When you suddenly realise that Jack could've called Sarah Jane during Children of Earth and Mr Smith alone could've found out just about everything. Hell, K9 might've been able to fly up and find the 456's ship... Though the SJA crew against the government is... Actually not too different to their own season 3 finale. Just scaled down a hell of a lot.
Was Me/Ashildr on Earth during the Blessing? She could have ended her miserable existence if she was. The Families could have used her blood. But keeping a low profile would have been a skill she picked up over the centuries. She must have been hiding in the trap street at that time.
Also, the Davros part reminded me how basically every story to reference the events of _Genesis of the Daleks_ acts as if the Doctor didn’t cross the wires and forgets the Dalek ran them over anyway.
With how Miracle Day doesn't seem to affect other events or be referenced, I just think of that scene in Pyramids of Mars where they decide to leave Sutekh and travel to 1980 only to find the Earth a thundering wasteland. As time is always in flux where due to a specific action or having yet performed that intended action, certain events may or may not occur yet or change completely.
Maybe Gwen's connection to the Fendahl protected her in Chernobyl?? Also I've been reading the Faction Paradox novel The Book of the War and have found some pretty wild things in it: According to it, the English poet Percy Shelley wrote a poem that included a mention of the Gallifreyan House Dvora, Lord Byron and Ada Lovelace were Faction Paradox members, and John Polidori was inspired by the Great Vampire War of ancient Gallifrey to write The Vampyre, prior to his being murdered by a creature as part of the War in Heaven. Which, given Mary Shelley was already obviously an Eighth Doctor companion, just makes The Haunting of Villa Diodati even weirder. Anastasia Romanov was also a member of Faction Paradox, and was apparently pretty ruthless. She rose in rank until she eventually led a revolt (after possibly killing an Eldritch entity with her bare hands and a club) and established the Thirteen Day Republic in a ghost version of the Winter Palace where she slowly went insane before eventually being defeated by the Faction not long after Rasputin's death (he was also a Faction Paradox member); after which she was placed back into linear time in a three-fold manner, living out three seperate lives during which she was always seen as an impostor and not the real Anastasia. Faction Hollywood (a spinoff branch of Faction Paradox) did rituals involving snorting cocaine circles, made p*rn films to fight the War in Heaven, and would do deals with famous actors to increase the size of their schlongs. They're also responsible for Orson Welles, Marlon Brando, and several other people's careers going the route they did. They also had the ability to create these things called Hollow Spectaculars where they'd basically override a viewer's perception of a movie, causing them to watch an altered version of that movie that was far worse than the actual version. But then they were pretty much defeated by Seventh Doctor companion Cwej in his second body. Also there's a shop that sells Faction Paradox style clothes in the Whoniverse, and it's called Fashion Paradox. Not particularly crazy, but sort of ridiculous. Additionally Romana is related to Morbius, as they're both from House Dvora; and the founder of Faction Paradox might have been reincarnated as a cat and fought a cat version of the War in Heaven in Florida. Apparently there's a group called the Collective of the Retconning Crocodiles that has interacted with Faction Paradox on occasion, but is actually originally the Faction Paradox of the Disney Duckverse, meaning that Scrooge McDuck is weirdly canonical. Finally, the Enemy in the War of Heaven might actually be the Voord, Spiders from Metabelis 3, the Doctor, Mammoths, the writers of Faction Paradox themselves, or a whale king. (On a completely seperate note, there's also an album called The Ballads of Sergeant Benton wherein the original actor for this Third Doctor companion sings cover songs as Benton.)
At this point, everything has Faction Paradox behind it. I’m not too familiar with it but I find it a little amusing that two members of the Faction are Kelsey Hooper, the little girl from the first episode of SJA, and the parallel timeline Amy Pond from The Girl Who Waited.
@@Chubby_BubIt's got to be awkward having all these people who Probably have a strong dislike of each other under the same banner Like the alternate, amy would probably pick fights with all the split off doctors they have
@@SamyulDavis Not just that, not predicting they will turn on him...twice. XD Since Unbound Master did show him they will turn on him once, before he tried again XD Side note: You should listen to Killing Time box set. There is...something...very evil Master does to all the women on the cover.
@@SamyulDavis I have this theory. You see, after we found out about the drumbeat, it explained everything about the Master. The sound is soooo loud that he can't hear the betrayals happening around him. "We will exterminate you!" "What? You're going to germinate poo?"
@@rayvenkman2087 or part of it was a fixed point in time at some point midway through the events with immortality being a key part of it and thus the Doctor couldn't go back a few months and stop it before it began or else the Web of Time would start f***ing itself.
Miracle Day could theoretically take place in 2012, due to the whole Aliens Of London dating controversy, the same with series 5 of SJA. All of Russell's Who, including his spin-offs are effected by that 12 months not 12 hours thing.
@@SamyulDavis I know series 5's timeline is more specific, with The Eleventh Hour mostly happening in 2008 (so prior to the finale of series 4) and Amy leaving in 2010, but Miracle Day is meant to still follow the timeline of Russell's era due to the amount of time passing between each series of Torchwood. However, I am aware the comics and novels also don't seem to be aware that Torchwood is set 1 year ahead of the present day, leading to things with Gwen and Ianto happening prior to Torchwood One's fall (mostly important because Ianto is part of Torchwood Three when Gwen first encounters them, but Ianto didn't join Torchwood Three until after Torchwood One fell). It's like Russell's UNIT dating controversy. Moffat also had his own too, with The Power Of Three being set in 2013 and also 2020. There must have been some kind of Matrix glitch screwing with the years 2005-2020ish, or the Accord have been dealing with other problems like in the 60s-90s.
@@nightowl8477 The Waters Of Mars was set quite further in the future, but it does confirm Journey's End takes place no earlier than May 2009, and after that The End Of Time doesn't specifically state the year, from what I can remember, but I could be wrong. If The End Of Time is 2009, Donna got engaged again pretty quickly (not that it's the first or even second time that's happened with her though). Also, The Doctor, The Widow And The Wardrobe adds another dating issue, with it being set in at least 2014, which is what leads to The Power Of Three kinda being 2019/20, as well as containing Amy and Rory's covid restriction breaking trip to Wales in The Hungry Earth.
Wasn't Calcula mutated because she caught a spy in Davros' laboratory, sealed the room and then activated one of his latest experiments; thus causing the mutative effects? Although she was quite crazy in terms of going to extreme lengths like murdering Yarvel and setting off a bomb to kill her husband, she never really went 'insane' and did everything with cold, ruthless calculation.
Sam hired Colin to shoot me so he didn't have to give me my prize! He didn't want to part with his Pertwee VHS! Well you haven't heard the last of me! I'm gonna pull an Ainley and hound you all across Children's television!
The Sixth Doctor holds a gun so causally like early Golden Age Batman. Davros unleashing the Daleks again? Bang! The Master causing havoc on Earth? Boom headshot! Rasslion trying to ascend to godhood? He won’t be one anymore after Sixie puts a cap in him.
Can you find some way of talking about the War Master’s activities on the planet Callous cause honestly the Master has never been more despicable and it is up there as one of the darkest stories in the whoniverse
12:40 the dalek queen was davros mom really and was the first ever dalek,then his brothers and became daleks and the sisters where mad that there mom becomes a dalek and decided to destroy her in genesis of the daleks.
@@SamyulDavis I’m sorry I was ‘that person’ who felt compelled to be pedantic about a 35 year old puppet series….that was broadcast on BBC1, they only said BBC Three as a joke as it hadn’t been invented. Oh no I did it again! Please forgive me, it’s all I have.
Brilliant - again - but I'm not sure what I liked best about this one: your voice (as usual), or the shot of Arthur Darville in shorts. Maybe a combination job.
Pretty sure what you described about Davro's mum wasn't accurate, cos I listened to I Davros recently. She did kill her hubby and his sister, and she killed Yarvel cos Yarvel essentially sold Davros out to the Thals in a mission he had. But she didn't deliberately become a Dalek. She was confronted by a Thal sympathiser who was going to kill her in Davro's office, and she exposed a radiation leak from one of his experiments which killed them both, and Davros being Davros decided to experiment on his mothers dying body. Bit of a nit pick I know.
The first episode has a nice potential ending for the show (even though it's not the last episode) and Curse of Clyde Langer is every bit as good as everybody says, but that third one with Dreyfus and the hologram man? Nah.
If all of the Galifreyan legends are true and the "authoritative record" of the matrix can be altered, how much of secret knowledge revealed to be contained in the matrix should be trusted?
I haven’t seen much of Torchwood. Can someone enlighten me on what Miracle Day was and how it has to do with these things? All I know is it has something to do with immortality.
Oh apologies! Nobody on earth can die during those months. Society ate itself alive and it had a number of horrifying implications. The government built camps to incinerate the injured and ill for overpopulation's sake.
@@SamyulDavis Thanks for explaining, and no need to apologize. It’s my own fault I didn’t watch more of Torchwood, I kinda got turned away by the pedophile-killing fairy goblins. But I might give it another try once I finish Classic Who.
@@william...1 If it helps, the joke was all my idea. I like the episode well enough (tho not rewatched it since it aired) I just thought that speech was a bit clunky.
6 matter of factly just going "you can't, you're dead" is beautiful.
When you suddenly realise that Jack could've called Sarah Jane during Children of Earth and Mr Smith alone could've found out just about everything. Hell, K9 might've been able to fly up and find the 456's ship... Though the SJA crew against the government is... Actually not too different to their own season 3 finale. Just scaled down a hell of a lot.
I'm guessing you mean the 456's ship, not 459's
@@MalcolmPrice82 yes.
The gun that 6 holds when attempting to assassinate Roland Rat looks like the gun he has in Terror Of The Vervoids.
It is
@@LukSter18998 I only recognised it due to having recently rewatch Terror Of The Vervoids.
Was Me/Ashildr on Earth during the Blessing? She could have ended her miserable existence if she was. The Families could have used her blood. But keeping a low profile would have been a skill she picked up over the centuries. She must have been hiding in the trap street at that time.
She was. She said she'd been there since Waterloo Station so 20 century? I'm not sure.
Also, the Davros part reminded me how basically every story to reference the events of _Genesis of the Daleks_ acts as if the Doctor didn’t cross the wires and forgets the Dalek ran them over anyway.
What I've learned from Broke Canon is don't give the master an audio device
I burst out laughing at the master phone call 😂😂😂
With how Miracle Day doesn't seem to affect other events or be referenced, I just think of that scene in Pyramids of Mars where they decide to leave Sutekh and travel to 1980 only to find the Earth a thundering wasteland. As time is always in flux where due to a specific action or having yet performed that intended action, certain events may or may not occur yet or change completely.
This is basically the answer to all DW discontinuity problems and plot holes. It can all be handwaved by "wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey."
Maybe Gwen's connection to the Fendahl protected her in Chernobyl??
Also I've been reading the Faction Paradox novel The Book of the War and have found some pretty wild things in it:
According to it, the English poet Percy Shelley wrote a poem that included a mention of the Gallifreyan House Dvora, Lord Byron and Ada Lovelace were Faction Paradox members, and John Polidori was inspired by the Great Vampire War of ancient Gallifrey to write The Vampyre, prior to his being murdered by a creature as part of the War in Heaven. Which, given Mary Shelley was already obviously an Eighth Doctor companion, just makes The Haunting of Villa Diodati even weirder.
Anastasia Romanov was also a member of Faction Paradox, and was apparently pretty ruthless. She rose in rank until she eventually led a revolt (after possibly killing an Eldritch entity with her bare hands and a club) and established the Thirteen Day Republic in a ghost version of the Winter Palace where she slowly went insane before eventually being defeated by the Faction not long after Rasputin's death (he was also a Faction Paradox member); after which she was placed back into linear time in a three-fold manner, living out three seperate lives during which she was always seen as an impostor and not the real Anastasia.
Faction Hollywood (a spinoff branch of Faction Paradox) did rituals involving snorting cocaine circles, made p*rn films to fight the War in Heaven, and would do deals with famous actors to increase the size of their schlongs. They're also responsible for Orson Welles, Marlon Brando, and several other people's careers going the route they did. They also had the ability to create these things called Hollow Spectaculars where they'd basically override a viewer's perception of a movie, causing them to watch an altered version of that movie that was far worse than the actual version. But then they were pretty much defeated by Seventh Doctor companion Cwej in his second body.
Also there's a shop that sells Faction Paradox style clothes in the Whoniverse, and it's called Fashion Paradox. Not particularly crazy, but sort of ridiculous.
Additionally Romana is related to Morbius, as they're both from House Dvora; and the founder of Faction Paradox might have been reincarnated as a cat and fought a cat version of the War in Heaven in Florida.
Apparently there's a group called the Collective of the Retconning Crocodiles that has interacted with Faction Paradox on occasion, but is actually originally the Faction Paradox of the Disney Duckverse, meaning that Scrooge McDuck is weirdly canonical.
Finally, the Enemy in the War of Heaven might actually be the Voord, Spiders from Metabelis 3, the Doctor, Mammoths, the writers of Faction Paradox themselves, or a whale king.
(On a completely seperate note, there's also an album called The Ballads of Sergeant Benton wherein the original actor for this Third Doctor companion sings cover songs as Benton.)
At this point, everything has Faction Paradox behind it. I’m not too familiar with it but I find it a little amusing that two members of the Faction are Kelsey Hooper, the little girl from the first episode of SJA, and the parallel timeline Amy Pond from The Girl Who Waited.
@@Chubby_BubIt's got to be awkward having all these people who Probably have a strong dislike of each other under the same banner Like the alternate, amy would probably pick fights with all the split off doctors they have
I’m amazed you haven’t spoke out the war master anti genesis from big finish. Absolute wild stuff!
I listened to it lately! Just couldn't make it funny. The Master not predicting the daleks would turn on him again is ridiculousssss
@@SamyulDavis one would think every other encounter he had with the Daleks, he would know better.
@@SamyulDavis Not just that, not predicting they will turn on him...twice. XD
Since Unbound Master did show him they will turn on him once, before he tried again XD
Side note: You should listen to Killing Time box set. There is...something...very evil Master does to all the women on the cover.
What’s hilarious about that story is the Master renames himself Sorvad and claims he’s Davros’ uncle
@@SamyulDavis I have this theory. You see, after we found out about the drumbeat, it explained everything about the Master. The sound is soooo loud that he can't hear the betrayals happening around him. "We will exterminate you!" "What? You're going to germinate poo?"
How did I only now learn that Wayne Knight played a character in Torchwood?!
Roland Rat was the bug tester for The Pandorica
8:40 Good to know I'm not going crazy by being the only one noticing that and trying to work out why the Doctor did nothing about Miracle Day.
I guess Miracle Day had some kind of anti-Time Lord interference field going on.
@@rayvenkman2087 or part of it was a fixed point in time at some point midway through the events with immortality being a key part of it and thus the Doctor couldn't go back a few months and stop it before it began or else the Web of Time would start f***ing itself.
I remember watching the web of lies a year ago. I was very confused
Thank you for making this.
Wayyyy. Thanks for the name check my man!
Well, this is one way to find out about James Dreyfus. That is a big ol’ disappointment.
9:10 Either that or it was a crash similar devastating enough to result in him being labelled to Category 1 and burned.
2:45 the Hitchhikers Guide reference!
Miracle Day could theoretically take place in 2012, due to the whole Aliens Of London dating controversy, the same with series 5 of SJA. All of Russell's Who, including his spin-offs are effected by that 12 months not 12 hours thing.
That gets reset around the S5 cracks in time / big bang reboot I believe
@@SamyulDavis I know series 5's timeline is more specific, with The Eleventh Hour mostly happening in 2008 (so prior to the finale of series 4) and Amy leaving in 2010, but Miracle Day is meant to still follow the timeline of Russell's era due to the amount of time passing between each series of Torchwood. However, I am aware the comics and novels also don't seem to be aware that Torchwood is set 1 year ahead of the present day, leading to things with Gwen and Ianto happening prior to Torchwood One's fall (mostly important because Ianto is part of Torchwood Three when Gwen first encounters them, but Ianto didn't join Torchwood Three until after Torchwood One fell). It's like Russell's UNIT dating controversy. Moffat also had his own too, with The Power Of Three being set in 2013 and also 2020. There must have been some kind of Matrix glitch screwing with the years 2005-2020ish, or the Accord have been dealing with other problems like in the 60s-90s.
The show catches up with itself in The Waters of Mars, it's all present day from then on :)
@@nightowl8477 The Waters Of Mars was set quite further in the future, but it does confirm Journey's End takes place no earlier than May 2009, and after that The End Of Time doesn't specifically state the year, from what I can remember, but I could be wrong. If The End Of Time is 2009, Donna got engaged again pretty quickly (not that it's the first or even second time that's happened with her though).
Also, The Doctor, The Widow And The Wardrobe adds another dating issue, with it being set in at least 2014, which is what leads to The Power Of Three kinda being 2019/20, as well as containing Amy and Rory's covid restriction breaking trip to Wales in The Hungry Earth.
That gunshot sound effect scared the everliving shit out of me, thanks for that.
you gotta keep on your toes
attack could come any minute
It's always a good day when broke cannon comes out
More prize canon, pure class, love to know where the images of Lady Calcula come from.
Just stock images with a davros chair :')
Wasn't Calcula mutated because she caught a spy in Davros' laboratory, sealed the room and then activated one of his latest experiments; thus causing the mutative effects? Although she was quite crazy in terms of going to extreme lengths like murdering Yarvel and setting off a bomb to kill her husband, she never really went 'insane' and did everything with cold, ruthless calculation.
Sam hired Colin to shoot me so he didn't have to give me my prize! He didn't want to part with his Pertwee VHS!
Well you haven't heard the last of me! I'm gonna pull an Ainley and hound you all across Children's television!
oh it's a whole conspiracy huh
@@SamyulDavis Just follow the Kofi money! It can't ALL be going towards novels and alcoholic drinks
From disembodied voice, to fella with a gun, to disembodied voice. Such is life.
@@nightowl8477 You wait till I start a youtube channel! I will gain physical form once again!
@@Ben-vf5gk - HE'S TOBIASING US HE'S TOBIASING US. WHERE'S ROSE AND HER BOLT GUN WHEN YOU NEED HER.
RIP beginning of the episode.
Here's a quick fun fact - Jack and Ianto have a dog named "untitled" who it's implied may be a spy for the committee
The Sixth Doctor holds a gun so causally like early Golden Age Batman. Davros unleashing the Daleks again? Bang! The Master causing havoc on Earth? Boom headshot! Rasslion trying to ascend to godhood? He won’t be one anymore after Sixie puts a cap in him.
I put caps in EVERYONE.
I’ve listened to I, Davros multiple times. It is so fucked up to me that he would use his own kin as experiments.
Makes sense with his twisted nature.
@@rayvenkman2087 the pursuit of knowledge and the advancement of science, at any cost, even if it is personal.
Can you find some way of talking about the War Master’s activities on the planet Callous cause honestly the Master has never been more despicable and it is up there as one of the darkest stories in the whoniverse
My favourite episode of that box set is when a character gets high af and sees visions of Oods and Derek Jacobi as a psychotic food machine.
12:06 That is one of the most in character things for the FBI to do.
Was the story first she appeared in called Genesis of the Davros or The Davros’ Mum
Wow, this was a dark episode 😐
Jesus in retrospect yeah
It starts with Savile and ends with body horror
It was an honour to have been part of it
13:25 davros turned one of the officers useing his brain in the mark 1 dalek prototype
12:40 the dalek queen was davros mom really and was the first ever dalek,then his brothers and became daleks and the sisters where mad that there mom becomes a dalek and decided to destroy her in genesis of the daleks.
And the fact that the 7th Doctor regenerated because he was shot.
*The Revenge of the 6th Doctor.*
Baker sensed the evil within Saville
Big Finish needs to put out a 6 vs Roland the Rat boxset. ;)
But the Doctor shot at Reggie Rat not Roland. So he was shooting at a child humanoid rat.
I realised this halfway through but was too far in to go back xD
@@SamyulDavis I’m sorry I was ‘that person’ who felt compelled to be pedantic about a 35 year old puppet series….that was broadcast on BBC1, they only said BBC Three as a joke as it hadn’t been invented. Oh no I did it again! Please forgive me, it’s all I have.
@@KingofPotatoPeople okay that ones pretty funny
I can’t believe the Doctor almost killed a child rat
What about the canon fact that the Eleventh Doctor and Sister Evangelina from Call the Midwife hooked up at one point
2:50 is that Jimmy Savile
10:30 did Torchwood predict Wordle?😂
Brilliant - again - but I'm not sure what I liked best about this one: your voice (as usual), or the shot of Arthur Darville in shorts. Maybe a combination job.
I really want to see the day the doctor fights the clangers the evil rat creatures who live on a moon .The master is all ready a big fan.
Where can I watch untitled tv story
I DID play Web of Lies as it came out 😄
couldn't watch this when it was uploaded i was too busy drinking hand soap
Relatable.
Pretty sure what you described about Davro's mum wasn't accurate, cos I listened to I Davros recently. She did kill her hubby and his sister, and she killed Yarvel cos Yarvel essentially sold Davros out to the Thals in a mission he had.
But she didn't deliberately become a Dalek. She was confronted by a Thal sympathiser who was going to kill her in Davro's office, and she exposed a radiation leak from one of his experiments which killed them both, and Davros being Davros decided to experiment on his mothers dying body.
Bit of a nit pick I know.
Did you ever cover the origin of the faulty chameleon circuit, as shown in that Tribe of Gum comic?
Coming up!
@@SamyulDavis I had to check. You understand. 🪐🕰️
Fucking Dreyfus!
Holy shit he actually had a line about mumsnet?!?!?
I almost spat out my drink when I heard it
took me until part 2 to clock who he was of course, it IS james dreyfus
@@SamyulDavis Genuinely insane. Is it still worth watching the last series though? I've never finished it.
The first episode has a nice potential ending for the show (even though it's not the last episode) and Curse of Clyde Langer is every bit as good as everybody says, but that third one with Dreyfus and the hologram man? Nah.
@@SamyulDavis Alright! Thanks I'll give those ones a watch for sure!
As someone who hasn’t watched Torchwood, was that John de Lancie as one of the FBI people?
Yep, head of the FBI, is in most episodes :)
Must be Q dicking around again when he’s not bothering Picard or Superman.
That isn't Roland Rat he tries to shoot...
If all of the Galifreyan legends are true and the "authoritative record" of the matrix can be altered, how much of secret knowledge revealed to be contained in the matrix should be trusted?
None of it?
Not to be that guy, but Calcula was in Part 1 of I, Davros too
3 facts in total.
I haven’t seen much of Torchwood. Can someone enlighten me on what Miracle Day was and how it has to do with these things? All I know is it has something to do with immortality.
Oh apologies! Nobody on earth can die during those months. Society ate itself alive and it had a number of horrifying implications. The government built camps to incinerate the injured and ill for overpopulation's sake.
@@SamyulDavis Thanks for explaining, and no need to apologize. It’s my own fault I didn’t watch more of Torchwood, I kinda got turned away by the pedophile-killing fairy goblins. But I might give it another try once I finish Classic Who.
i’m just enjoying the video and then suddenly *boom* random hate for 13
Nah, just Diodati
@@SamyulDavis i will be 90 and screaming “villa is the best 13 episode out there” at the care home nurses, my opinion is unchanged. 10/10, simply.
@@william...1 If it helps, the joke was all my idea. I like the episode well enough (tho not rewatched it since it aired) I just thought that speech was a bit clunky.
Ayyy early (2nd comment...) NOW GIVE ME FACTS AND TALK ABOUT ROLAND RAT!
Early/ 1st