been following his channel for several years. I was also following him on Patreon until I lost my job, and had to save the money. He's great.
I've just started listening to Joseph Crawford reading his translation of the Poetic Edda. Just the intro at the moment. But he's sounding good so far.
@@chrisanderson3806 I would love to see a collab video between this channel and his!
@@jbkhan1135 I'd love to see him, Crawford, Maria Kvilhaug(Lady of the Labyrinth), Arith Harger, Ocean Keltoi, and Wolf the Red do some interviews/ podcast/ collaborations type videos together. I think it could really help strengthen the community
Thank you. I appreciate your no nonsense common sense approach and searching through sources.
Thank you for your endeavours, I think you are on point (credible) and your passion shines throu, keeping it interesting! Im diving straight into the Elder Edda and watching your videos in between to keep motivated, works great! Actually understand the way sentences are build up and many of the words in old norse autonomically, as I speak a dialect of Hedmark, it is a real fun privilege. Love the way they combined words, such art of language.
Thank you for your videos, they are really informative🙂
Thank you! Just created the channel and lots more to come. Let me know about any questions and I can make some videos about it!
I enjoy listening to your videos, to appreciate my own indigenous ancestry through the Austronesian people, where the Polynesians come from.
To go deeper, check out the Rig Veda. Possibly the oldest writings we have from our ancestors. Our ancestors go much further back then the norse.
Was going to say the same thing. It shines light on the origins of many of the Germanic gods and myths. Learn about the Scythians and their cults (especially Mithraism) as well. Ynglinga Saga points to Aesir coming from right by the Black Sea in the heart of Scythian territory.
In the prose Snurri definitely suggests that the God's were a technologically advanced "family" from Troy/Turkey. I think this was just to cover his arse from the Catholic phucks though lol
Read the Prose for the first time, in Iraq, in 2007.
Read the Poetic, afterwards.
Keep a pocket Hovamol (Havamal) on me, most of the time.
I encourage reading Meditate, Meditatimg, training, and prayer, daily. ...also, apparently I was drunk while typing this, the first time.
As a growing Norse pagan I appreciate your channel and its honesty. Keep going, brother!
Kevin crossley Holland makes a good book on Norse myths . It may be childish but they're essential stories to the knowledge.
Think it helps to make the poetic Edda easier to understand.
EVEN THE BUDDHA SAID, "MAKE YOUR OWN SALVATION."
I thought I'd pipe in and say that UA-cam's captioning mis-captions "norse pagan" to "north pig." How's that for accuracy... :(
Kvilhaug's translation is completely unavailable. I have been looking for it.
But I am preferring to learn ON to do my own work. However, since none of us grew up with it, we will completely miss a lot of important nuance. Maria's translation of the names I think would be a huge stepping stone but unfortunately, it's a huge roadblock just to FIND the thing.
I think we have all we need if we can simply get all the pieces together. You can fill in the empty spots of an incomplete puzzle if you have enough to show you what it should have been.
Great video my Friend , Strength ,Honour and Respect to you !
i have one hell of a time reading poetry and understanding it. i won't give up.
The " Church " tried to destroy all Paganism , throughout the Centuries , but not all were converted , and some Families managed to keep their Older Faiths alive !
And im so happy about people TRYING TOO keep Older Faiths alive!
Yes great advice.. get beyond the superficial
Finding it very difficult to find good books on the subject, I've read alot where I can and have a good understanding but want to keep going, what in your opinion are the top 3 books for that?
Can you recommend the best translation for the Poetic Edda? Tried to buy a copy but Amazon has way too many versions. Thank you.
All of the Norse pagans that I know refer to themselves as Heathens.
@4:55 Did Snorri Sturlason write the poetic edda? I'm diving into Norse History/Mythology and want to learn more; I'm currently enjoying the wanderers Havamal by Jackson Crawford as I love the poems, they resonate with me in a very real way. I have recently followed your channel and watched a few videos and find your content extremely helpful especially book recommendations and reviews. please let me know the answer to my question if you get chance. many thanks, James
I think that was a brain fart. Snorri did not write the Poetic Edda. Those stories are much older…800s and 900s. I don’t even think we know who compiled the stories together into what we call the Poetic Edda today.
@@Kuratla thanks for your reply, I'm still reading the poetic Edda on and off going through the poems and sagas it's aweso stuff! 👍
Am still working my way through the Heimskringla!
Watch a couple of Marvel movies and call yourself Pagan 😂😂😂 Dont be so hard there are many Christians who cant quote a verse from the Bible too,, love your channel,, whats your opinion of the Havamal Book i listened to The laymans Havamal audiobook were he interpreted the poems into modern times in his own opinion of course but i found it refreshing cause to be honest reading it its very hard to grasp with the wording just wondering your take of it?
I wish I could afford to buy books, I do a lot of research online, as much as I can.. as a single mom, it’s Soo hard to get the books, and stuff I need for my craft.. but there’s a lot of good information here on YT
I just started reading the Havamal…
hey man from the perspective of a historian Im super critical about this genre of content on youtube and that bead in your beard in this specific video doesnt help lol but I've actually really grown to like your channel and am so impressed by all the work that you put into it... while there are some things I would maybe do differently out of my own reverence for the historical matter I still believe you are one of the best "viking influencers" right now alongside others like the Welsh Viking and that one professor from wyoming
thanks for all your work
I just ordered a poetic Edda I'm excited as hell I got mine with an audio book cause I can't sit still and read something in silence without going crazy😂😂
I grew up going to Sunday school and church, til the age of about 9 years old. At various times throughout my 56 years on this Earth, I've gone through periods of returning to church, and finally, completely walking away from man made organized Christianity as a Religion by the age if 35.
I attribute that mostly to my ancestry, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cherokee and Sioux. My maiden is Fleming. Through my paternal grandfather, John Henry Fleming, it seems my ancestry has been traced bsck to Sweden circa 1010 to Folke Filbyter. I attribute the rest of my departure from "organized" Christian Religion to a specific recurring statement in the various books of the Holy Bible itself. Such as Exodus 18:11, 1 Chronicles 16:25,
2 Chronicles 2:5 and Psalm 95:3
"For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all Gods."
Notice, it does say 'above all false or Pagan Gods', but 'above all Gods". Which leads to the conclusion there were/are other 'true Gods' but The Holy Bible never expands upon who those other Gods are by NAME. The Holy Bible was written over too long of a time span, by too many people, written from each individual authors perspective based upon they're understanding and own interpretation and pretty much from a first person
persoective as told them by God. In other words, there 'truth' is written subjectively, not accurately, which makes it both a great work of fiction and non-fiction. Emphasis on the "fiction" part. I say that as a non practicing aka fallen Catholic. I became Catholic through marriage, my husband was born, educated in Parochial school to the 6th grade, and raised Catholic. He agrees with me. Jesus Christ was born and then suddenly he's a 32 year old Carpenter. Something seems to be missing in the middle.🤔 Christianity is a Patriarchal Religion. Though we all know Jesus' Mother was Mary, you have to really read the Bible to know that Jesus accepted female Disciples just like he did his male Disciples. Jesus was accompanied by women to his Crucifixion. It was women that prepared Jesus for His Tomb and his Resurrection was witnessed by women. They don't go over aby of that during sermons in church. Jesus was the first Equal Rights activist based upon the Bible.
Organized Religion was organized by Man. Tithing to the church is also man made. It does not appear in the Bible the way it is done in church. Tithing was sharing what you had and could spare food, clothing, etc. to help the poorest among you. It was not money. Tithing using currency has solely been for the benefit of the church whether it be Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist and so on. One of the most beautiful, ornate, complete with Gold leaf on the ceiling, is a Catholic Church which is dead center in Harlem, NY. The same is true of St. Petersburg in Russia. The Catholic Church doesn't shout that out though.
Thanks for sharing!
~ APRIL LIPKE
I guess I'm lucky. My first book was Futhark by Edred Thorsson. I used to own everything by him and his works under his given name. I'm pretty sure I had just about everything. Including the Runa series.
They are written by slappers from the history channel in the 18s
My only comment on this is that 1000 years ago everyone was illiterate - so I argue you don't need to read to believe - but you do need to have some semblance of the faith
There is more types of Paganism than Norse. I feel that to understand Paganism one should read the Medicine Wheel, by Chief Roy Wilson.
The reason being that spiritual beliefs have many similarities and arias of overlap.
The Medicine Wheel is in fact.
The Sioux SUN DANCE, (self sacrifice)
Is a branch of this. While it's not Norse
It may makes clear how it works.
I believe there is another deeper step to take, research folk lore of the Scandinavian and Germanic countries, even delve into Scottish, Irish, and English folk lore, they are full of ancient pagan customs you just have to sift through the other stuff in the folk tales. The thing I always tell anybody wanting to walk the path of a Heathen or Pagan is read consume the basic stuff and dive into anything you can that has to do with Folk traditions and consume it and sift out the bullsh!t
I'm a witch pagan grey witch and hedge witch
Seems like alotta people progress to is Rick Riordan books
Read'em all :)
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Can I be Scandinavian and worship the pagan goddess Juno
Yes, you can. Some "Norse pagans" may harass you but no one should try to tell you who to worship! Besides, ancient pagans were often quite open-minded about all of this.
You can worship who you like! Worship & honouring is different. Paganism has many expressions.
I'm reading the viking spirit now
Me too!
Larrington's translation is given more academic credit than Crawford. Crawford is easy to read, that's not necessarily a virtue. 🙏
Hi My Friend , I am Pagan , but do not call myself " Norse " , as I am an English Pagan ! , even so I have Read many books on the subject of Paganism .
Íslendingasögur is a good start
yes I'll be sure to read the comb
Snorri Sturluson wasn't a priest. He was a chieftain of a powerful icelandic family, he was a Christian though, either by choice or by necessity.
Snorri wrote the prose edda to preserve the old culture of poetry and oral tradition of the myths of the old gods.
Wether he was really a christian, and wrote his prose edda from that point of view, or he was writing the text in a way to avoid the wrath of the church, is debatable, but one thing is for sure, Snorri was not a priest.
And he most definitely didn't write the poetic Edda as you claim, although he of course was familiar with every poem in there and probably others that are lost to us
The poetic Edda was written down in a manuscript in the 11th or 12th century in Iceland, but based on linguistic evidence, the poems are most likely much older, probably from the 9th or 8th century
ses på valgpladsen bro
No one has the right to tell anyone what to think. That's the crime of Rome and Christianity!
Yo rock on!
I am norwegian descent, its fine for people to learn our culture but I dont like how everyone turns it into a cult and you must do so and so to be "accepted" our people learned Christianity and some of the Greatest vikings were Christians, the real Christianity was gnostic before council of nicea which the Roman's changed, you can be christian and enjoy norse culture, but the norse teachings are gnostic and have deeper meaning, not literal , just like people can read the Bible and misinterpret it, same can be said for these books he reccomends, people can interpret it wrong and still be misguided, this guy has good info historically but I dont like how he claims so and so the cult mentality, everyone is different and every creation like nature, is is incredibly short sighted to speak so highly of these claims as if you know have all the answers and anyone who says otherwise is not accepted
i disagree that you cant call yourself a pagan because you haven't got in depth knowledge, millions of believers of many faiths simply believe without questions, i think its more about what you feel in your heart, after all modern people cannot understand how the ancestors believed, they had no concept of what we now understand to be true and just like any faith or belief system there are those who are dedicated and pretend to follow every rule and those who just go through the motions, i stick with following my heart
Because this is the one "faith" that Christianity destroyed on purpose to keep keep just believing whatever especially newly converted
adont ever seems so defending bro i know u try but thei will never know thei are fails
What did Jesus See in the wilderness
Don't use the word pagan at all. The term Heathen applies specifically to the pre-christian relgious beliefs of northern europe.
i have no tatos im north born jante it aint a pop either u are raised on or u see the ligth sry bro for you hving to defend then thei dont know jante im a odin by my self
I love new languages but who teaches Norse. Please don't say DUOLINGO.
I tried that, it's torture in my opinion.
byw idiots ask me if u dare