You just clean it when it needs cleaning like if you’ve got debris/water/fouling in it.. simple. Strip it down, clean it up, dry it off with some flanelette and give the springs a light oil to keep the rust at bay.
I joined the cadets a few months ago and in a few weeks for annual I’m going on a field craft exercise at war cop I was supposed to do this at otter burn however we needed to do the WHT for the L98A2 so I’m looking forward to that
timestamps cuz I need them 0:04 standard NSP/ taking control of weapon 0:19 NSP for handing it over to someone else (basically the same stuff as before 0:41 stripping weapon for cleaning 2:17 putting back rifle together again and functions test 5:14 stoppage drills
I appreciate this is a test for cadets. Functions test doesn't have to be full as it is repetition only with the cadet rifle (L98 A2) however once obstruction is CLEAR. user must check chamber . CHAMBER CLEAR. this is to ensure there is not a round seated in the chamber before re inserting magazine and releasing the bolt. If there was a round in there you would be starting back with another obstruction. Should all be in pamphlet. Let's ignore the rest for now haha
Just passed a weapons handling test today after not touching a rifle in over a year. Quite proud tbh. I was trying to show my dad that you cock the rifle with your left hand bc your right shouldn’t leave the pistol grip bc he said it didn’t seem right lol
I see this in a lot of videos people akwardly reaching over instead of tilting the rifle which makes it easier and safer lol. Good job if I tired to do this now I'd forget half of it lol
Omg… I don’t know why but I LOVED the weapon handling tests so much.. we still do them but I’m now a 3* cadet and am now teaching basic cadets… I can’t WAIT to work w the weapons w them
THERE WAS A MISTAKE MADE BY THE WAY! He forgot the 7 point check 😬 (bolt, body, chamber, bolt, body, chamber, SWIPE THE MAGAZINE HOUSING) everyone forgets to swipe
@@joshrymer6229 you actually keep the weapon upright til you have the working parts fully to the rear and engaged the hold-open device. THEN you tilt the weapon towards you so the only reason you tilt it away is to insert/remove a magazine or if you’re doing stoppage drills and you need to make sure the body and chamber are clear
@@theearthguy1814 you need special training to be able to hold a replica weapon and teach them their NSPs and Rifle Drills, yes, but I loved teaching the principles, shooting positions, moving with a rifle, weapon safety and teaching on a wooden cutout. I also taught the different parts of the rifle and assisted with reminding people of what to do while they were cleaning their rifles.
As gay as this video is, this comment is even gayer, who the fuck cares? .... fun fact on 99% of all stoppages when the bolt fails to go into battery (on any weapon system) smashing it with a forward assist will only aide in making it all worse #pointlessdrill #butwe’vealwaysdonethat #drillsjustforthesakeofit #britisharmyisactuallyalotshitterthanyourealise
@@Bite_Me_MF u do the forward assist every time the bolt goes forward (especially when u load a magazine) to make sure the round is in battery and to break down carbon that is present after firing or before firing that wasnt cleaned in the cleaning process, this whole drill actually prevents future malfunctions believe it or not. But ofcourse it is possible for it to cause malfunctions to go worse, with malfunctions u just need common sense.
We was re-issued with this in Late 86 and we all hated it, Wanted our SLR's back. When first issued the SA80 was a total pig, breach explosions, constant stoppages due to the gas work issues....mainly due to the carbon build up, things used to break off, we was issued M16 mags to start, dent....round jams, spring frics in the Mag.......and the damn mags had a habit of just dropping off the damn weapon. Thing I hated the most whilst stripping, yah that bloody horrible strap removal......lol. Good points Great accuracy, short & compact, and the 5.56mm being so much lighter than the 7.62 you could each carry so much more ammo into battle, the SUSAT being standard was also a great turn. Must say it became a much better weapon once HK did the overhauls. But still, it certainly didn't have the stopping power of SLR......you knew you hit the target when slotting with the SLR, SA80 required multiple hits to down ya target in most cases with body shots.
Strange reply here from me mate. I was 2 Para 74-97. When we changed from the SLR Blunderbuss to the SA 80, I recognised two issues. One, that the stopping power (in my humble opinion) of the 7.62 far out-smacked that of the 5.56, second, that the SA80 outshone the SLR (even with a Suit/SUSAT sight.) The SA 80 certainly brought you up a level accuracy wise. HOWEVER, having spoken to an ex REME armourer mate of mine (who did FORTY years in Britmil cos he was so good at his job,) he said that the reason that us Brits lost faith in the 5.56 was because on trials (which he was part of) they used BRIT manufactured/spec 5.56 ammo and it BEAT the SLR in penetration!!!! I was gobsmacked at this. When Britmil adaopted the SA80, we reverted to yank manufactured 5.56 (to save money, what fucking changes) and the adoption of that ammo, did not compete with the more expensive Brit manufactured ammo. He did explain further (beyond my understanding)
Some things to make sure to remember as they are easy to forget: Tap forwards. Always check safety. Right hand at rear to catch the spring should it fly out. Pre-strip NSP: Don't fire it off. Pick up the imaginary round that leaves the chamber after opening (when readied) Don't forget to take your time and talk/think yourself through it.
during gold fieldcraft we were forced to run 20m sprints back and forward while a warrant officer would scream at us to react to contact and gave us individual weapon malfunctions during the contact until we all knew them like clockwork, great fun.
Yes, he did not forward assist every time and he did miss the dust cover on occasions but if the rifle had been designed properly in the first place they would not be an issue. Give the man a proper RIFLE , no excuses..... "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are prepared to walk the night and do violence in our name." George Orwell.
@@stephennelmes2707 traditionally, guns have smooth bores, rifles have rifling in the barrel (So technically the main weapon of the challenger 2 tank is a rifle). but one definition of gun is "A tube for launching a projectile" so by that definition you are not actually wrong :-). .. by that definition, all rifles are guns, but not all guns are rifles .... ..
@@LtBdoesStuff So it IS a gun. But, a more accurate description would be a hand held, optically sighted, magazine fed, one man portable, air cooled kinetic energy weapon using the feed cock load lock fire unlock extract eject mechanism. My MK 44 MINIGUN operates on a similar system but is electrically driven using a 24 volt DC battery.
I'm 24 now, left the Army Cadets when I was 16. Haven't done weapons handling with the L98A2 or any other variation of firearm for over 8 years, and yet as I watched this I was amazed to find that I remember absolutely everything, even down to the easily forgettable forward assist. Goes to show it really is all about muscle memory. Listen carefully and put the time into practicing, and you won't even have to think about it when your test comes around. Proud former 2 Mercian Cadet. SFSH 😝🇬🇧
okay, i know this really isn’t my place to be in and i’m probably going to get stormed at in the comments, but i’m 14 and i’m a portsmouth sea cadet, these tests are the absolute death of me but this video actually helps me recall the drills, especially the F/A and the bloody dust covers . it also reminds me of some things the cadet did wrong. but still, thanks for helping me out :)
Not forward assisting is not an instant fail it's a minor mistake which you are allowed it only becomes an instant fail if it's anything to do with safety ie not checking the safety catch
Lewis Byrne it’s not a forward assist, it’s named changed when the L85 went from A1 to A2, and when the L98 did likewise. It’s now known as the tap forward and is to ensure the locking splines on the bolt are fully engaged and therefore the bolt is fully forward so the firing pin can actually hit the percussion cap/primer
Interesting video. I'm curious. What's the reason behind the karate chop to the cocking handle when the I guess bold is already forward asides from ensuring the handle is fully forward. I can't help but think the bolt (hope I got that right) should move fully forward without obstruction.
sometimes and only sometimes all weapons have bolts that may not fully seat forward due to carbon build up or dirt. So a forward assist (karate chop) is to ensure the sear is engaged ready for trigger to be pulled. If not then you can pull the trigger all day and it won't do a thing until the bolt is fully seated in the chamber. This weapon usually doesn't have a problem but the A1 version of the SA80 did, so the drills followed for any case scenario. Take note: not the cadet GP rifle A1 variant as that was bolt action only. (l98A1).
Cocking arm on right side for the soldier, it looked awkward having to reach over the weapon and disturb your line of sight? I only game shoot with old style side by side 12 bore and .22 rimfire rifle usually with shorts for rabbits. Really interesting see what happens with the big stuff. That said only a small calibre the SA80? How does that feel facing of the bad guys usual AK47 or such like? Stay and shoot safe all best Nobby PS probably on the preferable side if hot shell casings are ejected? Need to read on this gun...sorry rifle
I like how all of the 'experts' with anime pictures are talking about what he's done wrong. Like you would do any better. They probably never even done anything like this.
I have heard and read atrocious stories about the SA80/ L85A1. I own a semi-auto version of the Armalite 180 which has the same similar multi lug rotating bolt, gas piston from the Russian Tokarev rifle, square bolt carrier, and M16 like fire control system taken from the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, copied on to the AK series. Designed by Eugene Stoner who invented the AR-15 and later improved M16, A1, A2, A3, A4, M4, and M4A1. I think it was a good design that the British Military had decided to use. First is the good. First is the stamped receiver. Even though the Germans were first to produce submachineguns as cheaply for mass production as in the MP 38/40, later with the MP 43, STG 44 and 45. Britain produced more STEN guns for the war effort and provided more firepower. The STEN is a very good design but it came down to the soldier firing and selecting magazines that worked and functioned during training before combat. The STEN was good because I also own one. Bottom line is why didn't Enfield back in the day make any semi-auto versions make many for the American market for collectors and shooters like me? I would have loved to own one of these. I have an RSAF 1967 L1A1 which I have built and enjoy shooting. I can understand why the L1A1 is too long, heavy, less ammunition capacity as magazine wise for the average British or FAL, G-3 armed infantryman in combat. The US Army realized this in Vietnam. An American Infantryman in the early days as a Marine or Army would have 5-7 magazines loaded with 7.62 NATO in 20 round magazines and an extra 200 round bandoliers. Bigger caliber means more weight in a combat load with pack. Meaning in a fire fight or heavy combat which emphasizes more on volume of fire on the enemy so that a unit can maneuver and flank to close in. 7.62mm NATO ammo doesn't cut it for combat unless it's a GPMG to cover you as you move. The later M16A1 makes sense with all the improvements to ammunition and components like the chromed chamber and barrel, chromed bolt carrier interior, and a 30 round mag. With these improvements the M16A1 was still in service beyond 1984 when the Army and Marines got the A2 and finally out by 1997. I have for my shooting pleasure an original Colt AR-15 from 1978, and builds of an M16A1 rifle, carbine, and M4s. Sorry I have been drinking too much but have enjoyed the topic.
Surely with the obstruction stoppage drill the Staff Sgt should’ve checked that the chamber was clear before reinserting the magazine. I’ve been told you can fail your test for not doing that
I was taught, if you happen to miss a round in the chamber somehow, and then take an aimed shot, and kill someone, it wouldnt be classed as murder, so look just over the sights when doing it (Its what i did, thought i dont know how youre supposed to miss a round in the chamber when doing the 7 point check)
A couple of non-native-English-speaking soldiers asked to watch this to prepare them for some typical instructions they might encounter while serving as NATO troops in the UK. The voices on the video can be difficult to hear and the voice recognition is often completely wrong, so I recorded as best I can a transcript of what the instructor and soldier being tested say. I'm not military myself, so I may have misheard some of the details. I put it here in case anyone else would find it helpful. If anyone has any suggestions for corrections, please add feedback! Okay, this weapon’s not been under your direct supervision but what-I-want-you-to-do is TAKE CONTROL OF THE WEAPON. What I want you to do is HAND (it) BACK OVER TO ME. The clip. Keep hold of the weapon yourself. Can we do our ???? here? Okay. Take a seat. What I want you to do is STRIP THE WEAPON FOR A NORMAL DAY’S CLEANING. (1:09) Okay, while you’re stripping your weapon can you tell me what sized flannel you’ve used to clean the barrel. 45 by 45 millimetres. What size (something) flannel would you use to clean the barrel? 45 by 45 millimetres Okay, can you show me how you would examine the barrel cleanliness. That's Great! When would you strip a magazine When it’s really needing a clean because of dirty conditions. Yeah that’s fine. Can you explain to me or demonstrate how you’d remove filing or debris from the chamber. Just talk me through it. With the correct tool, I would … erm put a swab in there, or a brush Yes, that’s fine, thank you. 2:15 Okay, what I want you to do is REASSEMBLE THE WEAPON and CARRY OUT THE WEAPONS FUNCTION TEST. 3.56 Okay, for the next test, whachawanya to do is remove the penny, depress it and fill the magazine with 10 new rounds. Are you gonna say start or just, (youknow)…? Okay, go! 4:29 Excellent, well done. And on the word of command, “go” I want you to remove the 10 rounds. “Go!” Can you put the penny press back into the magazine, please? Okay, can you put the magazine in your ammunition pouch. Sling the weapon and stand up. Okay, listen in: with the magazine with the penny depressor fitted, “Load!” “Down!” “Ready!” 5:39 “With the magazine with the penny depressor fitted, “Make set!” (?) 6:01 “Ready!” 6:07 “(Tightens to front). Go on.” Rifle firing right. Rifle firing right. Rifle stops. 6:22 Upon looking at the cocking handle, the cocking handle is fully forwards. Rifle fires right. Rifle fires right. 6:32 Stop! 6:37 Go on! Rifle fires right. Rifle fires right. Rifle fires right. Rifle stops. Upon looking at the cocking handle, the cocking handle is fully forwards. Rifle still fails to fire. 7:00 Now, upon examination, the body of the chamber, your see rounds in the magazine and no rounds in the chamber. Rifle fires right. Rifle fires right. Stop! Go on! Rifle fires right. Rifle fires right. Rifle stops. 7:30 Upon looking at the cocking handle, you see the cocking handle is neither fully forwards, nor fully rearwards. Obstruction. Obstruction clear. Rifle fires right. Stop! Go on! Rifle fires right. 8:01 Rifle fires right Rifle stops. 8:06 Upon looking at the cocking handle…So for this weapon, can you just hold the (?) to the rear 8:16 Upon looking at the cocking handle, you see is full rearwards. Upon looking inside the rifle, you see that there are no rounds in the magazine and no rounds in the chamber. Go on. Rifle fires right. Rifle fires right. Stop. Unload! 8:53 Stand up! End of session What? End of session.
Few things i noticed that wasnt done correctly when cocking the handle they didnt forward assist, they also didnt take apart fully the bolt assembly or test the automatic function during the functions test. just some small details I noticed not sure if its done differently in the army so please correct me if wrong :)
this is the L98A2. This varient designed only for cadets has the change lever removed. Therefore does not have an automatic fire function, nor to test.
@@spinny3939 my partner used to be in marine cadets when younger and said they'd be real unwilling to let cadets use susats and if they had one on site they'd have a bucket of sand near by and you was instructed to stop make safe weapons and leave asap and the instructor would deal with the broken susat lol apparently they're quite radioactive or some shit, weather that's an instructor fucking with cadets I don't know lol.
A lot of comments on here about the drills, sequence of stripping etc. Some of the drills on the test were wrong, some of the comments also wrong. I did my Skill At Arms Instructor course at the School Of Infantry at Brecon. Where did all you experts do your course?
At 6:16 when the weapon fails to fire first time & the instructor/examiner says *"cocking handle appears fully forward."* The soldier forward assists & then (apparently) continues to fire. I've always found this to be a flawed practice, as when the weapon fails to fire you'd have fired off the action. Which means the only action to take in the instance of such a stoppage would be to cock the rifle again. By all means, correct me if I'm wrong, it's just a thought I'd had recently.
From my experiments with the weapon, if the bolt is not seated properly pulling the trigger does not fire off the action. Thus a forward assist would put the bolt in place allowing the action to be fired.
But then again, what I did do in basic training during pairs fire & maneuver, is get a stoppage & immediately try to re-cock the weapon, which because the bolt wasn't in contact with the round has caused the round not to be ejected & the next round has been pushed into the back of the round already in the chamber causing a mega stoppage & a great deal of shouting & flapping!
Due to the stoppage not being actually real, it's hard to explain, this stoppage is the bolt carrier not travelling far enough forward, meaning the hammer is not able to be realised due to it being cocked onto the safety sear, not the main sear (which the trigger can control), tapping forward assist would then allow the bolt carrier to move that little further forward, tripping the safety sear allowing the hammer to be cocked on the main sear, so when the trigger is pulled the hammer is realised and fires the round. In this test due to not being able to replicate the bolt assembly not moving forward enough when the trigger is pulled the hammer will come up, and the drill looks pointless, but for a live stoppage, this is absolutely what you should do.
It's only the last 1/8th (one eighth) of inch of forward movement by the bolt carrier assembly that the bolt rotates 22.5 degrees to the right. The hammer is prevented from being released until the BCA is fully forward. This is known as mechanical safety.
@@GreysUniverse i believe it can fire auto, however they just take of the selector switch so its impossible to set it to auto! I remember being super happy when we were the first crow bags to play with this on the range to see how a competent cadet could get on with it! It was a breath of fresh air compared to the single shot per cock bullshit we had been used to! even more fun when they said we were allowed to finally stand up and fire too! Believe it or not there was a time as a cadet where you weren't allowed to fire anything unless you were in the prone position! -,-
passed my weapon's handling test once and i'll have to do it again so i'm here just revising. update: i did the test the second time, kinda made 2 mistakes. i don't know if thats a fail or not but um i passed in the end so its alright
Been a long time but dont you check your on single shot as part of making ready? Safety catch, change lever check range on sights then cock the weapon?
The L98A2 does not have a change lever as it is a system designed for use in the cadet forces and is semi only (no automatic capability). You may be thinking of the L85A* SA80 and L86A* LSW systems that can fire semi and auto.
This isn’t a scenario according to all possible FTC’s/stove-piping etc. It’s actually a demonstration of a fully operational BAE systems model of the SA-80 before H&K played with it. 🤓❤️👍
The foward assist is old doctrine, I don't know why it would still be being taught? If you have a failure to feed, or the bolt will not go into battery behind a chambered round, then the round should be discarded. Any round that does not want to go into the chamber on it's own, should not be forced in. The bullet could have been pushed back into the neck of the case slightly during the malfunction, or the brass could have been damaged causing headspace issues.
I'm thinking of joining air cadets, do you guys still do skill at arms? I left army cadets because it wasn't for me but i loved the skill at arms training. So if they do then that would be a bonus
@@steelernation1989 ok thank you :) I might join after lockdown is over but im still not sure as its on Wednesday and Friday and im usually busy on Friday and i do stuff with my family on Wednesday and in army cadets was Tuesday and Thursday, but ill give it a try
In the cadet forces, the weapon is stripped only to a certain extent to prevent the risk of losing small components. Stripping the bolt carrier assembly is restricted to adult instructors to ensure proper handling. The same principle applies here as if you were to give a cadet two ball bearings in a sealed room - one would get lost, and the other will get broken.
@@anglo6248 Stpoppage drills are a fundamental part of weapon training in the British Army and are part of the MATT 1 weapon handling test. They are some of the most basic drills and all trained soldiers have to demonstrate proficiency at them yearly at a minimum.
What's all this forward assist nonsense, does this gun suck so bad that you have to use the forward assist every time before taking a shot, why would that even be a requirement to use the forward assist during this test. I don't know about this gun but the AR-15 didn't even have a forward assist to begin with and the inventor Eugene Stoner was against it because if a round doesn't just go into the chamber naturally there's probably something wrong with the the gun or cartridge but since the guns have to be used in combat and not just on the range they added it for situations where you didn't have time to diagnose the problem so you just jam the forward assist forward and hope it works, I guess it works most the time because they kept it.
When would you clean the magazine.
"When it really needs cleaning"
Best answer ever
Is he wrong tho
If you have an empty magazine you are in a world of shit and cleaning it should be the last thing on your mind
Is it not in wet muddy conditions or dry Sandy conditions ?
It would be in the cleaning routine, and if the magazine gets wet or used
You just clean it when it needs cleaning like if you’ve got debris/water/fouling in it.. simple. Strip it down, clean it up, dry it off with some flanelette and give the springs a light oil to keep the rust at bay.
I see his pouches are full. A good cadet keeps healthy stocks of haribo starmix and Dr Pepper.
Haha good one. Gotta keep the NAAFI going
Im getting the word nonse!!!
I just came off a shooting camp with the L144, and I will say, this is entirely true and I upheld it
Our colour sargent likes mars bars above everything
I joined the cadets a few months ago and in a few weeks for annual I’m going on a field craft exercise at war cop I was supposed to do this at otter burn however we needed to do the WHT for the L98A2 so I’m looking forward to that
timestamps cuz I need them
0:04 standard NSP/ taking control of weapon
0:19 NSP for handing it over to someone else (basically the same stuff as before
0:41 stripping weapon for cleaning
2:17 putting back rifle together again and functions test
5:14 stoppage drills
Annual Camp?
@@Beeqqs yea bro
@@anglo6248 company?
Tysm for this got my wht again soon
Just about to go to cadets and do my test,wish me luck!!
I'm stressing,like a lot.this vid helped me recall the things I've been taught thanks 🙂
Don’t worry about it it will be fine and we’ll done in your one sta r
@@gregorlaidlaw3529 thanks so much 😁 I passed and I now only have 2 subjects left till I get my 2 star!
@@rubles1423 update passed my WHT
I’ve got one tomorrow, hope yours was good
i have one tomorrow 💪
I appreciate this is a test for cadets. Functions test doesn't have to be full as it is repetition only with the cadet rifle (L98 A2) however once obstruction is CLEAR. user must check chamber . CHAMBER CLEAR. this is to ensure there is not a round seated in the chamber before re inserting magazine and releasing the bolt. If there was a round in there you would be starting back with another obstruction. Should all be in pamphlet. Let's ignore the rest for now haha
That is the function test for the Cadet GP. And yes it does have to be that exactly.
Luckily I passed it, it's quite easy once you get the jist of it.
Just passed a weapons handling test today after not touching a rifle in over a year. Quite proud tbh. I was trying to show my dad that you cock the rifle with your left hand bc your right shouldn’t leave the pistol grip bc he said it didn’t seem right lol
I see this in a lot of videos people akwardly reaching over instead of tilting the rifle which makes it easier and safer lol. Good job if I tired to do this now I'd forget half of it lol
It's a terrible rifle... why does the uk use these horrid things
@@mushbrain1753 Because not only they look good, but they don't break down a lot or overheat a lot. You can look up why the L98A2 is really great.
@@TheRealMichaelYT As a brit it's still below average for a rifle only have it because politics
@@mushbrain1753Nato wanting 556x45mm and us brits wanting stuff to be made by brits... stupid levels of patriitism
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Omg… I don’t know why but I LOVED the weapon handling tests so much.. we still do them but I’m now a 3* cadet and am now teaching basic cadets… I can’t WAIT to work w the weapons w them
THERE WAS A MISTAKE MADE BY THE WAY! He forgot the 7 point check 😬 (bolt, body, chamber, bolt, body, chamber, SWIPE THE MAGAZINE HOUSING) everyone forgets to swipe
@@khloeisgone4065 more than just that, forgot to forward assist after a couple of the drills too.
@@joshrymer6229 you actually keep the weapon upright til you have the working parts fully to the rear and engaged the hold-open device. THEN you tilt the weapon towards you so the only reason you tilt it away is to insert/remove a magazine or if you’re doing stoppage drills and you need to make sure the body and chamber are clear
cadets don't do weapons trainings. you need special training to do that
@@theearthguy1814 you need special training to be able to hold a replica weapon and teach them their NSPs and Rifle Drills, yes, but I loved teaching the principles, shooting positions, moving with a rifle, weapon safety and teaching on a wooden cutout. I also taught the different parts of the rifle and assisted with reminding people of what to do while they were cleaning their rifles.
Forgot forward assist in places and missed ejected round
Yes, good spot
As gay as this video is, this comment is even gayer, who the fuck cares? .... fun fact on 99% of all stoppages when the bolt fails to go into battery (on any weapon system) smashing it with a forward assist will only aide in making it all worse #pointlessdrill #butwe’vealwaysdonethat #drillsjustforthesakeofit #britisharmyisactuallyalotshitterthanyourealise
@@Bite_Me_MF u do the forward assist every time the bolt goes forward (especially when u load a magazine) to make sure the round is in battery and to break down carbon that is present after firing or before firing that wasnt cleaned in the cleaning process, this whole drill actually prevents future malfunctions believe it or not. But ofcourse it is possible for it to cause malfunctions to go worse, with malfunctions u just need common sense.
Colour forgot his forward assist and aperture check on his iron sights 🤫 great upload memories of ITC
I have this test literally tmr this video is a big help thank you!
You going to annual camp?
We was re-issued with this in Late 86 and we all hated it, Wanted our SLR's back. When first issued the SA80 was a total pig, breach explosions, constant stoppages due to the gas work issues....mainly due to the carbon build up, things used to break off, we was issued M16 mags to start, dent....round jams, spring frics in the Mag.......and the damn mags had a habit of just dropping off the damn weapon. Thing I hated the most whilst stripping, yah that bloody horrible strap removal......lol. Good points Great accuracy, short & compact, and the 5.56mm being so much lighter than the 7.62 you could each carry so much more ammo into battle, the SUSAT being standard was also a great turn. Must say it became a much better weapon once HK did the overhauls. But still, it certainly didn't have the stopping power of SLR......you knew you hit the target when slotting with the SLR, SA80 required multiple hits to down ya target in most cases with body shots.
Strange reply here from me mate. I was 2 Para 74-97. When we changed from the SLR Blunderbuss to the SA 80, I recognised two issues. One, that the stopping power (in my humble opinion) of the 7.62 far out-smacked that of the 5.56, second, that the SA80 outshone the SLR (even with a Suit/SUSAT sight.) The SA 80 certainly brought you up a level accuracy wise. HOWEVER, having spoken to an ex REME armourer mate of mine (who did FORTY years in Britmil cos he was so good at his job,) he said that the reason that us Brits lost faith in the 5.56 was because on trials (which he was part of) they used BRIT manufactured/spec 5.56 ammo and it BEAT the SLR in penetration!!!! I was gobsmacked at this. When Britmil adaopted the SA80, we reverted to yank manufactured 5.56 (to save money, what fucking changes) and the adoption of that ammo, did not compete with the more expensive Brit manufactured ammo. He did explain further (beyond my understanding)
@@peterstubbs5934 Thank you for your service Brother.
Thanks for this Staff. Excited for the 1* WHT today.
The real question is, were you excited for CBRN? So many people hate doing it.
been 20 years since doing this in army training and still remember 90% of it great memories
mate wtf
@@coconut5925 eh?
@@fnpro9770 look at his profile mate
mate with all respect there's no way you've been in the army with that fortnite pfp
As a cadet I just passed my WHT and it was so fun and glad I passed!
I haven't done this for about 10 years. Still remember like it was yesterday
Royal signals, testing a para! 😂😫 Brilliant.
A skilly's a skilly, even if wearing Jimmy. Rhyme unintentional.
Some things to make sure to remember as they are easy to forget: Tap forwards. Always check safety. Right hand at rear to catch the spring should it fly out. Pre-strip NSP: Don't fire it off. Pick up the imaginary round that leaves the chamber after opening (when readied) Don't forget to take your time and talk/think yourself through it.
Passed my WHT yesterday!
Lots of "experts" on here.
I did 4 tours with the army cadets. One time I even got a blister at Cattrick.
- in best hound voice - Lots of cunts
Memories are made of this... For me it was an SLR, BREN or GPMG.... Happy days... Huzzah!!
during gold fieldcraft we were forced to run 20m sprints back and forward while a warrant officer would scream at us to react to contact and gave us individual weapon malfunctions during the contact until we all knew them like clockwork, great fun.
Never mind forgetting the F/A who else thinks those gas parts came out way to easily
Yes, he did not forward assist every time and he did miss the dust cover on occasions but if the rifle had been designed properly in the first place they would not be an issue. Give the man a proper RIFLE , no excuses..... "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are prepared to walk the night and do violence in our name." George Orwell.
its a rifle .. not a gun .. ;-)
@@LtBdoesStuff I stand corrected but what's the difference?
@@stephennelmes2707 traditionally, guns have smooth bores, rifles have rifling in the barrel (So technically the main weapon of the challenger 2 tank is a rifle). but one definition of gun is "A tube for launching a projectile" so by that definition you are not actually wrong :-). .. by that definition, all rifles are guns, but not all guns are rifles ....
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@@LtBdoesStuff So it IS a gun. But, a more accurate description would be a hand held, optically sighted, magazine fed, one man portable, air cooled kinetic energy weapon using the feed cock load lock fire unlock extract eject mechanism. My MK 44 MINIGUN operates on a similar system but is electrically driven using a 24 volt DC battery.
@@stephennelmes2707 its a mouthful , but that will do it, and save any arguments :-)
I'm 24 now, left the Army Cadets when I was 16. Haven't done weapons handling with the L98A2 or any other variation of firearm for over 8 years, and yet as I watched this I was amazed to find that I remember absolutely everything, even down to the easily forgettable forward assist. Goes to show it really is all about muscle memory. Listen carefully and put the time into practicing, and you won't even have to think about it when your test comes around.
Proud former 2 Mercian Cadet. SFSH 😝🇬🇧
He missed out sm forward assists and it was triggering
Well spotted
Lol yeah it is
Molly Pawlett x forward assists are for civvies
FORWARD ASSIST WHERE IS SHE
Shoein the winkle flinkle twinkle sticks innit? Abscholoot mad lad, this one.
super helpful thank you
Completed my L98A2 WHT when I was 13, hardest thing to do when you've got a grizzled old guy with a moustache breathing down your neck
I remember going to water beach to do this you never forget how you feel before and after passing
Ah, I hear this is the best rifle in the world
okay, i know this really isn’t my place to be in and i’m probably going to get stormed at in the comments, but i’m 14 and i’m a portsmouth sea cadet, these tests are the absolute death of me but this video actually helps me recall the drills, especially the F/A and the bloody dust covers . it also reminds me of some things the cadet did wrong. but still, thanks for helping me out :)
Im a 40 year old ssgt in the marines this weapon is the death of me never mind the drills haha
I have the test tomorrow. BTW while stripping the rifle, so i send working parts to the rear?
@@vinayvenkatesh5934 yeah, before removing the TMH pins
Ahah I'm 15 and I have the test tommorow with my cadets lol
I call it the civil servant you can not fire them
And they cost too much money
his side burns are adorable
Holy shit! Staff sergeant Ryan, I can do a better WHT thank him lmao, he’s meant to be my staff sergeant
Remember having to do this during the Royal Navy basic training. Brings back memories for sure 😅
Not forward assisting is not an instant fail it's a minor mistake which you are allowed it only becomes an instant fail if it's anything to do with safety ie not checking the safety catch
The instructor also says upon looking at the cocking handle, when I learnt upon inspection of the cocking handle but it’s different in places
Didn't forward assist 😂😂😂
It isn’t ACF
Joe Is Clever so why is he wearing a CFAV TRF?
I’m joining army cadets soon when corona is over, does anyone know what forward assist is for?
Lewis Byrne it’s not a forward assist, it’s named changed when the L85 went from A1 to A2, and when the L98 did likewise.
It’s now known as the tap forward and is to ensure the locking splines on the bolt are fully engaged and therefore the bolt is fully forward so the firing pin can actually hit the percussion cap/primer
Jim Shoebridge but like what’s it actually for, when you run out of ammo and load a mag and you have to press it?
Interesting video. I'm curious. What's the reason behind the karate chop to the cocking handle when the I guess bold is already forward asides from ensuring the handle is fully forward. I can't help but think the bolt (hope I got that right) should move fully forward without obstruction.
sometimes and only sometimes all weapons have bolts that may not fully seat forward due to carbon build up or dirt. So a forward assist (karate chop) is to ensure the sear is engaged ready for trigger to be pulled. If not then you can pull the trigger all day and it won't do a thing until the bolt is fully seated in the chamber. This weapon usually doesn't have a problem but the A1 version of the SA80 did, so the drills followed for any case scenario. Take note: not the cadet GP rifle A1 variant as that was bolt action only. (l98A1).
Cocking arm on right side for the soldier, it looked awkward having to reach over the weapon and disturb your line of sight? I only game shoot with old style side by side 12 bore and .22 rimfire rifle usually with shorts for rabbits. Really interesting see what happens with the big stuff. That said only a small calibre the SA80? How does that feel facing of the bad guys usual AK47 or such like? Stay and shoot safe all best Nobby
PS probably on the preferable side if hot shell casings are ejected? Need to read on this gun...sorry rifle
I like how all of the 'experts' with anime pictures are talking about what he's done wrong. Like you would do any better. They probably never even done anything like this.
they are probably cadets who use this weapon and tbh they probably know this rifle better than you do
They probably play airsoft and think they're ali as fuck
CALLSIGN_K4O9 agreed. I have myself passed it recently, not a single thing missed
@@narada6329 nice. what regiment are you in?
CALLSIGN_K4O9 at our school they haven’t split us up into regiments, it’s generally just a random split when we parade to do different activities
i’ve not done my wht since over a year ago and i’ve got it tn and i barely remember it bc we don’t have any at our detachment
i have my test tomorrow and i am petrified for it! wish me luck!
Where is the foward assist at?
I have heard and read atrocious stories about the SA80/ L85A1. I own a semi-auto version of the Armalite 180 which has the same similar multi lug rotating bolt, gas piston from the Russian Tokarev rifle, square bolt carrier, and M16 like fire control system taken from the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, copied on to the AK series. Designed by Eugene Stoner who invented the AR-15 and later improved M16, A1, A2, A3, A4, M4, and M4A1. I think it was a good design that the British Military had decided to use. First is the good. First is the stamped receiver. Even though the Germans were first to produce submachineguns as cheaply for mass production as in the MP 38/40, later with the MP 43, STG 44 and 45. Britain produced more STEN guns for the war effort and provided more firepower. The STEN is a very good design but it came down to the soldier firing and selecting magazines that worked and functioned during training before combat. The STEN was good because I also own one. Bottom line is why didn't Enfield back in the day make any semi-auto versions make many for the American market for collectors and shooters like me? I would have loved to own one of these. I have an RSAF 1967 L1A1 which I have built and enjoy shooting. I can understand why the L1A1 is too long, heavy, less ammunition capacity as magazine wise for the average British or FAL, G-3 armed infantryman in combat. The US Army realized this in Vietnam. An American Infantryman in the early days as a Marine or Army would have 5-7 magazines loaded with 7.62 NATO in 20 round magazines and an extra 200 round bandoliers. Bigger caliber means more weight in a combat load with pack. Meaning in a fire fight or heavy combat which emphasizes more on volume of fire on the enemy so that a unit can maneuver and flank to close in. 7.62mm NATO ammo doesn't cut it for combat unless it's a GPMG to cover you as you move. The later M16A1 makes sense with all the improvements to ammunition and components like the chromed chamber and barrel, chromed bolt carrier interior, and a 30 round mag. With these improvements the M16A1 was still in service beyond 1984 when the Army and Marines got the A2 and finally out by 1997. I have for my shooting pleasure an original Colt AR-15 from 1978, and builds of an M16A1 rifle, carbine, and M4s. Sorry I have been drinking too much but have enjoyed the topic.
Tldr
@@gangbangoperator482 He said he owns some guns or something.
Gay
@@jedcollings3624 Okay expert. Explain? 😂😂😂
This variant is only used by the cadets, not the real army and only has iron sights and only shoots semi auto
you can tell he was a real para, his beret is peaked, he has wings and he has good knowledge of the weapon
My detachment is paras only one in our company so we are considered by our major as “ lizard brained wierdos”
@@gregorlaidlaw3529 let me guess, 2nd highlanders
@@Sol_7 Na though we do have a Scottish Sargent
@@gregorlaidlaw3529 we’re the only para det in the 2nd highlanders, and the only coy with more than 2 headdresses
first 20 secs he didnt check the safety before picking up the weapon and didnt forward assist the cocking handle after the NSP
After 9 years doing this it just muscle memory manage to pass weapon handling tests every 6 months
Chamber barrel brush..... I'll even take Christmas tree thingy........
Update I passed the WHT
Wow. You could have an SLR stripped by the time you'd got the sling off that thing lol.
No gas adjustment anymore? Checking change lever and sights on Ready?
1990 wants its sideburns back.
life fire
Surely with the obstruction stoppage drill the Staff Sgt should’ve checked that the chamber was clear before reinserting the magazine. I’ve been told you can fail your test for not doing that
Video's two years old, so probably different guidelines then. They also advise tipping to the right now for obstruction.
Guess we don't have to do the function test after stripping the weapon anymore 😑
didnt forward assist like 3 times jeeze
When you clear the chamber remember to take an aimed shot in the field
You know more than a staff sgt in the paras
I was taught, if you happen to miss a round in the chamber somehow, and then take an aimed shot, and kill someone, it wouldnt be classed as murder, so look just over the sights when doing it (Its what i did, thought i dont know how youre supposed to miss a round in the chamber when doing the 7 point check)
A couple of non-native-English-speaking soldiers asked to watch this to prepare them for some typical instructions they might encounter while serving as NATO troops in the UK. The voices on the video can be difficult to hear and the voice recognition is often completely wrong, so I recorded as best I can a transcript of what the instructor and soldier being tested say. I'm not military myself, so I may have misheard some of the details.
I put it here in case anyone else would find it helpful. If anyone has any suggestions for corrections, please add feedback!
Okay, this weapon’s not been under your direct supervision but what-I-want-you-to-do is TAKE CONTROL OF THE WEAPON.
What I want you to do is HAND (it) BACK OVER TO ME.
The clip.
Keep hold of the weapon yourself.
Can we do our ???? here?
Okay. Take a seat. What I want you to do is STRIP THE WEAPON FOR A NORMAL DAY’S CLEANING.
(1:09) Okay, while you’re stripping your weapon can you tell me what sized flannel you’ve used to clean the barrel.
45 by 45 millimetres.
What size (something) flannel would you use to clean the barrel?
45 by 45 millimetres
Okay, can you show me how you would examine the barrel cleanliness.
That's Great!
When would you strip a magazine
When it’s really needing a clean because of dirty conditions.
Yeah that’s fine.
Can you explain to me or demonstrate how you’d remove filing or debris from the chamber. Just talk me through it.
With the correct tool, I would … erm put a swab in there, or a brush
Yes, that’s fine, thank you.
2:15 Okay, what I want you to do is REASSEMBLE THE WEAPON and CARRY OUT THE WEAPONS FUNCTION TEST.
3.56 Okay, for the next test, whachawanya to do is remove the penny, depress it and fill the magazine with 10 new rounds.
Are you gonna say start or just, (youknow)…?
Okay, go!
4:29 Excellent, well done. And on the word of command, “go” I want you to remove the 10 rounds. “Go!”
Can you put the penny press back into the magazine, please?
Okay, can you put the magazine in your ammunition pouch.
Sling the weapon and stand up.
Okay, listen in: with the magazine with the penny depressor fitted, “Load!”
“Down!”
“Ready!”
5:39 “With the magazine with the penny depressor fitted, “Make set!” (?)
6:01 “Ready!”
6:07 “(Tightens to front). Go on.”
Rifle firing right.
Rifle firing right.
Rifle stops.
6:22 Upon looking at the cocking handle, the cocking handle is fully forwards.
Rifle fires right.
Rifle fires right.
6:32 Stop!
6:37 Go on!
Rifle fires right.
Rifle fires right.
Rifle fires right.
Rifle stops.
Upon looking at the cocking handle, the cocking handle is fully forwards.
Rifle still fails to fire.
7:00 Now, upon examination, the body of the chamber, your see rounds in the magazine and no rounds in the chamber.
Rifle fires right.
Rifle fires right.
Stop!
Go on!
Rifle fires right.
Rifle fires right.
Rifle stops.
7:30 Upon looking at the cocking handle, you see the cocking handle is neither fully forwards, nor fully rearwards. Obstruction.
Obstruction clear.
Rifle fires right.
Stop!
Go on!
Rifle fires right.
8:01 Rifle fires right
Rifle stops.
8:06 Upon looking at the cocking handle…So for this weapon, can you just hold the (?) to the rear
8:16 Upon looking at the cocking handle, you see is full rearwards.
Upon looking inside the rifle, you see that there are no rounds in the magazine and no rounds in the chamber. Go on.
Rifle fires right.
Rifle fires right.
Stop.
Unload!
8:53 Stand up!
End of session
What?
End of session.
I misspelled what and stumbled onto this- wh-?
Few things i noticed that wasnt done correctly when cocking the handle they didnt forward assist, they also didnt take apart fully the bolt assembly or test the automatic function during the functions test. just some small details I noticed not sure if its done differently in the army so please correct me if wrong :)
You’re not wrong at all
this is the L98A2. This varient designed only for cadets has the change lever removed. Therefore does not have an automatic fire function, nor to test.
forgetting the dust cover is blasphemy
on the word of command “Ready” aren’t you supposed to check sights aswell or have i been lied to
yes you are, for iron sights you must check you are using the day sight, on susat you check the distance on the range drum.
you can but tbh, the sights will stay in position anyways
@@spinny3939 he's not using a susat, you'd be able to tell if he was using a susat his gear would include a hazmat suit.
@@danny1ft1 i know he's not, read what i said again.
why would he have a hazmat suit? what are you talking about 😂
@@spinny3939 my partner used to be in marine cadets when younger and said they'd be real unwilling to let cadets use susats and if they had one on site they'd have a bucket of sand near by and you was instructed to stop make safe weapons and leave asap and the instructor would deal with the broken susat lol apparently they're quite radioactive or some shit, weather that's an instructor fucking with cadets I don't know lol.
Got to do this tomorrow 😂
Good luck I’m struggling to remember it😂
Impressive sideboards I would have got skinned alive by the RSM if I tried to get away with them when I was in
Adorable!
Missed out forward assist when taking control of rifle
If I was doing his WHT I would've failed him for digging the barrel into the ground when putting the rear TMH pin in the spring and the back
POV:
You're a cadet
I had to do this at ftx because i didnt do my SAA.
I have a test on this today just revising
0:15 already failed he didn’t do his forward assist before taking an aimed shot
Alan Gibson you can only fail on safety issues forward assist is definitely not a safety function
Forward assist isn't a requirement on the a2
Its not an instant fail
factssss
A R it is required however it’s a technical failure and you are allowed 3 in your WHT but only 1 safety fail e.g not checking safety
I am a cadet in County Down N.I I am doing my test next week is this all correct except that he forgot the forward assist a couple times
I failed my WHT yesterday!
A lot of comments on here about the drills, sequence of stripping etc. Some of the drills on the test were wrong, some of the comments also wrong. I did my Skill At Arms Instructor course at the School Of Infantry at Brecon. Where did all you experts do your course?
At 6:16 when the weapon fails to fire first time & the instructor/examiner says *"cocking handle appears fully forward."*
The soldier forward assists & then (apparently) continues to fire.
I've always found this to be a flawed practice, as when the weapon fails to fire you'd have fired off the action.
Which means the only action to take in the instance of such a stoppage would be to cock the rifle again.
By all means, correct me if I'm wrong, it's just a thought I'd had recently.
From my experiments with the weapon, if the bolt is not seated properly pulling the trigger does not fire off the action. Thus a forward assist would put the bolt in place allowing the action to be fired.
But then again, what I did do in basic training during pairs fire & maneuver, is get a stoppage & immediately try to re-cock the weapon, which because the bolt wasn't in contact with the round has caused the round not to be ejected & the next round has been pushed into the back of the round already in the chamber causing a mega stoppage & a great deal of shouting & flapping!
Due to the stoppage not being actually real, it's hard to explain, this stoppage is the bolt carrier not travelling far enough forward, meaning the hammer is not able to be realised due to it being cocked onto the safety sear, not the main sear (which the trigger can control), tapping forward assist would then allow the bolt carrier to move that little further forward, tripping the safety sear allowing the hammer to be cocked on the main sear, so when the trigger is pulled the hammer is realised and fires the round. In this test due to not being able to replicate the bolt assembly not moving forward enough when the trigger is pulled the hammer will come up, and the drill looks pointless, but for a live stoppage, this is absolutely what you should do.
Out of battery safety stops the sear dropping the hammer on a round unless the bolt is fully locked
It's only the last 1/8th (one eighth) of inch of forward movement by the bolt carrier assembly that the bolt rotates 22.5 degrees to the right. The hammer is prevented from being released until the BCA is fully forward. This is known as mechanical safety.
I know he's just dry firing but he isn't half snatching at that trigger
Is that function test ?😅😅 I would failed for that. He didn’t do full function test ?
sanjiv rai didn’t see him go for the change lever 😂🤦🏽♂️ quite a few mistakes and jumping the instructors ques. Fail lol
L98 A2 doesn't have a change lever as its semi automatic only.
@@GreysUniverse i believe it can fire auto, however they just take of the selector switch so its impossible to set it to auto! I remember being super happy when we were the first crow bags to play with this on the range to see how a competent cadet could get on with it! It was a breath of fresh air compared to the single shot per cock bullshit we had been used to! even more fun when they said we were allowed to finally stand up and fire too! Believe it or not there was a time as a cadet where you weren't allowed to fire anything unless you were in the prone position! -,-
@@JuliusSeizure1 i don’t think it can
@@JuliusSeizure1 The L98A2 has no fire select, and for the first couple CLFs you do, you stay in the prone position.
HELP I HAVE TO DO THIS TOMORROW AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM DOING ASHAGAKA
passed my weapon's handling test once and i'll have to do it again so i'm here just revising.
update: i did the test the second time, kinda made 2 mistakes. i don't know if thats a fail or not but um i passed in the end so its alright
Where are you doing it?
@@topcat01 what the test or the revising?
Been a long time but dont you check your on single shot as part of making ready? Safety catch, change lever check range on sights then cock the weapon?
The L98A2 does not have a change lever as it is a system designed for use in the cadet forces and is semi only (no automatic capability). You may be thinking of the L85A* SA80 and L86A* LSW systems that can fire semi and auto.
@@dataplate ah its a cadet weapon, I never noticed that, been a long time
This isn’t a scenario according to all possible FTC’s/stove-piping etc. It’s actually a demonstration of a fully operational BAE systems model of the SA-80 before H&K played with it. 🤓❤️👍
The H&K modified A2 *is* the BAE systems model. BAE owned H&K.
The foward assist is old doctrine, I don't know why it would still be being taught? If you have a failure to feed, or the bolt will not go into battery behind a chambered round, then the round should be discarded. Any round that does not want to go into the chamber on it's own, should not be forced in. The bullet could have been pushed back into the neck of the case slightly during the malfunction, or the brass could have been damaged causing headspace issues.
The forward assist/tap forward on the cocking handle is not 'old doctrine' as you put it. Read the pamphlet.
I have a WHT test tommorow wish me luck
I passed
Thx I'm a cadet and I went to todo my rifle training on the gp and I passed
Well done!
Congrats can't to wait to get to 2 start
I remember doing this as an Air Cadet at RAF leuchars 😂 got my cadet marksman badge there!
I'm thinking of joining air cadets, do you guys still do skill at arms? I left army cadets because it wasn't for me but i loved the skill at arms training. So if they do then that would be a bonus
@@LHoriginal I've been out now for about 15 years, I believe they still do. Glider and fixed wing training was brilliant!
@@steelernation1989 ok thank you :)
I might join after lockdown is over but im still not sure as its on Wednesday and Friday and im usually busy on Friday and i do stuff with my family on Wednesday and in army cadets was Tuesday and Thursday, but ill give it a try
I used to be there on a Thursday. All the best man! And hopefully happy flying!
@@steelernation1989 thank you :D
Passed today
live fier
no double BBC check at the end!
Guess he didn’t need to strip the breach block
Not required for "normal daily cleaning" drill
Didn't check sights at 5.32 when 'making ready'.
Wht
Why doesn’t he take apart the bolt assembly for the weapon strip? In the RAF we do that
In the cadet forces, the weapon is stripped only to a certain extent to prevent the risk of losing small components. Stripping the bolt carrier assembly is restricted to adult instructors to ensure proper handling. The same principle applies here as if you were to give a cadet two ball bearings in a sealed room - one would get lost, and the other will get broken.
Brings back memories was 58 pattern webbing then and was mars bars and Rio in our naaffi
Whats that DZ flash?
Do you have to apply the safety after “rifle fires alright, rifle stops” just before the IA drill ?
think so yeah
It's a cadet thing. Trained soldiers don't go near the safety in stoppage drills.
@@PaddyInf stoppage drills are thought in the British army, however very briefly mentioned
@@anglo6248 Stpoppage drills are a fundamental part of weapon training in the British Army and are part of the MATT 1 weapon handling test. They are some of the most basic drills and all trained soldiers have to demonstrate proficiency at them yearly at a minimum.
@@PaddyInf yea fair enough my bad lol
FORWARD ASSIST
Well spotted
What's all this forward assist nonsense, does this gun suck so bad that you have to use the forward assist every time before taking a shot, why would that even be a requirement to use the forward assist during this test. I don't know about this gun but the AR-15 didn't even have a forward assist to begin with and the inventor Eugene Stoner was against it because if a round doesn't just go into the chamber naturally there's probably something wrong with the the gun or cartridge but since the guns have to be used in combat and not just on the range they added it for situations where you didn't have time to diagnose the problem so you just jam the forward assist forward and hope it works, I guess it works most the time because they kept it.
The WHT is dead easy but I saw someone loose the bolt assembly
😊
I call it the civil servant you can not fire them
And they cost too much money