How to Install the Feuling Hydraulic Cam Tensioner Upgrade on a Harley Davidson Twin Cam.
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- In this video I install the Feuling Hydraulic Cam Tensioner upgrade to a 2003 Harley Davidson Softail.
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I appreciate the video.
Good camera work, no unnecessary music, humor, special effects, etc. Good info here.
Thank you for the comment
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Thanks for the video. Great job!
I have to do my 2003 FXDWG and have been looking at my choices for replacement. This video is straightforward and easy to follow with no annoying music and no bullshit talking or distractions.
Thank you for the comment. I’m glad I could help
Helpful tip that I used...put the new bearings in the freezer for a few hours before installing them
Great tip!
@@empcycleworks i do this with electric motor bearings. Works every time.
Funny how the twin Cam is a lot more work for cam chest than the M8 but they still charge the same price on both engines lol. Great video! I still ain’t trying this at home.
The first gen twin cam especially! Thanks for the comment
He skipped the part of aligning the oil pump. There should be two tapered bolts with the kit (JIMS 33443-84) to align the oil pump. If there isn't, they can be had for cheap just about everywhere. The procedure is in the shop manual, or should be included with the pump instructions. There is no need to press in the cams and bearing in the plate. Just put the bearings in the freezer, and the plate in the oven (or heat it on a hot plate), and the bearing will fall right into place. Same with the cams. I've done it many, many times, and prefer that over the press. There is always a chance to mar up stuff with a press.
Thank you for your comment. You definitely can install the cams/ bearings using the heat/ ice method. That works just fine.
I absolutely centered the oil pump on the pinion shaft. I spun the pinion shaft using the rear wheel and tightened the cam plate and oil pump bolts in sequence. Following the instructions from Feuling on the centering procedure. Plus, the Jims alignment tools do not work with the feuling oil pump because the threads are on the pinion side of the oil pump. The jims tool does not reach the threads. I like this method better than using the Jims tools because it centers the oil pump to the pinion. Using the Jims tool it centers the oil pump to the cam plate not necessarily the pinion shaft.
Again thanks for the comment.
Awesome input on the plate and bearings 🤙
Great product. I used the same when I upgraded my 02 Electra Glide cam chest a few years ago. I also went with the S&S 510 cams. This bought the old girl a new life. Keeps up with the Big Dog now.
That’s great. Feuling has replaced s&s as my go to for engine internals.
Thank You for the video. It was exactly what I was looking for, straight to the point! Good job to the camera operator, well done.
Thanks, this was one of my first videos. Im glad it was helpful
Did this on my '03 FXDWG and recommend to everyone as those spring tensioners can muck up your oil pump. Good demonstration of install and agree about the cam bearings, Timken is far superior. Harley used to use them but no longer, dunno why? Did you ever do a comparison on the oil pressure before and after? Mine had a significant increase.
I have not videoed a direct comparison. But I will on the next one. Thanks for the idea.
My upgrade also made a significant improvement
Hi there, I appreciate the time taken in creating these videos, I love that you explain it all, And show what to do when things don't work out, like when your chasing a specific clearance and to actually solve that issue and meet that requirement. Not many people starting out, know that you can order different sized shims, So thanks for showing, Only critic would be some shots were not in picture when you were talking about them, (Only a few), But that should get better with more video's you make ?
But overall great video, have liked and subscribed.
Thank you for the advice. I am working on getting better at filming and editing.
I am happy you enjoyed it.
Love that ur teaching the kid
Thank you
If I walked into a Harley dealer with a Fueling plate and my old cam plate and asked them to press these in/out...would I be treated like a moron for not buying Screaming Eagle parts? This is such a well presented video I'd like to do this to my 2006 RK.
You can heat up the cam plate (in an oven) and freeze the bearings and achieve the same results at home.
@@empcycleworks cool tip thank you...Where are you located?I tore into my cam chest and found a badly scored cam the front inner bearing was still jntact...thank God.
Fueling. S and s and screaming eagle conversion are loads better than factory 🤘
@@brandonmacon3317 update my 06RK has been dyno'ed and run's and souns like Harley. Fueling 525 cam was awesome choice for me ,all DIY.
Great video!
would you mind listing the tools that are needed to do this job, as im about to attempt to do it in a week. excited to do, as nervous 😂
Amazing video! Love to hear the assistant in the background. Train them young.
Adjustable wrenches, the moveable jaw should lead the movement if possible on the final tightening or initial loosening. Reduces wrench slipping off. Offset or angled wrenches the short jaw should lead when possible for final tightening or initial loosening for the same reason.
Maybe next time, push down on the cam install tool spreader bar in the middle and a rubber band around chain in between the cams. Just stuff I’ve learned over 30 years as a Industrial Maintenance Mechanic.
Hell of a job. Seems like though if you don’t have the tools, just take it to the shop. Buying all these tools just to use them once, seems pretty expensive
Fantastic Video! Thanks a lot! I am pretty sure, Harley dealerships in Germany charge a lot of money and are not as careful ,as you!
Thank you for watching. I am glad you enjoyed it!
I'm doing this upgrade this winter does this kit come with a high volume oil pump or can it be ordered with one
Great video, could you list the part numbers of those jims tools?
Great video! I switched my 05 dyna to hydro last spring using a fuel moto kit and feel better those spring tensioners are gone. Just curious... why did you choose not to get the conversion kit to use 06 and later cams to get rid of the plate bearings and needing to press everything?
Thanks for the comment. Fuel moto is a great company to work with. In this circumstance, my customer needed the tensioners replaced. Budget was the main factor in the part selection.
@@empcycleworks ahhhh! I didn't realize it wasn't your bike. 😃
That's what I thought
Hey man. i have 9000km's on this setup and last Saturday had a complete failure of the front outer cam bearing. It is labeled as a "Timken" but says made in china? Have you had any issues with this type of failure?
I don’t think I have ever seen a front outer bearing failure. I’ve seen both inner’s fail and the rear cam outer fail. Must of been a bad bearing.
For the twin cam is it possible just to upgrade the tension er from plastic to a longer lasting tension er. At 65 i don't need more performance just reliability
Thanks
If your pinion has less than 0.003” runout, you can install gear drive cams with a stock grind and eliminate the tensioners altogether
Amazing description of every detail definitely skilled
Thank you for the wonderful comment
Why the owned did not consider the gear conversion? Thanks for the video.
Mainly cost
I’m concerned with my factory tensioner. Can I simple replace the 2 tensioners with the hydraulic tensioners and call it good?
If it is 2007 and latter, than yes you can just replace the tensioner shoes. You can’t just replace spring loaded tensioners with hydraulic though. The cam plate is different
Great work & video. How many miles were on the bike? I'm looking at a low mileage fatboy, but concerned about this issue. Approximate cost?
I don’t remember how many miles on this particular bike. I usually recommend to check your tensioners at 30k miles.
This is about $1500 for a shop to do it
@@empcycleworks think he meant parts price brother -labor
I tried clicking on the kit but it says your website is private and won't let me view it. Any other links for the kit for a 06 Road King?
Sorry, I had to close the shop. I don’t have access to the dealers anymore.
Wow you do nice work 👏
thank you
Awesome Video! Thank you for your time making it 👍
I used this same kit 7090 but went with reaper 525 cams and ported cylinder heads. How has the reliability been so far?
I have used this kit a bunch of times. Have never had any issues. Thanks for the comment,
Thank you , Thank you, Thank you. Awesome video.
Thank you
Great detail video, I learned a lot. On about 11:20 you’ve mention about motor A and motor B, what does that mean and how do I know which is the one I have? Thank you.
The A Motors in the twin cam era are the Touring and Dyna models. The B Motor goes in the softails. I always remember B motor is balanced.
@@empcycleworks great, thank you
When the dots on the timing chain are in the correct timing facing each other this puts the rear cylinder at tdc when the pinion gear has the dot in its usual timing position and the dot on the top sprocket is at the top this is tdc on the front cylinder found out this in the fuelling instructions!
I hi
Great info. Thank you
Amazing how many install videos never even mention this. You already have the cam cover off and you are clearly not on TDC
Looks like you use the old cams. The Feuling cams don’t need pressing?
This particular job was just a tensioner upgrade. We kept the stock cams.
Awesome job and great video. Thanks
Well done brother really help me tonight 💥
Show brother, tutorial muito bom. Parabéns e obrigado pela aula.
Where do you buy the bearing press tools for pressing the bearings into the cam plate and the cams into the bearings. Thanks. Very good video.
You don't need a press just heat up the plate around where the bearings go, then simply drop em in. The plate will cool down and hug the bearings tight. You won't risk gouging the plate this way.
I am a dealer for all these Jims tools. send me an email empcycleworks@gmail.com
Do you have part numbers or recommendations on where to get the specific tools you need for the conversion?
You can do a search on Amazon and find cheap tools for this job. The one I use are from Jims
Good work procedures
Thank you for the support
Does the bike need tuned after doing this?
Not if you don’t change the cam.
I NEED HELP PLEASE. I followed the video step by step, except all i did was change the cam chain tensioners, I also removes the oil pump to install new o rings and when i put everything back together, I hear a loud ticking noise when the engine idles, when i rev the ticking sounds louder. I don't know whats wrong. I re-aligned everything and I triple checked that it was all aligned. I made sure I followed every step exactly I have taken the bike apart 3 TIMES and done every step. Lubricated every important pieces. I need help PLEASE. I don't know whats wrong. My bike never did this before.
Have you looked into rocker lockers? inexpensive solution for the ticking.
@@maryblankley4702 I found the fix and it was very simple
What was the simple fix?
@@nathanm5352So i researched online LITERALLY EVERYWHERE, and not a single person had the same issue as me which was the loud ticking noise on the rockers, I got so frustrated I had to find a mechanic on you tube to help me find the issue and turns out all I needed to do was to leave my bike on for at least 4-5 minutes and the noise went away. The issue was the engine needed time to lubricate the rockers to stop the ticking noise it was making. After the 4-5 minutes the ticking slowly went away till it disappeared completely.
Conversion kit uses a race not bearing and it all ready in the cam plate ?
This particular kit uses the stock style cams/ bearings. You can get a kit to convert the cam plate and cams to the new style while maintains the smaller inner cam bearing. This was more of a budget upgrade.
@@empcycleworks what kit is the latter ? Ty brother
Crickets 😂@@jimscycleandautotn8508
I like your videos very much usually very informative but in this case you’re talking about the run out on the crankshaft and you kept saying it was excellent 1000 and you seen it worth 12,000 what is one thing you kept forgetting and I was getting aggravated. What is the limit for the runoff I kept waiting and waiting and you never said it
Thanks for the comment. I don’t remember the the runout on this motor exactly. But from your comment, I believe the runout is 0.001”. On this motor the limit per Harley is 0.012”
I have a 03 Fatboy 88 ci @44k miles. It probably needs attention. Which one would u suggest ? Thanks.
Upgrading to a hydraulic tensioner setup like the Feuling one in this video is always a good idea. Although you can replace tensioners and bearings in your stock setup. If you are going to pay a shop upgrade it. If you are doing it yourself you can save some money just freshening the cam-chest up. If your pinion is under 0.003" run-out, gear drive is the best option. Depending on your budget.
@@empcycleworks HD quate me $1200 for changing out the spring tensioners. But I haven't taken the cam cover off to see how the shoes look like.
so the new hydraulic tensioner still uses the plastic parts, what's the point?
The point is to refresh the wear items and improve what we can. Gear drive would have been optimal, but the budget would not allow it.
@@empcycleworks ok, got it.
Nice job
Hey man at 14:25, if I'm installing the #7088 conversion cam kit with conversion cams, will I still have to R/R those inner cam bearings as you have? I know they don't actually have bearings on the 7088 cam plate with 07'-up style cams.
Thanks for the video by the way, been super helpful.
I always replace the inner cam bearings every time I remove cams! The stock Harley cam bearings are not the best, so upgrading to a full compliment bearing is a must. I have seen these bearings fail, so replacing them is cheap insurance.
Understood! Did those come in the cam kit?
what lubricants did you use?
I like BelRay for the primary and transmission. Redline, Amsoil, or Lucas for the motor.
How much would it cost to have a shop do this job?
Depends where you live. 5 to 10 hours labor
@@empcycleworks
Thanks 👍🏻
How much does the kit cost? How much for labor ?
Thanks for the question. What model and year Harley?
@@empcycleworks 2000 fat boy
So with this kit it only has 1 tensioner now?
There is still 2
great video!
How much is that fueling kit?
Around $800 depending on the year and options
Around $800 depending on the year and options
Good vid bro
Why not go to adjustable push rods?
On this job, budget was the issue
@@empcycleworks I see. I guess if it’s you own and you don’t count your time. But if you’re paying the extra time getting into the top end would eat up a lot of savings. Especially if you end up with a leak
Is thi kit better than the harley?
I think the bearings are better in this kit. Other wise the Screamin Eagle setup is also good
@empcycleworks I'm here still debating with s&s or fueling lol can't make up my mind lol
Do you have an order number for this kit?
What is is the year and model of your bike? There are couple kits for different applications.
I have added them to my website. Check the link in the description
@@empcycleworks I have a Harley Davidson Softail Deuce 2002.
@@empcycleworks thank you
I made a video on my channel of what to do if an Ina bearing breaks on you, if it helps anyone else. It happened to me before and it sucks!
Everything thing was good but I will never use adjustable pushrods
Thank you for the comment!
I see why Harley Davidson got away from inner chain cams.
Things a POS. Gone through two of the OE+ plate and oil pump in under 25K on 98" TC mild build.
SE with the brass bushing or S&S if you're doing a monster motor.
So far for my money. Feuling hasn't shown me shit. If you're doing a mild 95" or 98" the stock 07 plate with a Baisley relief spring will work just fine.
Thanks for the comment
Some people lightly sand chain for smoothness..
I cant say I have ever heard of that. The newer single roller chains are less sharp than the original style cam chains. I would be leery of sanding on the chain for fear of contaminating the rollers. And not being able to 100% verify that the chain is free of all the sanding material and steel particles. But its an interesting idea. Thanks for the comment.
Its about £1200 full job here.
1 thousandth runout, you could have put a gear drive in there and been done with it forever.
Gear drive was not in the budget.
All that work for a plastic shim that looks the same.
The spring is the major problem with the original setup. Even though the pad is of a similar material, the hydraulic setup lasts longer. If money is not an option, gear drive cams eliminates the issue entirely.
Nota Dez
Thank you
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you're sloppy with the lube/oil and loctite because you're working too fast. Slow down and make it a bit more professional.
You are right