British Army Soldiers Showcasing Their Marksmanship With The L85 A2 Rifles
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- British Army Soldiers Showcasing Their Marksmanship With The L85 A2 Rifles
Members of the British Armed Forces, assigned to local units, zeroe the weapon during the L85 A2 rifle calibration at the Training Support Center Benelux 25 meter indoor range, in Chièvres Air Base, Belgium, Nov. 30, 2016. British Forces Trained under supervision of the British Joint European Training Team
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To all those saying "oh the rifles are bad", I GUARANTEE you have NEVER came close to one of the A2's, and the A2's are certainly not shite, as HK had better quality control and refined almost all parts of the rifle to make it very reliable.
It's very accurate, and the A2's very reliable. I'll take your opinion seriously when you've actually worked on an A2.
Desantos123 UK i have used one. My main criticism would the weight which can start ti be pain after a while.
acelennygaming the weight problem is based on strength and stamina.
but when you have 40+ kilos on you, and extra couple goes unnoticed.
I do agree that the weight is a gripe, but in no way shape or form does it flaw the Rifle.
There's clearly more positives than negatives and that's why we point out the negatives because they're easier to explain.
agreed
Matsimus Gaming you're not planning for this to be in 'mong moments' are ya?
Desantos123 UK I just realised I'm subscribed to you, and I agree the A2's are alright
everyone saying the sa80 is bad are clueless and are probably not even in the military ! the A1 was terrible but the A2 is brilliant, H&K did a good job. I used the SA80A2 for 8 years while I was in the infantry, whilst I was in Afghan I fired it countless tines and rarely had stoppages, I once smashed 5 mags through it in one contact even though it was covered in dust. its vs really good weapon.
Jordan Boyle Now compare that rifle to anything currently avaliable on the market and you can see how fucking awful it is
even if you look at weapons such as the MDR, Tavor, F90,RDB or the SAR-21 it is out of date by a milestone and the base of this rifle is American soooo...
Mr MadMax have you used the A2 in combat ? Have you used it in the dusty fields of Afghan ? or maybe the humid jungle of Belize ?
Mr MadMax the tavor is a piece of shit that was hyped up too much
The SA80 has no advantages over a M4.
Same length.
Same accuracy.
SA80 is heavier.
SA80 is more expensive.
And the all important issue of ejecting brass and gas right into your face if you want to shoot it from the left shoulder.
Now that's not to say that the SA80 platform is useless, just that in a world where the AR platform exists it is simply inferior.
Owen Major They have.a similar overall length when the m4 has the stock collapsed- not in a combat ready state. The barrel on the L85 is significantly longer meaning a higher muzzle velocity and greater range. Accuracy wise, the L85 will at least match any current service rifle and outperforms the m4 much like the m16 does. Historically it's reliability has been an issue but this has been sorted ever since HK got their mitts on it. There's even a case to say the L85 is more reliable than the m4 now. It's still a right hand only weapon, but this seems to be more of a concern for armchair generals than it is for the users. The British Army don't permit left handed shooting and it's not been much of an issue for them. I've never heard an infantry tom complain about that anyway. It is heavy though, there's no getting past that but an inferior weapon to the m4? Certainly not anymore.
Sa80 a2 and the new A3 versions are brilliant assault rifles! Accurate and reliable. I used the A2 variant all through my service.. And had no issues what so ever.. Not even a jam. So to those saying the sa80 is shit.. clearly don't know what there talking about. Granted the sa80 A1 had issues.. But since hk took over.. They are far better quality.
I am not a soldier, n Your opinion is this rfle better that that SLR L1A1? Lots of people wonder why there has been the shift towards a 5,56mm rifle,when there was a 7,62 mm.
The weight compared to a c7 is like 1.5 kg. The l85 is a fucking heavy gun with a susat and a full magazine
Ok, but can you use the rifle left handed? If not it's worthless as a military rifle. There are plenty of other rifles that accomplish good reliability and accuracy, but aren't bullpup rifles with right handed only operation.
@@Tinfoil_Hardhat There Are left handed Soldiers in the British Army. They use the SA80 with no problems.. Granted it isn't 100% ambi But there are many Assault rifles out there that are not either. Including the SLR
@@justintime1218 Ok, but you can use the FAL far easier because brass isn't being shot directly into your face. Unless you're holding your rifle weird, I don't see how you're going to be using your rifle left handed. Sure, you can just train to use it right handed, but that's one far more inconvenient than basically any other military rifle, and two, there are times where shooting with your non dominant hand is beneficial or required. A problem most bullpups don't address.
For anyone who's unaware, the RAF Regiment are running the range, helping the non-infantry men and women hone their skills.
the raf regiment lol wtf do they know except naafi prices
They know nothing (SARC). Like the RAF Regiment guy I knew in Germany who was selected to go forward in a Fuchs NBC recce vehicle during op granby (gulf war 1). Yeah nothing. A guy who was destined to be further forward than anyone else, testing nerve and biological agent samples in an armoured vehicle. Like the RAF Regiment guy I knew who passed selection for 22 Regiment and went on to serve in it. Traditionally a LOT of RAF Regiment join the SAS. He was hard as nails and young and intelligent. A TOP geezer. Christ even my trade (supply Logistics which is grouped with catering and drivers) parachuted BEHIND enemy lines into Iraq during TELIC (gulf war 2). At that point in time they were the furthest forward of ANY coalition troops. FACT. Thats right SAC (airmen of the lowest rank-Warehousemen, forklift drivers, box packers and inventory controllers). They followed APFC (Rubber Air Portable Fuel Containers on parachutes) 50 or so miles behind enemy lines in support of Apache helos (they are entitled to wear para wings- OK its a watered down para course for them but they still wear them and they are still as front line as the RAF can be).....but what do I know? I only enlisted 3 times and served in the 80s 90s and 00s.....ive done Afghan (Kandahar) as a serviceman, Afghan (Bastion) as a civilian contractor, Saudi as a contractor (Typhoon) and Saudi as an instructor. What do I know about the RAF Regiment? They have balls and TBH you would be surprised at some of the roles they have done. PER ARDUA.
ashley styles you can't say 'A LOT' of RAF regiment go on to join 22, because I'm sure it's a lot less than the paras and RM.
kandahar airbase, bastion the fob with pizza huts etc and saudi fml your gold
Lol did you just call the raf reg infantry?
what's with all the hate? the a2 is an awesome piece of kit
If you have incredibly low standards, sure.
Heavy
I want one tho
its the legacy of the A1 in combination with an ignorant government who refused to address the issue, the A3 has been in service for a couple years and is just as good as any other rifle.
@King Freak Having fired a Tavor, I'd have to disagree. The Tavor is one of the few bullpups I'd consider actually somewhat acceptable, along with the fixed DesertTech MDR and **maybe** the FAMAS.
As for effective range, it has a long barrel. Cool I guess.
@@AnonymousONIagent nah the MA5B is the best bullpup ;)
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Very interesting. They have to use a combo tool to adjust the SUIT scope on the L85A2. On our M4s we have the ACOG or the Aimpoint M68 red dot. Both these scopes have to be mounted properly and use only a screw drive or the rim of a cartridge to adjust the reticle for elevation and windage. The Aimpoints are easier for the average US Army Infantryman even though there is no magnification like the ACOG. For infantrymen with M68s. The M4 carbine or M16A4 has to be zeroed with the Back Up Iron Sights (BUIS) first. Once the zero is established for a 300 meter zero at 25 meters. The M68 is then mounted firmly and the BUIS is flipped up and the sight is turned on and adjusted for the brightness of the red dot which is set on the lowest setting that can be seen by the shooter. Once the dot is at its smallest then using an empty cartridge. Center the red dot to the tip of the front sight. Then fire the needed rounds to establish another 300 meter battle sight zero then it is ready for qualification or combat using the same lot number on the ammunition. Different lot numbers affect windage and accuracy. Using the ACOG is different. The BUIS has to be zeroed separately form the scope. Once the scope is mounted, it is zeroed without any aids from the battle sights and still using a spent cartridge case, coin, or screwdriver. I personally use the ACOG in Iraq during my tours from 2006 through 2009. I found my scope to be effective. On the same note I have taught my soldiers how to zero both systems effectively before and during deployments. During 2007 when I was in Southern Iraq I had the opportunity to meet British soldiers from the Parachute Regiment and Gurkhas. We shot at a range on Safwan Hill just outside of Basra and impressed with my M4 carbine on how simple and easy it is to take apart to maintain and how easy it is to re-zero using British issue ammunition back to US issued ammo. The British Paratroopers and Gurkha Infantrymen are all competent shots with their issued weapons and no doubt excellent infantrymen of the British Army. After talking about weapons British soldiers preferred American mess hall food and our fabulous PX. They said American food was better than what they would eat at Basra and buy more stuff like protein mixes at Camp Bucca. British soldiers are excellent infantrymen. Too bad they weren't with me when I was up in Baghdad in Sadr City in 2008 when the shit hit the fan. Great times and great memories.
Its a SUSAT, and its being replaced in the infantry.
@@jester5ify = My bad jester. I have a SUIT on my BSA L1A1 SLR that I built. Those things are horrible! The Tritium inside is already dead. The pointer is upside down and the scope bounces like crazy even on the original SUIT dust cover mount. It can't even hold zero using service ball ammo and even with match grade Federal Gold Match 168 grain at 100 meters. I do better with just battle sights even though the back sight is wobbly.
lol I know used to use them for the SLR. If you want something truly hideous try the IWS we used to use. It was almost as big as the rifle, weighed as much and gave out a high Pitched whine when turned on....
@@jester5ifyOh even in the mid 1980s we had a monstrosity called the PVS-2 which was early 1960s technology. That thing weighed as equal as an M16A1 rifle unloaded. The PVS-4 which came later was only 2 and a half pounds was an improvement but it was still bulky. It was still in use by the early Afghanistan and Iraq for the M240B a.k.a JIMPY for you guys. I never had to use either in combat even for the Panama Invasion of 89-90. My unit had every soldier equipped with the early PVS-7 which was 3rd Gen head or helmet mounted. By the time I was in Iraq in 2006-08 we had the PVS-14 which is a pocket sized helmet and M4 Carbine mounted night vision monocular scope. It is used in conjunction with the PEQ-2 or PAQ-4 IR illuminator and IR laser pointer. Much better combination for night combat and totally dark buildings. Much has improved for night combat optics for the infantryman.
Bit late, but as the other lad pointed out - that's a SUSAT, not a SUIT. SUIT is 80s tech and has been retired, you won't really find an L85 about without an optic nowadays. The troops went into the gulf with the SUSAT in 1991 standard issue, and theres a ton of them lying around so they've been retained to kind of replace irons. The principal optic is the ELCAN LDS, basically a Specter OS with fixed 4x magnification. That's typically paired with a Laser Light Module and a Grippod. Tools for maintenance are stored in the handguard.
The lads in the video are wearing Osprey Body Armour from 2008~, which was replaced with the much more modern Virtus Body Armour System shortly after 2016. Osprey is only really donned by the Navy or Air Force guys. The L85A2 that they're using is also no longer used by the infantry, having been replaced by the L85A3 - though its still a very common sight in the army.
Interesting weapon design. I have never fired a bullpup rifle, and was wondering how she feels in operation... Good video.
My biggest complaint with them is that the triggers on all bullpups are terrible, because of the long distance between the trigger and the fire control group.
Generally speaking, they are okay, but at least the L85 feels kinda awkward to handle. Its relatively heavy and a lot of the weight is awkwardly far back. The standard issue front grip/bipod combo also sucks dick, a normal ergo grip would be so much better
@@casadewaffle3162being an engineer, that is my beef with the bullpup concept. I don’t like it, because it introduces a complicated mechanism that is a potential failure cause.
Not just soldiers, some RAF Regt thrown in there too. Get those heels down lads!
Shite group at 25m
Detailing Diaries when I was in Iraq I had "dealings" with raf reg . Heard all the hype. Bullshit they were shite. They were instructed not to enter a certain area in Basra. They went in because they got "lost" and got IED,D set their vehicle on fire .50 cal pinging off every where. Second time I was hunting Mortarmen that were attacking Basra airport. We were over watching an area with no friendly troops . So if we saw movement it was enemy. Low and behold we saw a patrol. But something wasn't right. We checked locations of friendlies and would you believe the raf reg had got lost again and came into our kill zone. Dicks
@@chrisleyden6296 Maybe it was you in the wrong place, their job is literally to go behind enemy lines. Just saying.
@@chrisleyden6296 -You jealous that we're better than you?
I love this rifle
The l98 A2 is the common name for the same rifle but used by cadets, the British army use the SA80 rifles
no they use l85a2
sorry m8, I'm in cadets they rename all the new models and compared to the british army were bs
The L98A2 is semi automatic only.
@Anka Paszkiewicz Yes. The L98A2 Cadet GP rifle is a variation of the L85A2 with the change lever and automatic sear removed to make it semi-automatic only.
@@mawdeeps7691 SA80 is another name for it
What do the wings mean on the side of the arm? I thought only paras could have those?
Josh Soprano anyone can do p company and army all arms command
Josh Soprano RAF regiment they have their own wings
any can have the wings, it means you have done the parachute jump course
People watching this consider these lads aren't Infantry their signals.
Im surprised they are still using SUSAT.... Not enough money to switch them all over to the new sights I guess.
Max Steele probably and old video
Max Steele not all units are issued the LDS yet. The SUSAT although not perfect is proven on the battlefield and the LDS is currently receiving mixed reviews. New does not always mean better and unfortunately in these days of austerity we cannot afford the best of everything.
Old guns, old sights, indoor range, just like the good old days with the L1A1.
Isn't this RAF REG not army?
tbh with a bipod at 30m that isnt very impressive at all. i shoot target rifles which tbf are very different but with a sling instead of a bipod at 30m i can keep a group well smaller than a 2p. and im pretty shit.
They are ZEROING.
games i'm shit at they are full-powered 5.56 combat rifles, BIG difference, and they're being zeroed, hence all the sight adjustment. Actual gunnery training is outdoors in massive fields
They still use SUSATs?
Luds Larsson Only non infantry
Steve Sheppard Oh alright, thanks man. Digging the muse profile pic!
There good scopes
4:35 wtf was that forward assist
@bsrlbck2013 no the forward assist is to make sure the bolt carrier went fully forward the ejector only gets used when the bolt is coming back
He had a spasm there
Some howling blokes in this video
Tier 2 Army. 70.000 troops, no tanks, not enough bullets to last more than a day. General population never seen a gun, never mind being familiar with one.
alliances.
This has to be an old video.... osprey and susat....Jesus haven't used either since 2014!
Andrew Devine SUSAT's are still issued in Phase 1 and are still kept by Regs who don't need an Elcan LDS.
My mate recently returned on completion of Phase 1. He's joined the RAC, and he got issued the SUSAT.
Osprey MK4 and the MK7 lid are both actually standard and infantry issue, but specialist infantry regs and units get VIRTUS.
Desantos123 UK I can guarantee you that every infantryman gets virtus. If not he wears ECBA as it's an exercise. No one going abroad is issued osprey anymore in the infantry. Not infantry....just pretend soldiers anyway
Andrew Devine basically yeah. soldiers who are in the Army and will never see action on the frontlines will only have MK6A's, MK7's, Osprey, ECBA, SUSAT's, etc.
some soldiers don't even get issued ECBA, let alone the small single issued plate for it.
Yeah we didn't get issued Osprey or ECBA, just on a given exercise it seemed like someone flipped a coin and went "Heads we issue ECBA for this exercise, tails we issue Osprey." To be fair "will never see action" is a bit unfair, soldiers in support roles move around a lot, so it's more like "Won't see action during their current posting." Even then... for example while I was in my last unit I still had a Mk6 helmet (not 6A, just 6) as did quite a few others, some of the new lads coming from Depot got 7's, but the moment a trawl came through for Ukraine, Somalia, Iraq, etc the QM's broke out fresh sets of Virtus and began handing them out. Stores are for storing not issuing you know?
Why do people still use SUSAT
Ali Ullah they from are non-infantry units
what happened to the old cocking handle? lol. was great for hooking onto your belt when on stag, but shite and unreliable in the field :)
kris goodgroves it went in the bins at the H&K workshops along with everything else crap about the A1; this is the A2 model, a far superior weapon and whatever some in this comments section think as good as any 5.56 rifle in the world right now
The rifle is good... but rip anyone who is a left hand shooter... literally 100% impossible to use left handed
Everyone's just trained to fire right handed, and eye dominance isn't a permanent thing either, with training left eye dominant people can mover to right eye. And there are drills for firing from the left in CQC situations.
Sevoverkill if someone already does shooting etc it’s hard to change your hand after you’ve been doing left handed shooting for years
@@-Cheif Not really an issue in the UK, most blokes get into the army without having ever fired a gun before, maybe in the cadets they fired an L98 but that's basically an L85 so they were firing right handed anyway.
Sevoverkill true, I guess in a country where most people never shot a gun before it wouldn’t be that much of an issue.
Still a downside however albeit a negligible one in that regards.
@@-Cheif Yeah it's more of a minor inconvenience than some major flaw that ruins the gun
They’re not British army, they’re RAF
Guy firing at the start is royal signals
That. Stupid. Fucking. Grip/bipod.
No that's smart
A lada converted into a Mercedes 🤣
looks like its made out of pot metal.
I don't think you need to be much of a 'marksman' to hit the target at that range lol
Again... ZEROING.
@Shaun Mclaren well said 😂
Demonstrating that you have safe handling skills, and don't get 'all excited' when holding a real live gun, and can hear, recall and obey instructions, not least safe handling rules... and of course to learn how to shoot, before going to the range.
Just another example of bungled procurement by the MOD. With so many quality AR's to choose from ,they came up with this.
Jon Reeves Got to love the MOD they have everything in the world but choose this heap of junk with rifles like the ak5
Jon Reeves the SA80 is a amazing rifle tested and it's very sturdy
Jacob, the SA80 may be sturdy and should be after its numerous relaunches. The fact remains there are superior AR's on the market, then and now, all of which would serve better.
Numerous? I count one. Just like the M16 which needed a relaunch after it was horrible when it launched but we all look past that these days don't we? Anyway AR's are over rated.
Have seen an otherwise sensible gun bloke fire one of the early L85A1s UNTIL it jammed (took a while), cleared it in a second with an immediate action drill and said: 'there, proved it's shite.'
Never fired an L1A1 that performed better, me.
Susat too old now
jamie the don yeah but it still does the job when you need it to and they're phasing it out for more modern sights
ACOGs are replacing them.
Anyone can shoot at targets that don't fire back
the turd reich and anyone can post comments like that on the internet where the people you're mocking can't hear you. Would pay fucking money to see you say that to their faces after a tour in Afghanistan
So to get used to the kick of live ammo, and to zero the sights, youre suggesting they shoot a living person? Err...
Can they not improve the gun?
Can you not improve your knowledge?
Parson Wilkerson "Gun"...
Parson Wilkerson You can't polish a turd sadly
The best thing to do is to ditch it and buy a new lighter rifle to replace it with
Mr MadMax it's not a turd. The A1 model was, the A2 and A3 are not, H&K ironed out the faults. Oh it's still pretty heavy I'll grant you but if you're in a position to care about it in the first place, in combat you're gonna want that reassuring solidity there just like the SLR before it, and OUT of combat if your rifle's too heavy for you either man up or get out of the military lol. By lighter rifle I'm guessing you probably mean something like the Steyr Aug which is excellent in design terms but which to me has an air of flimsiness to it, I know it's NOT flimsy but I'm talking about how it makes me feel while holding it
1IbramGaunt If that's the first rifle that comes to mind then you don't have a concept of modern rifles
Such as
Desert tech MDR
Iwi x95
Keltec RDB
FN F2000
And many more that are more reliable than the L85a2
So I'd like to know you opinion on This please as why the sa80 is such a "great" rifle
The only problem I have with the A2s is that they look ugly.
piece of crap gun
Ronaldo Roda haha "gun"😣 you mean a weapon
Ronaldo Roda the A1 yes it could burn in a hole the a2 on the other hand is actually a pretty good gun to use
Ronaldo Roda don't confuse the A1 and A2 models, there's a big difference
I’d be surprised if you have ever even fired one
Couple of mistakes but hey, one thing I'll point out are the feet, flat down please hah
Can't even make a decent rifle it's fckn wank
mark g have you ever actually used it in combat, in real life not in a video game?
That rifle is completely backwards, ,,oh hang on Mr taliban just got to grab my multi tool to adjust the site haha
kinda the fucking point of calibration before going out
They are calibrating the sights.
Simon99 Sim it's called a bullpop rifle these types of rifles are actually pretty good
ExoTitan300 no it's a bullpup lol
...mechanism behind the trigger its a bullpup
Guns not the best, but if they like it so be it
AmericanValor The SA80A2 is fucking phenomenal the A1 on the other hand is a nightmare. However the A2 is far better due to the enhancements they made with the inner workings of the rifle as well as the cocking handle being curved to deflect the cartridge. A2 is an amazing rifle.
Jack Beattie I didn't know that, thanks man!
how long until the A3 is introduced en masse? i heard it was being rolled out just not when
its already rolled out out to all the infantry and cav regiments its just some of the signals and logistics haven't got it yet
Uh what? Mate there is no such thing as an L85A3... okay not entirely true: There is a promotional image made by HK of potential upgrades to the A2 and prototypes they are trying to get orders for from the MOD but none are in service.
Are you maybe thinking of the Upper Receiver that HK reworked recently? Still an A2 however.
They should really get rid of that piece of trash, getting H&K to refurbish them a bit isn't good enough.
If you want bullpup get a nice sexy steyr
They should just go G36
the A3 is supposed to fix any issues the A2 has and the A2 eliminated all issues with the original
evan om have you ever used any of the SA80A2 family? Cause I have and I can tell you they're a brilliant platform
Not much people outside of the british military have been given the oportunity to fire one but considering all of the genuine information coming out about them, they must be bad.
I understand many people stick up for the weapon for patriotism reasons but they really need to just admit they missed the mark on this one
I agree every army should just use the m416
Lucky french bastards xD
Good army but they're firearms are trash
guineapigpink 7 their*
guineapigpink 7 NO THEYRE CERTAINLY NOT! who are you to say the rifles are bad! you've never used the A2 platform!
guineapigpink 7 Let them test it out on you - let's put your theory to the test
Dude my weapons would oulast the shit out of theirs . Not to mention I clean the hell out of them . The bolt on my ar15 is as slick as a penis after a wank . And all the parts are as shiny as chuck Norris's right fist
guineapigpink 7 Ironically the British Military was advised by HK to stop cleaning the Rifles so frequently as that's what was causing unnecessary wear and snapping of the firing pins.
It's safe to say the advice given by HK was confidently ignored as we ALWAYS clean the Rifles, even if we don't fire them or load any rounds.