MARSHALL JCM800 2210 from 1986 | Is it a legit JCM800?
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- And how it compares to my JCM800 2203 from 1985 aka The Little Brother.
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Timecodes:
- Intro: 0:00
- The Song: 0:35
- Noodling: 3:46
- The gear, signal chain & general info: 6:00
- The amp: 9:00
- Compared to 2203: 24:00
- Conclusion: 28:48
#marshall #jcm800 #2210
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Excellent review. I own the 2210 and the 2205 (bought in the 80s) as well as (2) 5150s original block letter I ordered new. The 2205 (50W)and 2210 (100W) were top of the line Marshall amps in their day and had TWO firsts for Marshall: Effects Loop and spring Reverb (Accutronics). As you clearly demonstrated, these Marshall's aren't made for just 80's and 90's rock - these are extremely versatile amps.
I for one dig a little Marshall spring reverb with my Rockman stereo echo - the amp's reverb fills in that little space between the echo pongs. Diode overdrive - Tom Scholz was first to use diode overdrive and Marshall came out with it later - but to me, that diode helps drive the 12AX7 triode tubes to more distortion. Great job on the vid and best of luck on your album!
The best part of every video is when you introduce yourself at the start and make that "smile" 😀. I thoroughly enjoy your video content, despite having played the guitar for the past 28 years, as I continually learn a great deal from you regarding equipment, technique, production, and more. Thank you sincerely for creating these insightful videos.
Glad to hear man! Thanks!
Dude, my text message notification is now you saying "Hi, I'm Euge Valovirta" followed by a pinch harmonic. My wife is ready to kill me...totally worth it. Totally. 😂🤘🤘
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Sounds like ur in the closet buddy😂😂😂
More awesomeness from Euge! New tune sounds great!
Thanks! Really glad to hear!
It is not the "Clean" channel. It is called the "Normal" channel. It not supposed to be played clean. Dime it. It sounds great dimed.
The man!! Love this channel
very good assessment of the JCM 2210. Euge, I love your videos !!!
What I don't understand is why so many people on UA-cam compare the Marshall 2210 with the 2203 and use the Boost Channel??
Because the 2210 uses diodes in the boost channel for more gain, it is to be expected that the sound will be different than the 2203.
Why doesn't anyone watch the Normal Channel ? There are no diodes there. And that's not a clean channel as many people always say, but the normal channel of a JCM 800.
So set the volume in the normal channel to 8-10, be careful with the master volume, position 8:30 a.m. will be quite loud. The difference to the 2203 is no longer big. Try it out.
I own both amps, a 2203 from 1981 and a 2210 from 1987. The 2210 sounds more like the 2203 in the Normal Channel than many other amps that try to copy that sound. At least that's the case with my 2210 ;-)
Thanks!
Nice. More informative than 35 years of OMG DIODES forum posts.
Friends with a famous ish tech who used to run one as a grab & go in lieu of his rack rig.
"How'd you like it?"
"Loved it."
Even if I am not in the mood for gear stuff, I come here for the music and playing. Keep it up 🤘
I appreciate that!
That percussive verse riff in the first track is fucking sick big dog! Keep up the great work!
Thanks man!
The song sounds awesome, your a beast. Great tone as well
Thanks!
Love the TONE! Great song!!!
Thanks!
Awesome vid. For me, nothing beats a 68ish plexi with a flavored overdrive in front.
Wow! What an amazing demonstration of this amp! Spot on. This amp is not bad but it just doesn’t do it for me, I’m a 1987x guy. Just my opinion, this amp should have been modeled other than a JCM 800 flagship 03/04. Great video!
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
I am in love with the technique you use with the MXR Phase. That creates such a turning point in the arrangement 😮
I am not so much into Marshall to be honest, nevertheless again your video was really catchy and interesting.
Glad you like it! Thanks!
I still own mine.. Bought it in 1988 or so. A clean boost is definitely the way to go, IMO. Great amp!
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Awesome playing man! Sounds like the real deal when you’re playing through it :) Not in the same league as your Bad Boy but not bad either.
Thanks!
The 2204x and the bad boy is still has the best sound. And i also really like the sound from Friedman runt 50 head really nice sounding amp!
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Thank you for this. I had the combo version (4211) in the late 80’s … It really came alive with a BOSS PQ4 in the loop….
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I’ve been lucky enough to have owned a 2210 and 2205 JCM800 as well as a couple 2204s. I honestly thought the 2204 single channel design was superior.
Personal preferences 👌.
Great playing...as always! I must have missed this review somewhere a long the way. I have a 1989 2210 that I picked up a few years ago because the price was right. Since then I've had a love-hate relationship with it. As a reference, I'm comparing it to my 1972 Super Lead and 1984 4104 which are more similar to each other than to the 2210 which is totally different. To me the Super Lead rules the roost and the 4104 is really, really good too. The 2210 feels very different and sounds less organic with a different type of bass and midrange with less of the treble signature you think of when it comes to vintage Marshall amps. Although, it does sound a lot better when you turn it up, but then it's way too loud to be usable for my needs. Mine has no channel bleed what so ever which after watching your review, I wish it had. The 2210 has a heavier, more compressed sound which can sound pretty good with some serious tweaking. Since I use pretty low output pickups ('57 Classics and Custombuckers) adding a clean boost (Wampler dB+) helps a lot. Cheers!
Thanks! And thanks for sharing the info 👌🙏.
That 2203 of yours is insane.
All of them are pretty hard hitting mofos. Like 2203s in general 💪😎.
Righteous. I think you just made 2 gear traders happy.
New song is groovy! 😎
Back in `86, a lot of players were using a ProCo RAT in front of those JCM800's. I wonder if that "clipping diode" in there is the same one used in a RAT pedal? 🤔 I think I would look into modding the amp to bypass that clipping diode, and then just use an SD-1 in front of it.
Thanks! No idea 😎.
Marshall changed the preamps sometime in 1986 due to channel bleed. 2210s from before this change also sound slightly different.
I don't really understand the bad name of 2210s. If I may believe the "connoisseurs" they are only mediocre amplifiers because they have diodes in the preamplifier. But from a Jose mod, the same connoisseurs pretty much cum on the spot. Not to mention putting a drive pedal in front of the amp... I understand that some prefer a 2203/2204 circuit and others prefer a 2205/2210, but the negative stories about 2205s/2210s is mainly copied from the internet.
Many Marshall "connoisseurs" also give off on the "clean" channel. But it is not a clean channel at all. It is a gain channel that you can get fairly clean by turning the volume of the channel back a bit. That's why it's called "normal channel" and not "clean channel". If you turn up the channel volume, it is even a bit of a plexi-like channel.
If you put a little time into a 2210 they are very good amplifiers. But many of the connoisseurs do not know how to set up a 2210 properly because they expect it to work the same as a 2203.
As far as I'm concerned the connoisseurs can stay out of the know on these amps. Having used them extensively over the years, they are my first pick for great sound and feel.
It was very helpful. After all, I love 2203 or 2204!
I had a 2210 about 20 years ago. It was mediocre sounding in most settings but when pushed super hard it sounded amazing. I regret selling it.
Like pretty much any tube amp. Especially Marshalls 😎.
Thumbs up at 2 seconds in after the “Hi!” Because it is a Marshall in connected to the guitar in Euge’s hands. I thought it sounded really good until he woke up the “Little Brother” that ate the 2210s lunch.
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No kidding the first thing I thought of when you played it was "Soldano like". Thats coming from a SLO owner (and knowing you have indeed played on them plenty). Cool amp though! I've been tempted to check one of these out and I might someday.
Rock on! 😎👌🤟
SOUND KILLER,YOU'RE GREAT
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Nice , been wondering about these
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Well Michael Schenker is a complete devotee of the 2205. No slouch in the tone department there :)
If it sounds good and works for him it’s good.
@@EugeValovirta230Vthis is really the Golden Gear Rule.
If X piece of gear sold a bajillion units, there's no guarantee you'll like it.
Sounds Good = Is Good
Thanks!
Thanks! Much appreciated 🙏.
Always come here to watch and hear amps I’ll never be able to buy 😂😂😂
Glad you still came! 🙏👌😎
I've built a couple of amps. I built a Ceriatone 2204 clone and a Ceriatone BE-100 Deluxe clone. All of these amps are basically the same. Super simple circuit with maybe 40 components. The BE is a bit more complex but only has duplicate signal paths to choose so it's just more not more complicated. I encourage anyone with a little sense and ability to get into amp modding and learning to understand what makes a good amp sound good. To me it's mostly about the pickups, tubes and the caps and the speakers. As you see with Euge here he gets basically the same sound no matter what he plays through. Any good amp should get you there with the correct pickups, overdrive and technique.
👌. The sound comes from the player (hands), amplifiers amplify that etc. 🕺😎. Well said man.
I have one of these from 1987. The clipping diodes only engage at about 8 or 9 on the Gain knob, you can hear the hiss as they come in. I use mine with an OD and the Gain on 9 for Death/Thrash metal style stuff. I got the Hot Mod also but it does not work with mine either.
It sounded way too dark & muddy to me without having it cranked. Well these are were never my favourites 😎.
Honestly, running a 2110 at 50 watts (Pull 2 EL34s out) and using the clean channel driven hard with a great OD is the best trick - sounds like a sparkling 2204 with a little more low end. It's a Marshall sound to die for
Man...THE TONE!
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I sold a 1989 2210. Sounded muddy on the low end with greenbacks but with heritage 30s or vintage 30s it was good. Sold it for a 2204
Good choise. IMO 😎.
I have the 50W version of an earlier production year but was surprised how different that one sounded. Have you tried pushing the "clean" channel cranked with an overdrive? I believe the amp was built in that way because during that time the "jose mod" became quite popular which involved adding a clipping diode to the classical jcm 800 version. On my amp I get closer to the classic jcm800 sound when using a SD-1 and cranked clean channel. I only engage the "boost" channel on solos. Great video!
Yeah and it wasn’t for me. Treble cranked and still way too muddy 👌.
I owned a 2205 and it was AMAZING. I regret selling it.
Kiitos 🤘
I get ya. It's like the 2210 has a narrower bandwidth. Hi gain amps were still in their relative infancy in the early-mid 80's.
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At 25:00 is a great comparison between a JCM800 W/internal clipping diodes and a jcm800 without internal clipping diodes with a SD-1 drive in front. Magic happens.
The 2205 and 2210 really open up and sound like a 2203 when you put an EQ in the effects loop and cut some mids and boost a little top end similar to a Mesa V EQ. Try that. I have the 2205 and the Boss GE7 lives in my effects loop.
The Marshall JCM800 2205 / 2210 LEAD channel switch reverb amplifiers were the flagship model of the range, and the most common and wanted JCM800, at least here in Europe, as it may sounded miles better with real Mullard EL34 tubes and 220 volts, as these amps were built for, as well as the Drake transformers.
In Finland they were considered as ”lame 800s” that nobody cared much (at least back in the day) whereas 2203 was, and still is THE 800 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V In Norway, quite the opposite, as the 2203/04 were just like the JMP amps in my band around 1988, I used a KORG OVD1 in front of my 100w while Yngve(!) used an HM2 in front of his 50w run clean, and we played LOUD! Most either had 2210/05...I even had one 50w myself with the 1936 2x12" cab, and with the ultra hot ESP rail pickups it sounded sick!
I have a 1990 2210 that originally came from Germany and has spent most of its life in storage. I just had to clean the pots and change the fuse for 120V here in Texas but the amp is mint and is my favorite Marshall of all. It also has dagnall transformers, not drake. I remember these amps well from the 80s, and they were the top selling amps from Marshall at the time. I love them. I prefer it to my 1959 and 2203x.
Isn't this the amp of choice for Schenker? You can certainly hear the same sort of tone in his later albums.
Could be 🤷.
Yes, he is using this 800 :)
i hVE A PROBLEM I HAVE exactly the same amp....my reverb tank is screwed down only with 3 screws.....i took off reverb and there are only 3 holes in the wood, not 4...the 4th screw should be in the front right position but the wood is cut off before....is it possible to take a pic of the reverb box please?
I’ve already returned the amp to the owner so no 😎.
Hey Euge. Can you do the Marshall Vintage Modern test? 😊🤘😎
If somebody sents me one 😎.
Hi Euge 💪💪 let's compare this to the bad boy !!!!!!!!!!! 🤟🤟✝️✝️🤟🤟
Very cool breakdown set up vid sir !!!
Euge sd-1 and ds-1 weren't made with high output pups in mind I rarely have the drive on those past 9 o clock !
Thanks! I didn’t play a single note with The Bad Boy in this video but my other 2203s are awesome too 💪😎.
Don’t care about that ’cos if it sounds good it’s good 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V euge I know you know tone but newbies and cocky intermediates don't know squat 😂
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I prefer the models made in ‘87 and after (circuit change n 87). I had an ‘89 2210 & I didn’t even need a drive pedal with it. It had some killer mids.
FYI the 2205/2210 were revised in 1987 and a lot of the issues were resolved.
If you can try to find one that's after 87 and try it out, it's a much better sounding amp with more bite and no channel bleed. That's the version guys like John Norum, Michael Schenker etc use.
The earlier version ('83-'86) is problematic.
Peavy 5150, classic for Swedish Melodic death metal =) I am thinking of buying the Marshall DSL100HR next, it seems to be a very good top for the money.
Yeah they’re pretty good but if you have a change to get the original UK made JCM2000 DSL or TSL I’d go for those. Better IMO. I have a TSL100 and it’s great 💪🤟.
@@EugeValovirta230V Ah DSL series are imported just like they do on guitars huh ? Maybe I just go for a pedal amp like Blackstar Amped 3 and go full on metal :D
@@EugeValovirta230V Have you tried a pedal amplifier like the Blackstar Amped ? They seem f*ckn awesome for their size. Also on your "how to sound like Somewhere in time" album with maiden, what was the most important effects? I got that you used chorus, overdrive, reverb and then you wrote pitch phaser or something, is that a normal phaser pedal?
I kind of wished that I had mine from 1987.
Then I could have it modded at Tommy Folkesson for an overall better sound and get rid of the diod clipping so the tubes do the real work.
Very good sound. what gauge strings for your Les Paul, Euge ? Thanks 🤘
Thanks! 10-52 atm: www.eugevalovirta.com/gear/guitars-pickups-strings
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Do you consider to release two version of the album? With and without a vocals
Agreed! These songs need to be released!!
Just with vocals since the songs were written with vocals in mind, and with vocalists. To me they’re just a bunch of riffs tied together without vocals. Pretty good bunch of riffs but they’re not complete songs without vocal melodies and lyrics.
Yes this one, like many others, will be on my next album. I’m pretty sure I mentioned that in the video 😎.
What type of les Paul is that? Killer tone
Tokai Les Paul. It’s this one: reverb.com/item/73115338-tokai-les-paul-custom-mij-2008-black?
I own the 2205 and am not the biggest fan, I found my TSL and 6100LM to sound closer to an 800 than the actual 2205. If you ever can get your hands on a 6100 Anniversary series, please do a comparison to the bad boy. Cheers.
I have TSL100 and used to have 6100 back in the day. Great amps and I like them more than 2210/2205. I will!
It's been good enough for Michael Schenker all these years.
Personal preferences 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V thank you for all your videos. I've watched so many. Your a great player and an asset to the global community! Cheers
Glad to hear! Thanks!
If the DI output is bypassed these amps are less compressed and have more of a 2203 top end. If you remove the clipping diodes and don't use the reverb, which is an average reverb that preamp tube can easily be wired in for more gain. The one your demoing is a darker sounding one, if the presence and treble on mine are too high it becomes wat too bright.
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Maybe this amp would sound closer to the 2203 with a change of the presence circuit to get more sizzle.
Could be since the Presence didn’t do much.
The one problem with this video is that the versions of this amp, starting with '87 and after fixed the channel bleed issues and improved the circuitry in ways I'm not qualified to explain. A quick google search will show that the '87 to end of production versions of this amp are more sought after because they sound better as a result. I wouldn't buy a pre '87 version of this amp. I have an '88 and it sounds amazing.
I have an '89 and it sounds pretty much the same as the one Euge plays in this video above.
My guitar teacher had the combo version. He sold it to buy a Mark V 😡.
To be completely honest, I don't like how it sounds for rhythm, too thick and smooth, not enough top end cut, but I do play thrash & death metal. I would absolutely use it for leads though - the same characteristics that make it less than adequate for chugging are what make it perfect for single note playing, so I'd have it alongside a JCM2000DSL for rhythm. And a Fender Twin for cleans 😂 cuz Marshall always sucked at clean tones.
Let’s do a collab dude! Play some pop punk w me !
I've been unlucky to have owned 2 of those. Thin, buzzy, solid state type gain. No balls, 100 watts with balls of 20 watts. Yes, changed all tubes, biased, tried different yltubes, speakers. It was only Marshall that sounded even worse the higher you turned it up.
I had this exact amp in 1995 and stupidly threw it in the landfill. had blown power supply or output transformer. what a fool I was. I forever regret that dump.
Damn 😎.
My 87 2210 was awesome. Kinda disappointed in the 2203x i have now
Like I said in the video; personal preferences. I was never a big fan of 2205/2210 but 2203s: oh boy 💪😎.
I had a 1983 2203 but it had no JCM800 logo. The logo was JMP.
It maybe not an identical circuit, but I believe it probably is, the 2203 JCM 800s is really just a rebranded 2203 JMP.
They just rebranded the amps later to JCM 800.
And that to me means The Real JCM800s are the 2205 and 2010.
The 2203 and 2204 JCM800s are JMPs.
I had a friend who bought a used 2210 and 4x12 (not sure of speakers) $1000 Canadian in 1998.
I still have the receipt for my 2203 JMP. I bought it used in 1992 for $395 Canadian. So cheap because everyone was playing wierd Fender guitars and shittty amps for Grunge 🤣
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It’s the same and like you wrote 😎👌.
1st?
Yes.
Dang, that JCM 800 2210 almost sounds like a JCM 900 but just not as open. Just to me anyways.
And thought the 2210 from my friend was fkd when you turned the cln volume and the dirty channel changed...
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Rocker switched, master volume, single input… nope. That abomination probably has a machine wound transformer.