HOW DID PAM BEESLY BECOME SO UNLIKABLE - THE EVOLUTION OF PAM - PART 1
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- Why does everyone hate Pam Beesly? Why do people think she's the worst character of The Office? I have a love-hate relationship with Pam. So to find out how Pam became so unlikable I watched The Office and analyzed her character from season 1 to season 9.
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In this video, I did a character analysis of Pam Beesly, played by Jenna Fisher, from The Office. I watched season 1 to season 5 and analyzed the positives and negatives of this character. Of course, who doesn't like Pam from the first seasons. She is kind, funny, and sweet. We see her go through a tough situation when she kisses Jim Halpert and the love triangle becomes more obvious to us and Pam. As the seasons go by Pam's character is maturing and learning. Once out of the love triangle she starts to become stronger now that she is with Jim. But by season 5 something is not right. Something has changed. She has become annoying. Why did the writers do this? We will never know. But that is how Pam became so unlikable.
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I think the writers did her dirty. She started out as a witty, quiet observer. It's what made her interesting and mysterious. Almost like a stand in for the audience amidst the chaos of the other characters. But as the Pam/Jim drama continued, they made her more into a "girlfriend" stereotype - anxious, insecure, etc. I wish they'd let her stay laid back and cool as a wife and mom. But of course they didn't. Jim got to be cool, as a dad. But they really robbed Pam. It sucked as a woman to watch.
Jim and Pam both sucked towards the end. And honestly, on rewatch, you kind of see that Jim (while portrayed as the fun, "cool" one) was a bully and a jerk. Pam was quietly strong and gracious. I agree she became more of a stereotype later on, and an awkward annoying one at that.
i agree the writers did her dirty and wonder why people cant hate on the bad writing instead of pam
truth hurts? yeah. Authors just masterfully shown how woman can change when she think she owns a man and the situation and her REAL inside is out.
@@saku5464 yep Jim had to grown up too. But he managed. Unlike Pam which was this near to ruin his dream.
@@Kurskayaduga haha just say you hate women and move on.
I propose that her switch to the "dark side" happened after art her art show. Nobody from the office came to support her and she realized that her co-workers didn't care about her, so she stopped caring for them. That's when she started treating them with distain. But she did go a little too far with it and became too self involved.
Lucky we are that she didn't follow a political career. But Toby wanted to go. And Oscar went with his bf and said some mean but true things. Oscar said she couldn't be honest, wich made her be more honest, I think it was the next episode she made this decision. Also Michael ofc.
It's not true that no one came. Michael and Oscar came. And she saw them. Oscar was in the moment with Gil and probably didn't see her/couldn't find her - but she could have approached her. Yes Gil was chatting shit but she could have stopped him in his tracks.
Also and I feel like this is super important. Pam doesn't like her co-workers. Like, even a little bit. Why would she expect them to come other than her entitlement.
Michael is maybe to stupid to see Pam doesn't like him and supports him and Oscar and Gil are probably there for the "Art". How Pam got into an art show with those pics I'll never understand.
Pam's sense of entitlement about her art makes me heave a little bit. Her treatment of her co-workers actually makes me sick.
The chair episode is a great indicator of who pam really is, When the rest of the staff needs to come to a unanimous decision she strong arms them to get her way in what is a very manipulative way. It really shows how she only cares about others wants as long as it doesn't get in the way of what she wants
Which isn't wrong of course but its antithetical to who she says she is and who Jenna fischer says she is
Aren’t all human beings like this?
"In a very manipulative way" suffices. Saying "in what is a very manipulative way" is like adding water to make soup more flavorful.
So she’s a regular person. No one on earth is perfectly principled.
They were all "strong arming". Oscar and his grandstanding for a copier. And Jim and Ryan asking Michael out for lunch (which they would NEVER have done otherwise) in order to influence him was downright dirty!
No one talks about Pam bringing head lice into the office and blamed it on meridith
True that.
She didn’t blame it on Meredith she knew she had the lice but was too scared to say something
@@tazzy1453So, lie of omission. Pam is not the good guy here.
I liked Pam in the first 3 seasons, but then she completely changed when she finally got with Jim. She started out as this friendly quiet girl, then after she got with Jim she turned into an outspoken loudmouth know-it-all. Honestly I think it's because she took on a bit of Jim's arrogant personality after getting with him.
I have to agree. I have nothing against an honest confidence and forthrightness (as Karen was), but Pam was..not that. She went from quietly reserved but strong, to a near-bully.
She made that a personal goal, long before she and Jim ever dated. Maybe not being in a relationship where she felt trapped helped her as well.
i hated how jim treated dwight tbf, he was bassicaly a bully
@@moviemaniayt1dwight deserves
@saku5464 this! Karen was outspoken and confident, but she was direct with people. Pam was constantly passive aggressive and toying with Jim's emotions.
Her treatment if Karen set it off for me. But honestly it started right at the beginning, her constantly flirting with Jim, while being engaged. Yeah they didnt acknowledge it but very clearly what they were doing. And then gets to act all innocent. Just break up. And decides until Karen is there and she wishy washes her to finally find her voice?? Nah.
Right!!? Honestly I find it so messy and gross. The emotional cheating (as well as just obvious cheating) is through the roof with both Pam and Jim. And Pam really thought she was totally justified with “finding her voice” in front of Karen and not apologizing
for how wildly inappropriate it was. Like, girl you had your chance
I really disliked how she poached customers from the Dunder Mifflin salespeople (mentioned directly by Phyllis) and then was hired back on as a salesperson based on no real merit...
Then for her next promotion, she lied to Gabe about being the Office Administrator... It just annoying how she just fails upwards...
I also hate how Michael ask Jim his opinion on who should get the job... of course he's going to pick Pam. Ryan had no one advocating for him (and I mean it's Ryan it's kind of hard to advocate for the guy) but yeah. If Michael was left alone (because I feel like Jim initiated the conversation with Michael - like he does - taking over the conversation etc Ryan would have the job and Pam would be out on her ear.
She tries in MSPC because she has to but the minute she gets the job - she again took away from someone else - she stops trying.
@@KatieBeanz4eva Michael was advocating for him, like he always does -_-
I'm currently watching the show now ( I'm on season 3 in the middle) and I won't lie I really was interesting in their romance plotline at the beginning
But you know, when she left Roy at the alter I was thinking hmmm probably wants to be with jim now but they weren't together...ok. when Karen was introduced and my days I've already fallen in love with her. Her dynamic with Jim is so refreshing. Honestly like them way more than Jim and Pam. Also Pam has this really weird thing of when someone tells her something real she flips off on them. Really weird but anyways I wanna see more Angela and Dwight to be honest cause for me Jim and Pam are like Ross and Rachel and Dwight and Angela are like chandler and Monica
I never had anything against Pam until the 5th season. Oh lord, in season 6 she becomes even more insufferable.
She always wants everything HER way
Tbh it felt like Pam loved the idea of someone being into her without being able to be with that person. When she and roy broke it off and that phase with jim and karen began it really showed by how she treated karen.. the ego is crazy
The only thing i disagree with is your take on Roy. He was completely justified in getting angry about his fiancé kissing another man. I would have blown a gasket too
I also wasn't the first time. It's was just the one she told him about. No guilt about what happened at chili's.
Humility is such an underrated trait. People mistake it for being a doormat. She lost humility. That's what made her annoying, stuck up, selfish etc
The more I watch the series the more I dislike Pam. She relentlessly flirts with Jim whilst she is engaged, then she feigns shock when Jim reveals he has feelings for her. She actively tries to derail Jim's relationship with Karen. She goes with Michael, immediately regrets it, tries to poach clients from DM, then wants her old job back and doesn't mind displacing the employees that stayed. Then, ugggh.....the chair episode...she behaves like a spoiled brat. Here's my theory on Pam: she stays at DM because she loves the camera crews following her around because she's really a narcissist.
Just my humble opinion and it's just a TV show so it really doesn't matter anyway!
I cant stop coming up with examples of how she sucks. How many times did she throw Michael under the bus in front of Jan and David? No loyalty whatsoever, that sums Pam up perfectly. She tears everyone else down to build herself up. Not a team player
Idk man I feel like we’re watching different shows. How many times did she save/ babysit him (a grown man)? I think everyone is this show has fatal flaws but it’s a comedy. If everyone was perfect it’s suck. Like there’s no way you’re telling me Pam is worse than Angela or Kelly.
Ya'll are overthinking it. To me the reason is always that she was never funny. Sucked up screen time.
I think she did become bitchy in the later seasons, especially to Erin, rolling her eyes at her stupidity. I think once she got Jim, she thought she was better than everyone
Why does the narrator of this video sound like Angela 😁😁😁
Amm.. she doesn't. SMH
the narrator sounds like a female Nate
I liked Pam a lot in the beginning, because her situations were were relatable, you could see yourself in her and you genuinely wanted the best for her (and Jim). I personally still liked Jim when he was with Karen and I wouldn't have minded if they didn't end up together. Regardless, I was still very happy when we got to see their first dating period, engagement and so on. they just kept proving that they were that great couple while she still wanted to grow as a person. I think her character had a downfall when Jim and Pam decided to have Cece and their downsides became plain rude and annoying with them "using" Cece or assuming everyone loved her as they did (even faking it when Pam pretended she drew pictures for the others. it would have been bad if those were drawn by Cece already because it's pretty prideful to assume that a coworker would like a poorly child-drawn picture as an apology but they managed to make it even worse). Also her pregnancies, especially the second one, were ... I mean, yes, realistic but, in a way, "too much" and one dimensional. The only thing she could focus on were how they made her less lovable, when Jim had already proven countless times that he truly loves her. apart from that, Pam started to become rude and annoying while not growing. We know that she did not have good sales but how that thing got resolved? they never told us and that issue was never addressed. they took away all the good things in Pam that made her human and just left her downsides which rendered her a very unlikable character.
Pam is the worst
Yeah man
Angela*
Apparently being overconfident is worse than murder and poisoning a baby…. (Creed,Ryan)
@@jai2776Creed is the mysterious character nobody knows anything about so you never know wether he’s being serious or not. Nobody genuinely likes Ryan so what are you on about ? 💀
Worse than Todd Packer?
Karen was so perfect. It doesn't make any sense Jim choose Pam over her
Ridiculous. Perfect doesn't exist and who people like is entirely subjective.
Jim and Pam's history is what made him choose her, he saw her the way he envisioned her not for who she really was
If you binge watch The Office then yeah she does seem annoying...
Im sorry but i strongly disagree with you. Pam had those bad traits from the beginning but they kept getting worse. Shes also very passive aggressive. I really disliked her
Yeah I think this whole take was a bit in Pam's favor she was given a lot of as to why Pam did something or didn't do something. I find it completely ridiculous literally after Roy and Pam broke up after she left him from that point forward basically his life got better and if you look how her and Jim's relationship went once they were married she was trying to be so controlive of everything for her desires yet Jim was thinking about the future of them considering she didn't want him to get a job at the sports agency yet wanted him to stay Scranton at a failing paper company all she was thinking about was present and not the future and trust me there's a lot of things that Jim did too that are bad but Pam is worse
This was the video i was looking for where everyone is collectively hating Pam
PAMA-LAMA-DING-DONG
I don’t necessarily hate Pam, but reading all of these comments made me think that, as much of a jerk that Roy was, he probably could’ve stayed for both Pam’s development and his own.
One idea I had in mind was to have Pam still be the quiet, gentle-minded receptionist who is caring and loyal to her coworkers, but also somewhat arrogant and selfish when she feels threatened. That kind of behavior could have been caused by her being the underdog nobody amongst the higher-ranked, more outspoken members of the branch (especially Michael, who could keep his entire arc but still be a bit of an unintentional bully to everyone). She primarily dates Roy out of self-hatred and thinking that she has nobody else, but secretly has feelings for Jim-the only person who treated her as an equal and who loves her back.
Roy could keep his jerk personality and constantly belittle others out of his own arrogance, yet he is also heavily influenced by Michael’s behavior as well. With his relationship to Pam, he only saw her for being pretty and vulnerable and since she gave into him so willingly, he thinks that he doesn’t have to put any effort into the relationship.
We can keep the whole Jim-Pam “will they won’t they” thing up to the point when Jim confesses his love to Pam while she is engaged to Roy. Out of her own insecurity, she rejects him before he gets transferred to the upper branch where he meets Karen and begins a relationship with her fuelled by his heartbreak. When he returns to his previous branch with Karen (and Andy), Pam would become desperate to break them up due to her still having feelings for Jim, but around the season where the real counterparts would’ve been dating, Jim would still be with Karen and Pam would finally get the poignant message that Jim, while still best friends with her, had moved on.
Around this time, the entire drama of Michael and Jan’s failed relationship, as well as Ryan’s scandal and downfall would come into play. With all of this in mind, Roy would come to the realization of how easily his cushy position and his relationship with Pam could fumble if he is not devoted and careful. With Pam now heartbroken, Roy’s hidden softer side would come out and he would become more involved with helping Pam move on from Jim (and even hold off the marriage until they were ready). Acknowledging the mistakes he had made in the past, he would also start investigating his own talents he never knew he had (like singing and playing the piano), while Pam would start opening up to her hidden talent with art (maybe even as a way to fully express herself) and a fully-changed Pam and Roy would get married and have kids by the end of the series.
With this storyline, Pam and Jim could still keep their friendship (maybe have a new friendship develop between her and Karen) and the rest of the arcs could still be played out. The series could still keep it’s format of having deeply flawed characters without changing their personalities for the worst and also give the message of how negative people are able to change for the better if they give themselves the chance.
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I don’t hate Pam but I don’t exactly like her either. The worst she did was kiss Jim while still engaged to Roy. The whole thing about not supporting Jim is false, in my opinion. She was legitimately concerned that she was holding him back from pursuing his passions, which just so happened to clash with her own wants (happens a lot in relationships). When she told Jim she was afraid she wasn’t enough for him, he said she was and she and the family came before everything. She went by his word but when she noticed he actually wasn’t happy, she did something about it and they ended up moving anyway.
Honestly, for me Karen and erin (initially) were the best female characters in the office
Glad to see you back! I was so happy when I got the notification! Hope you're doing well. Also, happy Easter!
I don’t know what Jim ever saw in her. She’s just so blah.
As a person who relates to her not having courage and not finding my own happiness like her for the same reason, i kinda like her.
I really hate how toby was around her tho, before i really thought that michael hated him for no reason, but after 3 rewatches, toby is just a weirdo creep, especially around pam.
I prefer dwight over her anyday tho, but still i dont hate her or dislike her cause she and andg are most relatable for me(until they turned andy into an unstable, unsifferable loser).
I wish i can be like end of series pam and find my happiness.
I dont think she was that bad but when she was not supportive of Jim dream really didn't like her.
Also later on she mentions that when she was drunk at the Dundees that he kiss was intentional.
The one to dislike is Phyllis
I hate PAM!!
27:29 my girl woke up at 4am to make my lunch every morning when I printed the news paper
Never could stand Pam
Roy knew her talents.
Lol
4:32 ~ He would be right to be suspicious of Pam too
Im watching your video and think that you went to easy on her. Shes generally mean.
Jim was more talented than Pam.
Pam deserved Kevin .
And who do you deserve?
@@spicychickpea3477 a comment from you I guess 😅
“Pam deserved Kevin” is gold .. brilliant! 😂
Kevin is awesome. Pam deserves the sea monster
😂
In S5, there was a scene where Pam didn’t follow Michael out of a meeting room during a trip, and instead said what Michael did was “weird”. What really pisses me off is the fact that Pam has these unexplained insecurities, despite finally being together with Jim, resulting in her expressing cringe, little care, or both.
Nobody here knows what character growth is smh. Being more assertive and less like a shut in doesnt make you a bad person. Hating somebody for being more honest makes you a bad judge.
Okay thank you, i thought i was the only one who hated her... but also i watched waaayyy later than everyone.
Great videos 👍
LOL.. of course the woman who made this video thinks it’s “unacceptable” to physically challenge a man who moved in on your mate. Humans aren’t special amongst animals. It may be assault and illegal, but it isn’t without justification.
Pam is not the worst
Todd Packer truly is the worst
I liked her before I became an adult
Facts
Those who watched the whole office and know the whole story, and still like pam, Are the worst kind of person.
Howwww
Maybe you should do some internal reflection. You jealous?🤡
Such a small view of the world
@@maggieadams6831 you're the real world pam it seems.
I actually don’t understand. Creed was arrested for murder presumably (which he admits to). Ryan poisoned a baby to manipulate Kelly. Angela cheated the whole way through her relationship and engagement to Andy. Dwight committed arson. Name any character in the show and I’m sure there’s something detestable they’ve done. How is Pam the worst. Kelly faked a pregnancy, Pam just changed. Like people always change haha, we all have ups and downs. 😊
Jim is not that perfect person like everyone makes him be. He is a bully, condescending and really selfish
That's an accurate statement. On the surface he seems like a great guy, but if you pay attention to him closely he comes across as an arrogant, selfish, know-it-all.
I really started disliking them when they got together. And truthfully I found Dwight and Angela's love story a bit more interesting lol
Yes I agree totally. He despite being told by joe didn't give Dwight a chance to be manager.
And Pam LOVED that about him!😃
How is Leo? Glad you are back!!! 😘
I think all these comments are pretty nitpicky, as if the audience is expecting of a regular person to act with care and grace all their life, regular people can make mistakes, be selfish, lie, want to get their way... It's not about juxtaposing good and bad behavior, these behaviors come in a basket and we take the good and the bad when a person is decent enough
95% of this video is talking about how good she is ….
lets just remember that she didnt kiss Jim one time but two, the first one I get she was drink but then a second time and the worst is that she only told Roy about the second one, thats were I started to hating her a bit
I loved this video, I think every single point you make is spot on.
Pam was wonderful in the first few seasons, but Pam season 1 vs. 9 is like comparing khakis to zebras
The best video essays imo are the ones that voice opinions others already had but never really knew why they had them, and this did that for me.
Freaking fantastic job!
once she lost the frizzy hair she changed for the worse 😢
I started disliking Pam in the 3 season. Because then she starts ruining things for Jim
im on season 3 and i HAte her SO MUCH
She was still trying to get over her ex. She just needed time. I been there. Eventually she falls for jim❤ there was no love triangle. She was done with Roy and needed time to transition to jim
@@Angie_bae it's more of the fact that she just toyed with Jim and sabotaged his relationship with Karen
@@crimsonhartmanshe didn’t sabotage his relationship with Karen, Jim still liked pam more then he’d ever liked Karen it’s not pams fault that Jim still had feelings for her
@@tazzy1453 you can back her up if you want. But she manipulated Jim
Funny how a TV series character HAS to live up to your expectations and assumptions of them as a person.
It's what happens when a good person is treated bad for a long time. They kill their emotions and swing in the opposite direction, being too selfish. Most people go through some swinging motion in their life. But healthy version would be to end up in the middle.
Pam wanted more of Philly Jim and got upset when she got Philly Jim.
Pam had a good heart. If you haven't had children you'll problem say something negative out of ignorance and lack of life experience.
Wow i cant agree more with this video you spoke my mind
Continuity era you said that she would use her PMS as an excuse to not play doesn't mean she never did she could have still been like it said in later seasons and all star player but it just shows you her character that she would lie and manipulate others for her benefit. Interesting most people look at it that way and the way you take it is as a continuity era which could be valid
I keep trying to watch it but it's either too depressing, ridiculous or boring to be honest. The only reason I can see how people watch the whole thing is because the episodes are relatively short but for me, it's just funny because of its memes.
@8:23 who is that guy in the pink shirt? I've seen him before....I know he's real short but I can't place him. Anyone know?
It's interesting how both Jenna/Pam nor John/Jim were never involved in any of the production (writing, directing etc) like most of the others were.
Personally, I never understood "Kelly" or "Ryan's" characters or how they became so integral in the show's production (altho I know they're a real-life couple) I never found them particularly talented, especially Mindy. They never found their nitch or (character) role.
“No Neck Ed” from 90 Day Fiancé
Season 9 really destroyed her character for me I like her alot until that point besides that one kiss with Jim while she was engaged I don't think she did anything wrong until season 9 but in all fairness season 9 Jim isn't that great either
She kissed Jim on two separate occasions while she was with Roy. AND she kissed Asian Jim while she was with Jim.
@@allanshpeley4284as a joke 😂😂😂
whats up with 2:12?
She, for me, is the heart of the show. Good luck with the reboot, for its success will only depend on how successful they are in finding the new Pam. Pam Beesly is one of the great marriages of a brilliant character played brilliantly by an actor.
Nah. She wasn't a great character, although she could have been.
@@PearlsandRosesokay but honestly no one was good in this show, maybe Erin. I mean for every good quality in any of the characters I could point out 4 bad ones. Pam and Jim are just the closest to normal
THANK YOU. I agree with your assessment thus far. I adored Pam in the earlier seasons (1, 2, and 3 to some extent). I was all about P&J, will-they-won't-they drama. Pam became unbearable once she and Jim got together! And even before, although it didn't bother me initially, on re-watches I began to find her more and more unlikable. And it's definitely not because she gained "confidence" (I don't think she did- I think she became arrogant if anything). Karen is actually one of my favorites, and she's far from a shrinking violet. I appreciated how Pam was an excellent representation of a more reserved, thoughtful, non-controversial but not bland personality - those exist in the real world, but not so much on TV. She's attractive without being a bombshell. She's kind and most of all, gracious. You can completely understand Jim's fascination with and admiration for her.
By season 4, she took a sharp turn into...something else. Less patient, less thoughtful. I still liked her and the P&J love story on first watch, but on rewatch it's not very interesting. Pam and Jim's arrogance and condescension towards others in the office became very apparent too. Also- I'm with you so much on missing out on their first date, and the early stages of their actual relationship! As a hard core fan, I was so disappointed this was glossed over. I also have strong feelings about how the relationship reveal (to the audience), with the little "they're not, but they totally are" game annoying and unsophisticated. It was the first real misstep in their story (imo). I too found the PDA to be cheesy and somehow unconvincing, it just felt super forced. Maybe the writers were doing 'fan service' to make up for all the prior seasons' dramatics, but it really didn't work for me.
On to the next video...I appreciate all the work you put into making these! Cheers!
@@kewanali2054 Then don't reply?
How can people hate pam but not hate Angela or Phyllis? It doesn’t make any sense they’re probably worse then Pam I mean come on Angela literally cheated on two people with Dwight for crying out loud
Because those other characters are funny caricatures with many obvious flaws who are not supposed to be or are in any way portrayed as relatable or normal.
Pam and Roy were done to begin with. Jim was a life saver. This wasn’t a love triangle or cheatin in my eyes
So you'd stay in a relationship if you weren't happy (and could easily leave) just to kiss someone else. It is cheating.
@@KatieBeanz4eva "Could easily leave" is not reality for many people in relationships, even if children are not involved. Why do you think so many domestic violence victims remain with their abusive partners for years, sometimes even leaving them and then going back multiple times? The same can be true for non-physically abusive but miserable relationships. It depends on many factors and it can often take a long time for people to get to a point where they have the courage or make the firm decision to end a toxic relationship for good. Relationships are very complex and each one is different.
@@garym6338She cheated!😄Whether or not her reason to CHEAT was justified is up to you, but it doesn't take away from the fact that she was a cheater.
@@PearlsandRoses No, its not a fact at all.
It is definitely a fact Stanley cheated. He admitted to 3 affairs while he was married.
Most people would agree Angela cheated. She had sex with Dwight many times while engaged to Andy.
It is much more of a grey area whether or not Pam cheated though. Jim kissed her in the moment and she kissed him back while she was engaged to Roy. She never slept with Jim nor took it any further. Shortly after the kiss, she ended her relationship with Roy.
The dictionary used to define adultery as one person in a marriage having sexual intercourse with someone other than the person they were married to.
Now cheating in a relationship is defined much more broadly (particularly with rise of social media) without being limited to specific acts (sexual intercourse) and different sources consider what counts as cheating (infidelity) or not in a relationship differently.
What Pam did is in the grey area, unlike with Stanley or Angela.
@@garym6338 Yes, it absolutely is a fact that she cheated. What she did falls into the "spectrum" of cheating on someone she promised romantic fidelity to. And simply because you believe something falls within a gray area does not mean the person accused is free and clear of any wrongdoing. There was nothing positive about her engaging in a kiss with Jim while in a relationship with Roy; she cheated, like Stanley, Dwight and Angela. Only differences was that it was one time, and did not require her taking her clothes off. But just like them, it did require intimate physical contact with someone who isn't your romantic partner, romantic feelings for someone who isn't your romantic partner, secrecy and lying.
Sorry i hated on u this is a nice socjology review keep up the good work
Pam isn’t beautiful
I hate how she handled the messy microwave situation. I think that’s when I decided I didn’t like her lol
How do you mean? She handled that pretty well. She was basically saying that whoever made the mess should clean it up and that’s true, she wanted to use it and it was dirty so she kindly did what most would do and wrote a little note saying whoever made the mess to clean it up
@@tazzy1453I think the mess was caused by Jim.
Neither of them talk about the mess *in episode* so they could have been talking to each other indirectly through the notes. We all know Jim is a slob. (evidence when he lives with Daryll in Philadelphia and that would have been a deal breaker for me - he's just gross - Pam also talks about how slobby he is around the house after they get married.)
Both are wrong. But if she knows her co-workers because they were her "friends" she would know that they wouldn't do it. Jim (or maybe Ryan) would.
Love and success reveals us. Pam got both--although the success part was typically through manipulation or someone doing her a favor--so we got to see who she really was: Entitled. Manipulative. Insecure.
I argue that Pam was butchered by writers so hating on her like she is a demon-villain is unjustified. Case 1: She got a tiny bluetooth for her and jim when she went to art school, showing her tech-savviness, and suddenly she can't record videos on touch screens? That's the opening for a can of worms of inconsistent writing. She was a totally different person that didnt make sense, right?
She didnt become strong, confident and independent. She became arrogant, Mary Sue, Hollywood strong woman. She was already confident in a good way but still not brave enough. I think they just ditched it. Also, people say she's a cheater? please, what about oscar, angela and dwight? It's a little bit like people hate her because they hate someone else in real life and take it out on Pam.
If the writers wrote her better, she could've gotten better character development like other people... I really hated the sudden awkwardness between jim and pam in season 4 to 7 and season 9. DIdnt make sense to me. There are just so many inconsistencies in writing Pam and Jim.
Did you draw that cup that’s I’m your profile picture? If so then it’s funny that you call Pam’s art mediocre because it’s better than yours and mine. Sure the perspective is a little off but they have really good texture to them.
Pam was sometimes a bit harsh sometimes, and I definitely like her better in the first four seasons, but overall, Pam's a solid character, and I appreciate her and respect her.
Yeah Pam sucks
I think the problem is that Pam and Jim believe they're better than the others while they're really not. While people like Angela and Dwight are authentic: they're just who they are and kindof know that they're rough and a little unhinged. There are never any eye-rolls or judgy remarks. That's the huge difference for me and which makes Jim and Pam so dislikeable to me. They're hypocrites.
Angela, not judgy? Really???
@@sarahwalker2211yeah I was like, wait a minute. And we could pick apart every character on this show, they’re all wild. Multiple cheating scandals, insanity, I think creeds even a murderer. Pam was not the worst. I think it’s a case of ‘die a hero or live long enough to become the villain’. But it’s a comedy so whatever
Pam has the same problem as Skyler White from Breaking Bad. The more screen time they got, the more emotional and annoying their characters got. I couldnt stand either character by the end of each series.
She's a horrible person.
She was engaged. Yet still strung Jim along. Eventually cheating on Roy. It never showed it. she would eventually do the same to jim. These types always do
Watching Pam is pretty Red Pilling because it shows that your feonce has a guy in their life who is waiting for you to drop the ball and get with her. I don't hate Pam but I gotta call a spade a spade. She is only loyal during the good times.
Pam is mid fr on god
The end of this video is mostly Jim is a good bf and pam is bad because he’s being too nice?
I hate Pam & Jim. Solidarity sis. Welcome to the club
i think americans, start off writing well, but fizzle out to statis quo, stereotypes etc. quite sad really.
The fact that anyone would hate Pam is so consistent with the polarized world we live in and the hateful nature of the internet. I mean a character may annoy you but hate is pretty strong . Not to get political but even Obama is adored by many Americans while hated by many as well. And he is a pretty likeable man. I love Pam and the role she had in the show. I love Jenna Fischer and how she created Pam. She went from a quiet mousy type to speaking her mind. She was Jim's Michael's and Dwight's best friend. How can you be that to all three main characters?? Her exchanges with Ryan are sooooo great and underrated. I love the writers knew the importance of her character in the series and gave her arguably the most relatable and human role. I didnt say the best role as that was Michael but the most important. Three times in this series Pam changed the tone and direction of where it was going . Her Dundie support of Michael changed the whole dynamic of the series and made the show less cringeworthy. Her beach speech was brave and she,like Jim earlier, decided to go for it and let the cards fall where they may. I admire that as she knew it might go nowhere and she was mocked for it. Of course Jim is celebrated for not taking NO for an answer and kissing Pam after the fact and knowing she was engaged albeit to a guy who didnt value. Pam's speech gave her and Jim their life together and I admire her new found guts. Finally she was the only one to declare her support for Michael when he left to create his own company. That took balls and a belief in his ability to succeed. I seriously would not have watched this show for nine seasons without Pam and Jim storyline. The comedy parts are great but people like Andy are hard to watch. People tend to hate Pam because she is genuine and reacts the way real people do. They are often jealous, they are hurt easily they often settle on a life less than they want. The most touching moments in the show are 80% Pam Beesley. I think she is the heart of the show.. The other characters are forgiven as they are one dimensional so there faults are found to be funny. Thats all they are in the show for. I think Jenna has to do the heavy lifting as she is the only normal one that has an all round character and life. So she gets criticized because she has to react to all the stuff going on in her life. Cmon people wake the $%^%$ up. She lies alot??? Thats your best shot. She speaks her mind -really thats a terrible thing. Pam is not perfect but the jealously and hate people have for her is mind numbing but is so consistent with the polarizing world we love in as when the show was having its run on TV it was a different world for sure. Jenna Fisher's eyes alone played a bigger role in the success of the show than half the cast. So suck it haters and leave your moralistic and impossible standards for the fantasy genres of movies and TV that seem to rule the entertainment business today!
She’s a fictional character in a tv show, so it doesn’t really matter. But I will admit that the Pam and Jim saga became obnoxious. The show did not need to go so deep with their marriage in my opinion. The greatness of the office was its humor and lack of being politically correct. So watching Pam and Jim squabble like problems of real life. 🤮. Michael, Dwight, Ryan and Packer are my favorite characters though.
Pam is the absolute worst character in TV history. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Reading the comments is enough to not make me wanna watch that video. I don't even understand how people watch stuff. Pam is the sweetest person, but with her own opinion. She is neither a push over nor evil. She is flawed yes, but the fact is, everyon elses flaws are used for comedy, whereas she is the least comedic character hence her flaws are real and not funny or likeable. Like literally every other character is worse than Pam or has similar flaws, but they are packed in humor.
thank you !!!!
I think she is pretty
Yeah that was the whole role of her in the show as Michael once said. The pretty receptionist.
Had no idea ANYONE hated Pam- strange title.
She's literally the worst
She's awful. And gets worse the more you watch the show
@@pizzamassacrecreed is an actual murderer!! Ryan poisoned his baby. Angela was cheating the whole time she dated Andy. Kelly faked a pregnancy. Micheal HIT Meredith with his car. Idk what the Pam hate is about…
@@jai2776Those characters KNOW they’re awful that’s the point. Pam acts like a “higher than thou” and that’s what makes her annoying
I actually liked her better toward the end. She was selfish, entitled, manipulative, and immature, but seemed to grow out of most of it. She was never going to be my favorite, but she did get better. Or maybe it was just the fact that Karen was so bad it made Pam look better by comparison. Jim was no prize, either.
I don't understand why you hate her
>HOW DID PAM BEESLY BECOME SO UNLIKABLE
She didn't. Many of us found her to be increasingly appealing.
i love pam
wtf is pda, you keep saying it like I’m supposed to know what it is
Public display of affection. And you are supposed to know what it is. It's common knowledge. It's also made clear in at least one episode of The Office.
How do you NOT know what that means?
I don't think she did get worse. I thought she got better.
I think it is called envy! A lot of men have had at one time or another a girlfriend with red hair. They will always remember her for the rest of their lives.
Pam's great
You don’t like her because you’re jealous 😂
Pam haters = L
Peak smooth brain cringe