Part2: CR512 Cam Swap / 131ci StreetGlide / Fullsac Header Pipe / APE / Hot Up Kit
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2022
- Following on from part 1, I remove the Rocket Cams 544 Camshaft & install the ever impressive Cyclerama CR512 Camshaft.
With supply issues still taking time to get some products, the customer has decided to go away from the initial choice of a RINEHART Racing full header system.
He has now decided to use the Touring MX Header pipe from FULLSAC Performance. I have never used this header pipe before so I am very keen to see how it performs.
The header pipe retains to use of the factory heat shields for a stealthy clean fit & finish.
Everything from part 1 stays the same in the engine. The engine is the bolt on Screamin' Eagle 131ci Stage IV kit, The FUELING OE+ Cam plate, APE High Capacity Lifters, hand ported & textured 64mm intake manifold, APE 6.2gps fuel injectors & the Rinehart Racing Slip-on's.
The bike produced a little more than I expected, mostly due to the Fullsac Header pipe as the numbers were up slightly from what I normally see the 512 Camshaft do in the 131 engine.
The bike feels exactly how it should now with a huge hit from the bottom of the rev range & stays strong right through the entire rpm range until the limiter.
The compression ratio of the 131 engine sits at roughly 10.7:1 without touching it which is very reserved if you ask me so to get these sort of results with just a camshaft is absolutely amazing. The bike is very well mannered down low, easy to ride in traffic & does not get hot.
If you're after a reliable big cube engine that makes strong smooth power EVERYWHERE, you need this combination! Softail or Tourer, you won't be disappointed.
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Header Pipe: fullsac.com/product/2017-2022...
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Great work Tommy! Nice looking bike
That sound is pure extacy!!! Videos /editing is on point 🔥 excited to get the fat bob done!!
Cheers mate! Still learning how to create and edit videos.
Definitely a happy combination of parts there. Great video again.
Cheers mate! It's hard to go past the CR512 for the 131
Sounds good, great video!
Very nice job! Thank you for the info on the bike.
Keep em coming Tommy!
Awesome Job Tommy very impressive, Love'n it 😍😍👊👊👌👌
I have a 2017 SGS and did a Harley Davidson 128 Big Bore Stage 4 kit. Started off with the factory header pipe that comes with the kit which produced 107 HP/117 TQ with V&H slip-ons. After watching many Moonshine Harley Davidson videos (they do some impressive engine builds), they used the Fullsac MX header pipe a lot in their builds. I swapped out and it dyno'd 127 HP/138 TQ. That is using Harley's 128 Big Bore kit with the SE8-517 cam that comes with it, SE oil pump, SE clutch and SE Pro Street and Auto Tuner. They techs said I could get more going with Dynojet Powervision tuner and D&D 2-1 exhaust but this works just fine for me. Highly recommend the Fullsac MX pipe. Sounds amazing, get a lot of compliments of the sound. I usually ride without the radio and just listen to the exhaust because it sounds that good.
I've never been a critic but I will say the editing is very good now. I've had Harleys. Then caring. Can't wait to love another one soon. 👍🇦🇺
Thanks mate! I'm still learning how to put videos together each time I do one.
Definitely alot harder than I thought would be.
Cheers for the support 🍻🇦🇺
@@MasterTechMiller 👍💯
Soo good! Mad video
Great video.. Thankyou..
If it’s a local bike, definitely look out for it.
May even bring my 103 FatBob in one day for a touch up!!
It's pretty much a local bike (1hr away).
We have a fee good combos that work great with the 103ci Twin Cam engine so I reckon we could sort something out for you.
Impressive results with that CR512 cam in the 131 engine configuration. Besides very nice peak numbers, the curves (specially torque) is excellent. That Fulsac exhaust helped out too. Customer will no doubt have a big smile while riding this bike. Thank you for making, sharing this video.
I'm considering taking my 114 to either 128 (S&S cylinder/piston kit) or going the 131 route but not with the HD SE 131 Kit (which uses the stock stroke 4.500" flywheel...aka: 114/117 crankshaft); would go the S&S 131 Stroker Kit (4.625" stroke x 4.250" bore). My thinking is to go with the S&S 540 Big Bore Torque Cam and perhaps some upgrade(s) to the heads. Also like the T-Man Performance 130" Kit which uses the stock 114/117 stroke. Longer cylinders (0.300") cylinders into the case help support pistons/rings when at the bottom all the way down.
Tom M., So. Cal. '21RGS Stage-2 114 (full S&S 465c cam chest kit) stock 10.5:1 cr & heads, stock intake/TB/injectors; S&S 2-1 Sidewinder Exhaust; Trask M8 Checkvent; Fuel Moto # 3956 Air Cleaner (w/stock outer HD Ventilator cover) and tuned with Dynojet PV3-B (Map by Fuel Moto). For my style of riding and mostly 2-up (along the beach and up in the hills with slow speed curves), this combo works well; pulls nicely from just off idle to well past 4k rpm. And she presently averages 46.4 mpg cruising down the highway at 75mph. I have a S&S 55mm Intake Manifold (ported by Ward) and a Darkhorse Crankworks Man-o-War Compensator, but haven't installed yet.
Yeah that's definitely a good option to go with if you decide to use that flywheel setup.
I would not recommend the S&S 540 Camshaft though. I have heard many reports of underwhelming performance from it.
So much so that I have had 2 guys that have those cams fitted from other dealers and they have called me wanting to swap that cam out for the 512
T.M. Impressive mpg with that setup 😎 Enjoy the ride , Stay Safe 👍😎👍
i know were i will go if i want my motor done, also would like to see some builds on the other size motors to
Thanks mate! I appreciate the feedback and support.
I'd love to build an engine for you 👌🏻
Just watched this video again, and again I must write: Nice choice on the CR512 cam & Fulsac exhaust head pipe (and mufflers, baffles). You definitely matched the valve events of this cam to the cubic inch engine & compression ratio (both static & dynamic) and air flow management characteristics (Intake manifold/Throttle body/injectors size / Heads / exhaust system), plus tuned her right in perfectly. Well done.
Cam Question (for my build): What cam(s) would you recommend, suggest?
I have a 2021RGS 114 w/RDRS, stock 10.5:1 cr, presently running a Stage-2 upgrade (S&S 465c performance-torque cam; full S&S cam chest kit) and just received my Carillo pistons (4.125" bore; 10.75:1 cr w/stock heads) for a 120 cu. in. build (stock 4.500" stroke crank x 4.125" bore...for 120 cu.in.).
I plan on replacing the stock HD plastic intake manifold with a S&S 55mm Intake (mild ported by Ward), upsizing to 5.5 injectors, Level-A type Heads (stock heads redone by Branch & O'Keefe) and retaining the S&S 2-1 Sidewinder I'm running now. Tune is Dynojet PV3-B with map by Lucas at Fuel Moto. Riding style is 2-up, conservative, some hills/curves, and loving the torque of the S&S 465 cam in 114 now. Looking for a bit more than what a HD 117 has without going big cubic inches (128, 130, 131 or new S&S 132 top end kit)...hence choose 120 cu. in. Ventilating crankcase with Trask M8 checkvent. Running HD fan on the Oil Cooler.
Thinking about the 485 cam from Moonshine Harley (Nashville, Tennessee, USA) but don't know enough yet about this new cam. They also have a new 492 cam. I believe both cams are ground by Comp Cams for Moonshine Harley Performance (MHP). Thanks!
Sounds like you've been doing some good home work! Great job! Let me know what you end up deciding to with. I'd love to hear how it ends up performing
Great video! This is exactly what I am going for with my bike.
I wonder what is achievable with the head pipe that comes with the 131 and street cannons?
The header pipe that comes with the 131 kit is the same header pipe that comes stock on all Australian model Tourers. I would expect slightly lower HP & TQ numbers, maybe 10% less.
Hey man I love the content. Stay true to yourself!
Also can you show what y’all boys do for Harley audio. I’m curious if it’s a thing down there or I’d there some regulation against it.
Cheers for the positive feedback and support mate.
Big Audio kits are not really a big thing in my city or state for that matter. If anyone does anything it's just the stage 2 BOOM Audio kits out of the book.
Great work! Really enjoy watching your videos. Have you had any experience with the TTS-250 cam? If you have, do you still prefer the CR 512 cam for sound and performance?
Thanks for watching. I haven't used the TTS-250 so I can't comment about it, however there is a CR 515 from Cycle-Rama that works great on 131 builds with compression ratios upto 11.5:1
Great build great content as always, ? I seen that you don’t change the oem crank, just add springs to the oem clutch and how about the rear end moving with 140+ torque/hp. Just curious plan on doing a 131” soon.. Thanks
Have never had an issue with the OEM clutch running the 1275NM springs.
I think you are referring to the rear axel rotating? We've never come across that issue, however for the guys that worried about it rotating, there are axel lockers for that.
@@MasterTechMiller Thank you, could you recommend any axel lockers.
@CeCe I can't remember the brand but I'm sure a quick google search will bring up what you're looking for.
@@MasterTechMiller Thanks for your expertise you help a lot people with their builds or future builds.
thats exactly what I'm making with my 128 cr 512 and D&D big boar baffle sae though not std
I love the video man glade I found you I’m doing a se 131. And I want todo a star 3/4 cam what are your thoughts. I like the number of this cam you just did
I personally haven't used the 3/4 cam from Star Racing but I have used the 30/30 cams before. Both in 107 & 114 engines. They did not live up the internet hype that George gives them that's for sure. I can only assume the 3/4 cam would be similar.
Now to be clear, I'm not saying the cams are trash. I'm only saying they didn't deliver the expected results.
The cams from Cycle-Rama deliver! They tune well, ride well, sound great & more importantly they deliver!
@@MasterTechMiller thank you for input I have the 30/30 in my 114 now I like it. I got 130tq 118 hp but you have to do all the other stuff to make that happen like 64 mm tb good exhaust and good air cleaner you know all that stuff. I’ve ran the 30/30 for about 15 k miles about im just ready for more power and I don’t know what cam that 512 you used look really impressive
Yeah fair enough. I would definitely be open to giving the 3/4 a try in something.
The 512 is from Cycle-Rama and has been designed to be a drop in Camshaft for SE131 engine taking into account the flow rates of the CNC ported heads & the compression ratio of the 131ci engine. It never disappoints
Gday mate
Great videos where di i get the fullsac header pipe for a 2022 road king special 114?
Do you sell them?
Thanks
Ordered it online mate.
I just love it ❤
Hey Tommy,
Subbed for a while now. Just a quickie I've got 13 FLSTFB boards removed for the obvious. I'm a super aggressive rider & can't seem to get it out of my system from my MX days. I'm at stage 1 but looking at the 585 cams from S&S. But after you're build on that 131 the cams you threw in were mids if I remember. I will go 124 later from the 103, but I need that rush ... 585 S & S or go an mid Amdrews cam ? I hate people pulling away from me top end as well... fml
Great vids from an Aussie mate 👌 cheers
Hmmm tricky spot you're in at the moment. I'm not a fan of the S&S 585 Cams. They sound ok at idle and have a good low to mid section but that's it.
If you're after more mid to top end power you should be considering something like the SE259E cams but they require bigger valve springs and an increase in compression.
Something like the SE211 came will bolt into your 103 and provide more top power but will greatly soften the bottom end up. That's not a big deal if you always ride at 3000rpm and up though.
@@MasterTechMiller cheers Tommy I'll take that in board.
Any chance of you doing a few builds on twin cams mate ? Interested to see what you'll do with them & the cam you'll use & HP output on the dyno
How does the Khrome werks pipes compare to the fullsak?
I have only used the Khrome Werks on a smaller inch build with less Camshaft do it is not the best comparison at all.
I did think the KW header was fine on the smaller 117ci build
I just put together a 117ci stage 4 with the 515 cam......do u think it would benefit me to changing to the cr512 and do u know if it surges in low rpms, thank you john
The 515 is much smoother the 512 down low & at cruise speeds. I'd stick with the 515 mate
thanks for your input😎@@MasterTechMiller
Can’t wait to see what mine does!! I got the Khrome werks 2:2.
Will see what mine makes I’ll let ya know! Did decide to get the crank done so that’s being done now. Had some spring I got from Bruce Bryce that makes the 30/30 cam. So they will install those spring for me. Idk 🤷♂️
Sure have enjoyed all your videos and sure do wish my bike was getting the wrench from you!
Love your videos!! I need more videos from you
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoy it.
Keep me posted on how your bike turns out
Mate can you please send me Info on the screen size and brand on this bike
It's a Klock Werks screen but I'm unsure of the height. Will find out.
Do you think 2 into 1 exhaust would of made a difference in numbers
A good full length 2-1 system would have made a little extra torque off the bottom and carried some more HP from the mid range on.
As for how much more HP is up for debate however in this scenario I would expect approximately 8 to 12hp increase.
(Not directed at you, but most people in general when it comes to HP)
It comes down to how much do you want to spend to have a 'number' so you feel better talking amongst your friends rather than worrying about how the bike actually performs and feels on the road.
The best Touring full length system I have used and tuned is the Bassani.
Love your content mate.
@@MasterTechMiller----> Do you mean a Bassani two into one exhaust or Bassani mufflers on stock head pipes. With the cats removed and a set of 2 inch baffles in Krome Werks mufflers on a 132-inch build the stock Harley head pipes wthe cats removed puts out really good low end, mid range and good HP numbers too.
@@dnewman3402 yeah a Bassani 2-1 full system
@@MasterTechMiller ---> Road Rage three or Road Rage two into one exhaustr on a 128 build?
Hi can I swap cycle rama 512 cam with my stage 3 122kit on my 2020 road glide special.will the fitmen be good?
What cam do you currently have fitted?
Screaming eagle SE 447 torque cam
Includes 4.155" Big Bore Bolt-On
Cylinders, Forged 11.0:1 High
Compression Pistons and Rings,
SE8-447 Torque Cam, High
Capacity Tappets, Stage I Timer
Cover & Insert
Includes Multi-Layer Coated
Head Gaskets, Cylinder Base and
Cam Cover Gaskets, most
necessary gaskets and seals
Above is my set up
@@krazite the CR512 will be a great replacement over the SE447 Cam.
You will need to install high lift valve springs to accommodate the higher lift.
If that is not something your willing to do, I strongly suggest the CR485 Camshaft from Cycle-Rama. It is exclusively available through www.alphaperformanceengines.com.au
It is an awesome Camshaft that uses the stock valve springs and is capable of producing 40hp gains on stage II 114ci engines.
I fitted one to a 128ci Stump Puller a few weeks back and it produce 147hp & 153ft/lbs
@Master Tech Miller between 512 n 485 CR Cam which would be your choice ?
@@krazite 🤔🤔🤔 That's a tough one....probably have to go with the 485 as it utilises the stock springs therefore reducing valve train parasitic loss 📉
Is fullsac a good head pipe for hp and tq?
Yes
@Master Tech Miller what slip on's do you recommend 🤔
@@wiremuperry4310 S&S Grand National
@@MasterTechMiller for street glide
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