Not every Christian is 100% close mined like me I have no problem with who or what you worship just as long as that person or group is a satanic worshipers then I won't mind talking and hanging and out and find common ground between us. Trust me ive went from being a Christian to almost having Norse religion as my own but it was not what I was supposed to be and I am a Christian again but one who understands a lot more then before
@@thunderhornmitchell7532 if I may point out something: "satanic worshipers" is a very generic term. I'm not a satanist, mind you, but there are a lot of people that call themselves "satanists" while their cult has nothing to do with Satan, but it's more close to the old celtic cult. While they still call their deity "Satan" it has nothing to do with the figure you're probably talking about, namely the evil ruler of hell and yadda yadda yadda xD Just a word of advice: next time someone tells you he's a satanist, try to look more deep into it, you may be surprised and perhaps find a good conversation partner
I’d much rather share the company of a man who can publicly laugh at his own religion, Over one that will publicly ridicule their company’s faiths for religious gain.
@@थोरउपासक For who they worship, Mormons have one and his wife. Nobody else. Mormons may believe they rule their own planet after death, but they don't worship other planets' leaders.
Honestly as someone who grew up agnostic and currently identifies as an atheist this is so cool. I've always found religion so fascinating from a cultural standpoint and it's cool to hear the perspective of a polytheist
I'm ag currently and I find religion fascinating although I could realistically never join one again cause reasons, but it is so interesting that humans behave this way. As far as we know, humans are the only ones capable of it. It is such an expressive concept
Same. I was agnostic/atheist but now I've been getting into paganism (and other polytheistic religions) after doing witchcraft (not satanic lol). However, I often look at things from a scientific standpoint as I wouldn't be able to put my faith into something without some sort of explanation. For me, gods/goddesses/deities are just personifications of certain energies (except for ones that were once alive). I'd honestly love to just ask random people about their religion, but I think it would be rude lol. Especially because I'm pretty neutral about religion. I don't necessarily think one thing is true and another thing is false, I just believe that religion is a person's explanation for things in the world and sometimes a form of moral compass or coping mechanism. I'd love to study the psychology behind it some day, though. It really is interesting.
I believe there are many gods. Over time our technology advanced and those gods died out or us humans eliminated them. But spiritually they’re here and helped humanity while some were like Hitler and some were like the devil. It doesn’t make sense for there to be only 1 god. Doesn’t make sense.
@@mykittenisaferociousnuggetyep exactly. Spiritual beings or race that roamed with us but one day disappeared bc we advanced our technology and people started believing into Jesus and allah. I also do believe Allah and the god Christian’s praise to is the same god but took differently like a telephone game.
As a Christian, I love watching videos about other religions. It’s just so fascinating to learn what others believe in, even though they’re so different. Plus, I’m Norwegian. So I’ve always felt a kinship with Norse Pagans, as their beliefs are also the beliefs of my ancestors. I love you guys!
Same, its also super interesting to learn about norse paganism because of the direct influence of christianity on the eddas, and the possible insight they give into non roman christianis
I'm somewhere along the spectrum of paganism and I love hearing about Christianity. I personally think that your religion is so interesting, and I admire the ability to put such faith into something. Religion is such an interesting thing, I could talk about it for hours.
My wife is catholic, she's mexican and Italian. I'm Norwegian and Icelandic, and we both accept and support each other's religion. It is so great to be able to share religion and accept others for having different views. We are all human and we all fight the battle of life!
"One of the perks of following the Norse gods is every once in awhile a Christian will call me a dirty heathen... In which case I get to say... 'yEAh!' " Best quote ever. 😂 Great video, Ocean.
@@sonofodin6164 no offense but that isn’t really Valid. Considering well Christian outlasted Vikings and well I’d hope everyone bathes so I get the point but it doesn’t really work.
@@elitevivid2475 ... No offense taken, of course, but... I'm not sure I get what you're saying... Like, Vikings *were* dirty because the Christians outlasted them?... I'm confused. Lol. And, actually, sorry to disappoint, but... Yeah, Vikings actually we're more hygienic than the Christian's back in their time. Vikings would bathe (at LEAST) once a week, if not more. They held high emphasis of things like bathing, grooming, combing hair, ect. Whereas the Saxon/English christians of their time thought bathing and such wasn't a good thing because it stripped your natural oils away from your body. So essentially, the Christian's would only bathe... Like... Once a month or so?? That's fucking GROSS. Lol.
Also in response to the last line: Most people see religion as a linear progression from polytheism to atheism, but really its a big ball of wibbly wobbly, faithy waithy... stuff.
In Slavic languages, what is funny, latin paganos became поганый (poganyi) which means dirty, bad and it's synonyms. So if heathen is synonym to pagan in some way, then "dirty heathen" in Slavic will be 'dirty dirty"
I really feel this one. I'm from the west coast but moved to Georgia a few years ago (for love.) It's quite a culture shock to say the least. (I can't wait to get out of here...)
All terms can be used. I like Asatru as a name, since it sounds like it relates to the Gods. But, at the same time... Heathenry is, for me, taking back the word from those who used it as an insult. Making it our word, is perhaps, one of the most powerful moves we can make.
I told a few friends of mine over and over again that I was a polytheist. I refered to "gods" plural on multiple occassions. I told them about my dedications to Athena. A few days ago I said I might get myself a necklace with a pagan/heathen symbol because while I wear owls all the time no one really associates that with Athena and they were like, "why would you do that?" To which I said, "because it will make me feel as if I'm part of a larger community and feel closer to the gods." And that's when they told me they thought I was an atheist and all this talk about polytheism/heathenry/worship of Athena was an elaborate joke. I genuinely thought I was out of the broom closet with them and they thought I was being edgey.
I follow Hestia, Virgin goddess of the first flame. 🔥 First born of the Greek gods, the first sigma.(lol) . I wear a wooden mesquite necklace around my neck because I like the look. . It was a branch I wrapped around my neck that dried out. . I'm mixed up with my faith but I believe all God's need love. . I mostly refer to Hestia and Hermes as God parents. . I ask people sometimes which 2 gods do you think blessed you and why. . If u want pick 4 at most. My last 2 are Hades and Persephone. . They also don't have to be Greek. (Just wanted to share and hear from others)
As an Icelander it feels so surreal to me to see how much the word Ásatrú is associated with the AFA outside of Iceland. Like, there's a whole country where that's just our word for Norse paganism. You grow up using it regularly in history and religion classes, join the Ásatrúafélag once you're old enough, etc. Then one day you google the word and get smacked in the face with white supremacists and neo nazis
Agreed it is pretty sad, however in America the term Asatru is left alone for the most part by white supremacists. However I have seen a lot of them in Odinism
It’s really awful. I’m your average white guy who used to find Norse and Norse related and pagan culture very interesting. I’m also transgender and disabled so though I’m still fascinated by the different cultural aspects, I don’t feel comfortable in the community at all and feel very on edge when I come across other American guys who’re super into Norse religions and history. So many awful experiences. It’s so disrespectful to y’all.
@oppaloopa3698 Hello! I am Amsrican and would like to say ignore all the dumbass bigoted idiots and just knock some of their teeth loose, I can help if you need it!
I enjoy the Heathen title, personally. Sometimes I do say "I am Heathen, a Norse pagan" as a clarification to others who might not know the difference between a heathen and a Heathen & gives them some kind of context to my belief system.
As a Christian I find all this to be fascinating, I believe everyone should be open minded and learn some bits and pieces of each religion. We all believe in something greater than ourselves and we should all respect that.
@@CD-vf7nf Do people regularly ask you the appeal of your religion? But yes, summed up, the appeal is I found something that resonated with me more than anything else.
"Asatro" is a well-established term in Swedish and likely the other mainland Scandinavian languages, to the degree that it's commonly used to refer to historical Nordic polytheism in school textbooks and such.
Thanks for the clarifications. Honestly I was part of an atheist community where many people used "heathen" and now I know that is inappropriate. I became interested in your channel because I attended the Midgardsblot Festival in Norway, and witnessed and was part of a lot of Norse pagan ritual which I found really exciting and inspiring. And I wanted to learn more about the community, culture, and terms. Your channel is great! I think I'm forming my own path as someone who still strongly identifies as atheist, but love the way ritual and shared beliefs can create community. Plus I'm a history/folklore nerd
Even if you don't believe in the metaphysical side of it, ritual and celebration can be great fun for everyone involved! Plus, it's always nice to see someone who doesn't believe like we do enjoying, and connecting with our myths and practices.
You are among the finest pagan scholars I've ever had the pleasure to hear lecture. . Thank you for this very eloquent analysis, clarifying the different emphasis of those who follow these different Nordic paths. I am a Gnostic Christian with strong interests in Celtic Reconstructionism, Advaita Vedenta, and Tibetan Bonpo Shamanism. Now, through the inspiration if your work, I have been compelled to delve into your path. I used to try to figure out how it all fit together, until years later I realized it doesn't! But I do feel that all these inner teachings of the different esoteric religions have validity at their own level, and all contribute to our universal human spirutual heritage, which is needed now more than ever. Hail to you, my friend.
"Find a way, or make one." I love that saying. Something I've lived by for some time now without placing words to it. You got yourself a new subscriber. Thank you for the information on the different labels for norse polytheism. I'm a recent convert and this has helped me figure out what I believe. Archetypal Pagan.
This is interesting. I am a Dane, and I use the term "Asatro" - Asatru. For most people I speak with, it is a generel term for the religion. Not meaning we only believe in the aesir, many still believe in multiple lines of Gods/goddesses and vættir. Obviously, there is many differences in paganism between America and Europe/Denmark. I am starting to understand exactly how different our religions are (yet, still somehow the same) by watching your videos. :)
Looking at the differences between the ways American and European pagans practice Heathenry feels reminiscent of watching the og Abrahamic church split into the Catholic and East Orthodox Church. We follow the same gods, only our specific practices differ, so as long as we stay true to the core of our faith, and are careful not to stray far from our roots, then our descendants will have a plethora of options when it comes to how they practice heathenry, should they choose to at all
My first intro to religion was my Apache/German grandmother, who went to church every time the doors were open, but in the very small (less than 300 people) village was jokingly called the witch . She taught me to not just accept the religion but to find yours and there were different ones that led to the same place . Little did that little four foot nothing woman know or maybe she did that she was my greatest guide and teacher. And still is.
Language is a funny thing. In Danish, I don't mind the word for heathen ("Hedensk") but in English I've always found out to sound wildly offensive. I don't like pagan either, but it's always a personal choice, of course. I also don't see our old beliefs as a "religion", because that word has certain connotations that doesn't really fit my idea of what the old beliefs are. To me, Asetro is more like a set of traditions to honour, rather than any organised faith. I suppose Hávamál is the closest we get to a guide on how to live life - even if there's no hard line on whether or not you'd be considered a practitioner or not, if you did or didn't follow the advice in the màl. But again, I think a lot of our preferences comes down to languages as well.
My main problem with the word "heathen" is that it doesn't exist i my language (French). It translates to the same word as "pagan", and the French word is closer to "pagan" than "heathen". So really, I can call myself either when I'm speaking English.
@@amaryllisnightingale6309 Yes, it's "païen", or "païenne" for a woman. I'd never seen "heathen" translated as "hérétique" before. You're right, it's sad.
I have heard a lot of Hellenic pagan women wear the labrys double headed ax, and a sort of crescent with the points downward ellipsis I forget what it's called. And I think there was one that men specifically wore as well. Or at least young boys. Maybe I should look it up before commenting, but I'm using speech to text and can't really do that right now.
@@susysnakegirl Careful with that though. The Labrys has been adopted by Lesbians as their symbol so if you are straight, that may bring some unwanted attention. lol
As an Atheist, I generally don't call myself a Heathen unless I'm looking to get a rise out of some narrow-minded Christian. But I love learning about other religions and the history and mythologies attached to them, especially pre-Christian stuff. I can honestly say I had no idea about the definition of Heathen and I will happily correct those that try to use it against me now with the way you explained it, and not apply it to myself so readily! Thank you for the information, it makes me want to learn more and I'll be watching more of your content as well as finding more on the topics you were only able to brush over in 11 minutes.
@@bananadirt That's true. The prefix a- is "without," as in "apolitical" to mean "without regarding politics." And "Theos" is the Greek for "God" (Roughly. Old languages hard.) So together, A-Theos, Without Gods.
@@bananadirt Yes, but some forms of paganism don't believe in a literal existence of gods. It's more a matter of a way to define social and cultural terms, using what they see as "mythology" to explain things that are hard to explain usually.
That song actually made it significantly harder to explain to the girl I was dating what I believed. When I told her I was a heathen/pagan (I didn't ever think then to say a Norse polytheist), she thought I was just being an edge lord or some other bullshit. Once I said I worship Thor, she just laughed and couldn't believe that someone would find faith in "characters from comic books". I haven't spoken to her in 8 years lol and life has been better
In America, me & my brother are apart of S.O.F (Sons Of Fenrir) an organization, or association or a clan if you may call it. We follow the Norse mythology. We really embrace the religion proudly. I appreciate all the knowledge you tell . Keep it up brother.
I love that in the comment section of your videos there's Muslims, Christians, Mormons, agnostics and obviously heathens lol and nobody's throwing rocks at others, rather they're exchanging opinions.
Been awhile since I watched one of your videos ocean. Love how you explain what I've failed to about our religion. It's been a decade (left a year after I was confirmed) since i asked myself "am I a Roman Catholic because I believe in it, or was told to believe in it". When I need guidance, I often find myself returning to your videos to learn more about our religion. I've read a little bit about it in a book of world religions my brother got. As soon as I started reading about the Norse pantheon, I instantly felt a strong connection to it. Great video and thank you for teaching me about many things.
As a Hellenic Reconstructionist myself, finding terms that others can understand is a big struggle. I definitely relate. I despise the term 'pagan' but have had to use it many times because they wouldn't recognize Hellenist, polytheist, Orphic, etc. The worst part is when they don't know what "pagan" means, and then it's just like "I'm actually not pagan, I just use that term because it's easier for the public to recognize." Nonetheless, it's always awkward trying to talk about religion which is why I usually opt not to talk about it altogether.
Another name you can use is Seidr. Which is basically icelanding for "The Way" or "The Tradition". In Sweden we use the term "Fornsed", which means ancient way/tradition.
If you're doing it right, you don't need a label. Just live in the world as it is and keep adapting. Historical wisdom can be of benefit, but learning to put aside things that drag you down or cause strife and find ascendant ways to face new challenges is the ideal.
This was honestly really cool. I’ve got a good friend in my school that converted to paganism earlier this year or last year so it’s really nice to get some explanations to questions I haven’t even thought of. Thanks for that
This actually brought up an interesting point for me. For me i have always seen heathen in a very different way to how you just spoke of it. This has actually changed my viewpoint on a few things. Thank you.
I’m a Christian, I have Norse heritage, even though I personally don’t worship or believe in the Norse Gods, I find them so cool to learn about. They had great craftsmanship, to my surprise they were very hygienic, I love learning about Ragnorak, Odin, Thor, Loki, and Freyja. They’re just badass in general
@@danielmcgregor1 Its no different than playing the oija board or having your palm read. Admiration for things unGodly is a step in the wrong direction. And I speak truth to sin, even if its uncomfortable. Better paranoid than forever in Hell.
The gods were and now are again worshiped throughout the Germanic world (Germany, England, and Scandinavia) so I hate to localize it by just saying Norse. Therefore I prefer to say either Heathen or Germanic pagan.
@@blurd6317 Germanic means Skandinavia, Germany (+Austria, German Switzerland, Luxemburg, Liechtenstein), Netherlands (+Flanders) and England are all germanic nations, with germanic languages. Germans are germanic, but not all germanics are german. So germanic is a much broader term than norse, which only refers to northern germanic people. And germanic paganism was only practiced by germanic people, so the term is quite accurate.
Also would like to point out that Norse Pagans will have heavier worship and belief for Aesir Gods and German Germanic Pagans generally worshipped the Vanir more. They also have slightly different namings for the gods like Wodanaz (odin), Thonar (thor). Practices and beliefs vary greatly among Germanic Pagans.
I like heathen because it seems more generalized that can describe a broad range of northern pagan traditions. Norse pagan seems very culturally and linguistically specific. Asatru seems specific to organizations, less grass roots.
Pagan is also very general and just means anyone who doesn't subscribe to the main and largest religions. For Germanic cultures you could say Germanic paganism.
Asatru is just based on Asetro (The danish word, there is also a swedish and norwegian word for it) and it literally means "Asa faith" or "faith in the Asa" (the gods).
When I use the word polytheist, people tend to take me way more serious. Heathen- you talked about the issue, ,most will think I am an atheist, If I say Norse pagan, some smile, saying "Marvel" and asking me If I worship Chris Hemsworth or T. Hiddleston... Joke aside, its a difficult thing, because especialy the norse paganism is so divided in how to live and practise the faith, its mindboggling. and there are the people who watched to much Vikings and thinking of themself as a new age Ragnar Lothbrock, or some badass warrior born in the wrong century, yelling ODIIIIIN on the top of their lung ( allfather may not be deaf!). calling themselves Heathens, and finally this highly despised political/race fraction which especially here in germany still makes you an outcast if you wear a mjolnir or have Runes on you. Or the esoteric wannabees who are running around in fantasy robes and calling themselves the TRVUEST seidr or rune masters ever seen and embarassing not just themselves but everyone who openly show his faith in the old gods. If somebody asks me, I say Norse heathen ,or polytheist.
Hey, fellow German here! Question out of curiosity; have you experienced any grief/ conflict due to wearing something Heathen related? I usually wear my Mjölnir necklace without issue, and I have some runic tattoos on me and haven't so far (thankfully?) had any issues because of it. The only thing I am aware of is if you display the Othila Rune you'll get in trouble.
@@blueignis764 Not in Person. Some strange, irritated and even afraid Looks from christians about my mjolnir, some interested questioned, but a friend of mine was asked If she knew that her Mjolnir Patch was a Nazi Symbol... And If I Look at some rightwing Protests, I See a Lot of Mjolnirs, Runes and norse Symbols. And some reenactors have met some overachieving anti- Nazi activists as well because of this scumbags
I get the same when others see my hammer around my neck, but not often. Some just don't even acknowledge what I said, which is preferable to me. My faith is my own. And honestly that's why I keep using Asatru as my term - because no fucking racist is ever going to co-opt that with true success.
I generally find way too many traditionalists, wodanists and outright racists among the people attracted to Norse paganism. Also, I believe most people in Scandinavia and probably all of you in Germany are aware of what happened the last time Nordicism was espoused plus one look at the Neo Nazi gatherings today is enough. Good luck distinguishing yourselves from the Nazis, is what I'm saying
I want to just leave this here; I thank you Ocean keltoi. I stumbled upon you, and from your videos, livestreams, and book recommendations I am delving deeper into my research of Norse heathenry/pagan. I made a comment before about being drawn to the religion due to really loving norse mythology, but was always scared to try to get into religion in general due to my experiences with christianty. I better understand there shouldn't be a fear to follow beliefs and religions that you agree with, and once I have space I'm going to happily make a prayer and alter to the gods. Thank you for helping me start to find my path towards norse heathenry.
That was very clearly and concisely put, thank you! I must say, I started out more in the reconstructionist camp, but have moved more into the Norse Pagan area as I have continued my studies in various areas of History and animism, etc. So yes, there is definitely a gradient between the terms. I still use heathen at times.
Thank you for a great channel. You are one of the few talking about our faith in a knowledgable way and gives good credibility. You often refer words in an Icelandic language viewpoint, and I get it. Icelandic and Faeroeic languages are as close to old Norse language of what we have today. I am Swedish although now in North Carolina. In Sweden, we use the word Asatro as a name for the faith, the word is 2 words put together, Asa, the Aesir and Tro, meaning belief or faith. In Sweden this was the name of those believing in the Norse gods long before the modern religion.showed up again. It has no political connections. To become a legally recognized religion in Sweden there are a number of prerequisites that has to be met. One if them is the amount of followers. It was difficult for the followers to get enough names on a petition so the national organization merged with those following Fornsed or Forn (ancient) Sed (customs) and you can see where the word Seidr comes from. Fornsed for us are not only the Seidr but it includes the presence Norse followers. Asatro or Norse Paganism is a official religion in Sweden, it means it could have its officials conduct marriages (legal), officiate funerals, the "church tax" part of income tax can go to your belief system instead of the Lutheran Evangelical church. Word Hedning for us means Hed, a big open area with usually nothing more than grass and low hanging bushes, rarely.any trees. Like a prairie but smaller. The ending ning as in Hedning (heathen) means it is someone from.such a place. It has till recently been used as a derogatory term for non Christian's and pre-Christians. Growing up in.Sweden it was used to talk about someone or a group of people not being followers of the Christian faith or Judeic faith. Even followers of islam would fall into the heathen umbrella. Cheers from North Carolina
I personally prefer the term 'Forn Sidr' or 'Forn Sed', which means 'the old way' because that's what our ancestors did. They practiced traditions that, although they changed over time like any tradition, had their origins in far ancient days when they were simply the custom as everyone in these cultures and regions understood it.
As an atheist, I find the old gods far more interesting and love reading about them, while I find the 3 abrahamic mythologies to be garbage. I feel that the old gods offered a more down to earth approach. I have wiken, christian, atheist and agnostic relatives, and my christian relatives tend to be the most close minded. And the handful of pagans I have encountered are far more open to the fact that others have other or no religion. And personally I would rather find that a pagan religion would be true over one of the big 3. I found your video to be rather nice to watch and was quite insightful. Sorry for the micro rant.
Same. Exactly the same. I’m always heavily against Abraham religions. Like the shit their god does is unforgivable but the claim it’s okay he did it. But other religions straight up call out certain gods for being vindictive asses.
I agree completely. The biggest issue with the abrahamic religions is that they simply aren't compatible with this world as we see it. I have yet to come across a somewhat good explanation for evil and suffering in a abrahamic world. God is allmighty, allknowing and allgood. And yet the world is build around suffering. Animals needing to eat other animals, children getting cancer, heck even just dolphins and whales being animals with LUNGS instead of gills, living in the water. None of that could be the result of such a god. And the only two explanations i hear for that are "Gods plan is mysterious", in which case any plan that includes giving thousands of children leukemia is by default not savable, or that it's our fault because of "The Fall". Which they usually don't realize is actually an argument against them. Adam and Eve only realized good and evil after eating the apple so they were essentially innocent children before that. They ate an apple they were told not to eat and that alone is grounds enough for an ALL-GOOD and supremely mercifull being to not only cast them out of paradise but create a world made for suffering, cast them and all their descendands out for all eternity, and then say that if even without any evidence to him being real they don't believe he's the greatest guy ever to exist in the universe, he will send them to hell to be tormented for all eternity after their death? That's a psychopath, not an omni-benevolent ruler. Now on the other hand the old gods are never said to be all-mighty, all-powerfull OR all-good. They are powerfull yes, more powerfull than any of us, but they're not infallible. That alone gives any of their stories more credibility. Because the world we live in simply couldn't exist if abrahamic religions were true. But the old gods faiths, they can. And that automatically makes them more interesting.
I understand your feeling, but I’d encourage you not to lump all people who believe in Abrahamic religious together because of your personal experiences. There are loads of open minded people in that category as they are close minded, but by generalizing you are replicating the failings of the close minded
@@EskChan19 ok this is an interesting point that I think would be fun to discuss. I am not of the Abrahamic religions but I’ll make a case on behalf of their god for the sake of discussion. Perhaps it may be of use to image that we were god or a god. Of course we could create an infinity of perfect creation, yet in a way a thing of perfection has simultaneously no value. A flawed creation of its own agency is of much greater interest and value. A creature of its own agency has the ability to achieve full potential. A creature of perfection achieves its potential and purpose without fail, and without the possibility of failure the feat has no value. Yet this flawed creation can only retain the capacity for full potential in the ambiguity of God’s existence. If we knew with undeniable proof that god existed, we would do things not because they are right intrinsically but because it is god’s will and our of fear for him. Yet perhaps the direct intervention or interaction with god is possible in antiquity when documentation of events is inherently impossible to prove, while now it would undermine everything. So you seem to make the case that an all knowing and benevolent god could not create such a world full of suffering. A world of disease, predation and other evils is the work of a psychopath. Well I would say that is a limited look upon our world, for the amount of abundance and resources and things that exist to make life possible and enjoyable exist is just as much if not more multitudes. We have everything we need for the vast majority of humans to live comfortably and well, and the fact that we do not is by the greatest majority human failing. As Marcus Aurelius said “there is providence and there is atoms” meaning we should be fortunate for all the means we have been given. And indeed while there is much adversity from the natural world, this adversity could be conceivably far worse. We could have been born into an multitude of worlds or varying amounts of scarcity, monstrous predators and heinous illnesses. Indeed humans themselves could have been constructed worse, with greater aggression or libido. Our existence could be infinitely worse. Yet you might say the world could be far better which is true. Yet utopia in itself is a hell of its own. Utopia without adversity ends in stagnation, lack of purpose and hedonism. A reality where all needs and desires are easily met and risk of adversity is low leads to degradation. One need look no further than history for evidence of this, as the aristocracy of nearly all human societies through time lived in such a reality. Yet in the protection of adversity and fulfilling of their needs while some tended to good and profound works, the majority acted only hedonistically and worse. And what is the purpose of such lives? Now you may say then that though the extremities of utopia and scarcity are undoubtedly bad, that perhaps god could have put our existence on a gradient closer to utopia than hell is better for all. Perhaps this is the perfect balance of good an ill for humanity to strive for fulfillment. For good is meaningless without evil just a achievement is meaningless without struggle. There could be fewer viruses but there could also be more. No viruses would unweave the balance however for viruses and bacteria are intrinsic to balancing nature and have their role. Yet for children exclusively to be spared of disease would be miraculous in itself and evidence of divinity which must be avoided. There is also the point to wonder to what extent god is an active designer and to which he is an observer. Perhaps his only work was to spark life on our planet and sentience within us. Or perhaps it is all apart of intricate design, or it could even be both and neither at the same time. Either way, again apparent divine intervention would undermine everything Going to another point I would say that a literal interpretation of the Bible is indeed silly and a shameful waste of the potential insight within the scripture. Looking at the Bible through an academic lens one can see an intricate web of metaphor and symbolism that is secularly remarkable. To take the words only at face value is a misuse of the text, which unfortunately many devout followers themselves fall prey to. Anyways this is merely an attempt to do I better than “god’s plan is mysterious” answer
Reminds me of the explanation i was given as a kid as for what happened when the christians meet the vikings/germans etc. For them Jesus was often probably just another god in a long list of deities. Their main point must have been: „A new good? Okay. Is he powerful? Where does he help? Can he protect me? Great. Sure, build a temple.“ This was derived from the fact? (Don‘t want to spread misinformation about such a nebulous part of our history), that before Odin, Tyr was the highest ranking god for quite some time, but when Odin was introducing he claimed that throne eventually.
As a Christian I've just discovered your channel and it's really cool! I'm a huge nerd and like learning about religion in general, both ancient and contemporary. Subscribed!
I’ve just stumbled across this channel while doing some more research on my beliefs ( Anglo Saxon paganism) I found this to be quite informative you have a new subscriber buddy keep up the good work may oden be with you
I appreciate your scholarly yet accessible way of explaining the differences. I am a Norse Polytheist that also works as an ordained "Christian" clinical chaplain (and former Army Chaplain) in a conservative community and often have the opportunity to educate folks about the differences of terms like pagan and heathen.
Interesting how this video was on my recommended... I’ve always had a strong gravitational pull towards Norse history and the gods and honestly feel they are just as real as any other. I’ve never been huge on religion (for myself or beliefs) but have always had an open mind and loved learning about different religions but the one that has grabbed my attention and felt tugged by was the old gods. I don’t know how to explain it but I feel as I’ve found something for me but don’t know how to pursue it or where to begin if I wanted lol.
Meditation...enlightenment, is a,or actually several hits,of Thor with the mjolnir...in Russian молния = lightning (= molnja=mjolnir)= enlightening...personal experience...thor used his hammer to resurrect = rebirth...we know these terms more from a Buddhist perspective/vocabulary but once experienced, it all points to the Norse gods...
I keep coming back to your channel. I was raised on these stories and beliefs it’s not new to me but I find you’re the only one I’ve seen that I can relate to and not get annoyed. 😆I was taught to refer to it as belief system not a religion I was asked why by a Christian and I just say because we don’t preach it we actually live it. He was shook and brings it up every time I see him. 🤣
I am so happy that a rabbit hole has led me down a path to finding your channel. I have been a hidden practitioner for some time, and just now recently opening up and being more free with talking about my faith.
I wanted to take the time, to thank you, for your perspective on the topic. You speak clearly, and are easily understood, which can sometimes be challenging, when you are listening to people, talk about the topic at hand. That's the difference, between knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge is intelligence, and wisdom, is the ability to explain that knowledge/intelligence. I just subscribed to your channel, and look forward to hearing more from you.
Came across this video randomly, but thank you for it. Very interesting and informative. I've recently been reading Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman and I really liked it. I'm myself an atheist, but I find polytheistic religions very interesting and fun. What I like about the Gods of ancient Greeks or Norse Gods is that they behave just like humans, they are not perfect and they can be malicious if they want to.
I just use heathen, though I rarely speak to anyone I know about my beliefs (discretion is required in small town Canada). I'm new here, I'm enjoying your videos.
So glad to have found this channel. Very informative to both problematic groups as well as general advice. I have only recently begun to follow heathenry and I very much so appreciate your content.
Very focused, straight forward, informative video. I often have trouble explaining polytheism to others; I'm glad to have found your channel my friend. Have a good day!
In Denmark we also use the term asatro. I'm glad to see our old believes being used. I think it's sad how scandinavia was open to other cultures and religions and how christianity took advantage of it, and how they've been through the ages towards our old believes/ways. And the funny thing is that christians in the nordic countries will credit the tolerance and good will to their religion, when it's actually the opposite, it's how the nordic people always have been, and that christianity actually was the complete opposite. I remember my wife's grandma couldn't understand how I wasn't christian with the high moral standards I had etc. (I was laughing inside and thinking do you really need someone to tell you how to be a good person in order to be one?)
I started practicing a few months ago and ive been saying norse paganism. This video is helping me define what i am. I have been a comic book fan my entire life and im worried my friends and family will just think im doing this because of the marvel thor or its not real because i was an atheist for a long time. Then i found a path that i wanted to walk. I just want to thank you because people like you are making it so much easier and fun to discover more about myself and my faith everyday! Keep informing and being great may odin light your path!💜
As a Swede, Asatru makes complete sense to me because in school, around 1998, I was taught about the Norse gods right alongside Christianity. The word my teacher, an older woman who has probably still never heard of modern worship of these gods, used was Asatro. And aside from my teacher, it's the word I grew up knowing.
Same here in Denmark in the early nineties. Although the officially recognized organization is called Forn Sidr. They still use Asatro (and Vanetro) to describe their beliefs.
I followed this one guy on tiktok cos he had heathen in his name but he was just posting atheist stuff and I was so confused cos I didn't know they'd stolen the term from us 😂😅
I think it's (at least partially) because how freely nilly Christians use this kind of terms. Apparently people become atheists bc they want to sin and praise Satan. And since all non Christian gods are devils then it's only "logical" to call them a heathens I personally prefer "apostate" - a runaway slave
As an atheist, I will make sure to STOP using terms like heathen to describe myself now that I know this is a thing - thank you for providing really valuable information on the subject!
The word Asetro has danish origins, it was coined by a very influential danish bishop from the national romanticism of the 1800 century, named N. F. S. Grundtvig.
I'm a newb at all this, and one issue I'm having in my personal journey is that I think I'm atheist. In that I find it hard to believe in gods as actual entities. That's one of the reasons I left the Christian faith. But I definitely feel drawn to Heathenry (or whatever you want to call it). I hadn't heard the term Atheopagan, I'll have to dig into that.
I have the same conflict going on myself I've been an atheist for about a decade and believe myself to be an atheist but I've found myself drawn to and captivated by the pagan/polytheist faith. Finding a desire to discover and follow these deity I feel an unexplainable connection to, but struggling within myself to get past my atheist ideologies and actually believe in their existence.
Same boat. Apart from a misguided, half-hearted attempt to alleviate my depression as a teen over a quarter of a century ago, I’ve never been comfortable with the notion of gods actually existing, yet I’ve been feeling myself being drawn to the pagan traditions lately. I may have to embark on a similar path myself and look into atheopaganism.
I have both Slavic and Scottish lineage. My religion is lost in both histories, swallowed by Christianity. I am desperately seeking information on these subjects. Thanks for the video man! Just another book in my library of mind.
My favorite quote from a movie, 13th Warrior. We all need to be this way. Herger the Joyous: We shall make prayers for your safe passage! Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan: Prayers to who? Herger the Joyous: In your land, one God is perhaps enough, but we have need of many! I will pray to all of them for you! Do not be offended! Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan: I will be in your debt!
This is a solid, well thought out, and great example of parsing out the many MANY dynamics and idiosyncrasies about belief on the subject matter. Great stuff!
"That rabbit has a clock" Lmao
ngl, I initially heard it as “that rabbit has a Glock.”
Admittedly, I would not go chasing that rabbit either, but for a very different reason.
I am SowiLo
How did you get that hammer in your name?
@@BrigantinosDoRoudos It's one of the perks for being a UA-cam member on Ocean's channel.
@@AppalachiaFolkWitch Ah, I figured. I was really hoping it was part of an emoji update
"if somebody treats you a certain way due to your religion, probably not someone you want to forge a friendship with anyway" very well said!
Eh, a group of friends with different believes that can make fun of each other and don't be harmed by it is as good as that. Or maybe even better.
I have the highest respect for truth seekers trying to break others out of delusions.
Not every Christian is 100% close mined like me I have no problem with who or what you worship just as long as that person or group is a satanic worshipers then I won't mind talking and hanging and out and find common ground between us. Trust me ive went from being a Christian to almost having Norse religion as my own but it was not what I was supposed to be and I am a Christian again but one who understands a lot more then before
@@thunderhornmitchell7532 if I may point out something: "satanic worshipers" is a very generic term. I'm not a satanist, mind you, but there are a lot of people that call themselves "satanists" while their cult has nothing to do with Satan, but it's more close to the old celtic cult. While they still call their deity "Satan" it has nothing to do with the figure you're probably talking about, namely the evil ruler of hell and yadda yadda yadda xD Just a word of advice: next time someone tells you he's a satanist, try to look more deep into it, you may be surprised and perhaps find a good conversation partner
tbh my best friend is Christian, and he gets me some awesome gifts which of course I have to return; No Christian gonna own this Heathen lol
I’d much rather share the company of a man who can publicly laugh at his own religion, Over one that will publicly ridicule their company’s faiths for religious gain.
Skål, lads. We shall meet in Valhalla.
Same!
Well said
I like this one.
or worst: kill you for make a cartoon of his/her prophet...
I was once called a godless heathen by a Christian in my unit.
I laughed and said ‘heathen? Yes. Godless? I have more than you’
Depends on who you talk too. The mormons might have outdone you in that regard😂
@@थोरउपासक For who they worship, Mormons have one and his wife. Nobody else. Mormons may believe they rule their own planet after death, but they don't worship other planets' leaders.
What unit?
@@F1reL1nk his unit.
I am stealing that!
Honestly as someone who grew up agnostic and currently identifies as an atheist this is so cool. I've always found religion so fascinating from a cultural standpoint and it's cool to hear the perspective of a polytheist
I'm ag currently and I find religion fascinating although I could realistically never join one again cause reasons, but it is so interesting that humans behave this way. As far as we know, humans are the only ones capable of it. It is such an expressive concept
Same. I was agnostic/atheist but now I've been getting into paganism (and other polytheistic religions) after doing witchcraft (not satanic lol). However, I often look at things from a scientific standpoint as I wouldn't be able to put my faith into something without some sort of explanation. For me, gods/goddesses/deities are just personifications of certain energies (except for ones that were once alive). I'd honestly love to just ask random people about their religion, but I think it would be rude lol. Especially because I'm pretty neutral about religion. I don't necessarily think one thing is true and another thing is false, I just believe that religion is a person's explanation for things in the world and sometimes a form of moral compass or coping mechanism. I'd love to study the psychology behind it some day, though. It really is interesting.
I believe there are many gods. Over time our technology advanced and those gods died out or us humans eliminated them.
But spiritually they’re here and helped humanity while some were like Hitler and some were like the devil.
It doesn’t make sense for there to be only 1 god. Doesn’t make sense.
@@mykittenisaferociousnuggetyep exactly.
Spiritual beings or race that roamed with us but one day disappeared bc we advanced our technology and people started believing into Jesus and allah.
I also do believe Allah and the god Christian’s praise to is the same god but took differently like a telephone game.
@@IconIcon-p9j That's an interesting view, it makes sense.
As a Christian, I love watching videos about other religions. It’s just so fascinating to learn what others believe in, even though they’re so different. Plus, I’m Norwegian. So I’ve always felt a kinship with Norse Pagans, as their beliefs are also the beliefs of my ancestors. I love you guys!
Same, its also super interesting to learn about norse paganism because of the direct influence of christianity on the eddas, and the possible insight they give into non roman christianis
Skål!
Me too.
I'm somewhere along the spectrum of paganism and I love hearing about Christianity. I personally think that your religion is so interesting, and I admire the ability to put such faith into something. Religion is such an interesting thing, I could talk about it for hours.
My wife is catholic, she's mexican and Italian. I'm Norwegian and Icelandic, and we both accept and support each other's religion. It is so great to be able to share religion and accept others for having different views. We are all human and we all fight the battle of life!
"One of the perks of following the Norse gods is every once in awhile a Christian will call me a dirty heathen... In which case I get to say... 'yEAh!' " Best quote ever. 😂 Great video, Ocean.
Being called a Heathan by a Christian feels like earning a badge of honour.
Who you calling dirty? 😄
@@alanb8884 Yeah, who you calling dirty, Christian?? At least Vikings bathed back in their time. 😂
@@sonofodin6164 no offense but that isn’t really Valid. Considering well Christian outlasted Vikings and well I’d hope everyone bathes so I get the point but it doesn’t really work.
@@elitevivid2475 ... No offense taken, of course, but... I'm not sure I get what you're saying... Like, Vikings *were* dirty because the Christians outlasted them?... I'm confused. Lol. And, actually, sorry to disappoint, but... Yeah, Vikings actually we're more hygienic than the Christian's back in their time. Vikings would bathe (at LEAST) once a week, if not more. They held high emphasis of things like bathing, grooming, combing hair, ect. Whereas the Saxon/English christians of their time thought bathing and such wasn't a good thing because it stripped your natural oils away from your body. So essentially, the Christian's would only bathe... Like... Once a month or so?? That's fucking GROSS. Lol.
Also in response to the last line:
Most people see religion as a linear progression from polytheism to atheism, but really its a big ball of wibbly wobbly, faithy waithy... stuff.
reminds me of that doctor who episode
@@MaxMustermann-ze1iv it should
not for those who really believe so why the jews didn't leave their religion since 3000 years
Do you really want me to kill my joke by explaining it?
@@1Ring42
I know what you mean it's not even a joke but not most people think that
"You dirty heathen!"
"Hey, I'm not dirty!"
"Yes I’m dirty. Your blood on me will make it a mess!"
"I shower regularly..."
I was until I took a shower, unless we are discussing the mind.....then yes dirty applies
In Slavic languages, what is funny, latin paganos became поганый (poganyi) which means dirty, bad and it's synonyms. So if heathen is synonym to pagan in some way, then "dirty heathen" in Slavic will be 'dirty dirty"
@@invivoik at least in Eastern Slavic like Russian or Ukrainian.
"Living in the south, that can sometimes be unpleasant."
FEEL THAT. Hahahaha. Being a heathen in the bible belt is sometimes pretty damn wild.
If I had a dollar for every time the scenario in the into played out...
Not from the south, but rural Midwest. So felt lol
I really feel this one. I'm from the west coast but moved to Georgia a few years ago (for love.) It's quite a culture shock to say the least. (I can't wait to get out of here...)
It's nice to see someone well-spoken and presentable talking about our faith. Good job.
All terms can be used.
I like Asatru as a name, since it sounds like it relates to the Gods. But, at the same time... Heathenry is, for me, taking back the word from those who used it as an insult. Making it our word, is perhaps, one of the most powerful moves we can make.
Pagan even more, for the same reasons.
@@geogeo2299 Absolutely. Regain the power of words.
@@1983SpringBonnie Or, the power to define _your_ words.
@@geogeo2299 That as well.
I love this take, you put it beautifully!
"Hold the heathen hammer high"
Great song by an even greater band!
Always.
"Heathen hearts, pagan pride"
I told a few friends of mine over and over again that I was a polytheist. I refered to "gods" plural on multiple occassions. I told them about my dedications to Athena. A few days ago I said I might get myself a necklace with a pagan/heathen symbol because while I wear owls all the time no one really associates that with Athena and they were like, "why would you do that?" To which I said, "because it will make me feel as if I'm part of a larger community and feel closer to the gods." And that's when they told me they thought I was an atheist and all this talk about polytheism/heathenry/worship of Athena was an elaborate joke. I genuinely thought I was out of the broom closet with them and they thought I was being edgey.
polytheism is far more focused and practical compared to utopian Abrahamic religions monotheism.
I follow Hestia, Virgin goddess of the first flame. 🔥
First born of the Greek gods, the first sigma.(lol)
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I wear a wooden mesquite necklace around my neck because I like the look.
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It was a branch I wrapped around my neck that dried out.
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I'm mixed up with my faith but I believe all God's need love.
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I mostly refer to Hestia and Hermes as God parents.
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I ask people sometimes which 2 gods do you think blessed you and why.
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If u want pick 4 at most.
My last 2 are Hades and Persephone.
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They also don't have to be Greek.
(Just wanted to share and hear from others)
quit trollin then again don't@@dandywaysofliving
🤦♀️ Ay yi yi
As an Icelander it feels so surreal to me to see how much the word Ásatrú is associated with the AFA outside of Iceland. Like, there's a whole country where that's just our word for Norse paganism. You grow up using it regularly in history and religion classes, join the Ásatrúafélag once you're old enough, etc. Then one day you google the word and get smacked in the face with white supremacists and neo nazis
I totally feel you on this. It's pretty messed up.
Agreed it is pretty sad, however in America the term Asatru is left alone for the most part by white supremacists. However I have seen a lot of them in Odinism
It’s really awful. I’m your average white guy who used to find Norse and Norse related and pagan culture very interesting. I’m also transgender and disabled so though I’m still fascinated by the different cultural aspects, I don’t feel comfortable in the community at all and feel very on edge when I come across other American guys who’re super into Norse religions and history. So many awful experiences.
It’s so disrespectful to y’all.
I am Asatru. I converted in prison. You all seem confused on prison use.
@oppaloopa3698 Hello! I am Amsrican and would like to say ignore all the dumbass bigoted idiots and just knock some of their teeth loose, I can help if you need it!
I enjoy the Heathen title, personally. Sometimes I do say "I am Heathen, a Norse pagan" as a clarification to others who might not know the difference between a heathen and a Heathen & gives them some kind of context to my belief system.
As a Christian I find all this to be fascinating, I believe everyone should be open minded and learn some bits and pieces of each religion. We all believe in something greater than ourselves and we should all respect that.
If more people shared your mindset on those of a faith different from their own this world would be a better place.
@@CD-vf7nf Ok. You do you, danny boy
@@CD-vf7nf Do people regularly ask you the appeal of your religion? But yes, summed up, the appeal is I found something that resonated with me more than anything else.
@@CD-vf7nf Time and advancement is not a straight line and black and white. Ever heard of the Dark Ages?
@@CD-vf7nf Which version of the bible?
"Asatro" is a well-established term in Swedish and likely the other mainland Scandinavian languages, to the degree that it's commonly used to refer to historical Nordic polytheism in school textbooks and such.
that's really interesting, I didn't know that!
@@OceanKeltoi It simply means "Belief in the gods", so it's very descriptive and therefore has sticking power.
@@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer I grew up around chrisianty but i converted to asatru because I found my self in the norse religion
@Trudy J okay in Sweden asatru is not an officiell religion
@@linusaman5858 It is though, there's one officially recognized organization that uses the term. But the largest organization calls it "Forn Sed".
Thanks for the clarifications. Honestly I was part of an atheist community where many people used "heathen" and now I know that is inappropriate. I became interested in your channel because I attended the Midgardsblot Festival in Norway, and witnessed and was part of a lot of Norse pagan ritual which I found really exciting and inspiring. And I wanted to learn more about the community, culture, and terms. Your channel is great! I think I'm forming my own path as someone who still strongly identifies as atheist, but love the way ritual and shared beliefs can create community. Plus I'm a history/folklore nerd
Even if you don't believe in the metaphysical side of it, ritual and celebration can be great fun for everyone involved! Plus, it's always nice to see someone who doesn't believe like we do enjoying, and connecting with our myths and practices.
You are among the finest pagan scholars I've ever had the pleasure to hear lecture. . Thank you for this very eloquent analysis, clarifying the different emphasis of those who follow these different Nordic paths. I am a Gnostic Christian with strong interests in Celtic Reconstructionism, Advaita Vedenta, and Tibetan Bonpo Shamanism. Now, through the inspiration if your work, I have been compelled to delve into your path.
I used to try to figure out how it all fit together, until years later I realized it doesn't! But I do feel that all these inner teachings of the different esoteric religions have validity at their own level, and all contribute to our universal human spirutual heritage, which is needed now more than ever. Hail to you, my friend.
I'm a Christian and love studying norse mythology, its very fascinating
You know to the Norse the god of the rainbow ,Heimdall is the same christain god ,in panthiest thought this is possible .
@@jasonmalin1010 That's pretty cool actually
Hey man ive read your book too a few times quite a trip.
For surest I’m in the same longboat 😂
Same here.
Hail to our ancestors
Hail to the Æsir
Hail to the Vånir
Wise words and healing hands while we live friends
"Find a way, or make one."
I love that saying. Something I've lived by for some time now without placing words to it. You got yourself a new subscriber. Thank you for the information on the different labels for norse polytheism. I'm a recent convert and this has helped me figure out what I believe. Archetypal Pagan.
This is interesting. I am a Dane, and I use the term "Asatro" - Asatru. For most people I speak with, it is a generel term for the religion. Not meaning we only believe in the aesir, many still believe in multiple lines of Gods/goddesses and vættir. Obviously, there is many differences in paganism between America and Europe/Denmark. I am starting to understand exactly how different our religions are (yet, still somehow the same) by watching your videos. :)
Looking at the differences between the ways American and European pagans practice Heathenry feels reminiscent of watching the og Abrahamic church split into the Catholic and East Orthodox Church.
We follow the same gods, only our specific practices differ, so as long as we stay true to the core of our faith, and are careful not to stray far from our roots, then our descendants will have a plethora of options when it comes to how they practice heathenry, should they choose to at all
My first intro to religion was my Apache/German grandmother, who went to church every time the doors were open, but in the very small (less than 300 people) village was jokingly called the witch . She taught me to not just accept the religion but to find yours and there were different ones that led to the same place . Little did that little four foot nothing woman know or maybe she did that she was my greatest guide and teacher. And still is.
"Sometimes Christians are like your a dirty heathen and I'm just like.....yah" 🤣🤣🤣 I felt that
I've learnt and understood so much more since finding your channel, thank you kindly.
Oh that’s cool didn’t know Heathen actually came from the sagas, shows how many I’ve read 😅.
Same!
I always thought that “Heathan”referred to someone that was not a Christian. Thank you for clearing that up for me!
It's actually very nice to actually see another Norse Polytheistic brother. This actually made my day.
Language is a funny thing. In Danish, I don't mind the word for heathen ("Hedensk") but in English I've always found out to sound wildly offensive. I don't like pagan either, but it's always a personal choice, of course.
I also don't see our old beliefs as a "religion", because that word has certain connotations that doesn't really fit my idea of what the old beliefs are. To me, Asetro is more like a set of traditions to honour, rather than any organised faith. I suppose Hávamál is the closest we get to a guide on how to live life - even if there's no hard line on whether or not you'd be considered a practitioner or not, if you did or didn't follow the advice in the màl. But again, I think a lot of our preferences comes down to languages as well.
My main problem with the word "heathen" is that it doesn't exist i my language (French). It translates to the same word as "pagan", and the French word is closer to "pagan" than "heathen". So really, I can call myself either when I'm speaking English.
@@joannajett2524 the word is "païen", right?
And heathen would be traducted the most closely to "hérétique", i think. Which is sad..
@@amaryllisnightingale6309 Yes, it's "païen", or "païenne" for a woman. I'd never seen "heathen" translated as "hérétique" before. You're right, it's sad.
@@joannajett2524 same here in Ireland the word heathen is págánach in Irish (Gaelic) which is Pagan..
Yo makker, I agree so much!
Your outfit in this is so fucking good
Makes me really want a Hellenic equivalent to the mjolnir necklace
thanks so much ^_^
@farorin you are correct, it's called a club of heracles necklace
I've seen Hellenic polytheists use the dodecagram, the twelve pointed star, which represents the 12 Olympian gods.
I have heard a lot of Hellenic pagan women wear the labrys double headed ax, and a sort of crescent with the points downward ellipsis I forget what it's called. And I think there was one that men specifically wore as well. Or at least young boys. Maybe I should look it up before commenting, but I'm using speech to text and can't really do that right now.
@@susysnakegirl Careful with that though. The Labrys has been adopted by Lesbians as their symbol so if you are straight, that may bring some unwanted attention. lol
As an Atheist, I generally don't call myself a Heathen unless I'm looking to get a rise out of some narrow-minded Christian. But I love learning about other religions and the history and mythologies attached to them, especially pre-Christian stuff. I can honestly say I had no idea about the definition of Heathen and I will happily correct those that try to use it against me now with the way you explained it, and not apply it to myself so readily! Thank you for the information, it makes me want to learn more and I'll be watching more of your content as well as finding more on the topics you were only able to brush over in 11 minutes.
You sound like an edgelord.
I think we can all agree radical Christians are annoying af. Those who don't try to shove their religion in your face are okay though
Isn't an atheist someone who doesn't believe in any god? No disrespect just wondering.
@@bananadirt That's true. The prefix a- is "without," as in "apolitical" to mean "without regarding politics." And "Theos" is the Greek for "God" (Roughly. Old languages hard.)
So together, A-Theos, Without Gods.
@@bananadirt Yes, but some forms of paganism don't believe in a literal existence of gods. It's more a matter of a way to define social and cultural terms, using what they see as "mythology" to explain things that are hard to explain usually.
"All my friends are Heathens, take it slow."
That song actually made it significantly harder to explain to the girl I was dating what I believed. When I told her I was a heathen/pagan (I didn't ever think then to say a Norse polytheist), she thought I was just being an edge lord or some other bullshit. Once I said I worship Thor, she just laughed and couldn't believe that someone would find faith in "characters from comic books". I haven't spoken to her in 8 years lol and life has been better
@@audunburns6270 sad story
In America, me & my brother are apart of S.O.F (Sons Of Fenrir) an organization, or association or a clan if you may call it. We follow the Norse mythology. We really embrace the religion proudly. I appreciate all the knowledge you tell . Keep it up brother.
I love that in the comment section of your videos there's Muslims, Christians, Mormons, agnostics and obviously heathens lol and nobody's throwing rocks at others, rather they're exchanging opinions.
just wanted to comment to comment. Appreciate the content and as always great work! Very helpful in narrowing down my own identification.
Been awhile since I watched one of your videos ocean. Love how you explain what I've failed to about our religion. It's been a decade (left a year after I was confirmed) since i asked myself "am I a Roman Catholic because I believe in it, or was told to believe in it".
When I need guidance, I often find myself returning to your videos to learn more about our religion. I've read a little bit about it in a book of world religions my brother got. As soon as I started reading about the Norse pantheon, I instantly felt a strong connection to it. Great video and thank you for teaching me about many things.
As a Hellenic Reconstructionist myself, finding terms that others can understand is a big struggle. I definitely relate. I despise the term 'pagan' but have had to use it many times because they wouldn't recognize Hellenist, polytheist, Orphic, etc.
The worst part is when they don't know what "pagan" means, and then it's just like "I'm actually not pagan, I just use that term because it's easier for the public to recognize."
Nonetheless, it's always awkward trying to talk about religion which is why I usually opt not to talk about it altogether.
Another name you can use is Seidr. Which is basically icelanding for "The Way" or "The Tradition". In Sweden we use the term "Fornsed", which means ancient way/tradition.
If you're doing it right, you don't need a label. Just live in the world as it is and keep adapting. Historical wisdom can be of benefit, but learning to put aside things that drag you down or cause strife and find ascendant ways to face new challenges is the ideal.
Yeah yeah cool video great points... but did you guys hear that 🔥 outro music!
Outro music is pretty sick
I don't have outro music, that's actually Chess making mouth noises as sound effects.
@@OceanKeltoi lies!
This was honestly really cool. I’ve got a good friend in my school that converted to paganism earlier this year or last year so it’s really nice to get some explanations to questions I haven’t even thought of. Thanks for that
This actually brought up an interesting point for me. For me i have always seen heathen in a very different way to how you just spoke of it. This has actually changed my viewpoint on a few things. Thank you.
Muslim here and I’m really appreciating the introduction and explanation of Norse religion.
Jason and the Argonauts was one of my favorite movies growing up. Great video Ocean!
Absolutely amazing descriptions! I would say after 10 years of working in the faith that you're doing a great job!
Thank you for opening the way in a positive, constructive fashion.
How am I just finding this channel... concepts broken down so well for my tiny brain. Thank you!
I'm glad you're enjoying it!
I find other religions fascinating. I don't come from a place of judgment but rather a willingness to learn.
I’m so glad I found this, I’ve been searching for the Norse religion, I want to further study and become immersed
Well, my channel is a good place for that.
I’m a Christian, I have Norse heritage, even though I personally don’t worship or believe in the Norse Gods, I find them so cool to learn about. They had great craftsmanship, to my surprise they were very hygienic, I love learning about Ragnorak, Odin, Thor, Loki, and Freyja. They’re just badass in general
thats how it starts, finding them cool. Admiration. eventually worship, and you then you have fallen from the True Faith.
@@dark5cythe545 oh please, just write paranoid on your forehead at this point.
@@danielmcgregor1 Its no different than playing the oija board or having your palm read. Admiration for things unGodly is a step in the wrong direction. And I speak truth to sin, even if its uncomfortable. Better paranoid than forever in Hell.
@@dark5cythe545 Things like this are the very reason I left the Christian faith
@@andrewsenecal6686just doing what the Devil wants you to do. After all, if you are not for God, who are you for?
The gods were and now are again worshiped throughout the Germanic world (Germany, England, and Scandinavia) so I hate to localize it by just saying Norse. Therefore I prefer to say either Heathen or Germanic pagan.
No disrespect to you but isn’t saying Germanic pagan also localizing the religion?
@@blurd6317 on a definitional technicality yes, but practically and realistically, no, because it wasn't the belief system outside the Germanic world.
@@blurd6317 Germanic means Skandinavia, Germany (+Austria, German Switzerland, Luxemburg, Liechtenstein), Netherlands (+Flanders) and England are all germanic nations, with germanic languages.
Germans are germanic, but not all germanics are german.
So germanic is a much broader term than norse, which only refers to northern germanic people.
And germanic paganism was only practiced by germanic people, so the term is quite accurate.
Also would like to point out that Norse Pagans will have heavier worship and belief for Aesir Gods and German Germanic Pagans generally worshipped the Vanir more. They also have slightly different namings for the gods like Wodanaz (odin), Thonar (thor). Practices and beliefs vary greatly among Germanic Pagans.
@@dustinmckavanagh exactly, but we don't feature in any Marvel movies like the Norse!
I am a Christian and I sometimes criticise you but DAMN is your channel a gold mine of insights into religious movement(s) I lack information about.
"Find a way or make one." That was good to hear. Thank you
If anyone ever calls you a "dirty heathen" just respond: "HEY! ... I'm not dirty"
"Your blood on me will make it a mess!“
I like heathen because it seems more generalized that can describe a broad range of northern pagan traditions. Norse pagan seems very culturally and linguistically specific. Asatru seems specific to organizations, less grass roots.
True, that's another thing. Norse pagan wouldn't be entirely correct for more southern Germanic cultures, but Heathen works fine for both.
Pagan is also very general and just means anyone who doesn't subscribe to the main and largest religions. For Germanic cultures you could say Germanic paganism.
@@smittoria ‘pagan’ still has offensive roots but some versions of norse paganism have names such as ‘Óðinn/Odinist’
Asatru is just based on Asetro (The danish word, there is also a swedish and norwegian word for it) and it literally means "Asa faith" or "faith in the Asa" (the gods).
@@DanishHellhound if I understand correctly, it was Edvard Grieg who first used the word Asatru to describe the pre Christian Germanic religion.
When I use the word polytheist, people tend to take me way more serious.
Heathen- you talked about the issue, ,most will think I am an atheist, If I say Norse pagan, some smile, saying "Marvel" and asking me If I worship Chris Hemsworth or T. Hiddleston...
Joke aside, its a difficult thing, because especialy the norse paganism is so divided in how to live and practise the faith, its mindboggling.
and there are the people who watched to much Vikings and thinking of themself as a new age Ragnar Lothbrock, or some badass warrior born in the wrong century, yelling ODIIIIIN on the top of their lung ( allfather may not be deaf!). calling themselves Heathens, and finally this highly despised political/race fraction which especially here in germany still makes you an outcast if you wear a mjolnir or have Runes on you.
Or the esoteric wannabees who are running around in fantasy robes and calling themselves the TRVUEST seidr or rune masters ever seen and embarassing not just themselves but everyone who openly show his faith in the old gods.
If somebody asks me, I say Norse heathen ,or polytheist.
Hey, fellow German here! Question out of curiosity; have you experienced any grief/ conflict due to wearing something Heathen related? I usually wear my Mjölnir necklace without issue, and I have some runic tattoos on me and haven't so far (thankfully?) had any issues because of it. The only thing I am aware of is if you display the Othila Rune you'll get in trouble.
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Not in Person.
Some strange, irritated and even afraid Looks from christians about my mjolnir, some interested questioned, but a friend of mine was asked If she knew that her Mjolnir Patch was a Nazi Symbol... And If I Look at some rightwing Protests, I See a Lot of Mjolnirs, Runes and norse Symbols.
And some reenactors have met some overachieving anti- Nazi activists as well because of this scumbags
I get the same when others see my hammer around my neck, but not often. Some just don't even acknowledge what I said, which is preferable to me. My faith is my own. And honestly that's why I keep using Asatru as my term - because no fucking racist is ever going to co-opt that with true success.
@@alukenbachauthor the skin heads locked up in front of me would disagree lol
I generally find way too many traditionalists, wodanists and outright racists among the people attracted to Norse paganism.
Also, I believe most people in Scandinavia and probably all of you in Germany are aware of what happened the last time Nordicism was espoused plus one look at the Neo Nazi gatherings today is enough.
Good luck distinguishing yourselves from the Nazis, is what I'm saying
I want to just leave this here; I thank you Ocean keltoi. I stumbled upon you, and from your videos, livestreams, and book recommendations I am delving deeper into my research of Norse heathenry/pagan. I made a comment before about being drawn to the religion due to really loving norse mythology, but was always scared to try to get into religion in general due to my experiences with christianty. I better understand there shouldn't be a fear to follow beliefs and religions that you agree with, and once I have space I'm going to happily make a prayer and alter to the gods. Thank you for helping me start to find my path towards norse heathenry.
That was very clearly and concisely put, thank you! I must say, I started out more in the reconstructionist camp, but have moved more into the Norse Pagan area as I have continued my studies in various areas of History and animism, etc. So yes, there is definitely a gradient between the terms. I still use heathen at times.
Thank you for a great channel. You are one of the few talking about our faith in a knowledgable way and gives good credibility.
You often refer words in an Icelandic language viewpoint, and I get it. Icelandic and Faeroeic languages are as close to old Norse language of what we have today. I am Swedish although now in North Carolina.
In Sweden, we use the word Asatro as a name for the faith, the word is 2 words put together, Asa, the Aesir and Tro, meaning belief or faith. In Sweden this was the name of those believing in the Norse gods long before the modern religion.showed up again. It has no political connections.
To become a legally recognized religion in Sweden there are a number of prerequisites that has to be met. One if them is the amount of followers.
It was difficult for the followers to get enough names on a petition so the national organization merged with those following Fornsed or Forn (ancient) Sed (customs) and you can see where the word Seidr comes from. Fornsed for us are not only the Seidr but it includes the presence Norse followers.
Asatro or Norse Paganism is a official religion in Sweden, it means it could have its officials conduct marriages (legal), officiate funerals, the "church tax" part of income tax can go to your belief system instead of the Lutheran Evangelical church.
Word Hedning for us means Hed, a big open area with usually nothing more than grass and low hanging bushes, rarely.any trees. Like a prairie but smaller. The ending ning as in Hedning (heathen) means it is someone from.such a place.
It has till recently been used as a derogatory term for non Christian's and pre-Christians. Growing up in.Sweden it was used to talk about someone or a group of people not being followers of the Christian faith or Judeic faith. Even followers of islam would fall into the heathen umbrella.
Cheers from North Carolina
I personally prefer the term 'Forn Sidr' or 'Forn Sed', which means 'the old way' because that's what our ancestors did. They practiced traditions that, although they changed over time like any tradition, had their origins in far ancient days when they were simply the custom as everyone in these cultures and regions understood it.
As an atheist, I find the old gods far more interesting and love reading about them, while I find the 3 abrahamic mythologies to be garbage. I feel that the old gods offered a more down to earth approach. I have wiken, christian, atheist and agnostic relatives, and my christian relatives tend to be the most close minded. And the handful of pagans I have encountered are far more open to the fact that others have other or no religion. And personally I would rather find that a pagan religion would be true over one of the big 3. I found your video to be rather nice to watch and was quite insightful. Sorry for the micro rant.
Same. Exactly the same. I’m always heavily against Abraham religions. Like the shit their god does is unforgivable but the claim it’s okay he did it. But other religions straight up call out certain gods for being vindictive asses.
I agree completely. The biggest issue with the abrahamic religions is that they simply aren't compatible with this world as we see it. I have yet to come across a somewhat good explanation for evil and suffering in a abrahamic world. God is allmighty, allknowing and allgood. And yet the world is build around suffering. Animals needing to eat other animals, children getting cancer, heck even just dolphins and whales being animals with LUNGS instead of gills, living in the water. None of that could be the result of such a god. And the only two explanations i hear for that are "Gods plan is mysterious", in which case any plan that includes giving thousands of children leukemia is by default not savable, or that it's our fault because of "The Fall". Which they usually don't realize is actually an argument against them. Adam and Eve only realized good and evil after eating the apple so they were essentially innocent children before that. They ate an apple they were told not to eat and that alone is grounds enough for an ALL-GOOD and supremely mercifull being to not only cast them out of paradise but create a world made for suffering, cast them and all their descendands out for all eternity, and then say that if even without any evidence to him being real they don't believe he's the greatest guy ever to exist in the universe, he will send them to hell to be tormented for all eternity after their death?
That's a psychopath, not an omni-benevolent ruler. Now on the other hand the old gods are never said to be all-mighty, all-powerfull OR all-good. They are powerfull yes, more powerfull than any of us, but they're not infallible. That alone gives any of their stories more credibility. Because the world we live in simply couldn't exist if abrahamic religions were true. But the old gods faiths, they can. And that automatically makes them more interesting.
I understand your feeling, but I’d encourage you not to lump all people who believe in Abrahamic religious together because of your personal experiences. There are loads of open minded people in that category as they are close minded, but by generalizing you are replicating the failings of the close minded
@@EskChan19 ok this is an interesting point that I think would be fun to discuss. I am not of the Abrahamic religions but I’ll make a case on behalf of their god for the sake of discussion.
Perhaps it may be of use to image that we were god or a god. Of course we could create an infinity of perfect creation, yet in a way a thing of perfection has simultaneously no value. A flawed creation of its own agency is of much greater interest and value. A creature of its own agency has the ability to achieve full potential. A creature of perfection achieves its potential and purpose without fail, and without the possibility of failure the feat has no value. Yet this flawed creation can only retain the capacity for full potential in the ambiguity of God’s existence. If we knew with undeniable proof that god existed, we would do things not because they are right intrinsically but because it is god’s will and our of fear for him. Yet perhaps the direct intervention or interaction with god is possible in antiquity when documentation of events is inherently impossible to prove, while now it would undermine everything.
So you seem to make the case that an all knowing and benevolent god could not create such a world full of suffering. A world of disease, predation and other evils is the work of a psychopath. Well I would say that is a limited look upon our world, for the amount of abundance and resources and things that exist to make life possible and enjoyable exist is just as much if not more multitudes. We have everything we need for the vast majority of humans to live comfortably and well, and the fact that we do not is by the greatest majority human failing. As Marcus Aurelius said “there is providence and there is atoms” meaning we should be fortunate for all the means we have been given. And indeed while there is much adversity from the natural world, this adversity could be conceivably far worse. We could have been born into an multitude of worlds or varying amounts of scarcity, monstrous predators and heinous illnesses. Indeed humans themselves could have been constructed worse, with greater aggression or libido. Our existence could be infinitely worse.
Yet you might say the world could be far better which is true. Yet utopia in itself is a hell of its own. Utopia without adversity ends in stagnation, lack of purpose and hedonism. A reality where all needs and desires are easily met and risk of adversity is low leads to degradation. One need look no further than history for evidence of this, as the aristocracy of nearly all human societies through time lived in such a reality. Yet in the protection of adversity and fulfilling of their needs while some tended to good and profound works, the majority acted only hedonistically and worse. And what is the purpose of such lives?
Now you may say then that though the extremities of utopia and scarcity are undoubtedly bad, that perhaps god could have put our existence on a gradient closer to utopia than hell is better for all. Perhaps this is the perfect balance of good an ill for humanity to strive for fulfillment. For good is meaningless without evil just a achievement is meaningless without struggle. There could be fewer viruses but there could also be more. No viruses would unweave the balance however for viruses and bacteria are intrinsic to balancing nature and have their role. Yet for children exclusively to be spared of disease would be miraculous in itself and evidence of divinity which must be avoided.
There is also the point to wonder to what extent god is an active designer and to which he is an observer. Perhaps his only work was to spark life on our planet and sentience within us. Or perhaps it is all apart of intricate design, or it could even be both and neither at the same time. Either way, again apparent divine intervention would undermine everything
Going to another point I would say that a literal interpretation of the Bible is indeed silly and a shameful waste of the potential insight within the scripture. Looking at the Bible through an academic lens one can see an intricate web of metaphor and symbolism that is secularly remarkable. To take the words only at face value is a misuse of the text, which unfortunately many devout followers themselves fall prey to.
Anyways this is merely an attempt to do I better than “god’s plan is mysterious” answer
Reminds me of the explanation i was given as a kid as for what happened when the christians meet the vikings/germans etc. For them Jesus was often probably just another god in a long list of deities. Their main point must have been: „A new good? Okay. Is he powerful? Where does he help? Can he protect me? Great. Sure, build a temple.“
This was derived from the fact? (Don‘t want to spread misinformation about such a nebulous part of our history), that before Odin, Tyr was the highest ranking god for quite some time, but when Odin was introducing he claimed that throne eventually.
As a Christian I've just discovered your channel and it's really cool! I'm a huge nerd and like learning about religion in general, both ancient and contemporary. Subscribed!
I’ve just stumbled across this channel while doing some more research on my beliefs ( Anglo Saxon paganism) I found this to be quite informative you have a new subscriber buddy keep up the good work may oden be with you
I appreciate your scholarly yet accessible way of explaining the differences. I am a Norse Polytheist that also works as an ordained "Christian" clinical chaplain (and former Army Chaplain) in a conservative community and often have the opportunity to educate folks about the differences of terms like pagan and heathen.
Interesting how this video was on my recommended... I’ve always had a strong gravitational pull towards Norse history and the gods and honestly feel they are just as real as any other. I’ve never been huge on religion (for myself or beliefs) but have always had an open mind and loved learning about different religions but the one that has grabbed my attention and felt tugged by was the old gods. I don’t know how to explain it but I feel as I’ve found something for me but don’t know how to pursue it or where to begin if I wanted lol.
I feel the same way, I do not know where to begin
Meditation...enlightenment, is a,or actually several hits,of Thor with the mjolnir...in Russian молния = lightning (= molnja=mjolnir)= enlightening...personal experience...thor used his hammer to resurrect = rebirth...we know these terms more from a Buddhist perspective/vocabulary but once experienced, it all points to the Norse gods...
I agree completely
That intro is epic You heathen. Laughs hysterically YOU HAVE NO IDEA
I keep coming back to your channel. I was raised on these stories and beliefs it’s not new to me but I find you’re the only one I’ve seen that I can relate to and not get annoyed. 😆I was taught to refer to it as belief system not a religion I was asked why by a Christian and I just say because we don’t preach it we actually live it. He was shook and brings it up every time I see him. 🤣
I am so happy that a rabbit hole has led me down a path to finding your channel. I have been a hidden practitioner for some time, and just now recently opening up and being more free with talking about my faith.
The intro alone has me hooked
As a Christin I must say I enjoyed this video, I’ve always found studying other religions fascinating keep up the good work. Sláinte
Was not expecting to find someone so articulate and concise on the “explore”, I am pleasantly pleased, I half expected a cringe rant. Thank you!
I wanted to take the time, to thank you, for your perspective on the topic. You speak clearly, and are easily understood, which can sometimes be challenging, when you are listening to people, talk about the topic at hand. That's the difference, between knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge is intelligence, and wisdom, is the ability to explain that knowledge/intelligence. I just subscribed to your channel, and look forward to hearing more from you.
Love your work
Came across this video randomly, but thank you for it. Very interesting and informative. I've recently been reading Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman and I really liked it. I'm myself an atheist, but I find polytheistic religions very interesting and fun. What I like about the Gods of ancient Greeks or Norse Gods is that they behave just like humans, they are not perfect and they can be malicious if they want to.
I just use heathen, though I rarely speak to anyone I know about my beliefs (discretion is required in small town Canada). I'm new here, I'm enjoying your videos.
The suit looks good on you Ocean. A sharp dressed man indeed!
So glad to have found this channel. Very informative to both problematic groups as well as general advice. I have only recently begun to follow heathenry and I very much so appreciate your content.
Very focused, straight forward, informative video. I often have trouble explaining polytheism to others; I'm glad to have found your channel my friend. Have a good day!
As a Norse Pagan from Iowa, USA thank you for what you do :)
I’m a Celtic pegan from Oklahoma. May your life be filled with joy and prosperity my friend.
In Denmark we also use the term asatro. I'm glad to see our old believes being used. I think it's sad how scandinavia was open to other cultures and religions and how christianity took advantage of it, and how they've been through the ages towards our old believes/ways. And the funny thing is that christians in the nordic countries will credit the tolerance and good will to their religion, when it's actually the opposite, it's how the nordic people always have been, and that christianity actually was the complete opposite. I remember my wife's grandma couldn't understand how I wasn't christian with the high moral standards I had etc. (I was laughing inside and thinking do you really need someone to tell you how to be a good person in order to be one?)
Also fun fact my daughter is called Astrid. ;-)
as a Norse Pagan who's main patrons are Tyr, Thor, Odin, Frigga, and Loki; you have earned a subscriber
I started practicing a few months ago and ive been saying norse paganism. This video is helping me define what i am. I have been a comic book fan my entire life and im worried my friends and family will just think im doing this because of the marvel thor or its not real because i was an atheist for a long time. Then i found a path that i wanted to walk. I just want to thank you because people like you are making it so much easier and fun to discover more about myself and my faith everyday! Keep informing and being great may odin light your path!💜
I found this both very interesting informative thank you
As a Swede, Asatru makes complete sense to me because in school, around 1998, I was taught about the Norse gods right alongside Christianity. The word my teacher, an older woman who has probably still never heard of modern worship of these gods, used was Asatro. And aside from my teacher, it's the word I grew up knowing.
Same here in Denmark in the early nineties. Although the officially recognized organization is called Forn Sidr. They still use Asatro (and Vanetro) to describe their beliefs.
I followed this one guy on tiktok cos he had heathen in his name but he was just posting atheist stuff and I was so confused cos I didn't know they'd stolen the term from us 😂😅
I think it's (at least partially) because how freely nilly Christians use this kind of terms. Apparently people become atheists bc they want to sin and praise Satan. And since all non Christian gods are devils then it's only "logical" to call them a heathens
I personally prefer "apostate" - a runaway slave
As an atheist, I will make sure to STOP using terms like heathen to describe myself now that I know this is a thing - thank you for providing really valuable information on the subject!
Thanks brother, idk why but people just don’t research or think outside the box anymore. Good works your doing keep it up!
Points noted. I had never really though of the meaning of a lot of this. Thanks for the clear and concise content.
The word Asetro has danish origins, it was coined by a very influential danish bishop from the national romanticism of the 1800 century, named N. F. S. Grundtvig.
I'm a newb at all this, and one issue I'm having in my personal journey is that I think I'm atheist. In that I find it hard to believe in gods as actual entities. That's one of the reasons I left the Christian faith. But I definitely feel drawn to Heathenry (or whatever you want to call it). I hadn't heard the term Atheopagan, I'll have to dig into that.
So as an atheist how will you worship godS!?
Maria Kvilhaug’s interpretation might be up your alley. Lady of the Labyrinth on UA-cam.
@@beasty_b6967 I tend to think of them more as archetypes buried in our collective psyche.
I have the same conflict going on myself I've been an atheist for about a decade and believe myself to be an atheist but I've found myself drawn to and captivated by the pagan/polytheist faith. Finding a desire to discover and follow these deity I feel an unexplainable connection to, but struggling within myself to get past my atheist ideologies and actually believe in their existence.
Same boat. Apart from a misguided, half-hearted attempt to alleviate my depression as a teen over a quarter of a century ago, I’ve never been comfortable with the notion of gods actually existing, yet I’ve been feeling myself being drawn to the pagan traditions lately. I may have to embark on a similar path myself and look into atheopaganism.
I have both Slavic and Scottish lineage. My religion is lost in both histories, swallowed by Christianity. I am desperately seeking information on these subjects. Thanks for the video man! Just another book in my library of mind.
My favorite quote from a movie, 13th Warrior.
We all need to be this way.
Herger the Joyous:
We shall make prayers for your safe passage!
Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan:
Prayers to who?
Herger the Joyous:
In your land, one God is perhaps enough, but we have need of many! I will pray to all of them for you! Do not be offended!
Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan:
I will be in your debt!
This is such a great video! Can’t wait to see what else your channel has to offer.
Idk why im here as an entire christian wiccan but this was very educational and cool as hell
There is also the term I like to use is Forn Siđr, which means 'old ways' in Old Norse.
In Denmark, the "official" religion is called that... though they support some of the more racist groups, so many dont want to be associated to them.
did i find a heathen youtuber who is not a racist atheist edge lord? fuck yeah, what a breathe of fresh air.
This is a solid, well thought out, and great example of parsing out the many MANY dynamics and idiosyncrasies about belief on the subject matter. Great stuff!
Just found your videos and I am sooooo happy I did - thank you for your clarity!